1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 1: Did an election that was supposed to revolve around women's 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: issues actually come down to the plight of men young men. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: In the final months of the election, Donald Trump reached 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: out to young male voters on popular platforms that they 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: subscribed to. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: I want to thank some people real quick. 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: I want to think the no boys aiden Ross theil Vaughan. 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 3: Also, what the boys are gonna last, but not least 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 3: the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. For generations, the U 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: vote has been one that has largely favored Democrats, but 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: in recent polling, we're seeing that advantage is starting to slip, 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: especially among young men. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: You've heard it from cable news, pundits, Republican and Democratic strategists, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: and your favorite YouTuber. Young men swung the twenty twenty 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: four US presidential election for Trump in a big way. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Understanding what's driving the success of so called broadcasters and 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: how to reach the young men in their grips on 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: everyone's mind right now. But we're zooming in on a 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: different corner of the manosphere, the intersection between male grievance 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: culture and climate denial. 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: When you pop in your earbuds and enter the virtual 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: man cave, you might not be paying attention to mentions 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: of global warming, but it actually comes up a lot. 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Some of these guys are explicitly right wing warriors, like 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and Jordan Peterson, but many are just macho 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: entertainers who like to talk about typical men's hobbies sports, cars, sex, 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: and dating, but with a little bit of climate denial 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: mixed in well spice. See, here's the thing, this climate 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: change narrative, this is a really goofy thing that people 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: on the left are talk about. This is because of 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: climate change. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: This is climate change causes fire. 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: It's an intrinsic part of life to feel guilty in 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: relationship to nature. No, it's difficult for us to live 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: in harmony with the natural world had for the natural 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: world to live in harmony with us. I'm being one 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: hundred percent serious. 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: I cannot think of a single one reason. 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: I cannot think of one single reason why global warming 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: is bad. 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: In case you didn't recognize those voices, and you're lucky 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: if you don't. That was Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: Andrew Schultz, whose combined online following is more than every 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: major cable news network together. And who am I? I'm 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: Daniel Penny. I'm a journalist who's been tracking the rise 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: of climate denial among men on my show Non Toxic. 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: I've also written about this kind of stuff for The 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: New Yorker, The New York Times, in GQ. 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: And I'm Amy Westervelt, climate reporter and host of Drilled. 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: In this mini series, we'll be asking what's wrong with men, 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Why are they less likely than women to believe in 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: climate change or take personal or political action against it, 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: and what does their reluctance to deal with the climate 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: crisis have to do with their shift towards the right 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: in general. We're calling it carbon Bros. 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: We're going to show how the manisphere started shilling for 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: fossil fuels and why the climate crisis became tied up 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: with the culture war against feminism and so called gender ideology. 59 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: We'll trace how gas guzzlers became symbols of throbbing American manhood, 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: and we'll break down the boy math solutions offered by 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: doomers into abundance Bros. Along the way, you'll hear from researchers, historians, scientists, activists, 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: and regular guys who are trying to navigate the climate 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: crisis and the crisis of masculinity. 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: And we'll try to figure out what can be done 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: to bring men back into the climate movement. You take 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the Red, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you 67 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: how deep the rabbit hole it goes. 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: If you want to find out how deep the rabbit 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: hole goes, tune into carbon Bros. 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: That rhymes sign carbon Bros wherever you get your podcasts.