Speaker 1: Get Get Boys. It's back and reoaded all in your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that deep throating. This is for the streets, the reel,
Speaker 1: the railroading, the distant franchise, the truth escape building. And
Speaker 1: they ain't know wing. We speak the truth, so they
Speaker 1: ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coach,
Speaker 1: the g b my tree keeping your head bobbing. It
Speaker 1: ain't no stopping and wants to be drips head by.
Speaker 1: And then the system is so corrupt they throw the
Speaker 1: rock out of their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on code and me and danceing
Speaker 1: for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces
Speaker 1: in the building. Collectively we are the ghetto Boys. Reloaded,
Speaker 1: Reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help
Speaker 1: you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,
Speaker 1: Robert Wilson Jr. Say, Man, how does a guy from
Speaker 1: Worth in high school make it to the NFL? You
Speaker 1: was drafted in the third round by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: It pick overall, sir, How do you how do you
Speaker 1: get that? Because you're straight from the hood, man, You
Speaker 1: just like us you're at the hood and more specifically
Speaker 1: from brad neighborhood, South Park, three Wood right Blue Ridge.
Speaker 1: All that is. Uh, So I had to go back
Speaker 1: to where I was born, born in Germany and military
Speaker 1: parents born in Germany. Stay there for till I was
Speaker 1: three years old, came back to Sunday Side, went back
Speaker 1: to Germany till I was eight, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: that's I always love football, man. Because we had one
Speaker 1: channel that were play uh American football game, So I
Speaker 1: was I was hooked as soon as I saw it.
Speaker 1: And it was Eric Metcalf's dad that I would always see,
Speaker 1: Terry Mattcalf. He was playing for the Cardinals at the time.
Speaker 1: So that was my first That was my first NFL hero.
Speaker 1: Then it was O j Then it was Earl Campbell
Speaker 1: because I was running back. So I patted myself after
Speaker 1: those guys. As far as playing football and h being
Speaker 1: in the military. My dad, uh, as far as work ethic,
Speaker 1: you know, he in't still that in me. You know,
Speaker 1: people like okay, so get in the truck. I'd be
Speaker 1: like he said the old Domadan bowing. He said, uh,
Speaker 1: when the dominant got the three miles, He's like, all right, son,
Speaker 1: I see at the house, you're running even walk, So
Speaker 1: I'm in i herd to get back to the house.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and run, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and so just you know that having that work ethic,
Speaker 1: being able to go to Denver and train in the summertime,
Speaker 1: and how do you at this time? I'm fourteen, fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen at that time, So at what point did you
Speaker 1: guys moved to the South side of Houston. I was.
Speaker 1: We was always here with my mom. Uh. After we
Speaker 1: came back from that last uh trip to Germany, my
Speaker 1: parents got divorced and my father ended up retiring in Denver.
Speaker 1: So I had to make a decision. Well, not only that, um,
Speaker 1: my mother and my sister. My mother and my two
Speaker 1: sisters and my nephew got in a horrible car right,
Speaker 1: so I lost my mom. Man, Yeah, I lost my mom,
Speaker 1: lost my sister, and my nephew. M my older sister lived.
Speaker 1: I'm already here that brow, So I had to I
Speaker 1: had to make decision on either going to Denver and
Speaker 1: then with my dad. I'm being raised by my grandparents
Speaker 1: like a lot of us were in the hood. So
Speaker 1: I I thought about it, and I based I based
Speaker 1: it totally on football. I said, Man, they ain't playing
Speaker 1: no football in Denver, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: was like, the I'm gonna stay here and I'm staying
Speaker 1: with my grandparents. So that's that's kind of where that's
Speaker 1: when I made a decision to stay in Blue Ridge
Speaker 1: and be raised by my grandparents. And definitely don't regret
Speaker 1: that because she was my grandmother, was mine. I was
Speaker 1: like I was telling Brad, my grandmother was was my
Speaker 1: h biggest fan, you know, And you did your sister
Speaker 1: make a full recovery? No? No, they shook up, man,
Speaker 1: and she ended up, you know, the lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, on crack. You know, she ended up on crack.
Speaker 1: But but she she overcame a physical injuries, but she
Speaker 1: was never able to overcome emotionally because she saw the
Speaker 1: aftermath of the accident. Oh my goodness. She was still
Speaker 1: stood outside the car and saw everything. So that's absolutely heartbreaking. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was so And that's when I found That's when
Speaker 1: I found out, man. You know, I was young, and
Speaker 1: I said, um, Andre Kelly, and um. It was a
Speaker 1: preacher that lived across the street and he was preaching
Speaker 1: one day right before his sermon, he said, he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, you might see me in my front
Speaker 1: yard waving, but nobody's passing by. And that's when zoom.
Speaker 1: It was like zoom to me. That's what let me know. Okay,
Speaker 1: if something else, it's a higher power, somebody else is
Speaker 1: taking care of things. Because you know, I had to
Speaker 1: figure it out. And how long did it take you
Speaker 1: from the time that your family was died in that
Speaker 1: greg to figure that out? Uh? That moment that you
Speaker 1: were at church and you got that you had that
Speaker 1: epiphany what it was about. It happened when I was
Speaker 1: like eleven twelve, and I figured it out when I
Speaker 1: was like about a year later. Because I I, if
Speaker 1: you can imagine, I dove into sports. Sports was my relief,
Speaker 1: my getaway. N did you know what, okay, Coach Blair, Yeah, man, yeah.
Speaker 1: Coach rose bro I didn't have nothing. Coach Roseboro took
Speaker 1: me to the store and bought me shoes to play basketball.
Speaker 1: I'll be damn coach Glad. Coach Rosenberg, Uh Russian Uh
Speaker 1: Harris Coach Harris. Coach Harris had the store in Hellwood,
Speaker 1: Harris Store. Guess what he taught me? He taught me
Speaker 1: how to drive. I'll be damned. He would say every day,
Speaker 1: every morning, Wilson gonna move to my car. I'm at Woodson,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Wilson gonna move to my car.
Speaker 1: So in essence, he taught me how to drive, you know.
Speaker 1: But he knew. Those those coaches back then, they were
Speaker 1: they were developed developmental coaches. They don't have that now, hey,
Speaker 1: And they realized back then that it took a village man,
Speaker 1: and everybody was involved in the upbringing of those children
Speaker 1: that went to those schools back then. You know, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen this Russian and coach Blair a long time.
Speaker 1: But when I do get a chance to see, like
Speaker 1: the older teachers that that taught me in school, the
Speaker 1: coaches that coached me in school, man, I always tell him,
Speaker 1: thank you. You know, looking at my life, she could
Speaker 1: went either way, and they kept a foot on my
Speaker 1: neck and made sure that I walked that path. You know,
Speaker 1: even even even even though I did drop out of
Speaker 1: school because you know, life happens and the career started,
Speaker 1: they were still very instrumental in me being who I
Speaker 1: am today. And know those teachers, man, we appreciate them
Speaker 1: and I respect him for that because absolutely good teachers. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, just now, man, going back, my girdfather,
Speaker 1: who was a Baptist minister, died in a house five
Speaker 1: and he died trying to save his wife. And I
Speaker 1: at that moment, man, I was like, I question the
Speaker 1: hell out of God. I drilled, how are you? How
Speaker 1: are you? I was fourteen, fourteen, fourteen, fifteen. I was
Speaker 1: fifteen when that happened. So I'm fifteen and I'm mad, man,
Speaker 1: I'm mad for real because I'm thinking, Man, I don't
Speaker 1: know any people that's more godly than these people. You know,
Speaker 1: who was more deserving of aging with grace and and
Speaker 1: you know, seeing their life go the distance and die naturally,
Speaker 1: you know, for them to die in such a horrific manner.
Speaker 1: I mean I was really really hot, So you never
Speaker 1: felt that way. And when your your mother died and
Speaker 1: your sister died and no, I didn't have time. What
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? I didn't have time. I
Speaker 1: didn't have time, but you were playing sports. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have time to question when it had happened. But
Speaker 1: then when I when I heard the preachers say, I'm
Speaker 1: be in my yard waving and nobody's passing by? What
Speaker 1: does that mean to you? That means that if I'm
Speaker 1: in my yard waving and nobody's passing by, I'm my
Speaker 1: hand is to God. Mhm mhmm. Okay, that my hand
Speaker 1: is to God. That's the only that's that's the only
Speaker 1: other person entity or whatever that I could be dealing
Speaker 1: with it that what what's your relationship now with your
Speaker 1: surviving sister? Actually, man, she's doing great. My dad just
Speaker 1: this year moved up back to Denver. She's uh, blenders
Speaker 1: her name. She's uh, she's working again. She never had
Speaker 1: a time, she never had a problem working. He was
Speaker 1: just getting out of the hood, you know, and all
Speaker 1: of problem ain't getting out of the hood. But it's
Speaker 1: like Bernie Max said, man, we are all our families
Speaker 1: got problems, and all our families might have had somebody
Speaker 1: that that was on drugs, you know. But for for
Speaker 1: me to see that up close and personal, you know
Speaker 1: they you know how how that drug made people do
Speaker 1: things to their families, you know, like they didn't even
Speaker 1: know him. I've seen I've seen crack cocaine rent wives.
Speaker 1: I've seen me and rent their wives for a hit
Speaker 1: of crack. It ain't this ain't nothing that I heard.
Speaker 1: This is something that I actually saw man prostitute his
Speaker 1: wife out for some dopey But do you know see
Speaker 1: mothers prostitute their daughters. That it's cold blooded? Man. But
Speaker 1: now but now fast forward, fitting on, hey man, that's
Speaker 1: fitting on. But but but but see it wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a tragic epidemic. Crack wasn't that. Crack wasn't
Speaker 1: a tragic epidemic. It was like, oh, we just dropped
Speaker 1: it in the hood. Let them deal with it. Now,
Speaker 1: the tragic epidemic to them. To them. But now since
Speaker 1: it's affecting a certain group, now it's tragic. Now, we
Speaker 1: gotta make laws to stop it. And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: now it's you know, it's it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: level five or whatever drug. And what baffles me is,
Speaker 1: do you remember that you remember the drug sentencing guidelines
Speaker 1: when it came to crack and then when it came
Speaker 1: to powder. What's the difference in the two? Excuse me,
Speaker 1: besides the banking. So you know, the trip part about
Speaker 1: it is that you would think that because because cocaine
Speaker 1: in its purest form is more deadly, you know, you
Speaker 1: would think that the time would be stiffer, or if
Speaker 1: they just be it would just be possession of cocaine. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if if you if you're gonna make a
Speaker 1: difference in the sentencing guidelines, you know you're gonna say
Speaker 1: one is one is more harsher than the other. You
Speaker 1: would think that they would say, Okay, since this is
Speaker 1: the purest form we get, we you can we catch
Speaker 1: you with this. You're gone, you know, but it's now
Speaker 1: now this is the black us. We're gonna hit you hard.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of that that, you know, these people
Speaker 1: hear you. Yeah, you got, you got, you get five
Speaker 1: years ten years probation for a keylo cocaine and a
Speaker 1: life sentence for a dime rock. Yeah, I mean it's well,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm exaggerating, but it's still sick though. And
Speaker 1: then I think it was Robin Williams that said, here's
Speaker 1: your cocaine, here's your baking part. You gotta cook this
Speaker 1: ship yourself ship. Being in the NFL, you've seen a lot, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, you NFL pretty much don't get any bigger
Speaker 1: than that. Like, that's that's the ultimate floor, that's the
Speaker 1: dance for many that's the dance. That's the dance for
Speaker 1: so so I'm sure that there were times when you
Speaker 1: walked into rooms and they said, here it is, baby,
Speaker 1: have at it. How do you respond the first time
Speaker 1: you walked in that? What? What? What was it like
Speaker 1: the first time, because I'm I'm I just assuming that
Speaker 1: you had to walk it into at least one room
Speaker 1: and see that and go like you have to make
Speaker 1: a choice. Uh, not really, man, it was more you
Speaker 1: never seen that. You never never seen that. I never
Speaker 1: seen that. It was but how many times have you
Speaker 1: seen it in the entertainment I'm talking to you, okay,
Speaker 1: but how many times you never said that I've seen
Speaker 1: a few times it was. It was more, you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that was it was just more of the
Speaker 1: all the guys with the women for me. For me,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like, hey, if you live in
Speaker 1: apartment complex, there's one guy He's like, hey, man, get
Speaker 1: your ass over here. So I go over there. It's
Speaker 1: wide open, everybody buck naked. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Said ship like that. But other than that, But and
Speaker 1: then the weed man, we were smoking weeds, you know,
Speaker 1: in junior high. No, but I'm trying in the league.
Speaker 1: In the league, man, we I used to twist my
Speaker 1: ship up and put it in my suitcase because we
Speaker 1: went through the we went through uh uh private airports.
Speaker 1: You think it ever affected your performance, like in a
Speaker 1: negative way? No, because it it was kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: Did he give you when you smoke weed? Uh? When
Speaker 1: I smoked weed, gives it com when you smoke weed.
Speaker 1: When you smoke weed back there, it's the same. It's
Speaker 1: the same. It's it's calming, you know, because you know
Speaker 1: it's like this man. Uh, I saw Tony Dorset do
Speaker 1: a thing about his his head, his traumatic head injury, right,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and he said, and this is what
Speaker 1: this shook me up. And I started treating my kids
Speaker 1: different after I saw that. Yeah, he said, uh, he
Speaker 1: said his kids, his daughters were petrified. Was scared of him.
Speaker 1: I think I saw this for thirty or some that was.
Speaker 1: And he said, he said, the the mood swings, you know,
Speaker 1: the violent moon swings, and you know, and cocaine to me,
Speaker 1: rob but I'm just I'm just saying, but go ahead. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's from it's from head. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you go we go from that's why people
Speaker 1: people to see these kids, the NFL players run through
Speaker 1: doors all of a sudden, and and and this and that.
Speaker 1: That's because all your life you were talked to go.
Speaker 1: You had to be you know, you had to be
Speaker 1: from zero to one hundred in the instant. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: had to be damn you know, you had to be
Speaker 1: a little crazy. You had to be. Dis Imagine, I'm
Speaker 1: running and I'm running from behind me twenty yards and
Speaker 1: my job is to not slow down and running the
Speaker 1: running the brat ship. That would be like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's and that's what you and
Speaker 1: that's what your job is based on, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. Man. And I saw that
Speaker 1: in myself with my kids. By you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: there in the room not clean. Oh yeah, hey did
Speaker 1: you did you play with two tall Jones? No? No, no.
Speaker 1: Willie Man said that that guy is seventy years old, bro,
Speaker 1: and he looked like he about forty six Max. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked like man. That man, that man is in
Speaker 1: great shape. Man. He moving around just two tall too
Speaker 1: tall Jones man, class act man, good dude man. He
Speaker 1: played with rogerck Thomas, correct rogerck Thomas got some ship
Speaker 1: going on with him bull with with with his with
Speaker 1: his head from the uh bro. He said he went
Speaker 1: into Walmart and he bought groceries and they said they
Speaker 1: got all the way home before he realized that he
Speaker 1: didn't have the grocers in the car. Like Willie's serious. Man,
Speaker 1: They boy, what's the kid named that that they say
Speaker 1: killed his friend? Uh hernandez bro saying he was when
Speaker 1: they looked at his head to say he was going
Speaker 1: through ship when he was when he was at when
Speaker 1: he was at the University of Miami and they interviewed
Speaker 1: him in the in the locker room. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking soldier the fund. You asked me that
Speaker 1: for you know, that's when I knew the right thing.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, Junior, say out but but now and
Speaker 1: see like say, oh is somebody on the other end
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Yeah, but but to where his his
Speaker 1: brain problems. He dealt with it. But once you so
Speaker 1: the thing is, man and for y'all are to be
Speaker 1: putting the mic down, But for us is when you
Speaker 1: take that helmet off, you cannot replace that. You cannot
Speaker 1: replace that. No, it's nothing that's why Dan Passerini drove,
Speaker 1: uh the sports cars. You know he's racing cars and
Speaker 1: what happened with Dan Pastorini? No, but that's why he did.
Speaker 1: He's trying to replace I just saw him in the
Speaker 1: golf turn. Yeah. No, he's fine, but he but he
Speaker 1: but we try to replace that, We try to replace
Speaker 1: that feeling of being inside that helmet. And you can't,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't. You know so um, but that's
Speaker 1: why Junior say when he killed himself, he shot himself
Speaker 1: in the chest. Come on, and he left he left
Speaker 1: a note that says, checked my brain. Wow, we're talking
Speaker 1: about CT and and CT stands for chronic traumatic what
Speaker 1: what's that? Cephaliza and something like I don't even know. Man,
Speaker 1: let me look at this ship. No, no, no no, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's exceptful. I'm just gonna lock except But but
Speaker 1: you know what, it's so crazypathy something that's cephalopathy and
Speaker 1: cephalopathy cephalopathy, chronic traumatic and cephalic cephalopathy. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: but the problem whatever that means that that's when, that's when,
Speaker 1: that's when that's uh, that's a disease in your brain
Speaker 1: that that that that is that is caused by uh
Speaker 1: trauma like trauma. Blood, trauma like toxic blood in your
Speaker 1: in your brain, toxic blood. And then what's he not?
Speaker 1: The tragedy about the ct E is they can't they
Speaker 1: can't detect it until you're dead. I thought you're ready
Speaker 1: to break some bread though they have been. So this
Speaker 1: is what happened. We found out there's a thing called
Speaker 1: raising normally. Say that again, what does that mean? That
Speaker 1: means me and you and Willie. So it was a
Speaker 1: white boyshting right here. We are inherently not smart. So
Speaker 1: they went ahead and paid all the white boys. Cut
Speaker 1: that ship out with the concussion ship. Yeah it's race Norman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just came out. So why why did not? Why
Speaker 1: did they get paid the white boys? Because race Norman
Speaker 1: means that we are Norman. Like you're making that normal
Speaker 1: race Norman. It's like we So they're saying because we
Speaker 1: get out knew there's not it don't matter because we
Speaker 1: already seriously seriously, yes, man looked that up. Man shot
Speaker 1: man I man I man I all the ass got
Speaker 1: to go to hill something like that. Bro, Like people
Speaker 1: are like myself, I played fullback. I should get money
Speaker 1: just off my fan us a block. I'm head in
Speaker 1: college and in the pro I'm sucking. I'm crash test
Speaker 1: dumb me, Holy ship, whole ship. I'm a crash test
Speaker 1: dumb me on the motherfucker kickoff team. Oh god, damn
Speaker 1: you see that will Oh it's gonna be exposed. The
Speaker 1: NFL is race nor me. Are you kidding me? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: Now they got to cut the chick. They got they
Speaker 1: got to chick. But let's see, they wait, they wait
Speaker 1: for us to die, man, because are our age? What's
Speaker 1: it called when you die at a certain age? It's
Speaker 1: fifty five? Oh god damn you know, so we we're
Speaker 1: coming over at fifty five? How well, biggerl I've seen bigger,
Speaker 1: I've seen too talk big Hall is big girl now
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but yeah there's some people don't live. But
Speaker 1: you got to think about big Girl. Man, Damn my
Speaker 1: live U life. I don't. I love you Big Girl.
Speaker 1: So so uh, it's it's it's it's crazy man, because
Speaker 1: and then like me, I didn't make no millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars when I when I retired, but she
Speaker 1: was a hero to us though, no, no, I'm staying.
Speaker 1: But when I didn't make millions of millions of dollars. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we had this, We had a four one k okay,
Speaker 1: you could get some you can get some of your
Speaker 1: money out of penalty at forty five, right, which I
Speaker 1: wasn't at the time. And then you get all over
Speaker 1: the fifty five and they talked about all these programs
Speaker 1: they got to help us transition out the game. Motherfucker,
Speaker 1: give me my money just then, I'm transition transition smoothfu. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me my ship that I put in into this ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So who holding their nuts
Speaker 1: on the bag? Who specifically? What the give me somebody name?
Speaker 1: Good deal? It's good deal, you dirty low down son.
Speaker 1: But then and then, but then they put my boy,
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent up under him as a player Rep. Blufford,
Speaker 1: so that y'all don't go in so hard because it's
Speaker 1: a brother. It's a brother. And I played with him
Speaker 1: in Miami, Be played with him, Richmond, Richmond Way played
Speaker 1: with him. You know, Damn, man, y'all went through too
Speaker 1: much ship man, I'm talking about God, Damn, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about these injuries. Man. So I So it was like
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. So, uh, one of the
Speaker 1: receivers was taking a shot in his ass. What the fund?
Speaker 1: And I said, man, what is that? He says, tore it?
Speaker 1: Doll man, get you one. I said, okay, So I
Speaker 1: looked it up after you after the is a this
Speaker 1: ship is a post surgery pain reliever and and and
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory. No, it just it just it was the
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory value that was helping supposed to be helping us.
Speaker 1: But we're taking toward doll shots before the game and
Speaker 1: any any hill, any hill of a drug that you
Speaker 1: needed to play. They was given the tour. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't talk about that in the concussion ship Perkas said,
Speaker 1: ship man. Come on, man, oh my god, they need
Speaker 1: to hear this man. They's giving us all that ship man,
Speaker 1: all that ship bro. They and and and and it
Speaker 1: didn't stop. Who is giving this stuff? The team? Doctors,
Speaker 1: team doctor. They had a saying you can't make the
Speaker 1: club and the tub, you can't make the club in
Speaker 1: the What wow? So these uh particular doctors are brought
Speaker 1: to you guys by the NFL. Yeah, the doctors or
Speaker 1: does a team hire the doctor? Team have the doctors?
Speaker 1: I'll be there and then and and the coaching staff
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the front office,
Speaker 1: they all know about this ship. They all know that
Speaker 1: they sticking you out with all kinds of ship to
Speaker 1: get you all to play, get the product on the field. Basically,
Speaker 1: uh crash, dumb cattle back then, back then, basically slaves.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna ask you, what do you think
Speaker 1: about that comment that Cat made about NFL players basically
Speaker 1: being slaves. Yeah, I think I think he's he's right, man,
Speaker 1: because right now, so this is what this is my
Speaker 1: thing with it. If you if you, if if the
Speaker 1: NFL players knew the power that they have, and and
Speaker 1: it's the only thing. Remember Will Smith did I don't
Speaker 1: when he slapped Chris Rock. Okay, so Will Smith? That
Speaker 1: was live TV? Right. I love Chris Rock, But Will
Speaker 1: Smith shut down live TV. The NFL players have the
Speaker 1: power to shut down live TV. So now we're in
Speaker 1: the locker room right now. We played for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: The game is supposed to start at one. We're not
Speaker 1: going out there. God damn. If the game start at
Speaker 1: one and so one o'clock hit, guess guess who phone's
Speaker 1: gonna be ringing? The owner. It's gonna take the owners
Speaker 1: off of us and put it on the owner. Now,
Speaker 1: the owner Toyota and fucking Derito's. They called, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we paid three million dollars for the first spot on
Speaker 1: the on the Sunday game at one o'clock and the
Speaker 1: game didn't start. What the fun out doing? That's all
Speaker 1: they got to do. But they don't know what their
Speaker 1: power is. You know, they don't know what They're happy
Speaker 1: to be. They're happy to be getting the money that
Speaker 1: they're getting. It's more, it's more guaranteed ship doing their way.
Speaker 1: But they don't understand the power and the leverage they had. Man,
Speaker 1: if you shut down live TV, it's a rap. What
Speaker 1: they're gonna do arrest. I think some of these guys
Speaker 1: do understand their power. They just they just don't want
Speaker 1: to exercise their power because their college. You know, some
Speaker 1: I disagree now. I do believe that a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are just collars. And then there are those
Speaker 1: There are those who say, well, you know, I would
Speaker 1: do it, but I'm not gonna just be out here
Speaker 1: all by myself now. And I believe that part. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think too. I think two things can
Speaker 1: be betwit at the same time. And I do believe
Speaker 1: that just like you got college in other industries. You
Speaker 1: have college in sports also. I just don't think I
Speaker 1: think I think that everybody. I think if everyone got
Speaker 1: on the same accord, you know, if everybody was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, when the clock strike twelve fifty nine,
Speaker 1: we're locked in the locker room, but we're not going
Speaker 1: Everybody got to go there. Everybody got to say it,
Speaker 1: we're not going out. That's still gonna be just simple
Speaker 1: to where the game won't start, and the thing exactly
Speaker 1: at four o'clock they do the same thing. So so
Speaker 1: now you got to back back that up into the politics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see, what's gonna happen is that when you say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's everybody get on the same court, what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: is that they're gonna go and they're gonna start searching
Speaker 1: for the weakest links, the ones that they know that
Speaker 1: they can get inside of their head and say, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this for you, And now this person
Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, you know, I'm looking at for myself.
Speaker 1: It happens on it, Yeah, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: That's how that's how you penetrate, just going find the
Speaker 1: weakest link. So back in my rookie year. That's what
Speaker 1: this is, what this is, what the politicis. This is
Speaker 1: when I first saw it. I was blocking for Reggie
Speaker 1: Carb r I p he died a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. Damn think about him every day, man.
Speaker 1: So I'm blocking a Reggie car December twenty second. Cobb
Speaker 1: has a contract that says if he gets a thousand yards,
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. He gets he gets to leave.
Speaker 1: Sorry as Tampa, you know, and we all hope praying
Speaker 1: that they get it right. So we're flying, were flying
Speaker 1: the temple. They reduced his with reps. First player the
Speaker 1: game to lay draw Paul getting nine yards now here
Speaker 1: at nine eighty right, I'll get back to the huddle.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking at that. I'm like, and instead
Speaker 1: of Car, it's Gary Anderson. I said, due, what's up?
Speaker 1: What's Car? He said, I don't know. He's hurt. I
Speaker 1: don't think so ready break boom. Never put him back
Speaker 1: in the game. Go damn. That's how that's that's why
Speaker 1: when you watch football games and you see people that
Speaker 1: you don't think it's hurt, but they're not playing, that's
Speaker 1: why they own the bench. Because it's people's job to
Speaker 1: keep up with them numbers. Man, it's people's job. That
Speaker 1: said called down there on that phone and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: when the defendi get the defense get playing time and
Speaker 1: that comes with a million dollar bonus, set them down.
Speaker 1: Tell him about some ass whoopings on that day, some
Speaker 1: talking about talking about talking about the owner getting his
Speaker 1: ass whooped in front of national television. Man, I'm not
Speaker 1: playing it by my money, man, But look so then
Speaker 1: so so it was twofold. So now they sucked over
Speaker 1: car with his thousand and he out of Tampa because
Speaker 1: we're three and thirteen at the two and thirteen at
Speaker 1: the time, getting ready to lose to Chicago. We end
Speaker 1: up three and thirteen. Now I'm not a rookie foollback
Speaker 1: blocking four thousand yard Russia. So that up, that sucked
Speaker 1: me over. Yeah, yeah, you know. It also goes another
Speaker 1: side to that corn is that when you signed these
Speaker 1: incentive bonuses sometimes it's percentages. So like like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a percentage. So if I already got my percentage,
Speaker 1: I don't want to risk going out there trying to
Speaker 1: catch the ball and end up dropping the ball, and
Speaker 1: now my percentage go down. So you know if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna receive, if you receive, that's not well, no, no,
Speaker 1: put it on. If they put it in the contract.
Speaker 1: Anything can be put in the contract. If they put
Speaker 1: in the contract that I have to catch a certain
Speaker 1: percentage of balls, like I gotta I gotta meet that
Speaker 1: with it. They they slick with it because they don't
Speaker 1: put it on catch it. So they'll they'll say every touchdown,
Speaker 1: you may will give your thousands, but they shoot it on.
Speaker 1: They do it on they do it on basketball that
Speaker 1: a lot of people will. But it's time. We're so
Speaker 1: we're so competitive man, you know I played football. Like
Speaker 1: we're so competitive man until I can't see us laying down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like we we and the
Speaker 1: man don't carry the ball. If you if you break
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, we're gonna find you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: break the last See. That's why you see when people
Speaker 1: like it would be the end of the game and
Speaker 1: the coach tell that running back, hey man, get the ball.
Speaker 1: They can't do it. Yeah, but they put it on
Speaker 1: playing time. So if and the number played we played,
Speaker 1: we placed uh forty, we played seventy two plays on offense,
Speaker 1: you played fifty of them. That's over. So you made
Speaker 1: your percentage on that. But you gotta do that for
Speaker 1: the whole season. You know, you gotta play forty of
Speaker 1: the plays to get that that incentive because the contract
Speaker 1: was incentive laden back then. You know, they didn't really
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't even let you reach it get it.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you get it. Bow So now you're done.
Speaker 1: So now that's that's early on. Then you come now
Speaker 1: you end up with this concussion ship. You know, average
Speaker 1: average average uh salary of a rookie in in the
Speaker 1: nineties a couple hundred thousand and something like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then when you get to be a pro bowler
Speaker 1: five millions, you might go, you might go jump to
Speaker 1: a million, but you're not You're not getting You're not
Speaker 1: getting the money like that. That's what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: my story is I came, I got cut by Miami,
Speaker 1: and I had a good friend, Chico Nelson. He died,
Speaker 1: he was the ballplayer. Uh. He came to my house
Speaker 1: the day after I got cut. He said, Man, I
Speaker 1: want you to meet these people in the South Beach. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's going on down there. I ain't no problem going
Speaker 1: South Beach. So man I went down there and he
Speaker 1: introduced me to an artist named Royal Yakaba, and he
Speaker 1: introduced me to two guys that ended up being my
Speaker 1: best friends, Dave and Elliott Merlis. Okay, so from that meeting,
Speaker 1: I got cut by the Dolphins one morning. The next morning,
Speaker 1: I'm selling sports art, selling sports art. The the man
Speaker 1: took a devalue currency from all over the world and
Speaker 1: made that as his collage. And then I would call
Speaker 1: you that, Brad, send me your favorite action shot, Send
Speaker 1: me your favorite action shot. In a week, I would
Speaker 1: send you a one like this of what the painting
Speaker 1: would look like. If you okay, the painting we're on
Speaker 1: the plane, just just money you're making we made I
Speaker 1: was I didn't sell a painting for under four And
Speaker 1: you know, if it's you and me and we grew
Speaker 1: up rapping together, we grew up playing together. They weren't
Speaker 1: doing it because of the painting. They're doing it because
Speaker 1: because it was bull you know what I mean, just
Speaker 1: trying to support you know what I'm saying, So how
Speaker 1: much money, but but how much money we're looking at,
Speaker 1: like in one year, what's the most you ever made
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, we made thirty in the first
Speaker 1: year doing that voice reloaded podcast to be right back
Speaker 1: after the point and ninety three, you were inactive in
Speaker 1: the NFL, Right, what were you injured? Up? What was
Speaker 1: going on? No? I just uh so when I went
Speaker 1: to Tampa, I got drafted by a coach that nobody
Speaker 1: knows to this, Richard Williams che Williams R. I p.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and fifteen. Hey, nobody knew him. So everybody
Speaker 1: on that team that got released, nobody knew who you were.
Speaker 1: In essence, you get drafted by Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy got
Speaker 1: a job. You got a job. You went to University
Speaker 1: of Miami. You got a job. And and and when
Speaker 1: Jimmy came to Miami, that should have turned into the
Speaker 1: University of Miami off the streets. He left the Cowboys
Speaker 1: right there. He left the Cowboys and went to Miami,
Speaker 1: came to Miami, and my contract happened to be up
Speaker 1: when he came. He don't believe in paying veterans. He
Speaker 1: got to play for Jimmy. I played for Jimmy one year,
Speaker 1: and you played for Don Shooting too, right, Yeah, shoo
Speaker 1: shoot was the man or I loved on shooting. Shooler
Speaker 1: brought me in, put me on the active roster so
Speaker 1: I can get all my money. I ain't doing them
Speaker 1: but flying around and dressing like we dressed right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shoola was a man. And then my my contract was up.
Speaker 1: When when when Jimmy came and you know he, you
Speaker 1: know he I could pay I could pay two rookies,
Speaker 1: you know what I could pay you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and groom him and like I wanted him
Speaker 1: because he didn't he didn't like Jimmy didn't necessarily like veterans,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like a record label
Speaker 1: that no y'all know about the royalties and ship so
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna face you out. They're gonna face you.
Speaker 1: But I love I love up his coaching style. Man,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johns. Man, I'm telling Jimmy Johns din't play, man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So Jimmy knew the axes and the odes
Speaker 1: for real people around him. Jimmy has a degree in psychology.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Jimmy knew how to motivate the players. Man.
Speaker 1: Jimmy went up on the board, he drew a you
Speaker 1: drew a house. You dore a house with one window,
Speaker 1: and in that one window he put the thirteen in.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker. He said, this is the house. Damn Marino
Speaker 1: is the only motherfucker. And now together M like that.
Speaker 1: And then uh a kid from Rice. My boy was
Speaker 1: a linebacker from Rice. He came up there performing on
Speaker 1: special team, which I was. You know, me and him
Speaker 1: played the same position on special team. So we're going
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm making plays, he's making plays. So
Speaker 1: we're watching the film and Jimmy Johnson. Everybody in the
Speaker 1: building watch special teams. That's how much you put on
Speaker 1: that ship. All starters play special teams. Everybody the whole
Speaker 1: team watched the special teams take. You know, So Larry
Speaker 1: is oo is his name? And my boy I call
Speaker 1: him is it because you know we're good friends. We
Speaker 1: just happened to be playing the same position. Man, Larry
Speaker 1: is a We're watching the film kick Off Return. He's
Speaker 1: on the front line. I'm back in the wedge. He
Speaker 1: peeled back, knocked his man down, got up, knock somebody
Speaker 1: else down. Motherucker's Jimmy Johnson stopped the film. Man, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker said, Larry is the call your parents and tell
Speaker 1: him your Miami dolf. I'm like, oh, ship, what then
Speaker 1: I've been to do around this bit? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm meaning? God? Damn? Yeah, man, oh fuck for
Speaker 1: two blocks like that hustle like yeah, And he knew
Speaker 1: how to get it. He knew how to get into
Speaker 1: your head. Yeah, you know. He was the first man
Speaker 1: I heard talking about the pack Melian theory. What the
Speaker 1: fund is that if you keep, if you keep telling
Speaker 1: somebody that they are a thief? Eventually, what's pa Melian theory?
Speaker 1: Pag Malian dope? Something new every day? And uh so
Speaker 1: so with him, I liked this coaching style, but I
Speaker 1: was a veteran, so I didn't fit in his overall plan.
Speaker 1: If you put Jimmy and let's say Don Shuiler in
Speaker 1: the same situation with let's say an average team, which
Speaker 1: one of those guys you think could compel that team
Speaker 1: to victory? I think it will be Uh. I think
Speaker 1: it'll be Demmon because he's more of a motivator. Don
Speaker 1: Shula had us in that. Oh motherfucker's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? That back the old back then was third
Speaker 1: and up uh nine up? Uh? Eric Green, you remember
Speaker 1: that Big Tight and Eric Green from from Play for
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Man, I watched I watched Eric Green every
Speaker 1: game of the season. I walked through the locker room
Speaker 1: for the game Boom, give me some of that hardcore
Speaker 1: ship you listen to. And I would take him my
Speaker 1: headphones because every week before the game he would have
Speaker 1: to get his knee drained to play. It need be
Speaker 1: swolled up full of fluid. Every week he got a
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the swelling of it. And then
Speaker 1: we get on the planes right out of the game
Speaker 1: and all you know, all that pressure cold. God, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm telling you, brother, that ship is Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I saw the bus. Wasn't it William the
Speaker 1: bus who played for Pittsburgh? Uh? Uh the bus, come on, bus,
Speaker 1: But I know bus. I know the bus. William his
Speaker 1: name Shot. I can't think I'm the bus man. Hold on,
Speaker 1: but what about it? So I saw a video of him.
Speaker 1: He can't walk upstare, Yeah, like going through his daily routine.
Speaker 1: And man, the dude. So dude was getting out of
Speaker 1: bed and it's his knees was snapped, crackling and pop
Speaker 1: and he and it took him seemed like it took
Speaker 1: him five minutes just to roll out of bed. Damn
Speaker 1: nothing by the team, and I think he was steal
Speaker 1: in his thirties. When when when I saw that video, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a big girl, and hey, how many
Speaker 1: knee surgeries? Man? Now the thing with Miami, I got
Speaker 1: to see the best quarterback ever uploading person Dan Arena.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of the two hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: people they caught a touchdown from Damn Arena. You know,
Speaker 1: so so so I yeah, but it ended up being
Speaker 1: I got tossed out. But you caught three touchdowns from
Speaker 1: Damn Arena too, one, one, one, you know. But you
Speaker 1: know so that that My time in Miami was good.
Speaker 1: But now you have to go back to if you
Speaker 1: don't retire in the team in the city where you played.
Speaker 1: It's rough man. Even though me being from Houston. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, they're gonna with the Texans retirees
Speaker 1: before they work with me. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna. They're not gonna do that. So let's
Speaker 1: go back to the paint. But but before you go further,
Speaker 1: do you think that had anything to do with your
Speaker 1: your lack of visibility in the city because you you know,
Speaker 1: you wasn't really out, you know, and about in the city.
Speaker 1: You know when when when you were playing here are
Speaker 1: in Houston? Yeah, like we didn't really see you out anywhere,
Speaker 1: like you know, like I saw a few times, but
Speaker 1: I don't under staying we really didn't see you. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And I think so if the people
Speaker 1: don't see you like that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: they may you know, that's a that tends to be
Speaker 1: a bit of disconnect. And then and then you're right.
Speaker 1: But then when I came back and saw what Santana
Speaker 1: was doing in Houston, already we love you. What's up there? Bro?
Speaker 1: When I sped Santana, I just dumped jumped from sale.
Speaker 1: Yeah boos having the baby. Oh I don't know, okay, Instagram,
Speaker 1: I just I just is it on Instagram? But what's
Speaker 1: you know? You go to the back to the paintings
Speaker 1: and uh, my, my, my, my journey after football started
Speaker 1: with the painting, right, So me and me and Dave
Speaker 1: and Elliot Merlin's were sitting there like, man, you know
Speaker 1: what if we can set at least my fucking painting,
Speaker 1: so that The collection was called Money Players Players who
Speaker 1: come through in the Clutch. So we're just like, man,
Speaker 1: we could sell payton for twelve d hundred Eddie George
Speaker 1: on when Eddie George did Cribs, we had a painting
Speaker 1: that was seven ft long and uh seven foot long
Speaker 1: and three ft wide and he was up on his
Speaker 1: on his fireplace. It was him and he had it
Speaker 1: was a college picture that we did. It was him
Speaker 1: and he had like nine people from Notre Dame chasing him,
Speaker 1: you know. So he was like, man, if we can
Speaker 1: do this, let's let's knock this ship back to church
Speaker 1: and hats. So we launched Money Players clothing line, you know, man.
Speaker 1: So me and the Day went down the garment district
Speaker 1: in Miami and and got sourced to all that ship
Speaker 1: out came out with the with the Money Players man,
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. And and and we did that.
Speaker 1: Then we shot a documentary on high school football down there,
Speaker 1: the Soul Bowl. We did uh Blanche Eli High School
Speaker 1: and dealing high school to the oldest black uh high
Speaker 1: schools in for a lot of them. So we did that, uh.
Speaker 1: And then so I came back to came back and
Speaker 1: then my you know, my brother in law's Kevin Smith
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys, three times super Bowl champion, Pup Kevin
Speaker 1: Pup Smith. And so he called me, you know about
Speaker 1: the music business. He's like, man, come on down there.
Speaker 1: I was still in in Miami. He's like, man, come
Speaker 1: on down to Houston. Man, I mean, come on down
Speaker 1: to Dallas. Mane you can you can, you know, run
Speaker 1: the studio. Blah blah blah. I say, okay, I went
Speaker 1: down there, run the studio. Uh. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going on and when I before I got there.
Speaker 1: But once I got there, you know, you had people,
Speaker 1: lazy people, blah blah blah. And I wasn't putting up
Speaker 1: with that ship. So the office part of the the
Speaker 1: office part of the studio, I moved into my one
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment. I put that ship in the bedroom and
Speaker 1: I had my bed out in the living room at
Speaker 1: my apartment, you know, because we didn't. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not like, man, I'm not doing this ship. If these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't want to work, I'm not. I'm not funny
Speaker 1: to be sitting here all day bullshitting with them, you know.
Speaker 1: So did that came back? So that was around That
Speaker 1: was two thousands, I'm back home. Two thousand, I started over,
Speaker 1: brolet's be straight up. I started over, staying at my
Speaker 1: ain house in him Clark Jeweler gonsuh, she's my arm's sister.
Speaker 1: So I started over. Two thousand, went to went back.
Speaker 1: When I went back and coach that worthy, let me
Speaker 1: ask yourself, how does that go, like from going from
Speaker 1: the NFL the line like two basically coming back like
Speaker 1: resetting like restarted when you start every day, Joe, What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that, how was that any pressure for
Speaker 1: you to to excel, you know and get back to
Speaker 1: the top like you were not necessarily the NFL, but
Speaker 1: you know, to be this guy that everybody looking at
Speaker 1: saying like he made it because now you know you
Speaker 1: you you went to the top and then now you're
Speaker 1: back in the hood, you know. And I'm sure there
Speaker 1: had to be some murmurs, people talking ship saying some
Speaker 1: slick ship. Yeah, at least at least one family member
Speaker 1: because they're the worst family. But not my family. My
Speaker 1: family took me in, man, because I called my uncle
Speaker 1: head r I p uh, I said, Man, I'm coming home.
Speaker 1: He's like, come on. That was my aunt's husband. So
Speaker 1: I went there, moved upstairs. That's when I started coaching
Speaker 1: that worthy went over there. All my coaches were still there,
Speaker 1: Coach Evans and coach Snow and all of them. They
Speaker 1: took me in and uh, I started. I started, you know,
Speaker 1: working with the kids over there. And then we got
Speaker 1: that year. We had five x NFL players on the
Speaker 1: coaching staff myself when Coreya came, when coreas my roommate
Speaker 1: out of a and m you know, and uh and
Speaker 1: you know, so fast forward. Man, If you if you
Speaker 1: don't have a if you don't have a hustle, if
Speaker 1: you don't have a hustle in you, you're break man,
Speaker 1: you know. And so you gotta have a hustle, and
Speaker 1: you gotta be humble. That's what you was asking about.
Speaker 1: You know. You gotta be your hustle and humble go together,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the pride you can't
Speaker 1: wear that pride can't be cloaked in pride. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what people getting messed up, you know. So I
Speaker 1: the fall come before the fall, man, And and man,
Speaker 1: I just I just kept hustling, man and did good
Speaker 1: at at at Worthing. We was nine and old till
Speaker 1: we ran in the vin Young in the dome. So
Speaker 1: you know, we had a hell of a team, a
Speaker 1: lot of kids of college, you know. But that was
Speaker 1: that was it. So then I ended up through my
Speaker 1: A and M. I'm with to Texas A and M University. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was driving point one yards per carry. I was
Speaker 1: at I was driving hot shots for Beeline delivery. And
Speaker 1: this is what my story gets crazy. I'm driving hot shots.
Speaker 1: I'm downtown driving hot shots for Beline delivery. I get
Speaker 1: a phone call Mr Galson County. Sure, goddamn it, Mr Wilson,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting outside the house were living in Dickinson. Mr Wisdom,
Speaker 1: sitting outside the house, got one for your rest? What
Speaker 1: the fun? Some kind of some kind of deal up
Speaker 1: in the college station. Is my oldest boy child support?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I said. I told him.
Speaker 1: I said, sir, can you hear the truck running? I said,
Speaker 1: you hear my truck running? I said, I'm on the
Speaker 1: highway right now. I said, I'm working literally right at
Speaker 1: this moment to get the money for the child support.
Speaker 1: Right So man, let's dude. So he said, you know what,
Speaker 1: Mrs Wilson, I believe that, And I'll get you to monday.
Speaker 1: But for me to get till monday, I had to
Speaker 1: shoot them, you know what I mean. So I go
Speaker 1: to I go up there, man, get get this, get
Speaker 1: this going, and I'm going the thing man these people,
Speaker 1: and I still feel like I should shoot Attorney general
Speaker 1: for this. Everybody. This motherfucker's charged me. That motherfucker's charged me.
Speaker 1: Not seven is of Dolphin Miami. Dolphin pay, bro. If
Speaker 1: you don't get it for seven, damn the gave for
Speaker 1: two years, three years, three year. If you don't get
Speaker 1: a check from the Dolphins, bro, obviously I'm not employed
Speaker 1: that anymore. Well with your responsibility to do the blue,
Speaker 1: Blue Blue, I said, no, motherfucker, this is so. The
Speaker 1: niggas wont one oh eight, bro, they want six figures.
Speaker 1: I went to that courthouse, man, and the court the
Speaker 1: judge was fed up. And I remember I'm driving for
Speaker 1: Beatline at the time. I'm driving as my job and
Speaker 1: my last name started with a debut. Everybody before me
Speaker 1: went up there. They had the women and they had
Speaker 1: the judge. The judge say asking women, would you like
Speaker 1: to leave him his back page, any of this back pay?
Speaker 1: Every woman said no, every last one of them. I
Speaker 1: went in. Uh, I got up, I wrote my I
Speaker 1: wrote Matthew's mom, dell on your bar a note. I said,
Speaker 1: please say eighty that she would relieve me of eighty
Speaker 1: thousand of the back pager. Right man, But before then,
Speaker 1: everybody when she said no, the judge is like hunt
Speaker 1: night days, suspend your license, und D days, suspend your
Speaker 1: license un day spending likes to everybody. Man, old white
Speaker 1: man walked up there on a cane and sold. He said, Judge,
Speaker 1: I worked on the board on the barbecue truck. I
Speaker 1: made four hundred dollars a month, sent two hundred hundred
Speaker 1: eight days, suspend your license. That's when I started learning
Speaker 1: about your support. You know, about what you need to do.
Speaker 1: He told that man. He told everybody that. He said,
Speaker 1: if you cut a yard and you made ten dollars,
Speaker 1: send five. Put some on them books every month, because
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's going on your back. Can pay
Speaker 1: anyway what you don't seeing. But if you don't have
Speaker 1: something on them books every month, you're not making no effort. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we got up there. We finally got up there
Speaker 1: in front of the people. Now to judge, remember me,
Speaker 1: I will is the full back because I'm up in
Speaker 1: college station. Yeah, yeah, what's up? Man? So you know,
Speaker 1: he on the sign boom boom. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: sold this, it's gonna go right. They flipped on me right.
Speaker 1: Then he started talking to her. He said, ma'am. First thing,
Speaker 1: he said, ma'am, you know once you because she said eighty.
Speaker 1: She said, you said you want to leave it from
Speaker 1: the back page. She said, hey they. I said yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and she said eighty. She said eighty thousands. She said, man,
Speaker 1: you know, once you just once you do this, this
Speaker 1: money goes away and never comes back. So that was one.
Speaker 1: That was one bullet. I took that, ma'am, are you sure?
Speaker 1: Another bullock? Look? But look so then the motherfucker said,
Speaker 1: do you want another court date? I sew my hand.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1: He's like Mr Wilson calmed down, and I said, she
Speaker 1: said eighty man with them, He said, man, do you
Speaker 1: want another court dat? And by this time she's shaking
Speaker 1: dog wow and I said and she said no, we're good.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom. Because I told her, I said, look,
Speaker 1: I just I'll go on my retirement and give you
Speaker 1: the rest out of that. If you say eighty you
Speaker 1: know so, man, So I was able to drive home
Speaker 1: after that. So, you know so after that, I did
Speaker 1: be Line delivery that summer gas hit a dollar ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't do be Lyne delivery no more.
Speaker 1: My wife was traveling Angela Wilson, my wife was traveling
Speaker 1: for work, and we had two boys. So I said, look,
Speaker 1: we're playing fine hunted. We're playing hunted for uh, for
Speaker 1: the lady to watch the boys. And I'm doing four
Speaker 1: hunting and gas right now. You're traveling. I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna shut this down. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: the boys for the suthing while you travel, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna just save all that money, you know. So. And
Speaker 1: at the end of that summer, man, Uh, my uncle
Speaker 1: and uh one of the aggies was at the Houstonian
Speaker 1: Golfing country Club and uh I end up getting a
Speaker 1: job there at the end of that summer. And I
Speaker 1: worked at the Houstonian Golfing Country Club for twelve years.
Speaker 1: So it's it's about so when I say all of that,
Speaker 1: man to say, it's about bridging that gap. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You got to bridge you got to
Speaker 1: be able to bridge that gap. And that's what I
Speaker 1: tell my my kids and anybody else, anybody who listened.
Speaker 1: I said, like them youngsters right now, I said, Man,
Speaker 1: get your paperwork in order, because y'all not built for
Speaker 1: the school of hard knocks. Bro y'are not you know,
Speaker 1: growing up in the suburbs and all that ship You're not.
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not groom for that. What's your relationship
Speaker 1: like with your kids? Yeah, boys, revoted podcast will be
Speaker 1: right back after the point. Let's talk about your book, Man.
Speaker 1: Hits in politics, the big hits in politics, Big big
Speaker 1: hits in politics. Yes, sir, don't always a lot of
Speaker 1: best players don't always play and and that that. So
Speaker 1: when I first started writing the book, man, I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna be talking about, uh what I just
Speaker 1: talked about, some of the stuff in the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: when my boys were starting, literally, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: when I found out that's where the politics start. And
Speaker 1: literally it's I'm not gonna say a white man, but
Speaker 1: a man. A man would become a president of a
Speaker 1: whole youth organization so his unathletic son can play quarterback.
Speaker 1: M you know, it's cold blood. I've seen that too
Speaker 1: many times. The dad and the coach, and the sun
Speaker 1: is the quarterback son, but his daddy the coach. So
Speaker 1: it started there. And then when they got to a
Speaker 1: parley in high school politics, and now head coach got
Speaker 1: two sons. My son played receiver, hit son played tight
Speaker 1: end and receiver. They're catching mobiles and my son what
Speaker 1: we're doing? So got over with that. And then so
Speaker 1: I moved my my youngest that's at Midwestern State right now,
Speaker 1: I moved him to Manville for his senior year. I
Speaker 1: told him straight up, I said, Ben, if you stay apparently,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be in jail half the season because
Speaker 1: I'm back, and I'm gonna block these driveways as some
Speaker 1: of these coaches at five in the morning asking what
Speaker 1: they really what are we really doing? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was that serious. So we went to Manfield.
Speaker 1: He had a good senior year. Now he had Midwestern State.
Speaker 1: What year was that senior year? Ben was ship And
Speaker 1: so we we don't we don't have um, we don't
Speaker 1: have a do are you mentioning names in the book? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dropping the name? Just tell me what you're saying what
Speaker 1: it is like when I was at UH Dallas. I
Speaker 1: went to Green Bay, right, so this is how, this
Speaker 1: is how the meeting rooms are set up for the
Speaker 1: running backs. Me, you know, so we're the running back.
Speaker 1: So y'all already in Green Bay. I come in the door.
Speaker 1: I look at these two motherfucker's. They got the same
Speaker 1: kind of hand cut the parking lot. They both got
Speaker 1: a black fire thirty five and its Green Bay. So
Speaker 1: it don't matter how many people I knocked the funk out,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna break up this continuity for me. The
Speaker 1: right on the wall as soon as you walk in there.
Speaker 1: I was just a body for camp, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? A body for camp for camp, you know? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'll go to that's three. I went to live
Speaker 1: with my buddy Quentin in Indianapolis. He's playing for the coach.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have worked out for them, blah blah. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: they love you, man, drink coach love you to everybody
Speaker 1: loves you. So we died in Dallas UH at Kevin
Speaker 1: Smith department. He was a second year player. He comes
Speaker 1: from practice. He said, bull, they got a locker with
Speaker 1: your name in it. I said, huh, and now, mind you,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be leaving the next day to go
Speaker 1: sign with Indy. God damn it. And he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they gotta lock it with your name. Man, So this
Speaker 1: the Cowboys on. So I was like, man, we sat
Speaker 1: there at the table and we thought. I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I said, may you know what if I get sucked
Speaker 1: up again, I'm being Texas. So when I went on
Speaker 1: and signed with the Cowboys, you know, wasn't a bad
Speaker 1: wasn't a bad move. You know, I wouldn't have never
Speaker 1: ended up in Miami if I hadn't signed with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know. But I don't know what I hadn't what
Speaker 1: Indianapolis having a stake for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with with the owner, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones at all? Did you ever meet him? Yeah, Jared Jones.
Speaker 1: After every game he's standing at the locker room. He
Speaker 1: shake every player hand going back into the locker room.
Speaker 1: He's just checking on the product. Yeah, he Jared Jed Jones.
Speaker 1: Just a word. That's how he comes out to me.
Speaker 1: He comes out and ignoble, dude, you know he told
Speaker 1: me ignoble. Yeah, noble. He comes but when he went
Speaker 1: when he won a ride with me, was when he said,
Speaker 1: all our players are gonna to the line and we're
Speaker 1: not kneeling. That's what I'm saying. Stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: like taking rights away. Man exposed himself, you know, during
Speaker 1: that whole Trump era. Yeah, he exposed him said he
Speaker 1: got exposed during the Trump era because at first it
Speaker 1: looked like, oh, he's he's he's the guy, he's looking
Speaker 1: out for the black guys. And now you know this,
Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that he only was looking out for
Speaker 1: the really, really good black players, the guys who could
Speaker 1: really play. As long as you could help him win,
Speaker 1: he was on your team. And then so I go
Speaker 1: to Dallas, Green Bay, I mean leave Green Bay ninety three,
Speaker 1: go to Dallas and went to that camp. I'm knocking
Speaker 1: motherfucker's out. I got more respect in Dallas camp then
Speaker 1: I did for playing because I was laying motherfucker's out
Speaker 1: like that. All the players, all the coaches, they knew
Speaker 1: what it was. But I got this guy, Emmy Smith, Damn,
Speaker 1: Emma Smith. Got this guy. We come off the field,
Speaker 1: He's like, man, make go make my Matrex shape. Don't
Speaker 1: make his what go make his shake after practice shape
Speaker 1: for a call in it. Man. No, No, there's a
Speaker 1: guy that he had like a dude boy know his
Speaker 1: dude boy. He telling the dude boy, go make go
Speaker 1: do this, go do that, because I got to say
Speaker 1: it didn't come off that tack. No no, and then
Speaker 1: we go. But then but then, but the dude doing
Speaker 1: it on his own, you know, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: what it was. And then so then I found out
Speaker 1: the year before I got there, they cut that dude
Speaker 1: when they went to the playoffs. Emit the next day,
Speaker 1: went over there and didn't speak to nobody from Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones on down, didn't speak, didn't say a word. Next
Speaker 1: week he was back. They brother back. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: up against. Man, you already got moose. Moves ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta respect moves. Moves
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. So that's what I'm up again. You know,
Speaker 1: it would go with the politics again, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But you know, so when you when you
Speaker 1: when you came into the league, you know you was
Speaker 1: you was you know, you was that dude in Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you went from that to being
Speaker 1: a journeyman. Uh, basically like and that's what helped me.
Speaker 1: That's what helped me. Being the dude helped me when
Speaker 1: I wasn't to do because when I went to Tampa,
Speaker 1: we started the season with just one fullback me, They
Speaker 1: ran everybody else off. So I had seen that process,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't say one day
Speaker 1: that's gonna be me, but it ended up being that way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So so how do the
Speaker 1: follow apart in Tampa? Bato? You know, I know it
Speaker 1: was a three and thirteen season, didn't help but coach,
Speaker 1: but she still was productive that year. Coach got fired.
Speaker 1: Coach got fired. They brought Sam White shan. Now the
Speaker 1: politics of that was Bront saying White sham super Bowl winning.
Speaker 1: He won the Super Bowl and eight right, so what
Speaker 1: was he coaching the Ridskins. The Bengals cut that ship out.
Speaker 1: So now you're sitting there, Remember I told you, if
Speaker 1: you if if a coach draft you, if you win
Speaker 1: with a coach, you always have a job. If you
Speaker 1: have a job, All of a sudden, motherfucking everybody from
Speaker 1: the Bengals start showing up in the locker room. So
Speaker 1: once again, the riding's on the wall, you know. So.
Speaker 1: But my thing is, man, what I tell the kids,
Speaker 1: my boys, I said, look, we watched that last preseason
Speaker 1: game every year, and I said, look, man, they're going
Speaker 1: down from They're going from eighty five to sixty five
Speaker 1: to fifty three sixty five. Most of them play that.
Speaker 1: Most of that twenty will never play again. Wow, will
Speaker 1: never play again. Half of that twenty. It's gonna flip
Speaker 1: off into depression because they don't have nothing to fall
Speaker 1: back on, whether it's a degree or job or you know,
Speaker 1: if you're good with your hands, none of that. Man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, is the NFL doing enough in safety
Speaker 1: protocols in regards to concussions and head injuries? Uh? I
Speaker 1: think it is. I think I think what they're doing
Speaker 1: is is is helping, But they're not. But it's that's
Speaker 1: why you see all these other catastrophic injuries. Now, because
Speaker 1: if I'm coming, you're coming to me full speed. I'm
Speaker 1: coming and you and you so Brad coming to me
Speaker 1: full speed. What are you gonna do when you get there.
Speaker 1: He's gonna take my knees out. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Ain't no more head to head up, the hand, the head.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's all these knee injuries and people
Speaker 1: people getting hurt like that. And then it's the game
Speaker 1: is so much softer. They don't they don't hit. You
Speaker 1: can't hit, but twice a week not all this bullshit.
Speaker 1: So last year, the first five games of the regular
Speaker 1: season was really as far as NFL players bodies was concerned,
Speaker 1: was the preseason. That's why it was all his injuries.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's out there non contact. Motherfucker cut his achilles, gone
Speaker 1: cut his knee, blow up. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You haven't prepared your body to take that, to take
Speaker 1: that punchent. Yeah, man, it's it's it's it's wild, man,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's wild. But you know, you gotta they
Speaker 1: gotta keep fighting a good fight man, and and and
Speaker 1: uh try to We gotta get this. We gotta get
Speaker 1: this concussion thing shuttle, you know, because Norman. Let's say
Speaker 1: I'm a new guy coming into the league. Well I'm
Speaker 1: not even in the league yet. I'm I'm a new guy.
Speaker 1: That's I'm the man. I'm playing football, and I'm really
Speaker 1: really good at football on any level. Let's just say
Speaker 1: I'm I'm let's just say, I'm high school age and
Speaker 1: I'm cold with it. What's your advice. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get to the league. I'm everybody looking at me like
Speaker 1: I'm that dude. I'm all area this, I'm national this.
Speaker 1: What's your advice to me and my parents? Business wise
Speaker 1: in the NFL business? Oh, I'm glad. There's a great question.
Speaker 1: Glad you asked that is business wise? Is know what
Speaker 1: you want to do on the way in as far
Speaker 1: as business? You know what I mean? Because, like me,
Speaker 1: the phone call is different because like if I'm on
Speaker 1: the team and I'm calling trying to do business with you. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's uh Miami Dolphin Robert Wilson, I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Oh ship boom, after I'm not on the team,
Speaker 1: it's your name comes last. Hey, former former Miami Dolphin
Speaker 1: fullback Robert Wilson want to talk to you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying former, So that that's a different spin.
Speaker 1: You know, then they're not even gonna do business with you.
Speaker 1: They want active players, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: my my, so they have this uh thing where they
Speaker 1: take all of the top draft picks and have coaches
Speaker 1: talk to him about this and that, but they don't
Speaker 1: talk to everybody about it. But so my my advice
Speaker 1: would be, I would say, look, man, find out what
Speaker 1: you wanna do after football, and started while you acted.
Speaker 1: Started now, because the phone call is different when you're acting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, you ain't farmer farmer rappers right. They
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to me no more. He's a
Speaker 1: farmer rapper right right right on top of that game.
Speaker 1: If you had, you know, a hot single out or something,
Speaker 1: ye like, yeah, okay, give him my number, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's what I would tell him. I'll say, man,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, let that team come from Let that
Speaker 1: phone call come from the team, because they've got people
Speaker 1: whose job that is you know, you name that big
Speaker 1: hits and politics. Here in politics, the best players don't
Speaker 1: always play by the best players always at you on
Speaker 1: social media. And first of all, that book is available
Speaker 1: on Amazon. Amazon Book a book on Amazon right now
Speaker 1: coming out with The Harker. I have to thank my
Speaker 1: good friend and fellow aggy Shanidria Wagner. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you why it took me eight years man to
Speaker 1: do this book, maybe nine. You have to get right
Speaker 1: in the head to go in right. No, I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: about the goddamn meetings. I'm forgetting about the goddamn book session. Wow,
Speaker 1: so you're forgetting too. So you started it actually eight
Speaker 1: years ago completed? No? No, are you having the same
Speaker 1: CTV we all do? Man? No ship? Yes? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why we man? We need to fight? Man man man
Speaker 1: man a man man. Listen, I'm I'm I got my
Speaker 1: boys at the doctor's office. I did this ship up
Speaker 1: to as recently as a month ago. Leave a mothering
Speaker 1: pot on the stove and I'm out the door. Anybody's
Speaker 1: doing this, I'm hearing this story from you. Who are
Speaker 1: you working with in regards to trying to recover some
Speaker 1: some some funds you know, for these injuries you suffered? Uh?
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm working with Dr Cornella Manix. She's uh,
Speaker 1: she's uh. She works with brain injuries. She works with
Speaker 1: people that have brain injuries and like that. Her company
Speaker 1: is called dot org. But who is she working and
Speaker 1: then she is she working with these We all have lawyers.
Speaker 1: We all have lawyers, and it's called uh nf L
Speaker 1: Concussions Claims Administrator. They have a claims administrator that you
Speaker 1: go through. But are you are you is this somebody
Speaker 1: that that the NFL or some group that answers right
Speaker 1: here in conflict the inswest is the same lay that
Speaker 1: represents the NFL represent you all too? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was the same doctors because they went, they went,
Speaker 1: and they went, we all went got tested and all
Speaker 1: this ship. No no, no, the doctors, like the doctors
Speaker 1: that gave favorable uh responses what we had, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they can't take their word no more. They
Speaker 1: cut the doctor lists in half and all the mother's
Speaker 1: that was given favorable you know, ship. Then you know
Speaker 1: they knocked us out. They knocked us on. But like
Speaker 1: I tell them, man, because I like to fish. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Man, I listen, I got, I got,
Speaker 1: I got partners homeboards right now, Bro, they will not
Speaker 1: come on this shower. They will not come on this
Speaker 1: Why not because they're showing some kind of It takes
Speaker 1: some kind of cognitive ability. God damn it. I had
Speaker 1: my homework come to my house and we're sitting in
Speaker 1: the backyard. He wouldn't put his phone on the damn fence.
Speaker 1: How I said, what they're doing, bro? Man, motherfucker's following me?
Speaker 1: Many He said, they followed the NFL. He said, they've
Speaker 1: got people following. That's what he said. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: you're taking the ship too far. Bro. I was like,
Speaker 1: and so my thing is as an a former NFL player,
Speaker 1: you got to be able to have a good day. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't have a good day. Well, motherfucker might see
Speaker 1: you playing golf or fishing or riding a bike. Come out.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Bullshit, Man, do you ever
Speaker 1: get violent tendencies? Yeah? Right, So not to a person.
Speaker 1: So long story short, My son Benjamin was a nine
Speaker 1: grade basketball team. Man, my wife went out to eat.
Speaker 1: We're going it's his birthday had just passed, so he
Speaker 1: had his money. So, you know, nine grades, he want
Speaker 1: to have his money on it. So he called the
Speaker 1: call phone. I could heard his voice and I said,
Speaker 1: they got his money. Somebody took his money. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and coach somebody, what you want me to do? Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Right, so he knows though, he knows me.
Speaker 1: So um so me and my wife go up to
Speaker 1: the school. We went up to the school and I
Speaker 1: don't know why I called the police. I said, magic,
Speaker 1: then I need somebody come up to the school. They
Speaker 1: stole my boys money. Blah blah blah. The bust pull
Speaker 1: up and I don't know why they let me get
Speaker 1: on that bus. M hm. I got on that bus.
Speaker 1: I said, I want my fucking money now, and the
Speaker 1: money magically appeared. So I got in. So there's like,
Speaker 1: miss wilson't you have to go out the bus. So
Speaker 1: I'm walking around the bus. My wife, go get in
Speaker 1: the car, Go get in the car. I'm walking around
Speaker 1: the back of the bus. I hit the back window. Now,
Speaker 1: cracked the back window. Oh ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Cracked the back window of the bus. Now the police
Speaker 1: that I called put me in the back of his car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you went a man so so, but that's that
Speaker 1: zero to the hundred, so that the money you ever
Speaker 1: get recovered. All of a sudden, it's a hundred and
Speaker 1: nine dollars on the back of the bus, on the floor.
Speaker 1: So they came and let me out the car. I
Speaker 1: went off again because I see the man counting out
Speaker 1: the money to my wife. So I'm talking to the coach.
Speaker 1: I said, coach, see you do have a fucking thief
Speaker 1: on your goddamn team. They counting out the money. So
Speaker 1: everybody started rushing me back to the car because they
Speaker 1: want the police was coming to the restume at that point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, this ship like that.
Speaker 1: And then then they banned me from the campus. They
Speaker 1: banned me from what But what's that parental instincts kicking
Speaker 1: in or what's that something to do? I think you
Speaker 1: haven't happened. It was happening because the cracker back window
Speaker 1: on the bus. I mean, you didn't shoot out the
Speaker 1: back one shooting out the bass inwards. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: told him, I told him. I told him x NFL
Speaker 1: running down. Oh my god, this is bad. I told him.
Speaker 1: I said, I said, coach, you won't have no copycasts.
Speaker 1: Then my son with school next day, so I called
Speaker 1: the principal. I said, hey, man, you know what, my
Speaker 1: older son running track. So you banned me from the school,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch my son running track, He said, Mrs Will.
Speaker 1: Half the basketball team did not come to school today
Speaker 1: because they thought he was gonna be up here looking
Speaker 1: for Oh Jesus, I'm saying I was think that man, Bro,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But that's that's what you know.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you don't get and where does
Speaker 1: your sign play? What school is he he was apparently
Speaker 1: in that time he was a freshman freshman basketball team.
Speaker 1: But he said, he said, uh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's funny or not, but it's funny to him, he said,
Speaker 1: I went to school dad, I was a rock star.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, man, but but
Speaker 1: but that's that's that's kinda but he shouldn't had all
Speaker 1: him you know, the parents. They don't take me all
Speaker 1: that money on your at that at one time. But
Speaker 1: but that's the kind of ship that happened. Man. And
Speaker 1: you never you never know what trigger it's gonna trigger.
Speaker 1: That the ultimate response. Man, I'm so glad we're having
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think the world needs to hear that
Speaker 1: that CTE concussions, those those hits to the head, man,
Speaker 1: you know, even in boxing, like those hits in the
Speaker 1: head really caused That's that's right. That's what kept me
Speaker 1: from going back boxing. Yeah, it's going to my hand,
Speaker 1: but it's getting hard as here to Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: it's but it's like, because I like to fight for real,
Speaker 1: you know, like I like I like, I like the
Speaker 1: energy of fighting, you know, what I'm saying, like like
Speaker 1: what it likes. It's something you know, I become like
Speaker 1: a monster, like really like and I want to just destroy,
Speaker 1: just like you're in a football field. You're trained, like
Speaker 1: just coming through the phone man into somebody, you turned
Speaker 1: into something different. Man. And but but I do. But
Speaker 1: I'm always cognizant because I see so many dudes who
Speaker 1: just in there just recently retired from basket from boxing
Speaker 1: is something thirty some years old, and most skills bro
Speaker 1: motor skills gone. I remember seeing Iran Barkley in New
Speaker 1: York had a fight once and then I said, I
Speaker 1: ran and he turned around like this sugar Ray Leonard too, man,
Speaker 1: uh huh, like what's up? Will it d wrong? No,
Speaker 1: this is years ago. It's like really years ago, Iran.
Speaker 1: I ain't no telling what shape Iran is in right now, Shannon, Shannon,
Speaker 1: the cannon looked pretty good still too. I mean he
Speaker 1: looks real good right now too. He's still there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know another sport that mikes
Speaker 1: that deals with it too is hockey. Man. I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing about hockey. Man. I watched the physical really
Speaker 1: and they let him fight. So that's why I ain't
Speaker 1: hockey player, got no teeth. Yeah, it's physical and they
Speaker 1: let him fight man, so so cold bloody you can't.
Speaker 1: It's bad man. So that would that would have That's
Speaker 1: that's what I was just looking at. So that would
Speaker 1: have been when I saw it, right, it's like right
Speaker 1: after they died. But then my boy, my boy hot Smith.
Speaker 1: I talked to Hotsmith a lot. Yeah, but he's doing
Speaker 1: he remember he went into boxing. He went into boxing
Speaker 1: because what can't replace me? And in the Heilman, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you can't replace it. And so
Speaker 1: that's why that's why when I go fishing, it would
Speaker 1: have been good with with with with with with the
Speaker 1: Heilman on for for practice. But the problem is when
Speaker 1: you take it off for the profile. You aight. But
Speaker 1: but like with them tests and then they take they
Speaker 1: take us all these tests and basically the tests all
Speaker 1: they do. They asked you it's like three hours, right,
Speaker 1: and they asked you during the three hours, they asked
Speaker 1: you the same question five different times in different ways.
Speaker 1: When you go when you go out, are you the
Speaker 1: life for the party? And then an hour later and say,
Speaker 1: when you go to a party, do people get excited?
Speaker 1: Because you're there. You know that that that type of
Speaker 1: ship you know, and see if you answer differently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I have one of my homeboys, Derek Frazier. Uh,
Speaker 1: he took it. He took it. He took it to
Speaker 1: the next level. He just wanted to motherfucker turned to
Speaker 1: all that ship over and walked up. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He said, Man, this test you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: not doing that. Man, We thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: the show and sharing your story, problem your wisdom, and man,
Speaker 1: I hope you get the relief, not just you, but
Speaker 1: all of the players out that man, who've given us
Speaker 1: so much to the game. I hope y'all get the
Speaker 1: relief that y'all deserved. Man, NFL need to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. Man, cut the check man, cut the check. CTC,
Speaker 1: cut that check the check man. There's so much money
Speaker 1: right now to the NFL owners that it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to them if the games, if there's nobody in the
Speaker 1: state in the stadium, because it's the it's the TV contract. Well,
Speaker 1: they's just being greedy, man, They're they're being greedy, and
Speaker 1: they're also trying to control the narrative. It's like Caps said,
Speaker 1: you know, they still got that type of slave boss
Speaker 1: mentality and mentality. Until we have at least two or
Speaker 1: three black NFL owners, nothing I'm gonna change. I don't
Speaker 1: even think that that's gonna um. Yeah, that ain't gonna
Speaker 1: change because black the black owners are just as bad
Speaker 1: as the other ones. You know what I mean by
Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen? Yeah, no, how many teams? How many teams
Speaker 1: that we need to two thirty two black owners? Tim Scott,
Speaker 1: you get your temp Scott in there on the football
Speaker 1: teams just just you look at the setup just bad
Speaker 1: as the other you're talking about gummy man, gummy bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is gummy mind bad? Look at the set up though,
Speaker 1: Look at the setup on game day. What the owners
Speaker 1: that in the box in the box, in the box seats?
Speaker 1: What the product on the field they watching them? Now
Speaker 1: now you're talking about that master that that the overseas
Speaker 1: he watching, He watching this product? Yeah, cold blood it.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Robert, thank you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. This was so this was so enlightening man,
Speaker 1: in so many ways. You know, it looked like it's
Speaker 1: all glamor glamorous. You know, all of the bright lights
Speaker 1: and superstars man, But it's a lot of ship to
Speaker 1: come behind. And there's more people like me than the
Speaker 1: people that made the millions, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: more journeyman, like you said exactly, It's more of those
Speaker 1: people out there and than not. Yeah, I'm just so
Speaker 1: glad they had to be able to We really do
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man, And and and again it's not just you,
Speaker 1: but all the people, all of those guys out that
Speaker 1: man that that risk it all man, because every time
Speaker 1: you step on that field, man, you don't know if
Speaker 1: you're gonna walk off that field the same you know,
Speaker 1: and they don't know, you don't know, and and and
Speaker 1: the NFL. Man, You'll need to do the right thing
Speaker 1: because these these are this is not just products. This
Speaker 1: is this is not just products. These are human beings,
Speaker 1: father's father's brother's son, right, homeboys boys ship like being. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, huh so when I was coming into
Speaker 1: Woods in the sixth grade, he was already eight grade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they just think think about this is the thing
Speaker 1: that I think about all the time. Think about all
Speaker 1: the people, all of all your homeboys that you came
Speaker 1: up with, that was more talented than you, that just
Speaker 1: didn't get the grades. That was me. I could, I could,
Speaker 1: I could name you know, so many people that was
Speaker 1: more talented than me. But back then, getting the getting
Speaker 1: the grays was not you know, because that's why I
Speaker 1: think my Coachesoth Brown, coach Elliott, they was military. That
Speaker 1: no pass, no play sucked me up. Yeah, it bucked
Speaker 1: me up. I didn't even want to go to school
Speaker 1: no more after no Pass because football was such a
Speaker 1: so my passion. Bro hey man, why he wheels locked
Speaker 1: on this chick ship? Why is the cat on the bridge?
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