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Speaker 1: the Giant Huttle Podcast. John Smoke with you today from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports and NFL Network Charles Davis. You can find

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Speaker 1: we're joined by the one and only Charles Davis from

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com as well. Charles. It's good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, my friend. It's been a long year since

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Speaker 1: we last spoke, but it's good to see your face.

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Speaker 1: How are you and your family? I go the same

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Speaker 1: back to you on It's wonderful to see you. Everyone

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Speaker 1: in our households doing well. Thanks for asking, and trust

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Speaker 1: the same for you and yours and anyone who's viewing

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Speaker 1: this and and watching it all. Hope for good help

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Speaker 1: for all, and if you're battling through getting better, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been an incredible year that none of us could

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Speaker 1: have anticipated. But uh, I can't believe we're getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the draft. So what a difference a year makes.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully signs were coming out of it on the other side,

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Speaker 1: which would be great. So Charles, people might not know this.

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Speaker 1: You've known Dave Gettleman since you were a teenager and

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Speaker 1: you played against him in high school football. So let's

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Speaker 1: start here. Based on what the Giants did in free agency,

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Speaker 1: which was a lot. They filled some holes, got a

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Speaker 1: big time cornerback, big tim wide receiver, re signed Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Dave Gettleman's team building approaches right

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Speaker 1: now for where he has this roster and the drafts

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Speaker 1: pretty well over time. Big people are gonna be a

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Speaker 1: a big man's game, you know. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: did last year in the draft with the two tackles

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Speaker 1: them projected to start right now. I believe it left

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Speaker 1: And that's Michael Parsons linebacker. So people wonder about positional value.

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Speaker 1: To expect him to last in the second round all

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Speaker 1: the way to the Giant that's probably a lot to ask,

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Speaker 1: But he's going to be a pretty darn good nickel

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Speaker 1: player in there. And then you've got some of these

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Speaker 1: safeties who have those nickel qualities as well, like a

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Speaker 1: Javan Holland out of Oregon that that they can also

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Speaker 1: do it, kind of like a Malcolm Malcolm Jenkins who

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Speaker 1: came out of Ohio State. I'm a corner. I'm a

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Speaker 1: corner of the corner. Malcolm. We don't know, you might

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Speaker 1: sure for fast enough. I'm a corner. I'm a corner

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Speaker 1: of a corner. By the end, Okay, I'm a safety.

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Speaker 1: And he came at All Pro Pro Bowl Safety and

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Speaker 1: gave you flexibility to be able to go into the

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Speaker 1: slot and deal with people as well. Tyron Matthews that

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Speaker 1: type of a player. So I'm talking about the top

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Speaker 1: of the food chain guys. But there will be guys

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Speaker 1: like that that will present and give you that flexibility.

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Speaker 1: But whether they're listed at corner or whether they're listed

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Speaker 1: at safety. And then how does Parsons fit into a

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Speaker 1: three fourth scheme with Blake Martinez who really did a

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Speaker 1: great job as as the Giants Mike last year, Because

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Speaker 1: I see Parsons at least on first and second now

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Speaker 1: as a Mike type linebacker, right sideline, the sideline, these

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Speaker 1: great run fits, all that stuff, and then how do

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Speaker 1: you just see those two guys kind of fit together

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Speaker 1: in a three down scenario in the Giant scheme. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be most of the time in

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Speaker 1: a Nickel sub package anyway, So that's where your fit

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Speaker 1: comes in. You you play to the best strength of that.

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Speaker 1: You have Martinez running your defense, you have Parsons roaming

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Speaker 1: your defense. You know, you bring him off the edge.

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Speaker 1: You know his ability and speed to be able to

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Speaker 1: go out there and cover people. You've got flexibility like

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Speaker 1: that because Patrick Graham is not going to be in

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Speaker 1: a base defense very often anyway? Who is? No, No,

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Speaker 1: It is like like we list based defenses and then

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Speaker 1: we all laugh at each other, like how why are

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Speaker 1: we doing that? It's not gonna last long. The biggest

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Speaker 1: fight I have with my crew last year for TV

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Speaker 1: was fighting about adding the Nickel into the starting lineups

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Speaker 1: because for most of us coming up through the ranks,

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Speaker 1: the leven guys on the field. Yeah, I know that,

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Speaker 1: but this guy's gonna play as much, if not more

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Speaker 1: than one or two of these guys. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we just start listing the nickel and I think before

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Speaker 1: long on our TV lineups and all, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: listing nickels, we're gonna be listing the sub packages, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing all sorts of things with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times that Sam linebacker plays fifteen snaps

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Speaker 1: and then the the Nickels on the field and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: how about that? Anyway? All right, two more questions Charles

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Speaker 1: before we ask you for your fun prediction. Let's go here.

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Speaker 1: What's the trajectory right now? But where the giants are?

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Speaker 1: We saw the progress last year with Joe Judge. I

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Speaker 1: think everyone was very happy with the production he got

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Speaker 1: out of the talent that was on the field, and

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Speaker 1: he tried to settle what's been a tumultuous fears for

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Speaker 1: the organization. Now they make these big aduses into free agency,

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Speaker 1: they're committing to these young players they brought in. This

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Speaker 1: is now the core for a couple of years. Now.

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Speaker 1: What's your trajectory for the franchise? I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good trajectory. Um what's going to determine everything when it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done. Coach picked Daniel Jones to be

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Speaker 1: the quarterback he picked. He picked a mature kid, you know,

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Speaker 1: a kid who's going to be able to play through adversity.

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Speaker 1: All those things for Daniel. And this isn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: or shattering. He's got a quit creating his own adversity.

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Speaker 1: You gotta take care of football, you know. And if

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Speaker 1: he does that, my goodness, everything else is there. You

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Speaker 1: see it. You see him throwing the football, see him

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Speaker 1: running the fall. We can laugh all we wanted about

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Speaker 1: him tripping against Philadelphia last year, But how gorgeous was

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Speaker 1: that when he was out in open field running away

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Speaker 1: from defensive backs. Thank you. So all of it is there,

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Speaker 1: and they're continuing to build around him. The defense is

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Speaker 1: coming along. I thought it was a big deal. Leonard

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Speaker 1: Williams getting resigned that that said a lot, because to me,

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Speaker 1: that's him telling other people, I like what we're doing here,

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Speaker 1: you know, because the opportunities and all. No, I like

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. If this is good. This isn't just

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Speaker 1: simply a money thing. This is a good deal. And

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Speaker 1: and and Joe Judge came in and did exactly what

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Speaker 1: he was hired to do. Give that team direction, give

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Speaker 1: that team clear understanding of what was expected of them.

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Speaker 1: And what were what accountability they would be held to

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Speaker 1: and off they go. And I thought he did a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal job in year one. So I do think that

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Speaker 1: the trajectory is good. But it's interesting in really down

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Speaker 1: year last year in the NFC East, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams with who seem to be forging into

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Speaker 1: a nice little trajectory in the East. Dallas, we keep

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Speaker 1: saying the same thing every year, and we can't understand

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Speaker 1: why they're not a consistent playoff team. But you look

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Speaker 1: at them again anything. I like what they're doing over there.

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Speaker 1: I love what Washington football team is doing. Philadelphia is

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Speaker 1: the one that needs to probably make a few more jumps.

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Speaker 1: But with how he Roseman is the GM, don't underestimate

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Speaker 1: that he's very aggressive and trying to go get what

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Speaker 1: he wants one more quickly before your prediction, Is this

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Speaker 1: the year Dave Gentleman trades down for the first time

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Speaker 1: in general manager draft history? Oh no, no, tell you what, John,

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Speaker 1: If we're sitting there in that draft and coach Getleman

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Speaker 1: trades added that pick, I'll text you. Okay, you won't

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Speaker 1: need to text me because I think the paramedics would

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Speaker 1: be doing oxygen to me and Daniel jenner Meyer right

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Speaker 1: there on set. We'll be like what what what what? What? What? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'dards Daniel Jemal will be making that right turn on

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Speaker 1: the NASCAR track right like now that he knows that

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Speaker 1: order the races are are on road road tracks. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what you talk to me before that.

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Speaker 1: I know it's weird to talk to me about NASCAR,

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Speaker 1: but even I knew that one. Come okay, yeah I did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about NASCAR even I knew that part.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I've just given him great

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Speaker 1: But it turned out to be a great thing because

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Speaker 1: you know, it turned into more funny stuff. But coach

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Speaker 1: Gentleman has not done that. I don't believe this is

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Speaker 1: the year that he does. He's got a prime opportunity

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Speaker 1: to get another big time player. All right, Charles, final one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two bites of the apple here.

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Speaker 1: Give me eleven and forty two. Give me the double whammy,

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Speaker 1: first two picks of the giants in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: You can do it with your mop, or you can

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Speaker 1: go off the rams a little bit, have some fun. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I did my mock and I gave you Jalen Waddle there.

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Speaker 1: I'll switch it up for this one and say Edge

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Speaker 1: Rusher and go Quitty pay for Michigan, Okay, and then

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Speaker 1: come back at forty two. I'm gonna get that big

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Speaker 1: monster out of Notre Dame, Aaron Banks. I'm gonna plug

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Speaker 1: him in. He's gonna start day one for me. Charles,

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Speaker 1: you said, Dave Gentleman, things, big people win games. Those

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Speaker 1: are two big fellows that will help the Giants offense

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Speaker 1: and defense. Great stuff, my friend, We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. Alright, Charles, good luck on

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Speaker 1: coverage of the draft of the NFL network. Thanks a lot,

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Speaker 1: always great to see you. Take care to everyone high

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Speaker 1: for me. I will do that. That's another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Johnts Little Podcast and The Giants Podcast Network, presented

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Speaker 1: find it at the Giants Mobile app, at Giants dot com,

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Speaker 1: slash podcast, and your favorite podcast platforms. For Charles Davis,

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmulk. We'll see you next time. Everybody,