WEBVTT - 031123 CPAC- Republican Presidential Candidates (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now go my mic back.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like that time strikes with waters from headquarters behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're just tuning in a civic cipher, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host. Rams's jeah, he is jah.

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<v Speaker 3>I am q ward And you are now either tuned

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<v Speaker 3>in or tuned back in Pacific scipe.

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<v Speaker 1>In, dude, you are stick around. We got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more show in store for you. We're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Sea pac Man. I never thought I'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that. Sounds like a lot, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is the Conservative Political Action Conference. It's a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to know about, so I think we need

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about and so stay tuned, because far be

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<v Speaker 1>it from us to leave you uninformed. We're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend a little bit of time talking about our

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<v Speaker 1>way black history. Fact. Uh came across a strange story

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<v Speaker 1>I never learned about growing up. Funny how that works,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a bombing police bombing in New York

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<v Speaker 1>City where they bombed a neighborhood and killed the bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people and a bunch of little kids. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course you didn't know about it. But we have this

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<v Speaker 1>microphone and an audience, so we're going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>all about that again for our way, black history tract

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, So it's time for us to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>threads dot com. All right, for today's Bob, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to shout out John Stewart And if you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>his interview circulating on the internet, he did an amazing job, incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>incredible job addressing some conservative hypocrisies and we feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that is in alignment with much of what it is

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to do on this show. So he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>directly talk about black issues per se, but pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>the hypocrisy to.

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<v Speaker 3>Exact, most of that hypocrisy is just aimed at decent people, right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also his whole career he's been very much

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<v Speaker 1>an ally. So I'll read a bit John Stewart was

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<v Speaker 1>with Nathan Dom and he's quoted as saying, you're telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to children that have died, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>give a flying F word to stop that because that

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<v Speaker 1>shall not be infringed. Stuart said, all right, when Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>State Senator Nathan Dom tried to argue to John Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>that loose gun laws make citizens safer. The TV host

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hearing it. He says, quote, I'm a strong proponent

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<v Speaker 1>of the Second Amendment. That's what the lawmaker said on

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday's episode of the Problem with John. Stewart goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I believe the right to keep in bare

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<v Speaker 1>arms shall not be in fringe. He added, emphasizing that

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<v Speaker 1>it's the one amendment that uses very specific affirmative language.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so it's the one that uses the phrase well regulated. Stuart,

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<v Speaker 1>who added that he's not opposed to the Second Amendment, reply,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ban guns, but you're saying more

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<v Speaker 1>guns makes us safe. So when we got four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million guns in the country, we had an increase in

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<v Speaker 1>gun desks went up. Steward added, So, when exactly does

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<v Speaker 1>the curve hit what takes it down? Would a billion

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<v Speaker 1>guns do it? And then he goes on to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about trans rights and a whole bunch of other things,

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<v Speaker 1>just pointing out a lot of conservative hypocrisies. Please check

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<v Speaker 1>that interview out. It was masterful, a masterclass and how

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<v Speaker 1>to shut down people who know they're wrong and are

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, for some reason, committed to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>dead guys that are no longer alive and their idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what we should be doing in a modern war

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<v Speaker 1>where guns can mow down malls full of people speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of hypocrisies and hypocrites and conservative hypocrisies and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. I got to say something before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into this. Conservative people, in principle are not bad people.

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned recently. Excuse me, I'm going somewhere with this,

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<v Speaker 1>QX me. I'm going somewhere with this. I'm sorry, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned. We have met both of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm going with this. People who are

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<v Speaker 1>decent people. There are people who are very conservative who

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<v Speaker 1>have allowed this show to be on the radio station

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<v Speaker 1>that you're listening to right now. Right So when we

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<v Speaker 1>point out a lot of the hypocrisies that we see,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not talking about all conservative people. There are

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<v Speaker 1>different There are people who have a different belief system.

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<v Speaker 1>They want small government, They very much believe in I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do for me, you do for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>where we end up is where we end up. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people who believe in lots of things, you know, God,

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<v Speaker 1>guns and country doesn't necessarily make them bad folks. It's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not my philosophy, but that doesn't make them awful people. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me. What we're talking about now, rather is what

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<v Speaker 1>we find in the political arena, not your individual belief

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<v Speaker 1>system in your home.

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<v Speaker 3>Unless your individual belief system and your support shapes the

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<v Speaker 3>way that you vote, there you go and you continue

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<v Speaker 3>to vote and support the Conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I laughed. And when you ignore the realities

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<v Speaker 1>for your fellow man and fail to heed the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>of a vote that you cast and how that might

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<v Speaker 1>have a negative impact on other people, and have not

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<v Speaker 1>developed or cultivated your sense of empathy for other people

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<v Speaker 1>to the degree that you might pause before casting a

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<v Speaker 1>ballot for some of these folks. Yes, absolutely you. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talk to a lot of people who,

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<v Speaker 1>again are conservative folks who are like, listen, man, that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the ex president or whoever it is that they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>to carry Let you know, she's a kook, man. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in sensible leadership. My preference is a more conservative approach. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So again, we're not talking about you, those people, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess right, we got a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>those people still cast those and that's that's the tough part.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I don't care about the part that that's

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<v Speaker 3>the tough part of it. I know what you mean,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's tough for me too. I miss a time

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<v Speaker 3>where identifying as conservative, gop Republican didn't mean mean divisive, extreme, racist, bigoted,

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<v Speaker 3>And I could go on a long list.

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<v Speaker 1>And subscribe to a detached reality that is not in

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<v Speaker 1>any way shared meaningfully among all of humanity. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people that have opinions about climate change, for instance, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know the morality of abortion rights or whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and an abortion is a tough one because some people

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<v Speaker 1>have that connected with religion or personal feelings about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But even those people don't carry that on. Right, that baby,

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<v Speaker 3>that human being that you cared so much about, you

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<v Speaker 3>should still care once they're born.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you, care as much once they're born, anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>to argue as loudly once they're born, be as like

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<v Speaker 3>Christ once they're born. Otherwise, miss me with the entire stance,

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<v Speaker 3>miss me with the performative evangelism, miss me with the

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<v Speaker 3>performative outrage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where we're going. That's where we're going, because we

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<v Speaker 1>see that more often in the political arena these days

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<v Speaker 1>than we've ever seen it before. And so again in

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<v Speaker 1>today's episodes, we're not talking about the everyman. Rather, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the elected official right and those that vote

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<v Speaker 1>for them. I am not letting you off the hook today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I can't. I'm a father. Go ahead, you

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<v Speaker 1>hold me accountable. But you know what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>So SEAPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, is a conference

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<v Speaker 1>of conservative people where they get together and have like

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative party about who they want to put forth,

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<v Speaker 1>who they want to support in terms of who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to shape the country in different parts of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what policies we agree on, what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of plans or you know, uh, programs that we want

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<v Speaker 1>to put forward. This sort of thing. I've heard of SEAPAC,

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<v Speaker 1>but I never had to pay attention to it until

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<v Speaker 1>you know now, I'm being honest. And the main takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>from this most recent one was that Donald Trump was there,

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<v Speaker 1>Ronda Santis wasn't there, and that when Nikki Haley was

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<v Speaker 1>person who's also running for president for the potential Republican

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<v Speaker 1>nomination was there, but she kind of was jeered out

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<v Speaker 1>of the building, and she was speaking to a house

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<v Speaker 1>that was not nearly as packed as they would have hoped,

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<v Speaker 1>even Donald Trump had twenty percent of his seats MP.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, we're just telling you about this so that

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<v Speaker 1>you're aware of who these people are and what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas they have about this country. And bear in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that they're going to run against potentially Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting reality. This is an interesting timeline

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<v Speaker 1>that we're living in, because you know, that's where's somebody

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<v Speaker 1>need to call Obama back because we're not done. You texted,

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could anyway. All right, So we'll start. The

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<v Speaker 1>main guy there, of course, was Donald Trump. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>quoted is saying this comes from Yahoo. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quoted, is saying, in twenty sixteen, I declared I

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<v Speaker 1>am your voice, Trump said to the ballroom packed he's

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<v Speaker 1>that term loosely with his most fervent loyalist at the

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<v Speaker 1>Conservative Political Action Conference, to some of the loudest sustained

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<v Speaker 1>applause of the night. He goes on to say, today

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<v Speaker 1>I add I am your warrior, I am your justice.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who have been wronged and betrayed. I

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<v Speaker 1>am your retribution. I will totally obliterate the deep state. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when they said it was a packed ballroom, there's another

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<v Speaker 1>note here that says twenty percent of the seats were empty.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Donald Trump was like kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>highlight of the night right. He's the are the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>favorite I suppose for president. They did a straw pole,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say there, and it showed that he

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<v Speaker 1>had sixty two percent support for the nomination for Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>for president in so that could change, but we all

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<v Speaker 1>know we've lived in that timeline with Donald Trump, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we know what to expect. There. A delusional old

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<v Speaker 1>man who is angry at everybody and makes up stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the fly, has no real political solutions or anything

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<v Speaker 1>that affects people who live real lives.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet he has a lot that affects people that

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<v Speaker 3>positive lives, positive just in a very very harmful way.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's this guy's in this kind of thin

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<v Speaker 1>veneer of oh he got some people out of jail

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<v Speaker 1>or you know whatever proformative stuff that he added. But

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<v Speaker 1>those of us said, no, we know, all right, so

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<v Speaker 1>we won't spend too much time talking about him. God knows,

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<v Speaker 1>we've spent enough. Let's talk about this newcomer, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this comes rather from Time magazine, not from Yahoo.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So a former UN ambassador under Trump, NICKI Haley,

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<v Speaker 1>aged fifty one, got a warm welcome from the Seapac

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<v Speaker 1>crowd and she began her remarks. She focused her speech

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<v Speaker 1>mostly on criticizing President Joe Biden and socialist Democrats. She

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<v Speaker 1>did indirectly jab the former president by pointing out that

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven of the

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<v Speaker 1>last eight presidential elections, and by calling for a mental

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<v Speaker 1>competency test for all politicians over seventy five years old,

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<v Speaker 1>which would apply to Trump seventy six, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the threat posed by China and drew no direct contrasts

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump. Okay, So I want to go back through that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Nikki Hayley, this potential candidate for president, said that

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans lost the popular vote in seven of the last

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<v Speaker 1>eight presidential elections. So there's that. That is a prominent

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<v Speaker 1>Republican figure acknowledging that Republicans have to play this game

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<v Speaker 1>in order to hold power. They have to play this

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<v Speaker 1>You know what is that thing called the electoral college game,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't necessarily mean this is what the people want.

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<v Speaker 1>It simply means this is how you can beat the system.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how you can win the system, not the people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way reflects what the majority of the folks want.

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<v Speaker 3>Acknowledging that, and this is how you can beat that

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<v Speaker 3>system every time, because it's not going to change, even

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<v Speaker 3>with all all of its faults and all of its

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<v Speaker 3>holes being clear to the eye of most discerning, responsible adults,

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<v Speaker 3>it is still going to remain the same. That a

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<v Speaker 3>place this small has the same voice as a place

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<v Speaker 3>this big. That I got further away from the mic. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys can't see nobody I got you even in

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<v Speaker 3>listening to me describe that. You should be able to

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<v Speaker 3>paint a picture in your head because you know it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't make any sense yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really important too, too to point out, because

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<v Speaker 1>the fact is that acknowledgment says a mouthful. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we happen to know that most of the people, and

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people who are registered to vote are

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<v Speaker 1>more liberal leaning voters. However, the people who vote most

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<v Speaker 1>frequently and are way more involved politically tend to be

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<v Speaker 1>more conservative. And this is how unfortunately, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>the country rather is uh shaped is the right word shaped,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by conservatives and liberals, when the truth is

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<v Speaker 1>we should be a much more liberal leaning country that

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<v Speaker 1>they've taught us to fear the words that we should

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<v Speaker 1>be we are. Yeah, in fact we are. Based on

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<v Speaker 1>the human level, we are, but based on our policies

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<v Speaker 1>and our laws, based on laws and all their numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>We are based on how we participate in the political process.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a it's a toss up, right, and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>you guys's fault, right, people who identify in that group

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<v Speaker 3>that is losing this fight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not you guys's fault. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The system does not provide you with choices, options, and

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<v Speaker 3>or candidates that you can be excited about. Far too often, however,

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<v Speaker 3>we also self cannibalize, judge and micro manage ourselves in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that causes us to kind of scrutinize on

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<v Speaker 3>a level that's too high when you know the other

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<v Speaker 3>side isn't doing that, Like at some point you got

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<v Speaker 3>to play this game by their rules or keep losing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so she has to know that based on

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<v Speaker 1>that she there's a very good chance that she might

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<v Speaker 1>be elected to the highest office in Miland and not

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<v Speaker 1>represent most of the people. And that's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a strange position to be. And now, if you're them

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<v Speaker 1>and you're holding on the power, you know, you might

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<v Speaker 1>be ready for that, you know. But I again, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that says an outfault. I want to move on,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. She said she the popular vote, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wants a mental competency test for politicians seventy five years old.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's something there too. I like

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of village elders, you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of wisdom in those years, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a tendency to be a stick in the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the very likelihood that you know, the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>you make now, you're not going to have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with them. So if you choose to ignore your impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the climate on the planet, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be around to see what that looks like, and us

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<v Speaker 1>and our children will be And so there is something

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<v Speaker 1>there about having people be examined to see how competent

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<v Speaker 1>they are. And I feel like there's there's something to that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not that's discriminatory, who knows, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>at least keep us a little bit more progressive in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of our ideas. But I don't think I would

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<v Speaker 1>just like get behind an idea like that and champion it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just that's worth listening to, I suppose. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like I said, some thinly veiled jabs at

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and then talked about the threat of China. These

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<v Speaker 1>are all things that are kind of beyond the scope

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<v Speaker 1>of what it is we talk about here.

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<v Speaker 3>But not to kind of breeze by, but shout at

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<v Speaker 3>her for having the courage, even if they're thinly veiled

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<v Speaker 3>shots at Trump, to take shots at Trump, right, She

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<v Speaker 3>at least has enough courage to stand for some actual beliefs,

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<v Speaker 3>even if I don't agree with those beliefs, to call

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<v Speaker 3>this dude out as not that's it, That's what I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying. That's brave, because alienating yourself and putting yourself

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to him has been political suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, let's get there for those in his party

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<v Speaker 1>rather all right, so let's wrap this up. Haley the

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<v Speaker 1>first major candidate to officially challenge Donald Trump for the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination was berated by Heckler's

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<v Speaker 1>Friday as she exited the Conservative Political Action Conference outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Washington. And I think they were shouting something like

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<v Speaker 1>we won Trump or something like that as she was leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>so very disrespectful. It was Trump's crowd. So what are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna do? Right now? The elephant in the room

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<v Speaker 1>Ron DeSantis. And this is where we need to really

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of a conversation. Now. You might know

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<v Speaker 1>about Rond de Santis if you're listening to this show

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<v Speaker 1>this far, and I have no doubt that you know

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<v Speaker 1>who he is. He's another Republican favorite for everybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>turned off by Donald Trump there turned on by this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not as old. I think he's like in his

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<v Speaker 1>mid forties. He's extremely conservative and he's getting stuff done.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we replace that word, because that's not what you

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<v Speaker 3>actually mean. You said he's extremely conservative, which means he's

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<v Speaker 3>extremely into the way that conservative GOP Republican candidates and

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<v Speaker 3>political people think, speak and act. That word doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 3>mean that though. Okay, the word conservative doesn't mean extreme

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<v Speaker 3>racist bigot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, go fire me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know a better word to you. Yes, I say,

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<v Speaker 3>when you say he's extremely conservative, as you said it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, but that's not what he means.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the better word to you. Listen, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you can be I'll be. Remember kem Peel when they

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<v Speaker 1>did the Obama anger translator, you can be that, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, I didn't, But I didn't even mean as

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<v Speaker 3>a translation, just as a you guys can't see us.

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<v Speaker 3>I am. I listen to our show just like you,

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<v Speaker 3>except I get to listen to it while we're making it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm an audience for ram this when he speaks.

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<v Speaker 3>So when he said he's extremely conservative, my mind made

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<v Speaker 3>me change the way I was sitting, like, because I

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<v Speaker 3>know what extremely conservative means, and I know that's not

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<v Speaker 3>what Rams this means. He means he's extremely politically right,

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<v Speaker 3>extremely GOP Trump era MAGA conservative republican far right political person,

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<v Speaker 3>not the word conservative. My grandmother was extremely conservative, Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>The way she brought us up, the way we attended church,

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<v Speaker 3>our actual core beliefs of our family, the way she

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<v Speaker 3>spent money, the way she saved and invested in all

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<v Speaker 3>those things. She was extremely conservative. Rams this means something

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<v Speaker 3>completely I don't know. If different is the word, but

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<v Speaker 3>not what the word conservative means and on its.

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<v Speaker 1>Face, Okay, I appreciate pointing that out. So anyway, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Rond de Santis, so far he's denounced a full on

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<v Speaker 1>attack on woke ideology for some reason, whereas like socialism

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<v Speaker 1>and being woke have been co opted and turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. I love socialist programs people, So does

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<v Speaker 1>Ron de Santis, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>So do all of the hyper rich, hyper powerful people

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<v Speaker 3>in this when it benefits them, because they use socialist

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<v Speaker 3>principles to benefit each other all the time. What they

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<v Speaker 3>mean is that we don't want we don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>collectively help poor people. That's what they mean when they

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<v Speaker 3>try to denounce socialism when it's rich people helping other

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<v Speaker 3>rich and powerful people stay rich and powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>So they social. But he also talks about like woke ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I'm man, I'm woke, af I'll stay that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this guy must be sleep Go ahead, Doug,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's he's Uh. There's a video I saw he

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<v Speaker 1>was telling a cheering crowd that in Florida, that Florida

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<v Speaker 1>is where woke goes to die, right and woke? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what woke is even progressive, trying to create and

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<v Speaker 1>cultivate a better world for all of us where it's

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<v Speaker 1>inclusive and everybody gets a seat at the table. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's staunchly opposed to that. So, like I said, dude

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<v Speaker 1>to Priba Sleep, I don't know. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, when we brought his name up in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, it was because of his attacks on teaching

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<v Speaker 1>what he calls critical race theory, what is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>and in practice accurate and full American history to kids,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we understand who we are, why we ended

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<v Speaker 1>up where we are, and what we can do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he, according to that same poll that put trumpets

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent, had about twenty percent of the support at Seapack,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that could change. These are the names to

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<v Speaker 1>bear in mind, and of course we had to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, So bear that in mind. All right, now

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for the Way Black Historyffect. Today's Way Black

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<v Speaker 1>History Fact is sponsored by the Black Information Network Daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find that out at iHeart dot com or

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<v Speaker 1>binnews dot com. And I will be reading from the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times now Again this made its way to

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<v Speaker 1>me recently. I had no idea and so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>learn this together right. Thirty five years after Move bombing

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<v Speaker 1>that killed eleven, Philadelphia apologizes all right. Police helicopter dropped

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<v Speaker 1>an explosive charge onto the roof of a rowhouse during

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<v Speaker 1>an arm standoff in nineteen eighty five. The resultant fire

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed sixty one homes in a West Philadelphia neighborhood. The

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia City Council this week formally apologized for the decision

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty five to drop an improvised bomb on

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<v Speaker 1>a row house occupied by the Move separatist group, a

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<v Speaker 1>desperate action that resulted in a fire that killed eleven

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<v Speaker 1>and destroyed sixty one homes. I remember five of them

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<v Speaker 1>were children. I'm not mistaken. The resolution marked the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that the city had formally apologized for the action. Measure,

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<v Speaker 1>which also calls for an annual day of remembrance on

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<v Speaker 1>May thirteenth, the anniversary of the bombing, was sponsored by

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Gautier, a city councilwoman who grew up near the

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<v Speaker 1>West Philadelphia neighborhood where the bombing happened. Mss Gautier recalled

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<v Speaker 1>watching the aftermath of the bombing on television as a

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<v Speaker 1>child and said that the neighborhood was only now starting

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<v Speaker 1>to fully recover from the devastation. Quote, there have been

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<v Speaker 1>divisions in our city between police and community for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think if we had done the true work

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<v Speaker 1>of acknowledging what happened with MOVE and other acts of

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<v Speaker 1>police violence, and we had really worked on not only

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<v Speaker 1>the acknowledgment, but the building better relationships and working toward reconciliation,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't find ourselves in the place we are now,

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<v Speaker 1>she said. In an interview. She goes on to say

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<v Speaker 1>it was always striking to me that we did this,

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<v Speaker 1>that our city did this, and no one was ever

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<v Speaker 1>held accountable. She added, I thought that was unconscionable. Mosgatier

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<v Speaker 1>began circulating a draft resolution before the May thirteenth anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of the Move attack, but the efforts stalled and then

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<v Speaker 1>was delayed because of coronavirus restrictions. The May twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 1>killing of George Floyd gave renewed energy to the resolution,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, and the need to recognize the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>police killings of black people have had on the community

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<v Speaker 1>grew even more with the October twenty sixth killing of

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Wallace Junior, who was fatally shot by the police

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<v Speaker 1>during the encounter in the same neighborhood where the move

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<v Speaker 1>home once stood. In a statement, Mayor Jim Kinney of

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia acknowledged the resolution's importance quote in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>learn from our past and do better by our residents

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. This annual day of observation is a

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<v Speaker 1>positive step in the healing process of our city. Our

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<v Speaker 1>city desperately needs, he said. Goes on to say, this

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<v Speaker 1>year we saw the pain and trauma caused by the

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<v Speaker 1>move bombing is still alive in West Philadelphia, so I

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<v Speaker 1>commend Counsel for taking the step toward healing. The mayor

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged missteps in the city's attempts to rebuild the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>in the years immediately following the attack was set in

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<v Speaker 1>a recent public private partnership which had succeeded in reconstructing

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<v Speaker 1>homes in the affected area. All Right move, a group

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<v Speaker 1>described by members as a quote back to nature movement

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<v Speaker 1>unquote that would return the United States to Native Americans

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<v Speaker 1>and do away with all government, was deemed an authoritarian,

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<v Speaker 1>violence threatening cult by city officials, who said the group

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<v Speaker 1>used threats, abuse, and intimidation to terrify their neighbors and

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<v Speaker 1>to bring about confrontation. At the time of the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>the police were acting to clear up the group out

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<v Speaker 1>of a row house at sixty two to twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>Osage Avenue in response to neighbors complaints of filthy conditions

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<v Speaker 1>in the house and night long amplified lectures from move members.

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<v Speaker 1>At six am on May thirteenth, eighteen sixty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia Police came under gunfire from police from sorry from

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<v Speaker 1>people inside the home, which led to a day long standoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the day, the Philadelphia Philadelphia Special Investigation Commission later

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<v Speaker 1>found the police fired more than ten thousand rounds of

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<v Speaker 1>ammunition in less than ninety minutes at the rowhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Just can you read that number?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me read that again. Sure? Throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia's Special Investigation Commission later found police fired more than

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand rounds of ammunition in less than ninety minutes

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<v Speaker 1>at the rowhouse, which was occupied by men, women, and children,

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<v Speaker 1>calling the police officers' actions clearly excessive and unreasonable. The

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<v Speaker 1>commission's report acknowledged that police were unable to fully suppress

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<v Speaker 1>the gunfire coming from the home, and that efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate with the people inside had been haphazard and fruitless.

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<v Speaker 1>Police bomb squad members fashioned an improvised bomb out of

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<v Speaker 1>plastic explosives, and an officer dropped the charge from a

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter onto the roof of the Move rowhouse in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to destroy a fortified bunker the group had built there.

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<v Speaker 1>At five twenty seven pm, the bomb detonated with which

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<v Speaker 1>started a fire that police ordered firefighters to let burn.

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<v Speaker 1>The blaze spread, ultimately destroying sixty other nearby homes. The

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<v Speaker 1>plan to bomb of this quote, The plan to bomb

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<v Speaker 1>the move houses was reckless, ill conceived, and hastily approved.

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<v Speaker 1>The Commission's reports, set in nineteen eighty six. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why that goes on quote. Dropping a bomb on an

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<v Speaker 1>occupied rowhouse was unconscionable and should have been rejected out

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<v Speaker 1>of hand. The hasty, reckless and irresponsible decision by the

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<v Speaker 1>police Commissioner and the fire commissioner to use the fire

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<v Speaker 1>as a tactical weapon was unconscionable. The report added. The

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<v Speaker 1>deaths of eleven people, six adults and five children, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police action were classified as unjustified homicides. Police Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>George J. Samber, who directed the aerial bombing, resigned in

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<v Speaker 1>November nineteen eighty five. At grand jury in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight cleared Mayor W. Wilson Good and other top city

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<v Speaker 1>officials of criminal liability for death and destruction resulting from

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<v Speaker 1>the operation Shocking. In an op ed published by the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian on May tenth, mister Good, the former mayor, called

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<v Speaker 1>the city too, called on the city to issue a

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<v Speaker 1>formal apology for the attack. Quote, I apologize and encourage

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<v Speaker 1>others to do the same, mister Good wrote, we will

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<v Speaker 1>be a better city for it, all right. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about that. I didn't color that in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. That's New York Times. So if that was

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<v Speaker 1>colored in a way to paint a picture about anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the time. So you know what they're on either way,

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<v Speaker 1>for people that are speaking on loud speakers, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>living as you would as one would live with nature

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<v Speaker 1>in the city of Philadelphia, which other people may not

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<v Speaker 1>think is up to their standards or you know whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they said, filthy conditions, But to me that means that

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<v Speaker 1>they probably were growing their own food in the yard

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<v Speaker 1>or something I don't know. And then of course their

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<v Speaker 1>amplifiers were too loud when they were giving their speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean let's bomb them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean and you have to imagine the type of

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<v Speaker 3>people that were okay with specifically ordering to allow these

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<v Speaker 3>fires to burn with intent of murdering. People would consider

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<v Speaker 3>anything filthy that doesn't look move or behave move, behave

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<v Speaker 3>love or pray the way they do.

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<v Speaker 1>So that Black Lives Matter statement was a long time coming,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's hard to imagine the police blowing up a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of kids in the building that didn't look like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why they're then getting getting away from Scott free. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's why there's no such examples of it ever happening period.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not wrong, But that's about it for us here

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