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Speaker 1: What's pumping my creams? I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we tell you everything you don't know

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Speaker 1: about the very worst people in all of history. My

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Speaker 1: guests today, the Inimitable, the unstoppable, the dynamic duo, Sexier

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Speaker 1: than Obama, Deadlier than Osama, Cody Johnston and Katie Stole.

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Speaker 1: I really worked on that one than second of it.

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Speaker 1: And also you could have just said Obama for the

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Speaker 1: second one and it would have worked. Well. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you went to the extremes. I did, I did,

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Speaker 1: I did. I always like comparing my guests to famous terrorists. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it felt right, it goes, It goes well every time.

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Speaker 1: How are y'all doing today? Great? Yeah. We we do have,

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Speaker 1: of course, our coffee mate in the in the room

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Speaker 1: with us one pump, one cream. It expired in January.

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Speaker 1: That's very cool. I do have because I throw things

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Speaker 1: now on the air because I've become a prima donna. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This time it is a loaf of Izio Artisan Bakery,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco style sour dough. Delicious. I will be throwing

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Speaker 1: this in anger at several points. I do think that

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Speaker 1: coffee mate might have curdled by now, but it might

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Speaker 1: make a good spread for this sour dough. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: a good idea, just putting that out there. And if

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Speaker 1: I wanted one cream spread on the sour dough, how

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Speaker 1: many pumps would that though? It's so like old now

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Speaker 1: and curls, that might need two or three pumps, you know,

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Speaker 1: at least to get it started. Yeah, speaking of getting

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Speaker 1: it started, you guys hear about that border militia that

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Speaker 1: that apprehended hundreds of migrants gunpoint. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 1: hear the whole history of civilian border Militia's I really do? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I thought we were just going to hang out. Okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's what I told Cody to get him here. But

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Speaker 1: every time table, it's working time. That's what I pump says.

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Speaker 1: Got to get those pumps and the equal number of creams.

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Speaker 1: Ideally we should get new coffee X pump is X

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Speaker 1: cream X pump, except that clearly nobody wants to use it,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you do need any more cream.

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Speaker 1: It's only a prop. Now, it's just a prop. It's

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Speaker 1: it's ambient cream. Okay, let's get into it. So when

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Speaker 1: learned about the glorious war my white ancestors had fought

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Speaker 1: like that the Texas Revolutionaries had been fighting for their

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Speaker 1: one of the founding fathers of cock fighting. I did, however,

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Speaker 1: learn a lot about the Alamo. From there. My Texas

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Speaker 1: I don't remember learning much about Texas in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: tales of the very first Texas Rangers. Now, in case

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Speaker 1: you don't know, the Texas Rangers are basically the Loans

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Speaker 1: our state's FBI, only with more spin kicking. See the

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Speaker 1: in their current incarnation. I did, not, however, learn much

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Speaker 1: history of the U S Border Patrol quote. They battled

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Speaker 1: Whatever the task, however, raw physical violence was the rangers

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Speaker 1: that quote in several others in a wonderful Intercept article

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Speaker 1: Rangers evolved from a force bent on maintain aiming white

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Speaker 1: What if not that? What what if not that? What if?

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Speaker 1: later say that the vehicles came to a stop on

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Speaker 1: their own. Other members of his team disagreed, telling reporters

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Speaker 1: that they booby trapped the road, tearing the tires of

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Speaker 1: one of the vehicles to shreds before opening fire. It

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Speaker 1: was the latest in a series of escalating c m

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Speaker 1: A actions, which had also included clandestine foes into Mexico.

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00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: The militia members held sixteen men, women, and children at

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Speaker 1: gunpoint for an hour and a half before border patrol

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Speaker 1: agents arrived to take them away. Very big descrupancy story.

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Speaker 1: I love that they're they're protecting the US border by

432
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Speaker 1: invading Mexican and it's fine. It's like, it's like almost

433
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Speaker 1: like people, these hyper masculine people, they need this award

434
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Speaker 1: to be fighting. They need to have some like battle

435
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: at their planets. I get. I like guns, have football.

436
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: I get the desire to larp with a fucking a

437
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Speaker 1: R fifteen. Go do it on your friends end and

438
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: shoot it old cars. Don't funk with people's lives and

439
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: shoot their vehicles playing video game play video Yeah. Yeah,

440
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: like go funk up another country. And then when they

441
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: come there and stop them with guns. Um. I love

442
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: because it's really I was like, okay, one guy said

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Speaker 1: that they stopped in their own but they disagreed, and

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Speaker 1: I was waiting for you, like, no they stopped, they

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Speaker 1: like held up guns, they stopped the car. No no

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Speaker 1: they booby no no, we like we like put sit down.

447
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: We weren't just standing in the middle room. They didn't

448
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Speaker 1: want Yeah, yeah, I know. They want a war. They

449
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Speaker 1: want a civil war. They want a revolution. There's a

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Speaker 1: hand in the old website and like here's nine and

451
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Speaker 1: all these polls of like what revolution do you prefer?

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Speaker 1: And it's like I want a civil war. No, I

453
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Speaker 1: want like like revolt against the government. Just like all

454
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Speaker 1: these different options, there's one thing they want. They have

455
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: all those cool toys and they want an excuse to

456
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Speaker 1: use them. So nobody voted for the industrial revolution. And

457
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Speaker 1: that was my favorite. Was like, what's your favorite? It's

458
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: just I just you know what, you know what I

459
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: love is little cute little tikes working in factories. That

460
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Speaker 1: just yeah, that really gets me. Well, the keyword is cute.

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Speaker 1: It's cute. It's cute as when they're little hands they

462
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: go into those grain threshers and They just try to

463
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Speaker 1: pull the stuff out faster than it can cut their fingers.

464
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Speaker 1: So cute hands wouldn't be able to do that. They

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be less cute, and it would be less cute.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. In there the little the little cute

467
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Speaker 1: little fake limbs for them, the little peg legs and stuff,

468
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Speaker 1: and they lose their legs and the threshers like that,

469
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Speaker 1: like little black lung Yeah, yeah, I think how little

470
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Speaker 1: those black lungs are too. It's adorable. I love a

471
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Speaker 1: good liquorice jelly beans in their in their chest. So

472
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Speaker 1: cute took it too far. Jelly beans are cute with

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Speaker 1: you know what? Yeah, it hit Katie's mike if I

474
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Speaker 1: throw it out the other wall. What what do you?

475
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: What is that expression? Sylvie? That was like a pro

476
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Chester throwing something like fire back, Yes, please, thank you, yeah,

477
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: instead of a Molotov's Yeah, Molotov cocked bagel your business

478
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Speaker 1: card like a weapon. I love that bagel. There's something here.

479
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: Molototh locks to something. We're close, We're getting there, We're

480
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Speaker 1: getting there. I'm proud of all of us. We'll probably

481
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Speaker 1: cut some of that out. Dances, No, Sir. One was

482
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Speaker 1: an important year for America's political racists. That's the year

483
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Speaker 1: David Duke Ranford governor of Louisiana. He lost, but he

484
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: won almost of the popular vote, which is a lot

485
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Speaker 1: of folks. That's the magic number. Yeah, it's like that,

486
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: like that, there's always that range of people who will

487
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: vote for this kind of thing, the president's current approval rating,

488
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: and then I don't know you're talking about who you're

489
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: talking about. It was also the year of the Gulf War,

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00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and many of America's white supremacists were very much against

491
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: that war happening. The Populist Party was founded by Willis

492
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Speaker 1: Carto in nineteen eighty four. Willis will get an episode himself,

493
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: but the short of it is he was modern America's

494
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: first successful intellectual Nazi. Think of him as rich as

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Speaker 1: the Richard Spencer of the nineteen eighties and nineties. He

496
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: kept his power level just wrapped up enough to avoid

497
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Speaker 1: being tired with the same brush as George Lincoln Rockwell,

498
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Speaker 1: but he shared Rockwellt ultimate goal uniting the American right

499
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: behind white supremacist politics. The Populist Party was a major

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Speaker 1: early vehicle for David Duke's political career. In nine they

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00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: picketed and protested the Gulf War. Blood and Politics cites

502
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: one of the leaflets they handed out by the hundreds quote,

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Speaker 1: if the Populist Party were in power, we would have

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of troops on the Mexican border, not

505
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Speaker 1: in desert desert sand dunes ten thousand miles away. There

506
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Speaker 1: would be no affirmative action quotas or other anti white

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Speaker 1: racist schemes, anti white racist schemes. That's my, oh God,

508
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: waiting for like, no more wars, just not we want.

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Speaker 1: We want to war on those unarmed people trying to

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Speaker 1: cross the border. I got to kill those women and children.

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Speaker 1: We want to be able to see the war from

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Speaker 1: our backyard. I want to, I want to. I want

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Speaker 1: a war, but I also don't want to have to

514
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Speaker 1: go too far from the kitchen. Well, you don't want

515
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Speaker 1: to have to fight a war in like a gross

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Speaker 1: foreign country. No want I want to. I want to

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Speaker 1: kill some people. I want to go home to my

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Speaker 1: own bed. Exactly America first, we're here forever. Import, don't

519
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: export exactly exactly exactly. We've got a word deficit trade

520
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: wise at the war gap. By nineteen ninety two or

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, Pat Buchanan ran in the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party primary against George H. W. Bush. So did Tom

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Speaker 1: Metzger for that matter. Buchanan made border security the keystone

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Speaker 1: issue of his campaign. During a press event of the

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Speaker 1: Border in May, he told the l A Times quote,

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Speaker 1: I am calling attention to a national disgrace, the failure

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Speaker 1: of the national government of the United States to protect

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Speaker 1: the borders of the United States from an illegal invasion

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Speaker 1: that involves at least a million aliens a year. As

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00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: a consequence of that, we have social problems, in economic

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Speaker 1: problems and drug problems. Oh. Unfortunately for Pat, Tom Metzker

532
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: showed up at the border that same day intent on

533
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: attacking Pat Buchanan from the right. Here's how Blood and

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00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Politics relates what happened next. The only problem was Metzker,

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00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: who waited with great fanfare for Buchanan to appear. Where

536
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: was the great White hope? He sneered like a perfect

537
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: villain in a street theater. I want to talk with him.

538
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: When Buchanan finally did appear, he was forced to huddle

539
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: in a small circle of supporters to avoid contact with Metzger,

540
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: But the ornery arian worked his way into camera range. Nevertheless,

541
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: pat he old as all the cameras swung away from

542
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: the candidate and toward him, what are we going to

543
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: do about all those rich Republicans making millions off the

544
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: wet backs in the Imperial Valley. As the camera swung

545
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: back and forth, Buchanan beat a hasty retreat after less

546
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: than fifteen minutes of photo less opportunity. With the cameras

547
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: all to himself. Metzger then staged his own press conference.

548
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: If he were president, he argued volubly, he would station

549
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Speaker 1: National Guard troops like a picket fence along the border

550
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Speaker 1: with orders to shoot to kill. The immigration problem would

551
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: be over in one night, he declared, Yes, but also cool,

552
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: but also gross. Um, but also gross. That's a yeah,

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00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: that's it's always fascinating, Yeah, hearing current stories like a

554
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: picket fence, but just like, yeah, that a beautiful fence

555
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: guns the right. That's that's a thing. Okay, Okay, It's like, uh,

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00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: like I've seen that conversation happen online many many times,

557
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: but just like oh yeah too, Like candidates are doing

558
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: their their Twitter their Twitter argument, but in real life, yeah,

559
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and pulling them to the right. This is what we

560
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: had to do before Twitter would show up at the

561
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: border and shout at each other. Now, obviously the election

562
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: did not go to any Republican slick Willie, noted lawyer

563
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and probable rapist one. In the mid nineteen nineties, Clinton's

564
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Border Patrol launched the Prevention through Deterrence campaign. This basically

565
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: focused the border patrol in several specific border cities and

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: an attempt to funnel migrants into the Sonoran Desert by

567
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: basically blocking off all of the easy ways into the country.

568
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: The idea was that migrants would realize there were no

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Speaker 1: safe roots into the United States and thus stopped trying

570
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: to enter. I'm sure that worked. Seems like people fleeing

571
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: war and in some cases literal genocide in their homes

572
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: would be stopped by crossing an additional desert. Desperation and

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: the human drive for survival is easily deterred. Yes, it

574
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: very very easy to buy a single extra obstacle exactly,

575
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily a worse obstacle than once they've already.

576
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: That's a key way to get people to stop trying

577
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: to do something. It's like go through hell and be

578
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: like what about hell light? Yeah, what about a slightly

579
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: less worse. Anyway, let's read the next pair. Oh no, uh.

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Speaker 1: It turns out thousands of migrants tried to cross and

581
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: hundreds of them died in the Sonoran Desert. In many cases,

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00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: they died due to lack of water, heat stroke, and

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00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: all the other terrible things that can happen to a

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Speaker 1: body whilst traveling through the desert on foot. But a

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00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: number of those migrants we will never know how many

586
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: died violently. In two thousand, you Cbo de Harrow, a

587
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: Mexican man, was shot to death by Texas landowners Sam Blackwood.

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00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: You Cbo had asked Sam for water. Blackwood was convicted

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00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: of a misdemeanor deadly conduct charge and find four thousand dollars.

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00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Several members of the jury hugged members of his family

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Speaker 1: after the verdict was given. All of this finally brings

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00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: me to the Minutemen. Now, if you're like me, the

593
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: Minuteman's Civil Defense Corps were the first vigilante border militia

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: you ever heard about. They started in April of two

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00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: thousand five as the brain child of a man named

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Speaker 1: Chris Simcox. Now Chris was born in nineteen sixty one.

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00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: His childhood occurred while David Duke was wearing a swastika

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00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: in Free Speech Alley and Lewis Bean was machine gunning

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00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: people in Vietnam. In his early years, Chris' life gave

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00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: little hint that he would follow down an evening vaguely

601
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: similar path to those men. He moved out to l

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00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: A with dreams of becoming an actor. After several years

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00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: of failure, he became a kindergarten teacher instead, and taught

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Speaker 1: at the Wildwood School for thirteen years. What just like

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00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: You're You're really not gonna like where this goes. By

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00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand one, he'd transitioned to running a

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Speaker 1: private tutoring business. According to The Nation Quote, he appeared

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Speaker 1: to suffer a middle breakdown in the days after the

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Speaker 1: September eleventh, two one terrorist attacks, refusing to communicate with

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Speaker 1: anyone unless they first recited the Preamble to the U. S. Constitution,

611
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: and laying a series of bizarre messages on his ex

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00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: wife's answering the machine about stockpiling weapons. I'm going on

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00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: a great adventure, Simcox told his son three weeks after

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Speaker 1: the attacks. Ah, this doesn't end well. Adventures are fun, yeah,

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00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: adventures are fun. I love adventure adventures as adventures, adventures

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00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: adventures avengers both are fun. Both are fun um and

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00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: nobody dies and either either of them. That's my favorite

618
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: thing about adventure is the never dying part. This adventure

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00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: was Chris moving out to Tombstone, Arizona and getting a

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00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: gig is a fake gunfighter and a local show for tourists.

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Speaker 1: His James are coming. It's fun. It's gonna be fun.

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00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: He also sunk some of his savings into buying The

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Speaker 1: Tombstone Tumbleweed, a small local paper. Chris changed its editorial

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Speaker 1: direction from local news to ranting violently about immigrants. The

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00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: next year, two thousand two, he founded the Tombstone Militia,

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00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: which his own newspaper described as a committee of vigilantes.

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00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: The Tombstone Militias started patrolling the border irregularly. In January

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Speaker 1: two thousand three, Chris was arrested for infrequently weirdly. That's

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Speaker 1: that's how you duck costumes. We don't do it that often,

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00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: you know. In two thousand three, Chris was arrested for

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Speaker 1: illegally carrying a firearm in a national park. During one

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Speaker 1: of these missions, The Nation notes also in his possession.

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Speaker 1: We're a police scanner and a toy figure of Wyatt

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Speaker 1: earth Redding a horse. So it is weirdly Yeah, alright,

635
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: everything's adding up. Yeah. In April of two thousand five,

636
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: Chris teamed up with Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant in

637
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: Orange County, to start the Minuteman Project. According to Chris,

638
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: citizen border patrols were needed to do the job the

639
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: government refuses to do and protect the country from people

640
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: he called invaders. That's a new word. All of this

641
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: is new. Not the same language that Louis Beam, the Nazi,

642
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: used to justify the Clan border patrol a couple of

643
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: decades earlier. Very totally different, the same identical language. Yeah,

644
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: not the same way that any of these people use,

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Speaker 1: the President specifically, or the christ Church shooter, or I

646
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: could should I mean, yeah, you know, I'll just I'll

647
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: just you know, I actually, it's what do you want

648
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: to throw these bagels and anger at that one wherever

649
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: you wants you tossed those bagels. Nothing in here can

650
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: be damaged solids. They still bound back to Robert and

651
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: the invasion is over. Does this play well on podcasts? Oh? Yeah?

652
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: People love people love a good a good bagel throw.

653
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: It's the cornerstone of my show. The minute Man Project

654
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: lasted a month, and it mostly involved groups of volunteers

655
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: sitting in lawn chairs near the border looking for migrants

656
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: with binoculars. While it was unimpressive on the ground, the

657
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: Minuteman Project was a huge pr success. Fox paid particular attention,

658
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: but coverage span the gamut of mainstream news sources. I

659
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: found an NBC News article from June two thousand and five,

660
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: about two months after the Minuteman's first outing quote. Headlines

661
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: from the Arizona event gave the group momentum and turned

662
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: what some believed to be nothing more than a publicity

663
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: stunt into a national movement. The group has since hired Yours,

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Speaker 1: reorganized into separate corporations, filed to legally protect the name.

665
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Minuteman Project, hired a Washington based media consultant and started

666
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: an aggressive fundraising campaign, and representatives of the group have

667
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: been to Washington to lobby Congress and relate the lessons

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00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: learned from their time on the border. So unless the

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Speaker 1: work continues, it's just going to be viewed as a

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00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: dog and pony show, said James Gilchrist, one of the

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Speaker 1: mintment leaders. When the air Zona project wrapped up, he

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00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and Simcox unabashedly acknowledged that among their chief considerations in

673
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Arizona was getting media attention. So if you know one

674
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: thing about the kind of people who create volunteer malicious,

675
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: it's that they're all impossible assholes who hate each other.

676
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Simcox and Gilchrist did not get along, and less than

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Speaker 1: a month after blowing up, you know, press wise, the

678
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Minuteman project. Yeah, I'm hungover again, so I'm reading some

679
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: of this like a ship head. Uh. Less than a

680
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: month after blowing up in the news, the Minuteman fractured

681
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: into two separate groups. Gil Chris created Minuteman Inc, an

682
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: organization aimed at fighting a legal immigration inside the US

683
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: by attacking employers violating immigration laws. Simcox ran the Minuteman

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Speaker 1: Civil Defense Corps or m c d C. On paper,

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00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: the two groups were part of the same larger whole.

686
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: In reality, they had fairly little to do with each other.

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00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: This worked out great for Chris Simcox because it meant

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00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: he could solicit donations directly to his group without sharing

689
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: with Gilchrist. By August of two thousand six, between sixty

690
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: thousand and a hundred and thirty thousand people had donated

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00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: money to fund the mc DC's operations. Chris Simcox claimed

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00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: that he had received over one point six million dollars,

693
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: but he claimed at that point to have more than

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Speaker 1: seven thousand, four hundred and fifty one Kazami grantes or

695
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: migrant hunters in his personal army. He claims these men

696
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: had personally delivered thirteen thousand illegal aliens to the border patrol.

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00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Simcox and Gilchrist quickly gained the attention of powerful forces

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Speaker 1: within the American right. According to the Nation Quote, the

699
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: cannonball media splash that followed attracted the attention of Diner Consultants.

700
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: The Chicago based political consulting and fundraising operation is run

701
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: by Philip Sheldon, son of the Traditional Values Coalition, long

702
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: one of the nation's most vociferous anti gay crusaders. Diner

703
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: is one cog and Philip Shelbon's revenue generating machine, which

704
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: also includes Response Unlimited, a direct mail firm promoted as

705
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: the nation's best and most comprehensive source of mailing lists

706
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: for conservative and Christian mailers and telemarketers, and perhaps best

707
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: known for ghoulishly purchasing a list of donors to Terry

708
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: Shivo's legal fund from her parents several days before her death. Cool. Cool,

709
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: that's cool. You know what is even cooler. Another mailing

710
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: list that Response Unlimited would happily sell to the highest

711
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: bidder was a list of people who had subscribed to

712
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: a now dead magazine called The Spotlight. Ever heard of Spotlight?

713
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: I've heard of spotlights? Yeah? Well The Spotlight is a

714
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: literal neo Nazi news rag that mostly focused on denying

715
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Was published by Willis Carto, founder of the

716
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Populist Party and backer of David Duke. So Chris Simcox

717
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: was happy to sell access to his mailing list to

718
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: these these people'll checks out? Cool? Uh, the the I

719
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: didn't care for the Nazi stuff, didn't care for I

720
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: didn't care for that. I like that part. Not a

721
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: fan of referring to them as migrant hunters that so much,

722
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: didn't Um, Can I just say like all of the above, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't say that. I'm not a fan of migrant

724
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Speaker 1: hunting either. You know what, I am a fan of products.

725
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: I love products services. Oh my gosh, I didn't know

726
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: he included before we go out to ads. I'm gonna

727
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: try tossing something I've never tossed, and this might be

728
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: an objectively bad idea. Yeah, I'm throwing them. What happened?

729
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: There's no way to one toss all the cream. It

730
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: was fine, safe, everything's good, everything's fine. Nothing pardon because

731
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: I bapped it away part of the language, but nothing

732
00:40:46,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: came out. But if something to come out, products, we're back. God,

733
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: those ads, I bought it. I bought it all. I'm

734
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: so full from those ads. So am I, so am I.

735
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: You know, let's let's let's fill our heads now with

736
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: some some knowledge. Let's digest something knowledge. So we were

737
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: talking about response unlimited people who buy up all the

738
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: mailing lists. They at the minute Man's mailing list, or essentially,

739
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Chris Simcox sold access to that. The Nation actually managed

740
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: to find out some of the people who purchased access

741
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: to the Minuteman's mailing list. It included Judge Roy Moore

742
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: for his failed dubernatorial campaign, Oliver North's Freedom Alliance, and

743
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: some organization called Stop Puerto Rico Statehood Budge. They know

744
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: they're fucking Oh my goodness, uh data cool. Yeah, Now,

745
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: most new grifters and Chris Simcox's position would have sucked

746
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: everything up within six months or less of their first

747
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: grift going viral. But Chris is a smart dude. On

748
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: April nineteenth, two six, he showed up on Fox News

749
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: is Hannity and Colmbs. He stated, with zero evidence that

750
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand Middle Easterners had been apprehended entering the

751
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: country let in the last year. This is a clear

752
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: and present danger. It is the greatest threat to national security,

753
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: in public safety. The time for negotiating is over. He

754
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: then delivered an ultimatum to President George W. Bush, declare

755
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: a state of emergency and deploy the National Guard in

756
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: military reserves or by Memorial Day weekend. We're going to

757
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: break ground and we're going to start helping landowners to

758
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: build a double layer security fence along their properties. Thus

759
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: was born fence Gate. Okay, okay cool. President Bush was

760
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: forced to send six thousand National Guard troops to the

761
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: border to placate the Fox watching crowd. Chris used the

762
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: media storm around this to solicit even more donations. His

763
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: plan was to buy up miles of private land along

764
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Speaker 1: the border and build what he called an Israeli style

765
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: security fence, including a six ft trench in concertina wire

766
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Speaker 1: on top. By May nine, just a few weeks after

767
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: his Fox appearance, the fence had raised a hundred and

768
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars. A month later, almost four hundred

769
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollars have been donated. Week by week, the Minutemen

770
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: grew more and more tightly woven into the Republican establishment.

771
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: In mid two thousand six, it was absorbed into the

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Speaker 1: Declaration Alliance, a group formed by conservative activist Alan Keys

773
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six to fight abortion and gay rights.

774
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Speaker 1: The Alliances president Mary Lewis, was a former assistant to

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Speaker 1: Bill Cristel, editor of the now defunct Weekly Standard. During

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00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: a Minuteman gathering, Keys told the assembled militiaman what we're

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00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: doing here is not just building a fence. We are

778
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: rebuilding a character. We are redefining a people now. In

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00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: every press appearance in interview, Simcox has been careful to

780
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: note that the Minutemen were non violent. When Alan Colmes,

781
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: The Fox is Now Dead Pocket Democrat, questioned Chris about

782
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: the fact that some Minutemen carried guns on patrol, Chris

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00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: told him, Alan, this is a dangerous place. There are

784
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Speaker 1: drug dealers. Our group in California yesterday came across some

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00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: drug mules, one of them carrying an a R fifteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, our volunteers, thank God for the Second Amendment,

787
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: are allowed to defend their lives that they're attacked and

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00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: when they put themselves in this dangerous situation, the same

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Speaker 1: as the men and women of Border Patrol. They have

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00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: that right. Okay, the reality of the situation is that

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00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: Chris Simcox, Jim Gilchrist, and many of their volunteers were

792
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: champing at the bit for an excuse to murder brown people.

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00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to play an audio clip from documentary footage

794
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: shot in two thousand four. The first person we're going

795
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: to hear is Gilchrist. I'n available to shoot the Mexicans

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00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: on site, and that would end the problem. After two

797
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: or three Mexicans are shot, they they will stop crossing

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00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: the border and they take their cows home to them.

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Speaker 1: And here's simcos I feel that the people that are

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Speaker 1: coming across invading this country, I think they should be

801
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: treated as as enemies of the state. We need to

802
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: start putting them in work camps. Anyone could have walked

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00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: through the borders of this country bringing bombs, chemicals and

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00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: weapons mass destruction. I think they should be shot on

805
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: site personally. Yeah, you know, all those migrants bringing weapons

806
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: of mass destruction. Yeah, you know. I I looked into

807
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: it because I wanted to know how many terrorists Al

808
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: Qaeda guys have snuck into America through the southern border.

809
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: It's a it's still zero. It's still zero. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: was wondering if it's still It's only been eighteen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so fingers crossed that changes. Yeah you're saying zero now

812
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: exactly eighteen years after people started, but you never know. Um,

813
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: it's interesting hearing all these people talk um and say

814
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: these terrible things that uh, many of our public officials

815
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 1: say and and now do and like the camps um

816
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: like the camps uh like insinuating that maybe we should

817
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: shoot them, but we won't. We maybe maybe we should

818
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: should we won't, but we should, we won't, but we work.

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Speaker 1: I also like, yeah, the deterrent, that'll deter them. It's

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00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: and and that's what Gil Chris said, that like, if

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00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: you start, you only have to kill a few and

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00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: it will deter them. That's literally the same thing Nazi

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00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: Tom Metzger said thirty years earlier. You start killing a

824
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: few and it'll stop it. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's important

825
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: to note that the Minutemen, although they wrapped themselves in

826
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: more moderate garb and we're very tightly woven into the

827
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Republican Party, we're just as hateful and had intentions just

828
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: as violent as the neo Nazis and klansmen who preceded them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, like people are talking about like Donald Trump

830
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: and how like he's like, look look what he's doing

831
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: to everybody. Look what he's doing to the probiicant party.

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00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting how it's less that more he's all expression

833
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: of it's he's just the DJ. They were already dancing.

834
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Speaker 1: He's like, he got up and he pumped up the

835
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: fu to their rhetoric. Ye, he's the if I may

836
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Speaker 1: borrow and name the spotlight. Yeah nice, nice, Maybe a

837
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: little bit of it in here. Yeah. So, yes, the

838
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: monument wrapped themselves in the notion of protecting America, but

839
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: what they really wanted was an excuse to murder Hispanics.

840
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: In part two, we're going to talk about what happened

841
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: when some of them finally got that chance. But first,

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Speaker 1: plug p zone. We can what I mean, it's you guys,

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Speaker 1: you guys, plug your stuff, drop drop a p in

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Speaker 1: the p zone. Look, we're here. We're here on the

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Speaker 1: podcast a lot. You like that. We got our own

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Speaker 1: podcast called even More News Cody. You to the rest.

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Speaker 1: There's also a YouTube show called Some More News. The

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Speaker 1: videos and my Twitter is dr Mr Cody and the

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Speaker 1: show's Twitter Some More News, and case Twitter is Katie Stole.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I have a Twitter. I'm I'm I right,

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Speaker 1: okay on Twitter. You can follow me there if you

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Speaker 1: want to be my friend or my enemy, I'm taken both.

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Speaker 1: I have. There's t shirts you can buy on t public.

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Speaker 1: You can find this podcast on Twitter or The Graham

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Speaker 1: at at Bastard's pod. You can find all of the

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Speaker 1: sources for this episode on Behind the Bastards dot com.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have any other podcast to plug Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? You just look like you're angry at me,

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Speaker 1: like you furious? Am I missing something? Oh? Do you

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Speaker 1: want me to throw the bagels again? Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: throw the babies again. Knocked over Katie's drink. They are

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Speaker 1: kidding progressively more dangerous, but I'm not. I'm not gonna stop.

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Speaker 1: Why would you Why would you exactly keep going, keep going,

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Speaker 1: that's some America logic. Speaking of America, I have podcast

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Speaker 1: about what if civil war called it could happen here spoilers.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. The podcast is good, but yeah, I hope so. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the episodes over go, throw some bagels, hug a cat,

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Speaker 1: give a cat bagels. We're done, make a bagel. Episodes

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Speaker 1: over