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Speaker 1: Direct from Hollywood with Ryan Seacrest.

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Speaker 2: When discussing what makes a great film, you often hear

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Speaker 2: the phrase it all comes down to the story. But

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Speaker 2: not according to one of the premier filmmakers of today,

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Speaker 2: Director Chris Nolan passionately tells The Telegraph, it's a very

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Speaker 2: popular fallacy, sometimes with critics as well, that all that

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Speaker 2: matters is the scale of the story being told. People

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Speaker 2: will tell you that the success of Star Wars had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with its visual effects and it was

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Speaker 2: all down to its great story. But clearly that's not

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Speaker 2: the case. It is indeed a great story, but it's

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Speaker 2: also an incredible visual experience, which is an undeniable part

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Speaker 2: of great cinema. There's a wilful denial of what movies

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Speaker 2: actually are. Nolan's latest Oppenheimer, is out now.

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Speaker 1: That's Direct from Hollywood.