WEBVTT - Kevin Gill/AEW Preview/NXT Recap 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:09.959 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:20.480 let's get it all. What up though? Hello everyone, and 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.680 welcome to a very special edition of Wrestling Observer Live. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.400 Brian's on a boat. Mike semper vv is temporarily am 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.360 I A. But this is your boy KG Kevin Gill, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.839 the man Ron Functions calls the voice of independent wrestling. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.280 You might know me a little bit better from Game Change. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.280 You're wrestling, and we're here today to talk about everything 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:46.400 that's going on in the world of professional wrestling. I 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.200 thought I heard Mike semper vv creeping in, but while 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.919 we wait, there's so much happening in the world right now. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.160 It's the holiday season. N x T was last night 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.880 a e W dark. Let's light it up in those 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.440 comments on twitch Right off the bat, I want to 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.520 send a shout out to everyone that just supports and 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.720 believes in professional wrestling. For me, this platform, this show, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.160 The Wrestling Observer Alive is something that I've I've been 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.520 listening to for for many many years. I'm a subscriber 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.720 to the print version, and what a time it is 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.800 to be Alive, coming to you live from San Francisco, California, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.400 and I didn't really have an agenda today, so maybe 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.120 I would use this time to address certain inflammatory comments 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:32.520 made about me last night by one Matthew Cardona. You 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.200 may know him as Zach Ryder, would probably be the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.399 only way you know him. His desperate attempts to remain 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.120 relevant are very interesting, some would say successful. He has 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.360 trended number one on Twitter. But as an individual, as 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.600 a human being, I find him to be as phony 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.320 as the orange tanner he uh surrounds himself in. He's 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.640 a man that must remain in motion because if he 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.040 stays in any place for more than a second or 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.639 two at a time, he leaves a lasting orange stain. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.480 So that is what I have to say about Matthew Cardona. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:08.920 What do you What do you think about matt Cardona? 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:10.600 What do you think about g c W? What did 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.320 you think about an x T last night? I thought 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.560 it was an interesting show, to say the least, a 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.000 lot of new talent. But you know what, I hear 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.920 that bumper. We're gonna throw it to a commercial and 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.000 we're gonna see if our friend Mike Semper v of 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:43.120 your turns for segment two of Rustling Observer Live. Ryan 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.280 Alvarez is at see Mike Semper, vv is in the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.720 digital stratosphere, and your boy KG Kevin Gill is holding 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.640 it down across Sports Byline, across Twitch for all the 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.960 troops overseas. It's going down. And one of the things 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.600 that's caught my eye and my attention and is regarding 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.880 some statements that Tony Khan has made regarding a E 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.680 W T Dynamite airing of course tonight, the Man has 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.280 promised huge announcements as well as a surprise. And if 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.960 you look at the history and the track record of 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.280 promised surprises in the wrestling industry overall mixed bag. If 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.560 you look at the track record of Tony Khan and 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.519 a W in terms of surprises and announcements, the man 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.280 has uh six stars at the Tokyo Dome, you know 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.960 what I mean. So the fact that they're putting this 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.360 out there for such a loaded show, um, it really 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.600 could open the door to you know, we all know 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.920 the holidays is the toughest time to to get a 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.440 raining and to get the audience's attention. However, is a 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.600 W stacking the deck? So convincingly tonight with this lineup 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.240 that they could possibly take a little notch into that 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.160 loss that happens. We saw n x T last night 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.640 introduced aj Styles into the mix to try to counter 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.320 that Tuesday Night nfl um taking nothing away from the 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.240 star power of Styles. You know what I mean? But 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.960 I think a W is really stacked the deck for tonight. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.200 I know Semer bb is gonna jump back in and 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.600 he's excited because a W tonight is the Holiday Bash 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:19.320 Dynamite from the Greensboro Coliseum in the wrestling town of Greensboro, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.080 North Carolina. Uh, and Mike Simber, give you what are 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.719 your thoughts on the show tonight? Forget about my thoughts 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.160 on the show tonight. Let's talk about the show right now. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.599 And what kind of professional that Kevin Gill is to 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.640 jump in here when we're having all sorts of technical 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.000 snaff foos getting from Brian's studio to the Bye line 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.480 back to the beach on the East coast over here, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.719 all this sort of nonsense, and look at you just 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.640 going at it. What is going on? My man? Oh, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.359 it's it's a thrill to be here, Mike. As you know, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.320 I'm a I'm a daily listener, a big supporter and fan, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.560 and it's an honor this year the air waves man. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.560 Much love to Granny too, if I can say that, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.680 and much love to producer Dom who was doing some 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.200 s hambling to save the day there. So here you go. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.160 A watermelon red bull for the working man that I 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.839 will open up right there, and Kevin a look again. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.760 I thank you very much for coming on the show. Obviously, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.320 thank you very much for covering for me here as 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.760 I was able to jump on the the byeline highline 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.880 and get this show started here man. But you know, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.159 I just when it is great to finally have you 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.800 on here. It's great to be able to talk about 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.760 game change or wrestling. But there's a lot that I'd 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.279 love to get into today with you. And one of 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.360 the things I wanted to talk out a little bit 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.600 about was tonight's a e W show. And I'm not 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.279 sure exactly what you ran down there when he came 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.039 to the show tonight. Did you have a chance to 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.800 speak about the owen Hart Cup and some of the 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.279 things that they have planned for that tonight. No, I 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.240 did not name any of those details. I was just 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.440 about to. But the only thing I did mention was 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.880 the Tony Cohn is teasing major announcements and a major 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.799 surprise tonight on Dynamite and his track record on delivering 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.720 announcements and surprises is on paralleled. So that alone has 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.280 my attention, and then we can run down that amazing card. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.440 And you know they have mentioned on Twitter and in 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.640 other places they have put this out that tonight they 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.919 are going to have a very special video on the 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.599 Owen Hart Cup Tournament, which will include stars of multiple 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.960 generations speaking about his legacy and what will be very 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.600 cool for I think a lot of wrestling fans out there. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.039 I think some of us olds take this for granted 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.680 because you know, we've had a chance to see a 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.960 lot of Owen in New Japan pro wrestling. But I 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.679 think for a lot of people who get a chance 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.240 to see Owen Hart mix it up with Jusian Lieger 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.960 or or however, they're you know, so many guys of 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.400 that generation, one of the greatest generations of the New 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.880 Japan junior heavyweights that ever at that time when he 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.560 was there. Uh. They're gonna be showing some of that too, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.119 including and as well as private movies that Martha Hart. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.440 Uh is allowing to be to be aired. So this 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.400 is going to be a very emotional surely in a 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.960 very educational night. I think for a lot of people 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.600 that you know Owen has been it's been a long 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.480 time now, and we have so many of our listeners 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.880 and viewers of this show that I mean, they were 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.000 born in the two thousands, so they you know, they 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.640 know the story of what happened to Owen hartp. But 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.360 I don't think they really know in some ways you 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.760 know who he was or how great his legacy is 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.440 in the ring because unless you saw that New Japan stuff, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.200 and you only go off the W W E stuff, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.800 which is great, you know a lot of it, you know, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.840 you don't really know how how impactful and how revolutionary 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.520 of a guy he was, and how wonderful is it 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.880 that now his his true legacy with the cooperation and 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.880 the spirit of his family and and and all the 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.480 platforms that a w can provide and to bring this 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.800 this Owen hard cup uh for for male and female 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.840 performers like it's it's really just fabulous. The whole the 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.760 whole thing is populous, absolutely, and they have a Britt Baker, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.160 Tony Chevanni, Christmas party which is going to be set up. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.400 And I don't know if you saw the little Control 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.640 Center segment that Tony Chevanni did where he invited on 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.120 his former tag team partner in the booth, David Crockett 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.040 to come on, and Tony did mention that he may 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.000 be bringing the mistletoe, and uh, he was kind of 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.960 poked by David there a little bit. And I don't 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.000 know if that's really all that good of an idea, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.960 considering Adam Cole has not been in a good mood recently, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.040 going back and forth with the best Friends, and he 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.679 will face off against Orange Cassidy tonight, as well as 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:43.000 the TBS tournament semifinals between Nyla Rose and Ruby Soho, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.120 as well as Griff Garrison going for some revenge on 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.000 Malachi Black, and that will all lead to the main 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:56.200 event that I am very much interested in. M JF. Yeah, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.280 just just a little bit. M JF and FTR against Sting, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:06.440 c HM, Punk and Darby Allen Sting's first match in Greensboro, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:14.080 North Carolina in twenty seven years. Man, it is a 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:19.600 long time, and even crazier thirty four years ago is 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.920 when he faced off against Rick Flair, which means thirty 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.280 five years ago is when Jim Crockett promotions about the 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.520 u WF and they got sting and it is it 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.200 is wild that he is still going right now. It 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.719 is going to be a wild scene for sure. I 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.400 would assume in Greensboro and Boy surprises being promised. I 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:41.920 know there are a lot of people last week that 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.520 were hoping that the Briscos would kind of pop out 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.800 there at the end and be that surprise, but it 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.240 ended up being sting in Darby Allen, which makes complete 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.680 sense to lead into the match in Greensboro tonight. But Kevin, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.360 you know, it's the massive speculation station. Sometimes when he 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.280 comes to a W, they have a lot of tools 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.880 at their disposal, a lot of people and surprises that 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.480 they could try to pull off. Tonight would now be 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.240 a good time for the g c W World World 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.160 Tag Team Champions to make their first appearance in a W. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.960 I very well could be the Brisco brothers. Den boys 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.040 have been on a roll and Mike, you followed their 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.120 career from a very up close perspective for a very 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.520 long time, and not only have those guys not lost 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.560 a step, but there the level that they perform at 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.800 is unprecedented, and in a way, as Ring of Honor 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.360 has had its own challenges, it felt like less and 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.080 less of the world got to be as hands on 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.079 familiar with the Briscos greatness. And now the world's attention 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.040 is back on the Briscos. The biggest audience possible is 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.960 seeing the Briscos. It's about to blow up. In my opinion, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.559 the Briscos are are that damn good and that that 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.360 why not that no time better than now, And with 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.560 the challenges of the holiday season and the ratings, Let's 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.880 blow tonight up and see how it does. I think 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.160 that's a great strategy. And if I made my real 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.840 quick he talked about Sting returning to Greensboro. Uh, there's 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.240 a lot of missed opportunities in the wrestling business. One 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.840 of the biggest missed opportunities of this generation was Sting 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.160 not winning his big match at WrestleMania and then doing 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.800 that big tour with w W Lee and coming to 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.600 all these towns and wrestling one last time and appearing 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.040 and all that. But instead a w is there to 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.120 make the tactical move and and the feel good vibes 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.280 for the holidays. Man, it really really is and I 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.720 would assume that a lot of old traditions are going 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.079 to be on display, or at least a lot of old, old, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.000 fuzzy war memories. It would be hard for me to 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.480 believe that there's not going to be. I mean, Tully 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.400 Blanchard is right there. I mean, so many of those 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:47.199 guys that not only are in the ring but work 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.600 for I mean, you forget about how many guys that 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.000 now work for a w behind the scenes that grew 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.040 up as in the Jim Crockett Promotions era and in 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.320 that especially in that Dusty Rhodes era of being the 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.760 booker there where we got Flair and we got Dusty, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.600 and we got the horsemen and Sting in so many 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.839 of these other great memories. And it is going to 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.920 be fascinating to see how they weave all of that 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.320 into the show tonight. And hey, everybody, we made it 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.200 through one. Let's see if we have any more technical 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.439 snapoos for the rest of them. Mike sember bby Kevin 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:31.719 gil Wrestling was over alive back on the show. Mike 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.240 Sember BB joined by Kevin Gill. This is Wrestling Observer Live. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.280 Brian Albert is still out on that big boat in 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.439 the water somewhere, floating alongside Oreo the orch. I am 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.000 sure he is enjoying his time. I am sure he 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.880 is enjoying not dealing with a whole bunch of headaches 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.080 that come with doing this show sometimes. So everything seems 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.240 to be all settled now, KG. And and you know, 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.920 I have wanted to return to favor for a long 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.000 time and have you on the show and things just 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.840 you know, it hasn't really worked out to be for 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.440 you to be able to come on as a co 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.120 host for the entire thing. But you know, you know, 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.120 far past the g c W thing, Like you know, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.480 we're old, you know we we we go back in 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.640 this thing. We go back for a minute here, like 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.320 you know the way back. And in fact, you know 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.679 you're you know, is that what you want to call 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.160 it this season. We're battle tested, We're callous to the 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.360 way of this thing. And I've been doing this now. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.240 Wake's very experienced with with all the x is in 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.640 there that that may be required depending on what the 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.600 experience was at the time. But you know, twenty years, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.560 I've I've been in this thing now and in some 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.400 form or another, uh, starting off at the torch doing 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.880 impact or at the time it was n W a 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.840 t N A weekly pay per views, because who else 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.000 was stupid enough to buy those? You know, for a 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.280 week I was. I thought it was a cons sept 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.559 and I was I had to get away from w 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.960 W at the time everything else died out. Yeah, Like 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.160 I had a viewing party for the night one, did 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.680 you really Absolutely? I had like twelve people over. I 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.719 felt bad though, I'll be honest, I felt I kind 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.560 of felt bad at the end because it wasn't well received. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.720 I was gonna say, how many came back in the 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.840 next week. Yeah, it was a very disappointing, Like we 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.000 were so hyped for it, and then there was like 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.160 you know what I'm saying, little people in trash cans, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.160 and it wasn't what I was. There was some there 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.000 was some eyelights, but it wasn't what we were expecting. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.520 Oh puppet with Dusty roose Midet beating off in the 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.080 trash can. This was These were words uttered on on 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.520 real TV. But you know, that was when I got 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.480 into this. But by that point, you know, you were 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.880 already into all of this. And I guess for some 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.320 people out there who really only know you as the 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.760 g c W guy or maybe they know you from 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.560 Juggalos or something like that, like just the wrestling stuff. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.320 Talk a little bit about like kind of who you were, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.200 and you don't have to give a big buyo or anything. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.600 But like I don't know if people they see you 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.800 with Lars, but like they don't know you were in 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.640 the punk game in New York and putting out your 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.360 own stuff for a long time and putting people on 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.600 and they don't know about that. They don't know that 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.960 you were in the video game business and you know, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.120 all of that sort of stuff and how you got 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.200 the backyard wrestling stuff off the ground. Like you talk 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.040 just a little bit about who you are and where 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.480 you came from to get to this point. Now, sure, man, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.320 I appreciate the kudos. I mean, I'm I'm a wrestling 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.400 a music fan from Queens, New York, and uh, like 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.560 many people, I found an escape. I found magic in 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.160 in music and wrestling and video games and my passion 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.680 in being in New York, a wrestling mecca, a music mecca. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.920 It wasn't long before I, while being a wrestling fan, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.760 I got to experience your masson Square Garden and Naessa Colosseum, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.720 and you know, even got to see Jimmy Valliant versus 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.320 Abdulla the Butcher in white Stone Queens. I got to 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.360 see Roddy Piper wrestling white Stone Queen's Crazy Things. But 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.720 I was a fan, and uh, my fandom of wrestling 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.520 and music led me to putting out a series of 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.680 New York hardcore records. I put out nineteen records for 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.840 Striving for Togetherness Records, a New York card core label 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.840 best known for artists like Vision of Disorder to Life, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.520 No Redeeming Social Value six and Violence. Um. That was 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.040 a total d I Y thing. I didn't have any experience. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.400 I was a kid who moved out of his house 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.080 at seventeen years old. But I saw an opening. I 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.480 was like, how is this super underground band that I'm 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.120 seeing play in a tiny room with everyone screaming the words? 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.720 How do they not have a record? How are they 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.360 not playing better shows? And I just learned how to 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.360 do stuff. Let me book this band shows, Let me 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.480 get this band a record deal. Why aren't I putting 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.720 out the records? And through that d I Y approach, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.600 I got to meet and work with a lot of 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.440 people and this was at the same time that e 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.240 c W reignited my passion for wrestling. So I was 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.800 so I was escaping from hardcore music by going to 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.360 e c W shows working on the label during the week, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.160 and uh, that was just an amazing crossover that led 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.840 to me getting up my work in branding and marketing 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.439 and and all that led me to an opportunity with 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.840 a startup company called rock that wasn't even have a 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.439 name yet, but it went on to be known as 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.040 rock Star Games. UM. So I was one of the 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.320 first handful of people to work there, and I'm grateful 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.199 for those opportunities. From there, I worked on a lot 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.000 of great games there and had incredible opportunities. Uh. From there, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.119 I went to IDAs Interactive. I worked on games like 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.440 Tomb Raider, Backyard Wrestling, hit Man. I got to create 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.920 the Backyard Wrestling series. I got to do the soundtracks 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.600 for it, bringing time all the other stuff together. So UM, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.720 I feel very blessed to have the track record that 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.040 that I have, and UH to have worked on hundreds 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.680 of video games and put out all these records. And 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.200 UH there was even a time with rock Star Games 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.440 where we we had assigned contract from Paul Hayman to 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.960 do the e c W video game, and who knows 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.480 how that could have changed everything, But in the end 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.720 it wasn't. It was meant to be. But I've gotten 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.199 to meet my heroes and work with them. Most of 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.000 them are awesome, and uh, I really wouldn't change the thing. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.119 I'm just grateful to be here and to lend my 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.760 experience and my p l V from a d I 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.119 Y New York hardcore underground every man's perspective, but with 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.440 kind of a maybe a worldly overview. Now, how did 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.440 they how did you get past the mike and pro wrestling? 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:25.760 Because a lot of people are like, well, how did 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.639 you end up in the position that you're in like 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.400 talking to me, and it's just like, you know, well, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.520 just I was a big wrestling fan that got on 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.480 somewhere and I love to talk and I love to 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.600 banter about wrestling. It just it started with the parress 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.920 who power our podcast, and it just kind of went 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.399 from there and then you know, here I am. You 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.680 know it didn't still doing this thing, still learning, still grinding, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.520 but it's like, you know, there's there was no book. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.119 I never learned how to do this stuff. Obviously, you 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.040 can listen to me and tell you know, I didn't 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.520 go to college and get my mask calm degree. You 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.959 know what I'm saying. It's like I just I just 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.639 had a passion for something and I really poured myself 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.760 into it, and I've learned everything as people have painfully 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.960 followed along with me in my process of trying to 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.000 learn how to do video and audio and the nightmares 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.640 of sin lament A shows and all that sort of stuff, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.679 like you know, you know, but it's like, you know, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.720 nobody told me it would trained me how to do 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.919 this when you first got the mic? Who passed it 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.040 to you? And did you have any experience doing anything 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.440 when he came to wrestling play by play? Okay, so 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.040 the only experience I had do in wrestling play by 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.400 play was literally sitting in the stands and I would 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.520 kind of call match, not the entire matcher all the time, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.439 but I would kind of call certain stuff when I 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.120 would just go to a show, you know what I mean, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.160 for my me or my friends amusement type of thing 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.359 like uh, calling spots or calling little sequences with a 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.919 little extra comedy or whatever. Um, but that's just messing around, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.960 you know what. I mean the first time, the first 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.520 time I ever got the mic. Uh. Outside of wrestling, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.760 I got the mic a lot in video games like 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.760 rock Star would use me to talk to the press, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.639 talk to investors. They would fly me out to sell 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.439 games to Walmart and other people, you know what I mean. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.879 I would actually go and do the talking. You know 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.359 what I mean, I would do the pitching. So they 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.600 they saw something in my talk and let me talk. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.560 But for wrestling, Uh, my first opportunity in wrestling was 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.280 being a referee, So referees don't talk. So I was 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.520 just being a referee. And there was an independent show 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.920 here in San Francisco and a wrestler named Dylan Drake, 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.640 who's the champion. So he's he's the big dog, he's 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.520 the vet, and uh, the camera crew was set up 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.360 and they call out to locker room, Hey, we need 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.520 a mic check. And someone checked this mic and everyone's 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.399 just talking and lacing up their boots and whatever, and 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.240 no one gets up, and I go, I can cut 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.600 check the mic and then go go ahead. So I 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.680 just cut off the top of my head like ninety 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.320 second promo about like a radio commercial almost for what 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.760 tonight's event was going to be And at the end 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.000 of the promo, the champion stood up Dylan Drake and 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.280 he said, why is this guy not on the microphone 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.840 on our show? And because of the way wrestling works, 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.840