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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: If you know me, you know I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: Thank you that was quite the introduction. I appreciate it. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 2: And not just because I'm interested in you, but a

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Speaker 2: talks about her eating disorder. I mean, these are it's

442
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 2: not we're looking up to, it's we were relating to.

443
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: And that I think is such an important tool when

444
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: it comes to, you know, explaining and talking about mental health,

445
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 2: being able to relate to someone definitely, And it's so funny.

446
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 2: The universe works in crazy ways. You just reminded me

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: of this. I had been covering, you know, in the news,

448
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: Naomi Osaka coming out, Simone Biles coming out, Megan Markle

449
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: coming out, all within like a couple months, and I'd

450
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: been covering them and defending them against trolls who were

451
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: calling them entitled or whatever. And then I had a

452
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: mental breakdown of my own, and I thought, well, I

453
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: don't really want to share this, you know, but what

454
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: a hypocrite I would be if I didn't. After defending

455
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: these people coming out and commending their bravery and their

456
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 2: courage and their honesty, and then I'm hiding mine. So

457
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the timing of it, all I think was,

458
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that I believe in destiny

459
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 2: or fate, but like it, it all worked at the

460
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: same time to get me out of it, sure, and

461
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: to talk.

462
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've loved seeing you know, Naomi.

463
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Speaker 1: And I actually was at an event for the Women's

464
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Speaker 1: Mental Health Summit with Kate Spade earlier this month. My

465
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: new company Softbar did a pop up there and I

466
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: was asked because they had a men's portion, I'll be

467
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: at a small one. And I know I got a

468
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: lot of shit for this on social media. Why is

469
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: a guy at the women's mental health panel? Harry's, the

470
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: shaving brand, does every purchase at Harry's they donate one

471
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: percent to men's mental health.

472
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 3: Harry's does a lot of work with Kate's Baide.

473
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, women's mental health and men's mental

474
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: health kind of go hand in hand. If they could

475
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: they do together. I'm being kind of making a dig

476
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: at all the comments on social about it I Simone Viles.

477
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: Because that's ridiculous.

478
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's insane, but I was gonna say,

479
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: Simone Viles spoke and she's just so powerful beyond belief

480
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: and having someone like herself, you know, share and she's

481
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: probably the greatest of all time, and you know, just

482
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: so important to not only women's mental health, but I

483
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: think just in general. I mean, yeah, we're all walks

484
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: of life. So I was really proud to be a

485
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: part of that and hear those stories. But yeah, like

486
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: it's amazing to see like those level of women that

487
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: are you know, you similar to yourself. You mean you

488
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: she must have it all figured out, she's got it all,

489
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: she's confident, she's good. You know. It's like, yeah, surprisingly

490
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: a lot of us. There is more underneath the hood

491
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: than you think. And I love getting the peak under

492
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: the hood with a lot of people because it's we're

493
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: a lot more alike.

494
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: Than you think.

495
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: Totally, totally and believe me, success, money, these do not

496
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: inoculate you from mental health. My anxiety does not care

497
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: about how much money I make or how successful I am.

498
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: It does not care at all. Neither does depression. This

499
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: can happen to anyone, and people still don't seem to

500
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: get that.

501
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, I think, what's hard And Simone actually

502
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: said this when she spoke at the Women's Mental Health Summit,

503
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: which is if I had like a head injury, I

504
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: could wear a helmet and everybody would understand. Yeah, like

505
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: if I have a bruise or like a patch or

506
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: a brace or some sort of contraption around my body.

507
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: You'd be like, oh, she's injured. He's like with your

508
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: head and what's inside. Unfortunately, there's really no way to

509
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: like visually see on someone. And that goes with Yeah,

510
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: I think life. I mean, you just really never know

511
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: what someone's going through no matter what. But yeah, like

512
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: I think she hit that home really well, which is

513
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: like mental health and are what's going on inside. It's

514
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to really understand without like that like a

515
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: brace or something around your head. Yeah, it's like kind

516
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: of absurd, Like you have to wear like the mental

517
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: health helmet this week.

518
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: At work to let people know you're not having a

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: good week.

520
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Ye, But yeah, I'm just it's nice to see, especially

521
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: people speaking out and trying to share their perspective because

522
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: I hope. I mean, I know Simone inspires me, and

523
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: she certainly inspires young girls and young women and women

524
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: down especially I think men too, because they look at

525
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: her and the like, she's just tremendous athlete.

526
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: So what do you do now to stay healthy, mindful,

527
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: plugged into your mental health.

528
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: I meditate, not every single day, let's be honest, I

529
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: try to pretty much every day.

530
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: I use Calm, the app that for me has.

531
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: Been a really big secret to like just staying grounded

532
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and kind of balanced. I do feel like it helps

533
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: just feeling a little bit less stressed or anxious at times.

534
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: Meditation is a big part. I mean, I go to

535
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: AA meetings.

536
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily it's not like a mental health thing,

537
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I feel better when I'm helping

538
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: other people and when I'm getting out of my own body.

539
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to a meeting tonight in Brooklyn, which

540
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: is a meeting I attend frequently, and I sometimes don't

541
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: want to go because I'm not feeling good just for

542
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I got some other shit.

543
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: But I'm like, no, this isn't about you. This is

544
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: about other people.

545
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: So it's good to get out of your body and

546
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: go connect with other individuals. I always hear one or

547
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: two things that I needed to hear that day. What

548
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: else working out, I'd say is probably should start with

549
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: working out on the top of the list for me

550
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: mental health and sobriety and working out go hand in hand.

551
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: I do a lot of hot yoga, I do a

552
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: lot of berries, I do a lot of running. I

553
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: do city bike, which I pretend is a workout, getting

554
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: back to work from place to place. But yeah, I

555
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: think those working out, meditation, therapy, A beings, you know.

556
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: And I think.

557
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Service is another element which I mentioned, which is AA,

558
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: but donating your time to other people, getting out of

559
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: your body, like when you realize it's not all Like

560
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of us me in recovery are very selfish

561
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: and self centered, and I it's important to get out.

562
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: Of your body, and so I try to do some

563
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: of those things. But I live a perfect.

564
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Of recovery or mental health. I am the opposite of

565
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: anyone anybody should ever aspire to do or be. That's ridiculous, No,

566
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like I feel like what who

567
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: I would follow would be like a lot more serious

568
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: fitness people are like.

569
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: But is it working for you?

570
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: What works for me works great, that's it. But I

571
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: guess that's it works for me.

572
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: But like if I was someone like I look at

573
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: other like people that I'm aspired inspired by, and it's

574
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: not someone like myself. I'm just what I'm getting at,

575
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: is I actually like Doc Amen or like Ja Shetty,

576
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like high high level people that that's who

577
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: I look to. And I'm like, oh, like that they

578
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: actually are literally living and breathing this lifestyle. I think

579
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of phony people out there, and I'll

580
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: say I get a lot more credit than I probably deserve,

581
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: just because of the way social media is, like when

582
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: you raise your hand and say you're doing this that

583
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: the other great, But like I could do more. I

584
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: could probably post more about my story or journey or

585
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: help more people. Like there's always I feel like there's

586
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: a disconnect on what people give me credit for and

587
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: then what's actually going on. So I just want to

588
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: highlight that, Like I'm not like some Buddha zen like person.

589
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: I just knowed for me those little tools. That's what's

590
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: helped me kind of become a more balanced person. But

591
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I still have my angry days. I still have my

592
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: emotional days. I cry all the time, I pick at

593
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: my face, I eat sugar like I do all this stuff.

594
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, I live this kind of

595
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: perfect life.

596
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: So I think you're holding yourself to a really high

597
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: standard and trying to convince people you're not perfect when

598
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: no one thinks you're perfect or well, they just need

599
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: you to be perfect.

600
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: I think the perception of it is I think you

601
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: get more praise than this. I'm not good at receiving

602
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: any of that kind of.

603
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: You are not You are not and listen, you're not

604
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: a doctor. No one's asking you to prescribe. This is

605
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: how you beat this. But sharing what you do is

606
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: is more than most and can help if it helps

607
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: one person say well, I'm going to try meditating or

608
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to try calm. I mean, these are this

609
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: is service. This is good enough. Yeah, what you are

610
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: doing is good enough. Do you believe that?

611
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

612
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't, deep down, It's just it's it's my own

613
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: character flaws, like nothing will ever be good enough or

614
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's always more work to be done.

615
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: Oh listen, I relate to this too, I really do.

616
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: But sometimes you need someone outside who also and.

617
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Are just being pretty honest and candid. I think you know,

618
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of very very nice compliments and

619
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: praise a lot of people have reached out, and I'm overwhelmed,

620
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: truthfully by it. And that's where that feeling comes from.

621
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Is I mean thousands that you don't deserve it?

622
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

623
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Zero, Like thousands and thousands of messages I get you've

624
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: helped me.

625
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: I told this story.

626
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: Recently, I was stopped in the subway by a girl

627
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: who was coming down the stairs and she like it

628
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: was like so uncomfortably shaking. I was like hi, and

629
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: she's like, you you're the reason I got sober. I'm

630
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: like and I gave her a hug, and what I

631
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: said to her was, you got yourself sober. But now

632
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: what you need to do is pass this along to

633
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: someone else, because someone is just going to see you

634
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: living your life this way and they're going to be inspired.

635
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: And that's all I did was just I am now

636
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: living more purposely and sharing that out loud, and you're

637
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: watching it, and that's what helped.

638
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: Like it was just it was a beautiful thing to see.

639
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: But what I challenge anybody who tells me that I've

640
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: inspired them, go inspire someone else and pass the gift along.

641
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: That's how this works.

642
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I agree, And that's a wonderful thing to say, But

643
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: you have to start with accepting that you've inspired people.

644
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just you have Like I I'll

645
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: give you an example, like on you know, you go

646
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to social media and I'm not saying that's the best barometer,

647
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: but you get your your narcissist piece of shit asshole,

648
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: and then you say up, yeah you're Yeah, you're the

649
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: worst guy that seen on Bravo.

650
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: You should kill yourself too. Yeah, you save my life.

651
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the world I'm in, and I don't

652
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I think for the psyche. For me, that's where that

653
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: comes from. It's like, well, this person says I'm a

654
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: complete piece of shit, yeah, and then this person says

655
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I saved their life.

656
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: Probably somewhere in the middle, I listen.

657
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: In my world, I get that too. I get death

658
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: threats and awful things, but also a lot of praise

659
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: and you. I mean, I learned I was way too

660
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: like living way too online and way too in the

661
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: comments and way too much on Twitter, and that was

662
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: fucking with my head, as it would fuck with anyone's

663
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: head for sure. So some of that is reinforcing bad

664
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: thoughts that you have that you don't need. You don't

665
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: need that noise.

666
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I got a lot better at sifting through and I

667
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't look as much as I used to.

668
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: But it makes me sad, because.

669
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's it is sad. I'm all I'm trying

670
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: to do is just live a better life. I'm not

671
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not doing this for a storyline. I

672
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: don't do it or anything other reason than to stay alive.

673
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: But it's authentic, I know.

674
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way I can stay alive is to

675
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: not drink alcohol. If I don't drink alcohol, I don't

676
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: do hard drugs. I don't do crazy things.

677
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: Now, yes I have shit, but I don't know.

678
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: It's an interesting complex and I just I more or

679
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: less share it because I I'm surprised with how many

680
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: people genuinely are inspired by what I've done.

681
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I'm done, Like I've.

682
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Just turned off, just been able to like turn my

683
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Like what I could be doing is a lot more

684
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: like actual work, Like I could be hosting one hundred

685
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: person sober community things and pitching and doing like.

686
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: That's none of this is required of you. You getting

687
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: yourself sober is a miracle. It is a miracle and

688
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: a blessing. Yeah, and that alone should be celebrated. Now,

689
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: the fact that you're talking about it and helping other people,

690
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: You're doing enough, Carl. I'm here to tell you you're

691
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: doing enough.

692
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: Well.

693
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

694
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: And you also managed to turn this into an incredible

695
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: business opportunity. Your softbars, talk about what you're doing in

696
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: that space. I think it's so cool.

697
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean over the last well, I mean with

698
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Kyle and Amanda and I. You know, back in twenty eighteen,

699
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Kyle was like, I want to do this. I want

700
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: to start a beverage company. And you know, I was

701
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: still drinking at that time.

702
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: Lover Boy was born. I invested.

703
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: I became, you know, one of the first employee, not

704
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: the first, but one of like maybe employee number three

705
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: or four. But during that journey was realizing that I actually.

706
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: Needed to get some help.

707
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: So we launched a lover Boy no alcoholic product last year.

708
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: Kyle was very awesome, like wanting to support me and

709
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: come up with that. So during this like non alcoholic

710
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it revolution, but I've been

711
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: living and breathing at shopping at stores that only sell

712
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: non drinks. It's a place called Wassan here in New York.

713
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: There's other stores like it. We launched our non alcoholic

714
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: lover Bok. I'm like, where do we where are we

715
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: going to have this product sold? Like where can we

716
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: get it on the shelf? And a lot a lot

717
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: of the stores were these non alcoholic bottle shops. I

718
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: was shopping at one of them last year in Brooklyn

719
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: and I walked in and lover boys on the shelf

720
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: the non alcoholic and other cool non alcoholic and I'm like,

721
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: this is.

722
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: Great, but like, where do I go to enjoy it? Yeah?

723
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: I go home to enjoy it. I'm like, this is insane.

724
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Why can't I go sit down at a bar? And

725
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I've had this dream of really like pioneering and like

726
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: changing the way you socialize in a way, and like,

727
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: I believe after living and breathing it for almost four years,

728
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: that you can have fun without drinking. They'll be social

729
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: and have a good time. You could still do all

730
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: these things. And I wanted to like really lean in

731
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: on that. So for the last year I've been working

732
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: on a new concept called soft Bar. And really what

733
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: the idea is a bar and cafe for mindful consumption.

734
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: And this is not a sober bar, because I believe

735
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: if we are just framing it as a sober bar,

736
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: you're only going to attract so people. I want everybody

737
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: to come because I want everybody to feel comfortable walking

738
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: in that door, regardless of how you describe your lifestyle,

739
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: not everybody's like me and raises their hand. There are

740
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: people that don't drink any.

741
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Alcohol at all. That's just how they live.

742
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to go to a sober bar

743
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: because they don't even think about it. It's just like

744
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: they live life without alcohol. There's people that are taking

745
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: a break the press. Yeah they're post metapausal, they have

746
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: lime disease, they've got an autoimmune issue.

747
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: Tons of people are wanting alternatives.

748
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: So I've been really looking in on this kind of

749
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: non olc revolution and I'm starting a bar in cafe

750
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: here in Brooklyn for mindful consumption, so it's called soft Bar. Then,

751
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, raising money, building the team, all that good stuff.

752
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: So not only am I living and breathing this lifestyle,

753
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like make a business out of it

754
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: and love it.

755
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: You know.

756
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: I just think there's we're just at the beginning of

757
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: all these cool non out drinks, but we still need

758
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: places to go drink them.

759
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: It's so important. And one group of people you left

760
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: out of who wouldn't go to a sober bar, or

761
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: people who might have a problem and not know it.

762
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: They might avoid a sober bar, but going and seeing

763
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: other people having fun. Not drinking might just be the

764
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: thing that tells them, oh, I could do that totally.

765
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I think just creating, Like I hate saying

766
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: safe space, it just sounds like overused marketing jargon, but

767
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: an inclusive environment where no matter where you're at in

768
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: your journey, you've got a beer in the parking lot

769
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: and come inside. We'll walking in with open arms. We've

770
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: got alternatives. We just don't have alcohols.

771
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, trying.

772
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: You know, kind of what they call is it's a

773
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: third space, is how they describe kind of what we're doing.

774
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: You know, it's a cafe, it's a bar.

775
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean really the only places they socialize our cafes

776
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: and bars. We wanted to kind of create something in

777
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: the middle. We are going to be coffee and we're

778
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: also going to have non alcoholic drinks.

779
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: Well, I wish you all the success with it. I

780
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: think it's really cool.

781
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: You'll be welcome to visit anytime once we get our

782
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: doors officially open.

783
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: We're not open yet.

784
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Well, this is a good segue to talk about a

785
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: little show stuff. Was it hard to protect your sobriety

786
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: within your personal relationships that we saw on the show?

787
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean I would never blame anybody for you know,

788
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: it's on me.

789
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really I firmly if I feel like

790
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends who you've seen some on

791
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: the show, some you don't see on the show, but

792
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: without a lot of support from fronts, you know, I

793
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: don't think some of those friends fully understand the levels

794
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: of what I go through. But I've never felt intentionally

795
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: tested by my sobriety by any friend, like throwing a

796
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: drink in my face or making me feel weird. It's

797
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: really all up to me, Like what am I I

798
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: need to decide what I'm comfortable and not comfortable with,

799
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: and my friends people then follow suit. But I needed

800
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: to kind of be in charge of my own way

801
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: and then you know, guys like I can't drink like

802
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: this is the life I'm living and just be very stern.

803
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: But once I said that, people were very accepting and welcoming.

804
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think as it comes into like a

805
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: serious relationship sobriety and the other person doesn't understand that

806
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: or still drinks, yeah, that's a very difficult situation to

807
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: be in. And I, you know, I for me personally,

808
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, that was a more of a big challenge

809
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: for my sobriety being in a relationship with someone that

810
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: still drank. Yeah, but I think that's all an individual basis.

811
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's really up to that individual how they feel,

812
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: what they need or what they want to be surrounded by.

813
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, no one tests my sobriety.

814
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all I got to take ownership of that, Like,

815
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: no one's responsible for me staying sober, only I am.

816
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: In a future relationship. Do you think you'd prefer to

817
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: be with someone who's sober.

818
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I've thought about this a few times. I don't think

819
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to have like a you know, like a

820
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: wall up if they're not. I've met sober people who

821
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: are in the community. I've met sober people who just

822
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: don't drink and they don't think about it.

823
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: It's not a thing.

824
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: I've met people that are just have a healthy relationship

825
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: with alcohol, don't drink a lot. I've met people that

826
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: drink a lot. I probably shouldn't necessarily be with someone

827
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: that drinks a ton where it's like a big part

828
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: of their lifestyle. Yeah, but I've often thought I could

829
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: be with someone that still drank and had a healthy relationship.

830
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: But I don't have like a like a rule. Let's

831
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: say about you know who, what lifestyle they should live.

832
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd like.

833
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: To think I could still be with someone that maybe

834
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: does drink a little bit, but it has a healthy relationship.

835
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I get to a lightning round. Are you game

836
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: for a lightning round?

837
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm game for a lightning round?

838
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: Okay, send it or more life, More life, favorite mocktail.

839
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: It's called the Soft Sprits. And we don't say mocktail,

840
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: we say soft cocktail.

841
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: We're not okay, what's your favorite soft cocktail? This is good.

842
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: You're educating me.

843
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: The Soft Sprits and then there's another one called the

844
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: high Road.

845
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: What do they taste like?

846
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Soft Sprits is like our kind of take on an

847
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: apparol sprits, So think like a little bit of that

848
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: canpari kind of tart sweetness with a little bit of

849
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: bubble from We use a non alcoholic champagne, so it

850
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: still has that bubbly kind of fun mouthfeel. We also

851
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: use some ingredients in our beverages that provide functional so

852
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: like electrolytes, vitamin B, fie, inning lions Maine. We're using

853
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: some additional ingredients which provide, whether it's focus or energy hydration.

854
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: So The Soft Sprits and The High Road are my two.

855
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: Favorite Summerhouse spinoff that needs to happen. For example, I

856
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: think Page and Craig need their own show because there's

857
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: so much like unintentional and intentional comedy there.

858
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying no to that. I think they're great. Yes,

859
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if a whole.

860
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Show for no.

861
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: I love Page and Craig. I'm I don't know. If

862
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm that, it wouldn't be the first that comes to

863
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: my mind.

864
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm just okay.

865
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: I want to see Brock and Sheena on a like

866
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: a home development remodeling show.

867
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he is so amazing. I don't understand.

868
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: He's like making driveways and walls a law and he's.

869
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: Like, I need to get a table saw it. I'm like,

870
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: get the table saw man, that's what you need.

871
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I know them, that's what comes to mind.

872
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: That's a good.

873
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: One, And I feel like there's got to be like

874
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, but like a cooking

875
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: show with someone from the Bravo world, I feel like

876
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: there's plenty of people that view themselves.

877
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Speaker 3: As cooks or yeah, like you know, some of the

878
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: housewives have their recipes. Oh yeah, I feel.

879
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Speaker 2: All of them be a competition Teresa.

880
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fishing cooking show with the Housewives.

881
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: That's fine. I like it. Let's pitch that to Bravo.

882
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the reunion when they can't decide

883
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: who's coming back for the next season, they do a

884
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: competition cooking show and then rever Wins gets to come

885
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: back next season.

886
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: It's great, Okay, workshop it.

887
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: We'll solve all the toxicity on all the shows. Yeah right,

888
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening to New Jersey.

889
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly. What's your favorite movie?

890
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: My favorite movie of all time is What's Two?

891
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: Casablanca Humphrey bogart Oasik one of the most amazing scripts

892
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: ever written. But my other favorite film arguably is either

893
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Trading Places or Caddy Shack.

894
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: So we go really high and low, high and low.

895
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: High and low.

896
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: But I still would argue, like the low of Trading

897
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: Places is still like super smart.

898
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, very different.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thirty nine years old, so my dad

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00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: got me into some of those you know, eighties comedies

901
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: coming to America. Caddy shack trading places. It was always

902
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: a big comedy guy. But I did go to Syracuse

903
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: University and study television and film, so I started learning

904
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: about you know, the Citizen Kanes, the Casablanca is the

905
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: Gone with the Winds, those like kind of cannon. Yeah,

906
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: the best films. Yeah, but those are probably my favorites

907
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: right now. To come to think, I've.

908
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: You can bring back one Summer House castmate. Who would

909
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Speaker 2: it be?

910
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Speaker 3: Andrea Denver?

911
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: Who would say no to that?

912
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Speaker 1: But I know all the women and men that like

913
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Speaker 1: that are very wanting to have Andrea back. I love Andrea.

914
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: We're very close. We're still really good friends. I was

915
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: texting with him this morning.

916
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Speaker 2: What's not to love? Coffee in bed every morning?

917
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: Come on, such a great guys, and you know we

918
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Speaker 1: were out He got married in May, Yeah, in Italy,

919
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: so a few of us were out there watching him

920
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: get married, which was really special.

921
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Speaker 2: So whatever happened, mine would be Christina Gibson. What happened

922
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: to her?

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00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Christina, as far as I know, is in Florida. She

924
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Speaker 1: got I think, married.

925
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: Had a kid. I still follow her.

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Speaker 1: She still occasionally we'll comment on some pictures and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say this. I I didn't know Christina

928
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: that well before the first summer.

929
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think she's as bad as everybody

930
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: thought she was.

931
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Speaker 2: I mean she definitely No, I think she was misunderstood.

932
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Speaker 1: Yeah, some moments, but no, I mean I feel bad.

933
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Speaker 1: You know, when it's all said and done. We had

934
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: no idea what the hell is going on back season one,

935
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: none of us did.

936
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a wild That was a wild season. Okay.

937
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Last meal, last meal either steak and potatoes or pizza.

938
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Speaker 3: But a steak meaning a filet. I'm a filet guy.

939
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, so would.

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Speaker 1: Probably my two Yeah, a steak, a file and mashed

941
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: potatoes and asparagus, and or a pizza.

942
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Where do you get your favorite steak in the city?

943
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Favorite steak? I mean Wolfgangs. I feel like it's probably

944
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: my favorite steak.

945
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: Oh Okay.

946
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: There's a new place that everybody keeps talking about, but

947
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: I haven't been. Kyle went and another friend of mine.

948
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: It's called Beef Bar. It's in Tribeca Bar. Okay, it's

949
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: a very new, trendy, popular spot that they have amazing

950
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: steak apparently, as as the name would suggest.

951
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean there's so many good places in New

952
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: York like Keynes and Homestead and Sparks. I love Del

953
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: Frisco's is great.

954
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: I mean there is another broke.

955
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean I got an email, actually another an email

956
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: inviting me into Brooklyn chop House. Oh so I might

957
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: take them up on that email and go get a

958
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: stick do it?

959
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Okay. Last question, This question is the most

960
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: important to me culturally, spiritually, all the reasons. When is

961
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: iced coffee season.

962
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: All year round?

963
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: That's the right answer. That is the correct answer you have.

964
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: I knew. I feel like you were setting me off,

965
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: so I'm glad I was ready for that.

966
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: It's a trick question because some people will say, oh,

967
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: you know in summer or the only right answer is year.

968
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 3: Round, year round.

969
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Well, I can I say something in fear of you

970
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: potentially throwing something at me.

971
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't drink coffee.

972
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: It hurts my heart. But listen, listen. Everyone's on their

973
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: own journey, and I don't judge a journey. I'm just saying,

974
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: as a man ashole, someone who grew up in Massachusetts

975
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: with dunkin Donuts. I had a dunk in my high school.

976
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: This is my religion. Coffee is a huge part of

977
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: who I am. But you it doesn't matter. You still

978
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: have the right answer.

979
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: That's all that matters. But now I like espresso, but

980
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: coffee makes me.

981
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: I already have anxiety depression, so the coffee only exacerbates

982
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: those things.

983
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: Whatever it may.

984
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: Got to know, got to know what works for you

985
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: and what doesn't. You gotta Yeah, Carl rad Key, thank

986
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: you so much again for opening up, talking candidly with me,

987
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: sharing your story for an audience that may or may

988
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: not know about it. I really appreciate it.

989
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: No, thank you. I mean, I'm sorry for being so.

990
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess I'm sometimes I appreciate it again,

991
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk. And obviously I love love hearing

992
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: what you're doing and everything you stand for. So I'm

993
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: honored to be a part of this. I truly am.

994
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you kind of checking me a little bit too,

995
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: you know. I just as far as how I sometimes

996
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: feel about.

997
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: How I am with certain.

998
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: Things, Yeah, I think they're doing enough.

999
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: I talk to tons of people that feel the way

1000
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: I do at times, so I'm glad that I can

1001
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: be open about how that feeling is.

1002
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: But also you can.

1003
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: You can, but you are doing enough. I want you

1004
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: to know that thanks, thanks, and look forward to watching

1005
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: you again and maybe running into you at a Bravo con. Yeah,

1006
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: with Dave Kaplan, I love Dave Well, thanks not only

1007
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: for this, but thanks for everything you do on Bravo.

1008
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean when, like I say, for a lot of people,

1009
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: it's just an outlet, it's an escape that like we

1010
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: really love and need. No.

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00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, the Bravo fan base and

1012
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: just the audience I mean, I would argue is the best.

1013
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: Fan base on television, hands down.

1014
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean engaged and super just supportive of whether it's

1015
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: your personal story or your Brandon's or your companies. I mean,

1016
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: Bravo fans show up and they oil out and they're

1017
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: very loyal.

1018
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: So I'm very lucky to be where I'm at. Honestly.

1020
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if you would have asked me back in

1021
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when I signed up for Summerhouse that I

1022
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: talking to you about sobriety right now, I would have said,

1023
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: you're fucking crazy.

1024
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: So it's really cool to have it evolve into where

1025
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 3: it is now.

1026
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: And you know, Season nine of Summer House is coming

1027
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: out and you'll see me in a different light hopefully

1028
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: this summer than last.

1029
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: So well, you're doing great and keep doing good stuff.

1030
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Next week on Off the Cup, I talked to my

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Speaker 2: friend Luke Russert, author of Look for Me There.

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Speaker 3: They said, sorry, we have to bump you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take Donald Trump's reaction to the shooting

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Speaker 2: death of Harambe.

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Speaker 3: The Gorilla live. Oh my, and I just said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's time. I think it's time. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 2: part of the Recent Choice Network. I'm your Hostess Cupp

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Speaker 2: editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers

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