1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Welcome Home, Everybody. This is Angela Rai with Tiffany Cross 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: and Andrew Gillham. Today we're doing a mini pod and 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: we were talking about Terrence Howard on his Hustle and Flow. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 3: The hustle. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: The hustle was trying not to pay nine hundred dollars 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: in taxes. I've said nine hundred dollars, nine hundred thousand 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: dollars in taxes, dawn near million dollars, and the flow 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: was I kind of liked this part. He said, you 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: know what, I don't think as black people who are 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: descended as slaves, we just have to pay this shit. 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: I agree with this. 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it either. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: I agree with this part, but I good luck with 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: him staying out of jail. He was just talking about jail. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: That's the thing. The irs really just wants their money. 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: Like for people Matterwanda, right, people who end up going 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: to jail, it is really like a double middle finger 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: to them, where it's like I'm just not gonna pay you. 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: But I think the larger question of when you consider 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: the wealth that black people created for this country from 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 3: the rice to the sugarcane to the cotton. We made 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: this here country a superpower. In the south was its 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: wealthiest region because that is where most of the enslaved 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 3: were working. And we have never been repaid. We'd never 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: had any reparations, We've never seen the benefit of any 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: of that work. As Angela coined the phrase, we built 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: this joint for free. So you know, on the surface, 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: this sounds like, oh, a kind of silly thing from 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: Terrence Howard, But when you get into it, this brother 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: is making a legitimate point. I don't know how we 33 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: would make this happen, but I would be completely down 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: for some sort of policy that says, yes, you are 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: exempt from paying taxes. We would have liked to hear 36 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: Joe Biden say in the State of the Union address 37 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: and he's gonna give black people an evergreen tax credit 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: where we never had to pay taxes. I will say 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: that he would not win we are election with that. 40 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: What about Donald Trump? 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Did you see what we get? 42 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: You guys just did it, Rejo Whisper, We. 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Just eliminated our imagination. Yes, we came down on the 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: side of practical and political and politically. 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: Raab because but you know that we know the other 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: side too. 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: Well, because we know the other side too well. But 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: should knowing the other side and their objection be enough 49 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: to stop the demand. And Terrence Howard says, no, you know, 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: you may think that we're past this, but I'm still 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm still hanging on to the forty acres and a mule. 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: And since y'all didn't come to pass, but that now 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: the land seems to be taken up or it is 54 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: bad land, or it's good land that you gave to 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: the black folks when you thought it was bad land, 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and now you're coming back to retake it. Hello Miami. 57 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: But I will say, I just what happened to homeboy 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Wesley Sniders. Did he go to jail up just because 59 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: I got I don't know. 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: I just don't he did in prison? 61 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: He did? He did. And here's the thing, that's what 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: I was just about to ask. I was literally sitting here, 63 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: like you know, I can only think of tax evasion 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: cases where black people are criminally prosecuted. I can't think 65 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: of no white folks, can you? 66 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: Honestly? It could because I don't pay that much attention. 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: Like when something happens with Wesley snipes er Terrence Howard. 68 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: I see it. 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't pay no damn taxes. 70 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: Buy that. I just put up this that says tax 71 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: evasion by millionaires and billionaires tops one hundred and fifty 72 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: billion dollars a year, says I, Rs Chief, And I 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: am curious to know how many of them? How many 74 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: of those tax evators get criminally prosecuted, get their wages garnished, 75 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: and ever have to do time in prison. I can 76 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: only think of black folks. 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I might be wrong. 78 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 3: I'd like to be wrong. 79 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I wonder why the top one percent could, by any 80 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: reasonable rational notion, be sitting in the Donald Trump camp today. Well, 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: you got to conclude that Donald Trump and the Republicans 82 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: inside countries, Donald Trump a slip of the tramp tongue, 83 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: but he and the Republicans in Congress have stood up 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: against the IRS, have threatened to zero fund it, have 85 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: threatened to slow walk the money that was approved during COVID, 86 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: where Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats said, where we're going 87 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: to go after the cheats and those who don't pay 88 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: their taxes. They enumerated this, Yeah, and Donald Trump said, no, 89 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: we need to get rid of the IRS, and He 90 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: was not by himself. He had the majority of the 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Republican leadership in the House who said, no, I'm going 92 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: to bring in this pulling back the layerr y'all because 93 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: you asked the question, and it's the right question to 94 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: be asked that when we make the statement that, in 95 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: a principle wanted that that, Nah, you owe me. I 96 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: don't know you. Nobody is over here explaining from members 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: of Congress or from Donald Trump why it is that 98 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: they hold the position that they hold, and why did 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: those folks have never ever held accountable. We shouldn't be surprised, 100 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: it's not surprising. 101 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: But honestly, if we could just take it out of 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: the minutia of politics for a second and the practicality 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: of what it looks like for us. You and I 104 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: have talked about this. Our money in our industry is 105 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: sometimes very clunky, and so sometimes you will get a 106 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: big lump sum check. And I know what we talked 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: about in our podcast this week about the payroll we inherit. 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: When you get money where mama needs, brother needs, nephew needs, 109 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: sister needs, cousin need, Auntie needs, and you're paying out everybody. 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: So if I get a lump sum check. Let's just 111 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: say to keep it for easy figures one hundred thousand dollars. 112 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: And technically maybe I owe the government because once you 113 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: get to states, and sometimes our work is in different states. 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: So if I've spoken in Indianapolis, if I've spoken in 115 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: Los Angeles, if I've spoken in Miami, I owe all 116 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: those places taxes from when I spoke. I don't know. 117 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: All I'm getting is this big lump lump sum and 118 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: I'm looking at my bills and everything, and guess what 119 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: I'm saying, to hell with the IRS. I have these 120 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: bills to pay right now, and that is what is 121 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: in front of me right now. That's the most urgent thing. 122 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: It doesn't I literally did not know, well, how do 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: I just call up the IRS and say, hey, I 124 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: got this check. I might owe y'all some money. I 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: don't know how to do it, like there is no 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 3: guidelines to that. And so in the entertainment industry, particularly 127 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: with Terrence Howard, I can see how you're getting these 128 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: big lump sums of money and you don't know really 129 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: how to manage it. That's why people some people have 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: business managers, but sometimes business managers is an expense. 131 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: You cannot care nurse CPA for folks who don't earn any. 132 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, but you I mean, I can't technically 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: afford a business manager right now. You know somebody that's 134 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: telling me how to spend my money. But those are 135 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: the people who can step in for you. So I 136 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: actually feel really bad for entertainers who find themselves in 137 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: that space. I feel bad for me who has found 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: myself out. 139 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: I just think if we have to pay hours and 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: they're on our neck about getting their money for us, 141 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: then be that on the neck of the world. I mean, 142 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: the folks who got who are underpaying their taxes, are 143 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: not paying taxes at all, Donald Trump? 144 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Somebody then haven't filed since twenty seventeen New Bureau. 145 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: Or you've done some bs like you have value at 146 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: one level to get financing from a bank, but when 147 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 1: it comes to them paying on that great big wealth 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: we're built all of a sudden. So all I'm saying 149 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: is was good for the goose, how to be good 150 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: for the ganner until Terrence Howard is able to help 151 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: us move this country forward around reparations. UH, in association 152 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: with taxation, pay your taxes. But we understand we understand 153 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: the heat, we understand it, But to the government go 154 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: after the folks who ain't spend some time, energy effort 155 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: going after thes like. 156 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: I also just think from a practical standpoint, like if 157 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: we were talking about efficiency, like, is it really worth 158 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: it just to have the example of someone who has 159 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: a big name to collect this small check when you sorry, 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: when you have people who are not paying millions and 161 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 2: billions of dollars in taxes like this doesn't even seem 162 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 2: like a smart strategy. If the government is old money, 163 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: go where you can get the biggest hit. 164 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: Nine Buffett said it. He said, my secretary should not 165 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: be paying a greater percentage of her earnings and taxes 166 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: than I pay. In mind, Yeah, this is Warren Buffett, right, 167 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and thanksfully, thankfully he's made the giving pledge. But if 168 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: y'all just charged them more, right, that's I think that's fair. 169 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: I think some of them have in filed since twenty seventeen, 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 2: but some. 171 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: Of them have defrauded the system. That's true too. They 172 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: ain't gonna pay and nobody is going to go after them. 173 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: Terrence Howard is an exception here. I'm not calling him 174 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: a millionaire, but if he is a millionaire. He's an 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: exception within the millionaire class that the taxing authority is 176 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: going after him trying to collect because they didn't do 177 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: that to Donald Trump. And I'll rest my case on him. 178 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: And those wealthy people have been dealing with these kind 179 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: of things for decades. Like some of us, this is 180 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: very new to us, you know, like we're just in 181 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: the past five ten years just figuring this out, just 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: now negating this. Donald Trump's father was a millionaire. You know, 183 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: a lot of these people come from family money. They 184 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: have family attorneys, they have a crew of people around them. 185 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: And they have a whole bunch of tax law that 186 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: has been developed in their favor so that when they 187 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: pass it on or they pass it on via stock, yeah, 188 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: not in cash. Yeah, that the rules of different, I mean, 189 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: come on. 190 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: Every part of that system, every part of the system, Yeah, 191 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: is designed how. 192 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: They're hide and playing sight and so with this like 193 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: this and a send to the presidency, that's it. So 194 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: the Inflation Reduction Act, which was of course passed under 195 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, is how the IRS has taken on 196 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: this new approach to you know, coming after the millionaires 197 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: and billionaires who have not paid their taxes or have 198 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: not filed since twenty seventeen. It says that eighty billion dollars. 199 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: The IRA increased the IRS budget by eighty billion dollars 200 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: over ten years, and most of that is designed to 201 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: support with enforcement of folks who haven't paid their taxes. 202 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: So it's not just the folks who can can cut 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: the corners. This is like for folks who actively haven't filed, 204 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: like the Terrence Howards of the world. I'm interested to 205 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: see and I hope that it doesn't happen this way, 206 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: but I'm interested to see if more of the people 207 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: who are targeted look like us. 208 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Angela, I don't have any hope that that bro 209 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: one will get the resources. I think that the Republicans, 210 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: so long as they stay in a negotiating or power position, 211 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: are going to continue to slow walk. That's why they 212 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: said zero fund the IRS, and that's why they said 213 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: to slow walk. This money in their direction. 214 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Bill passed in twenty twenty two. They have this money. 215 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Guess what Zelenski was supposed to get that money from Trump, 216 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: wasn't he? 217 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: Well, the released is saying that this is exactly what 218 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: they're going to do. 219 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you don't hold your breath because I 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: ain't holding mine. 221 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: I got a question as we close out because this 222 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: is our mini pod so it's a quick topic. But 223 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: I have a question for our viewers. I would like 224 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: to hear you all weigh in should black people have 225 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: to pay tax? 226 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: Like this question? 227 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: I want to hear what y'all have to say the 228 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: way and drop a comment. We know your answer. We 229 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: all got the same answer, but we want to hear 230 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: from you. 231 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Might Andrew wants to. 232 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: I think people are to pay their fair share, but 233 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: I think if I have to pay my fair share 234 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: the wealthiest one percent, let me ask you? 235 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: Can we ask this a follow up to the listeners 236 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: and Andrew Kate answer, First, what's the fair share? What 237 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 2: percentage is a fair shared to pay? 238 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Really sucks? 239 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: Okay, what's the fair share? But how much do you 240 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: think you should pay? 241 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Well? First of all, the fair share is what does 242 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: it cost us to run the government of our choosing? 243 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: But should our fair share look like everyone else? Should 244 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: there be like? Should it be adjusted? Is that some 245 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: form of reparations? 246 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: Like? 247 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: Okay, if you're in this tax bracket, if you are 248 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: a descendant of the enslaved, then we will decrease your 249 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: your tax racket. 250 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: If we were the wealthy one percent, they would have 251 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: come up with that rule for us. 252 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: Ady, We're in a debate, and I'm the question. I'm 253 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: asking you the question, sir, what is your percentage that 254 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: you want to pay? 255 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what happened was no. I'm just saying, look 256 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: at this here. If I feel in some ways overburdened 257 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: by the current tax structure, largely because it squeezes those 258 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: of us who are at the working middle to pay 259 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: to pay the lion's share of what it costs to 260 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: operate the government, what. 261 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: Do you think is fair to pay? 262 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's arbitrary for me to say that, because I 263 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: don't know what would this system look like if everybody 264 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: paid thirty percent. 265 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: Do you want to know what I want to pay? 266 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: I can guess, but sure you can say it. I'm 267 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: just saying it didn't. I was a local elective official, Guys. 268 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I can't be like against likeation. Sexation goes to mention 269 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: my kids are in public school, paid for by my 270 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: taxes that I pay on my house. 271 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: This part because you get to hear like what all 272 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: gets covered ambulances? 273 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: But what I can't tell you is what all gets 274 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: covered federally because of what a messy mess deliberately. So 275 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that system is how many people don't have to pay 276 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: taxes because they inherited their money or it was passed 277 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: down through stock or stock. What do they do? What 278 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: do they do? Now? They shred half the stock the 279 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: value of the stock, double it, and then you pass 280 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: it on to your children, and your children don't pay 281 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: on that, and then your children's I mean, you've got generations, 282 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: five six generations of wealth, and nobody in those five 283 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: or six generations had to do a thing. 284 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: For It's a good point. You got to get home 285 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: to your Yes, but our viewers the simple easy questions 286 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: should black people? Because these are internet comments, so we 287 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: don't need your dissertation on a simple easy question, should 288 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: black people have to pay taxes? We want to hear 289 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: from you. 290 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: As a form of reparations. 291 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Andrew, you better get home to those babies and 292 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: can we go eat? 293 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: Yes? 294 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, welcome home. 295 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: We don't know how many days Mini pods. 296 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeart Radio and 297 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: partnership with Reason Choice Media. 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