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Speaker 2: Welcome Home, Everybody. This is Angela Rai with Tiffany Cross
Speaker 2: and Andrew Gillham. Today we're doing a mini pod and
Speaker 2: we were talking about Terrence Howard on his Hustle and Flow.
Speaker 3: The hustle.
Speaker 2: The hustle was trying not to pay nine hundred dollars
Speaker 2: in taxes. I've said nine hundred dollars, nine hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars in taxes, dawn near million dollars, and the flow
Speaker 2: was I kind of liked this part. He said, you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't think as black people who are
Speaker 2: descended as slaves, we just have to pay this shit.
Speaker 2: I agree with this.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it either.
Speaker 2: I agree with this part, but I good luck with
Speaker 2: him staying out of jail. He was just talking about jail.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. The irs really just wants their money.
Speaker 3: Like for people Matterwanda, right, people who end up going
Speaker 3: to jail, it is really like a double middle finger
Speaker 3: to them, where it's like I'm just not gonna pay you.
Speaker 3: But I think the larger question of when you consider
Speaker 3: the wealth that black people created for this country from
Speaker 3: the rice to the sugarcane to the cotton. We made
Speaker 3: this here country a superpower. In the south was its
Speaker 3: wealthiest region because that is where most of the enslaved
Speaker 3: were working. And we have never been repaid. We'd never
Speaker 3: had any reparations, We've never seen the benefit of any
Speaker 3: of that work. As Angela coined the phrase, we built
Speaker 3: this joint for free. So you know, on the surface,
Speaker 3: this sounds like, oh, a kind of silly thing from
Speaker 3: Terrence Howard, But when you get into it, this brother
Speaker 3: is making a legitimate point. I don't know how we
Speaker 3: would make this happen, but I would be completely down
Speaker 3: for some sort of policy that says, yes, you are
Speaker 3: exempt from paying taxes. We would have liked to hear
Speaker 3: Joe Biden say in the State of the Union address
Speaker 3: and he's gonna give black people an evergreen tax credit
Speaker 3: where we never had to pay taxes. I will say
Speaker 3: that he would not win we are election with that.
Speaker 2: What about Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Did you see what we get?
Speaker 2: You guys just did it, Rejo Whisper, We.
Speaker 1: Just eliminated our imagination. Yes, we came down on the
Speaker 1: side of practical and political and politically.
Speaker 3: Raab because but you know that we know the other
Speaker 3: side too.
Speaker 1: Well, because we know the other side too well. But
Speaker 1: should knowing the other side and their objection be enough
Speaker 1: to stop the demand. And Terrence Howard says, no, you know,
Speaker 1: you may think that we're past this, but I'm still
Speaker 1: I'm still hanging on to the forty acres and a mule.
Speaker 1: And since y'all didn't come to pass, but that now
Speaker 1: the land seems to be taken up or it is
Speaker 1: bad land, or it's good land that you gave to
Speaker 1: the black folks when you thought it was bad land,
Speaker 1: and now you're coming back to retake it. Hello Miami.
Speaker 1: But I will say, I just what happened to homeboy
Speaker 1: Wesley Sniders. Did he go to jail up just because
Speaker 1: I got I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't he did in prison?
Speaker 2: He did? He did. And here's the thing, that's what
Speaker 2: I was just about to ask. I was literally sitting here,
Speaker 2: like you know, I can only think of tax evasion
Speaker 2: cases where black people are criminally prosecuted. I can't think
Speaker 2: of no white folks, can you?
Speaker 3: Honestly? It could because I don't pay that much attention.
Speaker 3: Like when something happens with Wesley snipes er Terrence Howard.
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't pay no damn taxes.
Speaker 2: Buy that. I just put up this that says tax
Speaker 2: evasion by millionaires and billionaires tops one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: billion dollars a year, says I, Rs Chief, And I
Speaker 2: am curious to know how many of them? How many
Speaker 2: of those tax evators get criminally prosecuted, get their wages garnished,
Speaker 2: and ever have to do time in prison. I can
Speaker 2: only think of black folks.
Speaker 1: I might be wrong.
Speaker 3: I'd like to be wrong.
Speaker 1: I wonder why the top one percent could, by any
Speaker 1: reasonable rational notion, be sitting in the Donald Trump camp today. Well,
Speaker 1: you got to conclude that Donald Trump and the Republicans
Speaker 1: inside countries, Donald Trump a slip of the tramp tongue,
Speaker 1: but he and the Republicans in Congress have stood up
Speaker 1: against the IRS, have threatened to zero fund it, have
Speaker 1: threatened to slow walk the money that was approved during COVID,
Speaker 1: where Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats said, where we're going
Speaker 1: to go after the cheats and those who don't pay
Speaker 1: their taxes. They enumerated this, Yeah, and Donald Trump said, no,
Speaker 1: we need to get rid of the IRS, and He
Speaker 1: was not by himself. He had the majority of the
Speaker 1: Republican leadership in the House who said, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring in this pulling back the layerr y'all because
Speaker 1: you asked the question, and it's the right question to
Speaker 1: be asked that when we make the statement that, in
Speaker 1: a principle wanted that that, Nah, you owe me. I
Speaker 1: don't know you. Nobody is over here explaining from members
Speaker 1: of Congress or from Donald Trump why it is that
Speaker 1: they hold the position that they hold, and why did
Speaker 1: those folks have never ever held accountable. We shouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 1: it's not surprising.
Speaker 3: But honestly, if we could just take it out of
Speaker 3: the minutia of politics for a second and the practicality
Speaker 3: of what it looks like for us. You and I
Speaker 3: have talked about this. Our money in our industry is
Speaker 3: sometimes very clunky, and so sometimes you will get a
Speaker 3: big lump sum check. And I know what we talked
Speaker 3: about in our podcast this week about the payroll we inherit.
Speaker 3: When you get money where mama needs, brother needs, nephew needs,
Speaker 3: sister needs, cousin need, Auntie needs, and you're paying out everybody.
Speaker 3: So if I get a lump sum check. Let's just
Speaker 3: say to keep it for easy figures one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: And technically maybe I owe the government because once you
Speaker 3: get to states, and sometimes our work is in different states.
Speaker 3: So if I've spoken in Indianapolis, if I've spoken in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, if I've spoken in Miami, I owe all
Speaker 3: those places taxes from when I spoke. I don't know.
Speaker 3: All I'm getting is this big lump lump sum and
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my bills and everything, and guess what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, to hell with the IRS. I have these
Speaker 3: bills to pay right now, and that is what is
Speaker 3: in front of me right now. That's the most urgent thing.
Speaker 3: It doesn't I literally did not know, well, how do
Speaker 3: I just call up the IRS and say, hey, I
Speaker 3: got this check. I might owe y'all some money. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to do it, like there is no
Speaker 3: guidelines to that. And so in the entertainment industry, particularly
Speaker 3: with Terrence Howard, I can see how you're getting these
Speaker 3: big lump sums of money and you don't know really
Speaker 3: how to manage it. That's why people some people have
Speaker 3: business managers, but sometimes business managers is an expense.
Speaker 2: You cannot care nurse CPA for folks who don't earn any.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, but you I mean, I can't technically
Speaker 3: afford a business manager right now. You know somebody that's
Speaker 3: telling me how to spend my money. But those are
Speaker 3: the people who can step in for you. So I
Speaker 3: actually feel really bad for entertainers who find themselves in
Speaker 3: that space. I feel bad for me who has found
Speaker 3: myself out.
Speaker 1: I just think if we have to pay hours and
Speaker 1: they're on our neck about getting their money for us,
Speaker 1: then be that on the neck of the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: the folks who got who are underpaying their taxes, are
Speaker 1: not paying taxes at all, Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: Somebody then haven't filed since twenty seventeen New Bureau.
Speaker 1: Or you've done some bs like you have value at
Speaker 1: one level to get financing from a bank, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to them paying on that great big wealth
Speaker 1: we're built all of a sudden. So all I'm saying
Speaker 1: is was good for the goose, how to be good
Speaker 1: for the ganner until Terrence Howard is able to help
Speaker 1: us move this country forward around reparations. UH, in association
Speaker 1: with taxation, pay your taxes. But we understand we understand
Speaker 1: the heat, we understand it, But to the government go
Speaker 1: after the folks who ain't spend some time, energy effort
Speaker 1: going after thes like.
Speaker 2: I also just think from a practical standpoint, like if
Speaker 2: we were talking about efficiency, like, is it really worth
Speaker 2: it just to have the example of someone who has
Speaker 2: a big name to collect this small check when you sorry,
Speaker 2: when you have people who are not paying millions and
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in taxes like this doesn't even seem
Speaker 2: like a smart strategy. If the government is old money,
Speaker 2: go where you can get the biggest hit.
Speaker 1: Nine Buffett said it. He said, my secretary should not
Speaker 1: be paying a greater percentage of her earnings and taxes
Speaker 1: than I pay. In mind, Yeah, this is Warren Buffett, right,
Speaker 1: and thanksfully, thankfully he's made the giving pledge. But if
Speaker 1: y'all just charged them more, right, that's I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: I think some of them have in filed since twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: but some.
Speaker 1: Of them have defrauded the system. That's true too. They
Speaker 1: ain't gonna pay and nobody is going to go after them.
Speaker 1: Terrence Howard is an exception here. I'm not calling him
Speaker 1: a millionaire, but if he is a millionaire. He's an
Speaker 1: exception within the millionaire class that the taxing authority is
Speaker 1: going after him trying to collect because they didn't do
Speaker 1: that to Donald Trump. And I'll rest my case on him.
Speaker 3: And those wealthy people have been dealing with these kind
Speaker 3: of things for decades. Like some of us, this is
Speaker 3: very new to us, you know, like we're just in
Speaker 3: the past five ten years just figuring this out, just
Speaker 3: now negating this. Donald Trump's father was a millionaire. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of these people come from family money. They
Speaker 3: have family attorneys, they have a crew of people around them.
Speaker 1: And they have a whole bunch of tax law that
Speaker 1: has been developed in their favor so that when they
Speaker 1: pass it on or they pass it on via stock, yeah,
Speaker 1: not in cash. Yeah, that the rules of different, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 3: Every part of that system, every part of the system, Yeah,
Speaker 3: is designed how.
Speaker 2: They're hide and playing sight and so with this like
Speaker 2: this and a send to the presidency, that's it. So
Speaker 2: the Inflation Reduction Act, which was of course passed under
Speaker 2: the Biden administration, is how the IRS has taken on
Speaker 2: this new approach to you know, coming after the millionaires
Speaker 2: and billionaires who have not paid their taxes or have
Speaker 2: not filed since twenty seventeen. It says that eighty billion dollars.
Speaker 2: The IRA increased the IRS budget by eighty billion dollars
Speaker 2: over ten years, and most of that is designed to
Speaker 2: support with enforcement of folks who haven't paid their taxes.
Speaker 2: So it's not just the folks who can can cut
Speaker 2: the corners. This is like for folks who actively haven't filed,
Speaker 2: like the Terrence Howards of the world. I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see and I hope that it doesn't happen this way,
Speaker 2: but I'm interested to see if more of the people
Speaker 2: who are targeted look like us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Angela, I don't have any hope that that bro
Speaker 1: one will get the resources. I think that the Republicans,
Speaker 1: so long as they stay in a negotiating or power position,
Speaker 1: are going to continue to slow walk. That's why they
Speaker 1: said zero fund the IRS, and that's why they said
Speaker 1: to slow walk. This money in their direction.
Speaker 2: Bill passed in twenty twenty two. They have this money.
Speaker 1: Guess what Zelenski was supposed to get that money from Trump,
Speaker 1: wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Well, the released is saying that this is exactly what
Speaker 2: they're going to do.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you don't hold your breath because I
Speaker 1: ain't holding mine.
Speaker 3: I got a question as we close out because this
Speaker 3: is our mini pod so it's a quick topic. But
Speaker 3: I have a question for our viewers. I would like
Speaker 3: to hear you all weigh in should black people have
Speaker 3: to pay tax?
Speaker 2: Like this question?
Speaker 3: I want to hear what y'all have to say the
Speaker 3: way and drop a comment. We know your answer. We
Speaker 3: all got the same answer, but we want to hear
Speaker 3: from you.
Speaker 2: Might Andrew wants to.
Speaker 1: I think people are to pay their fair share, but
Speaker 1: I think if I have to pay my fair share
Speaker 1: the wealthiest one percent, let me ask you?
Speaker 2: Can we ask this a follow up to the listeners
Speaker 2: and Andrew Kate answer, First, what's the fair share? What
Speaker 2: percentage is a fair shared to pay?
Speaker 1: Really sucks?
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the fair share? But how much do you
Speaker 2: think you should pay?
Speaker 1: Well? First of all, the fair share is what does
Speaker 1: it cost us to run the government of our choosing?
Speaker 3: But should our fair share look like everyone else? Should
Speaker 3: there be like? Should it be adjusted? Is that some
Speaker 3: form of reparations?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're in this tax bracket, if you are
Speaker 3: a descendant of the enslaved, then we will decrease your
Speaker 3: your tax racket.
Speaker 1: If we were the wealthy one percent, they would have
Speaker 1: come up with that rule for us.
Speaker 2: Ady, We're in a debate, and I'm the question. I'm
Speaker 2: asking you the question, sir, what is your percentage that
Speaker 2: you want to pay?
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened was no. I'm just saying, look
Speaker 1: at this here. If I feel in some ways overburdened
Speaker 1: by the current tax structure, largely because it squeezes those
Speaker 1: of us who are at the working middle to pay
Speaker 1: to pay the lion's share of what it costs to
Speaker 1: operate the government, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think is fair to pay?
Speaker 1: Well, it's arbitrary for me to say that, because I
Speaker 1: don't know what would this system look like if everybody
Speaker 1: paid thirty percent.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what I want to pay?
Speaker 1: I can guess, but sure you can say it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it didn't. I was a local elective official, Guys.
Speaker 1: I can't be like against likeation. Sexation goes to mention
Speaker 1: my kids are in public school, paid for by my
Speaker 1: taxes that I pay on my house.
Speaker 2: This part because you get to hear like what all
Speaker 2: gets covered ambulances?
Speaker 1: But what I can't tell you is what all gets
Speaker 1: covered federally because of what a messy mess deliberately. So
Speaker 1: that system is how many people don't have to pay
Speaker 1: taxes because they inherited their money or it was passed
Speaker 1: down through stock or stock. What do they do? What
Speaker 1: do they do? Now? They shred half the stock the
Speaker 1: value of the stock, double it, and then you pass
Speaker 1: it on to your children, and your children don't pay
Speaker 1: on that, and then your children's I mean, you've got generations,
Speaker 1: five six generations of wealth, and nobody in those five
Speaker 1: or six generations had to do a thing.
Speaker 3: For It's a good point. You got to get home
Speaker 3: to your Yes, but our viewers the simple easy questions
Speaker 3: should black people? Because these are internet comments, so we
Speaker 3: don't need your dissertation on a simple easy question, should
Speaker 3: black people have to pay taxes? We want to hear
Speaker 3: from you.
Speaker 1: As a form of reparations.
Speaker 3: Yes, Andrew, you better get home to those babies and
Speaker 3: can we go eat?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, welcome home.
Speaker 2: We don't know how many days Mini pods.
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