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Speaker 1: Nick Bonacor from the Reformed Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: our communities. Everybody can't be doctors. You know, if we

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Speaker 1: let let's do this thing together. How can we make

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Speaker 1: young people In the long rue coach the Wrong Tang

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Speaker 1: Kansas State. I can't thank you enough man, It's been

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Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much, Naka That's the

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Speaker 1: Wrong Tang head men's basketball coaching at Kansas State University.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nick Boncourt and our goal is to restore a healthy

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Speaker 1: balance and perspective in all areas of sports through education

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