WEBVTT - Sticky Brain with Katherine Legge 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.040 Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we do 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:09.639 not need another sweatshirt. We do not need another sweat 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.880 clicks by on a fire Phantom Hodee on the Unrivaled site. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.080 It's Wednesday, January twenty second, and on today's show, we'll 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.920 be talking with motorsport pioneer Catherine Legg about how her 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.840 dad helped her realize her need for speed, the win 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.600 win scenario that helped fund her racing career, and how 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.720 her philosophy on women in racing has evolved. Plus, Naomi 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.440 Germa's passport is about to get a whole lot of stamps. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.839 Belated congrats to a dog and a man who just 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.239 can't get out of women's soccer fast enough. It's all 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:51.199 coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.320 you need to know today to soccer at the twenty 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.520 twenty five NWSL schedule drops today at twelve pm Eastern. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.240 Your eyes peeled for that on the league's social pages 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.160 and website. Sadly looks like we will not be watching 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.520 US women's national team star Naomi Germa in the NWSL 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.920 though this season. As she's crossing the pond per the athletics. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.800 Meg Lenahan, Chelsea and the Women's Super League has agreed 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.720 to terms with the NWSL San Diego Wave to pay 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.039 a record one point one million dollar transfer fee for 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.479 the defender, though Lenahan sources said the negotiation process has 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.440 not been one hundred percent finalized. If it is, Germa 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.600 will become the first women's soccer player to earn a 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.040 transfer fee worth more than one million dollars. Will keep 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.560 you posted as more details emerge. Happy for Germa, bummed 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.520 for me, y'all. I do not have the bandwidth to 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.720 start paying attention to all the soccer teams across the 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.760 pond too. I need them to stay in the NWSL 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.000 selfish reasons. More soccer news. BFC defender Jen Beattie has 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.600 announced her retirement from professional football. Beattie turned pro at 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.440 just fifteen years old, and her eighteen year career included 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.720 multiple stops across the Pond, including helping Arsenal to four 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.680 FA women Super League titles, two FA Cups and the 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.800 Women's League Cup in twenty twelve. The Scotland native's career 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.200 also included one hundred and forty two caps and twenty 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.160 four goals for her national team. She retired from international 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.239 competition in twenty twenty three. In her one and only 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.800 ONWSL season, Beatty, a breast cancer survivor, was named the 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.639 winner of the twenty twenty four Lauren Holiday Impact Award, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.320 honoring her work in the community supporting and promoting breast 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:26.000 cancer awareness and patient support. In a statement released by AFC, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.040 Beatty set of her retirement quote, I'm very, very grateful 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.520 for everything I've been able to do through football. When 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.560 I look back at my career, my favorite thing of 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.560 all is how fun it was. I've loved every second 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.560 of it, even all the hard stuff. I would do 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.600 it all again, all the injuries, the day to day, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.760 the big games. I feel so lucky to have made 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.680 friends for life off the back of it as well. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.160 I've met really good people and worked with great coaches 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.760 and awesome clubs. End quote. One of those great people 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.400 met through footy. Based on what we last heard, and 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.160 by that, what we last peeped on social media is 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.280 wo so legend Ali Krieger, who's dating beat there's your 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.680 footy and gaishit update of the day. We've been really 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.880 bad about giving y'all all the goss lately, so We'll 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.200 get back to that soon. In WNBA news, Britney Griner 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.160 and the Phoenix Mercury have been basically synonymous since the 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.000 six foot nine center was drafted to the team in 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.119 twenty thirteen, but Griner may be headed elsewhere. On Tuesday, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.160 the first day of WNBA free agency talks, Grinder's agent 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.919 told the Associated Press that the three time Olympic gold 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.440 medalist is taking meetings with multiple teams and testing the market. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.320 We'll keep you posted on that. Also in WNBA free agency, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.960 the Chicago's Guide declined to give guard Kennedy Carter a 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.880 qualifying offer, making her an unrestricted free agent now, multiple 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.840 sources told friend at the Show, Andy Costable at the 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.680 Chicago Sun Times, the decision was tied to other players 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.520 dissatisfaction with the dynamic created in the locker room last 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.000 year due to Carter's behavior, which allegedly went unchecked by 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.840 former coach Teresa Witherspoon. Now, there was an overall concern 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.760 within the team that re signing Carter would negatively impact 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.120 chances of landing other free agents. Weatherspoon was fired back 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.680 in September after her first season, and former Las Vegas 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.400 Aces assistant coach Tyler Marsh was named the Sky's new 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.760 head coach. Sky general manager Jeff Paglioca gave The Sun 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.080 Times a statement on the decision, saying, Carter is quote 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.360 extremely talented and as a player that can impact the 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.800 game at the highest level in our league. We absolutely 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.080 appreciate all she did for our team last year. However, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.240 we've made changes to our staff and we'll make changes 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.159 to our roster. Those changes impact Kennedy's fit on the team, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.159 so we wanted to give her the best opportunity as 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.760 a free agent end quote. Carter led the Sky in 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.680 scoring this past season, averaging seventeen and a half points 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.719 per game. Drafted fourth overall by the Dream in twenty twenty, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.000 she earned a spot on the twenty twenty All Rookie team, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.520 but she was suspended in her second season with the 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.440 Dream for quote conduct detrimental to the team. She was 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.640 then traded to Los Angeles Sparks. She played there in 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.200 twenty twenty two, was waived in twenty twenty three, and 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.159 joined the Sky on a training camp contract in February 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.359 of twenty twenty four. She's now free to explore her 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.080 options around the league and the window to sign a 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.320 new contract opens on February first. We were just talking 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.560 in yesterday's show about Carter going off overseas. Obviously a 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.760 ton of talent, there can't she pair that with the 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.719 attitude and the behavior to stick on a team for 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.320 a long time That is yet to be seen. More 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.440 hoops news. A belated congratulations to Las Vegas Aces guard 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.920 Kelsey Plumb, whose number ten jersey was retired at the 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.080 University of Washington over the weekend. She's the school's first 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.560 women's basketball player to have her jersey retired and the 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.680 sixth Husky all time. The ceremony took place in front 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.560 of a historic sellout crowd at Alaska Airlines Arena, who 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.400 got to both celebrate Plum and watch u dub knockoff 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.680 Perdue eighty seven to fifty eight. Plum's outstanding career at 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.680 Washington included setting the program single season scoring record as 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.440 a freshman and then breaking that record in each of 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.880 the next three seasons. She surpassed Jackie Styles's career scoring 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.440 record with a fifty seven point performance against Utah her 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.240 senior year, an effort that still stands as the UW 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.320 single game points record. Plumb finished her career at Washington 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.839 with three thoy five hundred and twenty seven total points, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.119 scoring eleven hundred and nine in her senior season. Both 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.040 those marks were NCAA records until Kitlin Clark broke them 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.240 in the twenty twenty three to twenty four season. Plum 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.760 was drafted first overall by the Aces in twenty seventeen. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.800 She's won two WNBA championships with them, as well as 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.040 two Olympic gold medals with Team USA. Congrats to a 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.880 dog in pro Vibes News. League one Volleyball hits the 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.840 court tonight with Love Houston facing Love Salt Lake at 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.960 Brewin Arena in Utah, starting at nine pm Eastern. You 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.039 can stream that one for free on love dot Com 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.920 by creating an account. We'll throw the link in our 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.760 show notes. In College Hoops News, there's a top twenty 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.719 five matchup tonight between number twenty three Minnesota and number 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.520 twenty four Michigan. They tip off at eight pm Eastern 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.640 on Big ten Plus. There are five other ranked teams 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.600 in action tonight too. We'll link to the full college 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.880 basketball schedule in our show notes. To hockey, we've got 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.320 some PWHL action tonight it's the Toronto Scepters at the 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.800 Boston Fleet, a seven pm Eastern puck drop in Lowell, mass. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.040 This one's a battle of the bottom, as the two 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.120 teams sitting in fifth and sixth in the sixth team 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.440 league duel it out. You can catch that streaming on 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.920 the league's YouTube channel and at the PWHL dot com. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.440 Some more PWHL news, the league and play Hockey have 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.359 announced a multi year partnership, coming together to launch a 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.039 new girls hockey tournament called the EWHL Breakthrough Cup. It'll 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.240 take place April fourth through sixth this year in Blaine, Minnesota, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.000 and include teams of all ages and skill levels. The 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.400 PWHL and play Hockey will also hold a series of 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.560 events aimed at fan development and aimed at growing girls 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.680 youth hockey, building on the league's existing efforts. We'll link 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.880 to the full release about the partnership in our show notes. Finally, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.240 in tennis, Spain's Paula Bodoso will face Arena Sablenka in 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.360 the semi finals with the Australian Open. After Bodosa knocked 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.680 off American star Coco Goff in straight sets. Goff made 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.400 it one round further than she did in the last 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.960 two Grand Slams, but she had even higher expectations for 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.120 this tournament, having put up a twenty two to two 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.520 records since the US Open. We got to take a 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.120 quick break. When we come back, We're going full throttle 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:54.320 with Catherine Legg. Stay tuned joining us now. She's a 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.880 trailblazing British racing driver, renowned for breaking boundaries and setting 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.080 records in motorsports. The fastest female qualifier in the history 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.200 of the Indy five hundred, the first woman to win 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.200 a major open wheel race in North America, and the 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.200 first woman inducted into the Long Beach Motorsports Walk of Fame. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.640 Her career spans various racing disciplines including indiecars, sports cars, NASCAR, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.640 and international endurance racing. Her new podcast, Throttle Therapy with 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.520 Catherine Legg, will bring you inside stories with legends of 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.440 auto racing and new faces from the next generation, plus 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.160 conversations with the people who have supported her throughout her career. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.480 She's been in America for years, but she still loves 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.560 her tea and biscuits. It's Katherine Legg. Thanks for joining us. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.040 Katherine, thanks for having me on. I actually have a 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.600 cup of tea as we speak. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.559 Not surprising you. You can't leave it behind. Did you 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.840 take offense during ted Lasso when he had a variety 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.360 of different derogatory terms for tea? 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.320 Now, I thought it was quite amusing. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.800 Actually, honestly, I started watching ted Lassa and I was like, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.640 this is rubbish, Like I am not watching, this is awful. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.680 And then by the end of the first episode, I 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.400 was like, this is the best show ever. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.840 Yep. I saw the previous and I was like, what 0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.600 is this And then I was like, okay, I'm in. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.880 I even have a mug that says hot brown water 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.480 from ted Lasso. So I want to start with how 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.600 your love of racing began. Take us back to Surrey, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.480 take us back to England, wherever the need for speed 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.080 first hit you. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.000 Oh, craky, that's a long time ago now unfortunately giving 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.800 away my age. So I started racing go karts back 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.760 in England. As you can tell, I'm not from Alabama, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.559 probably by the accent, and it was really just a 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.280 hobby that my dad and I had. So when I 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.599 was a kid, I have a sister and she was 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.320 very close to my mom, and I was really close 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.920 to my dad and I still am to this day, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.400 and so I wanted to be like daddy's little girl 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.120 and do everything that he did. So if he drank 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.280 tea and he liked tea, I liked tea right. And 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.800 so we went on a family holiday vacation to Spain 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.120 and my dad and my uncle had to go on 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.520 the go karts there and I was too small short 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.320 whatever it is, you know, like you have to match 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.200 up to that height thing like to go on the ride. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.400 So this was the same thing with the gokuts. So 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.160 I was too short and I was a bit stroppy 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.400 about that. And we got back to England and my 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.720 dad saw an advert in our local paper for our 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.160 local go cut place, and so he thought he'd bring 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.400 me along. And he was actually the first one to 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.120 get a cart, but I would tag along and pretend 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.640 to be his little nine year old mechanic, and in 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.800 the end I nagged him so much that he bought 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.240 me a cart for Christmas that year when I was nine, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.480 and literally we did like three races together and then 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.320 he was like, okay, she's already faster than me. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:35.000 Wow, So okay, so I'm thinking local go carts like 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.880 I used to do as a kid where you just 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.400 pay and you get X amount of time and you 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.280 go out there with your friends and you mess around. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.200 But he bought you a cart that allowed you to 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.240 enter like local little races. Yeah. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.120 So in England, and I think for most of Europe actually, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.120 there's like two types of go kart racing. There's the 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.839 type of go curt racing that you're talking about, where 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.120 you turn up at like Andretti's speed Sport and you 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.559 go and buy ten minutes and raise all the other 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.360 little kids, or if you like me, you turn up 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.480 and try and work before with them. And they said, anyway, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.640 but there's two kinds. There was like to bring your 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.360 own cart kind and then there was like the indoor kind, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.640 so we went to the outdoor kind, which we want 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.880 to bring your own cart kind. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.439 Cool. So it sounds like your dad was supportive of 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.360 your instant love of this. Did you get in general 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.760 support for your interest in your pursuit of racing or 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.320 was there some discouragement along the way. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:30.240 I would say both. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.680 Great question, because even within my own family both to 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.400 a certain extent, like my mom still to this day 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.040 hates my racing. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:40.679 Right, It's not that she doesn't support it. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:41.560 She just hates it. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.400 She gets nervous. She says, yeah, it's dirty. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.200 It's dangerous, it's smelly, it's noisy, Like, why on earth 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:50.120 would you want to do it? 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.960 She just doesn't get it on any level. Right, So, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.120 and also I was there was one other girl. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.839 So I remember nine year old Catherine looking at this girl. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.040 I remember her name, her name is Whez, and she 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.880 was racing. I was like, oh, my goodness, I want 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.320 to be like her. She's awesome. You know, I really 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.240 do think there's something behind there. You have to see 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.800 it to believe it, because if I've just in all 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.680 the little boys don't it, I don't think I would 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.760 have thought that it was even accessible to me, you know. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.360 Oh, completely agree. I mean I look around at the 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.720 landscape now for girls and women in sports, and I 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.040 think about just how much bigger I would have dreamed, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.600 how many things I would have tried instead of just 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.200 being like, oh, well, they don't offer it for girls, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.560 so I guess I'm just not meant to do it, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.920 which is not my personality at all. So it wasn't 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.880 an intentional like oh I'm let down by that. It 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.439 just didn't occur to me. I was like, oh, I 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.600 guess we don't do that then, and now I look 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.120 around and I'm like, man, the possibilities are endless. So 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.000 my producers have put in a follow up that you know, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.280 we have a rule here called no dumb questions, and 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.720 this could be done. But just take let us sound easy. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.880 If it is BRIT's drive on the opposite side of 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.200 the road for the US, so the do the laps 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.000 go clockwise instead of counterclockwise and your races out there? 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.720 Okay, I need to know who asked that question. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.640 Their names are Alex and Misha. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.680 Got it, got it right, Alex Amisha, I think you 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:16.280 failed the quest. Definitely, definitely a random question. No, we 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.760 all drive the same way. Actually it's not. It's not 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.360 a dumb question because there are many different kinds of 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.200 cars that we race, so we race are running through 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.520 all them. There's like Open Wheel, which is Formula one, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:34.800 and IndyCar type races which are predominantly on street, street 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.640 and road courses, but we do some ovals like the 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.480 Indy five hundred. Obviously you've got stock cars, which you 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.200 guys would know as NASCAR, and anything that drives on 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.520 either dirt or pavement in circles predominantly, but do some 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.880 road and street courses, so kind of flip flop with 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:50.240 that one. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.640 And they are the. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.080 Cars that you see, like the Chevies and stuff that 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.040 you see in the NASCAR races that you can relate 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.000 to what their body shape looks like on the road. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:13:59.400 And then the. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.280 Category if you like a sports car racing and sports 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.280 car racing comprises of GT cars, which is like the 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.559 fancy cars you see on the road, you know, Ferrari's Porsches, Mercedus, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.880 that kind of thing. And also prototypes, which are kind 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.280 of like open wheel cars but bigger and what manufacturers 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.960 use to test parts and bits and pieces to make 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.880 the road cars better. And they're called the prototype cars. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.800 So the GT cars and the prototype cars and everything, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.200 they actually no matter where you are in the world, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.280 they have the I think all but one manufacturer of 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.600 those has the driver's seat in the left side, which 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.480 is the same as the American side, because I think 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.640 that's where they do. I think most of the world 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.440 drives on that side. I think we and maybe Australia 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:50.560 are the only anomalies. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:56.320 Ireland, Ireland, yeah, Ireland, New Zealand, Yeah, yeah, Ireland does too. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.840 Yeah, that's right, because that's not part of us anymore 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.280 apart from on the maland yeah. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:00.880 Interesting. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.520 Okay, So I've never thought about this before. I'm not 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.160 a huge racing person, but open wheel is like you 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.960 can kind of understand it because literally, the wheels are 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.600 like if you look at the car, they're sitting outside 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.160 of the car kind of, whereas like a NASCAR car 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.680 looks more like a normal car and it's sitting in 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.440 like in the base of the car, the main structure 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.400 with the Okay, I've never really put those two together 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.640 when I've heard about open wheel racing. Okay, you've done 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.480 pretty much all of it. Have you ever thought about 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.480 I want to focus on one type of racing and 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.760 give all your attention and efforts into that discipline. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.320 Yeah, that's what I did for the most of my career. Actually, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.720 I wanted to be a Formula One driver ever since 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:38.520 I was nine years old. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:39.000 I didn't. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.080 Again, going back to the first point, which I feel 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.200 very much the same as you, like, it wasn't that 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.600 I consciously thought that anything was closed off. I just 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.360 didn't see it as an opportunity. So it wasn't it 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.000 just wasn't there. So even though I wanted to be 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.880 an F one driver, I never really thought I'm gonna 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.520 try and be an F one driver because I can 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.640 see it because there was no females and Formula one. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.680 There weren't no girls in it, and so it just 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:07.240 wasn't really an option. So I just kind of kept 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.800 plotting in that direction, and I wanted to do that. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.520 I came over here because in two thousand and five 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.840 to get the first opportunity that I really had, because 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.240 I'm not from a wealthy family. Until race cars, you 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.840 need money, and that's either in the form of sponsors, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.880 or you get backed by a manufacturer, or you have 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.120 wealthy parents. Most people have wealthy parents that do racing, right. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.800 I mean, if you trying to get to Formula one 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.400 these days, and you're going through the lower formula and you're. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.440 Making your way up the ladder we call it. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.560 You start off in the smaller, underpowered cars and you 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.000 learn how to drive those, and then you get a 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.920 bit more power and a bit more grip and you 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.080 work your way out and to get if you won 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.720 every series on the way to Formula One, it would 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.040 still cost you probably twenty million dollars. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:53.360 Oh my gosh. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.960 Yeah, so it's kind of cost prohibitive. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.640 Yeah, well, it's kind of like it's like on par 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.560 with Hollywood for like Nepo babies. That's how you know 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.480 all the names in racing because it's somebody's sons and 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.400 then somebody's son's son son son. Okay, wait, let's talk 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.119 about that. So you start out with the with the 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.000 go karts, and you get this love of racing at 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.239 age nine, and even though you don't really see a 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.360 model of what you could be, you just keep at 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.160 it because it's something that you love doing and it's 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.920 something that you're passionate about. What were you racing when 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.960 you made that move to two thousand and four, because 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.280 we'll talk about that story of walking into an office 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.600 and literally like cold pitching someone on believing in you. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.640 But what had you done up until that point when 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.000 you decided to make the move to the US. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.240 So I was fortunate enough that my dad could have 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.600 fund me through go karts, right, So he actually gave 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.800 up smoking. So he was smoking like two or three 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.160 packets a day, and he thought, Okay, if I give 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.679 up smoking, that's enough money to buy Catherine and you say, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.679 have tires on a weekend win win. How cool is that? Yeah, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.000 so that's lovely. So he got me through go karts 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.080 and then I won a scholarship. I took quite in 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.159 a competition and I the fastest, and I want a 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.359 scholarship to do like some Formula Forward, which is entry 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:09.639 level car racing, and I wanted more. And I spent 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.400 literally every evening because I was working during the day, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.720 I spent every evening writing sponsorship proposals and sending them 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.800 out via email and snail mail and like printing off 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.640 my racing CV or resume. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.040 And this is early twenties. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.920 Early twenties, Yeah, early twenties, out of go karts, trying 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.480 to be a race car driver. And then you can, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.040 even though you've got a Formula one dream, like that's 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.560 the tippy top of the mountain, right, there are other 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.560 races that you can do. Even in Europe. We don't 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.880 have NASCAR and stock cars in Europe. We have Formula 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.960 one and we have sports cars. Stock cars is a 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.480 very American thing, so that wasn't really part of my 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:55.280 thinking back then, but sports cars was. And in sportscar 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.360 racing there are a lot more drivers because you have 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.959 a team of up to four drivers in one car 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.320 and you switch out because you're doing like the twenty 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.800 four Hours of lamon on Daytona twenty four And I thought, okay, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.320 if I aim for the Stars and I aim for 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.679 Formula One and I come short, then I'll end up 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.680 in sports cars and I'll make a. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:13.520