1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio. Professional sports have a way of 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: turning mere mortals into legends. As a football obsessed kid 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: myself in the nineteen seventies, there were a few players 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: more exciting to watch than Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach. 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: He was nimble, strong, and man could he throw a football. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Starbuck earned the nickname Captain America in part because of 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: his four years of service in the Navy, including a 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: tour in Vietnam. He won a Heisman Trophy while at 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: the Naval Academy. He was inducted into the Football Hall 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: of Fame in and he was awarded the Presidential Medal 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: of Freedom in two thousand eighteen. Roger star Back played 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: eleven seasons with the Cowboys, leading them to the Super 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Bowl four times. They won under Starbuck in seventy two 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: and seventy eight, and Roger was Super Bowl m v 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: P in nineteen seventy two. Starbucks Cowboys had nearly two 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: dozen comeback wins in the fourth quarter, many of them 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: in the final two minutes of a game or in overtime. 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: When he retired in nineteen eighty, Roger Starbuck had one 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: of the highest career passer ratings in NFL history. After 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: he left pro ball, he built the Starbuck Company, one 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: of the most successful corporate real estate companies in the country. 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Competition comes naturally to Roger Starbuck. Well, you know, the 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: competitive side. Looking back, people have said a lot about 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: you know that that knew me when I was growing 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: up and everything. And I was an only child, lived 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, Ohio, and my parents were great, and they 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, really I kept saying that, you know, I 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: like to have a brother or a sister, because all 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: of our neighbors had, like the Bean family down the street. 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: There was nine Beans and and everybody they were brothers 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: and sisters. So I wanted to be an athlete, and 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: I started playing basketball. I started playing baseball and football. 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: I didn't get started until I was in the seventh grade. 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: And I really wanted to do it to have my 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: parents proud of me, and so it was. Uh so 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: I really was competitive on trying to be the best 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: that I could be at what I was going to do. 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: And you know, there's an old saying there's no traffic 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: jams on the extra mile, And I always feel that 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: I've given that extra in sports. And it started that way, 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: and it started because of my parents and I wanted 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: them to be proud of me. And so I was 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: a pretty decent baseball player and basketball player. And then 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: in the seventh grade I went out and made the 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: football team. I was a running back and then I 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: was a receiver and and then the coach at in 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: our high school switched me to be quarterback and changed 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: my life. I didn't really want to be a quarterback, 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: but my dad told me as a baseball player, one 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: time the catcher got hurt and they were gonna put 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: me then a catcher, and I said, I don't know 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: put that equipment on. It's you know, too hot out here. 54 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: And he just said, just try to be the best 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: catcher you can be. And so so I caught for 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: about nine years after that. And I had the same 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: thing when when coach McCarthy wanted me to be the quarterback, 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm going to try to be 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: the best quarterback I can be because I and and 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: it really changed my life because I don't think i'd 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: be here on the show, I like if I hadn't 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: started to play quarterback. So I was very competitive, and 63 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot of that was because I wanted my parents 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: to really be proud of me as far as what 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: I did in sports. And was it also a case 66 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: because I know that in my childhood I'm the opposite. 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: I got three brothers and we would be There was 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: a nine whole public golf course, very famous, little spot 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: in our in our neighborhood, but there were little seams 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: along the fairway where the lay of the of the 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: whole would leave a little margin of land off to 72 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: the side, and they had a tree line that would 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: keep the balls from going into people's houses and going 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: through their windows, you know, over the fence and in 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: this spit of land that was our Dallas Stadium. That 76 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: was our meadow lands. That was where we played football. 77 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: And my mother would scream at us. She'd scream because 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: if she if she stuck her head out the door 79 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: of our house, we were right across the streets. She 80 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: yelled for us to come home because we would play 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: football till it was dark. But it was me and 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: my brothers, and like the beans. We had other neighbors 83 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: who had a lot of kids, and we don't get 84 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: together and play touch pick up football we were football junkies, 85 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Was it also for you 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: of things where this is where you could hang out 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: with other guys, This is where you could have brothers, 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: This is where you could have the kids in your 89 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: life more regularly that you didn't have at home. Oh, 90 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: sure it was. When I went to St. John's grade school, 91 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: sports were away for us to be together is uh 92 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: and and even on the playground, you know, we would 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: play tackle the man with the ball, and I was 94 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: always uh heart. I really was hard to tackle sometimes 95 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: with the ball. So I went to St. John at Banship, 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: so it was a grade school, was a Catholic grade school, 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: and I had a nun in the third grade. I 98 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: learned right away, I better get with it. Sister Ala 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Wishes got me up against the wall and had me 100 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: hold my hands out and I had to hold something 101 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: in my hands, and she was tough, but she really 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: made a difference in my life and taught me that 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: I better get with it. I better make sure I 104 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: do my homework and and so it really helped to 105 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: have people that made a difference in your life. And 106 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: she was making sure that I was doing what I 107 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: was supposed to do, and my mom and dad were 108 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: both working, and uh I had a really strong influence 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: with the nuns at St. John's Evangelists, especially sister Ella Wishes. 110 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: I still can see her. I can still see her 111 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: pushing me against Roger. Roger, you you better, you better 112 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: do this, or you're gonna stand holding your hands out 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: in this wall all day. And and anyway that that. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Those were the good things that helped helped me a 115 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: whole lot. And it carried over into sports because I 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: was going to try to do the best I could 117 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: possibly do in sports, and we had our grade school teams. 118 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: I think we really cared about each other and I 119 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: learned a lot about teamwork. So it was really kind 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: of growing up and trying to do the best that 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: I could do based on what people were telling me, 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: and and also making my parents proud of me. So 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: I stayed with it. And when I was switched a 124 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: quarterback in football, my life changed. I um, I did 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: okay at quarterball. Yeah you did okay at quarterball? Just okay, 126 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, I don't want you to get 127 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: too big ahead. Well you know we lost a Super 128 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Bowl too, Well, we don't we want us to me, 129 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: We don't remember that I've been very humbled in in 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: my life and sports too. So if you're playing a 131 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: different position, if you're running back, throwing is such an art. 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: It's such an art. And when my arm wasn't so 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: messed up my old I used to love to throw 134 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: a football. I used to carry a football in my 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: car in Los Angeles and with my brother Stephen was 136 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: with me. If we were in a traffic jam on 137 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: the then tour, if we get out of the car 138 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: and throw the football in the highway, just out a 139 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: boardom with it would be like, you know, some pile 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: up somewhere. Throwing a football was something that I was 141 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: obsessed with most of my youth. So when you were 142 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: a running back, what was you weren't a picturer in baseball? 143 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: What was throwing for you? Had you been throwing before 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the gave you the nod to be a quarterback? You know, 145 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: we we haven't rehearsed anything before. We're talking here and well, 146 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: you're Alex, You're you're right on the change in my 147 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: life when I they switched me to quarterback is because 148 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: coach McCarthy and coach Cincheck I saw that I was 149 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: a really good baseball player. I could throw the baseball 150 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: and and he just said, he said, Roger, sometimes it 151 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: seems like the players listened to you, but we, uh, 152 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: we know you've got a good arm, and we want 153 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: you to play quarterback. And so it was my senior 154 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: in high school when I when I really first played quarterback. 155 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: My junior year I played. I was all defense, and 156 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: but it was because of my arm. He saw it 157 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: me playing baseball and he's the one that uh talked 158 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: me into playing quarterback. And he didn't talk me into it. 159 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: He said, hey, you're you're gonna work at quarterback. For you, 160 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Montana came to the set of a 161 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: TV show. I was working on thirty Rock with Tina 162 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: fe for years and Montana came on the show and 163 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: they brought him to my room to meet me. And 164 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: I said, to my goh my god, what did you 165 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: do to train your arm? Was it? Was it waits? 166 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: What was your thing? And and if I think he 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: was being serious, I don't think he was messing with me. 168 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: He said he got a length of medical tubing, like 169 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: some kind of flexible rubbery tubing and had that fastened 170 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: with a handle with a grip of some kind into 171 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: a doorway and he would stand in a doorway and 172 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: just rotate his arm and that throwing motion back and 173 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: forth to condition me do like a thousand reps of 174 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: that just to strength and literally the throwing motion. What 175 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: was back then your physical conditioning? Like during the season, 176 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: were you weight lifting, were you what was what did 177 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: you do to strengthen your arm? Well, back in those days, 178 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: it really wasn't in vogue as far as weightlifting and 179 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: sports where you just went out and played. We had 180 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: baseball practice all the time. We had basketball practice, and 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: and of course we had football practices. So it was 182 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: really at the practices and in the What what I 183 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: had was was I did have a baseball arm, and 184 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I kind of when I threw, I had a little, 185 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: you know, a motion whereas a quarterback you want to 186 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: get rid of the ball, you get keep it up 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: by the ear. And I didn't really achieve that as 188 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: as well as I should. But I had a good 189 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: throwing motion, uh, And I had I had a good 190 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: velocity on the ball. That made up for maybe that 191 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: little hitch I had thrown the ball. But I uh, 192 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, learned to throw on a bit on my 193 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: own and uh and coaches did work with me on 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: trying to keep the ball up a little bit, you know, 195 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: instead dropping it. But that was from baseball. But it 196 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: still comes down to whatever you do and how you throw. 197 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: You've got to believe in yourself. And uh and there's 198 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: some you know, quarterbacks that are great passers that don't 199 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: actually you know, throw the way they're supposed to. And 200 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: I was in kind of in the middle of not 201 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: exactly throwing the way I should as a quarterback. I 202 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: threw more as a baseball player. But it worked, and I, uh, 203 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: I really started to to really fall in love with 204 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: being a quarterback. I all of a sudden, I really 205 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: liked being a quarterback. Now, when you were people I've 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: spoken to uh in in the modern era, they would 207 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: say that throwing a ball was as much engaging their 208 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: core and exercising their strengthening their core and their legs. 209 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: They strengthened their legs that well, I'll never forget one 210 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: guy said that my favorite line. He said, you can't 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: shoot a cannon out of a canoe and you got 212 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: a strengthen your leg get your your legs all nice 213 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and strong, and get a good base below you and 214 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: a good foundation below you in your core. And he goes, 215 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: and you and you just launched that thing, he says. 216 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: He said, I'll never forget this guy said to me. 217 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: He goes, I closed my eyes, and you stand twenty 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: yards away from me, and I'll throw the ball to you. 219 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: I'll throw a few to get the whole timing, and 220 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: I'll sense where you are, because then I'll close my 221 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: eyes and I'll be able to tell you whether the 222 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: past was good or not by the way it felt 223 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: coming out of my hand, he said. I can tell 224 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: I could feel the way my body torud and way 225 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: my arm would come, the way I could throw, you know, 226 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: to say all that, Alec, the thing that I did, 227 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: I worked out all the time, and I was careful 228 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: on throwing. You didn't want to over overdo it. And 229 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, I warmed up and I tried to, you know, 230 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: make sure my arm was ready. I worked out. I 231 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: was crazy about working out, and I used to go 232 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: out if there was just one other receiver, I would 233 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: still act like I was taking a snap and dropping back. 234 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I just didn't just didn't stand there to row the ball. 235 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: I really, uh, no, matter what you what, you have 236 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: to do in life. You gotta work hard to get there. Yeah. Now, 237 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: everybody who's an NFL fan its every detail of your story. 238 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: And when it came time for you to go into 239 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the Naval Academy, you must have known, of course that 240 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: you owe them the service at the end. Correct, you 241 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: knew that was coming. Yes, So when you go to 242 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: the Naval Academy and you win the title, and you 243 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: the Big Game and you get the Heisman Trophy and 244 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: the NFL comes calling, was that all a big surprise 245 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: to you? Well, going to the Naval Academy, I wasn't 246 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: sure what, you know. I did have some scholarship offers 247 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: after high school, but I really played that just that 248 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: one year. It was my first year at quarterback, and 249 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: we didn't throw a whole lot. We I actually ran 250 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: more um and so I wanted to get more experience. 251 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, but 252 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: I liked the Naval Cademy. I visited there and then 253 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: they told me they said, hey, Roger, you know, we 254 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: would like for you to go to junior college one year. 255 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: And when the best things I ever did, I went 256 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: to Roswald in Mexico and I went to New Mexico 257 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: Military Institute. I shot a film It to Me, which 258 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: is a really fine school, and it's it's a military 259 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: It gave me the at least the warning about the 260 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: things I had to do in the military when I 261 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: became a plea at the Naval Academy. But it also 262 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: I played another year at quarterback and we really had 263 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: a good football team. We were a junior college team. 264 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: We had a coach named Robert Shaw, who was a 265 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: former NFL player and he and he really helped me 266 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot at my quarterback position, and and I got 267 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: better Instead of level and offer or something, I got 268 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: better there and I had a real good, uh junior 269 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: college period, and I decided I definitely wanted to go 270 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: to the Naval Academy. And I wasn't looking at someday 271 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: I was going to play pro football. I was I 272 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: wanted to get an education and also be able to 273 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: play sports. And I figured that someone better better stay 274 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: on me to make sure I got the education. And 275 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to be able to get a chance 276 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: to go there and play football, and I actually played 277 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: baseball there. For all four years at Navy, I played 278 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: baseball and football, and obviously I got a great education, 279 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: and I got to learn a lot about the military, 280 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: and I spent four years in the military before I 281 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,119 Speaker 1: joined the Dallas Cowboys. Now, what year do you enter Annapolis? 282 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: You go to the Naval Academy? What year? I went 283 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: in sixty one? So when I graduated high school in 284 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: sixty I went from high school to the New Mexico 285 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: Military and Student and I went to the Naval Academy 286 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty one. So when you're there in 287 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: sixty one, the Vietnam War is not what it was 288 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: about to become. When you go into the Naval Academy, 289 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: you go in one end and you come out that 290 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: tunnel on the other end in Vietnam becomes a very 291 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: very real thing. And so when you go in, I 292 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: guess it's sixty five, I'm assuming you start your service. 293 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: But when you come out of the Naval Academy and 294 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: you're a star collegiate a fleet, will you sit there 295 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of going oh God? You know, like I got 296 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: to go to Vietnam? Now for four years? Was it? 297 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: We were you less than smiling about that? You know? 298 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: I went to Vietnam just for one year. Where'd you 299 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: go after that? I went to the Penncacal Naval Air Station. 300 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I was a logistics officer, a supply officer. I was 301 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: partially color blind, and that limited me. I was not 302 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: able to go Navy line or be a be a pilot. 303 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: But I was very fortunate I became a Navy logistics 304 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: officer and when I went to Vietnam, I wasn't out 305 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: there getting shot at. I was in the Dunang and 306 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Chula and we we at that time the Marines occupied 307 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: the I Corps area South Vietnam, and those early years there, 308 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: we supported the Marines and took care of the Marines. 309 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: And in fact I lived at Camp Tinshaw and I 310 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: had a couple of my teammates. They were Navy seals. 311 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: The seals are pretty new at that time. We were 312 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: living together in Camp Tinshaw, right and near to Dunang, 313 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: and so I asked him they were coming back one 314 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: day and I said, where have you guys been? What 315 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: are you doing? Said, hey, listen, stop back. You are 316 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: our quarterback, and we listened to you. You were our leader. 317 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: But we cannot tell you where we've been, but we 318 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: know we're doing a hell of a lot more than 319 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: you're doing right now, And so I said, well, yeah, thanks, guys, 320 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: I said, I'm quite a bit, but I I admit 321 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't out there right smack in the middle of everything. 322 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: But I wanted to serve that year in Vietnam because 323 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: we were at war there and you know, the troops 324 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: that were there, and being able to serve them and 325 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: being with them meant a lot to me in the 326 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: four years I had in the service. Now you go 327 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: to Dunangu there for a year, you come back to Pensacola, 328 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: you said, correct, Pensacola in Pensacola, and then your military 329 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: service is over. Your four years out of your term 330 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: in the academy. So I'm guessing you're twenty six years old. 331 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: How old were you at that point? I was twenty 332 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: six and when I joined the Cowboys. Yeah, right, So 333 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: in the seam in between, you finish your military service 334 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: and you're gonna go join the Cowboys. Who tells you 335 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: that the NFL wants you to come back and start again. 336 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: After my junior at Navy, I was drafted, uh, which 337 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: was a kind of a surprise by Dallas in Kansas 338 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: City that the league hadn't merged yet, and you know, 339 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: I was drafted late. You know, they were just betting 340 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: on the fact that that I might try to play 341 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: again or something. But they both drafted me. And then 342 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: when I graduated, my wife and I we got we 343 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: get married then, and I was stationed at the Naval 344 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: Academy for a few months, and I got a call 345 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: from Lamar Hunt who said, Roger, I would like to 346 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: come up and talk to you. And I said yes, 347 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Mr Hunting. He said yeah. I said, if you, if 348 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: you ever decide you want to play football someday, we 349 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: want you to play for the Kansas City Chiefs. And 350 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: and because I was drafted by Dallas, I guess there 351 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: was you know, there was that that that issue. And 352 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: so he came and what a nice person he was. 353 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: You know, at the time, I was getting like four 354 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: d and twenty dollars a month as an encon and 355 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: and uh he offered me a five hundred a month, 356 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar check, hundred thousand dollar bonus if I 357 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: left after my four years and played for Kansas City. 358 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: So he was looking to the future. And so I 359 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: told Navy a captain who was a legal officer, Navy 360 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: Captain Paul Borden, and I said, Captain Born, can I 361 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: do this? And I you know if I signed this, 362 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: and he said, let me look into it. He came back. 363 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: He said, Roger, you have to give your four years 364 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: and you can do whatever you want after those four years. 365 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: And nothing wrong with you know, taking the money now 366 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: if they want to give it to you, you don't 367 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: have to You don't have to leave the service. And 368 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: he said, but did you have you talked to Dallas 369 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: and he and I said no, and he said, well, 370 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: let me call him. So he called gil Brandt or 371 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: he got ahold of guil It was Gil brand He 372 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: talked to who was guilbrand for as soon as they 373 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: don't know. Lamar Hunt was the owner of the Chiefs 374 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: who wanted the Cowboys then Clint Murkison, and Gil Brandt 375 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: was his right hand. Gil's was really uh Mr Football 376 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: that and he was in charge of all the drafting 377 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: and everything. And so he said, yeah, we we loved 378 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: we we'd like to talk to you. So Captain Borden 379 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: went and met with the Cowboys and they offered to 380 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: say they said they do the same thing. So I agreed. 381 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: Then if I ever played again, I'd play for Dallas. 382 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: And then I called Mr Hunt back and you know, 383 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: told him, and he said, well, Roger, we were just beginning. 384 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you more. And I said, well, 385 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I think he was kidding when he said that. He 386 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: just said because it wasn't he big. It really wasn't 387 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: that big of a deal I had four years ago. 388 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure I was going to ever play again. 389 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: When I got back and I was stationed at Pensacola, 390 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: I took leave and want to Dallas training camp the 391 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: year before I was able to if I was going 392 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: to leave the service of it been my fourth year. 393 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: I was with the rookies and people there for two weeks. 394 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: I really did fine, and Coach Landry gave me a playbook, 395 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: which was amazing. So that's when I realized I was 396 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: going to play again. And and then I told the 397 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: Navy that after my four years, I was going to 398 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: go play with the Dallas Cowboys. I went back to 399 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: Pensacola for a year and I studied my playbook on 400 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: when I could, and I joined the Cowboys in n 401 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: Did you contemplate staying in the Service, Oh, I did. 402 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the service, and I felt a little guilty 403 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: of but but I I served the time I was 404 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: responsible for my four years. I felt I was a 405 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: lucky person to get to get that, and at seven 406 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: I was still was able to play eleven years in 407 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: the NFL. NFL Hall of Famer Roger Starbuck. If you're 408 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: fascinated by what it takes to be a world we 409 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: now an athlete, check out my conversation with tennis legend 410 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: John McEnroe. It turned out that I wanted it lot 411 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: more than I realized, or I was able to do 412 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: more than I thought I was capable of in terms 413 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: of digging deeper and emotionally sort of accepting the challenges 414 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: step by step. It took me a long time, you know. 415 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: Part of the reason I acted the way I did. 416 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, it's like that fear of failure. Guys 417 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: don't cry type of thing, and if you show that, 418 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: that's a sign of weakness. So it was sort of 419 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: to protect myself so they'd be like, what is this 420 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: guy's crazy? Here More of my conversation with John McEnroe 421 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: at Here's the Thing dot Org. More with Dallas Cowboys 422 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: quarterback Roger Staubach. After this, I'm Alec Baldwin and you're 423 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: listening to. Here's the thing. Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach 424 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: retired in the NFL and its players have changed a 425 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: lot since then, but Roger Starbucks says if he were 426 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: starting now, he'd still have it. Oh no, no, no, 427 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: I definitely feel I could play today. I mean if 428 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: I was, if you're starting, yeah, yeah, I would really 429 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: enjoy the NFL. They really have gone to trying to 430 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: make sure that there's more passing. Back in our era, 431 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: the blitzes and the things that they did, we ran 432 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the ball more, we didn't. We didn't throw it, and 433 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: you could hit receivers. The ball wasn't in the air. 434 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: You could hit them, you know, knock them around. And 435 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: so they made the rules change that did improve the 436 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: passing game. The players are bigger than faster, but the 437 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: position like quarterback. I mean in my year, I could 438 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: us throwing the ball as hard as these guys are today. 439 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: And I was a runner to you know, I didn't 440 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: have crazy speed or anything, but but I knew how 441 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: to run in So I I think I could have 442 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: fit in fine with today's rules. But I but I 443 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: guess in some sense that never goes away, does it? 444 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: Like someone said to me, I mean, and I was 445 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: not a great football player. You mean like I was 446 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I was a skinny kid. And as 447 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: the guys that I played high school football with, and 448 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: they were the stars of my football team. They were 449 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: the gods of my high school. Steve Forenza, who was 450 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback of our football team, who won two championships 451 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: in a row. He beat our cross town rival, which 452 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: was I'm from Massapequa, Long Island, and they had two 453 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: high schools. My father taught at one and was a 454 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: football coach of the freshman football program. My dad played 455 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: football at s U. He was like a third string 456 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: fullback at SU. He played a boys high in Brooklyn. 457 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: He was a running back. And my dad was a 458 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: big football person. And my point is is that I 459 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: go to dinner with these guys and they said to me, 460 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have a chance when you stepped 461 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: on the field to play football as a freshman in 462 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: ninth grade. We'd all already played a hundred games of 463 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: peewee football. We'd already played a hundred games before you 464 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: put the pads on to play your first game. And 465 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: I went out there and I played football and these 466 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: guys hit each other like they were grown And the 467 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: brutality and the and the and I don't want to 468 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: say viciousness, but the but the the commitment. These guys 469 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: would go flying through the air and stick their forehead 470 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: and the other guys stern him and knock him on 471 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the ground. The tackling and the hitting. Forget about the 472 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: running and the grace and the athleticism and the throwing 473 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: and catching and stuff within the timing, the toughness, the 474 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: physical toughness of this guy, these guys was just absolutely 475 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: mesmerizing to me. However, I don't start. I don't play 476 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: high school football. Well, I'm I'm not good enough to 477 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: play to start with these guys. But my point is 478 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: I still can't watch an NFL game where my legs 479 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: starts to twitch and my toe starts to tap. And 480 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: I turned to some let's go outside the street and 481 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: go throw the football like you makes you you never 482 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: lose the desire to play, am I right? Yeah, that's correct? 483 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: And I still, uh, my right arm is still in 484 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: pretty decent shapes. I can't throw the ball as cars 485 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: I used to, but I can still throw decently. Some 486 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: people are you know when you're seventy nine years old. 487 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: I still throw with our our kids and grandkids. Now 488 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: you play in the NFL, and obviously everything is in 489 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: the records. You win two Super Bowls. And my friends 490 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: who have won Oscars, the first thing they say when 491 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: they go home and they process the euphoria of winning 492 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: an Academy award, this pinnacle in your career. Supposedly they 493 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: lay their head down on the pillow and the and 494 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: the thing that they're thinking is they're going to sleep 495 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: that night. Is I gotta get my hands on a 496 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: second Oscar because a lot of people have an Oscar, 497 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: but not many people have two Oscars. I want to 498 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: be in the the two Oscar club, the double club. 499 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: Now the same is true for you when you won 500 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Was it sweeter for you and more 501 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: gratifying when you won the second time? Well that I 502 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: think the first time was it was you know, Coach 503 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Landry was when I was stilling in the service, when 504 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: they were you know, they lost those tough ones to 505 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: Green Bay and Don Meredith was really a fine quarterback 506 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: and uh, in fact, he retired when when I joined 507 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or else I wouldn't have I don't know 508 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: what it would have happened if if Don Mereth would 509 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: have stayed there with the Cowboys, because I played behind 510 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Craig Morton and for for a while, you know, looking 511 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: back on there were some really tough losses that that 512 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys had, and so I think the first Super 513 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Bowl win because we were you know, coach Landry was 514 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: criticized he couldn't win the big game and the Cowboys 515 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: couldn't win the Big game. Winn't winning that game. It 516 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: really made a difference in in Cowboy history more than 517 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the second time we won the Super Bowl. That that 518 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: that was great. That too, We almost had a different 519 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: team than too. We had some just great players that 520 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: won the first one, and we uh, we've we added 521 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: some a lot of guys retired and we added some 522 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: other players when we won the second one against Denver, 523 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: and we had in between we had the Steelers twice. 524 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: Steelers were really good in the seventies and we lost 525 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: twenty one to seventeen and thirty five to thirty one, 526 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: and uh, those were almost as bad as losing the 527 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: Army Navy game. Steve Kirk. Yeah, so we we were 528 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: a winning team the whole eleven years. We we were 529 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: in the playoffs every year but one. And uh so 530 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: we were in five Super Bowls, and the first one 531 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: I was on the bench, but you know we were in. 532 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: I did play during the season at times, but the 533 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: other two that we won were big deals. I mean, 534 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: coach Landry's greatness really showed and how he built a 535 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: team from scratch to to winning a couple of Super Bowls. 536 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: So it would have been nice when we want a 537 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: few more. But you know, winning too wasn't all that bad. 538 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Roger the Dodgers Starbuck. If you're enjoying this conversation, be 539 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: sure to follow Here's the Thing on the I Heart 540 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: radio apps, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts when 541 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: we come back. Rogers Starbuck was about life after the NFL. 542 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. 543 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: In seventy one, the Dallas Cowboys had a quarterback controversy 544 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: with its two starters, Craig Morton and Roger Staubach. Long 545 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: time Cowboys coach Tom Landry went so far as to 546 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: have Morton and Starbuck alternate plays. I asked Starbuck if 547 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: this was common back then, No, it wasn't, and I 548 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks have a responsibility of not only physically 549 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: about throwing and all what they have to do, but 550 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: their leaders. And uh so our team was a bit divided. 551 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: You know. Craig was a real fine quarterback and very 552 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: tall courter. H We actually played each other in college, 553 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: and so he was on the Cowboys for four years 554 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: and when Don Meredith retired, Craig took over. And so 555 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: really it it just came down to making a decision 556 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: that you know, the quarterback is not just going in 557 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: and out throwing the football, and their leaders and so 558 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: the team was a bit divided. We had really a 559 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: good team, that's seventy one team. If he would have said, okay, 560 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: Craig is going to be the starting quarterback, we still 561 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: would have been successful. It's just that one thing. I 562 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: love coach Landry, So that was a bit confusing, uh 563 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: to Craig and I when he made that decision to 564 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: we actually alternated plays. It wasn't just the game itself, 565 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: and that was not a I don't think that was 566 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: a great decision, but coach Landry. But in the in 567 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: the television program Football Life, the One about You, Landry 568 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: asked Morton to come to his house and then in 569 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: a pretty clipped way to a pretty kind of direct 570 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: and cut to the chase way, says, we're going with Roger. 571 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: Thank you drive. He wants to say to a man 572 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: to man, face to face. I mean, was Morton just 573 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: do you think he was just stupefied? What do you 574 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: think he knew it was coming? Well, first of all, 575 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: Craig Morton is a classy guy. He I'm sure it 576 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: hurt him. He did not. He supported me the whole time. 577 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: And the next year I got hurt, I separated my shoulder, 578 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: and he took over and we really had a good year. 579 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: We went to playoffs. So Craig was, I think we 580 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: had a mutual respect for each other. He sure, he 581 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: sure supported me when coach Landry made that that tough 582 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 1: decision that allowed me to play the starting quarterback. So, 583 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, Craig was. I can't say enough nice things 584 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: about Craig. Well, I'm assuming though, that you you educate 585 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: me about this that that you come in and it's 586 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of the advent of the more mobile quarterback. You 587 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: were more mobile than Morton? Correct, Yeah, I would say, yeah, 588 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: I was. You know, I mean I ran a lot 589 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: so a lot. Craig was not no runner. Yeah, and 590 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: I you know that that probably helped, but uh, it 591 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: still was a passing game. And I think coach just 592 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: said we can't have two quarterbacks. That that that this 593 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: dividing the team. I I think half the team was 594 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: behind me and probably half the team was behind Craig. 595 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: And you want the whole team behind somebody, one leader, 596 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: one leader. Now, what do you think it was that 597 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: made Landry a great coach? Give me a couple of 598 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: things about him. His qualities had made him so great? Well, 599 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: the coach was really creative. And he when he was 600 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: with the Giants as a player, and he I think 601 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: he was a defensive coach there back then that you 602 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: had the great teams like the Green Bay Packers and others, 603 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: they they would have a three man backfield. Maybe one 604 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: person would would line up on in a tight situation, 605 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: but most of it was three people backfield. And when 606 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: he took over for the Cowboys, he really was creative. 607 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: And what he said, I need to put together an 608 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: offense that really messes up the defense. And that's when 609 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: we put in the slot formations and and the people 610 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: in motion in the five. We put in the shotgun 611 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: formation that we used on third down and down by 612 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: the goal line. Everybody thought we were crazy, and I 613 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: love that shotgun and I but it helped me because 614 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 1: if I did run, I could at least see, you know, 615 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: instead of dropping back, and if I had the ball, 616 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I could so So Coach Landry was really creative as 617 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: far as what he did, and he still was in 618 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: charge of the offense and the defense, and I think 619 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: his creativity was unsurpassed in the NFL. I think a 620 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: lot of teams end up copying some of the things 621 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: that the coach Landry initiated. He was a very very smart, 622 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: great coach, and he was also really a fine human being. 623 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: You know some sometimes uh He and I had a 624 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: few disagreements now and then, but he always wanted what's 625 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: funny is I mean, I would imagine some of your 626 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: success is due to a good coach, Like if a 627 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: guy comes up, it's a combination of your physical gifts, 628 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: it's a combination of your ethic, it's a combination of 629 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: your teammates. But then on top of that, there's a 630 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: there's another layer, which is coaching. If it really helps, 631 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to go all the way it's hard to 632 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: win the big game. It's hard to have a great 633 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: season if you don't have a good coach. Is that true? 634 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah. And just like my senior in high school, 635 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: coach changed my life when he when he put me 636 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: in a quarterback, and uh, we were a winning team 637 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: and uh can's you know, our coaches had had a 638 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: lot to do with it, and uh and we had 639 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: some great players that both on offense and the defense. 640 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: It was it was. The seventies were good time for 641 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, except when we were playing the Steelers. I 642 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: grew up where it was like the game was coaching. 643 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: Like you'd see Stram on the side and you go, God, 644 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: I love this guy. The kind of anomaly like Tarkington, 645 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: who was a little guy running around. You ran around, 646 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: and you ran effectively. I mean, being a football junkie, 647 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm always playing these games. Starbuck versus Tarkington two great scramblers. 648 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: Now if Starbuck runs effectively and Tarkington ran out of 649 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: desperate ation. He was desperate not to get smashed because 650 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: he was so small, you know. But any player, you know, 651 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: the Dolphins and and Marino who never got a ring, 652 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: and I worshiped him and kicking Zonka. These teams of 653 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: guys and Mercury Morris, I mean, teams that just get 654 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: the wind under their wings. They just take off and 655 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: have a great season, you know what I mean. But 656 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: what I want to ask you is, who's a quarterback 657 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: among many? I'm sure, but dude, who's a quarterback that 658 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: you always admired their throwing motion? Who somebody you thought, God, 659 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: look at that guy throw that ball. Well, I don't 660 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: have anyone on like throwing motion. But in today's quarterback world, 661 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: we can we cannot deny what Tom Brady has been doing. 662 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, not only was successful with Patriots, but 663 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: in one year he goes to Tampa Bay and takes 664 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: him to the super Bowl and wins the Super Bowl. 665 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: So I can't argue with anybody that says Brady inconceivable. 666 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: Actually what he's done for week quarterbacks? Uh, he he's 667 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: something special. Well for for us who are New York fans, 668 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: who always have even if it's a kind of a 669 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: measured and more subtle, uh you know, feeling towards Boston 670 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: and toward New England. I've always been kind of ridding 671 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,479 Speaker 1: my teeth about the Patriots and when he was there. 672 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: For New Yorkers, we always say to ourselves that Brady 673 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: went into the devil in the men's room at an 674 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: airport somewhere, and some transaction was made in that men's room. 675 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: I don't I agree with you. And I'm a fan 676 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: of Bill Belichick's and his his dad coached at Navy. 677 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: And I remember Bill when he was he was just 678 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: a kid. I was used to be out there throwing 679 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: the football sometimes. I think he was at practice after school. 680 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: And and so I, uh of course followed him and 681 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: followed Brady through. Uh I'm you know, I'm the Cowboys 682 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: are my my favorite team. I just want to throw 683 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: that in there. But but but I've I've I was. 684 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: I've been a fan of Bill Belichick's also, and and 685 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: so I don't know what happened there. Some deal was 686 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: made with the devil. Gotta be Now, let me ask 687 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: you this, married to the same woman for fifty years, 688 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: five kids, super Bowl champion, Heisman Trophy winner. I mean, 689 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: you are probably one of the two or three most 690 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: heroic sized football players, if not athletes, in history. And 691 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: here you are this amazing person who I'm told you 692 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: went into the real estate business, initially because you wanted 693 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: to make some money. You weren't getting paid all that 694 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: much money in the football game. And is that correct. 695 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: You started in real estate as a side job. Well, 696 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: I I did, yes, but I it wasn't just strictly 697 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: in the off season. And that's how I got started. 698 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: And then I when I retired, I started my own company. 699 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: And yeah, I got involved with real estate. And part 700 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: of it was the fact is that we had three 701 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: children born in the Navy, and we added two more 702 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 1: on Texas soil, so we had a family of five. 703 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: And my first year's salary with the Cowboys was twenty 704 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: five dollars, which back then it was it was okay. 705 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: But I I did work in the off season for 706 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: h for the Henry Miller company. You're right and that, 707 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: but I understand that since then the real estate game 708 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: has gone quite well for you. Correct, Yes, it uh yeah, 709 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: but it was it was over, you know, thirty forty 710 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: years we we sold our company to the Starbuck Company, 711 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: was sold to Jones Lying Less Hole, which is j 712 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: l L. But you build a good company, we did, yeah, 713 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: and and and the Starbuck people that are they're working 714 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: at JLL have done great there and it's uh so, 715 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: I spent ten years with when we sold the company, 716 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: and uh so, I've been involved real estate a long 717 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: long time, and but it's you know, it's part of 718 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: my life and making sure I could My wife and 719 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: I we we've been married, actually fifty six years. She 720 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: she's gonna say, hey, Alex and fifty six I apologize. 721 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: Tell your wife, I apologize for Let me just say this, 722 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: which is that with your legendary image, Captain America, all 723 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: this stuff with your legendary image is a sports figure 724 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: and just a style with citizen everybody. Just I'm sure 725 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: it was I saw this on the show. They were 726 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: all hectoring you about going into politics and running for office, 727 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: and you said that that didn't interest interest you. Were 728 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: you ever tempted? Now? I mean, you know, I really 729 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: when I started working in the off season, I was 730 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: committed to work in the real estate. And then I 731 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: started my own company, and and uh I said, well, 732 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, what can I run for politics? What am 733 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: I gonna do walk away from my company? And uh 734 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: so I had a game plan that was outside of politics, 735 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: and that was to participate in the business world. Well, listen, 736 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: I want to say to you, And I really mean this. 737 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: I mean sports occupy a place in people's lives which 738 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: enters their lives in a very unique way. As you know. 739 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, even though movies became very important to me 740 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: and loving movies, but before that, you asked somebody, I 741 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to be Humphrey Bogart. I didn't want to 742 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: be Carry Grant. I wanted to be Nameth. I wanted 743 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: to be uh, Jimmy Brown. I wanted to be uh, 744 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, United, And I wanted to be you. And 745 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: you know that the way that sports get into your 746 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: blood and get into your in terms of the excitement 747 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: watching a great NFL game, even with a team that's 748 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: not a great team. You know, any given Sunday, you 749 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: know they can rise up and they can beat that 750 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: other guy. All these NFL teams there's some parody there, 751 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: some have the upper hand. And watching you over these 752 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: years and watching your career from when I was very young, 753 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: you really are one of your You're probably one of 754 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: the three or four greatest sports figures in history. I mean, 755 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: you really are such an inspiration to people. How you 756 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: lived your life. You know, the Catholic boy from Cincinnati 757 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: who goes on to marry. We're married to the same woman, 758 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: five kids, Naval Academy, Heisman, two Super Bowls, the whole, 759 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: the company, the whole shebang. You've had such a great, 760 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: great life. I hope you're as content as people imagine 761 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: you would be with what you've done with your life. Well, 762 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: I thank you, Alec. It's I've been fortunate with the 763 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: people in my life, and UH still feel that way. 764 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: I got lot of a lot of great friends, and 765 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: you're sure appreciative of just being around. Dallas Cowboys quarterback 766 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: Roger Staubach. We're produced by Kathleen Russo, Carrie donohue, and 767 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: Zach McNeice. Our engineer is Frank Imperial. I'm Alec Baldwin. 768 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Is brought to you by my Heart Radio.