1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, indeed, and welcome back to Cardinal territory. I'm Katie, 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: who our guest host today needs no introduction, but I'm 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: going to give him one anyway. Faby and Ardaya covers 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: the Dodgers for the Athletic and he's also one of 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: my very very good friends. Can I get to go 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Sun Devils? In the chat? Bobby and is here to 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: preview the upcoming Cardinals and Dodgers series at the Stadium. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: And now full disclosure, as we record this, the Dodgers 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and Mets have not yet finished their series, and the 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals and Royals have not yet finished their series, so 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: we're a little unclear on those results, but the overall 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: arcing themes of the season for the Cardinals and Dodgers remain. Fabbian, 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: let's break it down. Yep, what do you got four? 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Let's see coming in. I think the Dodgers are going 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: to do a bullpen game on Friday. Saturday we'll see Yamamoto, 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: so personally very excited about it. And Sunday Dustin May 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: I think I've seen Yamamoto pitch once, but anytime you 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: see his name like that on the on the probable sheet, 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: you get excited. What's an yamamotives deal this year. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually coming off probably his worst start of 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: the season, but like that kind of goes to show 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: like how good of a season he's having. I mean, 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: he has been dialed in with the command the fastball, 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: has been more aggressive in the strike zone with it, 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: and I think just looks a lot more comfortable than 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: at this time last year, which is remarkable because last 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: year he still had a three Yarra had a really 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: solid season when he was healthy, was obviously excellent in October. 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, this year, he just seems like he's fully 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: in command. He's coming off of that one rough start 31 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: against the Yankees, and a couple of starts back had 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: looked a little bit of a hip issue that he 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: was dealing with. But overall, like this has been the 34 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: guy who has been the savior for the Dodgers' rotation. 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: Considering how many guys have been in and out, up 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: and down, inconsistent. He has been kind of the stabilizing 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: force and has kind of cemented himself as a sight 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: young candidate, and I think he's sort of continued to 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: kind of push his way forward there. 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Let's look at the big picture perspective for the Dodgers 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: starting rotation. So a tale of two stories here. The 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals entered the season with six starters really one in 43 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: triple A and Michael mcgreeby and Steven Matt's being like 44 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: the half in, half out option in the hybrid role. 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: And they did that knowing that they had virtually zero 46 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: depth in their major league rotation and if an injury happened, 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: they would be pretty screwed. The Dodgers came into the 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: season with like fifty pictures. Basically they had a stacked 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: rotation and there was a kind of a discourse on 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: how are they going to have so many pictures get 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: the amount of innings that they need? And knock on wood, 52 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have not had an injury to their starting rotation, 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: while the Dodgers have had what I think at one 54 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: point eleven pictures on the injured list currently fifteen. Nice 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: keeping it coming, all right? So what are the big 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: hits for the Dodgers right now? And some updates on 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the health I know they haven't really had Blake Snell. 58 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you go down the list, it seems like 59 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: it's different injury every day. 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the Dodgers kind of baked 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: in that they would have to deal with a lot 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: of injuries, just knowing who they went after, who they targeted, 63 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: who they have, and they kind of figured that they'd 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: be able to fold things in. Turns out they had 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: more injuries than they've been able to fold things in. 66 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: For Blake Snell went on the IL after just two starts. 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: Tyler Glasnaw is on the IL with shoulder trouble. Rookie 68 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: Sasaki's on the IL with shoulder trouble. The only two 69 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: guys to make every single turn through the rotation of 70 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: bed them Moto and Dustin May, who's already set a 71 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: career high in innings pitched, which goes to show Yeah, 72 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: which goes to show his sort of track record there 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: and kind of what they were expecting. So yeah, I mean, 74 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: this is obviously tough sledding for where Dodgers kind of 75 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: wanted to be. 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: Uh, I don't think. 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: I think Snell and glass now are probably on a 78 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: similar track here. Glass House set to throw his second 79 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: bullpen at some point this weekend. Uh, And then Snell's 80 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: probably gonna throw a bullpen at some point in the 81 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: following series against San Diego. So those are two guys 82 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: that you still have to ramp those guys up and 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: basically have close probably a full sprint training with those guys. 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: And then Rookie Saki is probably somewhere behind them, and 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: that's still a guy who, even when you get him healthy, 86 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: there's clearly a lot of mechanical stuff that they have 87 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: to get right with him. So they're kind of making 88 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: do with what they have right now. Clinton Kershaw is 89 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: kind of coming back and still clearly trying to find 90 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: his form. You have other depth pieces that simply just 91 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: haven't performed. When it comes to the guys like Bobby Miller, 92 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Justin mcbleski, guys that you thought would be coming in 93 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: as spot starters and performing admirably, probably as they did 94 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: last year, they they quite simply haven't done that. And 95 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: then Landonak has been asked to do quite a bit, 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: quite a bit more than I think anyone could have 97 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: anticipated at this point, so they've had to already go 98 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: pretty thin when it comes to the pitching depth. You 99 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: sort of see that with the last week or so 100 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: some of the guys they've acquired on the bullpen side 101 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: of things, well, sort of signing guys like Jose Odenia 102 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: off the street after already signing NDFA Chris Stratton off 103 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: the street. So like these are guys like these are 104 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: going way further than I think the Dodgers originally anticipated 105 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: when it came to the pitching depth. 106 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: I think that just goes to show from a Cardinals perspective, 107 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: why Ollie Marvel and pitching coach Dusty Blake we're so 108 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: intentional with their usage of their starters. We talked about 109 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: this pretty much the first two months of the season 110 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: here on Cardinal Territory on why Saint Louis was adamant 111 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: that Michael mcgreee needed to stay in Triple A despite 112 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: his performances, dictating probably a major league start. Now as 113 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: you record this, the Cardinals have not yet announced it, 114 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: but we are assuming Michael McGreevey will take a spot start, 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: maybe against the Dodgers, could be Sunday, or it could 116 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: be in the next three days against Toronto. By your 117 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: watching this, they will have announced. By the time you're 118 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: watching this, they will have announced it. But for the 119 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: first two months of the season, the Cardinals didn't have 120 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 1: any depth, and if an injury popped up, they didn't 121 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: have the depths like the Dodgers did to go out 122 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and pull from their minor leagues or pull from their 123 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: depth pieces. And now you're seeing with La it doesn't 124 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: really matter how many depth pieces there are. Pitching injuries 125 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: can absolutely derail a season for a team like the 126 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Dodgers that are, you know, one of the best in baseball. 127 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: It has been a big problem for them. It's luckily 128 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: they've been able to stay on track. But on the 129 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: flip side, if this happened in Saint Louis, I think 130 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 1: the Cardinals would have spiraled completely out of it by now. 131 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the benefits of having probably the 132 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: best lineup in baseball like the Dodgers have. And obviously 133 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: the bullpen's starting. You're starting to see the cracks there. 134 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: As a result, they've thrown the most innings in baseball. 135 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: You've seen something. The injuries kind of pile up. Uh, 136 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: They're gonna get a little bit healthier here soon. It 137 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: seems like Michael Kopak will be activated either by the 138 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: end of this met Series or at some point in 139 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: Saint Louis. 140 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 4: Uh. 141 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: Kirby Yates is probably gonna be pretty close behind him. 142 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: Those are two of your most valuable right handed relievers 143 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: right now, Like they're down their five most valuable right 144 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: handed relievers due to injury, and that's put a lot 145 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: of oners on guys like Tanner Scott who have been 146 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: off to the four starts of the season. Like the 147 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: bullpen has already kind of taken on the tear by 148 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: taking on the wear a little bit for the Dodgers 149 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: because of how much their pitching depth has been worn down, 150 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: But I think the only reason why they're staying float 151 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: is because their lineup has been so productive. 152 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Well, Cardinals have done a nice job of staying afloat. 153 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: In May, they had the best record in baseball then. 154 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: I know, coming into the year, I felt like the 155 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Dodgers and Cardinals were on completely different paths. But this 156 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: should be a pretty compelling season for them, or a series, 157 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: I should say either way, because I feel like June 158 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: is going to be a turning point for this Cardinals club. 159 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of skepticism outside of Saint 160 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Louis on if this Cardinals team is legit, if they 161 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: can keep it up, But the Dodgers, there's not really 162 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot of questioning that I know they play in 163 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: the nl WES, but you pretty much are a lock 164 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: to be working in October five and lucky you have 165 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: fun with that. What is if there's anything, what's the 166 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: concern and outside of the pitching injuries for the Dodgers right. 167 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: Now, I think it's haply weather this current stretch, honestly, 168 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: because that will determine how difficult that second half of 169 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: the season is going to be, how much of a 170 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: race it's really going to be in the division, and 171 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: how much they're really you have to push to make 172 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: the postseason, just because they're in a stretch right now 173 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: of twenty nine straight games against teams that really have 174 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: a shot in the postseason, the Cardinals now being one 175 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: of them, which I think sort of looked at the 176 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: beginning of the season that's probably the one breather you 177 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: would have anticipated in the stretch. It turns out there 178 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: are no real breathers in this stretch, and the Dodgers 179 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: kind of have to really tread water here. Honestly. 180 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: They have a lot. 181 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: Of pitching injuries, they're playing tough teams, their margin for 182 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: air is very small, and they have to win as 183 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: many of these close games as possible, which made kind 184 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: of this Mets series, at least the start of it, 185 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: kind of one of those things where it's a lot 186 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: of big swings when it came to each individual game. 187 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: Losing a game in the tenth inning and then winning 188 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: another game the next night in the tenth inning, that 189 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: matters a lot for the Dodgers in the stretch, especially 190 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: with Potterys playing the way they have, especially with the 191 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: start that the Giants got off to, and obviously Dymatics 192 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: have been dealing with some injuries, but they are still 193 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: a really talented team and we'll see how they hang around. 194 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: But obviously, if you're the Dodgers, you kind of learned 195 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: last year, you kind of always have known this, but 196 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: obviously appreciated last year what it meant having that first 197 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: round by being able to win the division, having the 198 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: extra rest, especially considering how warmed thin their pitching was. 199 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: They kind of have to be in this position again 200 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: where they want to really make sure then the second 201 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: half they can sort of focus on getting healthy and 202 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: also trying to keep that edge as opposed to sort 203 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: of running out of gas as they did in twenty 204 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: twenty one when they were in a similar position, trying 205 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: to repeat and the Giants really pushed them all till 206 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: the end, and all that extra effort they had to 207 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: expend really cost them by the end that season. 208 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: I do recall one particular playoff game in twenty twenty 209 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: one which ended in a Chris Taylor walk off. I'm 210 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: not quite sure which team that was against, but I 211 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: do know that was a bonding experience for you and 212 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: I my first playoff game and it was really, I 213 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: think one of the first games we ever worked together. 214 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: So that's pretty fun. But much more to break down 215 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: from the Cardinals and the Dodgers coming up this weekend, 216 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: and we'll check in on a beloved former Cardinal and 217 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: fan favorite. First though, a message from Arena. 218 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: Club ft fan by now, you know, if you're buying, selling, 219 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: trading collecting cards, Arena Club is the spot. 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Well, with Los Angeles in town, that means 242 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: a mister Tommy Edmund is as well. Tommy Evan was 243 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: a homegrown Cardinal fan favorite. Did everything you could ask. 244 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: They called them Steady Eddie out here, and I think 245 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: his Cardinal's tenure came quickly the end of it. At least, 246 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: he spent most of twenty twenty four on the injured list. 247 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: That entire time he was on the ail with Saint 248 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Louis and the Cardinals traded him at the deadline to 249 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: la as part of that three team trade with the 250 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: White Sox. They got Eric Petty in return, and then 251 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: life quickly escalated for Tommy Edmund, who went from il 252 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: to key piece in the Dodgers postseason run, to World 253 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: Series winner, to five year extension for seventy four million 254 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: dollars and now looks to be a Dodger, a key 255 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: part of the Dodgers for the long term future. Bobby, 256 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: and how is Tommy Edmund's season going. 257 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: It got off to a really hot start. I think 258 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: he sort of surprised everyone by I think it was 259 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: six or seven home runs in his first twenty or 260 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: so games, really showed a revamped approaches plus station less 261 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: I had played that swing really kind of locked into 262 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: a lot of the things a lot of the sort 263 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: of low hanging fruit that Dodgers heading coaches saw that 264 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: he had there from his time in Saint Louis, and 265 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: he really kind of corrected. 266 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: I think. 267 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: Obviously he went into a little bit of a slump 268 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: right before landing on the injury list. He sprained his ankle. 269 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: He's back now and kind of getting his feedback under him. 270 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: But obviously he is still the very same Tommy Edmund 271 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: who's been kind of very integral to what everything the 272 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: Dodgers do. From a roster construction standpoint, He's probably played 273 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: a lot more outfield than anyone kind of originally anticipated, 274 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: but this is sort of the best alignment is him 275 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: in center field or him and second base, depending on 276 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: the matchups. And he's been continued to be very good 277 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 2: against left hand pitching, hitting from the right side of 278 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 2: the plate. Also, that left hand swing overall, like has 279 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: still been very much an improvement over where it has 280 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: been in years past, and he's been, you said, incredibly valuable. 281 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: I know the Dodgers kind of wanted him for years, 282 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: and as soon as they kind of heard rumors that 283 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: Edmon was probably headed to Chicago in that deal, they 284 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: kind of inserted themselves into the conversation wanting to sort 285 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: of part ways with some pieces to try to see 286 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: if they can have Tommy Evans has solved a lot 287 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: of issues for them on the roster standpoint, and now 288 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: he's kind of doing that this year, kind of feeling 289 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: what Chris Taylor kind of was at his best with 290 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, which is giving you at least league average 291 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: offensive production at multiple different positions, especially up the middle, 292 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: and he has been incredibly valuable and lengthening this lineup. 293 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being Tommy Edmund and your path is 294 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: taken near the White Sox and all of a sudden 295 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: you're in LA. 296 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: Could you imagine from almost being a white SoC to 297 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: CSMVP in a few months. 298 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: This is a pro Tommy Edmund podcast. I would hate 299 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: that for our guy, but yeah, he seems to be 300 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: doing great out there. I briefly spoke to him earlier 301 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: in the week. He is super excited to be back 302 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis. I remember when he got traded. He 303 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: actually came up to me in the clubhouse and said, 304 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: I had no idea this was going on until I 305 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: read it on the Athletics so hey, shout out us, 306 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: Fabby and we were on it, and I remember he 307 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: was kind of taken aback. It was really emotional for 308 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: him not to say that he wasn't excited about being 309 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: a Dodger. I think once he got there and was 310 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: able to play because he was traded while injured, obviously, 311 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: he took off and now loves his time in LA. 312 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: But Saint Louis was the organization he'd only know or 313 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: he'd never known. I don't think he really anticipated leaving. 314 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: Prior to the twenty twenty four season. They signed him 315 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: to a two year extension through his remaining arbitration years. 316 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: And part of the reason the Cardinals were comfortable trading 317 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: Tommy Edmond is because they have such a big They 318 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: have such depth in middle endfield. You see what Brendan 319 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: Donovan's been able to do. In my opinion, he's an 320 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: All Star this year. You have Mason Winnett shortstop, you 321 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: have Victor Scott in center field. So Tommy Edmund by 322 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: nature kind of became expendable. And any time that a 323 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: fan favorite gets traded, you hope for the best there. 324 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: And it certainly cannot be going any better for Tommy 325 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: in LA And I also kind of think it's like 326 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a rite of passage for every season for Tommy Edmund 327 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: to play more on the outfield than he envisioned. I mean, 328 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: there was a time in twenty three where he was 329 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: by far their best center fielder despite not being a 330 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: natural center fielder. So it is no surprise to me 331 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: that that same issue or the same thing is going 332 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: down I'm sure there will be many standing ovations for 333 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: Tommy Edmon has a return on Friday. 334 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just such a winning player. 335 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: I think you kind of saw it over the years 336 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: in Saint Louis, like he does so many different things. Well, 337 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: I think the Dodgers kind of appreciate that. I don't 338 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: think I think they kind of knew that watching him 339 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: from Afar, but I don't think they realized either how 340 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: much was sort of left untapped when it came to 341 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: the power and some of the stuff the swing, or 342 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: like just how valuable he'd wind up being for them. 343 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: I think that kind of showed with how quick both 344 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: sides kind of came together on a contract pretension this winter. 345 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: I think Tommy said they've sort of reached out to 346 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: him right after the season around the parade, and the 347 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: deal was done by Thanksgiving, So that's how quickly it 348 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: all came together. 349 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't be happier for Tommy. Again. He was a 350 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: total cro in the four years that I had with 351 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: him in Saint Louis, and I know he's very good 352 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: to you as well, Fabbi, and so it will be 353 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: very good to see him back up the stadium. Albeit 354 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: in a different uniform. So actually a good segue a 355 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: player that is in the same uniform that may many 356 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: most of us thought that he probably wouldn't be is 357 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado. And I need you to say it because 358 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: no one believes me. The reason the Dodgers did not 359 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: trade for Nolan Arnado is because there wasn't a lot 360 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: of interest from the Dodgers side. Yes or no. 361 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: Correct, they never seriously pursued it this winter, like they 362 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: they never obvious like whatever entry level conversations they've had, 363 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: They've had conversations in the past. Obviously a couple of 364 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: years ago at the deadline was one that actually did 365 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: he up. Like they were seriously considering it. They were 366 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: sort of in a position where they kind of felt 367 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: it or not help push them over the top. But 368 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: going into this winner like, no, they were adamant from 369 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: this jump from winter meetings on they were saying Max 370 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: Munsey is their third basement and there are a lot 371 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: of reasons why, like obviously the contracting one of them. 372 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: Max Monty's frankly been a more productive player the last 373 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: couple of years, and that goes into this year. Obviously, 374 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: Eronado had the hot start monthly had the slow start, 375 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: but he's sort of seen that's kind of corrected, and 376 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: both are kind of closer to it being in line 377 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: with where they've been in the last couple of years, 378 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: which is Monsy has obviously struggled defensively, but he is 379 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: still a capable middle of the order bat and he's 380 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: kind of looked a lot like himself, and at that price, 381 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: it makes a lot more sense to have him be 382 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: their third baseman as opposed to maybe adding on more 383 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: salary for similar, if not a little bit worse production 384 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: are not. 385 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, two opposite sides of the spectrum for these third 386 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: basement I think, you know, Nola not as defense is 387 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: back to being gold glove not platinum glove level. He 388 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: looks like a vintage I don't like calling him vintage 389 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: because I feel like that makes him sound super old, 390 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: but he looks like, you know, the third baseman that 391 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: we grew up watching and fans saw win ten straight 392 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: cold gloves. The offense, though that's been an issue. The 393 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: ops is under seven hundred, he's hit under one fifty 394 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: in his last eighteen games, and he's dropped from queen 395 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: up the spot that he's been in pretty much his 396 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: entire time in Saint Louis to number six in the order. 397 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: He's working on revamping his swing, experimenting new things. He 398 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: knows it's going to be a lengthy process and not 399 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: something that he can fix overnight. That doesn't make it 400 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: any easier for him, you can tell. And part of 401 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: the reason I think he's having such a strong defensive 402 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: year is because he knows while he's searching for the bat, 403 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: he needs to put one hundred and ten percent into 404 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: his defense. So he feels like he's not totally, you know, 405 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: tanking the team, and I don't think the team thinks 406 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: that at all when you have someone like Nolan Arnatto there. 407 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: But he really takes his offensive struggles to heart. So 408 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: it's been interesting for me to see the kind of 409 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: two different ways Max Munsey and Nolan or Nolan Arnotto 410 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: season has gone. You can read more about Max Munsey 411 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: and a Dodgers things at the Athletic but yeah, we 412 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, all off season. It just seemed like, because 413 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: there was that interest at the twenty twenty three trade 414 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: deadline from the Dodgers, that Arnauto would go there. But 415 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: as we learned in the Arnatto saga, cardinal territory trades 416 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: are a two way street and they are certainly not 417 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: easy to get done. So for now, it certainly looks 418 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: like Arnauta will be in Saint Louis. Maybe we'll revisit 419 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: this in seven eight weeks or so, but right now, 420 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: still their third basement. 421 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Aaron o islwas big guy, Like, it's obviously 422 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: he would love to play in LA. Like he's obviously 423 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: from Sullar, California. Like the interest on his part has 424 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: clearly been there. I think I just think the Dodgers 425 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 2: kind of view Munsie is more cost effective option at 426 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: this point. Baul Soo like a guy who's been incredibly 427 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: productive for them for a long time, and he continues to, 428 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: at least with the bat, be productive. So I don't 429 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: think they have really much of a motivation at this point. 430 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: But we'll see. 431 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't move to the mood. Don't do 432 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: not move to the Midwest. That's a warning. 433 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: That's not the Ernado trade alert. 434 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: That would be so funny. Hold put us to stop. Anyway. 435 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: I wonder if I'm gonna get the game in today, 436 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: should I leave the window? Anyway, we'll reset. 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I will never get over this weather. 454 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: It's sort of raining randomly during VP yesterday, which is 455 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: like they actually had to fish out the tarp, which 456 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: turns out was not actually in the ballpark. It's in 457 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 2: the parking lot out beyond center fields. So they go 458 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: find that and put it on into the field before 459 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: first pitch. 460 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: Yesterday, but they got the game in, so that's that's 461 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: the most la thing ever. We've played four doubleheaders so 462 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: far this year, the Cardinals have. We'll probably play a 463 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: fifth one in the next couple of weeks. This has 464 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: been like the worst home weather ever, so as evidenced 465 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: by whatever the heck that was sobbing. As we look ahead, 466 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: June is kind of the last time that you can 467 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: really say it's early, even though it's not because the 468 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: third of the season has already been played. But for me, 469 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: the month of June dictates where most of these middle 470 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: of the area teams due in July. Obviously, we're talking 471 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: about the trade deadline here. Pretty safe to say the 472 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Dodgers are going to be just fine. They're going to 473 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: be in contention in the second half. We'll see. They 474 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: always seem to be those sneaky teams where you're just like, 475 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: how do they keep getting away with this? How do 476 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: they keep adding? I fully anticipate that to be the 477 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: case for them again, but I'm wondering, as you look 478 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: at the National League overall, are there teams that you 479 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: feel like are maybe not getting as much recognition or 480 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: teams that you think are actually true threats that could 481 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: be solidified going into July. 482 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the National League is clear 483 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: and far away like the more superiorlye at this point. 484 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: And you kind of see that with how many teams 485 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: are kind of not only in contention, but you can 486 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: actually make authorityative cases that they are possibly the best 487 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: team in baseball. Teams like the Mets, the Phillies, the Padres, 488 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: even the Cubs are off to a red hot start. 489 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: The Cardinals are surprising. So yeah, I think it's a 490 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: matter of like some of these teams, like there are 491 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: very clear holes or areas to address, with the Cubs 492 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: maybe in the rotation or at their base, the Phillies 493 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: with their bullpen, the Mets, you sort of see how 494 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: well rounded they are. The Dodgers are always gonna be 495 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: in the market for pitching. I think they'll still despite 496 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: their claims this winner maybe wanting to be selling pitching 497 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: at the deadline, They're probably gonna be buying pitching up 498 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: the deadline again. And obviously the Padres, like I mentioned before, 499 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: and we'll see what the Giants kind of look like 500 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: in a month. But yeah, I would say the depth 501 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: of this of the National League is kind of showing. 502 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: I think you'll see that over the course of this market, 503 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: it should be a lot of buyers. I would think 504 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: a lot more buyers. I think you'd anticipate. And I 505 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: don't know if that's going to clog up the market 506 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: because prices are gonna be way up, but it just 507 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: seems like how competitive the National League is, it's probably 508 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: gonna inspire a lot of these teams, especially teams like 509 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: the Cubs that are looking to break through after a 510 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: couple of years, are maybe more motivated to spend than 511 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: a year's past. And then we'll see. Obviously, you know, 512 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: we both know that a J. Preller's that was gonna 513 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: be really aggressive at the deadline. We've already seen and 514 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: report in the Athletic that they're sniffing around Aaron Durant. 515 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: So we'll see if they get things started even before 516 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: the deadline even starts. 517 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: I saw that alert and I was like, I wasn't 518 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: totally reading it. I just saw the name, and before 519 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: I even got to the team that was interested, I 520 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: just knew. I was like, this is Aja Powler's work, 521 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: because he's the only executive that be openly discussing something 522 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: like this on the first week of June. So yeah, 523 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm excited to see the trade deadline goes. 524 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: It's always a busy time, but I like your point 525 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: about I think there'd being an influx of buyers this 526 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: year and how that could impact the seller's market. It's 527 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: always a seller's market at the trade deadline, but this 528 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: year even more so. And I wonder what that means 529 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: for the middle teams like the Cardinals, who haven't really 530 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: committed to a direction yet. You know, they are semi 531 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: rebuilding but still in contention. And to their credit, even 532 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: though I think all of us, including myself, did not 533 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: really understand that sentiment, they've done a really nice job 534 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: of doing both. What does it mean for teams like 535 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: the Brewers, like the Cardinals, like the Giants, the Dbacks 536 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: who are just kind of good but not necessarily division leaders. 537 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: You can throw the Cubs in there, even though they've 538 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: had a great season so far. How will this trade 539 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: deadline and the resources available impact the amount of which 540 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: teams are able to upgrade? That's what I think is 541 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: going to be really fascinating. And I'm not quite sure 542 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are going to do. I mean, it's 543 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: not even definitive that they'll buy It really depends on 544 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: the next four to five weeks, so we'll see. But 545 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: I do know that it's made for a much more 546 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: competitive year, at least in my from my standpoint, and 547 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: I talked about it a lot, I didn't really have 548 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: a lot of high expectations coming into the year. Are 549 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: you surprised at what the Cardinals have done? 550 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still not really sure how they're doing it, 551 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Obviously, they're playing good baseball, 552 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: like they're doing all the components you'd think, but you 553 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: just like the roster itself did not seem like it 554 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 2: would kind of compute to this. 555 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 3: At least the beginning of the season. 556 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: It looked like they just sort of maybe had a 557 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 2: lot of quality players, but no one really pushed them 558 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: over the top. It didn't seem like they had enough pitching. Obviously, 559 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: we saw how good Hellesley could be at the back 560 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: end of the bullpen last year. But like the fact 561 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: that having the lights out closer in the back end 562 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: of games is going to help win you a lot 563 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: of close games, and that's gonna just matter to help 564 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: bank wins earlier in the season. But yeah, I've been 565 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: very surprised about how they do how they've done things. 566 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: I know you've talked about how good the defense has been, 567 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: maybe back to where it had been when they were 568 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: really rolling there. So yeah, it seems like they're playing 569 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: closer to the Cardinals baseball that I think people are used to. 570 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: And I think we'll see you how this roster kind 571 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: of comes together going forward, if there's any changes that 572 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: they make in terms of adding a middle of the 573 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: order bat or seeing where what goes out, or like 574 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 2: what if an Aeronata trade does come to fruition at 575 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: some point, what that does to open up the rest 576 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: of the roster, open up the rest of the lineup. 577 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what things kind 578 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: of look like in Saint Louis. I think they are 579 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: a team that could look very different after July thirty first, 580 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: whether it be subtracting from the roster or adding to it. 581 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: But I do think that I think that last. 582 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: Week before the deadline is going to kind of dictate 583 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: what things kind of look like in Saint Louis going 584 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: forward after this year, because I know that I'm sure 585 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: that they sort of view this as kind of a 586 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: swing point kind of like not to go back to 587 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: a different example, but like maybe par anxieties first year 588 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, where it was a similar kind of situation. 589 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: You know, there's a transition coming as Bruce Bochi's last year, 590 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: you probably are more competitive than you anticipated. There's some 591 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: veteran pieces that you can hold on to or that 592 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: you can flip. There are some young pieces you're not 593 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: really sure you have in them yet. There's a huge 594 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: swing that can sort of happen over the next few weeks. 595 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: That's a great comp and one that I think maybe 596 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: could be, you know, pretty telling depending on where the 597 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals are at the end of the month. One thing's 598 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: for certain though, after spending an entire off season doing 599 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto trade speculation, I can't wait to start doing 600 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: that in the next couple of weeks again. And to 601 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: be clear Cardinals fans, there is no indication they would 602 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: trade him. It's just going to pop up based on 603 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: how the off season went. So so excited for that, Fabby, 604 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for coming on the show. 605 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: You guys can follow him at the Athletic on Twitter. 606 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: F aban Ardaya does great work, except he will not 607 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: be coming to Saint Louis this weekend because everybody hates me, 608 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: so that's really great. But yeah, if you can't see 609 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: fobbing but you can't see show, hey o Tani and 610 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Tommy Edmunds. So we'll take two out of three. Bernie 611 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: Michlas and I are back to break down whatever happens 612 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: over the weekend, and we'll have some really fun guests 613 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: lined up next week as well. Fobby, thanks again so 614 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: much for coming on, thanks for watching Colonel Territory. We'll 615 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: be back soon. H