WEBVTT - Big Hits and Politics feat. Robert Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>Get Get Boys. It's back and reoaded all in your mind. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that deep throating. This is for the streets, the reel,

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<v Speaker 1>the railroading, the distant franchise, the truth escape building. And

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<v Speaker 1>they ain't know wing. We speak the truth, so they

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<v Speaker 1>ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coach,

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<v Speaker 1>the g b my tree keeping your head bobbing. It

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<v Speaker 1>ain't no stopping and wants to be drips head by.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the system is so corrupt they throw the

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<v Speaker 1>rock out of their heads and then blame it on us.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get it twisted on code and me and danceing

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<v Speaker 1>for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces

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<v Speaker 1>in the building. Collectively we are the ghetto Boys. Reloaded,

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<v Speaker 1>Reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help

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<v Speaker 1>you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Wilson Jr. Say, Man, how does a guy from

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<v Speaker 1>Worth in high school make it to the NFL? You

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<v Speaker 1>was drafted in the third round by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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<v Speaker 1>It pick overall, sir, How do you how do you

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<v Speaker 1>get that? Because you're straight from the hood, man, You

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<v Speaker 1>just like us you're at the hood and more specifically

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<v Speaker 1>from brad neighborhood, South Park, three Wood right Blue Ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>All that is. Uh, So I had to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to where I was born, born in Germany and military

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<v Speaker 1>parents born in Germany. Stay there for till I was

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<v Speaker 1>three years old, came back to Sunday Side, went back

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany till I was eight, and uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's I always love football, man. Because we had one

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<v Speaker 1>channel that were play uh American football game, So I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was hooked as soon as I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was Eric Metcalf's dad that I would always see,

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Mattcalf. He was playing for the Cardinals at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was my first That was my first NFL hero.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it was O j Then it was Earl Campbell

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<v Speaker 1>because I was running back. So I patted myself after

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<v Speaker 1>those guys. As far as playing football and h being

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<v Speaker 1>in the military. My dad, uh, as far as work ethic,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he in't still that in me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people like okay, so get in the truck. I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>like he said the old Domadan bowing. He said, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when the dominant got the three miles, He's like, all right, son,

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<v Speaker 1>I see at the house, you're running even walk, So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in i herd to get back to the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go ahead and run, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And and so just you know that having that work ethic,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to go to Denver and train in the summertime,

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you at this time? I'm fourteen, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen at that time, So at what point did you

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<v Speaker 1>guys moved to the South side of Houston. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>We was always here with my mom. Uh. After we

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<v Speaker 1>came back from that last uh trip to Germany, my

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<v Speaker 1>parents got divorced and my father ended up retiring in Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to make a decision. Well, not only that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>my mother and my sister. My mother and my two

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and my nephew got in a horrible car right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I lost my mom. Man, Yeah, I lost my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>lost my sister, and my nephew. M my older sister lived.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already here that brow, So I had to I

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<v Speaker 1>had to make decision on either going to Denver and

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<v Speaker 1>then with my dad. I'm being raised by my grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of us were in the hood. So

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<v Speaker 1>I I thought about it, and I based I based

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<v Speaker 1>it totally on football. I said, Man, they ain't playing

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<v Speaker 1>no football in Denver, you know what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, the I'm gonna stay here and I'm staying

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<v Speaker 1>with my grandparents. So that's that's kind of where that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I made a decision to stay in Blue Ridge

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<v Speaker 1>and be raised by my grandparents. And definitely don't regret

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<v Speaker 1>that because she was my grandmother, was mine. I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I was telling Brad, my grandmother was was my

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<v Speaker 1>h biggest fan, you know, And you did your sister

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<v Speaker 1>make a full recovery? No? No, they shook up, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and she ended up, you know, the lack of a

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<v Speaker 1>better word, on crack. You know, she ended up on crack.

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<v Speaker 1>But but she she overcame a physical injuries, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was never able to overcome emotionally because she saw the

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<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the accident. Oh my goodness. She was still

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<v Speaker 1>stood outside the car and saw everything. So that's absolutely heartbreaking. Man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was so And that's when I found That's when

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<v Speaker 1>I found out, man. You know, I was young, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, um, Andre Kelly, and um. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>preacher that lived across the street and he was preaching

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<v Speaker 1>one day right before his sermon, he said, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, you might see me in my front

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<v Speaker 1>yard waving, but nobody's passing by. And that's when zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like zoom to me. That's what let me know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if something else, it's a higher power, somebody else is

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of things. Because you know, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out. And how long did it take you

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<v Speaker 1>from the time that your family was died in that

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<v Speaker 1>greg to figure that out? Uh? That moment that you

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<v Speaker 1>were at church and you got that you had that

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<v Speaker 1>epiphany what it was about. It happened when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like eleven twelve, and I figured it out when I

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<v Speaker 1>was like about a year later. Because I I, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, I dove into sports. Sports was my relief,

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<v Speaker 1>my getaway. N did you know what, okay, Coach Blair, Yeah, man, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Coach rose bro I didn't have nothing. Coach Roseboro took

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<v Speaker 1>me to the store and bought me shoes to play basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be damn coach Glad. Coach Rosenberg, Uh Russian Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Harris Coach Harris. Coach Harris had the store in Hellwood,

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<v Speaker 1>Harris Store. Guess what he taught me? He taught me

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<v Speaker 1>how to drive. I'll be damned. He would say every day,

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<v Speaker 1>every morning, Wilson gonna move to my car. I'm at Woodson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Wilson gonna move to my car.

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<v Speaker 1>So in essence, he taught me how to drive, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But he knew. Those those coaches back then, they were

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<v Speaker 1>they were developed developmental coaches. They don't have that now, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>And they realized back then that it took a village man,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody was involved in the upbringing of those children

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<v Speaker 1>that went to those schools back then. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen this Russian and coach Blair a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I do get a chance to see, like

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<v Speaker 1>the older teachers that that taught me in school, the

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<v Speaker 1>coaches that coached me in school, man, I always tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. You know, looking at my life, she could

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<v Speaker 1>went either way, and they kept a foot on my

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<v Speaker 1>neck and made sure that I walked that path. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>even even even even though I did drop out of

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<v Speaker 1>school because you know, life happens and the career started,

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<v Speaker 1>they were still very instrumental in me being who I

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<v Speaker 1>am today. And know those teachers, man, we appreciate them

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<v Speaker 1>and I respect him for that because absolutely good teachers. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, just now, man, going back, my girdfather,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a Baptist minister, died in a house five

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<v Speaker 1>and he died trying to save his wife. And I

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment, man, I was like, I question the

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of God. I drilled, how are you? How

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<v Speaker 1>are you? I was fourteen, fourteen, fourteen, fifteen. I was

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen when that happened. So I'm fifteen and I'm mad, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mad for real because I'm thinking, Man, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know any people that's more godly than these people. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>who was more deserving of aging with grace and and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, seeing their life go the distance and die naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for them to die in such a horrific manner.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was really really hot, So you never

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<v Speaker 1>felt that way. And when your your mother died and

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<v Speaker 1>your sister died and no, I didn't have time. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean by that? I didn't have time. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have time, but you were playing sports. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have time to question when it had happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when I when I heard the preachers say, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>be in my yard waving and nobody's passing by? What

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean to you? That means that if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in my yard waving and nobody's passing by, I'm my

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<v Speaker 1>hand is to God. Mhm mhmm. Okay, that my hand

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<v Speaker 1>is to God. That's the only that's that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>other person entity or whatever that I could be dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with it that what what's your relationship now with your

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<v Speaker 1>surviving sister? Actually, man, she's doing great. My dad just

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<v Speaker 1>this year moved up back to Denver. She's uh, blenders

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<v Speaker 1>her name. She's uh, she's working again. She never had

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<v Speaker 1>a time, she never had a problem working. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting out of the hood, you know, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of problem ain't getting out of the hood. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>like Bernie Max said, man, we are all our families

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<v Speaker 1>got problems, and all our families might have had somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that that was on drugs, you know. But for for

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<v Speaker 1>me to see that up close and personal, you know

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<v Speaker 1>they you know how how that drug made people do

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<v Speaker 1>things to their families, you know, like they didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know him. I've seen I've seen crack cocaine rent wives.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen me and rent their wives for a hit

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<v Speaker 1>of crack. It ain't this ain't nothing that I heard.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that I actually saw man prostitute his

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<v Speaker 1>wife out for some dopey But do you know see

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<v Speaker 1>mothers prostitute their daughters. That it's cold blooded? Man. But

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<v Speaker 1>now but now fast forward, fitting on, hey man, that's

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<v Speaker 1>fitting on. But but but but see it wasn't it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a tragic epidemic. Crack wasn't that. Crack wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a tragic epidemic. It was like, oh, we just dropped

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<v Speaker 1>it in the hood. Let them deal with it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the tragic epidemic to them. To them. But now since

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<v Speaker 1>it's affecting a certain group, now it's tragic. Now, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta make laws to stop it. And you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's you know, it's it's it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>level five or whatever drug. And what baffles me is,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember that you remember the drug sentencing guidelines

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<v Speaker 1>when it came to crack and then when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to powder. What's the difference in the two? Excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>besides the banking. So you know, the trip part about

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<v Speaker 1>it is that you would think that because because cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>in its purest form is more deadly, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think that the time would be stiffer, or if

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<v Speaker 1>they just be it would just be possession of cocaine. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, if if you if you're gonna make a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the sentencing guidelines, you know you're gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>one is one is more harsher than the other. You

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<v Speaker 1>would think that they would say, Okay, since this is

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<v Speaker 1>the purest form we get, we you can we catch

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<v Speaker 1>you with this. You're gone, you know, but it's now

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<v Speaker 1>now this is the black us. We're gonna hit you hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of that that, you know, these people

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<v Speaker 1>hear you. Yeah, you got, you got, you get five

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<v Speaker 1>years ten years probation for a keylo cocaine and a

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<v Speaker 1>life sentence for a dime rock. Yeah, I mean it's well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm exaggerating, but it's still sick though. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I think it was Robin Williams that said, here's

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<v Speaker 1>your cocaine, here's your baking part. You gotta cook this

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<v Speaker 1>ship yourself ship. Being in the NFL, you've seen a lot, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you NFL pretty much don't get any bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that. Like, that's that's the ultimate floor, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>dance for many that's the dance. That's the dance for

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<v Speaker 1>so so I'm sure that there were times when you

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<v Speaker 1>walked into rooms and they said, here it is, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>have at it. How do you respond the first time

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<v Speaker 1>you walked in that? What? What? What was it like

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, because I'm I'm I just assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>you had to walk it into at least one room

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<v Speaker 1>and see that and go like you have to make

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<v Speaker 1>a choice. Uh, not really, man, it was more you

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<v Speaker 1>never seen that. You never never seen that. I never

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<v Speaker 1>seen that. It was but how many times have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen it in the entertainment I'm talking to you, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but how many times you never said that I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a few times it was. It was more, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that was it was just more of the

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<v Speaker 1>all the guys with the women for me. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was like, hey, if you live in

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<v Speaker 1>apartment complex, there's one guy He's like, hey, man, get

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<v Speaker 1>your ass over here. So I go over there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>wide open, everybody buck naked. You know what I'm saying.

0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Said ship like that. But other than that, But and

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<v Speaker 1>then the weed man, we were smoking weeds, you know,

0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in junior high. No, but I'm trying in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>In the league, man, we I used to twist my

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<v Speaker 1>ship up and put it in my suitcase because we

0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>went through the we went through uh uh private airports.

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<v Speaker 1>You think it ever affected your performance, like in a

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<v Speaker 1>negative way? No, because it it was kind of vibe.

0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Did he give you when you smoke weed? Uh? When

0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I smoked weed, gives it com when you smoke weed.

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<v Speaker 1>When you smoke weed back there, it's the same. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the same. It's it's calming, you know, because you know

0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like this man. Uh, I saw Tony Dorset do

0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a thing about his his head, his traumatic head injury, right,

0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.560
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, and he said, and this is what

0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.080
<v Speaker 1>this shook me up. And I started treating my kids

0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.920
<v Speaker 1>different after I saw that. Yeah, he said, uh, he

0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.320
<v Speaker 1>said his kids, his daughters were petrified. Was scared of him.

0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I saw this for thirty or some that was.

0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And he said, he said, the the mood swings, you know,

0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the violent moon swings, and you know, and cocaine to me,

0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 1>rob but I'm just I'm just saying, but go ahead. No,

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's from it's from head. Yeah, and then

0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, you go we go from that's why people

0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.880
<v Speaker 1>people to see these kids, the NFL players run through

0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.200
<v Speaker 1>doors all of a sudden, and and and this and that.

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.200
<v Speaker 1>That's because all your life you were talked to go.

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.720
<v Speaker 1>You had to be you know, you had to be

0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.159
<v Speaker 1>from zero to one hundred in the instant. Yeah, you

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.199
<v Speaker 1>had to be damn you know, you had to be

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a little crazy. You had to be. Dis Imagine, I'm

0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.919
<v Speaker 1>running and I'm running from behind me twenty yards and

0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.560
<v Speaker 1>my job is to not slow down and running the

0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.560
<v Speaker 1>running the brat ship. That would be like you know

0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.879
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. And that's and that's what you and

0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what your job is based on, you know. So

0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what it is. Man. And I saw that

0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in myself with my kids. By you know, I'm going

0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.320
<v Speaker 1>there in the room not clean. Oh yeah, hey did

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you did you play with two tall Jones? No? No, no.

0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Willie Man said that that guy is seventy years old, bro,

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and he looked like he about forty six Max. Yeah,

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.119
<v Speaker 1>he looked like man. That man, that man is in

0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 1>great shape. Man. He moving around just two tall too

0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.240
<v Speaker 1>tall Jones man, class act man, good dude man. He

0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.960
<v Speaker 1>played with rogerck Thomas, correct rogerck Thomas got some ship

0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.800
<v Speaker 1>going on with him bull with with with his with

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.200
<v Speaker 1>his head from the uh bro. He said he went

0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.199
<v Speaker 1>into Walmart and he bought groceries and they said they

0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.560
<v Speaker 1>got all the way home before he realized that he

0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the grocers in the car. Like Willie's serious. Man,

0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.760
<v Speaker 1>They boy, what's the kid named that that they say

0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:47.240
<v Speaker 1>killed his friend? Uh hernandez bro saying he was when

0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.200
<v Speaker 1>they looked at his head to say he was going

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.760
<v Speaker 1>through ship when he was when he was at when

0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.960
<v Speaker 1>he was at the University of Miami and they interviewed

0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.359
<v Speaker 1>him in the in the locker room. Yeah, he was.

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fucking soldier the fund. You asked me that

0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.600
<v Speaker 1>for you know, that's when I knew the right thing.

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I said, Okay, Junior, say out but but now and

0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.359
<v Speaker 1>see like say, oh is somebody on the other end

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of the spectrum. Yeah, but but to where his his

0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 1>brain problems. He dealt with it. But once you so

0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the thing is, man and for y'all are to be

0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.679
<v Speaker 1>putting the mic down, But for us is when you

0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:34.600
<v Speaker 1>take that helmet off, you cannot replace that. You cannot

0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.240
<v Speaker 1>replace that. No, it's nothing that's why Dan Passerini drove,

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.680
<v Speaker 1>uh the sports cars. You know he's racing cars and

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 1>what happened with Dan Pastorini? No, but that's why he did.

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.520
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to replace I just saw him in the

0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.240
<v Speaker 1>golf turn. Yeah. No, he's fine, but he but he

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.959
<v Speaker 1>but we try to replace that, We try to replace

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.879
<v Speaker 1>that feeling of being inside that helmet. And you can't,

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't. You know so um, but that's

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 1>why Junior say when he killed himself, he shot himself

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>in the chest. Come on, and he left he left

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a note that says, checked my brain. Wow, we're talking

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 1>about CT and and CT stands for chronic traumatic what

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 1>what's that? Cephaliza and something like I don't even know. Man,

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:30.120
<v Speaker 1>let me look at this ship. No, no, no no, it's

0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's exceptful. I'm just gonna lock except But but

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what, it's so crazypathy something that's cephalopathy and

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:52.880
<v Speaker 1>cephalopathy cephalopathy, chronic traumatic and cephalic cephalopathy. But but yeah,

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but the problem whatever that means that that's when, that's when,

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that's when that's uh, that's a disease in your brain

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>that that that that is that is caused by uh

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:16.400
<v Speaker 1>trauma like trauma. Blood, trauma like toxic blood in your

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 1>in your brain, toxic blood. And then what's he not?

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 1>The tragedy about the ct E is they can't they

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 1>can't detect it until you're dead. I thought you're ready

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 1>to break some bread though they have been. So this

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>is what happened. We found out there's a thing called

0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.560
<v Speaker 1>raising normally. Say that again, what does that mean? That

0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>means me and you and Willie. So it was a

0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>white boyshting right here. We are inherently not smart. So

0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 1>they went ahead and paid all the white boys. Cut

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 1>that ship out with the concussion ship. Yeah it's race Norman. Yeah,

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it just came out. So why why did not? Why

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 1>did they get paid the white boys? Because race Norman

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 1>means that we are Norman. Like you're making that normal

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 1>race Norman. It's like we So they're saying because we

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.720
<v Speaker 1>get out knew there's not it don't matter because we

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:29.880
<v Speaker 1>already seriously seriously, yes, man looked that up. Man shot

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.159
<v Speaker 1>man I man I man I all the ass got

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to go to hill something like that. Bro, Like people

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 1>are like myself, I played fullback. I should get money

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.600
<v Speaker 1>just off my fan us a block. I'm head in

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 1>college and in the pro I'm sucking. I'm crash test

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 1>dumb me, Holy ship, whole ship. I'm a crash test

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 1>dumb me on the motherfucker kickoff team. Oh god, damn

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you see that will Oh it's gonna be exposed. The

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>NFL is race nor me. Are you kidding me? Yeah? Man,

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Now they got to cut the chick. They got they

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 1>got to chick. But let's see, they wait, they wait

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>for us to die, man, because are our age? What's

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 1>it called when you die at a certain age? It's

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 1>fifty five? Oh god damn you know, so we we're

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>coming over at fifty five? How well, biggerl I've seen bigger,

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I've seen too talk big Hall is big girl now

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, but yeah there's some people don't live. But

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you got to think about big Girl. Man, Damn my

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>live U life. I don't. I love you Big Girl.

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.439
<v Speaker 1>So so uh, it's it's it's it's crazy man, because

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and then like me, I didn't make no millions and

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars when I when I retired, but she

0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 1>was a hero to us though, no, no, I'm staying.

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>But when I didn't make millions of millions of dollars. So, uh,

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>we had this, We had a four one k okay,

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you could get some you can get some of your

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>money out of penalty at forty five, right, which I

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't at the time. And then you get all over

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the fifty five and they talked about all these programs

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>they got to help us transition out the game. Motherfucker,

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>give me my money just then, I'm transition transition smoothfu. Yeah,

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>give me my ship that I put in into this ship.

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. So who holding their nuts

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>on the bag? Who specifically? What the give me somebody name?

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Good deal? It's good deal, you dirty low down son.

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>But then and then, but then they put my boy,

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Troy Vincent up under him as a player Rep. Blufford,

0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>so that y'all don't go in so hard because it's

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a brother. It's a brother. And I played with him

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>in Miami, Be played with him, Richmond, Richmond Way played

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.239
<v Speaker 1>with him. You know, Damn, man, y'all went through too

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>much ship man, I'm talking about God, Damn, I'm talking

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 1>about these injuries. Man. So I So it was like

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>four or five years ago. So, uh, one of the

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>receivers was taking a shot in his ass. What the fund?

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And I said, man, what is that? He says, tore it?

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Doll man, get you one. I said, okay, So I

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>looked it up after you after the is a this

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 1>ship is a post surgery pain reliever and and and

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>anti inflammatory. No, it just it just it was the

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>anti inflammatory value that was helping supposed to be helping us.

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But we're taking toward doll shots before the game and

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>any any hill, any hill of a drug that you

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>needed to play. They was given the tour. You know,

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>they don't talk about that in the concussion ship Perkas said,

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>ship man. Come on, man, oh my god, they need

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to hear this man. They's giving us all that ship man,

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>all that ship bro. They and and and and it

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't stop. Who is giving this stuff? The team? Doctors,

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>team doctor. They had a saying you can't make the

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>club and the tub, you can't make the club in

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the What wow? So these uh particular doctors are brought

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>to you guys by the NFL. Yeah, the doctors or

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>does a team hire the doctor? Team have the doctors?

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll be there and then and and the coaching staff

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>in the in the in the in the front office,

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>they all know about this ship. They all know that

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>they sticking you out with all kinds of ship to

0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>get you all to play, get the product on the field. Basically,

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>uh crash, dumb cattle back then, back then, basically slaves.

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And I was gonna ask you, what do you think

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>about that comment that Cat made about NFL players basically

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>being slaves. Yeah, I think I think he's he's right, man,

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 1>because right now, so this is what this is my

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>thing with it. If you if you, if if the

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>NFL players knew the power that they have, and and

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 1>it's the only thing. Remember Will Smith did I don't

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>when he slapped Chris Rock. Okay, so Will Smith? That

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>was live TV? Right. I love Chris Rock, But Will

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Smith shut down live TV. The NFL players have the

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>power to shut down live TV. So now we're in

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the locker room right now. We played for the Dolphins.

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>The game is supposed to start at one. We're not

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.719
<v Speaker 1>going out there. God damn. If the game start at

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>one and so one o'clock hit, guess guess who phone's

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna be ringing? The owner. It's gonna take the owners

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>off of us and put it on the owner. Now,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the owner Toyota and fucking Derito's. They called, hey, man,

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we paid three million dollars for the first spot on

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the on the Sunday game at one o'clock and the

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>game didn't start. What the fun out doing? That's all

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 1>they got to do. But they don't know what their

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>power is. You know, they don't know what They're happy

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to be. They're happy to be getting the money that

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>they're getting. It's more, it's more guaranteed ship doing their way.

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>But they don't understand the power and the leverage they had. Man,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>if you shut down live TV, it's a rap. What

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do arrest. I think some of these guys

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>do understand their power. They just they just don't want

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to exercise their power because their college. You know, some

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I disagree now. I do believe that a lot of

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>these guys are just collars. And then there are those

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>There are those who say, well, you know, I would

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>do it, but I'm not gonna just be out here

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>all by myself now. And I believe that part. I

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>don't think. I think too. I think two things can

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>be betwit at the same time. And I do believe

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that just like you got college in other industries. You

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>have college in sports also. I just don't think I

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>think I think that everybody. I think if everyone got

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>on the same accord, you know, if everybody was like,

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, when the clock strike twelve fifty nine,

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we're locked in the locker room, but we're not going

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Everybody got to go there. Everybody got to say it,

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>we're not going out. That's still gonna be just simple

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to where the game won't start, and the thing exactly

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>at four o'clock they do the same thing. So so

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>now you got to back back that up into the politics. Yeah,

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you see, what's gonna happen is that when you say, okay,

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>let's everybody get on the same court, what's gonna happen

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is that they're gonna go and they're gonna start searching

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>for the weakest links, the ones that they know that

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>they can get inside of their head and say, look,

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do this for you, And now this person

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be like, well, you know, I'm looking at for myself.

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>It happens on it, Yeah, it happens all the time.

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how that's how you penetrate, just going find the

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>weakest link. So back in my rookie year. That's what

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>this is, what this is, what the politicis. This is

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>when I first saw it. I was blocking for Reggie

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Carb r I p he died a couple of years ago,

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>one of my best friends. Damn think about him every day, man.

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>So I'm blocking a Reggie car December twenty second. Cobb

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>has a contract that says if he gets a thousand yards,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>he's a free agent. He gets he gets to leave.

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Sorry as Tampa, you know, and we all hope praying

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that they get it right. So we're flying, were flying

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the temple. They reduced his with reps. First player the

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>game to lay draw Paul getting nine yards now here

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>at nine eighty right, I'll get back to the huddle.

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm looking at that. I'm like, and instead

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of Car, it's Gary Anderson. I said, due, what's up?

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>What's Car? He said, I don't know. He's hurt. I

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>don't think so ready break boom. Never put him back

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>in the game. Go damn. That's how that's that's why

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>when you watch football games and you see people that

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't think it's hurt, but they're not playing, that's

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>why they own the bench. Because it's people's job to

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>keep up with them numbers. Man, it's people's job. That

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>said called down there on that phone and say, hey, man,

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>when the defendi get the defense get playing time and

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>that comes with a million dollar bonus, set them down.

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Tell him about some ass whoopings on that day, some

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>talking about talking about talking about the owner getting his

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>ass whooped in front of national television. Man, I'm not

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>playing it by my money, man, But look so then

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>so so it was twofold. So now they sucked over

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>car with his thousand and he out of Tampa because

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.479
<v Speaker 1>we're three and thirteen at the two and thirteen at

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the time, getting ready to lose to Chicago. We end

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>up three and thirteen. Now I'm not a rookie foollback

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>blocking four thousand yard Russia. So that up, that sucked

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>me over. Yeah, yeah, you know. It also goes another

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>side to that corn is that when you signed these

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>incentive bonuses sometimes it's percentages. So like like you said,

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a percentage. So if I already got my percentage,

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to risk going out there trying to

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>catch the ball and end up dropping the ball, and

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>now my percentage go down. So you know if I'm

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna receive, if you receive, that's not well, no, no,

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>put it on. If they put it in the contract.

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Anything can be put in the contract. If they put

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>in the contract that I have to catch a certain

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>percentage of balls, like I gotta I gotta meet that

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>with it. They they slick with it because they don't

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>put it on catch it. So they'll they'll say every touchdown,

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you may will give your thousands, but they shoot it on.

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>They do it on they do it on basketball that

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will. But it's time. We're so

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>we're so competitive man, you know I played football. Like

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>we're so competitive man until I can't see us laying down,

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like we we and the

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>man don't carry the ball. If you if you break

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the line of scrimmage, we're gonna find you. We're gonna

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>break the last See. That's why you see when people

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>like it would be the end of the game and

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the coach tell that running back, hey man, get the ball.

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>They can't do it. Yeah, but they put it on

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>playing time. So if and the number played we played,

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>we placed uh forty, we played seventy two plays on offense,

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 1>you played fifty of them. That's over. So you made

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 1>your percentage on that. But you gotta do that for

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the whole season. You know, you gotta play forty of

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the plays to get that that incentive because the contract

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was incentive laden back then. You know, they didn't really

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and they wouldn't even let you reach it get it.

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't let you get it. Bow So now you're done.

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>So now that's that's early on. Then you come now

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you end up with this concussion ship. You know, average

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>average average uh salary of a rookie in in the

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>nineties a couple hundred thousand and something like that. Okay,

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and then when you get to be a pro bowler

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>five millions, you might go, you might go jump to

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>a million, but you're not You're not getting You're not

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>getting the money like that. That's what I'm saying. So

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>my story is I came, I got cut by Miami,

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and I had a good friend, Chico Nelson. He died,

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>he was the ballplayer. Uh. He came to my house

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 1>the day after I got cut. He said, Man, I

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>want you to meet these people in the South Beach. Okay,

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>that's going on down there. I ain't no problem going

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>South Beach. So man I went down there and he

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>introduced me to an artist named Royal Yakaba, and he

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>introduced me to two guys that ended up being my

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>best friends, Dave and Elliott Merlis. Okay, so from that meeting,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I got cut by the Dolphins one morning. The next morning,

0:35:54.640 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm selling sports art, selling sports art. The the man

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>took a devalue currency from all over the world and

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>made that as his collage. And then I would call

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>you that, Brad, send me your favorite action shot, Send

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>me your favorite action shot. In a week, I would

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>send you a one like this of what the painting

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>would look like. If you okay, the painting we're on

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the plane, just just money you're making we made I

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>was I didn't sell a painting for under four And

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's you and me and we grew

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>up rapping together, we grew up playing together. They weren't

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>doing it because of the painting. They're doing it because

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>because it was bull you know what I mean, just

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to support you know what I'm saying, So how

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>much money, but but how much money we're looking at,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>like in one year, what's the most you ever made

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>doing that. I mean, we made thirty in the first

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.959
<v Speaker 1>year doing that voice reloaded podcast to be right back

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>after the point and ninety three, you were inactive in

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the NFL, Right, what were you injured? Up? What was

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>going on? No? I just uh so when I went

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to Tampa, I got drafted by a coach that nobody

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>knows to this, Richard Williams che Williams R. I p.

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and fifteen. Hey, nobody knew him. So everybody

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>on that team that got released, nobody knew who you were.

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 1>In essence, you get drafted by Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy got

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 1>a job. You got a job. You went to University

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 1>of Miami. You got a job. And and and when

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy came to Miami, that should have turned into the

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>University of Miami off the streets. He left the Cowboys

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.320
<v Speaker 1>right there. He left the Cowboys and went to Miami,

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>came to Miami, and my contract happened to be up

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>when he came. He don't believe in paying veterans. He

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>got to play for Jimmy. I played for Jimmy one year,

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and you played for Don Shooting too, right, Yeah, shoo

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>shoot was the man or I loved on shooting. Shooler

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>brought me in, put me on the active roster so

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I can get all my money. I ain't doing them

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>but flying around and dressing like we dressed right now. Yeah,

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Shoola was a man. And then my my contract was up.

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>When when when Jimmy came and you know he, you

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>know he I could pay I could pay two rookies,

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what I could pay you, you know what

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, and groom him and like I wanted him

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't he didn't like Jimmy didn't necessarily like veterans,

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like a record label

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that no y'all know about the royalties and ship so

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna they're gonna face you out. They're gonna face you.

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>But I love I love up his coaching style. Man,

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Johns. Man, I'm telling Jimmy Johns din't play, man,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. So Jimmy knew the axes and the odes

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for real people around him. Jimmy has a degree in psychology.

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Jimmy knew how to motivate the players. Man.

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy went up on the board, he drew a you

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>drew a house. You dore a house with one window,

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and in that one window he put the thirteen in.

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>That motherfucker. He said, this is the house. Damn Marino

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>is the only motherfucker. And now together M like that.

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 1>And then uh a kid from Rice. My boy was

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a linebacker from Rice. He came up there performing on

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>special team, which I was. You know, me and him

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>played the same position on special team. So we're going

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. I'm making plays, he's making plays. So

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>we're watching the film and Jimmy Johnson. Everybody in the

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>building watch special teams. That's how much you put on

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that ship. All starters play special teams. Everybody the whole

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>team watched the special teams take. You know, So Larry

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>is oo is his name? And my boy I call

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>him is it because you know we're good friends. We

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>just happened to be playing the same position. Man, Larry

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 1>is a We're watching the film kick Off Return. He's

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>on the front line. I'm back in the wedge. He

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>peeled back, knocked his man down, got up, knock somebody

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 1>else down. Motherucker's Jimmy Johnson stopped the film. Man, that

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker said, Larry is the call your parents and tell

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.479
<v Speaker 1>him your Miami dolf. I'm like, oh, ship, what then

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I've been to do around this bit? Do you know

0:40:56.120 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 1>what I'm meaning? God? Damn? Yeah, man, oh fuck for

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>two blocks like that hustle like yeah, And he knew

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:06.919
<v Speaker 1>how to get it. He knew how to get into

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>your head. Yeah, you know. He was the first man

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I heard talking about the pack Melian theory. What the

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 1>fund is that if you keep, if you keep telling

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody that they are a thief? Eventually, what's pa Melian theory?

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Pag Malian dope? Something new every day? And uh so

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>so with him, I liked this coaching style, but I

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>was a veteran, so I didn't fit in his overall plan.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>If you put Jimmy and let's say Don Shuiler in

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the same situation with let's say an average team, which

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>one of those guys you think could compel that team

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to victory? I think it will be Uh. I think

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 1>it'll be Demmon because he's more of a motivator. Don

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Shula had us in that. Oh motherfucker's you know what

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:15.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying? That back the old back then was third

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and up uh nine up? Uh? Eric Green, you remember

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that Big Tight and Eric Green from from Play for

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the Steelers. Man, I watched I watched Eric Green every

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>game of the season. I walked through the locker room

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>for the game Boom, give me some of that hardcore

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>ship you listen to. And I would take him my

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>headphones because every week before the game he would have

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>to get his knee drained to play. It need be

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>swolled up full of fluid. Every week he got a

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's just the swelling of it. And then

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>we get on the planes right out of the game

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and all you know, all that pressure cold. God, you

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm telling you, brother, that ship is Yeah,

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. I saw the bus. Wasn't it William the

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>bus who played for Pittsburgh? Uh? Uh the bus, come on, bus,

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But I know bus. I know the bus. William his

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>name Shot. I can't think I'm the bus man. Hold on,

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>but what about it? So I saw a video of him.

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>He can't walk upstare, Yeah, like going through his daily routine.

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And man, the dude. So dude was getting out of

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>bed and it's his knees was snapped, crackling and pop

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and he and it took him seemed like it took

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.320
<v Speaker 1>him five minutes just to roll out of bed. Damn

0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing by the team, and I think he was steal

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 1>in his thirties. When when when I saw that video, Man,

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a big girl, and hey, how many

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>knee surgeries? Man? Now the thing with Miami, I got

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to see the best quarterback ever uploading person Dan Arena.

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm one of the two hundred and forty five

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>people they caught a touchdown from Damn Arena. You know,

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so so so I yeah, but it ended up being

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I got tossed out. But you caught three touchdowns from

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Damn Arena too, one, one, one, you know. But you

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>know so that that My time in Miami was good.

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>But now you have to go back to if you

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>don't retire in the team in the city where you played.

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>It's rough man. Even though me being from Houston. You

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, they're gonna with the Texans retirees

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.839
<v Speaker 1>before they work with me. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna. They're not gonna do that. So let's

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>go back to the paint. But but before you go further,

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 1>do you think that had anything to do with your

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>your lack of visibility in the city because you you know,

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.760
<v Speaker 1>you wasn't really out, you know, and about in the city.

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>You know when when when you were playing here are

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>in Houston? Yeah, like we didn't really see you out anywhere,

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like I saw a few times, but

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't under staying we really didn't see you. No,

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. And I think so if the people

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>don't see you like that, you know what I'm saying,

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>they may you know, that's a that tends to be

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 1>a bit of disconnect. And then and then you're right.

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>But then when I came back and saw what Santana

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 1>was doing in Houston, already we love you. What's up there? Bro?

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>When I sped Santana, I just dumped jumped from sale.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah boos having the baby. Oh I don't know, okay, Instagram,

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>I just I just is it on Instagram? But what's

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you know? You go to the back to the paintings

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and uh, my, my, my, my journey after football started

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>with the painting, right, So me and me and Dave

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 1>and Elliot Merlin's were sitting there like, man, you know

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>what if we can set at least my fucking painting,

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>so that The collection was called Money Players Players who

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>come through in the Clutch. So we're just like, man,

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>we could sell payton for twelve d hundred Eddie George

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>on when Eddie George did Cribs, we had a painting

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that was seven ft long and uh seven foot long

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.879
<v Speaker 1>and three ft wide and he was up on his

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>on his fireplace. It was him and he had it

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 1>was a college picture that we did. It was him

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and he had like nine people from Notre Dame chasing him,

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. So he was like, man, if we can

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 1>do this, let's let's knock this ship back to church

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and hats. So we launched Money Players clothing line, you know, man.

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>So me and the Day went down the garment district

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 1>in Miami and and got sourced to all that ship

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>out came out with the with the Money Players man,

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and the rest is history. And and and we did that.

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Then we shot a documentary on high school football down there,

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the Soul Bowl. We did uh Blanche Eli High School

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and dealing high school to the oldest black uh high

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>schools in for a lot of them. So we did that, uh.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And then so I came back to came back and

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 1>then my you know, my brother in law's Kevin Smith

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.399
<v Speaker 1>from the Cowboys, three times super Bowl champion, Pup Kevin

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Pup Smith. And so he called me, you know about

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the music business. He's like, man, come on down there.

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I was still in in Miami. He's like, man, come

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>on down to Houston. Man, I mean, come on down

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to Dallas. Mane you can you can, you know, run

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the studio. Blah blah blah. I say, okay, I went

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:08.919
<v Speaker 1>down there, run the studio. Uh. I didn't know what

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>was going on and when I before I got there.

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But once I got there, you know, you had people,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>lazy people, blah blah blah. And I wasn't putting up

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>with that ship. So the office part of the the

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>office part of the studio, I moved into my one

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>bedroom apartment. I put that ship in the bedroom and

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I had my bed out in the living room at

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>my apartment, you know, because we didn't. You know, I'm

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>not like, man, I'm not doing this ship. If these

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker's don't want to work, I'm not. I'm not funny

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to be sitting here all day bullshitting with them, you know.

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>So did that came back? So that was around That

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>was two thousands, I'm back home. Two thousand, I started over,

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>brolet's be straight up. I started over, staying at my

0:48:55.040 --> 0:49:00.760
<v Speaker 1>ain house in him Clark Jeweler gonsuh, she's my arm's sister.

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>So I started over. Two thousand, went to went back.

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>When I went back and coach that worthy, let me

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, how does that go, like from going from

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the NFL the line like two basically coming back like

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>resetting like restarted when you start every day, Joe, What

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that, how was that any pressure for

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you to to excel, you know and get back to

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the top like you were not necessarily the NFL, but

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, to be this guy that everybody looking at

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>saying like he made it because now you know you

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you you went to the top and then now you're

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 1>back in the hood, you know. And I'm sure there

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>had to be some murmurs, people talking ship saying some

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>slick ship. Yeah, at least at least one family member

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>because they're the worst family. But not my family. My

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>family took me in, man, because I called my uncle

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 1>head r I p uh, I said, Man, I'm coming home.

0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 1>He's like, come on. That was my aunt's husband. So

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I went there, moved upstairs. That's when I started coaching

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.399
<v Speaker 1>that worthy went over there. All my coaches were still there,

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Coach Evans and coach Snow and all of them. They

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>took me in and uh, I started. I started, you know,

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 1>working with the kids over there. And then we got

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 1>that year. We had five x NFL players on the

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff myself when Coreya came, when coreas my roommate

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 1>out of a and m you know, and uh and

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, so fast forward. Man, If you if you

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have a if you don't have a hustle, if

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.399
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a hustle in you, you're break man,

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>you know. And so you gotta have a hustle, and

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 1>you gotta be humble. That's what you was asking about.

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 1>You know. You gotta be your hustle and humble go together,

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.319
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And the pride you can't

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>wear that pride can't be cloaked in pride. You know,

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what people getting messed up, you know. So I

0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>the fall come before the fall, man, And and man,

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I just I just kept hustling, man and did good

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 1>at at at Worthing. We was nine and old till

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 1>we ran in the vin Young in the dome. So

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, we had a hell of a team, a

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of kids of college, you know. But that was

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that was it. So then I ended up through my

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>A and M. I'm with to Texas A and M University. Uh.

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I was driving point one yards per carry. I was

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>at I was driving hot shots for Beeline delivery. And

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.919
<v Speaker 1>this is what my story gets crazy. I'm driving hot shots.

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm downtown driving hot shots for Beline delivery. I get

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a phone call Mr Galson County. Sure, goddamn it, Mr Wilson,

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting outside the house were living in Dickinson. Mr Wisdom,

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>sitting outside the house, got one for your rest? What

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the fun? Some kind of some kind of deal up

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in the college station. Is my oldest boy child support?

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying? So I said. I told him.

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I said, sir, can you hear the truck running? I said,

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you hear my truck running? I said, I'm on the

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>highway right now. I said, I'm working literally right at

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>this moment to get the money for the child support.

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Right So man, let's dude. So he said, you know what,

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Mrs Wilson, I believe that, And I'll get you to monday.

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>But for me to get till monday, I had to

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>shoot them, you know what I mean. So I go

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>to I go up there, man, get get this, get

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:50.800
<v Speaker 1>this going, and I'm going the thing man these people,

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.919
<v Speaker 1>and I still feel like I should shoot Attorney general

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 1>for this. Everybody. This motherfucker's charged me. That motherfucker's charged me.

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Not seven is of Dolphin Miami. Dolphin pay, bro. If

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't get it for seven, damn the gave for

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>two years, three years, three year. If you don't get

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:16.320
<v Speaker 1>a check from the Dolphins, bro, obviously I'm not employed

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>that anymore. Well with your responsibility to do the blue,

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Blue Blue, I said, no, motherfucker, this is so. The

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>niggas wont one oh eight, bro, they want six figures.

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I went to that courthouse, man, and the court the

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 1>judge was fed up. And I remember I'm driving for

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Beatline at the time. I'm driving as my job and

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>my last name started with a debut. Everybody before me

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>went up there. They had the women and they had

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the judge. The judge say asking women, would you like

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 1>to leave him his back page, any of this back pay?

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Every woman said no, every last one of them. I

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 1>went in. Uh, I got up, I wrote my I

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>wrote Matthew's mom, dell on your bar a note. I said,

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>please say eighty that she would relieve me of eighty

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:17.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand of the back pager. Right man, But before then,

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.919
<v Speaker 1>everybody when she said no, the judge is like hunt

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 1>night days, suspend your license, und D days, suspend your

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:29.759
<v Speaker 1>license un day spending likes to everybody. Man, old white

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>man walked up there on a cane and sold. He said, Judge,

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I worked on the board on the barbecue truck. I

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.240
<v Speaker 1>made four hundred dollars a month, sent two hundred hundred

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>eight days, suspend your license. That's when I started learning

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>about your support. You know, about what you need to do.

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 1>He told that man. He told everybody that. He said,

0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>if you cut a yard and you made ten dollars,

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>send five. Put some on them books every month, because

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 1>if you don't, it's going on your back. Can pay

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>anyway what you don't seeing. But if you don't have

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:07.759
<v Speaker 1>something on them books every month, you're not making no effort. Yeah.

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 1>So we got up there. We finally got up there

0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>in front of the people. Now to judge, remember me,

0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I will is the full back because I'm up in

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>college station. Yeah, yeah, what's up? Man? So you know,

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he on the sign boom boom. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:32.719
<v Speaker 1>sold this, it's gonna go right. They flipped on me right.

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Then he started talking to her. He said, ma'am. First thing,

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>he said, ma'am, you know once you because she said eighty.

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:42.960
<v Speaker 1>She said, you said you want to leave it from

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 1>the back page. She said, hey they. I said yeah, okay,

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and she said eighty. She said eighty thousands. She said, man,

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, once you just once you do this, this

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 1>money goes away and never comes back. So that was one.

0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>That was one bullet. I took that, ma'am, are you sure?

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Another bullock? Look? But look so then the motherfucker said,

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 1>do you want another court date? I sew my hand.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, man, what the hell are you doing?

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:15.239
<v Speaker 1>He's like Mr Wilson calmed down, and I said, she

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 1>said eighty man with them, He said, man, do you

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 1>want another court dat? And by this time she's shaking

0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:25.359
<v Speaker 1>dog wow and I said and she said no, we're good.

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Boom boom boom. Because I told her, I said, look,

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I just I'll go on my retirement and give you

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the rest out of that. If you say eighty you

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 1>know so, man, So I was able to drive home

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.239
<v Speaker 1>after that. So, you know so after that, I did

0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>be Line delivery that summer gas hit a dollar ninety seven.

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I couldn't do be Lyne delivery no more.

0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:53.360
<v Speaker 1>My wife was traveling Angela Wilson, my wife was traveling

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>for work, and we had two boys. So I said, look,

0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:02.960
<v Speaker 1>we're playing fine hunted. We're playing hunted for uh, for

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the lady to watch the boys. And I'm doing four

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>hunting and gas right now. You're traveling. I said, you

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 1>know what, We're gonna shut this down. I'm gonna keep

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the boys for the suthing while you travel, and we're

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna just save all that money, you know. So. And

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 1>at the end of that summer, man, Uh, my uncle

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and uh one of the aggies was at the Houstonian

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Golfing country Club and uh I end up getting a

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>job there at the end of that summer. And I

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.120
<v Speaker 1>worked at the Houstonian Golfing Country Club for twelve years.

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's about so when I say all of that,

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 1>man to say, it's about bridging that gap. You know

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? You got to bridge you got to

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to bridge that gap. And that's what I

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 1>tell my my kids and anybody else, anybody who listened.

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, like them youngsters right now, I said, Man,

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 1>get your paperwork in order, because y'all not built for

0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the school of hard knocks. Bro y'are not you know,

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>growing up in the suburbs and all that ship You're not.

0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 1>You're not. You're not groom for that. What's your relationship

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like with your kids? Yeah, boys, revoted podcast will be

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 1>right back after the point. Let's talk about your book, Man.

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Hits in politics, the big hits in politics, Big big

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 1>hits in politics. Yes, sir, don't always a lot of

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>best players don't always play and and that that. So

0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>when I first started writing the book, man, I thought

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna be talking about, uh what I just

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about, some of the stuff in the NFL. That's

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 1>when my boys were starting, literally, you know, and that's

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 1>when I found out that's where the politics start. And

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 1>literally it's I'm not gonna say a white man, but

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a man. A man would become a president of a

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 1>whole youth organization so his unathletic son can play quarterback.

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 1>M you know, it's cold blood. I've seen that too

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 1>many times. The dad and the coach, and the sun

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is the quarterback son, but his daddy the coach. So

0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it started there. And then when they got to a

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 1>parley in high school politics, and now head coach got

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 1>two sons. My son played receiver, hit son played tight

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 1>end and receiver. They're catching mobiles and my son what

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:39.560
<v Speaker 1>we're doing? So got over with that. And then so

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I moved my my youngest that's at Midwestern State right now,

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I moved him to Manville for his senior year. I

0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 1>told him straight up, I said, Ben, if you stay apparently,

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna be in jail half the season because

0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm back, and I'm gonna block these driveways as some

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of these coaches at five in the morning asking what

0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:00.360
<v Speaker 1>they really what are we really doing? You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. It was that serious. So we went to Manfield.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a good senior year. Now he had Midwestern State.

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<v Speaker 1>What year was that senior year? Ben was ship And

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<v Speaker 1>so we we don't we don't have um, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a do are you mentioning names in the book? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Dropping the name? Just tell me what you're saying what

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<v Speaker 1>it is like when I was at UH Dallas. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Green Bay, right, so this is how, this

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<v Speaker 1>is how the meeting rooms are set up for the

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<v Speaker 1>running backs. Me, you know, so we're the running back.

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<v Speaker 1>So y'all already in Green Bay. I come in the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at these two motherfucker's. They got the same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hand cut the parking lot. They both got

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<v Speaker 1>a black fire thirty five and its Green Bay. So

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<v Speaker 1>it don't matter how many people I knocked the funk out,

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<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna break up this continuity for me. The

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<v Speaker 1>right on the wall as soon as you walk in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just a body for camp, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? A body for camp for camp, you know? So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll go to that's three. I went to live

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<v Speaker 1>with my buddy Quentin in Indianapolis. He's playing for the coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have worked out for them, blah blah. He said, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>they love you, man, drink coach love you to everybody

1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:38.520
<v Speaker 1>loves you. So we died in Dallas UH at Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Smith department. He was a second year player. He comes

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<v Speaker 1>from practice. He said, bull, they got a locker with

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<v Speaker 1>your name in it. I said, huh, and now, mind you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to be leaving the next day to go

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<v Speaker 1>sign with Indy. God damn it. And he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta lock it with your name. Man, So this

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys on. So I was like, man, we sat

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<v Speaker 1>there at the table and we thought. I thought about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, may you know what if I get sucked

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<v Speaker 1>up again, I'm being Texas. So when I went on

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<v Speaker 1>and signed with the Cowboys, you know, wasn't a bad

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a bad move. You know, I wouldn't have never

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in Miami if I hadn't signed with the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. But I don't know what I hadn't what

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<v Speaker 1>Indianapolis having a stake for me, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have a relationship with with the owner, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Jones at all? Did you ever meet him? Yeah, Jared Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>After every game he's standing at the locker room. He

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<v Speaker 1>shake every player hand going back into the locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just checking on the product. Yeah, he Jared Jed Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a word. That's how he comes out to me.

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<v Speaker 1>He comes out and ignoble, dude, you know he told

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<v Speaker 1>me ignoble. Yeah, noble. He comes but when he went

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<v Speaker 1>when he won a ride with me, was when he said,

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<v Speaker 1>all our players are gonna to the line and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not kneeling. That's what I'm saying. Stuff like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like taking rights away. Man exposed himself, you know, during

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<v Speaker 1>that whole Trump era. Yeah, he exposed him said he

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<v Speaker 1>got exposed during the Trump era because at first it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like, oh, he's he's he's the guy, he's looking

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<v Speaker 1>out for the black guys. And now you know this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no coincidence that he only was looking out for

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<v Speaker 1>the really, really good black players, the guys who could

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<v Speaker 1>really play. As long as you could help him win,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on your team. And then so I go

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<v Speaker 1>to Dallas, Green Bay, I mean leave Green Bay ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Dallas and went to that camp. I'm knocking

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<v Speaker 1>motherfucker's out. I got more respect in Dallas camp then

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<v Speaker 1>I did for playing because I was laying motherfucker's out

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<v Speaker 1>like that. All the players, all the coaches, they knew

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. But I got this guy, Emmy Smith, Damn,

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Smith. Got this guy. We come off the field,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, man, make go make my Matrex shape. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>make his what go make his shake after practice shape

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<v Speaker 1>for a call in it. Man. No, No, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that he had like a dude boy know his

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<v Speaker 1>dude boy. He telling the dude boy, go make go

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<v Speaker 1>do this, go do that, because I got to say

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't come off that tack. No no, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we go. But then but then, but the dude doing

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<v Speaker 1>it on his own, you know, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. And then so then I found out

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<v Speaker 1>the year before I got there, they cut that dude

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<v Speaker 1>when they went to the playoffs. Emit the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>went over there and didn't speak to nobody from Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Jones on down, didn't speak, didn't say a word. Next

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<v Speaker 1>week he was back. They brother back. That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>up against. Man, you already got moose. Moves ain't going nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You gotta respect moves. Moves

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<v Speaker 1>ain't going nowhere. So that's what I'm up again. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it would go with the politics again, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. But you know, so when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you came into the league, you know you was

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<v Speaker 1>you was you know, you was that dude in Tampa Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you went from that to being

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<v Speaker 1>a journeyman. Uh, basically like and that's what helped me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what helped me. Being the dude helped me when

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't to do because when I went to Tampa,

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<v Speaker 1>we started the season with just one fullback me, They

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<v Speaker 1>ran everybody else off. So I had seen that process,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I didn't say one day

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be me, but it ended up being that way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? So so how do the

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<v Speaker 1>follow apart in Tampa? Bato? You know, I know it

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<v Speaker 1>was a three and thirteen season, didn't help but coach,

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<v Speaker 1>but she still was productive that year. Coach got fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Coach got fired. They brought Sam White shan. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>politics of that was Bront saying White sham super Bowl winning.

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<v Speaker 1>He won the Super Bowl and eight right, so what

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<v Speaker 1>was he coaching the Ridskins. The Bengals cut that ship out.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're sitting there, Remember I told you, if

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<v Speaker 1>you if if a coach draft you, if you win

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<v Speaker 1>with a coach, you always have a job. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have a job, All of a sudden, motherfucking everybody from

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals start showing up in the locker room. So

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<v Speaker 1>once again, the riding's on the wall, you know. So.

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<v Speaker 1>But my thing is, man, what I tell the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>my boys, I said, look, we watched that last preseason

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<v Speaker 1>game every year, and I said, look, man, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>down from They're going from eighty five to sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty three sixty five. Most of them play that.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of that twenty will never play again. Wow, will

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<v Speaker 1>never play again. Half of that twenty. It's gonna flip

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<v Speaker 1>off into depression because they don't have nothing to fall

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<v Speaker 1>back on, whether it's a degree or job or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're good with your hands, none of that. Man. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In your opinion, is the NFL doing enough in safety

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<v Speaker 1>protocols in regards to concussions and head injuries? Uh? I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is. I think I think what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is is is helping, But they're not. But it's that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you see all these other catastrophic injuries. Now, because

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm coming, you're coming to me full speed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>coming and you and you so Brad coming to me

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<v Speaker 1>full speed. What are you gonna do when you get there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna take my knees out. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't no more head to head up, the hand, the head.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why it's all these knee injuries and people

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<v Speaker 1>people getting hurt like that. And then it's the game

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<v Speaker 1>is so much softer. They don't they don't hit. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't hit, but twice a week not all this bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>So last year, the first five games of the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season was really as far as NFL players bodies was concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>was the preseason. That's why it was all his injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>Motherfucker's out there non contact. Motherfucker cut his achilles, gone

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<v Speaker 1>cut his knee, blow up. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't prepared your body to take that, to take

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<v Speaker 1>that punchent. Yeah, man, it's it's it's it's wild, man,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's wild. But you know, you gotta they

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<v Speaker 1>gotta keep fighting a good fight man, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>uh try to We gotta get this. We gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>this concussion thing shuttle, you know, because Norman. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a new guy coming into the league. Well I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even in the league yet. I'm I'm a new guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I'm the man. I'm playing football, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>really good at football on any level. Let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm let's just say, I'm high school age and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cold with it. What's your advice. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the league. I'm everybody looking at me like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that dude. I'm all area this, I'm national this.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your advice to me and my parents? Business wise

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL business? Oh, I'm glad. There's a great question.

1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Glad you asked that is business wise? Is know what

1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to do on the way in as far

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<v Speaker 1>as business? You know what I mean? Because, like me,

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<v Speaker 1>the phone call is different because like if I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>the team and I'm calling trying to do business with you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh Miami Dolphin Robert Wilson, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Oh ship boom, after I'm not on the team,

1:10:32.960 --> 1:10:39.719
<v Speaker 1>it's your name comes last. Hey, former former Miami Dolphin

1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.439
<v Speaker 1>fullback Robert Wilson want to talk to you. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying former, So that that's a different spin.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, then they're not even gonna do business with you.

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<v Speaker 1>They want active players, you know what I mean. So,

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<v Speaker 1>my my, so they have this uh thing where they

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<v Speaker 1>take all of the top draft picks and have coaches

1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:03.920
<v Speaker 1>talk to him about this and that, but they don't

1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:06.280
<v Speaker 1>talk to everybody about it. But so my my advice

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<v Speaker 1>would be, I would say, look, man, find out what

1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:13.200
<v Speaker 1>you wanna do after football, and started while you acted.

1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Started now, because the phone call is different when you're acting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, man, you ain't farmer farmer rappers right. They

1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:31.600
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk to me no more. He's a

1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:36.120
<v Speaker 1>farmer rapper right right right on top of that game.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had, you know, a hot single out or something,

1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:43.840
<v Speaker 1>ye like, yeah, okay, give him my number, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I would tell him. I'll say, man,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want, let that team come from Let that

1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:52.240
<v Speaker 1>phone call come from the team, because they've got people

1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:58.519
<v Speaker 1>whose job that is you know, you name that big

1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:03.559
<v Speaker 1>hits and politics. Here in politics, the best players don't

1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.479
<v Speaker 1>always play by the best players always at you on

1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:09.400
<v Speaker 1>social media. And first of all, that book is available

1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:12.760
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon. Amazon Book a book on Amazon right now

1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.400
<v Speaker 1>coming out with The Harker. I have to thank my

1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:23.320
<v Speaker 1>good friend and fellow aggy Shanidria Wagner. And let me

1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:28.920
<v Speaker 1>tell you why it took me eight years man to

1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:36.080
<v Speaker 1>do this book, maybe nine. You have to get right

1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in the head to go in right. No, I'm forgetting

1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:46.840
<v Speaker 1>about the goddamn meetings. I'm forgetting about the goddamn book session. Wow,

1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:52.639
<v Speaker 1>so you're forgetting too. So you started it actually eight

1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:57.760
<v Speaker 1>years ago completed? No? No, are you having the same

1:12:57.840 --> 1:13:01.320
<v Speaker 1>CTV we all do? Man? No ship? Yes? What the fuck?

1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Why we man? We need to fight? Man man man

1:13:04.760 --> 1:13:08.080
<v Speaker 1>man a man man. Listen, I'm I'm I got my

1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:12.599
<v Speaker 1>boys at the doctor's office. I did this ship up

1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:15.719
<v Speaker 1>to as recently as a month ago. Leave a mothering

1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:19.640
<v Speaker 1>pot on the stove and I'm out the door. Anybody's

1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:23.040
<v Speaker 1>doing this, I'm hearing this story from you. Who are

1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you working with in regards to trying to recover some

1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:31.439
<v Speaker 1>some some funds you know, for these injuries you suffered? Uh?

1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Right now, I'm working with Dr Cornella Manix. She's uh,

1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:44.120
<v Speaker 1>she's uh. She works with brain injuries. She works with

1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:47.400
<v Speaker 1>people that have brain injuries and like that. Her company

1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is called dot org. But who is she working and

1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:54.559
<v Speaker 1>then she is she working with these We all have lawyers.

1:13:55.000 --> 1:14:00.200
<v Speaker 1>We all have lawyers, and it's called uh nf L

1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Concussions Claims Administrator. They have a claims administrator that you

1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:07.759
<v Speaker 1>go through. But are you are you is this somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that that the NFL or some group that answers right

1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:13.760
<v Speaker 1>here in conflict the inswest is the same lay that

1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:16.240
<v Speaker 1>represents the NFL represent you all too? No, no, no, no,

1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>it was the same doctors because they went, they went,

1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and they went, we all went got tested and all

1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:31.280
<v Speaker 1>this ship. No no, no, the doctors, like the doctors

1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that gave favorable uh responses what we had, all of

1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a sudden they can't take their word no more. They

1:14:41.040 --> 1:14:44.200
<v Speaker 1>cut the doctor lists in half and all the mother's

1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that was given favorable you know, ship. Then you know

1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:50.920
<v Speaker 1>they knocked us out. They knocked us on. But like

1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I tell them, man, because I like to fish. You

1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:57.240
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Man, I listen, I got, I got,

1:14:57.360 --> 1:15:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I got partners homeboards right now, Bro, they will not

1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.800
<v Speaker 1>come on this shower. They will not come on this

1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Why not because they're showing some kind of It takes

1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:13.320
<v Speaker 1>some kind of cognitive ability. God damn it. I had

1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:16.280
<v Speaker 1>my homework come to my house and we're sitting in

1:15:16.320 --> 1:15:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the backyard. He wouldn't put his phone on the damn fence.

1:15:20.720 --> 1:15:23.439
<v Speaker 1>How I said, what they're doing, bro? Man, motherfucker's following me?

1:15:23.600 --> 1:15:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Many He said, they followed the NFL. He said, they've

1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.000
<v Speaker 1>got people following. That's what he said. I said, Man,

1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you're taking the ship too far. Bro. I was like,

1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:36.519
<v Speaker 1>and so my thing is as an a former NFL player,

1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you got to be able to have a good day. Man,

1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you can't have a good day. Well, motherfucker might see

1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you playing golf or fishing or riding a bike. Come out.

1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.240
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. Bullshit, Man, do you ever

1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:56.759
<v Speaker 1>get violent tendencies? Yeah? Right, So not to a person.

1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:01.639
<v Speaker 1>So long story short, My son Benjamin was a nine

1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:05.160
<v Speaker 1>grade basketball team. Man, my wife went out to eat.

1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:10.040
<v Speaker 1>We're going it's his birthday had just passed, so he

1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:12.479
<v Speaker 1>had his money. So, you know, nine grades, he want

1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:15.160
<v Speaker 1>to have his money on it. So he called the

1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:18.639
<v Speaker 1>call phone. I could heard his voice and I said,

1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:21.840
<v Speaker 1>they got his money. Somebody took his money. He's like, yeah,

1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:24.519
<v Speaker 1>and coach somebody, what you want me to do? Blah

1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:28.320
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Right, so he knows though, he knows me.

1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:33.040
<v Speaker 1>So um so me and my wife go up to

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<v Speaker 1>the school. We went up to the school and I

1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:41.439
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I called the police. I said, magic,

1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:43.880
<v Speaker 1>then I need somebody come up to the school. They

1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:47.639
<v Speaker 1>stole my boys money. Blah blah blah. The bust pull

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<v Speaker 1>up and I don't know why they let me get

1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:55.120
<v Speaker 1>on that bus. M hm. I got on that bus.

1:16:55.800 --> 1:17:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, I want my fucking money now, and the

1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:07.800
<v Speaker 1>money magically appeared. So I got in. So there's like,

1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:09.680
<v Speaker 1>miss wilson't you have to go out the bus. So

1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm walking around the bus. My wife, go get in

1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the car, Go get in the car. I'm walking around

1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the back of the bus. I hit the back window. Now,

1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:22.439
<v Speaker 1>cracked the back window. Oh ship, you know what I'm saying.

1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Cracked the back window of the bus. Now the police

1:17:27.400 --> 1:17:31.639
<v Speaker 1>that I called put me in the back of his car. Yeah,

1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:37.640
<v Speaker 1>but you went a man so so, but that's that

1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:40.000
<v Speaker 1>zero to the hundred, so that the money you ever

1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:43.600
<v Speaker 1>get recovered. All of a sudden, it's a hundred and

1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:45.800
<v Speaker 1>nine dollars on the back of the bus, on the floor.

1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So they came and let me out the car. I

1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.360
<v Speaker 1>went off again because I see the man counting out

1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the money to my wife. So I'm talking to the coach.

1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I said, coach, see you do have a fucking thief

1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:01.320
<v Speaker 1>on your goddamn team. They counting out the money. So

1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:03.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody started rushing me back to the car because they

1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.920
<v Speaker 1>want the police was coming to the restume at that point,

1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:08.439
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So yeah, this ship like that.

1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:11.000
<v Speaker 1>And then then they banned me from the campus. They

1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:14.880
<v Speaker 1>banned me from what But what's that parental instincts kicking

1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.240
<v Speaker 1>in or what's that something to do? I think you

1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:21.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't happened. It was happening because the cracker back window

1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:23.960
<v Speaker 1>on the bus. I mean, you didn't shoot out the

1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:35.040
<v Speaker 1>back one shooting out the bass inwards. Yeah, but I

1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:40.280
<v Speaker 1>told him, I told him. I told him x NFL

1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:45.080
<v Speaker 1>running down. Oh my god, this is bad. I told him.

1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I said, I said, coach, you won't have no copycasts.

1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Then my son with school next day, so I called

1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the principal. I said, hey, man, you know what, my

1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:57.040
<v Speaker 1>older son running track. So you banned me from the school,

1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna watch my son running track, He said, Mrs Will.

1:19:00.760 --> 1:19:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Half the basketball team did not come to school today

1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:05.439
<v Speaker 1>because they thought he was gonna be up here looking

1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:13.439
<v Speaker 1>for Oh Jesus, I'm saying I was think that man, Bro,

1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:15.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. But that's that's what you know.

1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:18.519
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what you don't get and where does

1:19:18.560 --> 1:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>your sign play? What school is he he was apparently

1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in that time he was a freshman freshman basketball team.

1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:28.880
<v Speaker 1>But he said, he said, uh, I don't know if

1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:31.559
<v Speaker 1>it's funny or not, but it's funny to him, he said,

1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I went to school dad, I was a rock star.

1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:40.360
<v Speaker 1>That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, man, but but

1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>but that's that's that's kinda but he shouldn't had all

1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.320
<v Speaker 1>him you know, the parents. They don't take me all

1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that money on your at that at one time. But

1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but that's the kind of ship that happened. Man. And

1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you never you never know what trigger it's gonna trigger.

1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:59.040
<v Speaker 1>That the ultimate response. Man, I'm so glad we're having

1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:02.880
<v Speaker 1>this conversation. I think the world needs to hear that

1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that CTE concussions, those those hits to the head, man,

1:20:08.479 --> 1:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, even in boxing, like those hits in the

1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:15.880
<v Speaker 1>head really caused That's that's right. That's what kept me

1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:22.519
<v Speaker 1>from going back boxing. Yeah, it's going to my hand,

1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:24.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's getting hard as here to Yeah, but but

1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:27.479
<v Speaker 1>it's but it's like, because I like to fight for real,

1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I like I like, I like the

1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.800
<v Speaker 1>energy of fighting, you know, what I'm saying, like like

1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:36.479
<v Speaker 1>what it likes. It's something you know, I become like

1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:39.559
<v Speaker 1>a monster, like really like and I want to just destroy,

1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>just like you're in a football field. You're trained, like

1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:48.559
<v Speaker 1>just coming through the phone man into somebody, you turned

1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:52.120
<v Speaker 1>into something different. Man. And but but I do. But

1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm always cognizant because I see so many dudes who

1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:59.519
<v Speaker 1>just in there just recently retired from basket from boxing

1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:03.640
<v Speaker 1>is something thirty some years old, and most skills bro

1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:07.840
<v Speaker 1>motor skills gone. I remember seeing Iran Barkley in New

1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:10.880
<v Speaker 1>York had a fight once and then I said, I

1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:16.559
<v Speaker 1>ran and he turned around like this sugar Ray Leonard too, man,

1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:23.160
<v Speaker 1>uh huh, like what's up? Will it d wrong? No,

1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:26.240
<v Speaker 1>this is years ago. It's like really years ago, Iran.

1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I ain't no telling what shape Iran is in right now, Shannon, Shannon,

1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the cannon looked pretty good still too. I mean he

1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>looks real good right now too. He's still there, you

1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:39.160
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. You know another sport that mikes

1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:41.920
<v Speaker 1>that deals with it too is hockey. Man. I don't

1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:44.800
<v Speaker 1>know nothing about hockey. Man. I watched the physical really

1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and they let him fight. So that's why I ain't

1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.880
<v Speaker 1>hockey player, got no teeth. Yeah, it's physical and they

1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>let him fight man, so so cold bloody you can't.

1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.160
<v Speaker 1>It's bad man. So that would that would have That's

1:21:58.280 --> 1:21:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that's what I was just looking at. So that would

1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>have been when I saw it, right, it's like right

1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>after they died. But then my boy, my boy hot Smith.

1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Hotsmith a lot. Yeah, but he's doing

1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:21.759
<v Speaker 1>he remember he went into boxing. He went into boxing

1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:26.840
<v Speaker 1>because what can't replace me? And in the Heilman, you

1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, you can't replace it. And so

1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that's why that's why when I go fishing, it would

1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>have been good with with with with with with the

1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Heilman on for for practice. But the problem is when

1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:42.240
<v Speaker 1>you take it off for the profile. You aight. But

1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>but like with them tests and then they take they

1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:48.920
<v Speaker 1>take us all these tests and basically the tests all

1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:53.120
<v Speaker 1>they do. They asked you it's like three hours, right,

1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:57.479
<v Speaker 1>and they asked you during the three hours, they asked

1:22:57.520 --> 1:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you the same question five different times in different ways.

1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:03.680
<v Speaker 1>When you go when you go out, are you the

1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>life for the party? And then an hour later and say,

1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:10.479
<v Speaker 1>when you go to a party, do people get excited?

1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Because you're there. You know that that that type of

1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:17.120
<v Speaker 1>ship you know, and see if you answer differently. Yeah,

1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:22.559
<v Speaker 1>and so I have one of my homeboys, Derek Frazier. Uh,

1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:26.080
<v Speaker 1>he took it. He took it. He took it to

1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:30.479
<v Speaker 1>the next level. He just wanted to motherfucker turned to

1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>all that ship over and walked up. You know what

1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, He said, Man, this test you know, yeah,

1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>not doing that. Man, We thank you for coming on

1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the show and sharing your story, problem your wisdom, and man,

1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I hope you get the relief, not just you, but

1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>all of the players out that man, who've given us

1:23:50.000 --> 1:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>so much to the game. I hope y'all get the

1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>relief that y'all deserved. Man, NFL need to do the

1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:59.200
<v Speaker 1>right thing. Man, cut the check man, cut the check. CTC,

1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:06.559
<v Speaker 1>cut that check the check man. There's so much money

1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>right now to the NFL owners that it doesn't matter

1:24:11.320 --> 1:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>to them if the games, if there's nobody in the

1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:19.760
<v Speaker 1>state in the stadium, because it's the it's the TV contract. Well,

1:24:19.760 --> 1:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they's just being greedy, man, They're they're being greedy, and

1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>they're also trying to control the narrative. It's like Caps said,

1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, they still got that type of slave boss

1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>mentality and mentality. Until we have at least two or

1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>three black NFL owners, nothing I'm gonna change. I don't

1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:47.559
<v Speaker 1>even think that that's gonna um. Yeah, that ain't gonna

1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>change because black the black owners are just as bad

1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>as the other ones. You know what I mean by

1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:58.479
<v Speaker 1>sixteen eighteen? Yeah, no, how many teams? How many teams

1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that we need to two thirty two black owners? Tim Scott,

1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:05.559
<v Speaker 1>you get your temp Scott in there on the football

1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>teams just just you look at the setup just bad

1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>as the other you're talking about gummy man, gummy bad. Yeah,

1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>what is gummy mind bad? Look at the set up though,

1:25:17.040 --> 1:25:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Look at the setup on game day. What the owners

1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that in the box in the box, in the box seats?

1:25:26.640 --> 1:25:31.360
<v Speaker 1>What the product on the field they watching them? Now

1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>now you're talking about that master that that the overseas

1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>he watching, He watching this product? Yeah, cold blood it.

1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, Robert, thank you, thank you, thank you

1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>so much. This was so this was so enlightening man,

1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:52.400
<v Speaker 1>in so many ways. You know, it looked like it's

1:25:52.479 --> 1:25:56.599
<v Speaker 1>all glamor glamorous. You know, all of the bright lights

1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and superstars man, But it's a lot of ship to

1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>come behind. And there's more people like me than the

1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.559
<v Speaker 1>people that made the millions, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>more journeyman, like you said exactly, It's more of those

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<v Speaker 1>people out there and than not. Yeah, I'm just so

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<v Speaker 1>glad they had to be able to We really do

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, man, And and and again it's not just you,

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<v Speaker 1>but all the people, all of those guys out that

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<v Speaker 1>man that that risk it all man, because every time

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<v Speaker 1>you step on that field, man, you don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna walk off that field the same you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't know, you don't know, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. Man, You'll need to do the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>because these these are this is not just products. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is not just products. These are human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>father's father's brother's son, right, homeboys boys ship like being. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, huh so when I was coming into

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<v Speaker 1>Woods in the sixth grade, he was already eight grade. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they just think think about this is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I think about all the time. Think about all

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<v Speaker 1>the people, all of all your homeboys that you came

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<v Speaker 1>up with, that was more talented than you, that just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get the grades. That was me. I could, I could,

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<v Speaker 1>I could name you know, so many people that was

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<v Speaker 1>more talented than me. But back then, getting the getting

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<v Speaker 1>the grays was not you know, because that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>think my Coachesoth Brown, coach Elliott, they was military. That

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<v Speaker 1>no pass, no play sucked me up. Yeah, it bucked

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<v Speaker 1>me up. I didn't even want to go to school

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<v Speaker 1>no more after no Pass because football was such a

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<v Speaker 1>so my passion. Bro hey man, why he wheels locked

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<v Speaker 1>on this chick ship? Why is the cat on the bridge?

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