1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know, a 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel. 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: Our colleague Matt is on Skibbity Adventure and will be 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: returning soon. They call me Ben. We're joined as always 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: with our super producer Paul mission controlled decands. Most importantly, 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know, Noel, it is 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: one of our favorite evenings of the week. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: It is bam. Sorry, I do have to say in 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: the spirit of strange news which came before you mentioned Skibbitty, 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: and I. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Did just want to point out what I thought was a. 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Joke, strange news story, like a fake news story, was 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: in fact true. Michael Bay is launching a cinematic intelevisial universe. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: I honestly, I mean I feel like I'm maybe more 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: in the know than a lot of millennials. I thought 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: Skimmity Toilet was just like one viral video. It's apparently 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: a whole universe of this, like unreal Engine kind of 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: dated video game engine generated content of this dystopian kind 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: of universe that has been memed of course and turned 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: into like games on Roadblocks and all of these other platforms. 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: And Michael Bay, of all people, is developing this into 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: a whole world, and I think it's the end. Times 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: are nine. 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: My friend, our buddies Jack and Miles over at the 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: Daily Zeitgeist hipped me to that story, and I thought 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: they were just riffing with each other in their typical 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: dry humor. Also, skibbity is a thing Jack O'Brien made up. 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: What do you mean, like parallel thinking made up? No, 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: he completely manufactured the whole thing. No, yah, yeah he did. 34 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: And gas lighting is also a thing he made up. 35 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's what you're doing. See I get it. Okay, 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: got it, Consider me, consider my consider my gas lit 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: As the kids say, not even know if they say 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: that anymore? What do the kids say? Let's talk to 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: some kids in the form of listener mail. 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it, because we are going 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: to hear some fantastic messages from our fellow conspiracy realists 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: and Noel. There's an email that I think really spoke 43 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: to both of us. I can't wait to I can't 44 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: wait to hear this. 45 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: One on air. Well, I can't remember exactly which segment 46 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: it took place, and espe we talk about a lot, 47 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: but Matt, I believe brought a story about a true 48 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: crime event, you know, I believe either a murder, that 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: some amount of the detective work was leaning on a 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: dream or something like that, or like some purported psychic abilities. 51 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: And then we got into the whole discussion of like 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: is psych art psychic ability is real. It's in the 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: original cold open of the video and the podcast, you know, 54 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: from psychic powers to the paranormal, all of that good stuff. 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: So it is kind of red meat for a show 56 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: like this, But I was pretty surprised when I came 57 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: out and said that I do think psychic phenomenon is real. 58 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: And Matt was much more skeptical. 59 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: He's skeptical about the weirdest things, which is part of why. 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: But also what a genius this guy, our colleague, Matt. 61 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: We have new chumps in the squad. I was interested 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: in this too, and I think a lot of us 63 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: playing along at home felt called to the concept of 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: esp and intuition. We know that in the past law 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: enforcement has used the idea of psychic discovery as a 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: way to get around, you know, certain legal restrictions. But also, 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: you know, my family's past. Man, I come from a 68 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: place where people genuinely do believe that they practice psychic powers. 69 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: And to your earlier point, we have spent years exploring 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: the line between intuition and esp. 71 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not to you know, delay the message too 72 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: much longer. But what also came up in that discussion, 73 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, around Matt's story was an interview we did 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: with Russell targ years ago, who has a book called 75 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: Third Eye Spies about a literal program the CIA had 76 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: of this guy helped design very smart dude from MIT 77 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: to supposedly help train psychic spies, you know, to be 78 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: able to astrally project to locations where victims are being 79 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: held or kidnapping or murder you know, evidence or bodies 80 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: or what have you. And talking to him really turned 81 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: a corner from me because this is like a really 82 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: learned individual who really straddles the kind of line between 83 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: science and the supernatural. And I'm pretty sure that this 84 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: has been discussed outside of our crew, but dude clearly 85 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: seemed to be the inspiration for Egon Spangler in the 86 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: Ghostbusters because I think you know. Ghostbusters, of course a 87 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: comedy movie with some horror elements. It is a very 88 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: interesting exploration of that line between science and the occult 89 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: and supernatural stuff. So now moving on to the letter 90 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: from one of my favorite nicknames of recent memory, our 91 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: borious master of plants. Yes, is very elden ring or 92 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: something like. I don't know exactly what it is, but 93 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: it has a great mouthfeel to it. And here we go, 94 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: ohy gents, our bore is here master of plants. I 95 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: inserted that regarding the woman whose dream led the police 96 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: to the murder victim. My thinking on such matters is 97 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: as follows. I fully believe in phenomena like prescient dreams, 98 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: but I don't think there's anything supernatural involved our subcon Yeah, 99 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: and she does. Our subconscious minds are orders of magnitude 100 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: all caps more powerful than we realize, constantly compelling and 101 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: connecting thousands of data points in ways we couldn't possibly 102 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: imagine or accept. I like the computer analogy, our subconscious 103 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: minds processors aren't down with piloting our meat machines, which 104 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: is like an industrial band name for the ages instead 105 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: running in the background performing millions of tiny calculations we 106 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: know nothing about. When something comes together, it makes sense 107 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: that it would be presented via a subconscious process like dreaming. 108 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: So that woman subconsciously absorbed thousands of tiny clues from 109 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: people and situations around her, which eventually added up to 110 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: the location of the bodies. Mannerism smells tiny visuals nearby 111 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: people's conversations she wasn't listening to. Who knows, But how 112 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: many times have you heard stories like I dreamed of 113 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: someone I hadn't seen in years and randomly ran into 114 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: them the next day. The majority of people, if they're honest, 115 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: would probably tell you they've had similar experiences, And I 116 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 2: think a lot of that comes down to the power 117 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: of the subconscious mind. Something to think about when you 118 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: can spare the bandwidth. Thanks Jens, I hope you know 119 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: that what you do has a real impact on people's 120 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: lives and mental states. That's very positive, even when you're 121 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: talking about frightening things. I don't know how you manage 122 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: that exactly, but keep it up, Arboreous Master of plants, Ben, 123 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean not to be redundant. We've certainly talked about 124 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: various aspects of this, you know, over the many years 125 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: we've been doing the show, but a couple of things 126 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: stand out. I think Arboreus laid it out beautifully in 127 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: terms of like what is the line between psychic abilities 128 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: and intuition? I recently, I think we both did. We 129 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: may be going to see it together for a second time. 130 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: Saw the horror movie Long Legs, and there's a character 131 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: who's an FBI agent who has these intuitions or these 132 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: these premonitions, with the line where her boss is like, well, 133 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: being half psychics better than nothing, and then said, how 134 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: about we just call it? How about how about we 135 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: just call you highly intuitive? And she she says that's fair. 136 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: And I think that's really interesting. But I also know 137 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: that we have problems sometimes in court cases with eyewitness accounts. 138 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: So how do these things that up, Like if we're 139 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: it all depends on the person, doesn't it? Like we 140 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: all of us have these subconscious things that we're picking 141 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: up on. Some people are just better at interpreting the 142 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: data accurately with others because we know all of these 143 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: things can also add up to stories we tell ourselves 144 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: to complete fabrications. 145 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think that's a vary, astute, observational, and 146 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: our boy is want to thank you in specific for, 147 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: as we said, laying this out in such a perfect way. 148 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: We don't want to be redundant. This is important. If 149 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: you are looking for a book to teach you more 150 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: about intuition, please please please read The Gift of Fear 151 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: by Gavin de Becker. We've mentioned it in the past. 152 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: It came out in nineteen ninety seven, so I guess 153 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: it's relatively new in the grand scheme. But the idea 154 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: here is this guy de Becker looked through the notion 155 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 3: of intuition, the idea that you have a hunch, like Noel, 156 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: for instance, have you ever met someone and had a 157 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: really good or really bad vibe off them that you 158 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: couldn't explain consciously? 159 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: Bro Vibes are currency, my friend. I mean seriously, like, 160 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: if you can't, if you don't have the ability to 161 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: kind of discern that from somebody, then you're gonna be 162 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: left in the dust a lot of times, or it's 163 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: gonna be a lot easier people to take advantage of you, 164 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: because I mean, if you don't kind of get a 165 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: general sense of someone's authenticity, you know, from the moment 166 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: you kind of meet them, then that things might not 167 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: go super well for you, you know, in terms of 168 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, the ability for people to deceive you. Right. 169 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this sensitivity, this sensitivity is no less magical 170 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: when we understand it, right, It's still brilliant stuff. A 171 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: lot of these unconscious cues you're describing a boreas are 172 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: part of the daily interaction of humans with their environment 173 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: and with other life forms. One thing that may be 174 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: of particular interest to a lot of us listening tonight 175 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: would be the concept of spell. You have vestigial pheromone 176 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: receptors in your body if you are human, and sometimes 177 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: that can explain why you do or do not vibe 178 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: with another person. You can learn more about the use 179 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: of intuition as seen through the framework of psychic powers 180 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: in excellent documentaries like Vibes starring Jeff Goldbloom and Cyndi Laverer. 181 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: It is a fabulous work of investigative journalism. Yeah, no, 182 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: it's good. But seriously, though, I mean, when I say 183 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: vibes are currency, I think I was. I was saying 184 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: that coming from a lot of the coverage around the 185 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: political climate or the race right now and how people 186 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: were saying that JD jb Vance just has like no 187 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: riz and just his vibes aire is instantly like trash. 188 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: And we are playing a ViBe's game, a vibes based 189 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: game where if someone comes off as insincere, immediately you're 190 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: like not in their corner. And the thing is, you 191 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: can be really good at feigning sincerity as well. And 192 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: like tricking people's vibe sensors, you know, that is also 193 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: a thing, but in general, if someone's just really ham 194 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: fisted at it, it's gonna trip people's spidy senses in 195 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: that way. And I love that you mentioned the smell 196 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: angle because we often talk too about like what our 197 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: equipment is as human beings, and like, you know, dogs, 198 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: there's always the old trope in the movies when the 199 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: bad guy comes into the house and the dog. The 200 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: victim is clueless about his intention, but the dog knows 201 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: what's up. And you know, while dogs maybe can't speak 202 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: to us, it's very clear that they have equipment more 203 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: finely tuned that are picking up. We even talked about spectrum, 204 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: like the visual spectrum where they can maybe even see 205 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: other dimensions or something like that, right, like and the 206 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: idea of a color spectrum and things that transcend you know, 207 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: this physical plane, I guess. 208 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: Or at least the things that the humans can observe, right, 209 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: infrared light, for instance, that's that's what Yeah, sorry, thank 210 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: you Ben. No, no, it's perfect. There's also Look, what 211 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 3: this teaches us is that if we are thinking critically 212 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: about the concept of hunches or intuition or psychic powers, 213 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, we do know that 214 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: the information the human brain thinks about, like the metacognition 215 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: when you think about why do I like or not 216 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: like a person that is coming to you in an 217 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: incredibly digested, preanalyzed form from your subconscious. Your subconscious, the 218 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: part of your brain that you don't really speak to, 219 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: it is continually evaluating innumerable variables and factors. You might think, 220 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: for instance, oh, this person's energy is really clicking with me, 221 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: and you have to walk uphill cognitively to figure out 222 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: why you have made that assumption. You are processing information 223 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: that another part of you has delivered to you, sort 224 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: of wrapped up and assembled. 225 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's almost like a packet of data, like 226 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: a data stream coming into a computer over a network. 227 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,239 Speaker 2: It's all about like parsing it out and like separating 228 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: the noise from like the actual good packets. 229 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So the concept of dreams is fascinating as well, 230 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:20,239 Speaker 3: because one of the best technological comparisons would be defragging 231 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: a hard drive. That's what the human brain does when 232 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: it sleeps, right, yes, ondred percent. 233 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: But there are like different, I guess schools of thought 234 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: behind that, even where it's like do dreams mean anything? 235 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: You know, there's like Freudian thought or whatever, and that 236 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: kind of you know, philosophy I guess behind it. I mean, 237 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: there's a science to it, I suppose, but it is 238 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: all kind of like theory, you know, like is it 239 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: really your subconscious delivering important stuff to you? Or is 240 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: it just kind of nonsense, fragmented gobbledegook, you know, Like 241 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: I had a dream last night that I went on 242 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: a laundry stealing caper, like I robbed a lotmat of 243 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: other people's clothes with the cast of all that the 244 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: nineteen nineties children's sketch show, and then we ended up 245 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: going on a rampage and being chased by the police 246 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: through like this suburban neighborhood and like some Northwestern kind 247 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: of like place, and then I was arrested by a 248 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: police officer who was played by Oh gosh, who's the 249 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: guy that was the ladies man on SNL. 250 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: Oh No, that guy. 251 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he I had a bag of weed on 252 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: me and he said I was in a part of 253 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: New York where that wasn't legal and he took it. 254 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: And then but then one of the guys from all that, 255 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: Danny Tamberelli, Little Pete from Pete and Pete, he said, no, 256 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: that's mine, it wasn't his. Oh, and he got me 257 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: off with Tim Meadows. Yeah. But it's like, what is that? 258 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: What is that possibly trying to tell me? If it's 259 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: anything or is that just the product of a maybe 260 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: not rested enough mind. 261 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: It's it's telling us. 262 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 263 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: You know, the defrat argument is interesting, and I agree 264 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: with you, aarborious master of plants, that the subconscious mind 265 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: is doing a lot of work behind the scenes. Right. 266 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: So when we're always very careful when we wrestle with 267 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: the concept of psychic abilities, right because it gets a 268 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: bad rap. There are a lot of hoaxters out. 269 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: There taking advantage of people cold readers on those TV shows, 270 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: or they're trying to speak to people's deceased relatives, and 271 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: it's all full flammed and absolutely taking advantage of people's emotions. 272 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, leveraging those weaponizing them even But here's here's 273 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: the thing, and we're when we say this what you're 274 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: going to hear next, we know it's going to speak 275 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: to a lot of us at home right now, personally. 276 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 3: People who genuinely experience what we could call strong intuition 277 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: if we're being diplomatic. Those people are not going to 278 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: be your Madam Bell's. Those people are not going to 279 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 3: do any kind of call in line or publish a 280 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: book that they want you to buy or make you 281 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: pay to talk to them. Those people are typically, and 282 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: this is just my experience, they're typically going to have 283 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: a number of discreete moments that are inexplicable to them, epiphanies, revelations. 284 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: They might not even know what their abilities are. They 285 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: might have explained them away, or like live their whole 286 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: life feeling as so it's a burden or some kind 287 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: of curse, you know. 288 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, they wake up and they decide they shouldn't get 289 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: on the plane right or they find themselves for some 290 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: reason unable perhaps to leave their home to go to 291 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 3: their job, and then later there's a massive car accident 292 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 3: or an explosion. Now, how do we explain this? I 293 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 3: can tell you that in most cases of which I 294 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: am aware, most cases that I can prove of intuition, 295 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 3: people are very afraid of being ridiculed or being seen 296 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: as a wing nut. So there is a huge burden 297 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: of trust that has to exist for someone to tell you, Hey, 298 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: I have information about a thing that might apply to you, 299 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: and I am trusting you to not tell other people. 300 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: But just so you know, you know, even small stuff. 301 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: I was recently, this is big in my family. Like 302 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 3: I recently, I've got some friends moving out to Los 303 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: Angeles and I had to tell them that the second 304 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: house they look at is bad. Okay, I'm serious, you know, 305 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 3: And it's weird to say that on air. 306 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: So would you call that intuition or would you call 307 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: that like something extra? 308 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: Well, I just know the second house is a bad one. 309 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: Man. Okay. That reminds me that, I mean, that reminds me. 310 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: There's a scene again, there's no I'm not I don't 311 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: want to spoil anything, but there is a scene in 312 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: Long Legs where a character that knows something about a 313 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: house without having the right to know it, you know, 314 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: without having necessarily received any intel or any like, you know, 315 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: actionable data or evidence. It's just a feeling. Oh, I 316 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: know what I was gonna say too. Is a lot 317 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: of times. That's why in movies you always see the 318 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: person like, but you gotta listen to me, you gotta 319 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: listen to me. They're gonna the building's gonna blow up. 320 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: Nobody believes them, and they look like a crazy person 321 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: until the thing happens, you know. 322 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, just like you said, uh and before we 323 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: before he pause and move on. But one thing that's 324 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: very important that you just brought up NOL is the 325 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: idea of known unknowns and unknown unknowns. Not to sound 326 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: too much like a certain politician, but the concept here is. Look, 327 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: if you ground a plane because you know the plane 328 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: will crash, and the plane therefore does not crash because 329 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: you kept it on the ground, you are in a 330 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 3: lose lose situation. Right, You've saved lives, but you look 331 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: like a crazy person because you can't prove the plane 332 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: would have crashed. 333 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: Wow, And if the final Destination franchise has anything to 334 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: be believed, you know death's coming for you. In an 335 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: elaborate Rube Goldberg fashion sooner or later? So is it 336 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 2: really just kind of like delaying the inevitable? Now I'm joking, 337 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: but I think all of this stuff is absolutely you know, 338 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: food for thought. Let's take a quick break. Thank you 339 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: Rborius by the way for having both a delightful nickname 340 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: and a great email for us to discuss. We're going 341 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: to be right back with some more listener mail, and. 342 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: We have returned. We're going to go to the phone 343 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: lines here. This is a nice follow up to our 344 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: earlier conversation. Joe asked a question that I would love 345 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: your opinion on. 346 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: Here we go. 347 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: Hey, guys, it's Joe here from you know we should 348 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: rather not say. Was just listening to that by episode 349 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 4: and was also watching the documentary and the thought came 350 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: to me, the CIA is declassifying all these documents and 351 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: allowing people to have this knowledge of remote viewing and 352 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: the like of psychic abilities. Don't you think they have 353 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: some preventative measures for that already in place? So if 354 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: the general public was to achieve set abilities, they have 355 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 4: the proper protection. I don't know, it seems like they 356 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: wouldn't just let us know that without you know, having 357 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 4: some proper caution. I don't know. It's something to think about. 358 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 4: Love you guys, keep it up. You know my name 359 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: and this message and whatever you need to Thanks guys, 360 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: all right. 361 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: I knew this would be of interest to you, but absolutely, 362 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 3: I mean it's it's perfect counterpoint to to what we 363 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: just were talking about. 364 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: And I think the Russell Target interview comes up yet 365 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: again because we know the CIA had a program to 366 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: train spies that was declassified or whatever led Target to 367 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: be able to talk about it, but of course they 368 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: would have to have countermeasures, you know. And we also 369 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: know that there are other countries that also have secret 370 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: spy type programs or I'm sorry, psychic spy type program right. 371 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: Right right, most particularly the ussr UH and during the 372 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: Cold War. This first off, Joe, what a fantastic question. 373 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: The idea of counter measures against weaponized esp as we 374 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: established earlier, we could we could use esp and intuition 375 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: as synonyms right in practice, So is there a way 376 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: to to protect against the weaponization of enemy intuition? What 377 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: a weird sentence to say, you know, uh, this run 378 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: you know what this reminds me of not just not 379 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: just Targ Russell, Targ who is a super cool guy. 380 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: But it also reminds me of our earlier episode on 381 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 3: the concept of timfoil. 382 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: Hats sure protecting our you know, shielding us from potential infiltration, 383 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: like directly into our our minds, and God, man, give 384 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: me not to to derail too far from us. But 385 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: it makes me think too of like all of the 386 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: implant technology that is now kind of becoming much more 387 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: of a reality, and the idea of like our brains 388 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: being able to literally be hacked. So that's not exactly 389 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: esp but it's almost more terrifying and very real. So 390 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: whatever your your thoughts on extrasensory perception and you know, 391 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: psychic powers might be. But I don't know, Ben, do 392 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: we have any evidence of any counter intelligence programs designed 393 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: to protect against these sorts of things or is it 394 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: more just sort of like space race type stuff where 395 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: we have to like, you know, keep up with the 396 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: John with the you know, what's a good Russian name? 397 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: Uh, the the politically incorrect version would be keep up 398 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: with the Ivans. There you go, is how they would 399 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 3: have said it in World War Two and the Cold War. Look, 400 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: we know there was provably some I would say dabbling 401 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: in this idea of protecting protecting the information in an 402 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: asset's mind. Uh, and this doesn't quite reach the level 403 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: of like, okay, So what what Joe was asking about, 404 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 3: basically is the Magneto helmet. If you're a fan of 405 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 3: comic books, if you're if you're a Marvel nerd, then 406 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 3: you know that the reason Magneto wears his special helmet 407 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: is because it prevents telepaths from being able to mess 408 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: with his mind. Right exactly, yeah, right, So it's. 409 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: The idea is to have control of a mind that powerful, 410 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: that already contains, you know, that has the ability to 411 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: literally make anybody do anything, that would be you know, 412 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: tantamount to handing over the launch codes to the naming. 413 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: And I love that you're saying that because in this story, 414 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: both or in the lore, both Charles Xavier and Eric 415 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: Lyncher Magneto, they are both essentially walking weapons of mass destruction, right, 416 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: and controlling that kind of mind could lead to catastrophic 417 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: existential threats. So what we do see, or what we 418 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: did see at least during the Cold War, was early 419 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: research that I don't know, it was kind of spaghetti 420 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: at the wall stuff. Early research in the Soviet era 421 00:27:52,000 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: about the concept of using certain materials to build like 422 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: a psychic Faraday cage. You know, so if Faraday cage 423 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 3: is a real thing, it will prevent certain types of 424 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 3: energy from penetrating a barrier. So back in earlier evenings, 425 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: the Soviet government did fund research into not just the 426 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: concept of astro projection. Here in the US, we had 427 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: Stargate project, we had Project Start. 428 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 429 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely. At the same time the Soviets were conducting this 430 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: kind of research, they were also working to figure out 431 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: how to defend against this kind of thing. Now, for 432 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: a lot of us more skeptical folks in the crowd, 433 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: this all sounds very woo woo, you know, made up stuff. 434 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: Well, because to build a device like this would kind 435 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: of require a much clearer understanding of how these things work. Then, 436 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: I would argue any and scientific I mean, the scientific 437 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: community barely acknowledges that this stuff exists. So how would 438 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 2: you like use science to build something to protect against 439 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: something that scientists don't believe is real? I don't know. 440 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. Also, further, if we're just 441 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: being hard nosed about this, why would you evolve a 442 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: countermeasure in addition to countermeasures that you already know work. 443 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: For instance, why would you use polonium on someone who 444 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: lives on the third story of a building with some 445 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 3: really nice windows. 446 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't bring polonium to a window fight. Never 447 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: do it, that's true, that's aol and no promise we 448 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: won't bring polonium to the window fight. 449 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: But but you see what I'm saying, Like the question here. 450 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: Path of least, there's a there's a path of less 451 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: resistance at the very least, right. 452 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The acronym that is very popular here 453 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 3: in the West is kiss keep it simple, stupid, So 454 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: we don't want complicated Rube Goldberg esque attempts at solving something. 455 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: If there was and this has not been proven, but 456 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 3: if there was, if we're just freestyling, if there was 457 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: some sort of weaponized psychic ability, then the immediate move 458 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: would be to contain it, and if someone else controls it, 459 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: to eradicate. And if you're eradicating it, then you're not 460 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: going to make some kind of fancy you know, what's 461 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: that Stranger Things solution to it type device or what right, 462 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: You're just going to neutralize them with full prejudice. 463 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, an asset like that would 464 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: be as accessible for that type of of let's call 465 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: it operation as any other political figure would be, you know, 466 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: in terms of protection, in terms of isolation, siloing or 467 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: all of that good stuff. And I guess what we're 468 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: talking about here too is maybe because you know, obviously 469 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: regular old run of the mill ESP would be dangerous 470 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: in terms of the ability to extract intelligence, to distract 471 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, as a surveillance right. But I think what 472 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: we also might be talking about is going a little 473 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: further into like hardcore telekinesis stabilities you know, to like 474 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: use like Professor X could or magneto it could literally 475 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: lift a building off the ground and smash it into 476 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: you know, another building, or like use powers of their 477 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 2: mind to act as weapons in and of themselves. So 478 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 2: that to me maybe would be I don't know. The 479 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: fairy day cage part is interesting because we certainly have 480 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: facilities that like you know, clean rooms and such and 481 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 2: like things that are like so like isolated, and they 482 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: would be trouble by normal surveillance mechanisms. So I don't know, 483 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: it's again today's kind of thought experiment day. Yeah, well 484 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: it kind of always is, but more so than usual. 485 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: Even in the episode that we just recorded, which will 486 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: be coming out next week. 487 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: I believe time is so weird. 488 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: It is weird, especially when we do things kind of 489 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: in reverse because we're recording this listener mail a day 490 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: later than we normally do. 491 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: Peak behind the curtain also before we move on, because 492 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: I know we got to get to an ad break 493 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: and I have something I'm very excited. 494 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: To pitch to you. 495 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 3: If you are if you have any awareness of attempts 496 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: at preventative measures for something like you said, noel has 497 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: not been proven to exist, we want to do conspiracydiheartradio 498 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: dot com. If you are operating an asset that again 499 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: just thought experiment. If you're operating an asset that has 500 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: some sort of extraordinary ability, you don't want the big 501 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: telekinetics you want. You want someone if telekinesis existed. You 502 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: want someone who could just close an artery by looking. 503 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: At that right, you know, and then you'd never be 504 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: able to trace it back to anything you want talking about. 505 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: Or maybe we I think we did an intro to 506 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: a classic Ridiculous History episode about arsenic the idea of 507 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: like you know, at the time, it was the perfect 508 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: weapon because it was odorless, colorless, and utterly untraceable, at 509 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: least at the with the technology of the time. But 510 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: you I didn't even think about that. Then it wouldn't 511 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: be like like the boys, you know, exploding someone ahead. 512 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: It would be like something where you would never know 513 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: what had happened, cause it just or just causing someone's 514 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: heart to stop. 515 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: Right, That's that's the dream, right, That's why, uh, that's 516 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: why the British loved the what they call it inheritance powder. 517 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: That's a good that that's part of it. And if 518 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: there is an ability to delve into someone's mind, like 519 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: use telepathy to extract information. Again, if something like that existed, 520 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 3: then that would mean there was some sort of interchange 521 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 3: of energy and information between those two brains. If that 522 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 3: would be the case, then there would logically be a 523 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 3: way to interfere with that passage, right with that process 524 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 3: of back and forth. None of this is proven to exist. 525 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: To there's no evidence of any of this in like 526 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: what we've seen work in terms of history. Like it's 527 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: just again to keep it simple, stupid, like the Russians 528 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: are using bots and like internet you know, tactics to 529 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: quote unquote rig elections or to like change public perception 530 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: they're using. You know, AI is more of concern to 531 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: me than psychic abilities. You know, we need to figure 532 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: out how to guard against that stuff. Work behind the 533 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: ape on that. 534 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of the things that we're considered 535 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: to be supernatural or psychic are now being created via technology. 536 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: They're the modeling systems that are capable of predicting behavior, 537 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: get very close to foretelling the future. These same systems 538 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 3: can be applied and are being applied to human beings 539 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: to predict your own behavior. Because every person is their 540 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 3: own country, right, we can model this stuff in that case. 541 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 3: And I love that you bring this up. In that case, Joe, 542 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 3: the preventative measure for weaponized esp on the ground, in 543 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: a microcosm like in your life right now, the preventative 544 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: measure is not to participate online. 545 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean the Internet 546 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: is its own kind of weird oracle, and especially once 547 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: you start figuring the AI in, because it all comes 548 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: down to again, the psychology of the intuition question we 549 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 2: were talking about earlier, Like, all this stuff is out 550 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: there and again and I came out, you know, as 551 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: believing to some degree in some form of extrasensory perception 552 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 2: beyond just intuition. I don't know what it is, just 553 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: like I say, I don't necessarily believe in a Christian God, 554 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: but I don't believe in nothing. I just don't know 555 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: what to call it. And I'm holding out hope that 556 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 2: there is something out there beyond you know, what we 557 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 2: know in the universe and in the afterlife and what 558 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: have you. But I just don't know what to call it. 559 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 2: And I feel the very same way about this kind 560 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: of stuff. But I think our kind of coming full 561 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 2: circle around to it, to AI and technology and the 562 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 2: Internet being its own like exponentially dangerous form of this 563 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: kind of stuff is absolutely accurate. 564 00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: And as as any student of the human condition understand, 565 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 3: people don't know most things. Human civilization overall does not 566 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 3: know most stuff, and that is a fact that needs 567 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: to be acknowledged and addressed. Speaking of things we don't know, 568 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: we're going to pause for a word from our sponsor. 569 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: We're going to return with a letter from home, which 570 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: is Noel spoiler, it's a weird one. I'm very interested 571 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: in your thoughts, very interested in everybody else's thoughts. And 572 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 3: we've returned. Okay, so this is a little bit different. 573 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 3: It's a conversation I've been having over or a series 574 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 3: of months now with various experts in various fields, veterans, biologists, 575 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 3: oceanographers as well. Riddle me this, what is the most 576 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: dangerous large non human animal? We're building a leader board 577 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 3: and we're sept to be cleangerious. 578 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: I mean, shark. Trump won't stop talking about sharks. 579 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think he saw one or something. 580 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: What is he saying? I have I've been hearing chatter 581 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 2: about him talking about great white sharks, But what exactly 582 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 2: is the thing that he keeps saying about sharks? 583 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 3: Oh, he's amazed by them, you know how like when 584 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: you see a kid have their first day at the 585 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 3: zoo and they just won't shut up about pandas or whatever. 586 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: Trump just found out about sharks. 587 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: He said he would prefer to be electrocuted instead of 588 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 3: eaten by a shark. 589 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: Why are the where does that equivalency come from? 590 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 3: Like? 591 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 2: How are those the two things you're weighing? 592 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: We who are we to judge? We do a lot 593 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: of thought experiments here. That's true, fair enough, but he 594 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: said in a speech in Grand Rapids, Michigan recently, he said, 595 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 3: if I'm in a boat and it's all electric and 596 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 3: it starts to sink, I asked the guy, do you 597 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 3: get electrocuted sitting over this? And then I say, and 598 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with this, because it's 599 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 3: an analogy. If there's a shark about ten yards away, 600 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 3: do I get electrocuted? Or do I go with the shark? 601 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: I would told shark battery conundrum real? What is it 602 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: a kobayashima room? 603 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,240 Speaker 3: There is no question for the ages. 604 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can probably escape that. I don't 605 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: think the battery would electrify the entire ocean or whatever. Like, 606 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: I think you irrelevant. Agreed, though, shark's equal scary and 607 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: they will eat your ass. 608 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: Shark attacks are such a it's like the old John 609 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 3: mulaney joke about quicksand quicksand is way less of a 610 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 3: threat in your adult life than it seems when you're 611 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 3: a k and sharks are an easily avoidable threat. 612 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 613 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 3: You earlier asked me in a previous I think it 614 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 3: was strange news or maybe an episode. We're talking about this. 615 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: You straight up asked me whether you thought whether I 616 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: was confident that I can fight a shark. 617 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, PvP is the term we've been using TVP Yes, yeah, 618 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 2: you think, yeah, And we didn't have an Australian listener 619 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: right in with incredulity about your ability to do so 620 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 2: with a kangaroo. 621 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, folks, I understand the skepticism, but youet thumbs, 622 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 3: you got agility. Kangaroos are forward moving threats that make sideways. 623 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: They can do you know, they could do stuff if 624 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 3: they were, but they're not boxers. 625 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 626 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to hurt one. I just think it's. 627 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to get your hands dirty if you're 628 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 2: in the ring. 629 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 3: You can't just bob And I'm just saying if you're 630 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 3: in a situation. 631 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: But I believe your point about the shark was it 632 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: would you mean a little bit of a handicap? I 633 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: need to not be fully immersed right. 634 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: Right, right right, So we in this discourse, so we 635 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 3: want to hear from you, folks. We differentiated on our 636 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 3: leader boards between maritime animals and surface animals. So nol. 637 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 3: The question on everybody's mind right now is to you 638 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 3: you in particular, sir, what is one of the most 639 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 3: dangerous surface animals? Well, it's the human being then, I 640 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 3: mean not non human, non human. 641 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: The most dangerous game. I don't know. Bears are pretty gnarly. Yeah, 642 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 2: they'll they'll there, they'll rip you up. 643 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 3: I never believed that Daily cropic story. 644 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh what what was the Davy croc? 645 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he killed a bar with. 646 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 2: Threes? I don't know. I hes some when he was 647 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 2: only three, which that's definitely three year olds. Have you 648 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: seen them? They're useless, they can't do it. 649 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 3: Wow, hot takes uh Yeah, but you know, like I've 650 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 3: been talking about this on Instagram, Twitter, various social media platforms, 651 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 3: hanging out with people because I'm fun at parties obviously, 652 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 3: and one of the questions that came up was about 653 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 3: you man. People were asking me which bird Noel thinks 654 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 3: is the most dangerous surface animal. They just assumed that 655 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 3: it would be about They assumed that you would go bird, Well, I. 656 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 2: Wouldn't know, And now that's it's the most terrifying to 657 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: me personally. It would be the casuary, you know, the 658 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: velociraptor esque dinosaur remnant, you know, walks on two legs 659 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,720 Speaker 2: and will disembalue you with its long you know, razor 660 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 2: sharp who wouldn't be scared of nothing. But well, the 661 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 2: Internet says that it's the hippopotamus. 662 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, the hippo has the highest kill count, but the 663 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 3: hippo is also extremely stupid. 664 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not. They're they're also I don't know, 665 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: maybe I guess are we talking about most likely encounter 666 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 2: you know you definitely, yeah, killing five hundred people a 667 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 2: year in Africa. I guess it's because they're just aggressive 668 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 2: and they just tend to get freaked out really easily 669 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 2: and kind of like just you know. 670 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 3: They have poor eyesight. Oh yeah, and they're real they're 671 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 3: real chonkers. It's similar to the problem of the rhinoceros, 672 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 3: but the hippo is more dangerous. Uh. The the way 673 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 3: we were thinking about the leaderboard is the idea of 674 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 3: which animal could whip every other animal. So like, could 675 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 3: a tiger fight a hippo, for example, a Siberian tiger 676 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 3: would it? 677 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 2: No, it would, yeah, I would, it would eat it. 678 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 2: I think it would. 679 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 5: I mean hippos are aren't aren't They picked off? Usually 680 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 5: like because they're so stupid in their eyesight's so bad, 681 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 5: like guard hippos often you know, killed by other predatory 682 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 5: and they're chonkers. 683 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 3: Though, is the thing like, uh, gators won't or crocodiles right, 684 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 3: large reptiles don't usually mess with the hippo. 685 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 2: They're just too formidable, just too really. Dogs with rabies 686 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 2: kill fifty nine thousand people per year. Wow, just from 687 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 2: BBC Science Focused. I don't think this is bullshit. Snakes 688 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty eight thousand humans a year. This 689 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 2: is you know, because again we're talking about much broader 690 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 2: categories of animal now rather than just like a particular 691 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 2: type you know, hippo right right, Yeah, Snakes is number 692 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 2: three according to this list. Mosquitoes we forgot about mosquitoes. Well, 693 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 2: they're not large disease Okay, they. 694 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 3: Have a huge like they have a huge skill count 695 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 3: in that they are the one of the most most 696 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 3: murderous life forms toward humans. 697 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 2: Humans is number two though, four hundred thousand deaths per year. 698 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 3: Get it together, guys. 699 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 2: Number one as one hundred and thirty eight thousand dogs 700 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 2: with rabies not large, I guess medium size fifty nine 701 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 2: k a year. Something called assassin bugs gozas bugs spread. 702 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 2: They're primary spreaders of the deadly chagas disease. It's a 703 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 2: bloodsucking predator and found in Central and South America. The 704 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: Choggas disease potentially fatal and is transmitted through an assassin 705 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 2: bug bite or by consumption of cold food or drink 706 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 2: that has been infected by the incense insect and or 707 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 2: its feces, which carries the protozoan trippan tripanosoma cruisy also 708 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,720 Speaker 2: known as T cruzy. It's ta cruisy less scary sounding. 709 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 2: Scorpions are a big killer. Crocodiles a thousand. I think 710 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 2: those are what are we talking when we say large though? 711 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: Do we have a threshold for that? I think we 712 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 2: need a little bit more data around the data points. 713 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great. This is where we need help 714 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: from our fellow conspiracy realist. Also, quick point of correction, 715 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 3: hippos do use their eyesight. Rhinos are the ones that 716 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 3: are tragically near sighted. Hippos aren't intelligent. Just to be clear, 717 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 3: they're not very smart, but they primarily use their hearing 718 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 3: when they're underwater and when they get out of the water, 719 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 3: they're looking around like where's the watermelon? Or who do 720 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 3: I bite? At this point, I love your question about 721 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 3: our threshold. We've got to figure this out. We need 722 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 3: your help, fellow conspiracy realists join us for the most 723 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 3: Dangerous Animal leader board. We've got excellent discourse going on 724 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 3: on Twitter about this. No, you raise fantastic points there. 725 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 3: I think that's our most immediate question. What is the 726 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 3: threshold for quote unquote large animal? Tell us all about it, 727 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 3: and also if you have if you have provable psychic 728 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 3: power or a proven means of preventing weaponized psychic powers, 729 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 3: we want to hear from you. We try to be 730 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 3: easy to find online. 731 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 2: Or hit us up via the psychic plane. 732 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 3: There is get too many. 733 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 2: I saw the TV glow fans out there. You can 734 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 2: find us however on the Internet if that's your bag 735 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 2: at the handle conspiracy stuff where we exist. On to 736 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 2: Ben's point, x fka Twitter. You know, I actually saw 737 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,919 Speaker 2: a staff the other day, Ben that like ninety percent 738 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 2: of the media still refers to x as X formerly 739 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 2: known as Twitter. You're by making it one of the 740 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 2: least successful rebrands in the history of rebrands, just putting 741 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 2: that out there because we're one of them. Yeah, that's 742 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 2: also conspiracy stuff. On Facebook. We have our Here's where 743 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 2: it Gets Crazy Facebook group where you can get in 744 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 2: on the conversation and on youtubehere. We have video content 745 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 2: coming at you on the regular on Instagram and TikTok. However, 746 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 2: we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. 747 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 3: You can also give us a phone call on a 748 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 3: telephonic device. The number is one eight three three stdyk. 749 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 3: When you call in, you will hear a hopefully familiar 750 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 3: voice and then a peep like so pep After that beep, 751 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 3: that's sort of your gunshot. At the beginning of the race, 752 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,439 Speaker 3: you have three minutes. Those three minutes are yours. Tell 753 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 3: us what's on your mind. Tell us the name you 754 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 3: would like to be referred to. Let us know if 755 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 3: we can use your name and or message on the air. 756 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 3: Most importantly, do not censor yourself. One of the best 757 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 3: ways to contact us as a group is also email. 758 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 3: Give us the links, give us the pictures, take us 759 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 3: to the edge of the rabbit hole, and we will 760 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 3: do the rest. Just drop us a line at our 761 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 3: good old fashioned email address. 762 00:48:39,920 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 6: Where we are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 763 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 3: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production 764 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 765 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.