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Speaker 1: more show in store for you. We're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about Sea pac Man. I never thought I'd have
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Speaker 1: is the Conservative Political Action Conference. It's a thing that
Speaker 1: you need to know about, so I think we need
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Speaker 1: it from us to leave you uninformed. We're also going
Speaker 1: to spend a little bit of time talking about our
Speaker 1: way black history. Fact. Uh came across a strange story
Speaker 1: I never learned about growing up. Funny how that works,
Speaker 1: and it was a bombing police bombing in New York
Speaker 1: City where they bombed a neighborhood and killed the bunch
Speaker 1: of people and a bunch of little kids. And of
Speaker 1: course you didn't know about it. But we have this
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Speaker 1: to shout out John Stewart And if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: his interview circulating on the internet, he did an amazing job, incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible job addressing some conservative hypocrisies and we feel like
Speaker 1: that is in alignment with much of what it is
Speaker 1: we're trying to do on this show. So he didn't
Speaker 1: directly talk about black issues per se, but pointing out
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy to.
Speaker 3: Exact, most of that hypocrisy is just aimed at decent people, right, right.
Speaker 1: And then also his whole career he's been very much
Speaker 1: an ally. So I'll read a bit John Stewart was
Speaker 1: with Nathan Dom and he's quoted as saying, you're telling me,
Speaker 1: when it comes to children that have died, you don't
Speaker 1: give a flying F word to stop that because that
Speaker 1: shall not be infringed. Stuart said, all right, when Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State Senator Nathan Dom tried to argue to John Stewart
Speaker 1: that loose gun laws make citizens safer. The TV host
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing it. He says, quote, I'm a strong proponent
Speaker 1: of the Second Amendment. That's what the lawmaker said on
Speaker 1: Thursday's episode of the Problem with John. Stewart goes on
Speaker 1: to say, I believe the right to keep in bare
Speaker 1: arms shall not be in fringe. He added, emphasizing that
Speaker 1: it's the one amendment that uses very specific affirmative language.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's the one that uses the phrase well regulated. Stuart,
Speaker 1: who added that he's not opposed to the Second Amendment, reply,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ban guns, but you're saying more
Speaker 1: guns makes us safe. So when we got four hundred
Speaker 1: million guns in the country, we had an increase in
Speaker 1: gun desks went up. Steward added, So, when exactly does
Speaker 1: the curve hit what takes it down? Would a billion
Speaker 1: guns do it? And then he goes on to talk
Speaker 1: about trans rights and a whole bunch of other things,
Speaker 1: just pointing out a lot of conservative hypocrisies. Please check
Speaker 1: that interview out. It was masterful, a masterclass and how
Speaker 1: to shut down people who know they're wrong and are
Speaker 1: some reason, for some reason, committed to a bunch of
Speaker 1: dead guys that are no longer alive and their idea
Speaker 1: of what we should be doing in a modern war
Speaker 1: where guns can mow down malls full of people speaking
Speaker 1: of hypocrisies and hypocrites and conservative hypocrisies and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. I got to say something before we get
Speaker 1: into this. Conservative people, in principle are not bad people.
Speaker 1: I've learned recently. Excuse me, I'm going somewhere with this,
Speaker 1: QX me. I'm going somewhere with this. I'm sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: I've learned. We have met both of us, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm going with this. People who are
Speaker 1: decent people. There are people who are very conservative who
Speaker 1: have allowed this show to be on the radio station
Speaker 1: that you're listening to right now. Right So when we
Speaker 1: point out a lot of the hypocrisies that we see,
Speaker 1: we are not talking about all conservative people. There are
Speaker 1: different There are people who have a different belief system.
Speaker 1: They want small government, They very much believe in I'm
Speaker 1: going to do for me, you do for you, and
Speaker 1: where we end up is where we end up. There
Speaker 1: are people who believe in lots of things, you know, God,
Speaker 1: guns and country doesn't necessarily make them bad folks. It's
Speaker 1: certainly not my philosophy, but that doesn't make them awful people. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: excuse me. What we're talking about now, rather is what
Speaker 1: we find in the political arena, not your individual belief
Speaker 1: system in your home.
Speaker 3: Unless your individual belief system and your support shapes the
Speaker 3: way that you vote, there you go and you continue
Speaker 3: to vote and support the Conservatives.
Speaker 1: That's why I laughed. And when you ignore the realities
Speaker 1: for your fellow man and fail to heed the gravity
Speaker 1: of a vote that you cast and how that might
Speaker 1: have a negative impact on other people, and have not
Speaker 1: developed or cultivated your sense of empathy for other people
Speaker 1: to the degree that you might pause before casting a
Speaker 1: ballot for some of these folks. Yes, absolutely you. But
Speaker 1: you know, we talk to a lot of people who,
Speaker 1: again are conservative folks who are like, listen, man, that guy,
Speaker 1: the ex president or whoever it is that they're talking
Speaker 1: to carry Let you know, she's a kook, man. I
Speaker 1: believe in sensible leadership. My preference is a more conservative approach. Okay,
Speaker 1: So again, we're not talking about you, those people, if
Speaker 1: you know them.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess right, we got a lot of
Speaker 3: those people still cast those and that's that's the tough part.
Speaker 3: And then I don't care about the part that that's
Speaker 3: the tough part of it. I know what you mean,
Speaker 3: because it's tough for me too. I miss a time
Speaker 3: where identifying as conservative, gop Republican didn't mean mean divisive, extreme, racist, bigoted,
Speaker 3: And I could go on a long list.
Speaker 1: And subscribe to a detached reality that is not in
Speaker 1: any way shared meaningfully among all of humanity. You know,
Speaker 1: people that have opinions about climate change, for instance, or
Speaker 1: you know the morality of abortion rights or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: and an abortion is a tough one because some people
Speaker 1: have that connected with religion or personal feelings about it.
Speaker 3: But even those people don't carry that on. Right, that baby,
Speaker 3: that human being that you cared so much about, you
Speaker 3: should still care once they're born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, care as much once they're born, anyway,
Speaker 3: to argue as loudly once they're born, be as like
Speaker 3: Christ once they're born. Otherwise, miss me with the entire stance,
Speaker 3: miss me with the performative evangelism, miss me with the
Speaker 3: performative outrage.
Speaker 1: That's where we're going. That's where we're going, because we
Speaker 1: see that more often in the political arena these days
Speaker 1: than we've ever seen it before. And so again in
Speaker 1: today's episodes, we're not talking about the everyman. Rather, we're
Speaker 1: talking about the elected official right and those that vote
Speaker 1: for them. I am not letting you off the hook today.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I can't. I'm a father. Go ahead, you
Speaker 1: hold me accountable. But you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: So SEAPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, is a conference
Speaker 1: of conservative people where they get together and have like
Speaker 1: a conservative party about who they want to put forth,
Speaker 1: who they want to support in terms of who's going
Speaker 1: to shape the country in different parts of the country,
Speaker 1: and you know what policies we agree on, what sort
Speaker 1: of plans or you know, uh, programs that we want
Speaker 1: to put forward. This sort of thing. I've heard of SEAPAC,
Speaker 1: but I never had to pay attention to it until
Speaker 1: you know now, I'm being honest. And the main takeaway
Speaker 1: from this most recent one was that Donald Trump was there,
Speaker 1: Ronda Santis wasn't there, and that when Nikki Haley was
Speaker 1: person who's also running for president for the potential Republican
Speaker 1: nomination was there, but she kind of was jeered out
Speaker 1: of the building, and she was speaking to a house
Speaker 1: that was not nearly as packed as they would have hoped,
Speaker 1: even Donald Trump had twenty percent of his seats MP.
Speaker 1: So again, we're just telling you about this so that
Speaker 1: you're aware of who these people are and what sort
Speaker 1: of ideas they have about this country. And bear in
Speaker 1: mind that they're going to run against potentially Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: which is an interesting reality. This is an interesting timeline
Speaker 1: that we're living in, because you know, that's where's somebody
Speaker 1: need to call Obama back because we're not done. You texted,
Speaker 1: wish I could anyway. All right, So we'll start. The
Speaker 1: main guy there, of course, was Donald Trump. So he's
Speaker 1: quoted is saying this comes from Yahoo. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's quoted, is saying, in twenty sixteen, I declared I
Speaker 1: am your voice, Trump said to the ballroom packed he's
Speaker 1: that term loosely with his most fervent loyalist at the
Speaker 1: Conservative Political Action Conference, to some of the loudest sustained
Speaker 1: applause of the night. He goes on to say, today
Speaker 1: I add I am your warrior, I am your justice.
Speaker 1: And for those who have been wronged and betrayed. I
Speaker 1: am your retribution. I will totally obliterate the deep state. Now,
Speaker 1: when they said it was a packed ballroom, there's another
Speaker 1: note here that says twenty percent of the seats were empty.
Speaker 1: And of course Donald Trump was like kind of the
Speaker 1: highlight of the night right. He's the are the Republican
Speaker 1: favorite I suppose for president. They did a straw pole,
Speaker 1: I want to say there, and it showed that he
Speaker 1: had sixty two percent support for the nomination for Republicans
Speaker 1: for president in so that could change, but we all
Speaker 1: know we've lived in that timeline with Donald Trump, and
Speaker 1: so we know what to expect. There. A delusional old
Speaker 1: man who is angry at everybody and makes up stuff
Speaker 1: on the fly, has no real political solutions or anything
Speaker 1: that affects people who live real lives.
Speaker 3: And yet he has a lot that affects people that
Speaker 3: positive lives, positive just in a very very harmful way.
Speaker 1: And then there's this guy's in this kind of thin
Speaker 1: veneer of oh he got some people out of jail
Speaker 1: or you know whatever proformative stuff that he added. But
Speaker 1: those of us said, no, we know, all right, so
Speaker 1: we won't spend too much time talking about him. God knows,
Speaker 1: we've spent enough. Let's talk about this newcomer, all right.
Speaker 1: So this comes rather from Time magazine, not from Yahoo.
Speaker 1: All right. So a former UN ambassador under Trump, NICKI Haley,
Speaker 1: aged fifty one, got a warm welcome from the Seapac
Speaker 1: crowd and she began her remarks. She focused her speech
Speaker 1: mostly on criticizing President Joe Biden and socialist Democrats. She
Speaker 1: did indirectly jab the former president by pointing out that
Speaker 1: Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven of the
Speaker 1: last eight presidential elections, and by calling for a mental
Speaker 1: competency test for all politicians over seventy five years old,
Speaker 1: which would apply to Trump seventy six, as well as
Speaker 1: the threat posed by China and drew no direct contrasts
Speaker 1: with Trump. Okay, So I want to go back through that.
Speaker 1: So Nikki Hayley, this potential candidate for president, said that
Speaker 1: Republicans lost the popular vote in seven of the last
Speaker 1: eight presidential elections. So there's that. That is a prominent
Speaker 1: Republican figure acknowledging that Republicans have to play this game
Speaker 1: in order to hold power. They have to play this
Speaker 1: You know what is that thing called the electoral college game,
Speaker 1: which doesn't necessarily mean this is what the people want.
Speaker 1: It simply means this is how you can beat the system.
Speaker 1: This is how you can win the system, not the people.
Speaker 1: There's no way reflects what the majority of the folks want.
Speaker 3: Acknowledging that, and this is how you can beat that
Speaker 3: system every time, because it's not going to change, even
Speaker 3: with all all of its faults and all of its
Speaker 3: holes being clear to the eye of most discerning, responsible adults,
Speaker 3: it is still going to remain the same. That a
Speaker 3: place this small has the same voice as a place
Speaker 3: this big. That I got further away from the mic. Now,
Speaker 3: you guys can't see nobody I got you even in
Speaker 3: listening to me describe that. You should be able to
Speaker 3: paint a picture in your head because you know it
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense yet.
Speaker 1: And that's really important too, too to point out, because
Speaker 1: the fact is that acknowledgment says a mouthful. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: we happen to know that most of the people, and
Speaker 1: most of the people who are registered to vote are
Speaker 1: more liberal leaning voters. However, the people who vote most
Speaker 1: frequently and are way more involved politically tend to be
Speaker 1: more conservative. And this is how unfortunately, this is how
Speaker 1: the country rather is uh shaped is the right word shaped,
Speaker 1: you know, by conservatives and liberals, when the truth is
Speaker 1: we should be a much more liberal leaning country that
Speaker 1: they've taught us to fear the words that we should
Speaker 1: be we are. Yeah, in fact we are. Based on
Speaker 1: the human level, we are, but based on our policies
Speaker 1: and our laws, based on laws and all their numbers.
Speaker 3: We are based on how we participate in the political process.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a toss up, right, and it's not
Speaker 3: you guys's fault, right, people who identify in that group
Speaker 3: that is losing this fight.
Speaker 1: It's not you guys's fault. Right.
Speaker 3: The system does not provide you with choices, options, and
Speaker 3: or candidates that you can be excited about. Far too often, however,
Speaker 3: we also self cannibalize, judge and micro manage ourselves in
Speaker 3: a way that causes us to kind of scrutinize on
Speaker 3: a level that's too high when you know the other
Speaker 3: side isn't doing that, Like at some point you got
Speaker 3: to play this game by their rules or keep losing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she has to know that based on
Speaker 1: that she there's a very good chance that she might
Speaker 1: be elected to the highest office in Miland and not
Speaker 1: represent most of the people. And that's got to be
Speaker 1: a strange position to be. And now, if you're them
Speaker 1: and you're holding on the power, you know, you might
Speaker 1: be ready for that, you know. But I again, I
Speaker 1: think that that says an outfault. I want to move on,
Speaker 1: all right. She said she the popular vote, and she
Speaker 1: wants a mental competency test for politicians seventy five years old.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something there too. I like
Speaker 1: the idea of village elders, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wisdom in those years, but there's
Speaker 1: also a tendency to be a stick in the mud.
Speaker 1: There's also the very likelihood that you know, the decisions
Speaker 1: you make now, you're not going to have to deal
Speaker 1: with them. So if you choose to ignore your impact
Speaker 1: on the climate on the planet, you're not going to
Speaker 1: be around to see what that looks like, and us
Speaker 1: and our children will be And so there is something
Speaker 1: there about having people be examined to see how competent
Speaker 1: they are. And I feel like there's there's something to that. Now,
Speaker 1: whether or not that's discriminatory, who knows, but it would
Speaker 1: at least keep us a little bit more progressive in
Speaker 1: terms of our ideas. But I don't think I would
Speaker 1: just like get behind an idea like that and champion it.
Speaker 1: I just that's worth listening to, I suppose. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, like I said, some thinly veiled jabs at
Speaker 1: Trump and then talked about the threat of China. These
Speaker 1: are all things that are kind of beyond the scope
Speaker 1: of what it is we talk about here.
Speaker 3: But not to kind of breeze by, but shout at
Speaker 3: her for having the courage, even if they're thinly veiled
Speaker 3: shots at Trump, to take shots at Trump, right, She
Speaker 3: at least has enough courage to stand for some actual beliefs,
Speaker 3: even if I don't agree with those beliefs, to call
Speaker 3: this dude out as not that's it, That's what I
Speaker 3: was trying. That's brave, because alienating yourself and putting yourself
Speaker 3: as opposed to him has been political suicide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's get there for those in his party
Speaker 1: rather all right, so let's wrap this up. Haley the
Speaker 1: first major candidate to officially challenge Donald Trump for the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination was berated by Heckler's
Speaker 1: Friday as she exited the Conservative Political Action Conference outside
Speaker 1: of Washington. And I think they were shouting something like
Speaker 1: we won Trump or something like that as she was leaving,
Speaker 1: so very disrespectful. It was Trump's crowd. So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right now? The elephant in the room
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis. And this is where we need to really
Speaker 1: have a bit of a conversation. Now. You might know
Speaker 1: about Rond de Santis if you're listening to this show
Speaker 1: this far, and I have no doubt that you know
Speaker 1: who he is. He's another Republican favorite for everybody who's
Speaker 1: turned off by Donald Trump there turned on by this guy.
Speaker 1: He's not as old. I think he's like in his
Speaker 1: mid forties. He's extremely conservative and he's getting stuff done.
Speaker 3: Can we replace that word, because that's not what you
Speaker 3: actually mean. You said he's extremely conservative, which means he's
Speaker 3: extremely into the way that conservative GOP Republican candidates and
Speaker 3: political people think, speak and act. That word doesn't actually
Speaker 3: mean that though. Okay, the word conservative doesn't mean extreme
Speaker 3: racist bigot.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go fire me.
Speaker 3: I don't know a better word to you. Yes, I say,
Speaker 3: when you say he's extremely conservative, as you said it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, but that's not what he means.
Speaker 1: I don't know the better word to you. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: you can be I'll be. Remember kem Peel when they
Speaker 1: did the Obama anger translator, you can be that, all right?
Speaker 3: No, no, I didn't, But I didn't even mean as
Speaker 3: a translation, just as a you guys can't see us.
Speaker 3: I am. I listen to our show just like you,
Speaker 3: except I get to listen to it while we're making it.
Speaker 3: And I'm an audience for ram this when he speaks.
Speaker 3: So when he said he's extremely conservative, my mind made
Speaker 3: me change the way I was sitting, like, because I
Speaker 3: know what extremely conservative means, and I know that's not
Speaker 3: what Rams this means. He means he's extremely politically right,
Speaker 3: extremely GOP Trump era MAGA conservative republican far right political person,
Speaker 3: not the word conservative. My grandmother was extremely conservative, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The way she brought us up, the way we attended church,
Speaker 3: our actual core beliefs of our family, the way she
Speaker 3: spent money, the way she saved and invested in all
Speaker 3: those things. She was extremely conservative. Rams this means something
Speaker 3: completely I don't know. If different is the word, but
Speaker 3: not what the word conservative means and on its.
Speaker 1: Face, Okay, I appreciate pointing that out. So anyway, this guy,
Speaker 1: Rond de Santis, so far he's denounced a full on
Speaker 1: attack on woke ideology for some reason, whereas like socialism
Speaker 1: and being woke have been co opted and turned into
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I love socialist programs people, So does
Speaker 1: Ron de Santis, thank you.
Speaker 3: So do all of the hyper rich, hyper powerful people
Speaker 3: in this when it benefits them, because they use socialist
Speaker 3: principles to benefit each other all the time. What they
Speaker 3: mean is that we don't want we don't want to
Speaker 3: collectively help poor people. That's what they mean when they
Speaker 3: try to denounce socialism when it's rich people helping other
Speaker 3: rich and powerful people stay rich and powerful.
Speaker 1: So they social. But he also talks about like woke ideology,
Speaker 1: which is I'm man, I'm woke, af I'll stay that way.
Speaker 1: I guess this guy must be sleep Go ahead, Doug,
Speaker 1: but he's he's Uh. There's a video I saw he
Speaker 1: was telling a cheering crowd that in Florida, that Florida
Speaker 1: is where woke goes to die, right and woke? You
Speaker 1: know what woke is even progressive, trying to create and
Speaker 1: cultivate a better world for all of us where it's
Speaker 1: inclusive and everybody gets a seat at the table. And
Speaker 1: he's staunchly opposed to that. So, like I said, dude
Speaker 1: to Priba Sleep, I don't know. And then, of course
Speaker 1: on this show, when we brought his name up in
Speaker 1: the past, it was because of his attacks on teaching
Speaker 1: what he calls critical race theory, what is in fact
Speaker 1: and in practice accurate and full American history to kids,
Speaker 1: so that we understand who we are, why we ended
Speaker 1: up where we are, and what we can do about it.
Speaker 1: And he, according to that same poll that put trumpets
Speaker 1: sixty percent, had about twenty percent of the support at Seapack,
Speaker 1: and so that could change. These are the names to
Speaker 1: bear in mind, and of course we had to talk
Speaker 1: about it, So bear that in mind. All right, now
Speaker 1: it's time for the Way Black Historyffect. Today's Way Black
Speaker 1: History Fact is sponsored by the Black Information Network Daily podcast.
Speaker 1: You can find that out at iHeart dot com or
Speaker 1: binnews dot com. And I will be reading from the
Speaker 1: New York Times now Again this made its way to
Speaker 1: me recently. I had no idea and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: learn this together right. Thirty five years after Move bombing
Speaker 1: that killed eleven, Philadelphia apologizes all right. Police helicopter dropped
Speaker 1: an explosive charge onto the roof of a rowhouse during
Speaker 1: an arm standoff in nineteen eighty five. The resultant fire
Speaker 1: destroyed sixty one homes in a West Philadelphia neighborhood. The
Speaker 1: Philadelphia City Council this week formally apologized for the decision
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five to drop an improvised bomb on
Speaker 1: a row house occupied by the Move separatist group, a
Speaker 1: desperate action that resulted in a fire that killed eleven
Speaker 1: and destroyed sixty one homes. I remember five of them
Speaker 1: were children. I'm not mistaken. The resolution marked the first
Speaker 1: time that the city had formally apologized for the action. Measure,
Speaker 1: which also calls for an annual day of remembrance on
Speaker 1: May thirteenth, the anniversary of the bombing, was sponsored by
Speaker 1: Jamie Gautier, a city councilwoman who grew up near the
Speaker 1: West Philadelphia neighborhood where the bombing happened. Mss Gautier recalled
Speaker 1: watching the aftermath of the bombing on television as a
Speaker 1: child and said that the neighborhood was only now starting
Speaker 1: to fully recover from the devastation. Quote, there have been
Speaker 1: divisions in our city between police and community for decades,
Speaker 1: and I think if we had done the true work
Speaker 1: of acknowledging what happened with MOVE and other acts of
Speaker 1: police violence, and we had really worked on not only
Speaker 1: the acknowledgment, but the building better relationships and working toward reconciliation,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't find ourselves in the place we are now,
Speaker 1: she said. In an interview. She goes on to say
Speaker 1: it was always striking to me that we did this,
Speaker 1: that our city did this, and no one was ever
Speaker 1: held accountable. She added, I thought that was unconscionable. Mosgatier
Speaker 1: began circulating a draft resolution before the May thirteenth anniversary
Speaker 1: of the Move attack, but the efforts stalled and then
Speaker 1: was delayed because of coronavirus restrictions. The May twenty fifth
Speaker 1: killing of George Floyd gave renewed energy to the resolution,
Speaker 1: she said, and the need to recognize the effects of
Speaker 1: police killings of black people have had on the community
Speaker 1: grew even more with the October twenty sixth killing of
Speaker 1: Walter Wallace Junior, who was fatally shot by the police
Speaker 1: during the encounter in the same neighborhood where the move
Speaker 1: home once stood. In a statement, Mayor Jim Kinney of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia acknowledged the resolution's importance quote in an effort to
Speaker 1: learn from our past and do better by our residents
Speaker 1: in the future. This annual day of observation is a
Speaker 1: positive step in the healing process of our city. Our
Speaker 1: city desperately needs, he said. Goes on to say, this
Speaker 1: year we saw the pain and trauma caused by the
Speaker 1: move bombing is still alive in West Philadelphia, so I
Speaker 1: commend Counsel for taking the step toward healing. The mayor
Speaker 1: acknowledged missteps in the city's attempts to rebuild the neighborhood
Speaker 1: in the years immediately following the attack was set in
Speaker 1: a recent public private partnership which had succeeded in reconstructing
Speaker 1: homes in the affected area. All Right move, a group
Speaker 1: described by members as a quote back to nature movement
Speaker 1: unquote that would return the United States to Native Americans
Speaker 1: and do away with all government, was deemed an authoritarian,
Speaker 1: violence threatening cult by city officials, who said the group
Speaker 1: used threats, abuse, and intimidation to terrify their neighbors and
Speaker 1: to bring about confrontation. At the time of the attack,
Speaker 1: the police were acting to clear up the group out
Speaker 1: of a row house at sixty two to twenty one
Speaker 1: Osage Avenue in response to neighbors complaints of filthy conditions
Speaker 1: in the house and night long amplified lectures from move members.
Speaker 1: At six am on May thirteenth, eighteen sixty five, the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Police came under gunfire from police from sorry from
Speaker 1: people inside the home, which led to a day long standoff.
Speaker 1: Throughout the day, the Philadelphia Philadelphia Special Investigation Commission later
Speaker 1: found the police fired more than ten thousand rounds of
Speaker 1: ammunition in less than ninety minutes at the rowhouse.
Speaker 3: Just can you read that number?
Speaker 1: Okay, let me read that again. Sure? Throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's Special Investigation Commission later found police fired more than
Speaker 1: ten thousand rounds of ammunition in less than ninety minutes
Speaker 1: at the rowhouse, which was occupied by men, women, and children,
Speaker 1: calling the police officers' actions clearly excessive and unreasonable. The
Speaker 1: commission's report acknowledged that police were unable to fully suppress
Speaker 1: the gunfire coming from the home, and that efforts to
Speaker 1: negotiate with the people inside had been haphazard and fruitless.
Speaker 1: Police bomb squad members fashioned an improvised bomb out of
Speaker 1: plastic explosives, and an officer dropped the charge from a
Speaker 1: helicopter onto the roof of the Move rowhouse in an
Speaker 1: effort to destroy a fortified bunker the group had built there.
Speaker 1: At five twenty seven pm, the bomb detonated with which
Speaker 1: started a fire that police ordered firefighters to let burn.
Speaker 1: The blaze spread, ultimately destroying sixty other nearby homes. The
Speaker 1: plan to bomb of this quote, The plan to bomb
Speaker 1: the move houses was reckless, ill conceived, and hastily approved.
Speaker 1: The Commission's reports, set in nineteen eighty six. I wonder
Speaker 1: why that goes on quote. Dropping a bomb on an
Speaker 1: occupied rowhouse was unconscionable and should have been rejected out
Speaker 1: of hand. The hasty, reckless and irresponsible decision by the
Speaker 1: police Commissioner and the fire commissioner to use the fire
Speaker 1: as a tactical weapon was unconscionable. The report added. The
Speaker 1: deaths of eleven people, six adults and five children, and
Speaker 1: the police action were classified as unjustified homicides. Police Commissioner
Speaker 1: George J. Samber, who directed the aerial bombing, resigned in
Speaker 1: November nineteen eighty five. At grand jury in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight cleared Mayor W. Wilson Good and other top city
Speaker 1: officials of criminal liability for death and destruction resulting from
Speaker 1: the operation Shocking. In an op ed published by the
Speaker 1: Guardian on May tenth, mister Good, the former mayor, called
Speaker 1: the city too, called on the city to issue a
Speaker 1: formal apology for the attack. Quote, I apologize and encourage
Speaker 1: others to do the same, mister Good wrote, we will
Speaker 1: be a better city for it, all right. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that. I didn't color that in
Speaker 1: any way. That's New York Times. So if that was
Speaker 1: colored in a way to paint a picture about anyone,
Speaker 1: it's the time. So you know what they're on either way,
Speaker 1: for people that are speaking on loud speakers, and they're
Speaker 1: living as you would as one would live with nature
Speaker 1: in the city of Philadelphia, which other people may not
Speaker 1: think is up to their standards or you know whatever
Speaker 1: they said, filthy conditions, But to me that means that
Speaker 1: they probably were growing their own food in the yard
Speaker 1: or something I don't know. And then of course their
Speaker 1: amplifiers were too loud when they were giving their speeches.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean let's bomb them.
Speaker 3: I mean and you have to imagine the type of
Speaker 3: people that were okay with specifically ordering to allow these
Speaker 3: fires to burn with intent of murdering. People would consider
Speaker 3: anything filthy that doesn't look move or behave move, behave
Speaker 3: love or pray the way they do.
Speaker 1: So that Black Lives Matter statement was a long time coming,
Speaker 1: because that's hard to imagine the police blowing up a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids in the building that didn't look like that.
Speaker 3: That's why they're then getting getting away from Scott free. Well,
Speaker 3: that's why there's no such examples of it ever happening period.
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, But that's about it for us here
Speaker 3: on Civic Cipher. Another one for the books. Once again.
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