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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Reuter Zipso's polls, sixty one percent

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Speaker 1: respondents say they would describe Trump as having become a

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Speaker 1: erratic with age. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today in New York's Welsh District. Congressional candidate I'm

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Speaker 1: friend of the show. George Conway stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: about Trump's State of the Union address and yes, it

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Speaker 1: was long and crazy. Then we'll talk to ranking Member

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Speaker 1: on House Oversight, the one the Only, Robert Garcia, about

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Speaker 1: his next moves on getting justice for Epstein's victims. But

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Speaker 1: first the news, So, Molly.

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Speaker 2: Trump's doj is losing a lot of court fights on

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Speaker 2: DOGE because you'll be shocked that they weren't careful considering

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Speaker 2: the rule of law, really looking for waste and abuse. Instead,

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Speaker 2: we're recklessly following an agenda of one of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also want to talk about this story

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Speaker 1: because there are so many reasons why it's important. But

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Speaker 1: one of the most important reasons here is that US

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Speaker 1: courts are forcing the Trump administration to reveal information about

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Speaker 1: the Department of Government efficiency and Elon Musk's role in it.

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Speaker 1: So Elon Musk is the richest man in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: He has more money than many countries, and he is

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Speaker 1: the biggest Republican donor in basically all election cycles from

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Speaker 1: now until the end of time. And he has been

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Speaker 1: in our federal government for three months slashing and burning

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Speaker 1: things like USA, like PEP far, like all of these

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Speaker 1: important government programs that have provided life saving aid to

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Speaker 1: we don't really have great view into what Elon has done.

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Speaker 1: We know that he compromised different federal agencies. He was

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Speaker 1: in everything from Social Security to State Department. And the

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Speaker 1: question is what did he do? What were what was

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Speaker 1: big Balls? You'll remember Big Balls. He was the reason

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Speaker 1: that Ice went into d C. What was big Balls

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Speaker 1: doing in our federal government? What was the richest man

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Speaker 1: in the world doing in our federal government? The Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: just like with the Epstein files, they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. And here's what's happening. The courts are like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to do that. So US courts are

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Speaker 1: foiling efforts by the Trump administration to keep under wraps

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Speaker 1: information about the Department of Government efficiency and the role

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Speaker 1: that the world's richest person, Elon Musk, played in it.

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Speaker 1: Federal judges in New York have forced the government to

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Speaker 1: reveal the names of DOGE employees and contractors. This is

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Speaker 1: something we've seen with this Trump administration, with ice right,

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Speaker 1: they don't want any transparency. They want them to wear masks.

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Speaker 1: want want. Earlier this month, the Maryland judge world that

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Speaker 1: Musk can't be shielded from questions about the dilution of

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Speaker 1: USA for international development. That is probably one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest things that Elon Musk did was he basically disassembled

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Speaker 1: that we in America give out. And he did it

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Speaker 1: because he felt that it was not cost effective. I

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Speaker 1: believe truly that we will for years and years in

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Speaker 1: and orchestrated in sweeping US cuts and thousands of government layoffs.

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Speaker 1: So we will see more from this because judges are

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Speaker 1: saying that none of this is legal, and I think

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Speaker 1: that we have a really important legal defender's fund is

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Speaker 1: quote here. You really are seeing an unwillingness from the

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Speaker 1: It's an administration that is covering up every which way

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Speaker 1: a roll come to Jesus moment. By the way, they

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Speaker 1: a bigger story that I think we're going to see

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Speaker 2: Agreed. All Right, Mike, you gotta bear with me for

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Speaker 1: Can you explain AI to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a recent history lesson. All right,

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Speaker 2: So we're going to go back to February twelfth, just

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Speaker 2: twelve days ago anthropics AI Safety Research quit his job,

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Speaker 3: It predicted the future here yes.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we didn't talk about this. We we're

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Speaker 2: doing the same thing. So the point being, let me

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Speaker 2: read from Anthropics message this week, and that literally made

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Speaker 2: attacks on our models by deep Seek, moonshot Ai, and Minimax.

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Speaker 2: Now let me translate, that's their competitors. These labs created

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Speaker 2: we now get to the culmination of why this matters

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Speaker 2: to Fast Politics listeners. Yes, why it's basically what we're

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Speaker 2: seeing is this tool is out of fucking control. It

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Speaker 2: and we now have one Pete Haig Sith saying Anthropic

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Speaker 2: the fuck could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the good news is that Pete Haggseth

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Speaker 1: not very drunk. So let's give these guys the nukes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why not? It seems like a very good choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the real horrifying thing here is, if you

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Speaker 2: Haig Sith is just in a pissing contest with them.

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Speaker 2: like yo, Chief, you know, we might want to take

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you my favorite thing, my favorite story is

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Speaker 1: I have misspelled things so much that I both like

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Speaker 1: No, thank you. So this is a great story, though

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Speaker 1: DJ Sue's dem governor and misspells her name over and

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Speaker 1: The part of this Mikey Cheryl thing is like she

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Speaker 2: Well from in the same spot as you. So let's

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Speaker 1: But if I were Mike Johnson pretending to be a

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Speaker 2: Good for her, and Corey Mills just looks on laughing.

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Speaker 4: It's I only watched this speech because of you. You

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Speaker 1: So what I you know, I watched the twenty seventeen speech,

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Speaker 4: I don't remember what he did, but it actually had

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Speaker 4: None of it stops him. It doesn't matter. He will

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Speaker 4: how could it be a clear deal? I don't know this.

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Speaker 1: Another point, important point is today was a really bad

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Speaker 1: day for UH people in the Epstein file yet again.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, yes.

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Speaker 1: Second bread second brit arrest called for questioning. The heat

438
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Speaker 1: is on Howard Lutnik sitting up in the front in

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Speaker 1: an adorable little suit, just delighted. Seems like he is

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Speaker 1: not resigning from the cabinet.

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Speaker 4: Discuss well, discuss I mean, I mean, the biggest news

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Speaker 4: of the day was the NPR story about how if

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Speaker 4: you look at the we call them baits numbers, they

444
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Speaker 4: call them, the reporters call them serial numbers. But when

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Speaker 4: you produce documents, you number of the documents, and they

446
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Speaker 4: figured out by looking at all of the documents that

447
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Speaker 4: there's a range of numbers that are missing that contain

448
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Speaker 4: documents from the FBI's investigations about allegations Trump had raped

449
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Speaker 4: a young girl at age three was thirteen years old. Yeah,

450
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Speaker 4: and kind of bad.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me that that is not exonerated.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not exonerated, and it's also a cover up.

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Speaker 4: It's also a violation of the statute that he signed

454
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Speaker 4: requiring the production of these materials to the public and

455
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Speaker 4: somebody actually is intentionally withholding them.

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Speaker 1: Is he breaking the law here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's breaking the law that he signed. They're all

458
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Speaker 4: breaking the law. I mean, it's it's it's crazy stuff.

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Speaker 5: And I I just don't think I think that that

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Speaker 5: story is going to keep getting worse for him.

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Speaker 1: Just in an alternative world for a second, but a.

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Speaker 4: World or a worse world. I don't think there is

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Speaker 4: a worse one.

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Speaker 1: But if there were an alternative world where things made

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Speaker 1: any sense when you just ask Lutnik to resign, so

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Speaker 1: you didn't seem uh, you didn't seem just so craven

467
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Speaker 1: and guilty or now.

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Speaker 4: Well, the problem is, who is he to ask anybody

469
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Speaker 4: to resign? Right? Is Lutnik has done that that Trump

470
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Speaker 4: hasn't done it? Why why why should there be any

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Speaker 4: standards or anybody if there's no standards for the President

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Speaker 4: of the United States when it comes to being Epstein's

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Speaker 4: friend or just lying his ass off or having connections

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Speaker 4: to sleezy uh sleezy things.

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Speaker 1: And that's the question with the Republican Republican congress person

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Speaker 1: from Texas, uh Donzalas, Who's who's aid or not aid

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Speaker 1: who a woman from his dessert office and he was

478
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Speaker 1: having an affair with set herself on fire. Now he's

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Speaker 1: in a primary standing next to My favorite was having

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott standing next to some Troy Hills and Troy's

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Speaker 1: trying to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even have people like Lauren Bobert saying that guy

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Speaker 4: should resign.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like Beaubert, Mace and Luna are the

485
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Speaker 1: conscience of the Republican Party is like.

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Speaker 4: The degree of moral degradation of the presidency and pretty

487
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Speaker 4: dark party is just astounding. I mean the lies, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't even know how to count all

489
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Speaker 4: the lies because there are phrases then sub phrases in

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Speaker 4: these sentences that are just lies. And it just it's

491
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Speaker 4: just relentless. It's a relentless torrent. Now at an hour

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Speaker 4: and fifty nine minutes.

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Speaker 1: So your friend and mine, Jesse Cannon, sent me a

494
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Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of a tweet from Navigator Research.

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Speaker 1: Our dials are clear. Americans don't want Trump fork it

496
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Speaker 1: focused on foreign wars. They just want lower costs at home.

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Speaker 1: How will the Iran bombing Iran help that?

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Speaker 4: I don't see how it'll help that, And it's a question.

499
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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's asking the same question online. I cape,

500
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Speaker 4: we obliterated and RAN's nuclear rebens, Why are we saying

501
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Speaker 4: that we need to obliterate them again. None of this

502
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Speaker 4: makes sense, And you know, all of it is very expensive,

503
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Speaker 4: all of it is a distraction. All of it's just

504
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Speaker 4: it's just a circus. And it's just everything is meant

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Speaker 4: to distract from everything else. He just finished up. He

506
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Speaker 4: just finished up.

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Speaker 1: So it was two hours, two hours, and did you

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Speaker 1: learn anything?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, there's no thread to it. There's no coherent

510
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Speaker 4: thread to it. There's no accurate information. Once you listen

511
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Speaker 4: to one lie, you can't listen to the rest because

512
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: you're thinking about how could he just brazenly tell that

513
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: last lie? And then you listen to tune in again

514
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Speaker 4: and it's like there's another one, and I you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, people can't be that stupid. I think some

516
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Speaker 4: people are, but I think enough people are gonna be

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Speaker 4: able to pick out and enough lies here that it's

518
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Speaker 4: it's just I don't see how this doesn't it does

519
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Speaker 4: him any good. And it was boring, just boring unless

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Speaker 4: you are, it's yourself, a member of the cult. It

521
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Speaker 4: was just unbearable to watch. It's boring. He's just this

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Speaker 4: this weird, this weird, you know, kind of monotone and

523
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Speaker 4: rambling and slurring. It's just really unbearable to watch. There's

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Speaker 4: no and it's not leading in any direction. It's not

525
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Speaker 4: interesting at all. So I don't understand why they think

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Speaker 4: letting him go on for two hours helps him. I

527
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: think it's really that he likes going on for two hours.

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Speaker 4: It's a La Fidel castro. Uh, you know, it's it's

529
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Speaker 4: the the egotistical maniac just wants to keep talking because

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Speaker 4: he's got a captive audience. But it doesn't persuade anybody

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Speaker 4: because he's incapable of persuasion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Just it's just it's unbearable.

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Speaker 2: I you know, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine people watch this all the way through.

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Speaker 1: Well we watched it all the way through, and nay.

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Speaker 4: They don't looking at it. Honey.

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Speaker 1: People who listen to this podcast tomorrow morning or tonight

539
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Speaker 1: when Jesse puts it out, will not have to watch it.

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Speaker 4: So hey goodness.

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Speaker 1: The top line is Donald Trump still a liar?

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Speaker 4: Can you're a liar than ever? I think I think

543
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: we can say that we have he is really out

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: doing himself with lies.

545
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Speaker 2: So you know.

546
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Speaker 4: America he's back lining, is.

547
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Speaker 1: Back George Conway, why do you hate America?

548
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 4: I don't hate America. I just hate lies. ELI cannot

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Speaker 4: stand lies.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 4: I will, but I'm never watching another one of these speakers.

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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: I can't. Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second congressional

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Speaker 1: district and is the ranking member on Oversight. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Garcia.

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Speaker 3: Hey may good to hear here.

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Speaker 1: So we're deep in this Ebstein file stuff. What do

557
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Speaker 1: we have so far and what are we waiting for?

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Speaker 1: Like news channel for the UK channel said that there's

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Speaker 1: only four percent of the files that have been released,

560
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that's right. Tell us what you

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Speaker 1: think from what you've read and what you've seen that's

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, it's hard to know an exact number,

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Speaker 6: but we are oversight team. Our best estimate right now

565
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Speaker 6: is that over half of the files a number files

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Speaker 6: are also artifacts, photos, videos, it's data, right, But we

567
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Speaker 6: think that a little over half of all of the

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Speaker 6: Epstein files are still in the possession of the DJ

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Speaker 6: and have not been released in the Congress with the public.

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Speaker 6: So you're talking the majority of what is in the

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Speaker 6: hands of the DJ is not public. And when you

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Speaker 6: think about just the magnitude of that, it just goes

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Speaker 6: to show you that this is really a cover up.

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Speaker 6: This is a Trump Pambondi directed cover up. They don't

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Speaker 6: want the truth out. They're protecting obviously powerful men who

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Speaker 6: and they're protecting pedophiles or protecting criminals. And we're not

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Speaker 6: going to stop till we get the truth.

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Speaker 1: So Marjorie Tayler Green, who was in the House until

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Speaker 1: a few months ago, not even months weeks, was told

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Speaker 1: by Trump the reason he didn't want to release the

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Speaker 1: files was because it could hurt some of his friends.

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Speaker 1: You think that's accurate.

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Speaker 6: I think it's very accurate. I mean, if you think

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Speaker 6: just about some of the consequences of the last few weeks,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're you're starting to see some accountability happeness

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Speaker 6: certainly around the world, right, I mean, look what's happening

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Speaker 6: now with Mendelssohn and the former prince and here in

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Speaker 6: the US, who begin to some folks step down from

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Speaker 6: the positions and be removed from their boards and and

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Speaker 6: that's appropriate and that I'm glad that is beginning to happen.

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Speaker 6: But we know that those that were deeply connected with

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Speaker 6: Epstein and those that actually did the abuse themselves, those

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Speaker 6: men continue to be protected. Those we know to be

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Speaker 6: some of the most powerful individuals, wealthy ind juels, and

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Speaker 6: those people. There have to be justice for the survivors. Now, look,

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Speaker 6: we've we've begun to unravel some of that. We have

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Speaker 6: some really strong leads and the investigation, but the truth

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Speaker 6: is that we're not going to be able to get

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Speaker 6: any sort of closure until we get the rest of

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Speaker 6: the files. And the dj is required to give those files.

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Speaker 6: And if they may want to use the Epstein Transparency

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Speaker 6: Act as an excuse for not releasing them, they can't

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Speaker 6: do the same for the subpoena, which is why we

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Speaker 6: did both. The subpoena doesn't include the interagency communication exemptions,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't include the ongoing investigation exemptions. You have to

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Speaker 6: continue to defy both the subpoena and the Transparency Act.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the redactions. Explain to me, because

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Speaker 1: I know there was writing in the files about redactions,

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Speaker 1: and weren't they supposed to talk you through the redactions

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Speaker 1: And hasn't that not really happened because there were two

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Speaker 1: sets of redactions.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Look, this is essentially what we have now.

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Speaker 6: The DJ has not confirmed this to us, but we

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Speaker 6: pretty much pieced together what really happened. If we remember,

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Speaker 6: months ago, there was reports that the FBI and they

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Speaker 6: were doing all sorts of redactions, millions of pages of

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Speaker 6: redactions to the files, and it was kind of came

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Speaker 6: out of nowhere that reporting. Well, what happens is in

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Speaker 6: looks looks like now is the DJ basically what they

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Speaker 6: are showing to Congress. Their response to the law has

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Speaker 6: been to essentially give us redacted pages. Then they've gone

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Speaker 6: through a second set of redactions, redacted more. And so

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Speaker 6: what we're getting Congress, which is different than the public,

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Speaker 6: is that second set of redactions at the FBI made

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Speaker 6: to give to us. But what they received with the

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Speaker 6: DJ actually received were already redacted files by a different

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Speaker 6: set of FBI agents. That happened months ago. So if

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Speaker 6: you could imagine months ago, he had the full files,

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Speaker 6: some group of team at the FBI redacts those files.

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Speaker 6: Then the law passes, then those redacted files get sent

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Speaker 6: to the DOJ, to another Department, and then they get

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Speaker 6: redacted even more. And so when we ask the DJ, well,

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Speaker 6: why is this reaction still in place after viewing the

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Speaker 6: quote unquote unredacted files, that's because that's the way they

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Speaker 6: received them from the initial team. And so it's basically

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Speaker 6: a layered approach the DJ is taken. And that's I

637
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 6: think part of part of the huge problem is we

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Speaker 6: don't and even the DJ contacts that are working with Congress,

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Speaker 6: they are unable to explain why what they received prior

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Speaker 6: to giving us files were already pre redacted.

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Speaker 1: So you won't be able to figure out what the

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Speaker 1: names those names. So for example, like there's these an

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Speaker 1: indicted co conspirators list that was redacted and then there's

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Speaker 1: summer still redactions in it. You don't get to see

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Speaker 1: the unredacted of that list.

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Speaker 6: We do because it came to the DJ already redacted

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Speaker 6: by some other team, and so they can't explain why

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Speaker 6: they're redacted either. And so no, I mean, they're not

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Speaker 6: following the law. And I think what you know, what

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Speaker 6: Pam Bondi will say is that, well, those are they're

651
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Speaker 6: protecting victims and survivors. Well, we know that's total bs

652
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 6: because they have literally posted the names of survivors and

653
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 6: victims all all throughout the police.

654
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: For addresses and addresses. Yeah.

655
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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I've told people this, this is the

656
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 6: single largest cover up in American history. I call another one.

657
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 6: This is I mean, Watergate is just is nothing compared

658
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 6: to this. I mean the end the amount of harm

659
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 6: and terror that this has caused so many women and girls,

660
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 6: I think is so it's awful, it's sad, it's infuriating,

661
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 6: It's all those things.

662
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: So let's talk about. One of the things you guys

663
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: have done is even though you're non majority, you've been

664
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: able to have interviews. I think it's been really great.

665
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other word for it. So we

666
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: had Pam BONDI she was mad about the daw refused

667
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: to answer any questions. Was that how you thought it

668
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: would go? Were you disappointed? Is there anywhere else you

669
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: can go with that?

670
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 6: Look, I mean, first of all, I think, like all

671
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 6: of us, are pretty just upset at and just furious

672
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 6: at the way she responded to members of Congress asking

673
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 6: real questions. I mean she couldn't even turn and look

674
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 6: at the survivors who were there in the room. I

675
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 6: was pretty sick, you know, And I think that the

676
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 6: level of disrespect was clear on display. But look, she's

677
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 6: the key figure that has been delaying, trying to deflect attention,

678
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 6: certainly leading this cover up for the president, and so

679
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 6: it shouldn't come with no surprise that she's not gonna

680
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 6: give us any answer. I mean, this is the same

681
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 6: Attorney General that early on tried to say that, oh,

682
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 6: the files were released, and then she puts them out

683
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 6: to a bunch of right wing influencers, and then they

684
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 6: were on her desk, and then they weren't, and then

685
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 6: the investigation was over. And now look, the investigations just

686
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 6: started and we're just collecting all the critical information that

687
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 6: we need now. And so pim Bondi should be held

688
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 6: in contempt. She should resign, she should be fired. She's

689
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 6: been a horrible ag and she's done nothing. But I

690
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 6: try to deflect us away from the White House when

691
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 6: all signs and arrows point.

692
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: Directly back to the Trump White House.

693
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Les Wexner he did a deposition there. He just talk

694
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: us through what happened there.

695
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 6: It was really enlightening, I think, to see just the

696
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 6: level of deception that was happening. I mean, First, this

697
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 6: is a man, to be clear, that provided more wealth

698
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 6: and financial support to Jeffrey Epsten than any single other person.

699
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: So the reason why there is the Epstein home in

700
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 6: New York and the island and the plane is because

701
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 6: of Wexner. He gave him hundreds of millions of dollars.

702
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 6: He controlled even more in assets and stocks for Wester.

703
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 6: He gave he had the power of attorney over Wester's estate.

704
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 6: He's someone that was the co president with Wexner a

705
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 6: development community built out in Ohio. He was intimately involved

706
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 6: and spent considerable time with Epstein. And yet Wester wouldn't

707
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 6: even admit that Epstein was even a friend of his.

708
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 6: And so we won't even admit a friendship. When you're

709
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 6: signing birthday books signed your friend Leslie, and you're sending

710
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 6: tons of emails and communicating constantly and going to the island,

711
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 6: then you're just not going to be an honest witness

712
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 6: at that point, right, You're just not going to be truthful,

713
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 6: And so it's hard to take anything he says seriously.

714
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 6: He basically claimed that he was duped and Epstein was

715
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 6: a con man. He never saw abuse, He doesn't know anything,

716
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 6: not credible and not believable. What was though, really interesting

717
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 6: one is he said everything under oath, and so we

718
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 6: have now entire testimony, and we have a lot of

719
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: information that's coming in and financial information and other information

720
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 6: that allows us to put together a case and especially

721
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 6: bill evidence as our investigation moves forward.

722
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: And the second thing that was important.

723
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Speaker 6: Is he also made it clear that even though he

724
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 6: was the key central wealth manager supporter of Epstein's he

725
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: provided this funding, that the FBI and DJ never even

726
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 6: contacted him. Yeah, you interviewed him. So if they're not

727
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 6: going to interview less Wexner, then essentially they made the

728
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 6: choice to absolve everyone and turn their backs on the investigation.

729
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: So now, nothing to me was more revealing from that

730
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: interview than the clear understanding that our government chose to

731
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 6: not investigate Epstein's crimes and turn their back and so

732
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 6: that to me was a critical moment. I asked Wexner

733
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 6: that direct question about the FBI and the DJ, and

734
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 6: it was pretty hard to hear his response.

735
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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you about that because I

736
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: thought that was sort of shocking. Doesn't it seem like

737
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: there's some criminal culpability here for the FBI?

738
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 6: Yes, and in fact, that's one of the things that

739
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 6: we're investigating. We don't understand why. You know, there's so

740
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 6: look if you look back, take for example, Annie Maria

741
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 6: Farmer and the case with the sisters. You look at

742
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 6: the initial report that.

743
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Was made in the nineties, in the nineties.

744
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 6: And what happens there The FBI and DJ turned their

745
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 6: back and choose not to investigate. If you look at

746
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 6: what happened with Acosta and happen in Florida, what happens there,

747
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 6: a case is put forward by the line prosecutor, yet

748
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 6: the US attorney chooses to turn their back and not

749
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 6: move forward with real charges against against Epstein and Maxwell.

750
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 6: If you look at now these other complaints that are happening,

751
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: there are complaints about Donald Trump.

752
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: We know in the Epstein files.

753
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 6: What are we beginning to see that there's very little

754
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 6: investigation in action. Les Wexner, he comes in and as

755
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 6: financing the essentially the crimes and the trafficking ring that

756
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 6: Epstein glame Max together. What happens He's not even interviewed

757
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 6: by the DOJ and the FBI. So you know, there's

758
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 6: a pattern here, and I think it's important for us

759
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 6: to note this pattern has existed not just under the

760
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 6: Trump administration, but.

761
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: This pattern that has existed through.

762
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 6: Multiple presidents, both Republican and Democrat.

763
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this is.

764
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 6: A complete failure of our government at the highest level,

765
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 6: by all presidents and all dojs. And so I think

766
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 6: it's fair to ask the question, why was the FBI

767
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 6: protecting people? Were they being told not to investigate? Are

768
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 6: these people so powerful that we're just looking the other way?

769
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 6: I think that's what's really sad to me, and yet

770
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: really opens up so many more questions, which is why

771
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: I think why I think the government at the highest

772
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 6: level is trying to deflect and stop this investigation.

773
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know, if there is accountability for the FBI

774
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: who covered this up, for whoever it was, and the

775
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: government who did that, then you will have more prosecution

776
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and sex trafficking and all of that

777
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: stuff going forward, because agents and you know, prosecutors and

778
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: judges and whoever else is involved in this will be

779
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: afraid of being held responsible like it can be the

780
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of meaningful prosecution that can create a sea change.

781
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 6: I think two things have really crystallized for me in

782
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 6: the last few weeks. One is that this investigation is

783
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 6: so large in scope. This is this is something that

784
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 6: impacts the way this country views sexual abuse, and this

785
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: country views and is able to uplift the stories and

786
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 6: the horrors that women and children that when they experience

787
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 6: sexual abuse and rape and trafficking. What is our response

788
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 6: as a nation going to look like and how do

789
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 6: we actually support those survivors? And so it's this is

790
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: not just about as this is about our entire system

791
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 6: of mind and how we respond. The second thing that

792
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 6: has been really clear to me is that people early on,

793
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 6: we would get you and I have talked about this,

794
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 6: We would get this response, well, this isn't about our

795
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 6: affordability crisis. You should move on to something else like

796
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 6: this is you know, get on message, and I would

797
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 6: be told this by another other other folks. You know,

798
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 6: we were stuck on it because it's important. But at

799
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 6: the same time, I've realized now that there is a link,

800
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 6: right the the real link is that there is there

801
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 6: is this class of people that are very wealthy. The

802
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 6: same people with the power to transfer wealth from working

803
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 6: class people to their own companies are the same people

804
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 6: that are covering up for themselves because they're so powerful

805
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 6: and they're abusing and women and children. And it's this

806
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 6: class of people, this Epstein class that people have been

807
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: talking about that is We've got to bring these people down.

808
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 6: They feel invincible, they feel that they will continue to

809
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 6: take from the government.

810
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: They're going to take from working people.

811
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 6: They're going to traffic women and girls because they have

812
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 6: the power to do so.

813
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: And it's all connected.

814
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 6: And so I think it's our job at this moment

815
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 6: to be very clear about that and to stop the

816
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 6: manipulation of our government and our institutions by the wealthiest

817
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 6: and most powerful people in this country.

818
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I also think Waxner is a major GOP donor in Ohio.

819
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: And when I interviewed Maria Farmer, she talked about how

820
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: the reason that when she wanted to report some of this,

821
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: they said, no, the sheriff is involved, the lower law

822
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: enforcement people are involved. You can't you know, it will

823
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: get aware. And she describes calling nine one one and

824
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: nine to one one being like, we don't go to

825
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: that house. I mean that is certainly possible, right in

826
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: this scenario.

827
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Speaker 6: Not only is it possible, Yeah, Wexner created that community.

828
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 6: He basically founded this New Albany community. It was farmland

829
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 6: who was the co president on the deed of the

830
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: creation of New Albany and the association that created that

831
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 6: community with Wexer Jeffrey Epstein.

832
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: Wesner made Epstein.

833
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 6: The co president of the creation of this whole community.

834
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 6: Yet they weren't even friends, Molly, according to Wexner. They

835
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 6: had no real relationship, according to Wexter, and so he

836
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 6: creates this community for the ultra wealthy in part to

837
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 6: so he's able to commit continue his crimes. And it

838
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: was everything from whether it was law enforcement through the

839
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 6: high levels of government.

840
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: Wexer is the richest man in Ohio.

841
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 6: He's one of the single largest donors to Republicans in

842
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 6: Ohio and across the country. And so look, we have

843
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 6: to be we have to be clear and honest about

844
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 6: what's happening and be committed to staying on this investigation

845
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: until there's justice.

846
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, I mean, I'm not surprised if it's unbelievable. Talk

847
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: to me about the New Mexico ranch because from what

848
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: I understand, we interviewed Raoul Torres and he said, yes,

849
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: that there had not been a search of that property

850
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: and that he wasn't there at the time. But that

851
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: they we were told that, they were told that the

852
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: FBI came to local and said we're handling it and

853
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: don't get involved, and then no one ever handled it.

854
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: So can you talk about that?

855
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: It's outrageous.

856
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the more that we're learning about

857
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 6: the New Mexico property, the more questions we have, and

858
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 6: we're starting to actually hear from survivors that were at

859
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 6: the Mexico property, and so that has been giving, that's

860
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 6: been producing a lot of information. I'm really proud of

861
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 6: the New Mexico legislature for moving forward and this is

862
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 6: going to be I think very interesting to see what happens,

863
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 6: and quite frankly, I would welcome I think we're gona

864
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 6: be getting some conversations with the Coping Governor's office in

865
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 6: New York and certainly even in the mayor and I think,

866
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 6: you know, Mayor Mom, Dammie and others like I would

867
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Speaker 6: love to see a similar effort in New York because

868
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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, New York, New Mexico, Flora,

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Speaker 6: these are the key locations where this all happened, and

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Speaker 6: the government, the federal government is only going to get

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Speaker 6: us so far. But with folks in New York that

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Speaker 6: I know are as interested as we are in getting

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Speaker 6: the truth. I think there could be a lot of

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Speaker 6: a lot of support there at the state level.

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Speaker 1: One last question, Howard Lutnik, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, unbelievable. The man.

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Speaker 6: The man should resign right now. I mean we just

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Speaker 6: also there's reports now that this business venture that Lutnik

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Speaker 6: of course denied, actually went on for years. Yeah, and Molly, why,

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Speaker 6: I want to make sure you know, folks listening understand this,

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Speaker 6: because I think people are not getting this clearly. Lutnick

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Speaker 6: says multiple times in interviews that he stopped talking to

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein after two thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: That was just a flat out lie.

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Speaker 6: Not only did he continue talking to him, but he

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Speaker 6: goes and visits the island, asks his wife, communicates with them,

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Speaker 6: he goes to business with them, He communicates with him

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Speaker 6: multiple times. So this is an ongoing relationship that Lutnik,

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Speaker 6: for whatever reason, thought we wouldn't find out about. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and this man's our commerce secretary. Step down immediately.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Garcia, thank you, thank you, thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, no moment. Jesse Cannon, my jog past.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that is most heartening is

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Speaker 2: seeing how much trouble the Trump administration is getting in

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Speaker 2: these you know guags they're trying to buy forr Ice,

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Speaker 2: And we saw Kelly Io, new Hampshire governor, was pretty

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Speaker 2: friendly about it at first, got a lot of backlash

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Speaker 2: and guess what she's backtracking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I want to talk about this because

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Speaker 1: this is true with Trump. This is true with basically

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Speaker 1: every politician you see, is that if you guys push back,

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Speaker 1: they stop. It is just wild. I mean it just

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Speaker 1: every time. I mean remember Trump was going to invade Greenland.

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Speaker 1: Remember that that was from season one of This Fiasco.

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Speaker 1: Actually it was like from season three of This Fiasco.

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Speaker 4: So like, if you push.

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Speaker 1: Back, if you, as the American people, call their offices

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Speaker 1: like you have power, you think you don't, but you

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Speaker 1: actually do, and push back, tell them you don't want

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Speaker 1: a people warehouse in your neighborhood. Like, just say no

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Speaker 1: to death camps, Team Molly Chugvass. Just camp that's lucky, man.

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Speaker 1: It might be a slightly stray.

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Speaker 2: And put it on a retted White hatch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just say no to death camps. That's it for

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