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Speaker 1: going to check out your voicemails, your texts, dms and emails.

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Speaker 1: So come on, everybody, let's party. Lists. Lists. The lists

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Speaker 1: are out there, They're always out there. The best watch

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Speaker 1: We love a good list. I love to argue with

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Speaker 1: twenty first century. Thus should be added into the list title,

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Speaker 1: So here we are, right, We're at twenty twenty five, which,

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Speaker 1: the movie Tar by Todd Field, another movie with another

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Speaker 1: my spiel. It's time to rock and roll hutuku with

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Speaker 1: my guy Jake Brennan. What is up, dude.

449
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Speaker 2: I'm back, baby, I'm back at a quick little vacation

450
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Speaker 2: five nights out in Montana. It was incredible. You know

451
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Speaker 2: what I learned about Montana?

452
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Speaker 1: Do they are their mental tycoons out there? Dental floss tycoons,

453
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: not metaplas.

454
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the reference. What's that reference from.

455
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Speaker 1: It's the great Frank Zappas on Montana, which I hoped

456
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Speaker 1: you had your kids listen to when you guys headed

457
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Speaker 1: out there.

458
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Speaker 2: I've never heard that song. I need to listen to

459
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Speaker 2: that song. I'm not the biggest Appa.

460
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Speaker 1: It's about farming dental floss in Montana. It's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's genius. No, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, just Frank Zappa side incredible part of the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful there.

464
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Speaker 2: Driven through it before but never never spend any time there,

465
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Speaker 2: and just incredible. And I learned there's there's basically like

466
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Speaker 2: zero humidity in Montana really yeah, and it gets super cold.

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Speaker 2: It's like Alaska weather. They're pretty much it's like Canada,

468
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Speaker 2: whether I should say, and it gets to be like

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Speaker 2: I mean, the weather we have was gorgeous because it's summertime,

470
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Speaker 2: but it gets cold at night in the summer. And

471
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Speaker 2: they were telling me in the winter it gets to

472
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Speaker 2: like negative fifty, negative sixty, I think negative eighty. Yeah. Wow.

473
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Speaker 2: And this one guy was telling me, He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it can be fifteen degrees here, and

475
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Speaker 2: he's like, I can walk to my mailbox and my

476
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Speaker 2: t shirt and it's fine. It's not like being back

477
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Speaker 2: east where there because the humidity acts as like this

478
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Speaker 2: this battery for whatever the heat is or whatever the

479
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Speaker 2: cold is, and it makes it more intense. So when

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Speaker 2: there's no humidity that you know, fifteen degrees feels like

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Speaker 2: what it would feel like to be forty or fifty

482
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Speaker 2: here or something. I don't know. Just fascinating. That's my

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Speaker 2: weather update here from Montana.

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Speaker 1: I went to Montana like twenty something years ago. It's

485
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Speaker 1: like the late nineties, and it literally felt like someone

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Speaker 1: had taken the horizon and like pulled it down. Did

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Speaker 1: you feel that at all, Like the whole big sky thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's true, Like it literally looks like the

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Speaker 1: horizon's been shifted down and like seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing a sky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely true. We were in big Sky,

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Speaker 2: that's what we were staying. And just a tiny little

493
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Speaker 2: town too. I thought it was going to be bigger.

494
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Speaker 2: I'm glad it wasn't as developed. I saw Cracker when

495
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Speaker 2: I was out there, which was fantastic. The ban Yeah

496
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: swear they're they're playing like this free concert in the park.

497
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Speaker 1: No way, They're great. They're great. They brought it.

498
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Speaker 2: It was awesome. So yeah, it was a really good

499
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Speaker 2: time and just a beautiful part of the country. Great people.

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Speaker 2: They were so nice. Everybody was so so, so nice.

501
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Speaker 2: But a lot of transience. Everyone introduces himself like, hey man,

502
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Speaker 2: I'm Joel, I from Texas. This is This is Sally.

503
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Speaker 2: She's from Kentucky. You know what I mean. It's totally

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Can see that as being like a place where people

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Speaker 1: wander to, for sure, Cracker or camper Van Beethoven, Where

507
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Speaker 1: do you fall down?

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Speaker 2: Cracker? But only because I don't really know camper Van Beethoven. Cool,

509
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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have much of a history, what

510
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Speaker 2: about you.

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Speaker 1: Camper's Their last album is called Key Lime Pie. It's

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Speaker 1: one of those records that I was obsessed with in

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Speaker 1: high school and it's never left me. So that's a big,

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Speaker 1: like desra Island kind.

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Speaker 2: Of disc for me. Love that, all right, I gotta

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Speaker 2: check that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cool. Well, you know here it's been we're

518
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Speaker 1: just you know, holding the fourth down here doing well,

519
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: talking with the people out in Hollywood Land. And to

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Speaker 1: that end, we've got some texts and some emails here

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Speaker 1: from people.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 1: I want to start out with this text from Lisa

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Speaker 1: in the three to two. Lisa writes in David Patrick

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Speaker 1: Kelly of the Warriors and Twin Peaks needs to be

526
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Speaker 1: on Hollywood Land. MM put a pin in that for

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Speaker 1: one second. Jane Mansfield's daughter, I didn't realize that she's

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Speaker 1: She's on lawn Order. Yeah, Marishka, Marishka, Hargute, Hagarte. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I'm butchering names again, as I always do. She made

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Speaker 1: this documentary on HBO Max called My Mom Jane. You

531
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Speaker 1: should watch it. Nothing is shown about the Church of Satan,

532
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Speaker 1: and she signs off Lisa in Newark, Delaware. First of all,

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Speaker 1: this this thing about no Church of Satan in the

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Speaker 1: Mansfield doc I mean not surprising.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I totally get it. It's her daughter making

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Speaker 2: a film about her mom. She doesn't want that in there.

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00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: I totally understand. It just so happens to be one

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Speaker 2: of the most fascinating parts of her mom's history. There's

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Speaker 2: a big article on this in New York Times magazine

540
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: from a couple of days ago on the whitewashing. Was

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Speaker 2: it was. It was a reference more to music biopics

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00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: on sort of the whitewashing of these histories, and it just,

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00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: you know, it struck me like a like a thunderbolt.

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00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: It's like, this is exactly what we do here. I

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00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: can't be critical though, of Jane Mansfield's daughter, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't say that I wouldn't do something

547
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: similar if it was my parents. So I get it.

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00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: But on the same token, I have no interest in

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: watching that that documentary. But yeah, I was fascinated to

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Speaker 2: learn that that the I think It's Long Order SVU

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Speaker 2: actress was Jane Mansfield's daughter.

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Speaker 1: I had no clue until I was looking her up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope that doc's good. I haven't checked it out.

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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: What was the other thing that they so.

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00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: David Patrick Kelly, who's he's the guy in the Warriors

556
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Speaker 1: who has the classic line the Warriors come out to play,

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00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he's one of these actors that's just

558
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: been in a ton of stuff, just a character actor

559
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: throughout the decades. I don't know. I did some quick

560
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: googling and maybe Lisa you can like hip us to this.

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00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what the true crime connection is here

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00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: with David Patrick Kelly. Maybe there's some kind of funky

563
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: story here in his background that I don't know about.

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00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: But if you know about it, please get back to

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00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: us and let us know. Also on Jane Mansfield, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, our episode last week was on Jane Mansfield,

567
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Speaker 1: hence the Jane Mansfield communications here over in Patreon, which

568
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: you can have access to again if you're a member

569
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Speaker 1: of All Access, we had a comment from the member

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Speaker 1: John Hill, who wrote one of the best episodes yet.

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Speaker 1: For me, at least, I didn't know she went that

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Speaker 1: deep with the Church of Satan. I'd heard she just

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Speaker 1: sort of flirted with it. I'm sure I saw a

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Speaker 1: photo years ago with Anton Levey, Jane Mansfield, and Sammy

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Speaker 1: Davis Junior. A friend of mine said he was part

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Speaker 1: of it too. Didn't believe it at the time, but

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Speaker 1: now I'm going to search that up for now. Awesome

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Speaker 1: as ever, Jake.

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Speaker 2: It's like I said, it's the most fascinating part of

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Speaker 2: her history to me, so much so that we haven't

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Speaker 2: yet mentioned the fact the way she died, the way

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Speaker 2: it's been known and covered throughout history is actually incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Mama cast thing going on, and I feel like that

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00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: that would be sort of the headline here, but the

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Speaker 2: headline is instead this affiliation with the Church State.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I talked about last week at the

587
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Speaker 1: top of the show, was getting into this subject thinking

588
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: it was a it was a story about her death,

589
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: and yet it was so the other story about the

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Speaker 1: Church of State and how it informed the story about

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Speaker 1: her death. It's just it's it's wild, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the one of the most interesting stories

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Speaker 2: from Hollywood Land. And as far as icons go, you can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jane Mansfield is the definition, even though she

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Speaker 2: wasn't Merrill Monroe, even though she's sort of the other

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Speaker 2: guy's Merril Monroe, She's still Jane Mansweth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. We've got some listeners here who are

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Speaker 1: still giving us their favorite soundtracks, which I love, man,

599
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I love me a good soundtrack. Someone texts in from

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Speaker 1: the three oh four. My soundtrack taste normally run to

601
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Speaker 1: pulp fiction, Days and Confused or Forrest Gump. However, the

602
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 1: Judgment Nights soundtrack is a killer. I don't think there

603
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: is a harder soundtrack now. I I listed out all

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Speaker 1: the combos here of who's on this Famously, these are

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Speaker 1: bands mostly like louder bands, with the exception of a

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Speaker 1: couple paired with hip hop artists.

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't know any of the combinations, but I

608
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Speaker 2: can probably mention every band on this soundtrack, but I

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Speaker 2: can't put them together. So I'm just gonna word salad

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00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: them real quick and then you'll let us know what

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Speaker 2: they actually are. So Helmet, House of Pain, Dell, the

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Speaker 2: Funky Homo, Sapient Dinosaur, Junior, Damn man, that's all I got.

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Speaker 2: What do you got? Let me know what they are?

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Speaker 1: So those are both, those are both on there, and

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Speaker 1: those are correct combinations. They are they are yes, wow,

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Speaker 1: okay cool? And then in addition to that, you've got

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Speaker 1: Teenage Fan Club and day La Soul. Oh yeah, Living

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Speaker 1: Color and run DMC, yeah, Biohazard and Onyx.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Slayer and Iced Tea, Faith No More and Tribe.

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Speaker 2: Member Tribe they were like they were the Samoans.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Sonic Youth and Spress Hill that's right,

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Speaker 1: mud Honey and Sir Mix a Lot, Therapy with a

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Speaker 1: question Mark and Joe Fatal Joe Fittal. I don't know that.

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00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know Joe who is Joe Fatal.

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00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've seen Therapy though multiple times.

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00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And then the final one, your favorite Pearl Jam and

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Speaker 1: Cypress Hill.

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Speaker 2: Cypricila has two slots, Sonic Youth and Pearl Jam.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, you know.

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Speaker 2: Sonic Youth kind of did this originally with cool Thing

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Speaker 2: in Chuck d without without you know, doing the whole

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Speaker 2: sort of soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: Is that before Bring the Pain with Anthrax and Public Enemy.

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Speaker 2: No, no, that was the first one, right, Bring the Noise,

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah, of course, feel the pain.

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00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I get it, so, yes, it's all pain, It's

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00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: all noise.

639
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Speaker 2: Dude. You know, did you know that the Sonic Youth

640
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: Chuck d thing that was They wrote that for l

641
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Cool j oh no way. Yeah. And if you listen

642
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: to Kim Dial's part the response to Chuck, so Elle

643
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it for whatever reason. And if

644
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: you listen to her the response and you imagine ll

645
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: in that role, it makes a lot more sense. Interesting.

646
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: It's vaguely sexual, and you know, ladies love cool James.

647
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: He gives us that that sex vibe, and I think

648
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: they got Chuck and they just are like, your Chuck

649
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: do whatever you do, You're Chuck Tea. It still works.

650
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

651
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: It is less less incredible is uh KRS one and

652
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: r E M. I gotta say that's one of my

653
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: least favorite. Oh I love it, the great radio song

654
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: from from Out of Time.

655
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it. I

656
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: feel like that was supposed to be someone else too,

657
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: but I don't Maybe maybe I'm confusing it, or maybe

658
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm conflating the two. I don't know, but I don't

659
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: hate that man. People hate hate on that record. Oh,

660
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: I love that's I love that record. I just don't

661
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: like that song. Yeah, people hate shiny happy people. I

662
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: love shiny.

663
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: I love shiny, happy people. I'll stand up for that

664
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: all day long. Just not radio song. That's just me.

665
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Out of time. It's just it's such a part of

666
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: my high school history. If they made a like, you know,

667
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: if they made like a teen comedy about my high school,

668
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: that would be like, that'd be all over the soundtrack.

669
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: That's a good question. What's your teen comedy high school soundtrack?

670
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: You know, personalized. Everyone's got something different. But I am

671
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: that same summer I believe was the second Black Crows record,

672
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: or that same spring those records came.

673
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Out, Oh yeah, ninety two, ninety three.

674
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: Something like that, ninety one one, maybe ninety two, maybe

675
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: ninety two.

676
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Black Crows tonight. By the way, speaking of

677
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: no way, yeah way, damn yeah, jealous, I'm taking I'm

678
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: taking the boy, my my budding rockstar. We're gonna go

679
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: see them.

680
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: I love that.

681
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: Good for you, Okay over to the five O three

682
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: sends us in a text, and it's very short and

683
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: very sweet. It just says haven't seen Midnight Express and

684
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: then there's like an emoji that's basically like the fuck dude, right,

685
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I know, I know I was going to get into this.

686
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what are some like blind spots

687
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: that you have in movie history, Things that big movies

688
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: that you've never seen. They don't have to be big movies,

689
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: but just movies that people talk about and you're like, nah, man,

690
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 1: I've never seen that.

691
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: That's a big one. There's a ton from the from

692
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: the late nineties, because that was sort of like my

693
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: wife was in high school then or at grade school then,

694
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: and I was in a van touring around and not

695
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: paying attention to culture besides the hardcore scene. So there's

696
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: all these blind spots, like you know, we watched Happy

697
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: Gilmore Too last night because the kids wanted to watch it,

698
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: and so good. Yeah, I thought it was really good.

699
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was really good. I hated those movies

700
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: growing up though, because there was that era for me

701
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: where I was just like, fuck the Main Street, you

702
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: know whatever that bullshit is. But man, I didn't see

703
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a bunch of the Sandler movies I've

704
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: never seen. We talked about Little Niki. I think last

705
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: week I had the wiki. Yeah, yeah, I don't know

706
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: what about you? What are some of yours?

707
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about Old Joy last week and

708
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: after we talked about that Matt Matt Boden approduction guy.

709
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: He hit me up and he was like, dude, you

710
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: should really watch that. You'd really like it. It made me

711
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: realize that's directed by Kelly Reichhardt. And I've never seen

712
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: any of her movies First cow Meeks, cut Off, Wendy

713
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: and Lucy. She's a movie these not big movie, but

714
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: she's but she's like a major independent filmmaker of the

715
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: last whatever.

716
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: Major independent filmmaker of the last whatever. Has there ever

717
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: been a fucking nerdier indie snob film comment ever?

718
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: Who?

719
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: Kelly Who?

720
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: Kelly Kelly right?

721
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: Of course, Boen texted me too. He's seen every movie.

722
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Of course he has. You get some.

723
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: It's like anytime I mentioned like some obscure jazz guy

724
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: on the after party, I get like seventeen texts from

725
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: Matt you don't know this dude, which I love because

726
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: then it put sends me down a rabbit hole. Don't stop, Matt,

727
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: don't stop, we kid because we love it.

728
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm not up on the ship, then Matt's

729
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: gonna give me shit and be like, well you haven't

730
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: seen this. It's incredible, So I gotta be on this ship.

731
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: Man, you gotta come at this answer with like you

732
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: haven't seen termin you know what I mean? Which I

733
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: haven't seen Terminator there there it is. I haven't seen

734
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: Terminator one or two. Wow. Uh yeah, rambo, rambo. I've

735
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: never seen Start to Finish. I never saw it. Wasn't

736
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: interested when it came out.

737
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: I've seen Rainbow start to Finish either.

738
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: Fuck man, now when I see it, when I see clips,

739
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, this looks so fucking badass. I'm not watching.

740
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: I'm not just jumping in. I'm saving this and I

741
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: never remember to watch it. But that's that's another big

742
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: one I haven't seen. Yeah, So the action ones and

743
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: the kind of dumb comedy ones are I guess the

744
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: blind spots.

745
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: For me, like big like like shit like on Golden Pond,

746
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: or terms of endearment like these huge like rom com

747
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: like uh, skewing older like you know what I mean?

748
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: Like I just don't. I don't have any time for this.

749
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, dude, make time, because on Golden Pond is incredible.

750
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: It's incredible, okay. Uh. And then again, I haven't seen

751
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: it probably since I was a kid, but I remember

752
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: it was like one of those one of those things

753
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: my literally my grandparents were watching and I got like

754
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: sucked into it, and I was like, this is amazing.

755
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Well, let me get through all my Kelly Rykhart movies

756
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and then I'll put that on.

757
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Jane Fond is so hot, and on Golden

758
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: Ponda it's like older Jane Fonda as well. All right,

759
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess now is older Jane Fonda, but

760
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: sure that's a little kid that was too. Yeah. Yeah.

761
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: What about everybody else out there? Do you have any

762
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: major blind spots, things you haven't seen. I have this,

763
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: uh sidebar, I have this. I think I hearded this

764
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: from my dad. I have this aversion to seeing things

765
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: that everyone else is seeing, Like everyone's talking about something

766
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: that makes me not want to and then I'll I'll

767
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: finally see it, but it'll be like ten years later.

768
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else has that.

769
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: You may have had that, you don't have that anymore.

770
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw Sinners and you're psyched to it.

771
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: Now you have kids, kids erasist that that attitude. You know,

772
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: I know you, I know you see you see shit

773
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: that people watch all the time. Now, even if you

774
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: have an aversion to it.

775
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I do.

776
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well you just said you didn't, so I

777
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: just you know, there's still a case.

778
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: There's still a case. There's sill, a time and a

779
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: place for that kind of thing. You're just contradicting everything

780
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying today.

781
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: It makes for good talk. We just think read on

782
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: everything it'd be boring.

783
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: So anyways, I want to hear from all. From all you,

784
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: let me know what your blind spots are. Call or

785
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: text us at six one seven nine oh six sixty

786
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: six three eight, Email us at Disgrace Lampod at gmail

787
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: dot com. You can hit us up on Instagram, Facebook,

788
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: x at Disgrace Lampod send us your blind spots, your recommendations, whatever.

789
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: We've got recommendations for you, me and Jake, and we'll

790
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: get into those right after this break. All right, everybody,

791
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: welcome back to the rap parties. Zeth Lundy here with

792
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Jake Brennan coming at you now with the part of

793
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: the rap party. We call for your consideration. This is

794
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: where Jake and I give you music and movie recommendations.

795
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: But the twist is that they are all recommendations inspired

796
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: by the subject. From our full episode of Hollywood Land

797
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: this week, So with that said, Jake, what music recks

798
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: do you have inspired by Robert Downey Junior.

799
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to recommend the Robert Downey Junior

800
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: solo jazz piano album, although is that a joke? No,

801
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: it's not a joke.

802
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I've heard some of it, and you made a jazz album.

803
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some of it, and it was one

804
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: of those things where my reaction was, fuck you dude,

805
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: how talented? How fucking talented are you? You know what

806
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: I mean? It was like I couldn't even deal with it.

807
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: I just put it up on a shelf with the

808
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: figurative shelf, was like, I'll get to this at some point.

809
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: There's still like stone songs I haven't heard. I don't

810
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: have time for Robert Downey Jr. But it was remarkably

811
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: good for a guy who it's like his second thing,

812
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I seem to remember

813
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: in Two Girls and a Guy he's playing piano and

814
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: singing and that at some point just kind of improvising,

815
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: but I am. Of course, this is the obvious pick

816
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: for Robert Junior. Music reference is the Lesson Zero soundtrack,

817
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: But it's so good and I can't not talk about it.

818
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: I loved it when it came out. The single I

819
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: don't know if it was a single, but it was

820
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: the one that got all the attention was the Bengals

821
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: version of Hazy Shade of Winter, the semi graph vocal song,

822
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: which is by far better than the original. That's the

823
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: poster girl song for cover that's better than the original

824
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: is Hazy Shade of Winter.

825
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

826
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: The reactions as a little kid hearing that was like,

827
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: what the fuck is this? And then you're like, oh

828
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: my god, it's a cover. I can't wait to hear

829
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: the cover. And then you go listen to the cover,

830
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: You're like, this is not the droid I was looking

831
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: for at all at all. But that soundtrack is great.

832
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: Rick Rubin. Really, if we didn't know Rick Rumin was

833
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: a genius before that soundtrack, we definitely did. After the

834
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: cult run dmc slayer doing an Iron Butterfly cover is Elvis?

835
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: No Elvis.

836
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: Song titled the inspiration for the name of the book,

837
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: do you know?

838
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah? Probably. I saw Breddy Stonelli's interview like last week.

839
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: It was fantastic and he was talking about how when

840
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: he wrote that book or when he was I think.

841
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: I think what he was doing was he was at

842
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Middlebury or wherever he went to school, and he was

843
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: he was writing what would become the book, and he

844
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: was writing about how you're going to relate to this

845
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: so hard. He was writing about how uh in the book,

846
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: what the characters were listening to, and he was naming

847
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: the songs and the artist And I still remember, I remember,

848
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: I think of this all the time. I don't know why,

849
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: but I do. I still remember. There's a scene in

850
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: that book where I think it's Julian the Robert Downey

851
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: Junior character walks into a room. It's like, I don't

852
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: know if it's a drug dealer or whatever, and this

853
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: some dude hanging out. He's playing guitar, he's trying to

854
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: figure out this doors riff and and and that's the scene. Yeah,

855
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: he writes the song it's like break on Through or something,

856
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: which isn't the song on the soundtrack. I don't believe anyhow.

857
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Braddie Stanellis is talking about how his professor at the

858
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: time was like, what do you do. You can't put

859
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: like songs in artist names in the book, like it's

860
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: going to date the book, Like nobody's gonna nobody's going

861
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: to read it in twenty years. And he's like, what

862
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Like this is how people talk,

863
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: this is what people see, this is how they interact,

864
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: and it's so true. And I'm actually reading a book

865
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: now from the seventies which is a very kind of

866
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: like literature book and it's it's good, but it's it's

867
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: for the first fifty pages, I couldn't tell. I literally

868
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: didn't know what era we were in. Like the guy

869
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: was in the service, I'm like, was he in World

870
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: War Two? Was he in Vietnam? How old is this

871
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: fucking got? You know what I mean? Like I had

872
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: no because there were no cultural references at all, And

873
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: I just can't believe that that was like a rule,

874
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And I mean that book,

875
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: that movie, that soundtrack was a cultural explosion. We don't

876
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: think about it now for whatever reason, but it really was.

877
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: It was everywhere and everyone. All my friends who were literate,

878
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, who were literary minded, read that book and

879
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: saw the film and it fucked us up. It was

880
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: like we didn't know those kids, but were like, oh, man,

881
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: like this is a thing and this is what.

882
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: La kids go through.

883
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: This is weird. So anyways, that's not track, just amazing,

884
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: just incredible, all right. So that's number one, the Lesson

885
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: Zero soundtrack, because obviously Robert Towney Junior is in less

886
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: Than Zero. The second one, I went with the name Junior.

887
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: Lots of juniors from music history to choose from. I

888
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: went I tried to go Obscure and I and this

889
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: is one of my liked songs on Spotify's by Junior Parker.

890
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: And Junior Parker was a blues guy, sort of came

891
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: up young guy, kind of under Ike Turner in that

892
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: sort but then kind of in the seventies or late sixties,

893
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I should say, was making more kind of like youth

894
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: oriented blues records, if that makes sense. And there's one

895
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: record called love Ain't Nothing but a Business Going On

896
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: And there's a song a cover on two Beatles covers

897
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: on it, one Taxman, which is incredible, it's so fucking good,

898
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: and then there's another. There's two other Beatles covers on

899
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: this album, lov Ain't Nothing but a Business Going On

900
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: by Junior Parker. The other is a super stripped down

901
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't even want to call it blues. It's soulful,

902
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: it's sparse version of Tomorrow never knows cool. I could

903
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: picture John Lennon hearing this and being like, oh man,

904
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: this is this is better than that shit I came

905
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: up with. It's so fucking good. It's so good.

906
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: Sweet, I don't know that record. I'll check that out, Okay.

907
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: So then I went with all right, lots of Bob's,

908
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: lots of Roberts from music history, and again I'm not

909
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: going to pick the Robert Downy junior jazz album. So

910
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: I went with Robert Palmer and not not addicted to

911
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: love Robert Palmer. Oh, Robert Palmer is so handsome. I

912
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: feel like he doesn't get the credit he deserves as

913
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: an artist. And the song Johnny and Mary, which I

914
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: believe he wrote, which is on that record, clues and yes,

915
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking right here, Robert Palmer did write Johnny and Mary.

916
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: Incredible song that wasn't gonna be the one I was

917
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: gonna recommend. I'm gonna recommen in nineteen seventy three, going

918
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: back you further, nineteen seventy three, Robert Palmer sneaking Sally

919
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: through the alley. That record is incredible, yep. And you know,

920
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: if you've had some sort of like handsome guy aversion

921
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: to Robert Palmer. This is the call to drop that

922
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: and to just just get into it, get beyond the

923
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: MTV video stuff, because it's fucking great.

924
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went through a major seventies Robert Palmer rediscovery

925
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: like last year. So like Sneaking Sally through the Alley,

926
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: Double fun Pressure, drop all those albums from the seventies

927
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: and you know this, His backing band on those records

928
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: are like the Meters and Little Feet. I think Lowell,

929
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: George and Little Feet produced a couple of them and

930
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: they they sound incredible, Like the groove of Sneaking Sally

931
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: through the Alley alone is just that little like it's great.

932
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: I love it. It's next level.

933
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff, good recommendations.

934
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: He'd be a cool guy to do an episode on

935
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: Leon Russell too. All right, what do you got?

936
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: I came today with I was thinking about comebacks, greatest comebacks,

937
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: because Robert Tourney Junior has arguably the great to come

938
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: back in Hollywood history. So I was thinking about other people, actors'

939
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: directors and who had some big comebacks. In my eyes,

940
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: the first one is Eddie Murphy. I'm gonna recommend Eddie

941
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Murphy movie. Obviously, he was one of the biggest stars

942
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: of the eighties. I mean he was like he was

943
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: one of the people that defined that decade for me

944
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and you, I know, of course, but for many other

945
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: people as well. But then when the nineties came, things

946
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: kind of went downhill. He made a string of movies

947
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: that I'm sure some of them did find financially commercially Boomerang,

948
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, Cop Two, Vampire, and Brooklyn the Nutty Professor

949
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Doolittle. But I think it's safe to say that

950
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: none of these are going in the Eddie Murphy Hall

951
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: of Fame. So he kind of lost the mojo there

952
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: for a minute. And then nineteen ninety nine, this movie

953
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Bofinger comes along, co starring Eddie and Steve Martin, written

954
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: by Steve Martin, and Eddie plays the dual role of

955
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: Kit Ramsey, this huge Hollywood movie star, and his twin brother,

956
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: Jiff Ramsey, who's a total idiot. Have you seen this movie?

957
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: I have not. No.

958
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: This is not only like one of the greatest like

959
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Hollywood satires, but it's probably arguably has two of my

960
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: favorite line readings that Eddie Murphy has ever given in

961
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: a movie before he is, so he's like next level

962
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: funny in this movie. So you got to check it out.

963
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: Bow Finger love that all right.

964
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: I can't watch Doctor Dolittle again. My kids have watched

965
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: it a gazillion times. I can't wait to show them delirious.

966
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't wait.

967
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: Good luck. Yeah.

968
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: My second pick is a Robert Altman movie called The

969
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Player from nineteen ninety two. This is another Hollywood satire,

970
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: a very dark satire with Tim Robbins as a movie executive.

971
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: So just real quick, you know. Altman was a giant

972
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy cinema, mash Thelonga Bye Nashville McCay, and

973
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Missus Miller. The list goes on and on.

974
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: Pop Eye.

975
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Well, Popeye is where it all started to turn Man,

976
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: because the nineteen eighties were not very kind to Robert Altman.

977
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: So for like at least ten years he was sort

978
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: of in the wilderness, right, But then this movie comes along,

979
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: The Player. It opens with this great scene of Buck

980
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: Henry pitching Tim Robbins character The Grad. It too this

981
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: idea for a sequel to The Graduate, which at the

982
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: time seemed like this great send up of Hollywood but

983
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: it was the movie so far ahead of its time

984
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: that it's basically like a self fulfilling prophecy with what

985
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood turns out now, if you haven't seen the player,

986
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: everyone listening out there, totally totally worth it, great, great satire.

987
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: And then my last pick is another director, the great

988
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Sidney Lumet, again a giant of nineteen seventies and some

989
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: part of the eighties cinema. He too had a rough

990
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: stretch was during the nineties. He has a couple good things.

991
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: There's a movie called Q and A. It was pretty good.

992
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: Night Falls on Manhattan was pretty good as well, But

993
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: then he went like seven years without making a movie.

994
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: He came back in two thousand and six with something

995
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: I have not seen called Find Me Guilty, which is

996
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: with Walter Mathow. It was not received well, but in

997
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven he made his final movie before

998
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: he died, called Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, with

999
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Philip Seymour Hoffman and Ethan Hawk. It's an incredible late

1000
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: period masterpiece from a guy who had been removed from

1001
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: his last masterpiece. He's so dark, such great stuff from

1002
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: both of those guys. We definitely lost Philip Seymore hopping

1003
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: way too soon. For sure.

1004
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: That movie is incredible and anyone who hasn't seen it

1005
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: needs to just make that a priority. It is. It's dark,

1006
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: but the performances are so great, and that Philip Seymour

1007
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: Hoffman character and what he's up to in that is

1008
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: just like, oh my goodness.

1009
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole plot about robbing your parents' store

1010
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: is just so fucked.

1011
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: Up, you know what I Mean's brutal. That's a brutal. Yeah.

1012
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: I met a guy last year who told me he

1013
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: stole three million dollars from his parents.

1014
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh just shit.

1015
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. He just told me this casually, after I'd gotten

1016
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: to know him a little bit, and I was like,

1017
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: oh okay, all right, wow yeah, fast, wow exactly. It's

1018
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: dark stuff. All right.

1019
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna end on that dark note here, because

1020
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I know you've you've got a crazy schedule you were,

1021
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: you were gone for so long last week. You got

1022
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: to play catch up here. I will catch you next.

1023
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: Week, you will, all right, Zeth, Thank you, buddy, cool,

1024
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: Thanks Jake, all.

1025
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: Right, everybody else, hey where you are. I'll be right

1026
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: back with some final thoughts right after this. What's up, y'all?

1027
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: Back once again here in this week's edition of the

1028
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Wrap Party, and hey, thanks for being here. I'm really

1029
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing your top ten lists for twenty

1030
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: first century movie recommendations. Okay, so don't leave me hanging

1031
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: on that. Please call or text me and Jake at

1032
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight

1033
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Speaker 1: with your lists. With any luck, you'll have some stuff

1034
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: on there that I haven't seen, which, in my opinion,

1035
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: is the best thing about these sorts of lists. Don't

1036
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: you think when you get recommendations for stuff that either

1037
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: you've never heard of or that you just didn't want

1038
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: to think, you'd want to invest time in. That's what

1039
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: I love about these things, especially list from other people.

1040
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: So send them into me. Maybe we'll play your voicemail

1041
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: or read your text on next week week's Wrap Party.

1042
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: And until then, I have four important things for you

1043
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Speaker 1: to know. Number one, available right now in your Hollywoodland

1044
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Speaker 1: feed our episode on Robert Downey Junior, coming next week

1045
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: on Monday, Our episode on Joan Crawford. Number three, do

1046
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Speaker 1: now in honor of this week's episode, me Reading You,

1053
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Speaker 1: the list of the highest grossing films from the month

1054
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: of May two thousand and eight, the month that Robert

1055
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Downey Junior began his comeback tour with the release of

1056
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: the film iron Man. Number one iron Man, directed by

1057
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: John Favreau. Number two Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of

1058
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the Crystal Skull directed by Steven Spielberg. Number three The

1059
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: Chronicles of Narnia Prince Caspian Alims directed by directed by

1060
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: Andrew Adamson. Number four, Number nine What Happens in Vegas

1061
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: directed by direct Tom Vaughn direct Number five Sex and

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