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Speaker 1: Levels to.

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Speaker 2: This is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, what's going on. It's your girl, Trerika Foster Brass.

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Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Its Shagirl Cheryl Boobs.

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Speaker 3: Hey, And this is the levels to this podcast. This

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Speaker 3: is the show where we talk about all of the

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Speaker 3: levels of the ship that women go through. And we

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Speaker 3: are truly going to have a fun and controversial show

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Speaker 3: today because not us, we're gonna be I mean, we

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Speaker 3: not controversial with me.

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Speaker 4: Well maybe, I guess it depends on who you ask.

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Speaker 4: Oh excuse me. I just had to sneeze in the

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Speaker 4: middle of my intro.

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Speaker 3: That's that's how you know this is a real ass show,

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Speaker 3: because don't edit that out.

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Speaker 4: Just y'all better say bless me when y'all listen to

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Speaker 4: this show.

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Speaker 2: I said, God's blessure U s fordid, thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: I love you.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a cute snaecee too.

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Speaker 4: I was trying to talk through it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know my sages are like, oh.

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Speaker 3: I got a lot of because I was aware, I

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Speaker 3: knew what was happening, and I was trying to stop it.

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Speaker 3: Like it's very different catch me five drinks in that

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Speaker 3: sneeze would have rocked this whole neighborhood. But that has said,

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Speaker 3: we are very excited about everything that has been going

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Speaker 3: on around women's basketball, around sports, but we also have

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Speaker 3: got to remember that there are things happening in the

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Speaker 3: world outside of the realm of sports, and so I

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Speaker 3: would be remiss to not begin the show just sending

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Speaker 3: my thoughts and prayers out to the families that were

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Speaker 3: affected by the mass shooting that took place in Minneapolis. Like,

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Speaker 3: we are just in a place of people being sickening

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Speaker 3: because I fear that most people are becoming so numb

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Speaker 3: And I hope that our listeners are not those kinds

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Speaker 3: of people, and that they truly see and understand the

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Speaker 3: heartbreak that these families are going through. So I know

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Speaker 3: sure all this affected you, but I just could not

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Speaker 3: start the show without sending some love and sending our

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Speaker 3: thoughts and prayers to those families.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a whole lot to add, because

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Speaker 2: you know, I cry at the drop of a dime

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Speaker 2: even when things aren't sad. But in this instance, you know,

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Speaker 2: and we talked about it, I just like it could

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Speaker 2: be any of us. And to your point, this happens

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Speaker 2: way too often, and I do feel like we've become

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Speaker 1: And I think for me, one.

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Speaker 2: Of the first thoughts I had was being a new

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Speaker 2: in any second. And I just want to echo what

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Speaker 1: Who was involved in the shooting.

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Speaker 2: I just want to send condolences and thoughts and prayers,

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Speaker 2: and we just we got to be better. We have

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Speaker 2: to be better. Just such a tragic, tragic, tragic.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we do have to be better. And just for

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to say, please.

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Speaker 4: Register to vote.

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Speaker 3: Lawmakers need to be held accountable for some of the

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Speaker 3: things that are happening as it relates to policy regarding

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Speaker 4: Gun you see all that good stuff. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I'm licensed to Carrie, So I am not that person

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Speaker 4: Your Second Amendment right to own a gun.

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Speaker 3: Listen, do what you do, what you feel it is

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Speaker 3: my political moment for the day. But other than that, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: how was your week good?

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, look lookt so, No, it was great.

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Speaker 1: Actually it was great. It was great. I was like,

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Speaker 2: And I'm saying it was great because I mean, I

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Speaker 2: Can you see this picture right here behind me, the

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Speaker 1: Me not in my comments uniform because I can't fit it.

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Speaker 2: But me in a jersey, maybe my Hall of Fame jersey,

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Speaker 2: holding my grandson. I just think they would something, Tee.

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Speaker 2: He has just I'm so in love. I'm so in love.

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Speaker 4: That I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole like renewed sense of love and protection

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Speaker 2: So I heard, yeah, you know what, I do love.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard this too because my mom did. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so two things. I'm trying not to be my mom

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Speaker 2: just do this, do that, don't hold him like this,

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Speaker 1: I do know, let me do it. And the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Is, so you asked me how it was my week,

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Speaker 2: those of you who can't see, I just went and said,

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Speaker 1: It's over. No hair, it's all gone, Tea.

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Speaker 2: Freeing for me to just go and cut like it's

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Speaker 1: And when I have all that damn hair on my head,

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Speaker 2: And now when I get the hot flashes, they're still bad,

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Speaker 3: And the air feels so your skin and on your hair,

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Speaker 4: Now, what the fuck? What's wrong with me? I cold

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Speaker 3: It is two degrees outside while I'm walking around Ballhead.

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Speaker 4: What is wrong with me?

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Speaker 1: You need hair in December?

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Speaker 4: I was like, Lord, I had I did not think

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Speaker 3: This expression of freedom comes with gloves, scarf and a

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Speaker 4: But no, I'm super proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me cry.

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Speaker 3: I am proud of you, Cheryl, because it is not

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Speaker 4: But you didn't let that like get you down.

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Speaker 3: You were like, you know what, I'm about to rock

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Speaker 4: And then you went from I'm gonna rock this.

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Speaker 3: Like that takes a level of strength to be that vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: Because at first I was just like, no, I'm going

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, no, it's hot. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: My husband.

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Speaker 2: My husband said this looks so good on you, and

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Speaker 2: And now I don't really give it what everybody else

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Speaker 3: That's like that support system is so it's so huge. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like there are people who will say all the time

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Speaker 3: but says, I truly understand you do what you're going through.

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Speaker 4: I know you do. You're gonna be all right.

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Speaker 1: But you just have to remind my husband of that.

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Speaker 2: I said, baby, Now, you do know when I when

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Speaker 1: That's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: But girl, hmm, I have my moments where I'm ball

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Speaker 4: It is what it is. And you right thread think

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Speaker 3: going to talk about on today's show, and as we

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have an MVP discussion, but maybe not the.

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Speaker 4: MVP discussion that you think.

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Speaker 3: But what you need to do is stick around because

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Speaker 3: Asia Wilson is Crackingheigs, Alyssa Thomas is cracking Higgs. We're

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Speaker 4: But Cheryl, you are a three time MVP.

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Speaker 3: Because because I need y'all to know, my girl won

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Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta tell the people like it is

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Speaker 3: It's okay, but that means that you know better than most,

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Speaker 2: It means like you were that bh. It means you

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Speaker 2: And here's what's a little not really hard, but here's

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Speaker 2: Personally, I would love, love, love to see at walk

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with ninety eight percent of what she did.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I won one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else played fifty.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is just because Fee played ten less

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Speaker 3: A year all of that, like all those there needs

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: First of all, people in the media space.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that was twenty three. Yeah, but she didn't

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Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent correct she didn't win.

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Speaker 2: But my pin point, the Aces had a great record

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Speaker 2: Either you just don't like you didn't like South Carolina,

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Speaker 4: U huh?

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Speaker 1: And yet here we are witnessing a player.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much game in and game out, that does it

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say it.

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Speaker 3: Alissa Thomas, just the woman has seven triple doubles this season.

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Speaker 1: She makes it look so easy.

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Speaker 3: She's nearly averaging She's averaging sixteen y nine.

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Speaker 3: Averaging a triple double out in Okay? See that's what

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Speaker 4: Don't piss me off.

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Speaker 2: So my question to you, as a voter, I'm not

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Speaker 4: I wish that I.

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Speaker 2: about the record. Let's not talk about the record because

445
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: Phoenix is playing pretty well.

446
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: Phoenix is playing well. She accounts for forty percent of

447
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: the triple doubles in the league in league history. There

448
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: have been fifty five triple doubles in league history, fifty

449
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: six last because if you count Jackie Young just got one,

450
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: so there's been fifty fifty six and Alyssa Thomas accounts

451
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: for twenty two of them.

452
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: This league is almost thirty years old.

453
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: She counts for forty percent of the triple doubles that

454
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: we have on the record books. That's insane. And I

455
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: said this before because I need people to understand how

456
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: truly difficult it he is to get a triple double

457
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: in the WNBA unlike the NBA, the WNBA plays forty minutes,

458
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: not forty eight. That typically means that the stat totals

459
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: are a little lower in the w NBA than in

460
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: the NBA because it's less time and she's still doing

461
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: this type of shit. It's crazy, and I don't understand.

462
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: There are so many other things. People don't like the

463
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: way she plays. They don't like that she's physical, They

464
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 3: think that she's aggressive, blah blah blah blah blah, And

465
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm just like, all of that is trash.

466
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: If you take her up off of Phoenix, they are

467
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 4: not where.

468
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: They are right now at all, at all.

469
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 4: They're not where they are.

470
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Can we also acknowledge the fact that she's doing this

471
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: ship with two torn labors, with.

472
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: Two torn resist They ain't had a three Can you

473
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: imagine if she has, if she still had that three

474
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: point shot that she had in Maryland.

475
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: There's no way, y'all.

476
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I ain't know I was gonna get

477
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: this heated, But.

478
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Put some respect on Alissa Thomas's name.

479
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely other thing.

480
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: She also defends one through five. Will you ask her

481
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: to guard? She's gonna guard the one, the two, the three,

482
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: the four and the five. Understandsmall defending the five and.

483
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: Will play the five. I'll do it in Connecticut.

484
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: I've seen this girl beat a how I've seen Alyssa

485
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: Beata Sinner backing up JJ, backing up.

486
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: Asia Like what A say her? She will play one through.

487
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Five t She's doing that with Phoenix.

488
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Phoenix has one big that really plays right, that really

489
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: plays Natasha mack right.

490
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: They have coloniey Brown.

491
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: But Colonie Brown brown that much, she doesn't play that

492
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: much at will go and defend. Eighteen is defending Asia Wilson.

493
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: Eighteen's defending John Quell Jones.

494
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: And she's leading the league in assists and she's a forward.

495
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: She's a forward leading the league in assists.

496
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just just so weet, we're clear.

497
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: She is fifteenth, fifteenth and scoring six in steals, third,

498
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: in rebounds first, and assists.

499
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: The numbers are where they are. It's so it's crazy.

500
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: To me because I will always make a case for

501
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Alissa Thomas. It will always be someone who deserves the

502
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: respects that she gets.

503
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: So ain't gonna never be no argument with me.

504
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: And when it comes to her being in an MVP conversation, right,

505
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: and then I always understand the case of Asia. You

506
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: mentioned it earlier. Asia Wilson been doing this since the

507
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: beginning of the seasons. This ain't no, Yes, this ain't new,

508
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: but absolutely yes, her team ain't do her no favors

509
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: right because no, they didn't play to help their MVP

510
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: be recognized in the way that they should have been.

511
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: But they are currently on a winds streak that would

512
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: not happen without twenty two.

513
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: It just would not exist without twenty two.

514
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: This woman helped her team go from eight to two

515
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: and the second team to clinch a playoff position. Like

516
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: there is absolutely no way you can deny the greatness

517
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: of Asia Wilson. You cannot deny it, and anybody that's

518
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: willing to do otherwise is ridiculous. You cannot deny it.

519
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: Just dropped another thirty and ten last week, like what

520
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: and now they got a week off and I don't know.

521
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes that can be a good thing or a bad thing.

522
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: It could be a good thing going into the playoffs

523
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: or headed into the last week of the season and

524
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: you get time to rest your body, But it also

525
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: could be this momentum that you got, you're putting a

526
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: pause on it, and you might not want to do

527
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: that right now, right, So let's hope and pray and

528
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: see which side of the coin this flips to. But

529
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: either way it goes, the Aces are not where they

530
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: are without Asia Wilson, and she has the numbers to

531
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: back it up, and she's been doing it all season long,

532
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: but her team didn't help her out, and now her

533
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: team is helping her out.

534
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: And you see the difference.

535
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: Listen the beginning of the season, I'll say ten games

536
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: into the season, because I was one of them, we

537
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: were having conversations or hearing people talk about, damn, the

538
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: Aces might not even make the playoffs this season. So

539
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: to your point, they went from possibly just the way

540
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: things look. They went from not being in the playoffs

541
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: almost to sitting in second place right now, behind.

542
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: The one and only Asia Wilson.

543
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: Yes, again, put some respect on Asia Wilson's name, period two.

544
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: Gotcha, got you?

545
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 3: And then when I go to Minnesota, yes famous ten games.

546
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: You know what she did when she came back two points.

547
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: First game back from injury. Who dies back? Fee?

548
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: You ain't want to ease into it, you said, I.

549
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: Wish y'all would y'all would forget about me?

550
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: Huh, yeah, right, And I would say this continues to

551
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: show because then to the point that you made earlier

552
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: before I make this point, the point that you made

553
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: earlier when you won MVP, your team was really good.

554
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: And what they're now saying with folks and those who

555
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: are criticizing the case for no FISA are saying, well,

556
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: how is she really MVP when she was absent for

557
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: those ten games, her team still won. Your team is

558
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: supposed to still win, like you are supposed to still win?

559
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: Like what do you mean this is the w NBA.

560
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: You ain't supposed to drop ten games because your stars out.

561
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: You're supposed to still win.

562
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: Like they're all prosy, they're all.

563
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: Prosa mente like that, that, to me is a very

564
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: invalid argument that her team still continue to win even

565
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: with her being out.

566
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: So what, that's what they're supposed to do.

567
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't make her any less of It.

568
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 3: Doesn't make her performances any less of an MVP, like

569
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, Like I don't I'm not using

570
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm not buying that, Like are they not allowed to

571
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: win without NAFISA? Like that don't make no sense to me,

572
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: because if that's what you're saying that they aren't supposed

573
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: to win without her, then that means your case for

574
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: Asia is invalid because they got her and wasn't winning.

575
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: So what are you saying, you.

576
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, like like like you can't have

577
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: it both ways, like figure it out. So with all

578
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: of that being said, I like the fact that Alisha

579
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: Gray and Kelsey Mitchell, I don't even want to say

580
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: for Elisha have entered the conversation because she's been someone

581
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: who I've mentioned in the MVP conversation from the beginning.

582
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Of the season.

583
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: Atlanta was a team that was barely in the playoffs

584
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: last year, and it almost has the same core at

585
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: least backcourt with Ryan Howard and Elisha Gray. And now

586
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: this team was sitting in second place, very firmly, like

587
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: a pure threat.

588
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: Walking to New York.

589
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: Smack them, walked into Vegas, smacked them like as earlier

590
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: in the season, Like they're not a joke, this is

591
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 3: not a fluke.

592
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: Atlanta is the truth, like they are for real and

593
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: a serious contender.

594
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: And Alisha Gray, who at some point this season had

595
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: to play without Ryan Howard, so you can't even be like, oh, well,

596
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: she played with Ryan when Ryan was full of bit

597
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: she got to whole that thing down by herself. BG

598
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: ain't been really giving her much to work with, so

599
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: you can't name her as being helpful. I'm gonna tell

600
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: you who've been helping her, Bree Jones and hold the horses, nas.

601
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Helman, come on, Na, come on, nas, come on sis.

602
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: This Atlanta team is the truth.

603
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: And so there are so many cases to be made

604
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: for all of these.

605
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: And without Jordan Canada, I just need to put that up.

606
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And without Jordan Canada, my leos sister, yeap,

607
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: it's so crazy. But the point that I was gonna

608
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: make before was that I love that they're introducing Kelsey

609
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: Mitchell in this conversation. At this point, I'm with you

610
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: since I felt like Kelsey could have been in the

611
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: conversation last year honestly, and to me, she has proven

612
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: her value to the Indiana Fever many times over.

613
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: But this year and time and time and time again.

614
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: But she has like I literally watched her play a

615
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: game in which she did not score but one basket

616
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: in the first half and ended.

617
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: A game with thirty eight points. What are we doing?

618
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: And so.

619
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: Overall, just the MVP conversation there has got to be

620
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: more parameters, I think when it comes to how you

621
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: determine what defines what as it relates to.

622
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: An MVP, because leaving it up to voters.

623
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: To kind of decide on the own like I have

624
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: my own criteria, right, and like China and I have

625
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: kind of talked about this in the past, Like I'm

626
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: looking at what have you done all season? I'm looking

627
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: at have you done things that are historically different, unique,

628
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: something that hasn't been done before, which all of our

629
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: candidates at eighteen list of times. Specifically, I am looking

630
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: at how have you adjusted to your team in terms

631
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: of how have you helped your team specifically?

632
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: But also my other thing is how do teams prep

633
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: for you?

634
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: Like, of course teams have that set for the team,

635
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: but like when I walk into my team meeting, when

636
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: I ask a coach, and I talk to every coach

637
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: in this league, and when I ask a coach and

638
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing this out specifically, what are your keys

639
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: to the game? And they say, well, first and foremost,

640
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: I got to make sure that I limit Sirl's touches.

641
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: We can't let her see the ball, we can't he

642
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: blah blah, blahlah blah. When I hear now that you

643
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: have the focal point, that's you. Oh, they they got

644
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: to play it for you. Yeah, okay, and.

645
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: Team you know.

646
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: That's how it is with all of the MVP candidates

647
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: we talked about. I heard I can't remember who a

648
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: Phoenix was playing, but at halftime they were like, you know,

649
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: at hasn't scored. I think she had four points, but

650
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: she already had ten assists, nine rebounds, And the coach

651
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: was just like, I don't know how you stop Alyssa Thomas,

652
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: like she's that good, and coaches are saying, I mean,

653
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: we can triple team Asa Wilson.

654
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: She's still gonna make shit happen. She's still gonna She's

655
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: so fine.

656
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: Same thing with fee right, and then here to me,

657
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: here's the biggest compliment when when your peers, when when

658
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: players say Kelsey Minchell is the hardest guard to defend

659
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: in the league, like that is the biggest compliment when

660
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: it's coming from your peers, when it's coming from players

661
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: who play against you every single day. I want to

662
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: add one thing to what you said about criteria. My

663
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: ask is this for people who are voting and not

664
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: just MVP for all the awards, Rookie of the Year,

665
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: First second Team, All WNBA First second Team, All Defensive Team.

666
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: Can we.

667
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: Make sure the people who are voting actually one watch

668
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: games with an s not just one particular player or

669
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: one particular team. They watch games, but they also understand basketball,

670
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: Like I know there are people who actually get to

671
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: vote that don't know shit about the game.

672
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: But you have a vote.

673
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

674
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: That's all.

675
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: And it's not my intent to disparage any other voter,

676
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: but I will say I am one who thoroughly and

677
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: firmly believes in voter transparency. I love that the NBA does.

678
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: I have brought the out to the league. Christina Williams

679
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: has brought us up to the league. We have always

680
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: brought this up to the league, and you know, we

681
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: keep it real. The response from league officials and league

682
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: sources and stuff have always been, you know, we want

683
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: to save them from the backlash and we don't want

684
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: voters to get turned off from wanting to vote because

685
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: the social presence and things like that. It's different on

686
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: the WNBA side than the NBA side. Blah blah blah blah. Now,

687
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: I will say that there is a point there. There's

688
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: a point that the social fan base and presence and

689
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: things like that is very different between W fans and

690
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: NBA fans.

691
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: Right.

692
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: W fans will absolutely call you out and comfort you

693
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: on social media. It is what it is.

694
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: But I also feel like, while no, no one should

695
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 4: be attacked for their vote, you should be able to

696
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: stand ten toes down on what you vote. Foe.

697
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should.

698
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: You should be able to explain or be able to

699
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: put context as to why you feel the way you

700
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: feel and why you vote the.

701
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: Way you voted.

702
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: And I don't have to agree with you, and nobody

703
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: has to agree with you.

704
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: It is what it is.

705
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: But you should feel comfortable and confident enough in what

706
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: you're saying to be able to stand down on your vote.

707
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: And there are some people who are just unable to

708
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: do that, and so because of that, they choose to

709
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: keep and by they, I mean the league chooses to

710
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: keep the league voters a secret. So I, as a voter,

711
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: don't even know who all of my other voting peers are.

712
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: I know who are the ones that I talk to

713
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: and who you know we converse with and have conversations

714
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: because we do that. We talk I think when the

715
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: battle come out, to be like, well, what's your guy

716
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: or who you picking up?

717
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: Why are you doing it?

718
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: Like, it's healthy conversation to see if we're on the

719
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: same page, maybe there's something that I'm not considering about

720
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: a player that I should be, So.

721
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: It's healthy conversation.

722
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the year, when the

723
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: votes have been tallied and the awards are announced, myself

724
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: and Christina Williams were the first two and for the

725
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: long time the only two who showed.

726
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: Every year how you vote it?

727
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: And I wish you would come for me about it

728
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: on social media because I'm gonna tell you why I

729
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: voted the way I voted, and I'm a stand on

730
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: why I voted the way I voted, And then I'm

731
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: gonna ask you where you'll vote at. Oh, you ain't

732
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 3: got one, shut up.

733
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 4: Player?

734
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: But I know what's random people?

735
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Like, but you know because I watched the games.

736
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: I go to every game, I talk to the players,

737
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: I cover the coaches. I am not one of those

738
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: people who are just frivously out here looking at a

739
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: box score and saying this is what I'm gonna do.

740
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people.

741
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: Vote that's a lot of people vote.

742
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: Give me a box, spoor. Let me see how many

743
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: points she had. How many That's how a lot of

744
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: people vote to me. Here's why the league won't do

745
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: it because of that person who gave Asia Wilson a

746
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: fourth place vote.

747
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: Because the league knows it was wrong. Everybody in the

748
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: media knows it was wrong. Even the person that gave

749
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: her the fourth place vote. You know it was wrong.

750
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: I heard Asia, found out who it was, and just

751
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: wanted to she did. I bless you, Asia, I bless you.

752
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me.

753
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: I bless you. It couldn't be me, neither I like

754
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: or brother.

755
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make I'm gonna make sure everybody knows. I'm

756
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: gonna make sure I even know.

757
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: But no.

758
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: I believe in voter transparency. It's totally necessary to me.

759
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: I stand ten toes down on everything I say, and

760
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: if I make a mistake or something is right, I

761
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: have no problem taking accountability and saying, you know what.

762
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: Y'all, I messed that up, I got that wrong.

763
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: I should have reconsidered my bad but I never do

764
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: that because I feel very strongly about who I vote for.

765
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: I don't just rush through my ballot. I take my time,

766
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: I go over it. I'm that person that submits my

767
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: them things got to go in at eleven fifty nine,

768
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: I'd be like, eleven fifty eight, here you go, because

769
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: I need time. But with all that being said, this

770
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: is shaping up to be quite a discussion, quite a conversation.

771
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 4: I think it really at the end of the day,

772
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: just kind.

773
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: Of shows the evolution of where we are and how

774
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: we've gotten to. And as a former MVP, you have

775
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: got to be proud that it can't.

776
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Be this easy to pick an MVP anymore like that.

777
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: It is, no, there are so many people that are

778
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: doing well that it's like an actual competition.

779
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and you're right, Tea, because I remember, like back

780
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: in the day when I played, you had probably three

781
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: maybe four, but every year it was pretty much the

782
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: same three players that you knew were going to be

783
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: in the MVP race. But I absolutely love the discussion.

784
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: And here's the thing that I want to say to

785
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: everybody out there. It's great to have a debate, right,

786
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: It's great to have a healthy debate about why it

787
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: should be this player over that one, and again it's

788
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: everybody's opinion, right, Yeah, So have those conversations, but don't

789
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: get all bent up out of shape because someone doesn't

790
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: agree with you.

791
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Yes, right, No, what do you mean it should be her?

792
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: No, it should be her your opinion, and I will

793
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: just say this, Yes, I do think Alisha Gray, I

794
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: think Kelsey Mitchell. I think the two of them deserve

795
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: to be in the conversation. But I think it will

796
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: be one of those three feet at or Asia, and

797
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you can go wrong with any one

798
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: of them.

799
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: I agree one hundred percent.

800
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: I do think the winner will ultimately be one of

801
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: the top three that have been in the conversation for

802
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: the longest.

803
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely right about that, and.

804
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: I will before we go into our final segment and

805
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: close this out, I want to add one thing to what.

806
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: You said, because I love that you said it.

807
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: That don't get been out of shape about who other

808
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: people's talking about. But also, we just had a whole

809
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 3: show about this, and not one time did we ever

810
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 3: need to put down another player in order to lift

811
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: up somebody. Y'all can have debates about your players and

812
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: who you think can be and should be and all

813
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: of this without having to talk shit about another player.

814
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: That's not healthy, and it's not helpful. You don't need

815
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: to do that.

816
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: You don't have to downplay another player to make your point.

817
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: You just don't have to do that. Not at all,

818
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: So not at all.

819
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: Not at all. All Right, when we come back, y'all.

820
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: We are going to go ahead and close this thing out.

821
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: So please stay with.

822
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 5: Us, y'all.

823
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: We've had a lot of fun just kind of talking

824
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: basketball and talking about the MVP conversation. I'm very excited

825
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: to see who's gonna walk away with it, just as

826
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: excited as I am to see who.

827
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: Gonna end up being in the finals. Because I don't

828
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: know where nobody is.

829
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: That's a whole different show for a whole different day,

830
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 3: because I don't know where.

831
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: Nobody is in a standard other than one. That's it.

832
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: That's it. That's what I I want.

833
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: You got, well, we.

834
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: Hope we know too, because Tuka switch, Tuka switch tomorrow.

835
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: You are right about that too.

836
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: That is crazy.

837
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, it's gonna shape up to be a

838
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: fun winning You know, I was MVP at the Chess

839
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: Club one time.

840
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: Were you how about the V I was like, Tim,

841
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: you got you one, look, you got one, you got period,

842
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: you got it.

843
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 4: Listen, had me on the list, put me on the list.

844
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm like you, I'm excited to see who's gonna walk

845
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: away with the m v P. I am gonna say this,

846
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: and I'm saying this all in fun because somebody will

847
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: take it and run with and be like you see,

848
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: she's such a hater because I'm not a hater. I

849
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: love me some Asian Wilson. But I'm gonna feel some.

850
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Type of way if she gets her fourth m v P.

851
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: The same way you was gonna throw some type of

852
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: way in Minnesota Champion and was and was.

853
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Scarce.

854
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: But you know what, if she doesn't get it this year,

855
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: to me, it's only a matter of time before she

856
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: gets that.

857
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: For she it's coming. It is coming.

858
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: Cracking up, I'm craying. That is so funny. Off right now.

859
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: Cut her shoes applot off right now? Another pair air one.

860
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: If you don't.

861
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: Level and cut I love you as Here's what I

862
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: got today. We're always looking around and and talking about

863
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: the things that we don't have or what I wish

864
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: I had or what was different.

865
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: So this is what I got for us today.

866
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: Make it a habit to talk about blessings more than burdens,

867
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: where focus goes energy flows.

868
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: I like that.

869
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: Love that.

870
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot, the way

871
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean wished.

872
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: The way you think. Yeah, I like that. Got to

873
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: switch the way you think and switch your focus.

874
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: I love that goes energy flows.

875
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: Focus on the good things. Love that.

876
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Love that.

877
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, thank you once again, Cheryl for dropping these positive words,

878
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: leveling us up for the next week, and thank you

879
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: guys for just continuing to listen to Levels to this.

880
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: We will be back next week with more. We will

881
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: be back with more next Level conversation. But remember this

882
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,359
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883
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,040
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