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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Joe Thomas, NFL Network analyst, former Browns All

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Speaker 1: prooffensive tackle and future Hall of Famer, joining a show

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Speaker 1: on the program. Can the lineman getssion concussions? How often

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Speaker 1: do you guys get concussions? You don't get the big

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Speaker 1: hit from like the side of the head, which a

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Speaker 1: lot of times is where you get the concussion, or

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Speaker 1: when you get tackled in your head kind of slams

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Speaker 1: against the turf. So I think for the most part,

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Speaker 1: offensive defensive linemen are less concussed overall than other other positions.

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Speaker 1: But I think what we get is those subconcussive blows,

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Speaker 1: which are actually the ones that are more detrimental long term.

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Speaker 1: So when we were working with the NFLPA and talking

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Speaker 1: about like how do we reduce the amount of long

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Speaker 1: term brain injury that NFL players get, the number one

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Speaker 1: thing that our doctors highlighted was those practice subconcussive hits

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Speaker 1: that linemen are constantly banging into each other twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: forty times every single day. And so I think removing

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Speaker 1: those is really the biggest thing. But as far as

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Speaker 1: like big concussions, you don't see that as much as

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Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lineman. Do you know the protocol that

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Speaker 1: you have an independent doctor who would have looked at

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and determine whether he had a concussion or not.

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Speaker 1: Who looks at Patrick Mahomes during the week Is that

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Speaker 1: the independent doctor or is it an independent doctor who

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Speaker 1: comes into the facility and he is the one that

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Speaker 1: is supposed to clear the player? Now it's in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: When I was there, it was the same guy from

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Speaker 1: Cleveland that always came in, but he was separate from

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Speaker 1: the team. So there was some at least appearance of

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Speaker 1: independence when it comes to clearing the player, as far

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Speaker 1: as it wasn't directly a team paid doctor. What did

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Speaker 1: you take away from the Browns in Chiefs that game

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Speaker 1: that if you had questions about, let's start with the Chiefs, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the one question or biggest question you have, assuming

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is going to play this weekend? Well, I think defensively,

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Speaker 1: how are they going to be able to limit Josh Allen?

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Speaker 1: Because I think Josh Allen has been playing really good.

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Speaker 1: He's playing his best football right now in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs defense has been okay, And I think

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Speaker 1: the big question mark for that defense is how good

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Speaker 1: can they be in the red zone because the Bills

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Speaker 1: are going to get into the red zone a lot,

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Speaker 1: and if they're converting a lot of those red zone

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Speaker 1: trips into touchdowns instead of field goals. I know that

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Speaker 1: the Chief's offense is fantastic, but they have a history

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Speaker 1: of keeping games close and a lot of times those

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Speaker 1: sevens and threes in the red zone is the difference

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Speaker 1: when the game is all said and done. But explain

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Speaker 1: that to me of how Kansas City keeps allowing teams

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Speaker 1: to stay in games. They win these games, but you

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Speaker 1: know this is less than a touchdown difference in what

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Speaker 1: their last eight wins. Yeah, I think it just comes

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Speaker 1: down to the nature of their offense. Right. They're a

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Speaker 1: real high flying offense, which means they can score really quickly.

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Speaker 1: But it also means that teams are going to try

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Speaker 1: to limit the number of possessions going back and forth

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Speaker 1: because they don't want Patrick Mahomes to have the ball

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Speaker 1: a ton, so they're going to play that kind of

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Speaker 1: small ball. They're going to squeeze the football, try to

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Speaker 1: limit the number of possessions back and forth and that

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Speaker 1: a lot of times has a way of keeping games close,

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Speaker 1: especially on offense when you're a team like the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: just throw, throw, throw, throw throw. Also, you know you

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Speaker 1: were there to be able to watch Patrick Mahomes. It

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Speaker 1: looked like he was out on his feet. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that injury if it's a compressed nerve or neck injury,

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Speaker 1: like how long does that linger? And could it linger

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Speaker 1: longer than a concussion would well, obviously you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of concerns when you're talking about nerves because you

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Speaker 1: soon as you get to the sideline. And I think

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Speaker 1: once we heard that it was maybe some type of

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Speaker 1: as soon as it happened, it looked like he had

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Speaker 1: then it kind of made a little bit more sense

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Speaker 1: because when you get some nerve issue in your leg,

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully for NFL fans, for Chiefs fans, this

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Speaker 1: really quickly, and it wasn't actually a big type concussion

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Speaker 1: that's going to knock him out for any length of time.

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Speaker 1: He's Joe Thomas. He worked for the NFL network. He

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Speaker 1: used to be the Cleveland Browns All prooffensive tackle. Should

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Speaker 1: the Browns extend Baker Mayfield this offseason, I think they

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Speaker 1: should try for sure. Baker definitely proved himself that he

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Speaker 1: little bit of like what we saw in year two

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Speaker 1: And I think he also showed that he is the

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Speaker 1: He can be the leader of this franchise in the

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Speaker 1: the dollars and cents sometimes are a little bit tough

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Speaker 1: to agree to when you're talking quarterback money because certainly

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Speaker 1: Baker's agent is going to ask for more than Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes got, because that's just the nature of the business,

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Speaker 1: right when you're a young franchise, all potential player, especially

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, you're always going to try to

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Speaker 1: reset the market. But there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: of challenging issues with this contract because obviously hasn't had

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Speaker 1: the success that Patrick Mahomes has had, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: two three four percent every offseason. So it's easier to

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Speaker 1: ask for more money than the last guy because of inflation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Joe, I got to see another year. You know,

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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta wait a little bit. There's no way

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Speaker 1: get a team friendly deal. Then I would look at it.

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Speaker 1: But I look at these teams like the Rams, if

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Speaker 1: du over. I can't rush into this here. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of somebody else's hiding behind Rocks.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the important thing is you engage him,

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Speaker 1: Team Friendly. You know that's still going to be an

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Speaker 1: but just getting something towards the top. But why does

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Speaker 1: everybody have to get more? Joe? I don't under nobody

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Speaker 1: one forever. Like at some point somebody's going to make

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Speaker 1: more money than Patrick. Who is going to be more

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Speaker 1: But nobody should be making more than Patrick Mahomes makes

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Speaker 1: during this contract. Well, the Patrick Mahomes signed a ten

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Speaker 1: to look like he was probably underpaid. And it's probably

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Speaker 1: not too far down the line because if he continues

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Speaker 1: That contract is we're gonna go. Man, they only have

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Speaker 1: be underpaid. But there's only one Mahomes there. I like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dak Prescott is not Patrick Mahomes. So I

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Speaker 1: what rolled is that play in Baker's development? You got

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Speaker 1: say to Baker, we let's go in with both. You know,

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Speaker 1: Like if you're a Cleveland bounce faster, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: we got all these good young players that we want

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be a few years removed. We're going to

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Speaker 1: assume the salary CAP's gonna bounce back up, and then

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Speaker 1: sooner you do those deals, history shows us, the better

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Speaker 1: and competing, I mean, talent was out of this world.

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Speaker 1: We let go some guys early on in training camp

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Speaker 1: there like you can play on anybody's roster. So we

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Speaker 1: knew it was gonna happen the ball club when that happened,

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Speaker 1: and then we started getting to the games and we

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Speaker 1: started get our feet rolling and we was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we can do this thing. But we had a little

435
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Speaker 1: spot there in the middle, and then we started rolling.

436
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Speaker 1: We capped off one win after another win, and it's like, oh,

437
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Speaker 1: we find our groove now. So once we got our groove,

438
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Speaker 1: we were like, okay, let's let's get to the playoffs

439
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Speaker 1: and the playoffs game and here we are and this

440
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Speaker 1: it's like, man, we can do this thing. So we

441
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Speaker 1: always believe and we always have that notion of where

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Speaker 1: we're going to be in when all of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: the dust shuttle. But now to actually truly see it

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Speaker 1: come to fruition. All our hard work and all our

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Speaker 1: dedication that we put into you know, the field and

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Speaker 1: the craft and the ship that we was able to

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Speaker 1: obtain with all the pieces, you know, we put a

448
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: staying together. You gotta give your hats and created off

449
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Speaker 1: to Brandon Bean and Sean during for making such a

450
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Speaker 1: team man, because they compiled a lot of guys from

451
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Speaker 1: different places to come on and be a supporting cast

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Speaker 1: to the guys that's already here. What's like when you're

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Speaker 1: facing Mahomes and you know he's in a rhythm. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, when a guy like that is in a rhythm,

455
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to you know, game plan for it.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to get out there and stop him.

457
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Speaker 1: But you know, we got players I feel like on

458
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Speaker 1: this team that um it's equipped for that and made

459
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Speaker 1: for that and really for these tough times. They come

460
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Speaker 1: through and they give us big plays game at the game,

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Speaker 1: somebody is stepping up and making a play for us,

462
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Speaker 1: and UM were evident of that last week with tearing

463
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Speaker 1: Jous with that one hundred and one of yard interception

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Speaker 1: return that was so big it was like a backbreaker

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Speaker 1: for them. So U we're lying on you know, our

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Speaker 1: keys are our teammates to make more plays. I think

467
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Speaker 1: when you play a guy like that, you can't really

468
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Speaker 1: let them, you know, get you off track of what

469
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Speaker 1: you do. You can't be so much concerned about what

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Speaker 1: he does. But we're so what you do and trying

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Speaker 1: to maintain that at all times. But are you more

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Speaker 1: concerned about Tyreek Hill or Jason Kelsey, Travis kel You

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Speaker 1: respect the players, but you don't you know, you don't

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Speaker 1: fear them. I think there's a respect the habit ration

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Speaker 1: there for sure, but there's no fear. Um. They have

476
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Speaker 1: to play us too, And at end of the day,

477
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Speaker 1: we played them before. They know we looked like and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, um we know what they look like. So hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna play a ball game. Ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: come down to you know, who can last long? It's

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Speaker 1: known sixty minutes and it's gonna be a great, great game.

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait for it. We already excited

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Speaker 1: to you. I wish we could play tomorrow. Actually they uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm anticipating that for sure. He's Josh Norman. They play

485
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs the AFC Championship game. That'll be at six

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Speaker 1: or forty eastern on CBS. When did you realize you

487
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Speaker 1: were a meme? When you got this stiff arm from

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Speaker 1: uh from Henry? I don't know, man, like I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't pretty much serting myself for such things. It's

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Speaker 1: a play that I actually go out there. Josh, Josh,

491
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Speaker 1: you're in the AFC title game. I figured I could

492
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Speaker 1: ask you and you might have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: fun that Derek Henry tossed you to the sidelines. I mean,

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Speaker 1: listen here, man, when you're going after the ball, you're

495
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Speaker 1: gonna get tossed regardless. Like it's just something that you

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Speaker 1: have a knack for it. For me, I don't look

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Speaker 1: at it from a standpoint of what people say after

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Speaker 1: the fact. I looked at it if I'm gonna actually

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Speaker 1: make that play, jourding the fact and then coming back

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Speaker 1: to blades later. We got out the field from place

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Speaker 1: that we've made. So I don't get too much caught

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Speaker 1: up into that, man, I don't. It's a laugh, it's

503
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Speaker 1: a joke. I mean, we're in society now. We like

504
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: to see the ooze and the odds and the glitz

505
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: and the GLAMs of the sport, and that's great. But

506
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Speaker 1: when you're out there, the only thing you're thinking about

507
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Speaker 1: is getting the opponent and getting the ball from him,

508
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Speaker 1: so I can care less. It was something to laugh about,

509
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Speaker 1: but now you know we're in the playoffs into a

510
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Speaker 1: championship and so and Derek is not in the AFC

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Speaker 1: title game. So hey, man, hey, look, respect to the man.

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Speaker 1: He has two thousand yards Russian Listen. That's hard to

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Speaker 1: do for anybody. Only eight people didn't. He did it,

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Speaker 1: So hey, hats off to him and everything they got gone.

515
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Speaker 1: So hey, and congratulations what you're doing with the Boys

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Speaker 1: and Girls Club of Crescent Region, South Carolina. And also

517
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Speaker 1: what you're doing in Buffalo Buffalo Business Blitz supporting small businesses.

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Speaker 1: So that's great, great, great things to be able to

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Speaker 1: be a part of. Oh. Absolutely, We opened a team

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Speaker 1: center in Greenwood, South Carolina, starts doing fourteen center down there.

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Speaker 1: And as you said, were part of the Boys and

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Speaker 1: Girls Club in America and they actlo the Crescent Region

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Speaker 1: and they actually helping us open up team center here

524
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Speaker 1: in February when all this is said and done, and

525
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Speaker 1: so when that happened, that's one of my biggest things

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Speaker 1: that I really wanted for myself from this tenure of

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Speaker 1: me being here in the league. It's just opened up

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Speaker 1: a team center for the kids out there in the

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Speaker 1: area they needed the most. And so the Buffalo Business

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Speaker 1: Blitz that we have going on now is helping out

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Speaker 1: small businesses and in Buffalo who was shut down during

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Speaker 1: the COVID sent time that we had during the off

533
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: season during the seasons, and we were just trying to

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Speaker 1: give a help to support to them. So this is

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Speaker 1: what we're doing our here. Let's get coastal Carolina versus Alabama. Josh,

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00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: why not? I was talking to Levi Wallace about there

537
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Speaker 1: locking what not? Hey, let's flash of Hey, let's flash

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Speaker 1: of Titans. Let's see what happens. Mo Money's own Coastal. Hey,

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00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Is always have fun in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. We appreciate your time as always. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys, and I think you have for having me

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Speaker 1: on and we'll catch you all again. Sue, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's Josh and Norman, the Bill's cornerback. Thanks for listening

544
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch

545
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six

546
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can

547
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream

548
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock app. Chris Webber NBA on

549
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: TNT Analyst. He was on the call for the Bucks

550
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: and the Nets last night on TNT. Next game Lakers

551
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: Bucks Thursday night at seven thirty Eastern, also on TNT. Oh,

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Speaker 1: look at you, mister Milwaukee Buck with your Milwaukee Bucks

553
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Speaker 1: T shirt on? Did you pay for that? No? Hey,

554
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: I got so many. I can wear all the teams

555
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Speaker 1: I was. I guess I was. I used to say

556
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Speaker 1: I wasn't superstitious, but I would never wear other teams.

557
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Now I take all the swag they give me. I

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Speaker 1: work out in it. So were the Pistons your favorite

559
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: team growing up? Yeah, by far, it was the Pistons,

560
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: and then it was the Pistons and the Lakers magic

561
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Speaker 1: being from Michigan. And then I hated Chicago and the

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Speaker 1: Celtics so much, but I really loved secretly. So it

563
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: was the tangle web back then. Well why did you

564
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: hate Boston? Well, remember, you know, back then you had

565
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Speaker 1: to go through certain teams. So back then, the Pistons

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Speaker 1: had to go through Boston. So, you know, I grew

567
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: up Hayton Dick Stockton because his voice came on. It

568
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: reminded me of the Celtics games. You know, you think

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00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: the commentators have something to do with the game, and

570
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: so Risdad turning it over. That's a crazy story. Well

571
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: we got whoopings that night because we went crazy running

572
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Speaker 1: through the house and Isaiah turned it over, and then

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Speaker 1: we beat the Celtics, got through them. You know, that's

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00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: when you see Kevin McHale giving Isaiah the pound, tell

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Speaker 1: them you better go win it, you better go win it.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah hurts itself and I guess forty four in the finals,

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Speaker 1: we lose to the Lakers. Good job magic, and then

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Speaker 1: we beat them the next two. So I hated the

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Speaker 1: Celtics because we had to go through them, and of

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00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: course just the Bulls just because Okay, but what was

581
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: that like when you're watching Isaiah throw the ball in,

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Speaker 1: Just get the ball in and you're gonna beat the

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Speaker 1: Celtics and Larry Bird, slowest guy on the floor, comes

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere and steals the ball, hits DJ for

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Speaker 1: the lab. It was crazy when I went. When I

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Speaker 1: played the Celtics the first time, I remember having like spreeing.

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00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Those guys picked me up and seriously, like, I know,

588
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Kyrie takes the stage and does that around, but I

589
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: really thought it had to be like a leper count

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Speaker 1: on top of those rims. I really thought back then.

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Speaker 1: It was something with the parquet floor that it was magic,

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Speaker 1: and so I just felt like, wow, come on, out

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Speaker 1: of out of all you know, the times that this

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Speaker 1: could happened. So and that was one of the worst

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Speaker 1: moments for me as a basketball fan. Were you a

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Speaker 1: Lions fan two growing up? Yeah? Wow, I remember going

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Speaker 1: to a friend's wedding and uh, all these uh Lions,

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Speaker 1: Uh you know we were there, and so yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was I was. I was a big Lions fan still.

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Speaker 1: You know, Billy SAMs and you know other players that

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Speaker 1: we've had during that time, even though we're most famously

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Speaker 1: known for being the only team where two Hall of

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Speaker 1: famers genera generational talents retired early rather than Calvin Johnson

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Speaker 1: and very sad they decided, you know what, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: not play instead of playing with the Lions, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: not play at all. But you know what, I'm I'll

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Speaker 1: be quick, but I'm a Cleveland I'm so, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Lions fan still to this day. But in ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the year Cleveland got their team back. Yeah,

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00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I was just mad at the Lions. I don't know

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00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: if we're gone on sixteen then or whatever, but I'm

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00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: just the frustrated fan. I think they take our love

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Speaker 1: for granted. But anyway, I became a Cleveland Browns fan

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00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: that day as my second team because I couldn't just

615
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Speaker 1: jump on a bandwagon. So it's fun watching them do it.

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Speaker 1: You know what they did this year? He see Webb

617
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Speaker 1: and he was on the call with the Bucks and

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00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Nets last night. What are the Nets doing so far?

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Speaker 1: With Alt, Kyrie, with James and Katie? That surprised you.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't nothing surprise to me with this team. Dam

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Speaker 1: You know, I think fifty things can be true at

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Speaker 1: one time. You know, hard And left unceremoniously. He got

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Speaker 1: a game. Wait, he did all those things, but he's

624
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Speaker 1: still one of the best players, and I still believe

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Speaker 1: D'Antoni is responsible for how hard And played there. D'Antoni

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Speaker 1: told me personally that he believed that remember how you

627
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: would throw the ball in the shock shack would wait

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Speaker 1: and throw it back out and maybe that play took

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Speaker 1: fifteen seconds. He believed that Harden was doing that from

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Speaker 1: the top of the key as a post up player,

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Speaker 1: and that okay, Dan, if you're ready to shoot, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll throw it back. Now. I'm gonna dribble and find

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Speaker 1: one of you. That's what he believed was his post play.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe Harden. I believe he liked playing like that,

635
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: but he can play so much more efficiently. And by

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Speaker 1: those guys being friends, I put a lot of it

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Speaker 1: on mentality, but by those guys being friends, I expect

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Speaker 1: him to share the ball. And I believe Harden knows

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Speaker 1: that Durant is the best player in the NBA, and

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Speaker 1: you know he defers at times. So do you think's

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Speaker 1: the best player in the NBA. I think he's the best.

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00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: He'd have to be top two, you know, I know

643
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: the offense to believe that it's it's no one in

644
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: the game like him, that maybe that we've maybe that

645
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. And I think his teammates know that.

646
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: I think that Durant learned how to play a different

647
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: style playing for coach Kerve and with those players. I

648
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: think he learned to trust players playing at Golden State,

649
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: meaning like, if you're in the right place, just make

650
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: the right play. Because he just played so much more

651
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: calm and effortlessly, and so lest the game come to him.

652
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: So and Nash is their coach, you know, I said

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Speaker 1: this last night. You know, Dan, you may remember this,

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to put words in him off.

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Speaker 1: But in my opinion, and I believe this with all

656
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: my heart, Nash dribbled the ball more than harder. It

657
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: was just the way that he did it. It was

658
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: just he dribbled in a circle all the way around

659
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: up under the basket. But he would just make great plays.

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00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah he did. I mean, I'm not talking

661
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about shooting. I'm talking about ball handling.

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00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: And so I think that having a guy like Nash,

663
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: because we used to want Nash to shoot more so

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Speaker 1: that other guys wouldn't get involved. So Nash is brilliant.

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00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying that the game

666
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: has changed and Nash is part of the reason why

667
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: Harten is successful. And by the way, D'Antoni is on

668
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: that bench that coach Nash that way and then vice verse,

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Speaker 1: and so I believe that, you know, if this is

670
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: their style of play, I believe Nash is a great

671
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: guy to talk to Harten about how to do it well.

672
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: I think with Harden, we look at it as he

673
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: just pounds the ball and then he's going to take

674
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Speaker 1: his shot. Nash would dribble, and you're right, he was

675
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: almost like Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky used to go behind the

676
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: net and then he would try to set up his teammates.

677
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Nash was a past first and James is a shoot first,

678
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: shoot second, past third, and I think people look at

679
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: it and they don't like, sort of he's a ball hog.

680
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't think people looked at Nash is a ball

681
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: hog as much as they do James. But I still say,

682
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: why is it that Harden can get eleven assists but

683
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: Kyrie can't. Kyrie's not a pastor, Chris. You know, when

684
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: I played with Alan Irison, a lot of people used

685
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to say that he was selfish. And he definitely is

686
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: looking for this shot. That's the way Alan was made

687
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: and programmed to be. Kyrie is so skilled as scoring

688
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and getting to where he wants and his size. I

689
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: think when you trapped for him, it's not should he

690
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: be a better pastors, shouldn't get more assists? Yes, I

691
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I go back to Nash. It's

692
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: not about I don't want it any way, want to

693
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: make Nash him selfish. He's one of the most selfless

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00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: players ever. But when you have two guys on the

695
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: side of you, you have to trust them. And I've

696
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: seen Harden do that when he led their team and

697
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: assists when he was the third guy coming off with

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00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: him in Westbrook. So I trust their relationship. And when

699
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: you play with greats, you feel like, Okay, I can

700
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: get mine? Is what is the question? I do think

701
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: it is Kyrie and Kenny fit. Can he get others involved?

702
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: But if you have heartened at the point guard, why

703
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: can't Kyrie either two offensively? Meaning because I agree that

704
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: he should get more six So I agree with you.

705
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: But if he's not going to, why wouldn't you let

706
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: them get that same amount and just do it from

707
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: a two position and score and then keep the ball

708
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: in Harden's hands. Yeah, he's he's this enigma. He's a

709
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. And you were on the set with Uncle Drew,

710
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: so you spend time with him, Like, do you even

711
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: though you spend time with him, do you understand you?

712
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Do you know Kyrie Irving or feel like you do? No,

713
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know Kyrie. No, I don't know.

714
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know him at all. I know

715
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: his father a little bit through friends of mine like

716
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Rod Strickland and others. I know his father was a

717
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: heck of a hooper and a great great man. But

718
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't. And I think because I'm in the movie,

719
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: people think that I can give insight, you know, I

720
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't. This is a different generation, this is a

721
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: different day. And so my thing is, you know, as

722
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: a commentator, to hold him accountable and then to balance

723
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: it with the things I don't know. And so that's

724
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: why I like so in my day, I can only

725
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: say this than in my day, if I would have

726
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: played on Washington, I wanted to play with Spreewell. I

727
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: wanted them to trade him for Calbert changing straight up,

728
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: what's up Calbard? I love it. But I played and

729
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: at that time I knew the spree tent on being

730
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: Jordan defensively. I mean, this guy was incredible. He was

731
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: a prim and he was incredible, and I remember going

732
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to play with him. And I know that

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: if I were to play with him, I would have

734
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: played better, whether I had more shots to or less shots.

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, whatever the situation, And no

736
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: disrespect to Calbert. I just meant because of our relationship.

737
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I think friends hold each other to a higher standard

738
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: depending on what type of friends you have. I think

739
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Durant does. That is the alpha mail in the situation.

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00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: And I believe that they had to talk to each

741
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: other about it. And so if you as friends get

742
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: in the room and you talk about it, make a commitment,

743
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: say we're gonna win, you know, make a toast, had

744
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: a drunk talk, Ah, Brody, We're gonna do it. You

745
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: gotta stay to it. And no coaching can make you sacrifice,

746
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: no friends, no family. It's the commitment you made to

747
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: each other. And that's the only thing that I rely on.

748
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: That's that's why I think KG worked when he got

749
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: to Boston. That's why I think HID worked when he

750
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: got to Detroit. And many people didn't think it would,

751
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: but they didn't know the personal relationships. And so then

752
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: that's all I can put it on because I don't

753
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: know Kyrie. Would you want to play with Kyrie? What

754
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: I want to play? If I could play today and

755
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: be healthy and go back in time and play today

756
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: with who I was, I would, Yes, I would want

757
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: to play with him because I was a pick and

758
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: role player And as long as you give me the

759
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: ball off to pick a role I could do, you know,

760
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: whatever I need to do. Well, you know, people would

761
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: have to find but so very very honest. If I

762
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: could play to day, you know, or if I could

763
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: play at my lifetime, the three guys I would have

764
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: want to play with the probably Magic Nash and Lebron,

765
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: uh because I was a big guy in those guys,

766
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: those guys spots. No, Jordan I would have loved, of course,

767
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I would love to play with Jordan. I just meant,

768
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna touch the ball a lot. With Jordan,

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00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd have just been you would have been you would

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00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: have been Horace Grant, Yeah, exactly exactly. But hey Horace

771
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: got some rings, so yeah, I wouldn't mind him. Yeah,

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00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: you might have been Will Purdue. I don't know, but uh,

773
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching the Lakers last night. They're

774
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: up fourteen in the fourth quarter. Now I know it's

775
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: a game in January here, Chris, how do you blow

776
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: a fourteen point lead against Golden State at home? Because

777
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Golden State, Uh, Golden State as a chip on the shoulder,

778
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I think from Kurr and joint coaching, probably more than

779
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: ever to Curry coming back, coming you see the shots

780
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: of Curry once. You know, guys, but I really love

781
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: guys will really humble off the court. But the altar

782
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: egos are on the court. And Curry is a little

783
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: jerk on the court. He's like six seventh grade and

784
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: he used to play tag and all the games a

785
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: little fellas always won because you couldn't catch him and

786
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: you were just mad. And that's Curry. He's shooting threes.

787
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: He's getting other guys going Draymond. I mean, it's a

788
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: time for them to really show who they are in

789
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the midst of this. And so it didn't surprise me.

790
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: It really didn't surprise me that Golden State did that.

791
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: It would surprise me if other teams. But when you

792
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: have Curry and those boys, man, you just you better

793
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: bring your heart hat every night. But could Curry act

794
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: this way back when you played No, I just remember,

795
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: you know Karmen Long I think twenty two stitches Tides.

796
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I just remember, you know Oakley, other guys. It was

797
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: just it was just a different day. I mean, you know,

798
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: I had to change the way I acted after, you know,

799
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: two or three seasons because it's just not worth it,

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00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know Commings has nothing

801
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: to lose. It's two years left in his career and

802
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: he's on the bench. Why why I try to three? Well,

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00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, why Waite? Who do you still owe something too?

804
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: As far as what he means, they did something to you,

805
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: but you didn't want to lose game checks and get

806
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: back at them. Do you have a grudge towards anybody? No?

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Speaker 1: I would say though that that Terry Commies is the

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00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: one is the one loss that I took. You know,

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00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to fight Xavier McDaniel. I wanted to you know,

810
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: back then it was w w have you coming into

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00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: the league. So no, but Terry Commies, obviously say is

812
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: the one guy. But he's a minister, Chris exactly. So

813
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: how about this. You know your grandfather. You ever see

814
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: your grandfather get mad and give you that look and

815
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything. Yeah, and you get that he's

816
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: a minister, and it's like, oh my god, he made

817
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: a commitment to God whatever. So that was my rookie year.

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00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: He pulled me out the air gently, but he grabbed

819
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: me and he wouldn't let me go, and he said, no,

820
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: don't don't do that anymore. And Billy, those guys. They

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00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: didn't come up and like you know, talk. They they

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00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: looked at him like, no, he's the crazy one. That's

823
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: what I learned. Never fight a guy that cries before

824
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: the fight, and then guys that are real come like him.

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00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Just just leave him alone. The guys who cry before

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: the fight, oh you never, oh damn never fight a

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00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: guy that starts crying before a fight. Wait, who started

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00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: crying before a fight? I've seen him before. I've bet

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00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: some people out there I've seen him before calling let

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00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Dan know, like, didn't um, didn't Lennox Lewis lose to

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Speaker 1: a guy. Was that McCall crying before a fight? It

832
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: was Oliver McCall. Yeah, he started crying. But yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: seen I've seen bullies getting knocked out, maybe two in

834
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: my lifetime. When the guy getting bullie just started crying.

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Speaker 1: Now that's when you just know he has nothing to lose.

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00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: You don't want to find a guy with nothing the food.

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00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: But but you know, like Charles Oakley wouldn't start crying

838
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: before he would pummel somebody. He might just start hill.

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00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: Terry Cummings is a minister that That's what I find

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Speaker 1: amazing that he's supposed to be a god fearing, peaceful man. Chris, Yeah,

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00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I would tell his congregation you

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00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: better behave you better donate money, put it in the

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00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: collection plate there or um. Hey. Great to catch up.

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you your stories is and Chris

845
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: will be on the Bucks Lakers Call Thursday night, seven

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00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern on tnt SEE Web. I'm always great to

847
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: catch up, Thank you very much. Fox Sports Radio has

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