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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and a lovely, lovely Monday here in Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: Is it Monday? I don't even know what day it

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Speaker 1: is anymore. Man. To be honest with you, days of

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Speaker 1: the week don't matter anymore for us. Your schedule has

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Speaker 1: been taxed more than I than mine. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a fun weekend in Canton. We had a weekend.

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Speaker 1: We had a cant weekend. Again. You had to have

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Speaker 1: some long nights and some escapades, and you were there

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Speaker 1: a long a lot longer than me. I can see

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Speaker 1: where your days are running together. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's camp time. It is time, yes, rolling out of

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Speaker 1: bed and rolling down the hill. And that's something though,

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Speaker 1: rolling out of bed to go do a show, not

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Speaker 1: having to drive every day. I feel to be right there.

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Speaker 1: And people ask me, Dale, what do you like going

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Speaker 1: going to La Trobe? You just want to go out

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Speaker 1: and go out and go to Shark. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to just go out and go to Shark's just

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Speaker 1: fun though, it's I'm not saying that, but I'm at

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Speaker 1: work right, It's just all there, It's all right there.

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Speaker 1: Stroll across campus, get some lunch, go to practice, you know,

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Speaker 1: do a show. Yeah, it's a much better arrangement. Like

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Speaker 1: all the people during the pandemic who've been working from home,

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Speaker 1: the same type of deal. It's what we do with

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Speaker 1: LaTroy right right. Would would you folks rather get out

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Speaker 1: of bed in your jam jams and do a zoom

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Speaker 1: call or you know, get a shower and put makeup

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Speaker 1: or take the subway? What would you rather do? I

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Speaker 1: don't mind that, but yeah, we got camp rolling along there.

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Speaker 1: We got another game on the horizon here. Starting to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of groundhog Day, you know, but

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Speaker 1: a little bit Hall of Fame is a good break

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Speaker 1: up for me at least. I mean, go up and

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Speaker 1: back and see something different. But I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: you know, practice day to day. There's some news obviously,

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Speaker 1: but you know they're prepping for games, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we got two shows this week and then they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the road again and then play a game

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Speaker 1: and come back. So I'm excited for the games. Reminded

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Speaker 1: me of that. Yeah, there you go. Nice drive across

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to Philadelphia. I hate that drive too, um, just

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Speaker 1: the worst drive, Like I I can. I remember one

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Speaker 1: year we were in Colorado. The Steelers are playing in

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Speaker 1: Denver and the Phillies had just lost to the Rockies

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Speaker 1: in the in the NLCS in Denver. In Denver, and

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Speaker 1: we're walking, Me and a couple of the other guys

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Speaker 1: were walking into an establishment local water and yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they had a guy at the door asking for everybody's

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Speaker 1: I d as they sometimes do, and if you looked

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Speaker 1: at weren't sure if you were of age. He looked

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Speaker 1: at our identification and he said, Pennsylvania, we just beat

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Speaker 1: your baseball team. And I looked at him, like, what

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? I had no idea what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. It never dawned him me. He was talking

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Speaker 1: about the Phillies, and then it finally hit me. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's like five and five and a half hours away.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not a geography whiz, but people from the

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Speaker 1: other side of the country all just no idea. It's

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Speaker 1: all in Pennsylvania. That's like you know, saying to a

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Speaker 1: Bills fan, Oh, yeah, that's something about the Giants, like

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Speaker 1: they have not there's nothing, there's no correlation, no correlation

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Speaker 1: even Bengals Browns. I mean they're not the state, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little different than like Yankees Mets. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the answersting, Like for Philadelphia, Baltimore is a closer drive,

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Speaker 1: Washington is a closer Washington is actually closer than than

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Speaker 1: Baltimore if you map questioned, which is crazy. Uh, Buffalo

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Speaker 1: is closer, Cleveland's obviously closer, Cincinnati's closer. Yes, indian it's

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Speaker 1: like Indianapolis is just as far of a drive as

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Speaker 1: it is to Philadelphia. Indeed, of Pittsburgh's the same as

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to Philly. Yeah, people don't look at that one.

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Speaker 1: But you get to go by Don Raper whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Uh in Indie Indiana, it's much more interesting driving because

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Speaker 1: then I can tell him my Raper jokes. Why would

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Speaker 1: that guy not change his name? It wasn't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what he was, but there they got. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: heard Jim Gaffigan one time did a bit about the raps,

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Speaker 1: because is you driving as soon as you cross over

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Speaker 1: the Indiana the Indiana state line, it's as huge thing.

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Speaker 1: Like the guy owns an RV center, uh, the car dealership,

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Speaker 1: big deal apparently, but his last name is that's the

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Speaker 1: worst last name ever, not a good one. Your Philly

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Speaker 1: logic always reminds me of like when people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're from Chicago, you know, Bob, Like, yeah, no, my

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Speaker 1: mom does that because my wife from Philadelphia, and like

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Speaker 1: if she would mind, what moment from philip mom would

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Speaker 1: meet somebody from the Philadelphia area. Oh yeah, did you

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Speaker 1: know this? But like, this is not I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a very small town. This is not that. It's

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Speaker 1: not we went to pitt Johnstown together, you know, right, students. No,

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Speaker 1: this is not that. We should we talk about fotball

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Speaker 1: at something. We should probably do that. Uh, big night

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Speaker 1: again for the Steelers, Alan fanic weekend going into the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, the cap off the h five five

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Speaker 1: people going into the Hall of Fame. You're well aware

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Speaker 1: of having to write something up for all of them,

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty awesome situation. There's a lot of black

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Speaker 1: and golden canon it really. Yeah, it was not nearly,

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Speaker 1: not quite as much yesterday as there was the day before. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the I mean Saturday was rocket Indianapolis was the the

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Speaker 1: Colts with Peyton Manning were the that was the headliner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was the headliner. Yesterday and and of course there

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Speaker 1: were some Raiders fans there for Charles Raiders, Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: Broncos were pretty well represented over the weekend. I mean

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Speaker 1: nothing compared to the Steelers, but they were well represented. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but a big weekend. Alan Fantica capping it off with

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Speaker 1: his speech last night, good stuff from him. And you

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Speaker 1: know people are already asking, well, who's the next Steeler

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Speaker 1: to go in, Like, yeah, who is It's it's Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the only guy. People are pushing for Elsie Greenwood as

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Speaker 1: well and have been for years. And he would have

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Speaker 1: to go in through the Senior Committee, which makes it

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Speaker 1: the sea. He kind of missed that huge run and

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Speaker 1: that was his big chance. Had they expanded that class

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Speaker 1: to to say, twenty five for the centennial class, he

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Speaker 1: probably gets in. Okay, quick question for you, because we

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Speaker 1: official stat and what's seventy nine or eighty or something. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and so all of el C's in the seventies weren't registered,

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Speaker 1: and I remember you were talking about this saying Deacon

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Speaker 1: Jones is like second on the list if you do

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Speaker 1: the unofficial sacks as well, because he always bragged about that.

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Speaker 1: And no one threw the ball back then, which is

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Speaker 1: I remember Elsie was kind of high on the list

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Speaker 1: to begin with and seventy eight career sacks. I know

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Speaker 1: what you're I know where you're having. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: giving you time to look it up, which is not

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Speaker 1: quite like he has a half sack less than Leroy Selman.

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Speaker 1: Who's in? Who's in? But Selman was a tremendous player

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Speaker 1: and he only played eight years, like he had Elsie

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Speaker 1: was only eight years. No, No, Selman seven eight half

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Speaker 1: it was a different era, Like Joe Green has seventy

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Speaker 1: seven and a half career sacks. Yeah. That's the other

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Speaker 1: the other guys getting to the quarter. Yeah, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so you're you're kind of fighting. It's not like you

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be difficult. Um, I know, veterans

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Speaker 1: It's funny we had that conversation as we as we

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Speaker 1: were walking around whatever day. It was just about how

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Speaker 1: the game has changed. Maybe we're walking back to the

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Speaker 1: car yesterday and talking about the receiving numbers, how they've changed. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the pass rush numbers have changed dramatically, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: and again Pro Football Reference has gone back to nineteen sixty, yes,

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Speaker 1: and recorded because they had all the they had all

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Speaker 1: the game films. So somebody think about that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: went back and marked down every sack, went back through

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Speaker 1: guess you could go a lot of players without seeing

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Speaker 1: many of it shows that Deacon Jones might be the

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Speaker 1: best pass rushure ever. Yeah, I mean times a game

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Speaker 1: back then, I mean the rules are the rules. He

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Speaker 1: is twelfth all time in sacks, yeahs hundred thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Jason Taylor just went into the Hall of Fame, Huntred

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Speaker 1: and thirty nine and a half. Um. You know you're

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of Ed Freeney. You didn't mention

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Speaker 1: Von Miller's got a hundred and six. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Hall of Famer at somebody someday. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you start looking at these guys that had over

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Speaker 1: up next year. Said. There's a ton of them coming up,

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Speaker 1: starting with Peppers and where. And these guys we talked

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Speaker 1: about Allen because they've started putting up these big sack numbers,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden. Kevin Green was part

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Speaker 1: add up pretty quickly. Oh yeah, right, because they're throwing

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Speaker 1: to figure out. I mean J. J. Watt now has

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Speaker 1: over a hundred sacks. He's got Yeah, he's got a

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Speaker 1: it's not a Hall of fame. It's not a Hall

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Speaker 1: of famer, though, bright sacks ain't what it used to be.

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Speaker 1: of Fame. I mean think about just his his resume.

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Speaker 1: You're one he played one game and didn't you know

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Speaker 1: he sat the three years since, he's been in the

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Speaker 1: ANFC Championship in two Super Bowls, right, and it was

427
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Speaker 1: D four jumping off sides away from me in three

428
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Speaker 1: straight Super Bowls. League MVP has a ring. Is the

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Speaker 1: best player in this position. I mean, his resume is

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Speaker 1: not enough yet, but is on a rocket ship to it.

431
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Speaker 1: Forty six career starts, his touchdown, the interception ratio is

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Speaker 1: one fourteen to twenty four. Yeah, it's pretty good, pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the highlight tape isn't bad either. Number two on his

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Speaker 1: list is Quentin Nelson. I guess. I guess he's not

435
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Speaker 1: as good as fan of Ken Hutchinson. I would say

436
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Speaker 1: I think he's a smidge overrated because the league is

437
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Speaker 1: really hurting for star offensive lineman. Like with this conversation

438
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Speaker 1: yesterday they were in era. People talk about him like

439
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Speaker 1: he's John Hannah, for God's sake, and he's great, and

440
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: he's young, and if I were to build a team

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Speaker 1: around the guard, he'd be my pick at his age

442
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I don't think he's Larry Allen,

443
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Speaker 1: you know, or Hannah or one of these type of guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, like we were talking about that ere yesterday

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Speaker 1: of Ogden Basselli caase Walter Jones, and I think that

446
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: hurt Boselli a little bit. You know, like those guys

447
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Speaker 1: are better than any any offensive lineman a league right now.

448
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Speaker 1: You know, they're They're just it's not really a golden

449
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: age of offensive linemen. Yeah. I mean, Quentin Nelson is good,

450
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. He's the best guard in the

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Speaker 1: league right now. But he's not. I mean, if you

452
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Speaker 1: were ranking all time guards, he's down the list. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's not at the my Homes level. And we just

454
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Speaker 1: saw how long it took Hutchinson and Fantica to get

455
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Speaker 1: into the They both had to wait several years to

456
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Speaker 1: get in because of the position that they I mean

457
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Speaker 1: at that position, you can't at that position, you have

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Speaker 1: to have longevity. Yeah, you know, like Basselli might get

459
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Speaker 1: in there's a tackle which is a little more high profile,

460
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Speaker 1: you know, but if he needs to play eight more years, yeah,

461
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, it stays stay healthy. Uh. Jalen Ramsey is

462
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: agree transcendent player, special talent, early draft pick, awesome everywhere

463
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Speaker 1: he's been. I've been two spots, but I think he's

464
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Speaker 1: the best corner in the league. To t J. Watt

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Speaker 1: on this, I was wondering if his name would pop up. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: we were talking about sacks. He's got forty nine and

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Speaker 1: a half in four years, Like he'll probably get the

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Speaker 1: hundred maybe in the next three years. Right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: if he continues at the pace that he's been. He's

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Speaker 1: playing seventeen games a year. Right, No, I think he's

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Speaker 1: on that list. His last guy on there's Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that one. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: an early m v P. His winning percentage is insane.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have a lot of playoff wins, you know, unlike

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Speaker 1: Mahomes Ma Homes is one a few every game every

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Speaker 1: year or um. I think Lamar easily could. But he's

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Speaker 1: thirty and seven as a starter. Now that's a team status.

478
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Speaker 1: But he's the first player to have five thousand yards

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Speaker 1: passing in rushing yards in the first three years of

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Speaker 1: his career. Well, five thousand yards passing in your first

481
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Speaker 1: three years isn't that big over a three year span?

482
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Speaker 1: Is nothing rushing like he's I mean, he has to

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Speaker 1: hold up. That's gonna be the issue with him, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's something I'm sure that the Ravens are wrestling

485
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Speaker 1: with right now. Of course, when they're talking contract with

486
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Speaker 1: this guy, you know, well, day Lamar, we love you,

487
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Speaker 1: we love what you do, but what you do is

488
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Speaker 1: not conducive to you getting a long term contract. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the same you know, the the analytics people

490
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Speaker 1: say you don't pay running backs. We should you pay

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Speaker 1: a running quarterback that's taking a lot of hits. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember having this conversation about Cam Newton

493
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Speaker 1: five years ago, like he's thirty two and he's breaking down, Right,

494
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Speaker 1: do we want to reel him in to extend his

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Speaker 1: career or do you just let Cam be Cam and

496
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Speaker 1: realize he's not going to have he's not gonna play

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Speaker 1: to his thirty eight problem. I mean, this is this

498
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Speaker 1: is what people used to talk about with Roethlisberger. He's

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Speaker 1: taken too many sacks, he's not gonna play his career.

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Speaker 1: Steelers had that conversation, and they had that and they adjusted, hey,

501
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Speaker 1: we gotta protect Ben. We want him to play longer

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Speaker 1: into his career. And it worked, and it worked. You know,

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Speaker 1: as much as people want to say, well Todd Hailey

504
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: was this Todd Haley, that Todd Hailey extended Ben Roethlisberger's career.

505
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Speaker 1: That's right brought in, which is why he would have

506
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Speaker 1: changed the way they played. I know it's not quite

507
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Speaker 1: apples to apples, but Michael Vick isn't even in the

508
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Speaker 1: consideration for Hall of Fame correct and what he was doing,

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Speaker 1: what Lamar did before Lamar, the first four years of

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Speaker 1: Cunningham is not right in Hall of Fame consideration. And

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Speaker 1: he was that guy, right, I mean, super dynamic, one

512
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Speaker 1: of the best players in their position when they were right.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't put together Hall of Fame careers, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean Vick's first year or wow, right, you know

515
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And you know you see that. You know,

516
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Speaker 1: obviously people in Pittsburgh are familiar with Cordell Stewart and

517
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Speaker 1: you saw, you saw a couple of years where he

518
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Speaker 1: was you know, he had the numbers, you know, the

519
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Speaker 1: obviously ninety seven, two thousand one, he was the team MVP,

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl player, But the years in between there

521
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Speaker 1: are more like what happens to some of the running quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: the you know r G three's and guys that the shelf.

523
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Speaker 1: But the shelf life for those guys is completely different.

524
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Speaker 1: The lifespan is completely different. Who's proven they can play

525
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Speaker 1: twelve years doing that? I mean Vick Vick did, but

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Speaker 1: there was some time off in between. He wasn't the

527
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Speaker 1: same guy when he came back. Still dangerous as a runner,

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Speaker 1: but not I mean even when he came to Philly.

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Speaker 1: Steve Young comes into the Yeah, but he changed too.

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Speaker 1: I mean he could on no doubt, but he was

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Speaker 1: a great passer. Yeah, Walls changed them, you know what

532
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like who's done it that? They were a

533
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Speaker 1: lot and scares me a little bit with Josh Allen too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know. I can't put Lamar

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Speaker 1: in that list yet. I mean there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys on the Lamar here where you could say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you do it for ten more years, great, and

538
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks have to win. I um, you know, I

539
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Speaker 1: saw I was watching We're watching we got Good Morning

540
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: Football on and they were talking about the same subject

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Speaker 1: and one of them brought up Chase Young, Like, you

542
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: can't he's played one season in the league. Come on

543
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: that that's he has a talent. I mean, he has

544
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Speaker 1: the you know, it wouldn't blow me away. If he ends,

545
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Speaker 1: it's like putting Trevor Lawrence on that list. He hasn't

546
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Speaker 1: thrown an NFL pass like Zilon Williamson or somebody like

547
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Speaker 1: you've done. You played one playoff game and you were

548
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Speaker 1: a rookie of the year that they did bring up

549
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: make a Fitzpatrick though, that's a possibility if he continues

550
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Speaker 1: to put you know, put up you know five and

551
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the more you know, you put up five over six

552
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: interceptions every year over over the span of you can

553
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: have a lot of interceptions by the end of your career.

554
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Speaker 1: And I don't care what position you are. If you're

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Speaker 1: this is the A B argument. If you're one of

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Speaker 1: the very best at your position for five years, let

557
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Speaker 1: alone the best. Let ye right. And if you're at

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Speaker 1: the top of the list or in the conversation for

559
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Speaker 1: best at your position for a handful of years and

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Speaker 1: the year or two before that, in the year or

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Speaker 1: two after that, you're still a pro bowler, that's hard

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Speaker 1: to keep you out. And in the middle of that,

563
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Speaker 1: what about Derrick Henry. I think he's yes, I think

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, if he's if his career ended right now,

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Speaker 1: probably not, probably not a couple more years of doing

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Speaker 1: what you know, even just back to back whenness, even

567
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Speaker 1: just compiling some stats here the next couple of years.

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00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I think his freakiness helps a little bit too. But

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Speaker 1: the early part of his career hurts him though. I

570
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: mean Dion Lewis cause may snaps as he did to

571
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Speaker 1: start his career, and believe it or not, I mean

572
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Speaker 1: it looks a little crazy as we speak now. But

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Speaker 1: I mean Henry's last few years, yes, I think so.

574
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Speaker 1: He's a standout player, different than the norm. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think it helps if you're not the cookie cutter. M.

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Speaker 1: He has three in five seasons in the NFL, he

577
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Speaker 1: has three thousand yards seasons. Okay, uh, he has five thousand,

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards. Now, remember he had two thousand

579
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Speaker 1: of those last year. But in the last two years

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Speaker 1: he's won the rushing title. Yeah, I think he might

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Speaker 1: need to. He might do more good years. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean two more thousand yard years. Might be the man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean because he doesn't have the receiving numbers. I

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Speaker 1: mean er, he's got seventy six catches in five years, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he'll get ten this year. You know. There's a

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Speaker 1: couple of backs like Zeke Elliott's on a pace and

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Speaker 1: he's still he just turned twenty four or five. Um

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Speaker 1: about like Kamara and McCaffrey, they've got pretty good you know, works,

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Speaker 1: especially Kamara because McCaffrey. It's really because I just thinking

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Speaker 1: running backs of this era. You know people people used

591
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: to ding Jerome Bettis when his name came up late

592
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Speaker 1: in the school. He was just hanging on at the

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Speaker 1: end of his career. Most backs are yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: not every back of Petersons. Not everybody's Barry Sanders, you know,

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Speaker 1: right right, I mean I think Gore and Peterson both

596
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: go in. They've been hangers on forever. Yeah, you know,

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: it just people don't invest in older guys. It doesn't

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00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: mean he can't play, but it makes it tough anybody

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Speaker 1: else in that under thirty list that you look at.

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Speaker 1: I bet there's a ton um I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: of running backs. Actually, actually pull up one name for

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Speaker 1: me because I mentioned this guy a lot as a

603
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and he's not the best in the league.

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Mike Evans came in the league remarkably young,

605
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Speaker 1: and it's just been super consistent every step of the way.

606
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: He just got a ring last year. He probably has

607
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Speaker 1: five eight more years if he wants. Like, receivers are

608
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna be tough in this year because numbers are ruber

609
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: compared to everybody else. But I think that's like the

610
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Speaker 1: beginning of a Hall of Fame career. He's got five

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Speaker 1: two catches. He's twenty seven years right, um, eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: two sixty six years. My question with him is is

613
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Speaker 1: he going to be durable enough? But well, you gotta

614
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Speaker 1: stand the test of time. But I mean he does

615
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: it year after year. He because he's played he's played

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Speaker 1: seven years in the league. He's only played all sixteen

617
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Speaker 1: games three times. There's he's always seen. He's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that's always seemingly nick Yeah. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Davante Adams is a guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you look at I mean, I mean the

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Speaker 1: receivers in general. Yeah, like I think, well I get

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Speaker 1: some of them. Rolder, the Hopkins of the world, I

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Speaker 1: think go And obviously Julio O'Dell is no longer on

624
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Speaker 1: that stretchy. I mean he was very much the injuries.

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00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, three years ago he would have been on

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Speaker 1: that list, at the top of the list. Um try.

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00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean I could probably come up with fifteen names.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there kind of scanning teams in my head. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean some of these corners, like it's way too

630
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: early to say, like Davis White or you know Lattimore

631
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Speaker 1: or something. I mean, the corners are a little up

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Speaker 1: and down year to year, and you gotta do it

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Speaker 1: five six years in a row. Obviously Aaron Donald, but

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Speaker 1: he's he's thirty now, so I mean he could quit

635
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: and be done. Yeah, yeah, he's in. Um, probably a

636
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: lot of edge rushers. I mean, if you're gonna say T. J. Watt,

637
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett can't be too far behind. Mm hmm. I

638
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: mean I think there's some no brainers that people don't

639
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: think are no brainers, Like Bobby Wagner. He's over thirty.

640
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's pat I mean he could quit

641
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: and be done. I think you know some of those

642
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: type of guys. Uh, just scanning teams in my head

643
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: here as we go. Kye Davante Adams to me has

644
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do too to be a yes,

645
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: and he's done great work lately, or even like Michael Thomas.

646
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Thomas is last well, last year did

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: not help help. I mean he's really only had the

648
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: like two great years and I think it's like three

649
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: or four. I mean, he came in the league at

650
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: a record setting pace, but then it dried up. Davante

651
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Adams says he's twenty eight, like Mike Evans, six career catches, yards,

652
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: sixty two touchdowns, the touchdownsdown last year. He's had four

653
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: years already in his career with double digit touchdowns, including

654
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: eight team last year. But he needs to do it

655
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: for four more years. Well, he needs to keep playing

656
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers and he's only one more tho, you know.

657
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: But even so, you're gonna put him with, you know,

658
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: some slappy quarterback and yeah, he's gonna be the number

659
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: one target. And but for how much longer? I mean

660
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: you think about receivers this year, I mean like Larry's going,

661
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: I think Hopkins is going. Julio's in again. This goes

662
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: back to our Hines word argument. All those guys are

663
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: head Award. Yeah, how about a J. Green? No, I

664
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: think he's in. I mean it's a bad taste in

665
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: your mouth lately, but I think he's a no. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 1: And I don't think he did it long enough, at

667
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: a high enough level, he just couldn't heat again the

668
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: injury issues with him, he played sixteen games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he did have some years with early in his career

670
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: four four years where he played sixteen games. But right

671
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: now he's thirty two and he's a six hundred career receptions. Yeah,

672
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna he's not gonna get many more. His

673
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: last two years have destroyed it. Yeah. Yeah, I think

674
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Speaker 1: he's a No. I mean, he'll be on the ballot

675
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: and they'll be a conversation, but I think he's a

676
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: now just another one of those Bengals who were the

677
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Good. But yeah, I think you know Atkins

678
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: is Hall of Good too. Yeah, but there'll be a

679
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: big push for those guys. There will be, you know,

680
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: just because but the big things you never won on

681
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: the big stage, that it's a big part of it

682
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: doesn't help at all, you know. So I'm just again,

683
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm scanning them. So yeah, I mean like Chris Jones,

684
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Oh he's got a shot. Yeah, you gotta keep it

685
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: up right, you know, and tribute on a good team.

686
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: He's in the I was thinking, actually some defensive tackles,

687
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: like he doesn't counts the under thirty group, but like

688
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, Barren, Donald's not there. He's probably the best

689
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: for a stretch, get some push, but it's tough for

690
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: defensive tackles to He did win a Super Bowl recently.

691
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: That helps. I think he'll be a good conversation. He's

692
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: a really good football player. But yeah, he might have

693
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: to rebound, have a really big year this year again

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00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: and not fade away on a bad team. On a

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00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: bad team. Yeah, I think Clio mack goes. You mentioned

696
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: von Miller before. Yeah, cliar Max not a long time

697
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: to get a Defensive Player of the Year award. Yeah,

698
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: that's hopeful. That helps, absolutely definitely helps. But let's take

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00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: another break. He is Matt When should I come with

700
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: a million other names? I didn't know we were going

701
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: down that road. You just go team by team. There's

702
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: a big group of the under thirties, and then there's

703
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: the probably are done, and then there's the might need

704
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: a little more guys, you know, but they all can't

705
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: get in. It goes back to our conversation in the

706
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: previous segment. You're only getting five a year. It makes

707
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: it tough, makes it difficult. Uh, he is Matt Williams

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00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: and I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to the Drive here

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take another break. We'll

710
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: be back with more right after this. When you want

711
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: black and gold football talk, you want s n R.

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Welcome back on Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson. It's

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00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: uh Monday morning here on the Drive and like we're

714
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers back of practice again today. They'll practice again

715
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow and then head to Philadelphia on Wednesday for the

716
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: game Thursday night. Um, Matt, I'm looking here at ESPNS

717
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: did come up with our first FPI Oh yeah, rankings

718
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: here which they what they put into their computer while

719
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: it kicks out but it spits out. Makes me wonder,

720
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Speaker 1: are some of these projections, some of these computer models,

721
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: are they overlooking the Steelers a little bit? Yeah, because

722
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I think there's some some unknowns. Yes, and everyone knows

723
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not analytically driven, but I really respect analytics. And

724
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of indicators over many, many years that

725
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: you're going to regress to the mean. If you, you know,

726
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: if you win a super high percentage of one score games,

727
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: if you recover all your fumbles, if your opponents miss

728
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of field goals. I mean things like this, yeah,

729
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: or if you're super injured one year, or you know,

730
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: like it probably won't happen again. But what they don't

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00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: account for, and I think seattles in this mold where

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00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: Seattle wins a very high percentage of their one score

733
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: games for five years in a row, and the Steelers

734
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: are really good at winning one score games. You know, like,

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00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: there's no analytics for what Tomlin ben culture bring to

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Speaker 1: the table. And I think that's a hard thing whenever

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00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: you spit these numbers out that. Okay, I know, I've

738
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: heard so many of these people that I respect, and

739
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't know more than I do a lot about analytics,

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00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And they'll say, I understand that Tomlin

741
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: has never had a winning season, but all my numbers

742
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: tell me this losing season, even though they won a

743
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: lot of games last just last year, they're gonna win

744
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: six or seven games this year. It's kind of like

745
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: you don't typically see in the NFL team win twelve

746
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: games one year and then go back to it's a

747
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: big It's the same reason you don't see a lot

748
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: of teams go from six wins to twelve. Absolutely, it's

749
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: really difficult to do. And that's that's another analytics nerdy

750
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: thing is that's the plexiglass principle. They call it, Like

751
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: if you're a five six twelve, you almost always go

752
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: to yeah, Like, no one takes that big a jump

753
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: in this league. You know, you don't get shock or

754
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, Duncan or Zion or somebody this falls in

755
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: your lap and all of a sudden, you know, you

756
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: get Sydney Crosby here and McDaid something. Because this is

757
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: sport and actually have a fifty three man sport where

758
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: every guy in your roster manners one player typically isn't

759
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna make Lawrence or whoever. They don't make that big

760
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: impact in your one. I mean, maybe what if the

761
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: Eagles traded for Deshaun Watson, maybe they could be a

762
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: team like that. I mean, but rarely does a huge

763
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Speaker 1: quarterback change teams. So history shows if you take a

764
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: big jump, usually you go backwards. So to my point,

765
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: and the same thing is true the other way. You know,

766
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: like it's rare that the Steelers would be a winning

767
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: organization for that many years and then could lose five

768
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: more games than the one the year before. Like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen that way, and generally speaking, because these guys

770
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Speaker 1: know how to win right, there's something there's for knowing

771
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Speaker 1: how to win. It was one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: you looked at the Browns the last couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: You have to learn how to win, right, And I

774
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: think that's a head coaching and slash organization thing. And

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00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: I fear that they did for the first time since

776
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Speaker 1: they've been back. And I look around the league. I

777
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: know that there's ten head coaches in this league that

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00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: know how to win, the Tomlins and Carols and whatever,

779
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: and I think there's another five to ten that might

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00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: or learning, you know, like I'm much sure Shanahan, And

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Speaker 1: I mean I think McVeigh does you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those guys are young, They've won some games, Shannon is

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00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: only one good year. Here are the the f p

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00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: i s according to ESPN teams most likely to win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Kansas City at they're the leader, Tampa

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00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Bay at Tampa is pretty strong, Buffalo at nine, I

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Speaker 1: agree with them being third, Green Bay at six. I

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00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: think the NFC is a lot easier than the a

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Speaker 1: f C, so they have an easier path. Green Bay's

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Speaker 1: at six, Baltimore is at six, San Francisco's at six. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't Baltimore to me is the best of those

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Speaker 1: three teams, but they're in the A F E and

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00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: that's a tougher path. Cleveland is at five percent, as

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00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: are the Rams and the Seahawks. I don't think of

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Seahawks are in that neighborhood. It's a little rich on

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00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: the Browns, but they wouldn't be far off of that.

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00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: And then the team that's the other team that's on

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Speaker 1: the list is a top ten is Tennessee at three.

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Speaker 1: I don't see the Titans as a Super Bowl comit either.

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Speaker 1: I think their defense will still be really bad. Like

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Speaker 1: I saw those two teams played last year, the Steelers

802
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: and the Titans. The Steelers were clearly the better team

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Speaker 1: for most of that game. The Titans were at home.

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00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: They came storming back, but the Steelers dominated the first

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00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, three quarters of that game. Yeah, and

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00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: the Titans offense is a chance to be really good.

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00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: They lost their offense coordinator. Chance to be really good

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Speaker 1: at the chance? Well, you think Leo Jones play seventeen games?

809
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Because I sure don't know. Do you think a J.

810
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: Brown plays seventeen games, because I sure don't his his

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Speaker 1: history has shown that he misses just because of the

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00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: physics Stalley Place. Do you think Derrick Henry can hold

813
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: up under seventeen games and get another He's already bucking

814
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: the trend here with back seasons with four touches. History

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00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: shows and I know he's a physical freak. But the

816
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: injury is coming with him, right, No, it's bound to.

817
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: I worry a lot more about the defense in the

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Speaker 1: offense and the defense. Defense was horrible last year, and

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00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: they did a lot to change it, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they made it a lot better. It's the same

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Speaker 1: argument that people use with the Steelers offensive line. Well,

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00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: their offensive line was horrible last year and they made

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Speaker 1: all these changes. We don't know if it's gonna be

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00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: any good, but you but you go. You think that

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00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: the that you addressed the problem though you think the

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Speaker 1: Titans defense is gonna be better. It's the same thing

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Speaker 1: with the Browns. You think the Brown's defense is going

828
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: to be better based on hope, and in all three

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00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: of those aspects they have nowhere to go but up.

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Speaker 1: They probably will be better. Um, but it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna be good, you know, it doesn't mean

832
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna be above average. I don't know if the tent out,

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00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: if the Titans are a super Bowl contender. I just

834
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Speaker 1: I think that because the Steelers didn't replace the guys

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00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: that they lost with household names, established players, they're getting

836
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: they're getting overlooked on all these things. And yet you

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Speaker 1: watch Alex Highsmith playing in the preseason opener and he

838
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: just continues to do what he did throughout training throughout

839
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Speaker 1: training camp thus far, You're like, he looks pretty good.

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00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: You know. I know this is probably a different topic

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00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: for a different segment, but I believe if we were

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00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: a year from now, when we're talking about the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna say Kendrick Green and Josh Dotson are foundational,

844
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: long term Kevin Dunson what I call him, Josh, that's

845
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: that's yeah, Washington receiver. I think we're gonna talk about

846
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: those guys like they're multi contracts Steelers, eight to ten

847
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: year starters answers, you know. And I think I think

848
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: you could end up seeing that with one of the tackles,

849
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: at least one of the tackles. Yeah, yeah, Well, I

850
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: mean we'll see. But I'm very confident for the future

851
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: of the center left guard position, you know where. I mean,

852
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: if people analyzing the team, you couldn't be now, I

853
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: mean I understand that, but um, I don't know about Tennessee. Um, really,

854
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: what's the difference between the Titans and Dallas. Dallas's offense

855
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: probably right, I mean, their defense was horrendous, but their

856
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: path in the division isn't much much harder. Yeah, I think,

857
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I look at it and

858
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: they're complete. Uh, they have their complete rankings here and

859
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Steelers come in. One of my problem with those kind

860
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: of rankings too, in everybody does it because the best

861
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: way to do them is run ten thousand simulations, but

862
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: everybody ends up really close to eight and eight. And

863
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: that's not how the league works. You know, Like, if

864
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: you run enough simulations, you have some year that Brady

865
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: gets hurt and Tampa wins five games. But every year

866
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: in a seventeen game schedule has always been say team,

867
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: somebody wins two, three, four. But in these like if

868
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: you're a six win team projection, that's horrible. But the

869
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: league doesn't work that way. Someone's gonna win fourteen. But

870
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking here at their win projections, and

871
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: they have the Steelers projected for eight point two wins

872
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: this year, which is nineteen best in the league. Right,

873
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: like that, you would have bottom half of the league.

874
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: But you look lately below at Kansas City comes in

875
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: with eleven and a half wins. The worst team is

876
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: Houston with five wins. They're not gonna win five. Yeah,

877
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: you got Detroit at five point nine and the Jets

878
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: at six point four. Those are your bottom three teams.

879
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: There's no way in hell the worst three teams in

880
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: the league. When when five and six games, right right, Yeah,

881
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: the top three picks in the draft will not accumulate

882
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: sixteen wins between them the same win. There's no way

883
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: in hell than in a seventeen game season, the team

884
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: with the best record has eleven wins this year, right,

885
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean eleven and six isn't going to be the

886
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: number one seed. You know, people were talking about the

887
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: Steelers team last year. You know they're they're gonna be bad.

888
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: They got win twelve games again, just as we started

889
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: the conversation. You don't typically go from twelve wins to

890
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: six or seven. No, it's it's very rare. I mean,

891
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: you could have a disaster season. But that's the thing

892
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: that these don't account for, is two or three teams

893
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: are going to have a disaster season, you know, like

894
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: let's say the Bears or some team that you have.

895
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: It could be the Steelers, but I mean they're a

896
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: little more a foundation than some of these other ones.

897
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: Someone that has seven or eight wind projection that gets

898
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: hit hardness by injuries in the whole league, well they're

899
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna be picking in the top five probably, you know

900
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's going to happen to someone

901
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: where just as a you know, if you look at

902
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: what happened to the Falcons last year, right exactly, just

903
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: for example, you know, three flukey losses in the beginning

904
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: of the year that you're like, I can't believe that happened.

905
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: The fourth pick in the draft, fifth pick in the draft, right,

906
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: It just happens. It happens every year, and some of

907
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: those teams are bound to rebound more, but that they're

908
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna have good teams finished low, but it's still rare

909
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: for Seattle Pittsburgh. I always bring up the Patriots. Last year.

910
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: That Patriot roster was horrendous. The projection for the Patriots

911
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: is nine point three wins, which is actually just outside

912
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: the top ten. That's just behind Seattle based on what

913
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: their certain strength of schedules. I get the strength of

914
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: schedules bad, but but the roster is not. Like they

915
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: spent a bunch of money this offseason and they brought

916
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: back some names. Oh yeah, but are they any good?

917
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: I think we disagree a little on the Patriot Nelson.

918
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: They spent money in Nelson, Aguilar. I don't want to

919
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: hear anything about the like you spent money on Nelson

920
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: freaking Aguilar, like big money where they gave money to

921
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: the Niners guy who they gave thirty million dollars to

922
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: two receivers who born who wouldn't be in the Steelers

923
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: top five. Agree. That's a different conversation though. To me,

924
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: I think their their off season was very foolish. They

925
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: spent You can't tell me that offense is gonna be

926
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: any better than it was last year. Oh, I think

927
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: you'll be better than last year. I think the quarterback

928
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: play has to be better. Newton is shot Cam Newton

929
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: hasn't had a good season in four At least they

930
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: have a backup plan now. Okay, so they put through

931
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: a rookie in there. I mean, he gonna be receivers

932
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: and now you've at least two tight ends. I mean,

933
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: I think they're passing games would be amongst the worst

934
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: in the league. I just think their offenses it was offcious.

935
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: They had six touchdown passes in a game season. Well,

936
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be better than that, is my point. Okay,

937
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: but it's still one of the worst offenses in the league.

938
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: I agree with that. So you can't say they're gonna

939
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: be much better this year. But the offense stinks. Yes,

940
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: the defense is solid, but you're telling me there their

941
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: offense is gonna better than Pittsburgh's. No, I don't think

942
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: it is. So Pittsburgh's defense is better, right, agreed? Okay,

943
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: So how are the Steelers markedly worse than the Patriots

944
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: other than the strength of schedule? Schedule is big. I'm

945
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: gonna get that site Football Siders on this one. Offense stinks.

946
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: The Football Ciders projection in their book has the Steelers

947
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: and Patriots almost dentical. You know a lot of questions

948
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: on offense. Um great defenses. They those guys do factor

949
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: in history. This These teams know how to win. They

950
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: give them some benefits of doubt along those lines. You know,

951
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots are always in the top five and in

952
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: special teams, so they think they'll be better on special

953
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: teams in Pittsburgh or most teams. And they really said,

954
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: if they played the equal schedule, we would have the

955
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: exact same win total for the Patriots and Steelers. I

956
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: heard Aaron Shots talking about this. He's a big Patriot,

957
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: I actually, and he's like, but we have the Patriots

958
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: winning like a game and a half more because the

959
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: Steelers scheduled brutal. You know, that's outside their control. I mean,

960
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: and we don't know what you know, these opponents will

961
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: look like in week twelve. But I do think strength

962
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: to schedule something that's valid, and the Steelers have a

963
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: really tough one. No, I get that, but I just

964
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: don't like. I just hear a lot of you know,

965
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: national Patriots look really good this year, and they're they're

966
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: not good. See, I think they're off. Last year weren't good.

967
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: I think the crap schedule. I know, we gotta get

968
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: out of here, but this the two thousand twenty Patriots

969
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: were very similar to the two thousand nineteen Steelers to me,

970
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: seven nine, eight and eight. Brady's gone gone. They don't

971
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: have Ben Roethlisberger coming back. They don't. They've got the

972
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: ghost of Cam Newton in a rookie quarterback. Agreed, but

973
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: we don't. Ben's not Ben either, I mean Ben's Newton.

974
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I agree they have a

975
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: better they have a better offense. I do think that.

976
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: But anyways, we gotta take a break. He is Matt Williamson.

977
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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our two right

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Speaker 1: after this