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Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we do

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, January twenty second, and on today's show, we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking with motorsport pioneer Catherine Legg about how her

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Speaker 1: her philosophy on women in racing has evolved. Plus, Naomi

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Speaker 1: Germa's passport is about to get a whole lot of stamps.

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Speaker 1: Belated congrats to a dog and a man who just

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Speaker 1: can't get out of women's soccer fast enough. It's all

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Speaker 1: coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

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Speaker 1: twenty five NWSL schedule drops today at twelve pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Your eyes peeled for that on the league's social pages

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Speaker 1: and website. Sadly looks like we will not be watching

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Speaker 1: US women's national team star Naomi Germa in the NWSL

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Speaker 1: though this season. As she's crossing the pond per the athletics.

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Speaker 1: Meg Lenahan, Chelsea and the Women's Super League has agreed

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Speaker 1: a record one point one million dollar transfer fee for

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Speaker 1: the defender, though Lenahan sources said the negotiation process has

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Speaker 1: not been one hundred percent finalized. If it is, Germa

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Speaker 1: will become the first women's soccer player to earn a

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Speaker 1: you posted as more details emerge. Happy for Germa, bummed

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Speaker 1: for me, y'all. I do not have the bandwidth to

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Speaker 1: pond too. I need them to stay in the NWSL

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Speaker 1: selfish reasons. More soccer news. BFC defender Jen Beattie has

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Speaker 1: announced her retirement from professional football. Beattie turned pro at

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Speaker 1: multiple stops across the Pond, including helping Arsenal to four

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Speaker 1: also included one hundred and forty two caps and twenty

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Speaker 1: competition in twenty twenty three. In her one and only

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Speaker 1: winner of the twenty twenty four Lauren Holiday Impact Award,

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Speaker 1: honoring her work in the community supporting and promoting breast

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Speaker 1: Beatty set of her retirement quote, I'm very, very grateful

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Speaker 1: for everything I've been able to do through football. When

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Speaker 1: all is how fun it was. I've loved every second

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Speaker 1: I've met really good people and worked with great coaches

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Speaker 1: wo so legend Ali Krieger, who's dating beat there's your

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Speaker 1: footy and gaishit update of the day. We've been really

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Speaker 1: get back to that soon. In WNBA news, Britney Griner

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, but Griner may be headed elsewhere. On Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the first day of WNBA free agency talks, Grinder's agent

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Speaker 1: We'll keep you posted on that. Also in WNBA free agency,

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Speaker 1: qualifying offer, making her an unrestricted free agent now, multiple

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Speaker 1: sources told friend at the Show, Andy Costable at the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Sun Times, the decision was tied to other players

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Speaker 1: year due to Carter's behavior, which allegedly went unchecked by

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Speaker 1: former coach Teresa Witherspoon. Now, there was an overall concern

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Speaker 1: chances of landing other free agents. Weatherspoon was fired back

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Speaker 1: Aces assistant coach Tyler Marsh was named the Sky's new

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Speaker 1: then traded to Los Angeles Sparks. She played there in

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Speaker 1: hoops news. A belated congratulations to Las Vegas Aces guard

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Plumb, whose number ten jersey was retired at the

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Speaker 1: University of Washington over the weekend. She's the school's first

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Speaker 1: sixth Husky all time. The ceremony took place in front

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Speaker 1: Perdue eighty seven to fifty eight. Plum's outstanding career at

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Speaker 1: dog in pro Vibes News. League one Volleyball hits the

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Speaker 1: court tonight with Love Houston facing Love Salt Lake at

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Speaker 1: can stream that one for free on love dot Com

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Speaker 1: by creating an account. We'll throw the link in our

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Speaker 1: five matchup tonight between number twenty three Minnesota and number

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Speaker 1: some PWHL action tonight it's the Toronto Scepters at the

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Speaker 1: This one's a battle of the bottom, as the two

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Speaker 1: Some more PWHL news, the league and play Hockey have

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Speaker 1: announced a multi year partnership, coming together to launch a

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Speaker 1: new girls hockey tournament called the EWHL Breakthrough Cup. It'll

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Speaker 1: in tennis, Spain's Paula Bodoso will face Arena Sablenka in

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Speaker 1: with Catherine Legg. Stay tuned joining us now. She's a

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Speaker 1: trailblazing British racing driver, renowned for breaking boundaries and setting

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Speaker 1: She's been in America for years, but she still loves

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Speaker 1: her tea and biscuits. It's Katherine Legg. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: But I was always a big proponent of get comfortable

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Speaker 3: He was the owner and chief of the IndyCar series.

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Speaker 2: Let's call it the IndyCar Series because back then it

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Speaker 2: drove my little Voux Hall Novo, which none of you

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Speaker 3: And I turned up at the.

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Speaker 2: Office and this guy's a multi billionaire, right and he's

435
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Speaker 2: sold and run multiple successful businesses. And I'm like, yeah,

436
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go home and turn up and

437
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: see him. So I go to reception and she's like,

438
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: are you crazy? What's going on now? You can't see Kevin.

439
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: He's in the middle of doing a big multimillion dollar

440
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 2: deal to buy cousewere but his girlfriend at the time

441
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: and then wife after that, and his daughter were there

442
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: and they saw me and they were like, who is

443
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: this crazy English lady who's sat in the reception And

444
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: they came and spoke to me and said, Okay, Kevin,

445
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: I think she's got something special. You should speak to her.

446
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: And so I explained who I was. I like sweating,

447
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: rite nervous, and I explained to him who I was

448
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: and what I wanted to do and why I wanted

449
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: to be in his series and championships so badly and

450
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: how I would do him proud on all of this.

451
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: And it was honestly the most nerve wracking experience of

452
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: my life. I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it. And

453
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: I left. I call my dad because back in those

454
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: days you could use your mobile phone in the car

455
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: when you were driving.

456
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: And I called him and I was crying and they

457
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: he didn't like me. This is so bad.

458
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: But literally four days later, Kirsty and Kim is girl

459
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: power right, they had my back and they said that

460
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: he should give me a test. So I got a

461
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: call four days later from a team saying, hey, can

462
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: you fly to Phoenix because we want to test you.

463
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: And you said, no, I don't have any money.

464
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 3: I said, Daddy, can I borrow some money? Any like

465
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 3: four hundred pounds? Yeah.

466
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Speaker 2: So I did the testing in Phoenix and the team

467
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: gave me a glowing report back to Kevin, and Kevin said, okay,

468
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: young lady, and here's typical way of doing things. He said,

469
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: we'll give you the first six races of the championship.

470
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: And this championship was like one level down from IndyCar, right,

471
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: so it's one step to IndyCar. I'd never driven anything

472
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: that big and powerful before. I'd never done a full

473
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: season of racing anything car wise before, so it.

474
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Speaker 3: Was a big deal.

475
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Speaker 2: And I turn up I've never driven on a street

476
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: course before and Long Beach, California. So I go out

477
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: and qualifying for my first ever race, I stick it

478
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: in the wall and crashed into the wall. Not badly

479
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: but they could repair the car, but bad enough that

480
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: I finished like last and I had to start the

481
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: race from there. And then I made my way through

482
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: the entire field and like everybody saw what they were

483
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: doing and was like they were crowding the track and

484
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: they were all looking at it and I was going

485
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: like making up spots and I actually won the race

486
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: it and it got California's biggest sporting moment or something

487
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: that year in two thousand and five, that was how

488
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: long ago it was. But that's kind of what put

489
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: my career on the map.

490
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Speaker 1: Beginner's luck. You think, were you not overthinking it because

491
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: it was your first time you'd never done it?

492
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think it was because I thought it would

493
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: be easier in America than it was in Europe. And

494
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: I just came over and I was so arrogant and

495
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: confident and I was like, Yeah, I'm going to kick

496
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: everybody's butt that I didn't think think that the alternative

497
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: was a plausibility.

498
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got used to it and you

499
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: were like, oh it's hard over here, it's hard. Yeah,

500
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: that'll happen. Okay. So you start your career in this

501
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: incredible way, which reminds me of a story from this amazing,

502
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: super successful executive, Sarah rob o'hagen that I interviewed years ago,

503
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: and she wanted so badly to work for Virgin that

504
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: she went on a networking cruise and stalked a Virgin

505
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: executive and literally would not stop bugging him until she

506
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: got a job. Flew all the way from New Zealand

507
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: to New York, and the day she arrived, they had

508
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: let go of the executive who hired her, and no

509
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: one there even knew she'd been hired. So she shows

510
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: up for her first day in a new country and

511
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: they don't have a record that she's supposed to be

512
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: working there. She put together this giant plan, put it

513
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: under the door of the exec and said, like, this

514
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: is why you should keep me around, even though you

515
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: didn't even know I was hired. When I hear those stories,

516
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: when I hear your story of walking into the office

517
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and demanding a chance, I just think about how often

518
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: we let the fear of failure get in the way

519
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: of even trying, and like, just what's the worst that

520
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: can happen? I could have said, I don't know who

521
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: you are, I'm not meeting with you. Okay, you try

522
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: something else, But instead you get this opportunity to make

523
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: the most of it. So cool, Okay, I want to

524
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: fast forward a while because last year you actually raised

525
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the NDY five hundred with ELF as your main sponsor,

526
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: and a couple months ago we talked to ELF CMO

527
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: Corey Marchisoto about that event and how wild people went

528
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: for the ELF activation. Women so used to not being

529
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: catered to, not being served at these events, and I

530
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: imagine you get a lot of girls and women reaching

531
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: out to you, not just for advice, but just wanting

532
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: to talk shop. How do you handle the joy of

533
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: that and also the pressure of that sort of responsibility.

534
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's such a multifaceted answer, Like the ELF

535
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: partnership has been so wonderful on so many different levels.

536
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: And then it open I opened my eyes to something

537
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know existed, right, because I went

538
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: through my entire career going I'm not any different to

539
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: the boys. I just want to be taken seriously, like,

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: just treat me as another race card driver. And then

541
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: this big splashy partnership and activation that they did at

542
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: Indy showcased how much we were not.

543
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: Being catered to.

544
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: Like there it's a growing demographic in racing. I mean,

545
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: there are women running countries and companies and everything now right, Like,

546
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: I don't know they're allowed in the pit lane now.

547
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: They didn't.

548
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: They weren't twenty years ago. And I guess I had

549
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: been so in it, like deep buried in it that

550
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it from the bigger picture, and Elf did.

551
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: And so when they went there, all of these women,

552
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: I just started noticing how many women there were there,

553
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: and how they now had somebody that they could cheer

554
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: for with a product that was being on the car

555
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: and advertised to them in a way that they could

556
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: relate to, you know, like most women wear some kind

557
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: of makeup in some way, shape or form, or do

558
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: skincare or something, and we made the car pink. And

559
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that might be a little bit

560
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: too cliche, but it wasn't because they all the kids

561
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: they were like the pink car, and it was just

562
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: it was like this girl power movement and it was magical. Honestly,

563
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: it was like the whole place loved it. But then

564
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: because the women loved it, the men loved it, and

565
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: because the women wanted to be there and they were

566
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: interested in racing and they were interested how the pink

567
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: car and the ELF car did. The guys loved that

568
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: they were allowed to have this passion and they could

569
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: share it with their daughters or their wives or whoever

570
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: it was. And so it opened everybody's eyes. I mean

571
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: this series. The manufacturers ELF was shocked by it. I

572
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: was shot by like literally everybody it was this. It

573
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: was an enormous deal. It's won a lot of awards

574
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: actually since, and I know they're very forward thinking, progressive company,

575
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: and they've done lots of cool things, but I think

576
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: this definitely has to be amongst the coolest.

577
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much in what you just said, thinking

578
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: about having worked in sports for the last like twenty

579
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: years and pushing so much for women's sports to be

580
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: a part of everyday conversation. The change from what it

581
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: used to be, which was we're just one of the guys,

582
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: We're the same, just let us in now saying like

583
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: we can lean into the differences with intention and understand

584
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: the power in that. You've talked about not wanting to

585
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: emphasize your gender in the past, but you feel differently now.

586
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: What changed for you about being able to say I

587
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: can succeed in a male dominated space and not have

588
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: to erase my gender, but instead can lean in and

589
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: talk about it.

590
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: I think that times are changing as well, which is important.

591
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 2: So twenty years ago, when I was breaking into racing,

592
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to not stand out right it was still

593
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: very much a gimmick and a novelty, and people were like, oh,

594
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: what if she crashes and she hurts herself, And so

595
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: it was just inaccessible to women. And there were a

596
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: few of us that broke through it, you know, Dianikha

597
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: and I and a couple of others, but we were

598
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: very much trying to be taken seriously for our driving,

599
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: not for what you know, for standing out and being different.

600
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: But now I think it's seen as okay to be feminine.

601
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean as a woman in racing, and as a

602
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: woman in probably more than just racing, probably all sports,

603
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: although I can't speak to that.

604
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: You'll be better better often in that.

605
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: I think you walk a tightrope because you want to

606
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: be seen as feminine and attractive because you're a woman,

607
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: and what woman doesn't. But you also want to be

608
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: taken seriously and thought of as a badass, and these

609
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: days you can be both. Back back then, I think

610
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: you had to pick your poison right well.

611
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: And I remember with Danika there was so much talking

612
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: out of both sides of mouths about how you get

613
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: a spot, get a sponsor, get an opportunity, and it's like, well,

614
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: if your dad's dad's dad has been in it. We

615
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: don't care. But if you got it because you're a woman,

616
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: and the brand knows you're going to bring a lot

617
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: of attention and interest and coverage to it, then that's bad, right.

618
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: There were such double standards understanding that in racing, you

619
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: do you need people to take a chance on you.

620
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: You do need better factors and sponsors and teams, and

621
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: so the idea of like, well, I don't want to

622
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: make it about being a woman, while also simultaneously understanding

623
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: that there are barriers to women participating and that's part

624
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: of your story is really difficult. Can you tell us

625
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: what you think are some of the biggest things that

626
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: get in the way of more women getting into racing sports.

627
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: I think that it happens when they're young. I think

628
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: you have to start racing when you're young and you've

629
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: still got sticky brain, and you know, when you do

630
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: sports when you're young, you just figure it out right.

631
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: And you like are fearless about how many bones you

632
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: could be breaking and all the things that could go wrong.

633
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: Yes, one per one hundred percent failss.

634
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I think that if you learn as an adult, it

635
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: would be very much more difficult, and I think you

636
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't have that, I don't know, subconscious skill set. You'd

637
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: have to think about it more consciously. So I think

638
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: it happens in the teenage years, and I think it

639
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: happens like with Goka. So now there's a lot more

640
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: girls who want to go go carting and they want

641
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: to make their way up the ladder. But if you

642
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: think of it as a pyramid, and there are literally

643
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of guys across the world who want

644
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: to make it to the pinnacle of this pyramid, being

645
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: NASCAR Cup or a Formula one or Indica, right, pretty

646
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: much there is probably only like ten thousand women. So

647
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: the chances of one of those making it out of

648
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, the hundreds of thousands of guys wanting to

649
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: do it, is a lot slimmer.

650
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: But there are more doing it now.

651
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: The problem is they get to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen,

652
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: and they're racing against the guys and you're bullied and

653
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: made fun of and you're made to feel like an outcast,

654
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: and to be honest, like these days it's easier, but

655
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: back in those days it was more the adults. It

656
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: was more the parents that were like you got beaten

657
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 2: by a girl, like it was slanderous, like you were

658
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: a failure as a son. And so now I don't

659
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 2: think there is that, but it's still it's that you

660
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: start to realize that gender is a different around that age,

661
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: and you start to see boys like ooh, I fancy.

662
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: Him or I want to date him, and then there's.

663
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Like this whole confusion, and so a lot of women

664
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: drop out at that age because of all of those things.

665
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I will admit that there were

666
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: times in my career when I was the only woman

667
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: in the room and I would have advocated for more women,

668
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: But there was also a part of me that was like, oh,

669
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm special, I'm the one who made it right, because

670
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: that's what they teach us. There's only room for one

671
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: at the table, and if you're the one, then you're

672
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: special and maybe you're just better, instead of realizing that

673
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: that's actually a tool of the patriarchy to keep women

674
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and minority folks down, is to make it feel like

675
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: there's only enough space for one or two and that

676
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: you're the special one and really discourage you from reaching

677
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: a hand down and encouraging others to come up with you.

678
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: That's changing a lot of late. But I wonder if

679
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: you look back honestly, at any point in your career,

680
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: did you feel special in the sense of like, oh,

681
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: this scarcity makes me stand out? Because I do think

682
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about the only woman or the first

683
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: woman a lot, it's both a positive in that you've

684
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: opened a door, but it also sort of celebrates scarcity

685
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: in a way that might discourage other women because they hear, oh,

686
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: there's only been one.

687
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: Oh that's not for me, then one hundred percent, And

688
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: I think that's more a marketing and a.

689
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: Pr thing than a me thing.

690
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: And actually, the more I've matured, the more I've come

691
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: around to your way of thinking, Whereas I was very

692
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: much similar when I was younger, because I experienced it

693
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: like when I came back to Europe to race for

694
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: a couple of years because the IndyCar series merged together

695
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: and one had Danika and one had me, and like

696
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: it was literal that they only wanted one of us,

697
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: like there was only room for one woman. So subconsciously

698
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: that just reinforces all the beliefs that you were just

699
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: talking about.

700
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: But now I realized, no, I don't know a decade ago.

701
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: I guess it probably was that that was happening when

702
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: we started the FIA Women in Motorspot Commission, and the

703
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: FIA is the sport's governing body, so we were trying

704
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: to get more women involved, and there was this mentality

705
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: of I want to be the best woman amongst all

706
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: of the females. And there was like maybe twenty of

707
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: them across the world trying to make it as race

708
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: car drivers in relatively different levels, and they all wanted

709
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: to be the best girl. They wanted to be the

710
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: standout girl. And I was banging the drum about no,

711
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: you've got so many more people that you need to beat.

712
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: You need to beat all the boys as well, Like

713
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you're the best woman. Who cares

714
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: if you're the best woman because there's so few of us.

715
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: That doesn't actually put you anywhere in the whole skin

716
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: of things. Like, let's band together, and which is why

717
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: I put an all female team together, because I wanted

718
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: to showcase the female talent, because we're stronger when we're together.

719
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's not many people who have

720
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: had our life experiences, so we can all relate to

721
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: each other, hell each other to grow, but there still is,

722
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: especially amongst the younger ones. But I think that spread

723
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: into them by the people they surround themselves with. That's

724
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: all I can imagine.

725
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes with sports like racing where women can and

726
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: do compete against men, we're not sure if we should

727
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: put it in our women's sports conversation, but it's not

728
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: really necessary for there to be a separate women's division either.

729
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that lack of separation has resulted in

730
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: more or less women being included? Do you think if

731
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: there was an opportunity for just women's races, more girls

732
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: and women would give it a try?

733
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: There is now actually, Sarah, there's the F one Academy, which.

734
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I've seen that, but didn't it lose funding like right

735
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: when it started?

736
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: So the W Series it was called before Formula One,

737
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: kind of took on the same concept and made it

738
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: their own. Yes, it failed because nobody wanted to sponsor

739
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: it for some reason, and I.

740
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: Don't know why.

741
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, like, I don't know how I

742
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: feel about that, and I'm so torn a knife flip flop,

743
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: because yes, it gave women that wouldn't necessarily have had

744
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: the opportunity. It gave them the opportunity and open doors

745
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: and gave them a showcase if you like. But also,

746
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: we don't need to be segregated in racing. It's not

747
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: outright strength. There is absolutely no reason we cannot compete

748
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: with the men. And you know, Linse and James and

749
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: Janet Guthrie and Danika and I we've all proven that

750
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: we work hard enough in the gym that we can

751
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: be strong enough to drive these race cars and we

752
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: don't need to be segregated.

753
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: So the fact that they are segregating us is actually.

754
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: Keeping the level lower because they're not racing against the

755
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: best of the best, so they're not becoming the best

756
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: that they can be. And so it's kind of it's

757
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: another way that I think is weirdly keeping women down.

758
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like maybe a little bit of both. You know,

759
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: it stays open category, but there are opportunities, especially in

760
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: the lower levels, for women to race alone, to feel

761
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: more comfortable, to feel more supported, to feel like maybe

762
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: they aren't going to get that bs from parents or

763
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: adults about competing against boys. We have to take a

764
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back. You know, I listened

765
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: to an interview. Did you said that racing has been

766
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: your life twenty four to seven since the age of nine.

767
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: You do everything all in, no half ass. Everything is

768
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: about pushing yourself. Everything is about squeezing out every bit

769
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: of your potential. And I find in life sometimes the

770
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: qualities that make us great at our job can lead

771
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: to issues in the rest of life, lack of balance,

772
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: struggles in personal or family life, difficulty accepting loss or disappointment.

773
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: If we're extremely competitive and then we try to bring

774
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: that to other spaces. Sometimes it's not great in life

775
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: that I could talk forever and ever, and I have

776
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: opinions on everything. It's good for my job, maybe not

777
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: for everybody that wants to hang out. Do you find

778
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: that some of the things that make you great at

779
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: racing make the rest of your life tough?

780
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're getting all deep and meaningful now, yeah, but yes.

781
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: So one thing is everybody says you make sacrifices, right,

782
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see it as sacrifices because I've never

783
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: thought of giving up anything for racing, because racing is

784
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: my identity. And that's scary, Like if you actually think

785
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: about it, racing should be something that you do, not

786
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: who you are, but it's something that's kind of taken

787
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: over my life and it is who I am. And yes,

788
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: it's been to the detriment of relationships. You know, they're

789
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: hard to maintain when you're going around like you're going

790
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: away every other week, you're going away with a bunch

791
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: of men, so there's jealousies that come into play.

792
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: There's also you.

793
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: Know, I have to be a boss in every aspect

794
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: of my work and take charge and it's really difficult

795
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: to let go of being alpha when you're at home

796
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: as well, so it's hard to I'm probably hard to

797
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: deal with.

798
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: I guess.

799
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: My mom doesn't get my life either, as we mentioned before,

800
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: but my dad does, so like it's had benefits well

801
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: us closer probably and my mom and I further away.

802
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, relationships, I've got a lot of really great

803
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: relationships in racing though, Like my friends are all to

804
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: do with racing pretty much. But I would say that

805
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: my life is very insular and it's very much like

806
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: a traveling circus because I don't necessarily have a life

807
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: outside of racing, which is a very strange concept for

808
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: people to get the head around. But what's really really

809
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: scary is what do I do after racing.

810
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's good to know that

811
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: about yourself already. You don't necessarily have to have an

812
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: answer or a solution, but to be aware of it

813
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: now and start thinking about what it looks like when

814
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: racing isn't. You could still be an owner or a

815
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, work in the space without still racing yourself.

816
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: But what other aspects of life and who you are

817
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: do you want to explore when you have the time

818
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: for it. I'll just tell you personally, it was really

819
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: meaningful to me the old podcast that I used to host,

820
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: where I just had everybody from every walk of life

821
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: and industry that I was fascinated and interested in, and

822
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: talking to people who had major life disruptions, whether they

823
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: had a massive injury or illness, whether they were fired

824
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: from a job that they loved, some massive thing. And

825
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: I remember when I would talk to them and hear

826
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: the way they dealt with that, I would think, how

827
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: would I deal with something like that? And I realized, terribly,

828
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: terribly would have been the answer to a disruption of

829
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: the life that I had created and loved. And then

830
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: when I went from full time to part time at ESPN,

831
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: somewhere I had worked for thirteen years and thought I

832
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: would never leave. It was such a blow to my

833
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: identity because my identity was Sarah Spain from ESPN. And

834
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: I think it's useful to start doing that exercise with

835
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: yourself now of what would it look like if this

836
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: wasn't my every day, What would I want to do?

837
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: How I would I spend my time? Just you know,

838
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: so that whenever things change, you're already in a mindset

839
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: of like you'll be able to deal with it and

840
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: find the positive spin on it. That's my advice from

841
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: someone who got smacked up the side of the head

842
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: without warning.

843
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: I will absolutely do that.

844
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: I want to do a speed round quickly. I have

845
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: so many other questions for you, but we're running out

846
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: of time. So favorite race ever, Long Beach, Crum Prix, Awesome,

847
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: favorite car you got to race.

848
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: Champ called the Indy Car back in the day when

849
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: it was big and burlliant, loads of power.

850
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: Dream car you'd want to have, just to like tool around.

851
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: Town pushed heabm hmm.

852
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Race you'd most like to compete in.

853
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: Them all twenty four or BATHFST twelve hours.

854
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: The racer you most look up to, current or anytime, anytime,

855
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: and Senna the goal you've set and have yet to reach,

856
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: win the Indy five hundred mm hmm. How often is

857
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: a race decided by the car and at the driver.

858
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: All the time?

859
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, the guys at the back are

860
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: working way harder than the guys at the front because

861
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: the car is so much better. So I would say

862
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: that that is a really good question because it's a

863
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: common misconception that the drivers at the back are the

864
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: worst drivers.

865
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: That is absolutely not the case.

866
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wonder how you deal with that, Like

867
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: you're participating in a sport that not only could be

868
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: so unpredictable because another driver's error could take you out,

869
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: but also I know in the twenty twenty three and

870
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: five hundred your race ended due to engine failure. That

871
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with.

872
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: You, right right, the car wasn't capable of running up

873
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: front either, so it was almost like it was inevitable

874
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: that we were going to have a bad day. That's

875
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: a bad way of looking at it, but it kind

876
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: of was. So you always want to prove yourself. You

877
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: have to prove yourself in the in the bad equipment

878
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: bad But like the second lassid so that you can

879
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: then move up and you can interesting.

880
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, that's it's like having a teammate that lets

881
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: you kind of but all the blame goes to you. Oh,

882
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, Like I always say, I could

883
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: never play the sports where I'm only on the field

884
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: for like offense and then the defense takes over because

885
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ah, you're sucking it up. Let me

886
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: get out there. Like I just way too much control

887
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: issues for that.

888
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: So when we do Daytona twenty four hours and this

889
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: sports car racist that we do endurance racing in, we

890
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: have teammates, right, and it is exactly the same.

891
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: And I am exactly the same as you. I'm a

892
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: control freak.

893
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: And when somebody else is in the car, I'm on

894
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: the radio go why are they doing that?

895
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: What are they doing it? Tell them this?

896
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: Do that. I don't know how you do it. Do

897
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: you have to do therapy or exercises to process how

898
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: to look at your performance independent of whether the equipment

899
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: or your pit crew or something else happened that made

900
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: the race go wrong.

901
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: No, And I think therapy is a relatively new concept

902
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: in sports, Like back in the day when I was

903
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: learning it, was kind of like, suck it up and

904
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 2: get on with that, right, and now they're is. Sports

905
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: psychologist are very helpful and I have seen one a

906
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: few times in the past and it helped an enormous amount.

907
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: Gloria was her name, and she was amazing.

908
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: And I think you learn ways of doing it yourself

909
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: that you can then carry on a bit like physical training,

910
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: like we have to physically train really hard, and so

911
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: you learn after a while what works for you and

912
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: what doesn't work for you.

913
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 3: And it's the same with mental training.

914
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: I imagine the same goes for getting back in a

915
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: car after a crash. You had a really terrible crash

916
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: at the two thousand and six Champ Car Race at

917
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: Road America. What does that feel like? Does it slow down?

918
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Does it speed up? Are you processing it? Are you

919
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: blacking out like in that moment? What's it like?

920
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: Terrifying? I've had a few. I think I'm like a

921
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: cat with nine lives, and I think I've used that

922
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: most of them. But what happened in that particular crash

923
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: was the rear wing. So on an open wheel car,

924
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of downforce, and so you know

925
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: what makes an aeroplane take off, there's like the uplift

926
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: from the wings. Well we have the same but the

927
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: opposite way around. So it's pushing us into the TIREMAC

928
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: pushing the tire into the track surface, and those things

929
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: generate over one thousand pounds of pressure on the tire,

930
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: so you can imagine how much weight is on there.

931
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 2: So mine broke and I picked up an enormous amount

932
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: of speed because you don't have all that drag and

933
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: that downfall gravity right exactly, And so I.

934
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: Just remember thinking, what the what the what?

935
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: But by the time I thought that, I was one

936
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour into the wall and I was

937
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: climbing a fence and I remember kept my eyes open.

938
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: It was the first big crash I ever had, and

939
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: I remember seeing the engine flying around and I was like, oh,

940
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: that's good because fire and fire is terrifying in a

941
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: race car.

942
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: That is the biggest thing.

943
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: I think you can get your head around breaking bones,

944
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: but for me, I don't. I would assume that it's

945
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: the same for everybody, but I don't really know that.

946
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: I think the thought of fire and the thought of

947
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Bernie is.

948
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: At its terrible or I think it's universal.

949
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I saw that happen, I'm like, oh, nippie.

950
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: But then I started to roll and I started to

951
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: hit my head on the ground because in those times

952
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: they didn't have the halo and all the safety equipment,

953
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: and I thought, this is it.

954
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: This how ends.

955
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to break my neck. But I came to

956
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: rest upside down. I pushed a radio button, thinking that

957
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: that would still work. Of course it didn't. It was

958
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: probably two hundred yards up the track and I said,

959
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: tell my dad I'm okay, because my dad was there

960
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: and I wanted to, you know, I knew it was

961
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: horrific and I wanted him to think that it was okay.

962
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: But the safety crew were amazing. The cars were really strong,

963
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: and they were already as I was crashing, they were

964
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: on the track and they were getting to me, and

965
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: they took me to the med center, and in typical

966
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: brit style, I came out of the med center like

967
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: a bit banged up but fine, and I was like,

968
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: I'll be okay after a cup of tea.

969
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Wow, did you have to go through a lot to

970
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: get back behind the wheel or was it just no?

971
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: They put me back in a car four days later

972
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: to make sure that I still had I know, right,

973
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I think if it had been

974
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: my fault and I had caused it, I would have

975
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: thought about it very differently. But because it was just

976
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: this anomaly thing that broke, it was.

977
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: Your damn teammate again, letting you down, letting me down.

978
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: But I had to come to Jesus with my dad

979
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: about it too, because my dad. I had never seen

980
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: my dad cry before and that was the first time.

981
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: And he said, Catherine, for fifteen minutes, I didn't know

982
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: whether you.

983
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: Were dead or alive. I was like, oh my goodness.

984
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: So I said, listen, I'm doing what I love and

985
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: if anything bad happens to me, it's not because you

986
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: got me into racing. It's not anything because of you,

987
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: Like I love it and it's my fault and that

988
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: you dare blame yourself kind of thing.

989
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: So that was cool to clearly air.

990
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: Okay, last question for your biggest pet peeve with drivers

991
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: on the average American.

992
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: Road left hand lane doing the same speed or a

993
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: block and like move out of the left lane. The

994
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: left lane is for passing, like it should be a

995
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: system kind of ran here, like slower cars keep to

996
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: the right lane. And then if you get a little

997
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: bit faster in the middle lane, and then if you're

998
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: going faster than that going the fast lane, you should

999
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: not be just going in the fast lane and sitting

1000
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: there and doing sixty five miles an hour and seven

1001
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: to limit drives me absolutely potty.

1002
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I completely agree, because also for me,

1003
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: everything is a race, just like you, and so I

1004
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: might get out of my way either you're going fast

1005
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: or getting out of my way. Do you get a

1006
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of speeding tickets?

1007
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: I don't, luckily, because I have my eyes peeled all

1008
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: the time, and obviously ESTHS has been limits. But it's

1009
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: funny you mentioned that. So I'm gonna ask you a question.

1010
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: So I do this in everyday life, Like I'm getting

1011
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: on a plane, I'm like the most efficient way, the

1012
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: fastest way to get there. It's the same going around

1013
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: a grocery store, everything, and it impacts every aspect of

1014
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: your life.

1015
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: Do you do the same thing.

1016
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a serious problem.

1017
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: It is.

1018
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: I always say that my competitiveness served me so well

1019
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: as an athlete and now just as a normal human.

1020
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: It does nothing for me except for make me sort

1021
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: of insufferable at times.

1022
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Right, and people don't get it, and then we get

1023
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: annoyed with the people because they don't.

1024
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: Get it, because I'm like, you're not being efficient right, Yeah,

1025
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you do this better? Here's the

1026
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: perfect system I've laid out to how to do this

1027
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: quickly and efficiently. Get out of my way on the sidewalk,

1028
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: get out of my way on the road, get out

1029
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: of my way at the store, do this the way

1030
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I said over here, and then it will be better. Yeah,

1031
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: it's so much same, so lifelong process, Catherine, for everybody,

1032
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: not for everybody, for us. Yeah, but how are.

1033
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: We going to get over that so we can have normal,

1034
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: healthy relationships where we're not seeing everything as a competition.

1035
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what's helping. Just getting old

1036
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: is slowing me down and making it harder for me

1037
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: to try to do everything as quickly and efficiently. It

1038
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: was so great to talk to you. We can't wait

1039
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: to listen to more of your new podcast. Thanks so

1040
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: much for taking some time to chat with us.

1041
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on.

1042
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Thanks to Catherine for joining us. Could I talk for

1043
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: a while longer? Really fascinating stuff. I learned a ton

1044
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: We have to take another quick break when we return. Finally,

1045
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: a FIFA decision we can get behind. Welcome back slices.

1046
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: You know, we love that you're listening, but we want

1047
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: you to get in the game every day too, So

1048
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: here's our good game play of the day. Listen to

1049
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: Catherine's podcast, Throttle Therapy. We'll link to where you can

1050
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: subscribe in our show notes and check out her next race,

1051
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: the Daytona five hundred on February fifteenth, or she'll be

1052
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: racing a stock car and she also plans to do

1053
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: the Memorial Day double this year, racing in the Indy

1054
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: five hundred and the Coca Cola six hundred on the

1055
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: same day. She would be the first woman to attempt it.

1056
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: So listen to her show and keep tabs on what

1057
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: she's up to. And listen to Full Circle, a new

1058
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: iHeart women's sports podcast hosted by Los Angeles Sparks gard

1059
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Speaker 1: Lexi Brown and sports media personality Mariah Rose. It premieres today.

1060
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Speaker 1: They're giving you the inside scoop on what's happening in

1061
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: the WNBA and college basketball, discussing their wide ranging playing experiences,

1062
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: giving you day to day news around the women's hoops world,

1063
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Speaker 1: and talking about the culture at large. Plus, fans will

1064
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: get an inside perspective because Lexi's playing in the upcoming

1065
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited season. Once you finish our episode today, go

1066
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: tap in link to that pod is in our show

1067
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Speaker 1: notes too. We always love to hear from you, so

1068
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Speaker 1: hit us up on email. Good game at Wondermedia Network

1069
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Speaker 1: rate and review. It's easy watch. FIFA is suspending Panama Football

1072
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: Federation president Manuel Arius after he called national team player

1073
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: Marta Cox fat and out of shape, rating five out

1074
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: of five. Yeah, that's how a governing body should work.

1075
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Review this guy. What a great a douche. Here's how

1076
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: things went down. Per the Athletic Cox was transparent with

1077
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: reporters about a perceived lack of facilities in Panama in

1078
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: the wake of the country's twenty twenty four CONCACAF w

1079
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: Goldcup group stage exit. Unhappy with Cox's remarks, Manuel Arius

1080
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: told reporters of Cox quote, she's out of shape, she's fat,

1081
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Speaker 1: she couldn't move on the pitch. It's very easy to talk,

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Speaker 1: but she doesn't know anything about the Panama League for years.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know what's going on here. End quote. FIFA

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Speaker 1: sanction came down, Arius called his own comments quote very

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Speaker 1: unfortunate language end quote, a very serious mistake. End quote.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're damn right. We're so far past

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Speaker 1: the days when bullying athletes was acceptable. And good on

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Speaker 1: Cocks for saying what needed to be said about their resources.

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Speaker 1: Clearly she struck a nerve. Now it's your turn, rate

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Speaker 1: Aurora app ceplayer Morgan Stone and team co founder Andrea

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Speaker 1: Full Circle podcast you England for colonizing our soccer players.

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