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Speaker 1: This is live cover each other one Steelers Minicamp by

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Speaker 1: from haines Field on your seven home for the Steelers

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Speaker 1: SNR Steelers National Radio. We are back. I'm Dale Ally

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson. We're taking it on home here

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Speaker 1: with the coverage from hines Field Steelers Mini Camp. But

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Speaker 1: been a great week. It's been a great week with

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Speaker 1: live shows all week. The weather was really cooperative and

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Speaker 1: early in the week, like I actually got to see

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Speaker 1: people playing football, you know, live in the same area,

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Speaker 1: not on TV or a screen or anything. Right We're

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Speaker 1: in the you know, in the press box. You could

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Speaker 1: get down in the stands and watch. It was great, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin spoke to the media today after wrapping things

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Speaker 1: up UH for the Steelers. They finished practicing around twelve

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Speaker 1: thirty today, UH sending them off for many for the

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Speaker 1: end of mini camp. But let's hear what Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: had to say after after practice today. This has been

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Speaker 1: the week of work for us, getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: areas all weeks and situation Ball really just putting a

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Speaker 1: putting the finishing touches on what's been a highly productive

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Speaker 1: off season for us. And now you know the real

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Speaker 1: work begins as we step away, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the thought that I left for players with, UM, we

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Speaker 1: have to come into training camp a highly conditioned group

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Speaker 1: ready for work. And I like overall trajectory of the

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Speaker 1: group we finished today with an emphasis on young guys.

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Speaker 1: Just really focusing on providing reps for those guys has

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Speaker 1: added opportunities to learn and detail and and gain understanding.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm excited about as we move away the

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Speaker 1: prospects of this group coming back to us and beginning

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Speaker 1: the training camp process here in a month or so.

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Speaker 1: Pause and open it up for questions. Shouldn't call me, Yeah, Mike.

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Speaker 1: There was some spirited punting competition and uh, the players

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Speaker 1: little rough on the rookie punter. No, No, that was

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Speaker 1: just uh, their way of encouraging UM. You know, we

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Speaker 1: know him and and and that's part of our approach

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Speaker 1: in terms of creating competition and having fun with it.

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Speaker 1: We want to create some adversity so guys have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to try. I was also gonna ask about the

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Speaker 1: spirited punting competition. But looking at the young guys as

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Speaker 1: a whole, do you feel like they got out of

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Speaker 1: this process what you needed them to. You know, we

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Speaker 1: we kind of measured these processes on performance, and so

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Speaker 1: it's stay tuned. Hopefully we're setting guys up and put

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Speaker 1: But I never really kind of measure or evaluate this

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Speaker 1: I do take good notes. I do like some of

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Speaker 1: the things that we're able to get done, but largely

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Speaker 1: I'll reserve any judgment until I look at the journey. Yeah, Micues,

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Speaker 1: Since we talked the other day, NFL came out with

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Speaker 1: the new COVID policy for training camp and beyond whatever.

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Speaker 1: You had a chance to see that, and what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on what camp thoughts? I have seen it.

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Speaker 1: I've actually read it in great detail. I really don't

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Speaker 1: have any thoughts. You know, thoughts are waste of time

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Speaker 1: for me. I'm gonna do like we've always done, and

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Speaker 1: to the letter, and our team is gonna have the

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Speaker 1: same mentality. We're not gonna allow to become a distraction

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Speaker 1: or a discussion. It simply is what it is, and UM,

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Speaker 1: it will deal with it might pursuit of like what's

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Speaker 1: your best case scenario for training camp in terms of

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Speaker 1: As you ask, UM, rest a sure regardless of where

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Speaker 1: and that shame though, Mike, do you have an expectation

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Speaker 1: all though. H Hi, Mike, non football question for you,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about UM? Dune teams becoming a

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Speaker 1: notifying details of discussion. That was Mike Tomlin with the

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Speaker 1: You heard a lot that there. The punning competition between

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Speaker 1: We're gonna kick this way the school post. You can

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Speaker 1: it a little more recently. Like a lot of Joe

427
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: Hayden's extension a couple of years ago was guarantee, was

428
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. Um, it's hard to avoid it. It is

429
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: hard to avoid it at this time. And you saw

430
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: it with Najia Harris's contract, his rookie contract fully guaranteed.

431
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: I guess that's slip past me. I didn't notice that, Okay.

432
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: So it's a little different that. You know, people say

433
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: that they won't change, they won't change with the times,

434
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: they won't do this. If you look at it, they

435
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: have Kirk Cousins is fully guaranteed You've seen a couple

436
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: of those fully guaranteed contract for Naja Harris. You traded

437
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: a future first round draft pick for making fit Patch

438
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: get You moved up ten spots the year before that

439
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: in the draft to go get Devon Bush. I mean

440
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: they've they've done some things that are outside that. No. No,

441
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: they're willing to adapt and change with the times absolutely

442
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: without question. Um. I do think they're smart organization and

443
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: they're not gonna They're not a a rash organization. They're

444
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: not gonna just oh, you know, we gotta do this

445
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: and overreact to things. You know. They're patient, and I

446
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: think it's one of the biggest strengths. And I think

447
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: sometimes a fan base misconstrues that is being stuck in

448
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: their ways. But teach isn't get paid and he's not

449
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Yeah, I don't think he's going anywhere at all.

450
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: And people need to realize too that even if they

451
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: don't come to a contract agreement before training camp or

452
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: even they'll have up until the start of the season

453
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: and then they'll they'll shut negotiations down once the season starts.

454
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: Once they get on the plane to Buffalo, that's it.

455
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: It's done. They've signed guys on the plane or at

456
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: the at the the airport before getting on the plane

457
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: for the there's a game. Yeah, deadlines get and it

458
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: is a deadline and people, you know, wonder you see

459
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: other teams signing guys too extensions in season. They don't

460
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: do it, and they don't do it. It's it goes

461
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: back to the early days of free agency. Um. And

462
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Rooney seeing how this played out, I

463
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: think it waste um. There were some guys, Adrian Cooper

464
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: being one of them, who was not happy that they

465
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: weren't talking contract extension with him while they were talking

466
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: contract extension with other guys. And then he came out

467
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the year and said that that

468
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: affected his play. Well, you don't want that, so you

469
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: just have a Yeah, we don't talk to anybody wants

470
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: to see it starts. We don't like you, We just

471
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: don't do it. We told you that the day you

472
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: signed your rookie deal. We can tell you that every year,

473
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and I mean there was a deadline. And again I

474
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: do think deadlines get deals done too. Absolutely that helps. Hey, guys,

475
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: if we don't get this done now, it's not gonna

476
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: get done until the end of the year takes off.

477
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: They're sign this thing, you know in the tar and

478
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: the tarmac or whatever, you know what I mean. So

479
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: I do think that's part of it. You can push

480
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: things a little bit quick fick. You know, it's not like, well,

481
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: we'll get together next week. What's this thing out? So

482
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: do you think there's logic behind announcing the contract when

483
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: the team's altogether, you know, like you think it's good

484
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: for morale when we're hopefully all at Latrobe And one

485
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: Tuesday in the dog days of summer, I remember when

486
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: the Steelers signed Lamar Woodley to his contract extension and

487
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: we're talking to Lamar. There were five or six was

488
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: talking to Lamar outside the cafeteria and a bunch of

489
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: different pretty happy. He was happy, and a bunch of

490
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: different players coming up and congratulating him. The news have

491
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: gotten out, you know how much you know what you

492
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: want to see, guys. I think it's good for the

493
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: locker room to do it. Hey, look, yeah, he got paid.

494
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's this is great. You know we can

495
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I if I do well, Yeah, if I do well,

496
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: I can get paid. And it's different if when everyone's

497
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: on vacation and you read about it, or they text

498
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Speaker 1: each other whatever. Great congratulations, t J deserved it. We're

499
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: love you. But if everyone's there, you make a big fuss.

500
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: You're taking us to dinner tonight, you know. Yeah, and

501
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: every you know, every like you said, I mean, every

502
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: every step he takes. I'm sure somebody's congratulate in them

503
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: and everybody knows. So I would kind of, I mean,

504
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: you might have it all hashed out already. I think

505
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: I would announce it once everybody was together. Yeah, you know,

506
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: I think there's some a little burnt boasted that. But

507
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: even if the Steelers can't get something done with what

508
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: before in the preseason, uh, they can't, they don't get

509
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: something done with what by year's end, by by the

510
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: time you know things come around, they can still franchise. Franchise.

511
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's not gonna be playing anywhere else

512
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: next year unless he has a disaster season. And even

513
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: even at that, you're still gonna want him back. I mean,

514
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: even if he's injured, still franchise and bring him back,

515
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean without question. So I don't know what the

516
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: franchise number is for edge rushers, seventeen for Bud this year,

517
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: and that's a bargain for this. I mean that's better

518
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: than absolutely that. That's like when when when the Rams

519
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: signed Aaron Donald when they franchised him, and like it

520
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: was it was an absolute bargain. Yeah, that's one of

521
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the problems with the franchise tag. If you're Jordan's Lebron

522
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: Lemieux and you're just getting the average of the top

523
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: five dudes, like, I'm way better than everybody. You know,

524
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's one the few that absolutely meets that criteria.

525
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: What's on far off? Well, let's talk about Okay, Um,

526
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: the top guys are Bosa, Mac Lawrence needs a top value.

527
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: This is uh perst season. Let's go average per season. Okay,

528
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: I think that's how they figured it out. So it's

529
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: it's BOSSA wait, I'm going over Mac. I think was first,

530
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Boss's tops at seven miles, Garrett is second

531
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: at twenty five, Khalil mack at, DeMarcus Lawrence at twenty one,

532
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams at twenty one, Frank Clark at so it's

533
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: probably like twenty two ish somewhere in that range. I mean,

534
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: where would you put t j Want in that pecking order?

535
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Of those guys, I think it's a coin flip between

536
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: him and Garrett. I think Khalil Max is still awesome,

537
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: but because of his agents, Mac is really the only

538
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: guy on that list who does something similar to what

539
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean. He's the only guy on the other guys

540
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: are all listed his defensive ends. Leonard Williams is nothing

541
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: like him. Leonard Williams is much much closer to Cam

542
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: or to it. So if you're the Steelers, are you

543
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: looking at that and going, Okay, Khalil Max an outside linebacker,

544
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: You're an outside linebacker, because this is what the argument

545
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that they had with Bud Dupree when they franchised him,

546
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: and he's franchised him, He's he's a He's an outside linebacker.

547
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: So the top outside linebacker in the league is getting five.

548
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Mac actually will drop into coverage. Miles Garrett's not Lawrence

549
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: is you know? Um, I don't know. If i'm the agent,

550
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's lovely, But you're paying me to

551
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: set the edge and rush the past, or if you

552
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: still choose to drop me into coverage a little more

553
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: than Lawrence or whoever, I'm glad to do it, but

554
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: don't buy any means think that, you know, I'm an

555
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: outside linebacker or like with four three Wante David, you

556
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: would think the guys who can drop in the coverage

557
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: would be a little bit more valuable. Well, remember this

558
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Guilden conversation we had to up a couple of years ago,

559
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, we were amongst the sack

560
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: leaders a lot of our edge guys, but we dropped

561
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: a time or thirty forgot the number. He said, there

562
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: don't have many pass rush opportunities. And if they're still

563
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: leading the league in sacks, well, you know, I think

564
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: if I'm the the agent, I come in and say,

565
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: sacks per pass rush, here's my numbers compared to the

566
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: rest of the league. He might be number one, he'd

567
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: probably number one, probably number one, probably better than number

568
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: one on that list. Led the league in sacks last years. Yeah,

569
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: he led the league in pressures by like fifteen you know.

570
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Or you know, I'm only played only rush the pass

571
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: or thirty times a game, but I'm still getting home

572
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: two of them or whatever. And I'm getting double teams

573
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: all the time and holding legal now and I get

574
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: help board. I asked him about I asked him about

575
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: that earlier in the week and I said, hey, did

576
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: you realize holding? These were down to full holding a

577
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: full penalty. You know, I'm just glad somebody else noticed it,

578
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: because I thought it was just me. You know, I said,

579
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: do you guys as as edge rushers as pass rushers,

580
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: do you need to get together, you know, petition the

581
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: league or something here? You know, hey, hey what about us?

582
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: It's bad because sacks were down across the board last year.

583
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he led to league with fifteen sacks. That

584
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: was the lowest total in a long time, without question.

585
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: And it's not because there aren't good pass rushers in

586
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: the league right now. That's a problem is too many

587
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: good ones. That's why holdings become legal to make it fair. Uh,

588
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: maybe I would change my tune if I was sitting

589
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: in Cleveland or Chicago right now. Mac Garrett, but I

590
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: got to think that nobody got held more than what

591
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw every snap at him. I did

592
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: not see every snap of the other guy, the only

593
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: guy who might be closest Aaron Donald guys, but yeah,

594
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, there were so many blatant ones

595
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: that the ref looks right at that are he's climbing

596
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: up off the ground like with his hands in the air,

597
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: going I just got tackled, at tackled or you know,

598
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't have the football and

599
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I just got tackled. That's supposed to be illegal often

600
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: and that's the league we're in. I mean, I don't

601
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: think it's gonna change dramatically. Unfortunately. Well last year was

602
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: the was the outlier. If you look at the stats drastically,

603
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's always been around two point five to

604
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: two point seven holding penalties per game. Last year it

605
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: dropped all the way down to one point seven. It's

606
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: a huge, per sense a huge sound like much And

607
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation. I mean, there's there's how many

608
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: games are there sixteen times sixteen? Now? Holding penalty different

609
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: per game is a drive killer. That's one less drives killer.

610
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: That's like one more interception per game, not exactly, I

611
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: mean's not apples apples. But if someone goes from I

612
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: don't know, your interception numbers go from sixteen to twenty

613
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: five or sixteen, all of a sudden, this guy is

614
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: terrible and you'll lose all these games. You know, it's

615
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: not much different. Yeah, it's probably one less score, it's

616
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: one less scoring opportunity, to be quite frank, I mean,

617
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: you're you know you're getting you're going. Yeah, you're going

618
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: from being in second and eight to the third and eighteen.

619
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: That's a huge difference. Not to mention on that second

620
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and eight where a flag should have come out, that

621
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: team might have scored a touchdown, right, you know what

622
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I had an extra second to throw corner,

623
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: couldn't keep up, and you know, let alone holds on

624
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: a running play, like you know he sealed the edge here,

625
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Well how did he do it while he tackled the

626
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: guy on the edge? And holes are nothing new. And

627
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, even when I was a kid, people would

628
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: tell you we could call a hold on every play

629
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: fair enough, But when the numbers go down by or

630
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it would be tough to be t J. Watt. Yeah,

631
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: that's no fun. I mean, when you you work, you

632
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: put in the offseason working, you know you're getting held

633
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: on every plane. You still average a sack per game, right,

634
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean it almost be like if we in basketball,

635
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: if they made the hole that you have to shoot

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Speaker 1: in a little smaller like hey, you know, but it's

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Speaker 1: but it's the same for the other guys, right right,

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Speaker 1: right right. The other team's cool with it. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: you're playing at a disadvantage for sure. And I'm sure, hey,

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Speaker 1: some Steeler offensive lineman benefited from it. To the special

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Speaker 1: about it. But I don't know what a holding penalty

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00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: is anymore. I think it's legal. I think by and large, yes,

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Speaker 1: unless that's the thing. It's either legal where it's not right, like,

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Speaker 1: you can't just randomly well that play is, it's okay,

645
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Speaker 1: but this one is not like when you an accident.

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Speaker 1: It had to somehow come from the league office. There's

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Speaker 1: not whether admitted or not, because it's too heavy of

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Speaker 1: a trend. Yeah, you know, not a doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 1: But DJ Wantt is going to get paybill Ce if

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Speaker 1: that gets done before the season starts this year. But

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Speaker 1: if not, um, they'll have time after the season and

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Speaker 1: they still have the franchise tag available to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a bad move, no, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: actually pretty cost effect actually, you know, it's actually cheaper

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Speaker 1: if if they you know, but they've got the cap

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Speaker 1: space school in the next year. But they also indeed,

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Speaker 1: but then Minka is a problem though, right, Minka doesn't

658
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Speaker 1: know his Minka's salary is already on the books for

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Speaker 1: that's seventy eight million dollars in cap space that they

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Speaker 1: have available going in the next season, already includes Minka's

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Speaker 1: fifty one of those guys under contract. What is not

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Speaker 1: so Yeah, it's not the not the huge deal that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think that, well, they got to

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Speaker 1: sign them both. They don't have to sign them both. No,

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Speaker 1: they don't. They don't know. They have time, they have

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Speaker 1: options and tags. Yeah, but we're gonna take another break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're also being

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Speaker 1: simulcast live on ESPN nine seventy. We'll be back to

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Speaker 1: finish up the show right after this. This is live

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Speaker 1: Cover each Other about one Steelers Minicamp live from haines

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Speaker 1: Field on your seven home for the Steelers s n R.

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. We're bringing up the sem of the camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're the clean up hitters on this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: and uh cleaning up and so let's let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the mini camp itself, Matt in the off season, I

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Speaker 1: know you didn't get to see a ton of practices.

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Speaker 1: I did. I think I saw every O t A

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Speaker 1: and every mini camp practice but two. Because we were

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Speaker 1: only allowed to have one person per outlet at each

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Speaker 1: O t A session, that opened up a little bit

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Speaker 1: from Mini camp. Uh, so I did. Let Chris Carter

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Speaker 1: from d K Pittsburgh Sports went to one in day on.

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Speaker 1: Kavakovik went to another one that I didn't go to,

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Speaker 1: just to give them an opportunity to get down and

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Speaker 1: see some of these guys look like. So I saw

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Speaker 1: a lot um what uh what perception? Maybe did you

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Speaker 1: go in out of let's say post draft, Um that

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Speaker 1: you've now gotten an opportunity to see some of these guys,

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Speaker 1: see what things look like on the hoof, Um just

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Speaker 1: get changed. Yeah, you know, post draft we think we know,

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Speaker 1: but we don't really know, you know, and even the

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Speaker 1: players you've watched them on tape. We did eight thousand

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Speaker 1: mock drafts leading up to the draft, and often with

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Speaker 1: Harris as the Steeler's first round pick and Green somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the equation. Yeah, right, exactly, you know, I mean center,

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Speaker 1: and you know tackles are off. You know, we're we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be Steelers. Didn't know which ones, things like that,

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Speaker 1: But I gotta admit, I mean I said this the

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Speaker 1: first day, the day I the second I sat down,

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Speaker 1: I put my binoculars to see nausey, you know, and say,

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Speaker 1: does he look like I think he did? You know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a lot closer. It's today, it's not

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Speaker 1: tape from the National Championship Game or whatever. UM, A

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Speaker 1: lot of things I can't bring up. I think that

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Speaker 1: we've been pretty much dead on in our speculation. There

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Speaker 1: was a surprise or two with some personnel usage and

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Speaker 1: some formations and things that I was all to say.

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Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised, you know that I didn't know

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Speaker 1: if we'd see that or not. Um, I was up

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Speaker 1: in the press box. But it sure seemed like spirits

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Speaker 1: and energy were very, very high, you know, and the

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Speaker 1: day was wonderful. It wasn't pooring and overcast. I probably

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Speaker 1: made it a little easier, But I would think, if

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Speaker 1: you're a player and you're you're in just for this

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Speaker 1: short amount of time, it's a great little digestible way

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Speaker 1: to learn a couple of important things and I've said

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Speaker 1: this all week and every outlet I've been on. It

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Speaker 1: blows me away that some teams canceled them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans didn't think they needed this, you know. I

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Speaker 1: mean like, there's a lot to gain from this. I

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00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: don't understand even taken one day off. It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Um made Jo owner who's follows us both on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: tweeted at ust uh but from a big man on

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Speaker 1: campus from Sports Info s I s um that they

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Speaker 1: put together most and least valuable skills by s I

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Speaker 1: s U Sports Information Sports Information Solutions. This is their

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Speaker 1: wins against replacement. The highest average wins against replacement is

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, your number one quarterback throwing the football, number two,

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Speaker 1: number two, yeah, obviously number two. Most of valuable is

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Speaker 1: the running back running the football. Yeah, your starter is

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Speaker 1: that much better than your backup running? Thing to me,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the tweet and I looked at it before,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought it up. I would like

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Speaker 1: to delve more into this and how did they come

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Speaker 1: up with this because people that do the same things

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Speaker 1: as s I S Will always tell you running backs

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Speaker 1: don't matter. Throw them all in there. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: You can find running backs anywhere, right right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: one one thing I noticed too, this is a little

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Speaker 1: bit off topic, but I wanted to bring it up,

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Speaker 1: was this is kind of a fantasy nugget that it's

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Speaker 1: a Pro Football Focus thing. But the top five ranked

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Speaker 1: offensive lines and Pro Football Focus produced four of the

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Speaker 1: highest scoring fantasy rushers. The bottom five lines produced four

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Speaker 1: of the most highly productive rushers. The Dolin Cooks of

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Speaker 1: the world like running backs. I mean to me, that

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Speaker 1: tells me running back to matter. That's you. Minnesota has

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Speaker 1: been my number one. Yeah, you reference them a lot.

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Speaker 1: Reference when people say that, well the Steelers aren't gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to run the ball, they don't upgrade their

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Speaker 1: offensive line. No a great running back. It was a

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Speaker 1: long way. Let's tabou Minnesota for a second, because first

755
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Speaker 1: of all, their first pick was Christian Rrisaw. They come

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Speaker 1: back two rounds later and take Davis the guard out

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Speaker 1: of Ohio State. I bet both start as rookies. Um,

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Speaker 1: their line was a problem, but if you really study

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, I'm big on yards for play. Their offense

760
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: was at the top of the league and yards for

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Speaker 1: play last year. Their defense was at the bottom. There

762
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: wasn't a team in the league that had a bigger discrepancy.

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00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: They were like the top three in the bottom three

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Speaker 1: on defense. Yet they still address the offensive line and

765
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: could even get better. I mean again, it just shows

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Speaker 1: me to me that Cook was a driving force on

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Speaker 1: that line and it wasn't like they have Patty Mahomes

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Speaker 1: with all effect to Kirkusin is a good player, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like quarterback with Superman and just elevated them

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Speaker 1: to this amazing you know, yards per play situation. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing about it, you know, Cook missed

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Speaker 1: a couple of games last year and Alexander Madison had

773
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Speaker 1: to step in and play instead, who isn't bad. He's

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Speaker 1: not a bad running running back, but he's not Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: And we saw that when they didn't have Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: Madison average like one point eight yards to carry behind

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Speaker 1: that same offensive line. To me, that's a great example

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Speaker 1: of a replacement level back, which doesn't mean he's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just The Steelers could have used Alexander

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Speaker 1: Madison last year, it'd have been youthful or the year before,

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Speaker 1: but verse a star. I mean, it's night and Day

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Speaker 1: and I think and I believe you're on the same

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Speaker 1: wavelength here, Naja Harris is going to be a star. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think so too, And the Steelers think so. Yeah.

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00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean they took him as a first back off

786
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Speaker 1: the board. It wasn't like there was a run and

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00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: they had to grab them, you know, I mean they

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00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: chose to start the run. Um, they told you everything

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Speaker 1: they need to know what they think of him as

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Speaker 1: a prospect. Ten years ago, he go is in the

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Speaker 1: top ten. Yeah, oh yeah, maybe even earlier, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe recently I'm saying, right, I mean, like four net

793
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Speaker 1: was a top five pick. I mean, he's better than

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Speaker 1: four net and he was a better prospect than four

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Speaker 1: especially as a receiver. Yeah yeah, I think you probably

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00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: if that class comes out ten years ago, there's two

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Speaker 1: or three backs, definitely in the first round, probably three

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Speaker 1: still and Sermons a second rounder. Harris goes in the

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Speaker 1: top twelve, ten something like that, right, yeah, without question?

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Speaker 1: Even more, I mean more so. I mean the year

801
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Speaker 1: that I was with the Browns, there was Cadillac, Cedric

802
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: Benson and Ronnie Brown and that wasn't that uncommon back then,

803
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: right right, Um, you know, great backs make a great offense.

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Speaker 1: There's an awful lot of them in the Hall of

805
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Fame too, Yeah yeah, including a few from here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think, you know, Steeler fras are

807
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Speaker 1: gonna be really, I don't want to say pleasantly surprised,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're hyping it up. I think a

809
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of po or hyping it up. Um. I just

810
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people always craft to be

811
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Speaker 1: you know what, and really, you know, folks, there's not

812
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: much difference between pick There's no In fact, there's there's

813
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Speaker 1: less different There's less difference between pick twenty four and

814
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Speaker 1: forty than there is between pick twenty four and pick

815
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Speaker 1: five or even ten or twelve. Yeah, that's a huge

816
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: there's that's that's a Terrell Edmonds conversation. Yet you know,

817
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, maybe he shouldn't be one of the

818
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: top thirty two players on Mel's board or DJ's board

819
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, but he ain't much different than the fiftie guy,

820
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, just because he happens to go in round one.

821
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Speaker 1: I always used the Frederick's the center from Dallas's arguent,

822
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Speaker 1: Harvis Frederick, they killed Dallas. You can't use the first

823
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Speaker 1: round pick on the center. I think it was the

824
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Speaker 1: thirty first pick in the draft. If they were taking

825
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Speaker 1: him three picks later, they traded that right so and

826
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Speaker 1: if as would trade down, they would not have gotten Harris, No,

827
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Speaker 1: they would not have. They had to make that. They

828
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: had to make the fingers cross. He got there, ran

829
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Speaker 1: to the podium, and took no time to do it. Um.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of the other things that I saw

831
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Speaker 1: down there, I think this. I think the secondary depth

832
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be intriguing, is intriguing. I think it's better

833
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: than what what the national perception is. I think they

834
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Speaker 1: like it better than the national perception. I'll just leave it.

835
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Speaker 1: The same thing with their offensive line depth, Yes, agreed. Um,

836
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Speaker 1: the kid they picked up from the guy they picked

837
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: up from the Powers, Like, he can play, you know

838
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: what I mean, He's not just a throwaway guy. He's

839
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna be in the mix if there's injuries. You know,

840
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: they're really good at guard. But I mean we were

841
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: talking about this too, Like, I think they have ten

842
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: offensive linemen that are probably NFL players, and I'm not

843
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: even sure I'm including Hawks on that list. What they

844
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: don't have was what which is what they had before

845
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: is maybe some of the star power there, but they've

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Speaker 1: got better depth than I think a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: around the league. Um. Yeah, maybe it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it's unproven, but their NFL players. Yeah yeah, And we

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Speaker 1: had this conversation. There's other camps around the league. They're

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Speaker 1: getting done with mini camp and they're going, we got

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Speaker 1: we got six we got four NFL Offensive Alignment or

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Speaker 1: six or I think they have guys that won't embarrass themself.

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Speaker 1: They might not be John Hannah or Anthos, but again,

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Speaker 1: this is key for preseason. You know, we're we had

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Speaker 1: a good conversation yesterday about you trot out a bad

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Speaker 1: offensive line in the second quarter of Game two in

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Speaker 1: the preseason. You're not getting any scouting analysis done. You're

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Speaker 1: not Yeah, you're not looking at Dwayne Haskins. A boy,

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Speaker 1: he looked really bad today. Won't he didn't have any

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00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: time to throw right? You know? I mean that's really

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Speaker 1: a GMS job. Is you better go to camp with

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Speaker 1: two full lines that you can run place with. If

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Speaker 1: I can't run a play, then I'm not learning the

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Speaker 1: thing right, trying to get out of this game without

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Speaker 1: getting hurt. Yeah, let alone that, Um, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: so that. I think that is better than than I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people think. Um, the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: depth is what is what we thought it was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think they're top guys, are top guys, are strong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I expect Claypool to be a better player this year

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, Um, Friarmouth to me looks like a guy

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Speaker 1: who could contribute this year. I think so too. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not gonna talk about his usage, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the mix. Yea heavily, Definitely heavily

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Speaker 1: and heavily. I think. You know, if I had to

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Speaker 1: set an over under right now on snaps heat plays

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Speaker 1: this year, and I was just gonna say, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we're in the same neighborhood, it depends on offensive snaps

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Speaker 1: they play. Um, they were very low in twelve personnel

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Speaker 1: usage last year and when and one of them is Ebron.

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Speaker 1: You know, like you're talking about why is the running

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Speaker 1: game not so good? One of the reasons is you

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Speaker 1: don't have a blocker out there. You're playing with five

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Speaker 1: blockers and you're handing the ball to one guy quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: not blocking anyone. Hebron and three receivers or maybe collectively

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Speaker 1: blocking one guy or two guys. I mean, just do

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Speaker 1: the math. Yeah, I mean, it's that's what it comes

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Speaker 1: down to. Becomes a simple issue here. And I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans, a lot of Steeler fans aren't

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Speaker 1: happy with Eric Hebron asked him to do those things. No,

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Speaker 1: don't ask him to do things right. But if you

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Speaker 1: ask him on on third and five to get you

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Speaker 1: six yards okay, that's you know, and he doesn't get it,

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Speaker 1: then get mad at him. But don't get mad at

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Speaker 1: him because you say, hey, go go go see the

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Speaker 1: edge on Chase Young here, and he doesn't happen. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And some of it's because the guys below

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Speaker 1: him on the tight and death chart just weren't nearly

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Speaker 1: as good as him, So why would I take the

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Speaker 1: better guy off? But think about if you're in twelve

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Speaker 1: personnel with Harris Ebron, Friar Muth and pick two receivers.

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Speaker 1: If you get base there, you're gonna be really happy

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Speaker 1: that Hebron's on the field because he's gonna be exploiting

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Speaker 1: a big, heavy, strong safety or a bigger, bigger, heavier

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Speaker 1: linebacker and you still can run out of that formation

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Speaker 1: pretty well. So this gives him a lot more options.

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Speaker 1: They have options, a lot of options. They have a

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Speaker 1: lot of options offensively and defensively. Um, I'm not quite

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Speaker 1: so sure that they don't have good inside linebacker depth. No,

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Speaker 1: just to take one cook step back. The more I've

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Speaker 1: looked at it, the more the first four picks the

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Speaker 1: offensive group, I'm very excited about. Where before I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, you and I like Green, we liked Harris,

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Speaker 1: you know, we never really mentioned Friar move the ton

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Speaker 1: going up to the draft. But when you see the

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Speaker 1: puzzle come together, it's prettier than four puzzle pieces. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a pretty when all four of them is

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Speaker 1: a lovely portrait. You know. Yeah, absolutely so I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to see how this all comes together at training camp.

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Speaker 1: But that is going to do it for our mini

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Speaker 1: camp coverage. We appreciate you listening here on ESPN nine

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Speaker 1: seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. Will be coming back at

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Speaker 1: you next week with more on Steelers Nation Radio. You

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Speaker 1: can always hear us there. But that's gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: For Matt Williamson, for Jacob Breck here in sight, keeping

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Speaker 1: us on the air, I'm Dale Lally, we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation

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