Speaker 1: As media hood politics with PRIB.
Speaker 2: What I did plan on talking about today, first of
Speaker 2: all is as you can see, I have rearranged the room.
Speaker 2: We got the coffee and the records. Those are most
Speaker 2: of those records are DJ effect. Those records rest in
Speaker 2: peace to the Kilipino, to b boy Penoy. If you
Speaker 2: know me, you see me rap, you've seen him. I
Speaker 2: had a very fun episode set up where we were
Speaker 2: just going to pretty much make fun of the bromance
Speaker 2: of Trumpet Elon and then get a little serious about
Speaker 2: the One Big Beautiful Bill, which still annoys me that
Speaker 2: it's called that. No, the Big Beautiful Bill Act. That
Speaker 2: still annoys me. Why do you put act at the end. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we was gonna talk about that and the pretzel the
Speaker 2: Republicans got to turn themselves into, and how there's trouble
Speaker 2: in paradise among him. Y'all in road checks that your
Speaker 2: booty can't cash. You feel me, y'all in cash the
Speaker 2: in favors and they had a lot of interest, didn't they.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what.
Speaker 2: That's this, this what the hood trying to tell you.
Speaker 2: You think that Og taking care of you when he
Speaker 2: do you a favor? That favor come with interest, and
Speaker 2: this is what the Republicans experience and you experiencing that interest. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I can't talk about that because the National Guards in
Speaker 2: our streets. So that meant that I needed to fast
Speaker 2: forward an episode I wanted to do with the homeboy
Speaker 2: q Uh, who you will meet as soon as this
Speaker 2: intro's over. But I'm gonna let him speak for himself
Speaker 2: to live and die in l A. All right, theod
Speaker 2: politics with prop as promised again. This artist to activist
Speaker 2: pipeline is something that's really real. I've mentioned the hemmy
Speaker 2: ce before so many times on the show about like
Speaker 2: just the reality of like some people really doing it
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of talkie talkie, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, but like to really like put you your body,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, your future, your livelihood really
Speaker 2: in it to action. You know what I'm saying, is
Speaker 2: very rare to see. So pastor Q, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: What's up, man, man man, Thanks for having me, Thanks
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the space you dig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we me and be and pasted. Q go way back,
Speaker 2: so like way back. So this is like this is
Speaker 2: like a real friendship. So what I'm gonna do for
Speaker 2: the show is a little bit of ces background, what
Speaker 2: he been doing and what we got planned.
Speaker 1: Now as y'all know right now, like.
Speaker 2: If you're in an activist space, you real busy right
Speaker 2: about now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So we ain't gonna waste
Speaker 1: que time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Understatement, understatement, I'm on and like we actually on our
Speaker 2: way to the same event after this is over, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So we go, We're gonna not
Speaker 2: waste Yeah, we ain't gonna waste nobody time.
Speaker 1: Uh, and get to an in.
Speaker 2: Then on top of that, like the reality is like
Speaker 2: on top of this just freaking military invasion we're facing
Speaker 2: like I still gotta go to my aunt ethel house
Speaker 2: and installed a sink, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: like real life is happening. Wow, this is still going on.
Speaker 2: That's the reality of like really living in.
Speaker 1: Like activist spaces.
Speaker 2: It's like You've still gotta go check on Auntie and them,
Speaker 2: like while.
Speaker 1: You still got to moms.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So first of all, Q, introduce yourself,
Speaker 2: tell them a little bit about what you do.
Speaker 4: Man, we'll go back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so Pastor Q pastor of the
Speaker 3: Church with Our Walls in skid Row, being doing that
Speaker 3: for about eighteen years. In August, it'll be nineteen years
Speaker 3: since we've been on the block. And when we say
Speaker 3: Church with our Walls, it's literally Church with our walls, right,
Speaker 3: without the physical walls, and without the political walls, and
Speaker 3: without all of the other walls that come with church
Speaker 3: right in terms of structure and all of that. I'm
Speaker 3: also founder and director. I'm founder of the Church with
Speaker 3: Our Walls. I'm also founder and director of Creating Justice LA,
Speaker 3: a space where we create justice through creative expressions. Some
Speaker 3: of our creative expressions are the hip hop smoothie shop,
Speaker 3: a work on cooperative skid Row Coffee. We just acquired
Speaker 3: a convenience stool on the corner of Fifth and Saint
Speaker 3: Pedro in skid Row because you know, uh, it's a
Speaker 3: social enterprise and we don't want to just rely on
Speaker 3: donations to do the transformative work that we're trying to
Speaker 3: do in the skid Row, so we got to bring
Speaker 3: in our own revenue. We we We've got about twenty
Speaker 3: people on the staff between both organizations, uh, and most
Speaker 3: most of the folks are skied row residents or live
Speaker 3: within the context of skid row, or whether they're poor folks,
Speaker 3: or whether they're folks who are under employed and all
Speaker 3: of that stuff. So we try to really stand in
Speaker 3: the groove right and standing be the go between the
Speaker 3: kind of help people sort they're gonna fall through the cracks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See this why this why I don't ever want to
Speaker 2: hear it from the news or any politician about the
Speaker 2: houseless quote unquote crisis in LA because I know people
Speaker 2: like you. You know, I'm like, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 2: pull pull back and I'm just run the highlight or
Speaker 2: over the things you just said right now, Like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, for eighteen years, there has
Speaker 2: been a church. They're not a church that serves skid
Speaker 2: road that go back to the now the church that
Speaker 2: got uh come on, you understand I'm saying that got
Speaker 2: a budget for drive by, the drive by the drive by.
Speaker 2: Nah Maam, Like we live here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's literally on a corner. And I had it in
Speaker 2: my notes to talk about the convenience store. But but
Speaker 2: before I even get to that, he's like the man said, look,
Speaker 2: we got a smoothie movie spot. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like when you say fifth in San Pedro, unless you're
Speaker 2: really from here, like I mean, people don't.
Speaker 1: People don't even people don't even want.
Speaker 2: To obeta stop signs when you get down to fifth
Speaker 2: and six of San Pedro, you're trying to well do that.
Speaker 3: It's not that they don't want to obeta stop side,
Speaker 3: they don't obey the.
Speaker 1: Stop right, you know what I'm saying that, Like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get out of here.
Speaker 3: You know, the whole idea you could row in that
Speaker 3: community in that area is kind of like walking from
Speaker 3: your living room to the kitchen or to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it's like your house.
Speaker 1: It's the house like.
Speaker 4: Op out doors. So people have that state mentality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you said that. It's like we
Speaker 2: live here. There just happened to be a street going
Speaker 2: through our life like you know, and uh right, so
Speaker 2: they like.
Speaker 1: And this isn't like I love it.
Speaker 2: This ain't no no dumb ass rapper coming down there
Speaker 2: and handing out merch you can't sell, you know, like,
Speaker 2: no fool, like.
Speaker 1: We're we really here.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, like like like one of you, one
Speaker 3: like a famous rapper, came down and dropped off all
Speaker 3: the White Lives Matter T shirt he.
Speaker 1: Didn't want, they said, off.
Speaker 4: To the community. We had to call him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel me, like when it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, like now we really here, you know.
Speaker 4: And yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the convenience store, I know, something unique just happened,
Speaker 2: like it just got passed into black owners, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For thirty years it was owned by a Korean couple
Speaker 3: and a Korean family and Danny Parks, you know, shout
Speaker 3: out to Danny, who you know has been part of
Speaker 3: creating justices on our board of directors.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 3: His family turned the business over to him, I think
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, one of those and he
Speaker 3: called me one day and said, hey, you know, I
Speaker 3: I'm tired. I don't want to do this anymore. My pops,
Speaker 3: you know, died from, you know, the stress of running
Speaker 3: this business. My uncle died from the stress of running
Speaker 3: you know, this business. And I don't want to end
Speaker 3: up the same way. So I want to sell the market.
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, so I'm gonna help you sell
Speaker 3: the market. And then he goes but there's a catch.
Speaker 3: I want to sell it to. I want to sell
Speaker 3: it to a black a black family, a black person,
Speaker 3: or a black led organization. Really and then when I
Speaker 3: asked him why, he was like, because you know, our family,
Speaker 3: we were able to buy a house through this through
Speaker 3: this market, and we were able to send our our
Speaker 3: our family was able to send out, you know, us
Speaker 3: kids to school and so uh. And this community is
Speaker 3: predominantly black, so we want to get back to the community.
Speaker 3: And so we decided as our nonprofit to purchase it, uh,
Speaker 3: to kind of keep the dollars recycling in the community.
Speaker 3: When you talk about recycling dollars, we hear a lot
Speaker 3: about that. It's a nonprofit, so their social enterprise. So
Speaker 3: therefore there's no ceo going taking home a whole lot
Speaker 3: of money and all of that. The money is truly
Speaker 3: recycled in the community, and the people who work there
Speaker 3: oftentimes shopped there.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And the money recycled a couple of times just in
Speaker 3: that store alone.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: No, Now, I call everything you were saying about like
Speaker 2: recite you know, money staying in the community, and really
Speaker 2: like this idea of like this is the camaraderie. I
Speaker 2: feel like that don't. We don't won't get a lot
Speaker 2: of credit for is this this idea of this this
Speaker 2: this Korean man because you know, like like while maybe
Speaker 2: maybe their aunts and uncles were the ones that was
Speaker 2: on the top of the convenience store shooting at us
Speaker 2: at the riots, they kids was outside with us, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like they kids was at poject
Speaker 2: blow with us. You know what I'm say. Their kids
Speaker 2: was in the same holding tanks and detention centers and
Speaker 2: after school programs.
Speaker 1: You was in the same programs with us.
Speaker 2: So as we've grown up, we was like, well, look
Speaker 2: that was mom and them, Like we're we grew up
Speaker 2: with you, you know, so it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, yeah, creating justice man.
Speaker 3: We got a book club, right and years ago, way
Speaker 3: back then, you know, he had the book club and
Speaker 3: we were going through a book by Richard Rosstein called
Speaker 3: The Color of Law and it's about how you know,
Speaker 3: redline in the United States and also covers here in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. And Danny was part of that book club,
Speaker 3: right because he's been part of our our board and whatever,
Speaker 3: and then he was part of that book club. So
Speaker 3: a lot of just the development of relationship, the cultivation
Speaker 3: of relationship, right, the planting of seeds and water and
Speaker 3: those relationship And nobody had any any ulterior motives.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna roll with
Speaker 3: Danny and then one day I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
Speaker 3: him to purchase his store. I didn't even know that
Speaker 3: was gonna happen, right, Uh. And at the time, I
Speaker 3: didn't even know he had owned the grocery store, right, Uh,
Speaker 3: it would. We were just coming into that relationship and
Speaker 3: so uh. Yeah, man, it was a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3: I like to say, how God moves uh in ways
Speaker 3: that people don't expect. Right, It's not in the structure
Speaker 3: of a church and all of that, But that's real
Speaker 3: church stuff happening, because we know that the word church
Speaker 3: was really, uh a secular word that Jesus had borrowed,
Speaker 3: uh to kind of describe going to a community meeting
Speaker 3: and getting ready to engage in the community, in the
Speaker 3: governing of the community and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, look you're dropping gyms already. Yeah, civic engagement, right, engagement.
Speaker 2: So let me back up real quick on your story.
Speaker 2: You are a legendary rapper.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm legendary.
Speaker 2: So real quick, just talk about the college boys era,
Speaker 2: just real quick, you know, hip hop og og, Like
Speaker 2: y'all do understand, like this is og right here, talk
Speaker 2: about it a little bit and then we're gonna move
Speaker 2: into what we're doing now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, So I think you know, just like anybody's story, right,
Speaker 3: I was born in the Caribbean and then uh moved
Speaker 3: to Saint cor which is the Virgin Islands, and then
Speaker 3: ended up in Texas culture shot, but went to high
Speaker 3: school there, right, and then after high school linked up
Speaker 3: with some other cats who was still in high school,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, and started Actually I was a competitive
Speaker 3: I was just getting into bodybuilding and I.
Speaker 4: Was actually their security. Uh.
Speaker 3: When we go do hip hop battles at a club
Speaker 3: in Houston called the Ryanstone Wrangler, because I talk to him.
Speaker 4: I lived about twenty miles east of Houston, right.
Speaker 3: And we had all kinds of battles with with the
Speaker 3: ghetto boys and everything like that, and we out of
Speaker 3: twenty battle we lost only two, right, Because we would
Speaker 3: do that switch rapping back in the day, that's og
Speaker 3: stuff that a lot of these guys don't know about, right,
Speaker 3: but OG's and you know, just doing stuff. Ended up
Speaker 3: signing would wrap a lot records. We made a name
Speaker 3: for ourselves, and before that, we made a name for
Speaker 3: ourselves at KTSU, which is Southern Christian University in Texas, right,
Speaker 3: And so you know, we made our name through the
Speaker 3: college ranks, and that's why we changed our name to
Speaker 3: the College Boys back in those days. And then in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine moved to California to get a record deal.
Speaker 3: One year later we signed to Virgin Records, and it
Speaker 3: was to a relationship we had with a brother named
Speaker 3: John John Brown. We ended up writing lyrics for Paul
Speaker 3: Abdulz scat Cat the.
Speaker 4: Track you know what I mean? So yeah, all of
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah y'all, y'all, did y'all hear what he just said?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 1: Come on fam status?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, and and and and our first
Speaker 3: record was called Victim of the Ghetto, right, it was
Speaker 3: always hit record. Uh And and funny thing is that
Speaker 3: record actually was about my life in particular, right because
Speaker 3: I was the one who was a neighborhood pharmaceutical dealer. Right,
Speaker 3: come on, man, got to clean it up for them
Speaker 3: if they catch it, if you know, you.
Speaker 4: Know right, get it.
Speaker 3: So I always had that entrepreneurship spirit man, and and
Speaker 3: wanted to be a hip hop mobile. We used to
Speaker 3: do our own shows in Texas. We made our own way.
Speaker 3: There was no social media. We would rent the fireman's
Speaker 3: hall and throw all of these these get downs right,
Speaker 3: and really saved enough money to move to California. And
Speaker 3: like I said, a lot of people come to Cali
Speaker 3: and they never make it right. God bless their soul,
Speaker 3: because you know, I feel it when people have the
Speaker 3: hunger to make something up themselves but it doesn't work out.
Speaker 3: So I feel for those but we were we were
Speaker 3: blessed to be able to do that within one year
Speaker 3: after we got here.
Speaker 4: In the rest of history, that's tope.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I feel like you even you even hit the nail
Speaker 2: on the head moving into like what's going on right now,
Speaker 2: which is like the thing about coming to California, Like
Speaker 2: y'all this outside perception of just like these transplants with
Speaker 2: you know, their yoga pants and their erawon, you know,
Speaker 2: smoothies that they think we soft right, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: so I'm like even obviously us born and raised here
Speaker 2: like we're already like, well, you're not talking about us,
Speaker 2: Like we know you're not talking about us. But but
Speaker 2: the grit it takes to get here and stay, whether
Speaker 2: it's like in an entertainment space or even in an
Speaker 2: immigrant situation, like it's really.
Speaker 1: It's really, really, really hard. So you have to understand.
Speaker 2: I'm even going back to like Great migration, like you
Speaker 2: if you if you you know, if you was a
Speaker 2: black person from Texas or you know, Oklahoma, Arkansas, like
Speaker 2: that's like the trajectory like of the Great Migration, like
Speaker 2: you know, if you was further east, they went north,
Speaker 2: like but from Texas and west.
Speaker 1: So most of us are like are are our roots?
Speaker 1: Are our Texas?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Uh? We different?
Speaker 2: Like we're like listen, I'm not gonna stay up under this,
Speaker 2: Jim Crow. You're not finna like you're not gonna treat.
Speaker 1: Us like this. You under said what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So then to get here, which was my granny in
Speaker 2: them story, to get here and then be dropped right
Speaker 2: in the in the middle of Watts and then to
Speaker 2: have like that that that racist police brutality happened in
Speaker 2: It's like no, man, we just now we just left this.
Speaker 1: You're not finna do this to us.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I grew up listening to stuff like
Speaker 3: I'd rather be a free man than Mike Eve than
Speaker 3: living as a puppet on sleeve.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Come on, see, we build different NATO community. You gotta
Speaker 2: understand these, these the zootsuit rioters where it's just like these,
Speaker 2: the brown berets, like you're not feel like even our
Speaker 2: queer community like we not.
Speaker 1: You don't play with us like this. It's already hard
Speaker 1: enough to be here.
Speaker 2: You instead, I'm saying so like and to quote and
Speaker 2: to quote one of our patron saints, like we might
Speaker 2: fight amongst each other.
Speaker 1: I promise you this. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: promise you this, bro.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You feel you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Yeah, I mean it kind of reminds me
Speaker 3: of of the Joint, right where my man says, I
Speaker 3: think it is a Jacob. He says, you mad because
Speaker 3: the city's on fire, but you quiet when my.
Speaker 2: People die, right exactly, I don't want to hear, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear nothing about I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear nothing about the National Guard. Right when y'all
Speaker 2: are when the Jay January six folks, y'all to the
Speaker 2: actual capital, Like you said, like we're we're literally defending
Speaker 2: our aunties and uncles.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the things too, we we gotta also remember
Speaker 3: is that they no longer control. There's no more there's
Speaker 3: no more just a couple of great, huge media companies
Speaker 3: controlling the narrative. As much as I hate social media oftentimes, uh,
Speaker 3: there's also a good thing about social media is that
Speaker 3: we become.
Speaker 4: Our own citizens media, right, Uh.
Speaker 3: And we get to also and they say certain things
Speaker 3: or they push certain narratives, we get to push back
Speaker 3: against their narratives.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And we got people who are following us and different
Speaker 3: folks and all of that, so we get to create
Speaker 3: our own echo echo chambers to actually combat what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Back in the days, we couldn't do that because they
Speaker 3: owned all the media facts.
Speaker 2: I know, anytime I'm outside, whenever there's a mass, you know,
Speaker 2: organization organizing to resist, I always run into you, which
Speaker 2: is like it's always been, which is why can't nobody
Speaker 2: tell me nothing about what you're doing over there? Because
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I I know when I go I
Speaker 2: see it you know what I'm saying. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people I don't see.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But now, granted it might be hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: people outside, but you still kind of like are you
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, bro, Like I check to your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Don't nobody know you? You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: like you feel me?
Speaker 2: Like here, I can always say, no matter what the
Speaker 2: cause was, which is what I like, what really resonates
Speaker 2: with you where it's not just a Black Lives Matter thing.
Speaker 1: It's not just the homes thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's where, it's it's gaza, it's you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, It's all kind of stuff. And right now,
Speaker 2: you know, our immigrant brothers and sisters are the ones
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, kind of leading leading away. So
Speaker 2: we like, all right, let's go where we're going. What's
Speaker 2: the link, you know, Let's go on a mission. So
Speaker 2: like yesterday was one of the Today's Monday of this week,
Speaker 2: this is gonna drop with his day, Yesterday was one
Speaker 2: of the more intense confrontations. So from what I know
Speaker 2: and see is what we saw in twenty twenty and
Speaker 2: what we saw in ninety two with the riots, which
Speaker 2: was we were not the aggressors, right, you know, the
Speaker 2: aggressors were the military force, right, So was that your
Speaker 2: experience too?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man, Well when you look at what happened this weekend, right,
Speaker 3: we know that Donald Trump has a plan, right, and
Speaker 3: we know his plan is to escalate. Everybody knows if
Speaker 3: you can see it coming. He wants martial law. He
Speaker 3: hates California because California didn't vote for him, and we
Speaker 3: resist him and we don't like him, and he knows that,
Speaker 3: and he loves to be liked.
Speaker 4: So what he did was.
Speaker 3: And things escalated, was that I started you know, throwing,
Speaker 3: you know, gassing people, right, yeah, And that's violent. You
Speaker 3: might call it non lethal, but it's still violent, right Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then when you go into an elementary school and
Speaker 3: you're trying to break up an elementary school graduation, that's violence.
Speaker 4: On top of that, Prior to that, prior to.
Speaker 3: All of this, you already went into a school or
Speaker 3: went into a facility and deported or home and deported
Speaker 3: you know, a child who was going through cancer treatment,
Speaker 3: so you don't care if she dies or not, and
Speaker 3: you deport her while she's going through cancer treatment for
Speaker 3: brain for brain cancer. Come on, man, you already violent.
Speaker 3: You have already violated the code. You already went over
Speaker 3: the line. So I want nobody talking about, well they
Speaker 3: burning this day, burning that, whatever, whatever. Hey, if you
Speaker 3: are not going to speak up against that type of violence,
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear you talking about your stuff
Speaker 3: and your property that's burning because human life, human life
Speaker 3: is more important than property. I'm not going to run
Speaker 3: around burning property. But at the same time, I understand
Speaker 3: right why people would do it. Doctor King said, what
Speaker 3: riots are the voice of being heard? And I really
Speaker 3: don't call them riots. I call them uprisings. Except for
Speaker 3: January sixth.
Speaker 4: That was a riot.
Speaker 1: That riots, Yes, you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. They were like, we want power even
Speaker 3: though we lost, we want to take it by force.
Speaker 4: Love.
Speaker 1: We don't o this.
Speaker 4: Boy, something happened in a spirit. Oh, I was having.
Speaker 5: Preach when I came to deliver discusses today to the
Speaker 5: spirit of a race that's into White House, told kill
Speaker 5: me since in spirit for warf ben.
Speaker 1: I h Then I'm gonna praak for breaks at all.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna preak, so I'm gonna put up my famers
Speaker 6: from food. From the end of my se people were
Speaker 6: a plenty were like lies, you have me know.
Speaker 4: That? And p.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean you you nail so many things
Speaker 2: because first of all, like the reality is a lot
Speaker 2: of these cases these people like you're disincentivizing these people
Speaker 2: to follow the rules because especially that cancer treatment person,
Speaker 2: like they applied to all the paperwork, like we did
Speaker 2: the paperwork. If you tell me, I have you tell
Speaker 2: me I need to follow the rules. Okay, So I
Speaker 2: set a court date and I go to the immigration
Speaker 2: office and you arrest me.
Speaker 4: But it's a child.
Speaker 1: It's a child.
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying, it's an elementary age child. They
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you got laws, there's a greater
Speaker 3: law that operates with thins you.
Speaker 4: That's why the scripture says.
Speaker 3: I no longer want you to put, you know, the
Speaker 3: law on a wall in school, on stones or whatever.
Speaker 4: I need it on your heart.
Speaker 1: I need it on your heart.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like I'm just saying, even just from
Speaker 2: a practical standpoint. So what you're telling me is don't
Speaker 2: go to my don't go to court. What you're telling
Speaker 2: me is don't show up. That's what you're telling me
Speaker 2: like I tried to follow the rules, and when I did,
Speaker 2: you still arrest me.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna not
Speaker 1: follow them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like that'll make it like and.
Speaker 2: And then going back to your violence point. On one
Speaker 2: of the other shows on our network, it's called Weird
Speaker 2: Little Guys. It's a great show. It's just about like
Speaker 2: how it turns out a lot of these uh right
Speaker 2: wing extremists in our country turns out to just be
Speaker 2: just weird little guys, you know what I'm saying, once
Speaker 2: you get into who they are. But on that show,
Speaker 2: Molly talked about the case of Dishaunte and Pinder, which
Speaker 2: is essentially it stood up in in court many times
Speaker 2: that the police really have no obligation to protect us,
Speaker 2: like like if they don't have to get in the
Speaker 2: line of they don't have to. Matter of fact, like
Speaker 2: the only their only obligation is if they we are
Speaker 2: in their custody or to protect us from danger. Is
Speaker 2: if we are in their custody, or if they set
Speaker 2: up the problem. But if there's a riot going on,
Speaker 2: especially like right now, Like so if if if Trump
Speaker 2: flew to National Guard down here, right, and then they're
Speaker 2: clashing with us. The police don't have to intervene, no,
Speaker 2: because they're like, well we didn't cause we didn't cause this, right,
Speaker 2: So not only did the feds bring the violence, the
Speaker 2: LAPD has no obligation to stop it.
Speaker 3: Well, but but but look at what they did do though, right,
Speaker 3: we have to check out their actions right now, what
Speaker 3: they say, but the actions.
Speaker 4: We're supposed to be a sanctuary city, and what did they.
Speaker 3: Do LAPD even last night was tear gasing and shooting
Speaker 3: rubber bullets at protesters. I thought we were a sanctuary city.
Speaker 3: And what are you doing helping the federal forces. You're
Speaker 3: supposed to be protecting the people from the federal forces.
Speaker 2: Which for and what's crazy is like the tradition for
Speaker 2: la has been say what you want about the LAPD.
Speaker 1: They are a gang, they are violent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the traditions and all of them, all of them, right,
Speaker 2: But the tradition has always been, but we don't really
Speaker 2: get into the immigration thing because we can't do our
Speaker 2: job if you're afraid to talk to us because you
Speaker 2: think you're going to get deported. So the tradition has
Speaker 2: always been like, oh yeah, now we don't won't enforce
Speaker 2: none of that. And then finally I saw today the
Speaker 2: city of Glendale said, all right, we're going to we're
Speaker 2: going to terminate our deal with US Borders Customs. They said,
Speaker 2: They're like, they're like, we're not going to do it.
Speaker 2: We don't we don't want to work with y'all. No more,
Speaker 2: y'all keep y'all money. We don't want our contract with
Speaker 2: ICE anymore. You cannot have a detention center here. So
Speaker 2: it's like that's great, Like Glendale was like, did what
Speaker 2: they said? It's like, you know what, we don't need this.
Speaker 2: We don't need this, this y'all's issue. We don't agree
Speaker 2: with it, we don't believe in it.
Speaker 1: This y'all's issue.
Speaker 2: Not to mention, which is a different narrative here we
Speaker 2: could talk about later, but like, well, Glendale's Armenian, right,
Speaker 2: the city Armenia. And I'm like, and they they're different,
Speaker 2: they are different.
Speaker 1: They're different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because because what about the guy who makes
Speaker 3: our record check Check. I used to say, call him,
Speaker 3: we used to call him check from the Armenian Project. Yeah,
Speaker 3: matter because he because he makes some ice cubes records
Speaker 3: and everything, but he also makes our record.
Speaker 4: He's in Glendale and.
Speaker 1: They don't they they different like fam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's move into what we're doing July third,
Speaker 2: you know, because again I want to hold you to
Speaker 2: a third.
Speaker 4: Is. The is, The is the Moses to get out.
Speaker 3: So you know, we can't give we can't get too
Speaker 3: much details on it because we know that they listening
Speaker 3: to us. We know that they got us under surveillance, right,
Speaker 3: we know they got volunteer and all of that stuff,
Speaker 3: all that stuff that they use to you know, the
Speaker 3: whole cointelpro and all of that stuff. So we know
Speaker 3: they listening. But on July third, we want folks to
Speaker 3: save the day because on July third, we're doing what's
Speaker 3: called the Freedom Cruise and Rally, and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: h It's called death Justice. Death stands for uh, kind
Speaker 3: of like death jams, so it stands for diversity, equity,
Speaker 3: and freedom. So it's the Freedom Cruise and Rally. Uh,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna shut ish down right.
Speaker 4: Uh. You know what I mean. You know it's a cruise.
Speaker 3: It's happening somewhere in in Los Angeles County, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3: I think we got a couple of car clubs that
Speaker 3: are on deck. We got artists who're gonna be on deck. Uh,
Speaker 3: prop gonna be on deck. Right, we got some stuff happening.
Speaker 3: We already got some folks from some of the unions
Speaker 3: or who are gonna.
Speaker 4: Be on deck.
Speaker 3: And and yeah, man, if you got a car and
Speaker 3: you got an issue you care about, we say, bring
Speaker 3: your car and bring your issues.
Speaker 4: UH. July third some of the demands we have.
Speaker 3: By the way, you can guess why we chose July third,
Speaker 3: because you know, we know fourth of July ain't really
Speaker 3: uh and meant for all of us uh. And they yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so what we and so on July third, when we
Speaker 3: we some of our demands. Of that, California gives sends
Speaker 3: over six hundred billion dollars to UH, to the federal government,
Speaker 3: and we spent we we only received. We we received
Speaker 3: eighty billion less than what we send them. So basically,
Speaker 3: we were sending them an additional eighty billion dollars and
Speaker 3: a lot of that money goes to Red states and
Speaker 3: supporting welfare and all of that other stuff. Right, they
Speaker 3: hate California, but they love our money. We know we
Speaker 3: got the fourth largest economy in the world. Right, that
Speaker 3: just happened not too long ago.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: We are calling on the governor to actually not push
Speaker 3: back against the Trump administration because they started it. So, hey,
Speaker 3: let's not Let's let's find a way not to send
Speaker 3: them that eighty billion dollars. Right, let's wit hold that
Speaker 3: eighty billion dollars. If you all want to play, if
Speaker 3: you want to take it to court, let's go to court.
Speaker 4: Let's do what we got to do. Right, That's what
Speaker 4: it demands. The right demand is that The other.
Speaker 3: Demand is that ICE must unmask, Right, they must unmask.
Speaker 3: You can't come into our communities like gangsters. We don't
Speaker 3: know who you are. We can't prove who you are.
Speaker 3: It's unsafe for our community. Get out of our community unmasked.
Speaker 3: The third and the third heard uh demand is to
Speaker 3: abolish ICE. Those are national Uh. The eighty billion is
Speaker 3: sort of a state strategy. The abolish ICE obviously is
Speaker 3: a national strategy.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And the last demand is to impeach Donald Trump. Impeach
Speaker 3: the president. Right, So that's our demands and and uh,
Speaker 3: part of our and and the follow up is that
Speaker 3: we are trying to divest from plantation capitalism and reinvest
Speaker 3: back into local communities like some of the stuff we're
Speaker 3: doing in Skid Role. We talked about the market and
Speaker 3: all of that. We ought to be doing that in Chinatown.
Speaker 3: We ought to be doing that. In Korea Time, we
Speaker 3: ought to be doing that. In Little Tokyo, we ought
Speaker 3: to be doing that in Ball Heights. Come on, man Compton, Lynnwood, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean Watts wherever.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: We need to We need to start focusing away from
Speaker 3: these corporations and were already taking down Tesla. They're going
Speaker 3: down hard right now, and Walk and Target is going now.
Speaker 3: We need to continue to keep that going. Uh, and
Speaker 3: not just strife, but we need to actually start diverting
Speaker 3: resources from these organizations.
Speaker 2: Some notes about ice. A few things that are older
Speaker 2: than ice. So when we talk about abolishing it, so uh,
Speaker 2: the song Skater Boy by Avril Levine, Okay, that's older
Speaker 2: than ice, right, mister.
Speaker 1: Elliotts, if it's worth it, let me work it. That
Speaker 1: song is older than ice.
Speaker 4: Exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2: HoTT in Her, Yeah, hotten Here by Nell Nellie. Nelly's
Speaker 2: song hot in Here is older than ice. So you
Speaker 2: can't tell me. This is an institution, a long standing
Speaker 2: and these things. These songs are older than Ice exact,
Speaker 2: so like don't don't tell me and don't tell me
Speaker 2: you can't do it. But I wanted to also put
Speaker 2: a put a put a pin on one of the
Speaker 2: demands when you were saying, well, why don't we just
Speaker 2: withhold funds because I'm like, that's what Trump says all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: You don't do this, we won't send you the federal money. Okay.
Speaker 3: It's just is just a pushback for him for what
Speaker 3: he's talking about, right like okay.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, word is that that is that?
Speaker 3: The game?
Speaker 1: Is that the play?
Speaker 2: Look, you made the rules, you said that's the play.
Speaker 2: You said you ain't gonna send the money.
Speaker 1: Okay, work, then we won't send the money exactly exact exactly.
Speaker 4: They need the money money more than we do.
Speaker 1: Trust facts.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, man, we say all the time like
Speaker 2: like bru a lot of times, like man, you tell me,
Speaker 2: you told me what it was. You know, I came
Speaker 2: in here with just like in this protest, like we
Speaker 2: came in here being like following all the rules telling
Speaker 2: you because we understand we don't done through We didn't
Speaker 2: been through this before.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying we know the rules. We
Speaker 1: know to stay across the street.
Speaker 4: We know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, we know all these
Speaker 1: rules right and it's on now.
Speaker 2: I'm saying like, yeah, qute, drop all the like ways
Speaker 2: for which the audience can stay in contact with you
Speaker 2: with y'all. I get asked all the time like what
Speaker 2: are the what are the outlets you can you could
Speaker 2: check on? That's gonna give you that real rap. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, You're one of the ones l
Speaker 2: a Taco. There is like a big one that like
Speaker 2: no doubt, no outside and they real you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, So like, how can people stay in contact
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Most definitely create on IG, create Justice underscore, Create Justice
Speaker 3: Underscore on IG, our website creating Justice dot la. On email,
Speaker 3: you can hit me at q that is CUI at
Speaker 3: Creating Justice dot l a q at Creating Justice dot La.
Speaker 4: That's three ways you can reach me.
Speaker 3: I gave you the email, I gave you the IG,
Speaker 3: and I gave you the website.
Speaker 4: So hit us.
Speaker 3: You know, we got a whole lot of other stuff,
Speaker 3: but if you can catch me on one of those,
Speaker 3: you know you can get the rest of the stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you're in the city, like and you going
Speaker 2: to any of these things, you going see you gonna
Speaker 2: see Q right here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And we opened.
Speaker 3: We also got a Piece and Hilling Center in schedule
Speaker 3: one sixteen East fifth Street on the Nickel And so
Speaker 3: we uh, we definitely opened today for protesters and folks
Speaker 3: who are on the street who want to refresh or
Speaker 3: regroup or whatever.
Speaker 4: Come through the Piece and Hilling Center.
Speaker 3: Get you something to drink, cool out for a minute
Speaker 3: in the in the ac do you know, do what
Speaker 3: you gotta do before you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: That's man, that's right. Look you you no use to
Speaker 2: us exhausted, you know. Yeah yeah, So like people always
Speaker 2: ask me, like how do I how do I stay balanced?
Speaker 4: How do this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm no use to the movement if I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, get your food, take care of yourself.
Speaker 4: You gotta take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2: Man, to take care of yourselves. Yeah, all right, you
Speaker 2: appreciate you, man, appreciate your time. I'm gonna see you
Speaker 2: in about an hour.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It is yeah, having me man, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
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