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Speaker 1: Robert Wilson Jr. Say, Man, how does a guy from

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Speaker 1: It pick overall, sir, How do you how do you

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of that that, you know, these people

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Speaker 1: But they don't understand the power and the leverage they had. Man,

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00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: if you shut down live TV, it's a rap. What

422
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna do arrest. I think some of these guys

423
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: do understand their power. They just they just don't want

424
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to exercise their power because their college. You know, some

425
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I disagree now. I do believe that a lot of

426
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: these guys are just collars. And then there are those

427
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: There are those who say, well, you know, I would

428
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: do it, but I'm not gonna just be out here

429
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: all by myself now. And I believe that part. I

430
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: don't think. I think too. I think two things can

431
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: be betwit at the same time. And I do believe

432
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: that just like you got college in other industries. You

433
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: have college in sports also. I just don't think I

434
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: think I think that everybody. I think if everyone got

435
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: on the same accord, you know, if everybody was like,

436
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: you know what, when the clock strike twelve fifty nine,

437
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: we're locked in the locker room, but we're not going

438
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Everybody got to go there. Everybody got to say it,

439
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: we're not going out. That's still gonna be just simple

440
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: to where the game won't start, and the thing exactly

441
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: at four o'clock they do the same thing. So so

442
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: now you got to back back that up into the politics. Yeah,

443
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: you see, what's gonna happen is that when you say, okay,

444
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: let's everybody get on the same court, what's gonna happen

445
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: is that they're gonna go and they're gonna start searching

446
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: for the weakest links, the ones that they know that

447
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: they can get inside of their head and say, look,

448
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this for you, And now this person

449
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, you know, I'm looking at for myself.

450
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: It happens on it, Yeah, it happens all the time.

451
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: That's how that's how you penetrate, just going find the

452
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: weakest link. So back in my rookie year. That's what

453
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: this is, what this is, what the politicis. This is

454
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: when I first saw it. I was blocking for Reggie

455
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Carb r I p he died a couple of years ago,

456
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. Damn think about him every day, man.

457
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: So I'm blocking a Reggie car December twenty second. Cobb

458
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: has a contract that says if he gets a thousand yards,

459
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. He gets he gets to leave.

460
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Sorry as Tampa, you know, and we all hope praying

461
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: that they get it right. So we're flying, were flying

462
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the temple. They reduced his with reps. First player the

463
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: game to lay draw Paul getting nine yards now here

464
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: at nine eighty right, I'll get back to the huddle.

465
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking at that. I'm like, and instead

466
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: of Car, it's Gary Anderson. I said, due, what's up?

467
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: What's Car? He said, I don't know. He's hurt. I

468
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: don't think so ready break boom. Never put him back

469
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: in the game. Go damn. That's how that's that's why

470
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: when you watch football games and you see people that

471
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: you don't think it's hurt, but they're not playing, that's

472
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: why they own the bench. Because it's people's job to

473
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: keep up with them numbers. Man, it's people's job. That

474
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: said called down there on that phone and say, hey, man,

475
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: when the defendi get the defense get playing time and

476
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: that comes with a million dollar bonus, set them down.

477
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: Tell him about some ass whoopings on that day, some

478
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: talking about talking about talking about the owner getting his

479
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: ass whooped in front of national television. Man, I'm not

480
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: playing it by my money, man, But look so then

481
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: so so it was twofold. So now they sucked over

482
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: car with his thousand and he out of Tampa because

483
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: we're three and thirteen at the two and thirteen at

484
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the time, getting ready to lose to Chicago. We end

485
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: up three and thirteen. Now I'm not a rookie foollback

486
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: blocking four thousand yard Russia. So that up, that sucked

487
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: me over. Yeah, yeah, you know. It also goes another

488
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: side to that corn is that when you signed these

489
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: incentive bonuses sometimes it's percentages. So like like you said,

490
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: it's a percentage. So if I already got my percentage,

491
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to risk going out there trying to

492
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: catch the ball and end up dropping the ball, and

493
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: now my percentage go down. So you know if I'm

494
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna receive, if you receive, that's not well, no, no,

495
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: put it on. If they put it in the contract.

496
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: Anything can be put in the contract. If they put

497
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: in the contract that I have to catch a certain

498
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: percentage of balls, like I gotta I gotta meet that

499
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: with it. They they slick with it because they don't

500
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: put it on catch it. So they'll they'll say every touchdown,

501
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you may will give your thousands, but they shoot it on.

502
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: They do it on they do it on basketball that

503
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people will. But it's time. We're so

504
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: we're so competitive man, you know I played football. Like

505
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: we're so competitive man until I can't see us laying down,

506
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like we we and the

507
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: man don't carry the ball. If you if you break

508
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, we're gonna find you. We're gonna

509
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: break the last See. That's why you see when people

510
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: like it would be the end of the game and

511
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: the coach tell that running back, hey man, get the ball.

512
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: They can't do it. Yeah, but they put it on

513
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: playing time. So if and the number played we played,

514
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: we placed uh forty, we played seventy two plays on offense,

515
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: you played fifty of them. That's over. So you made

516
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: your percentage on that. But you gotta do that for

517
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: the whole season. You know, you gotta play forty of

518
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: the plays to get that that incentive because the contract

519
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: was incentive laden back then. You know, they didn't really

520
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't even let you reach it get it.

521
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you get it. Bow So now you're done.

522
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: So now that's that's early on. Then you come now

523
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: you end up with this concussion ship. You know, average

524
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: average average uh salary of a rookie in in the

525
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: nineties a couple hundred thousand and something like that. Okay,

526
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: and then when you get to be a pro bowler

527
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: five millions, you might go, you might go jump to

528
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: a million, but you're not You're not getting You're not

529
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: getting the money like that. That's what I'm saying. So

530
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: my story is I came, I got cut by Miami,

531
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: and I had a good friend, Chico Nelson. He died,

532
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: he was the ballplayer. Uh. He came to my house

533
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the day after I got cut. He said, Man, I

534
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: want you to meet these people in the South Beach. Okay,

535
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: that's going on down there. I ain't no problem going

536
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: South Beach. So man I went down there and he

537
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: introduced me to an artist named Royal Yakaba, and he

538
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: introduced me to two guys that ended up being my

539
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: best friends, Dave and Elliott Merlis. Okay, so from that meeting,

540
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: I got cut by the Dolphins one morning. The next morning,

541
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm selling sports art, selling sports art. The the man

542
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: took a devalue currency from all over the world and

543
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: made that as his collage. And then I would call

544
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: you that, Brad, send me your favorite action shot, Send

545
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: me your favorite action shot. In a week, I would

546
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: send you a one like this of what the painting

547
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: would look like. If you okay, the painting we're on

548
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: the plane, just just money you're making we made I

549
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: was I didn't sell a painting for under four And

550
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, if it's you and me and we grew

551
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: up rapping together, we grew up playing together. They weren't

552
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: doing it because of the painting. They're doing it because

553
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: because it was bull you know what I mean, just

554
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: trying to support you know what I'm saying, So how

555
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: much money, but but how much money we're looking at,

556
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: like in one year, what's the most you ever made

557
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, we made thirty in the first

558
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 1: year doing that voice reloaded podcast to be right back

559
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: after the point and ninety three, you were inactive in

560
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, Right, what were you injured? Up? What was

561
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: going on? No? I just uh so when I went

562
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: to Tampa, I got drafted by a coach that nobody

563
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: knows to this, Richard Williams che Williams R. I p.

564
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Two thousand and fifteen. Hey, nobody knew him. So everybody

565
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: on that team that got released, nobody knew who you were.

566
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: In essence, you get drafted by Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy got

567
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: a job. You got a job. You went to University

568
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: of Miami. You got a job. And and and when

569
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy came to Miami, that should have turned into the

570
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: University of Miami off the streets. He left the Cowboys

571
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: right there. He left the Cowboys and went to Miami,

572
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: came to Miami, and my contract happened to be up

573
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: when he came. He don't believe in paying veterans. He

574
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: got to play for Jimmy. I played for Jimmy one year,

575
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: and you played for Don Shooting too, right, Yeah, shoo

576
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: shoot was the man or I loved on shooting. Shooler

577
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: brought me in, put me on the active roster so

578
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: I can get all my money. I ain't doing them

579
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: but flying around and dressing like we dressed right now. Yeah,

580
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Shoola was a man. And then my my contract was up.

581
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: When when when Jimmy came and you know he, you

582
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: know he I could pay I could pay two rookies,

583
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: you know what I could pay you, you know what

584
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and groom him and like I wanted him

585
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: because he didn't he didn't like Jimmy didn't necessarily like veterans,

586
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like a record label

587
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: that no y'all know about the royalties and ship so

588
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna face you out. They're gonna face you.

589
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: But I love I love up his coaching style. Man,

590
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johns. Man, I'm telling Jimmy Johns din't play, man,

591
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So Jimmy knew the axes and the odes

592
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: for real people around him. Jimmy has a degree in psychology.

593
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Jimmy knew how to motivate the players. Man.

594
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy went up on the board, he drew a you

595
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: drew a house. You dore a house with one window,

596
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: and in that one window he put the thirteen in.

597
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: That motherfucker. He said, this is the house. Damn Marino

598
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: is the only motherfucker. And now together M like that.

599
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: And then uh a kid from Rice. My boy was

600
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: a linebacker from Rice. He came up there performing on

601
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: special team, which I was. You know, me and him

602
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: played the same position on special team. So we're going

603
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm making plays, he's making plays. So

604
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: we're watching the film and Jimmy Johnson. Everybody in the

605
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: building watch special teams. That's how much you put on

606
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: that ship. All starters play special teams. Everybody the whole

607
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: team watched the special teams take. You know, So Larry

608
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: is oo is his name? And my boy I call

609
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: him is it because you know we're good friends. We

610
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: just happened to be playing the same position. Man, Larry

611
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: is a We're watching the film kick Off Return. He's

612
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: on the front line. I'm back in the wedge. He

613
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: peeled back, knocked his man down, got up, knock somebody

614
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: else down. Motherucker's Jimmy Johnson stopped the film. Man, that

615
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: motherfucker said, Larry is the call your parents and tell

616
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: him your Miami dolf. I'm like, oh, ship, what then

617
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I've been to do around this bit? Do you know

618
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: what I'm meaning? God? Damn? Yeah, man, oh fuck for

619
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: two blocks like that hustle like yeah, And he knew

620
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: how to get it. He knew how to get into

621
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: your head. Yeah, you know. He was the first man

622
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: I heard talking about the pack Melian theory. What the

623
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: fund is that if you keep, if you keep telling

624
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: somebody that they are a thief? Eventually, what's pa Melian theory?

625
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Pag Malian dope? Something new every day? And uh so

626
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: so with him, I liked this coaching style, but I

627
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: was a veteran, so I didn't fit in his overall plan.

628
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: If you put Jimmy and let's say Don Shuiler in

629
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: the same situation with let's say an average team, which

630
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys you think could compel that team

631
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: to victory? I think it will be Uh. I think

632
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: it'll be Demmon because he's more of a motivator. Don

633
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: Shula had us in that. Oh motherfucker's you know what

634
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying? That back the old back then was third

635
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: and up uh nine up? Uh? Eric Green, you remember

636
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: that Big Tight and Eric Green from from Play for

637
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Man, I watched I watched Eric Green every

638
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: game of the season. I walked through the locker room

639
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: for the game Boom, give me some of that hardcore

640
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: ship you listen to. And I would take him my

641
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: headphones because every week before the game he would have

642
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: to get his knee drained to play. It need be

643
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: swolled up full of fluid. Every week he got a

644
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the swelling of it. And then

645
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: we get on the planes right out of the game

646
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: and all you know, all that pressure cold. God, you

647
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm telling you, brother, that ship is Yeah,

648
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I saw the bus. Wasn't it William the

649
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: bus who played for Pittsburgh? Uh? Uh the bus, come on, bus,

650
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: But I know bus. I know the bus. William his

651
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: name Shot. I can't think I'm the bus man. Hold on,

652
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: but what about it? So I saw a video of him.

653
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: He can't walk upstare, Yeah, like going through his daily routine.

654
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: And man, the dude. So dude was getting out of

655
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: bed and it's his knees was snapped, crackling and pop

656
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: and he and it took him seemed like it took

657
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: him five minutes just to roll out of bed. Damn

658
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: nothing by the team, and I think he was steal

659
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: in his thirties. When when when I saw that video, Man,

660
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a big girl, and hey, how many

661
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: knee surgeries? Man? Now the thing with Miami, I got

662
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: to see the best quarterback ever uploading person Dan Arena.

663
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: And I'm one of the two hundred and forty five

664
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: people they caught a touchdown from Damn Arena. You know,

665
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: so so so I yeah, but it ended up being

666
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I got tossed out. But you caught three touchdowns from

667
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: Damn Arena too, one, one, one, you know. But you

668
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: know so that that My time in Miami was good.

669
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: But now you have to go back to if you

670
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: don't retire in the team in the city where you played.

671
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: It's rough man. Even though me being from Houston. You

672
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, they're gonna with the Texans retirees

673
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: before they work with me. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

674
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: they're not gonna. They're not gonna do that. So let's

675
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: go back to the paint. But but before you go further,

676
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: do you think that had anything to do with your

677
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: your lack of visibility in the city because you you know,

678
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: you wasn't really out, you know, and about in the city.

679
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: You know when when when you were playing here are

680
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: in Houston? Yeah, like we didn't really see you out anywhere,

681
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like I saw a few times, but

682
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't under staying we really didn't see you. No,

683
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And I think so if the people

684
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: don't see you like that, you know what I'm saying,

685
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: they may you know, that's a that tends to be

686
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: a bit of disconnect. And then and then you're right.

687
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: But then when I came back and saw what Santana

688
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: was doing in Houston, already we love you. What's up there? Bro?

689
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: When I sped Santana, I just dumped jumped from sale.

690
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah boos having the baby. Oh I don't know, okay, Instagram,

691
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: I just I just is it on Instagram? But what's

692
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: you know? You go to the back to the paintings

693
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: and uh, my, my, my, my journey after football started

694
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: with the painting, right, So me and me and Dave

695
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: and Elliot Merlin's were sitting there like, man, you know

696
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: what if we can set at least my fucking painting,

697
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: so that The collection was called Money Players Players who

698
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: come through in the Clutch. So we're just like, man,

699
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: we could sell payton for twelve d hundred Eddie George

700
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: on when Eddie George did Cribs, we had a painting

701
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: that was seven ft long and uh seven foot long

702
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: and three ft wide and he was up on his

703
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: on his fireplace. It was him and he had it

704
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: was a college picture that we did. It was him

705
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: and he had like nine people from Notre Dame chasing him,

706
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: you know. So he was like, man, if we can

707
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: do this, let's let's knock this ship back to church

708
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: and hats. So we launched Money Players clothing line, you know, man.

709
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: So me and the Day went down the garment district

710
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: in Miami and and got sourced to all that ship

711
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: out came out with the with the Money Players man,

712
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. And and and we did that.

713
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: Then we shot a documentary on high school football down there,

714
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: the Soul Bowl. We did uh Blanche Eli High School

715
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: and dealing high school to the oldest black uh high

716
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: schools in for a lot of them. So we did that, uh.

717
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: And then so I came back to came back and

718
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: then my you know, my brother in law's Kevin Smith

719
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys, three times super Bowl champion, Pup Kevin

720
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: Pup Smith. And so he called me, you know about

721
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: the music business. He's like, man, come on down there.

722
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: I was still in in Miami. He's like, man, come

723
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: on down to Houston. Man, I mean, come on down

724
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: to Dallas. Mane you can you can, you know, run

725
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the studio. Blah blah blah. I say, okay, I went

726
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: down there, run the studio. Uh. I didn't know what

727
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: was going on and when I before I got there.

728
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: But once I got there, you know, you had people,

729
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: lazy people, blah blah blah. And I wasn't putting up

730
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: with that ship. So the office part of the the

731
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: office part of the studio, I moved into my one

732
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment. I put that ship in the bedroom and

733
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: I had my bed out in the living room at

734
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: my apartment, you know, because we didn't. You know, I'm

735
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: not like, man, I'm not doing this ship. If these

736
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't want to work, I'm not. I'm not funny

737
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: to be sitting here all day bullshitting with them, you know.

738
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: So did that came back? So that was around That

739
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: was two thousands, I'm back home. Two thousand, I started over,

740
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: brolet's be straight up. I started over, staying at my

741
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: ain house in him Clark Jeweler gonsuh, she's my arm's sister.

742
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: So I started over. Two thousand, went to went back.

743
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: When I went back and coach that worthy, let me

744
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: ask yourself, how does that go, like from going from

745
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: the NFL the line like two basically coming back like

746
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: resetting like restarted when you start every day, Joe, What

747
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that, how was that any pressure for

748
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: you to to excel, you know and get back to

749
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: the top like you were not necessarily the NFL, but

750
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, to be this guy that everybody looking at

751
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: saying like he made it because now you know you

752
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: you you went to the top and then now you're

753
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: back in the hood, you know. And I'm sure there

754
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: had to be some murmurs, people talking ship saying some

755
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: slick ship. Yeah, at least at least one family member

756
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: because they're the worst family. But not my family. My

757
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: family took me in, man, because I called my uncle

758
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: head r I p uh, I said, Man, I'm coming home.

759
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: He's like, come on. That was my aunt's husband. So

760
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: I went there, moved upstairs. That's when I started coaching

761
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: that worthy went over there. All my coaches were still there,

762
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: Coach Evans and coach Snow and all of them. They

763
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: took me in and uh, I started. I started, you know,

764
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: working with the kids over there. And then we got

765
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: that year. We had five x NFL players on the

766
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: coaching staff myself when Coreya came, when coreas my roommate

767
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: out of a and m you know, and uh and

768
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, so fast forward. Man, If you if you

769
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: don't have a if you don't have a hustle, if

770
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: you don't have a hustle in you, you're break man,

771
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: you know. And so you gotta have a hustle, and

772
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: you gotta be humble. That's what you was asking about.

773
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: You know. You gotta be your hustle and humble go together,

774
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the pride you can't

775
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: wear that pride can't be cloaked in pride. You know,

776
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: that's what people getting messed up, you know. So I

777
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: the fall come before the fall, man, And and man,

778
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: I just I just kept hustling, man and did good

779
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: at at at Worthing. We was nine and old till

780
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: we ran in the vin Young in the dome. So

781
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, we had a hell of a team, a

782
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: lot of kids of college, you know. But that was

783
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: that was it. So then I ended up through my

784
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: A and M. I'm with to Texas A and M University. Uh.

785
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: I was driving point one yards per carry. I was

786
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: at I was driving hot shots for Beeline delivery. And

787
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: this is what my story gets crazy. I'm driving hot shots.

788
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm downtown driving hot shots for Beline delivery. I get

789
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: a phone call Mr Galson County. Sure, goddamn it, Mr Wilson,

790
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting outside the house were living in Dickinson. Mr Wisdom,

791
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: sitting outside the house, got one for your rest? What

792
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the fun? Some kind of some kind of deal up

793
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: in the college station. Is my oldest boy child support?

794
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I said. I told him.

795
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: I said, sir, can you hear the truck running? I said,

796
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: you hear my truck running? I said, I'm on the

797
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: highway right now. I said, I'm working literally right at

798
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: this moment to get the money for the child support.

799
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: Right So man, let's dude. So he said, you know what,

800
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Mrs Wilson, I believe that, And I'll get you to monday.

801
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: But for me to get till monday, I had to

802
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: shoot them, you know what I mean. So I go

803
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: to I go up there, man, get get this, get

804
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: this going, and I'm going the thing man these people,

805
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: and I still feel like I should shoot Attorney general

806
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: for this. Everybody. This motherfucker's charged me. That motherfucker's charged me.

807
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: Not seven is of Dolphin Miami. Dolphin pay, bro. If

808
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: you don't get it for seven, damn the gave for

809
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: two years, three years, three year. If you don't get

810
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: a check from the Dolphins, bro, obviously I'm not employed

811
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: that anymore. Well with your responsibility to do the blue,

812
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: Blue Blue, I said, no, motherfucker, this is so. The

813
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: niggas wont one oh eight, bro, they want six figures.

814
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: I went to that courthouse, man, and the court the

815
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: judge was fed up. And I remember I'm driving for

816
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: Beatline at the time. I'm driving as my job and

817
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: my last name started with a debut. Everybody before me

818
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: went up there. They had the women and they had

819
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: the judge. The judge say asking women, would you like

820
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: to leave him his back page, any of this back pay?

821
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: Every woman said no, every last one of them. I

822
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: went in. Uh, I got up, I wrote my I

823
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: wrote Matthew's mom, dell on your bar a note. I said,

824
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: please say eighty that she would relieve me of eighty

825
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: thousand of the back pager. Right man, But before then,

826
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: everybody when she said no, the judge is like hunt

827
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: night days, suspend your license, und D days, suspend your

828
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: license un day spending likes to everybody. Man, old white

829
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: man walked up there on a cane and sold. He said, Judge,

830
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: I worked on the board on the barbecue truck. I

831
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: made four hundred dollars a month, sent two hundred hundred

832
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: eight days, suspend your license. That's when I started learning

833
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: about your support. You know, about what you need to do.

834
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: He told that man. He told everybody that. He said,

835
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: if you cut a yard and you made ten dollars,

836
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: send five. Put some on them books every month, because

837
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's going on your back. Can pay

838
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: anyway what you don't seeing. But if you don't have

839
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: something on them books every month, you're not making no effort. Yeah.

840
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: So we got up there. We finally got up there

841
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: in front of the people. Now to judge, remember me,

842
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: I will is the full back because I'm up in

843
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: college station. Yeah, yeah, what's up? Man? So you know,

844
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: he on the sign boom boom. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,

845
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: sold this, it's gonna go right. They flipped on me right.

846
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Then he started talking to her. He said, ma'am. First thing,

847
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: he said, ma'am, you know once you because she said eighty.

848
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: She said, you said you want to leave it from

849
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: the back page. She said, hey they. I said yeah, okay,

850
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: and she said eighty. She said eighty thousands. She said, man,

851
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, once you just once you do this, this

852
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: money goes away and never comes back. So that was one.

853
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: That was one bullet. I took that, ma'am, are you sure?

854
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: Another bullock? Look? But look so then the motherfucker said,

855
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: do you want another court date? I sew my hand.

856
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, what the hell are you doing?

857
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: He's like Mr Wilson calmed down, and I said, she

858
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: said eighty man with them, He said, man, do you

859
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: want another court dat? And by this time she's shaking

860
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: dog wow and I said and she said no, we're good.

861
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom. Because I told her, I said, look,

862
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I just I'll go on my retirement and give you

863
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: the rest out of that. If you say eighty you

864
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: know so, man, So I was able to drive home

865
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: after that. So, you know so after that, I did

866
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: be Line delivery that summer gas hit a dollar ninety seven.

867
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't do be Lyne delivery no more.

868
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: My wife was traveling Angela Wilson, my wife was traveling

869
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: for work, and we had two boys. So I said, look,

870
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: we're playing fine hunted. We're playing hunted for uh, for

871
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: the lady to watch the boys. And I'm doing four

872
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: hunting and gas right now. You're traveling. I said, you

873
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna shut this down. I'm gonna keep

874
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: the boys for the suthing while you travel, and we're

875
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna just save all that money, you know. So. And

876
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: at the end of that summer, man, Uh, my uncle

877
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: and uh one of the aggies was at the Houstonian

878
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Golfing country Club and uh I end up getting a

879
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: job there at the end of that summer. And I

880
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: worked at the Houstonian Golfing Country Club for twelve years.

881
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's about so when I say all of that,

882
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: man to say, it's about bridging that gap. You know

883
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? You got to bridge you got to

884
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: be able to bridge that gap. And that's what I

885
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: tell my my kids and anybody else, anybody who listened.

886
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: I said, like them youngsters right now, I said, Man,

887
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: get your paperwork in order, because y'all not built for

888
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: the school of hard knocks. Bro y'are not you know,

889
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: growing up in the suburbs and all that ship You're not.

890
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not groom for that. What's your relationship

891
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: like with your kids? Yeah, boys, revoted podcast will be

892
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: right back after the point. Let's talk about your book, Man.

893
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: Hits in politics, the big hits in politics, Big big

894
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: hits in politics. Yes, sir, don't always a lot of

895
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: best players don't always play and and that that. So

896
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: when I first started writing the book, man, I thought

897
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna be talking about, uh what I just

898
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: talked about, some of the stuff in the NFL. That's

899
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: when my boys were starting, literally, you know, and that's

900
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: when I found out that's where the politics start. And

901
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: literally it's I'm not gonna say a white man, but

902
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: a man. A man would become a president of a

903
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: whole youth organization so his unathletic son can play quarterback.

904
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: M you know, it's cold blood. I've seen that too

905
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: many times. The dad and the coach, and the sun

906
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: is the quarterback son, but his daddy the coach. So

907
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: it started there. And then when they got to a

908
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: parley in high school politics, and now head coach got

909
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: two sons. My son played receiver, hit son played tight

910
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: end and receiver. They're catching mobiles and my son what

911
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: we're doing? So got over with that. And then so

912
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: I moved my my youngest that's at Midwestern State right now,

913
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: I moved him to Manville for his senior year. I

914
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: told him straight up, I said, Ben, if you stay apparently,

915
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be in jail half the season because

916
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm back, and I'm gonna block these driveways as some

917
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: of these coaches at five in the morning asking what

918
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: they really what are we really doing? You know what

919
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was that serious. So we went to Manfield.

920
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: He had a good senior year. Now he had Midwestern State.

921
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: What year was that senior year? Ben was ship And

922
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: so we we don't we don't have um, we don't

923
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: have a do are you mentioning names in the book? Yeah?

924
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: Dropping the name? Just tell me what you're saying what

925
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: it is like when I was at UH Dallas. I

926
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: went to Green Bay, right, so this is how, this

927
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: is how the meeting rooms are set up for the

928
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: running backs. Me, you know, so we're the running back.

929
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: So y'all already in Green Bay. I come in the door.

930
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: I look at these two motherfucker's. They got the same

931
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of hand cut the parking lot. They both got

932
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: a black fire thirty five and its Green Bay. So

933
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: it don't matter how many people I knocked the funk out,

934
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: They're not gonna break up this continuity for me. The

935
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: right on the wall as soon as you walk in there.

936
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: I was just a body for camp, you know what

937
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean? A body for camp for camp, you know? So, yeah,

938
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: so I'll go to that's three. I went to live

939
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: with my buddy Quentin in Indianapolis. He's playing for the coach.

940
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have worked out for them, blah blah. He said, Man,

941
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: they love you, man, drink coach love you to everybody

942
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: loves you. So we died in Dallas UH at Kevin

943
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: Smith department. He was a second year player. He comes

944
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: from practice. He said, bull, they got a locker with

945
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: your name in it. I said, huh, and now, mind you,

946
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be leaving the next day to go

947
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: sign with Indy. God damn it. And he said, yeah,

948
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: they gotta lock it with your name. Man, So this

949
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys on. So I was like, man, we sat

950
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: there at the table and we thought. I thought about it.

951
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: I said, may you know what if I get sucked

952
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: up again, I'm being Texas. So when I went on

953
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: and signed with the Cowboys, you know, wasn't a bad

954
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a bad move. You know, I wouldn't have never

955
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: ended up in Miami if I hadn't signed with the Cowboys.

956
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: You know. But I don't know what I hadn't what

957
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: Indianapolis having a stake for me, you know what I mean.

958
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with with the owner, Jerry

959
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: Jones at all? Did you ever meet him? Yeah, Jared Jones.

960
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: After every game he's standing at the locker room. He

961
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: shake every player hand going back into the locker room.

962
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: He's just checking on the product. Yeah, he Jared Jed Jones.

963
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: Just a word. That's how he comes out to me.

964
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: He comes out and ignoble, dude, you know he told

965
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: me ignoble. Yeah, noble. He comes but when he went

966
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: when he won a ride with me, was when he said,

967
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: all our players are gonna to the line and we're

968
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: not kneeling. That's what I'm saying. Stuff like that. It's

969
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: like taking rights away. Man exposed himself, you know, during

970
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: that whole Trump era. Yeah, he exposed him said he

971
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: got exposed during the Trump era because at first it

972
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: looked like, oh, he's he's he's the guy, he's looking

973
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: out for the black guys. And now you know this,

974
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that he only was looking out for

975
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: the really, really good black players, the guys who could

976
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: really play. As long as you could help him win,

977
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: he was on your team. And then so I go

978
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: to Dallas, Green Bay, I mean leave Green Bay ninety three,

979
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: go to Dallas and went to that camp. I'm knocking

980
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: motherfucker's out. I got more respect in Dallas camp then

981
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: I did for playing because I was laying motherfucker's out

982
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: like that. All the players, all the coaches, they knew

983
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: what it was. But I got this guy, Emmy Smith, Damn,

984
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: Emma Smith. Got this guy. We come off the field,

985
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: He's like, man, make go make my Matrex shape. Don't

986
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: make his what go make his shake after practice shape

987
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: for a call in it. Man. No, No, there's a

988
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: guy that he had like a dude boy know his

989
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: dude boy. He telling the dude boy, go make go

990
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: do this, go do that, because I got to say

991
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: it didn't come off that tack. No no, and then

992
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: we go. But then but then, but the dude doing

993
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: it on his own, you know, you know, it's just

994
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: what it was. And then so then I found out

995
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: the year before I got there, they cut that dude

996
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: when they went to the playoffs. Emit the next day,

997
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: went over there and didn't speak to nobody from Jerry

998
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: Jones on down, didn't speak, didn't say a word. Next

999
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: week he was back. They brother back. That's why I'm

1000
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: up against. Man, you already got moose. Moves ain't going nowhere.

1001
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta respect moves. Moves

1002
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. So that's what I'm up again. You know,

1003
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: it would go with the politics again, you know what

1004
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean. But you know, so when you when you

1005
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: when you came into the league, you know you was

1006
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: you was you know, you was that dude in Tampa Bay,

1007
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then you went from that to being

1008
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: a journeyman. Uh, basically like and that's what helped me.

1009
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: That's what helped me. Being the dude helped me when

1010
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't to do because when I went to Tampa,

1011
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: we started the season with just one fullback me, They

1012
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: ran everybody else off. So I had seen that process,

1013
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't say one day

1014
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna be me, but it ended up being that way,

1015
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So so how do the

1016
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: follow apart in Tampa? Bato? You know, I know it

1017
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: was a three and thirteen season, didn't help but coach,

1018
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: but she still was productive that year. Coach got fired.

1019
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: Coach got fired. They brought Sam White shan. Now the

1020
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: politics of that was Bront saying White sham super Bowl winning.

1021
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: He won the Super Bowl and eight right, so what

1022
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: was he coaching the Ridskins. The Bengals cut that ship out.

1023
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: So now you're sitting there, Remember I told you, if

1024
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: you if if a coach draft you, if you win

1025
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: with a coach, you always have a job. If you

1026
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: have a job, All of a sudden, motherfucking everybody from

1027
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: the Bengals start showing up in the locker room. So

1028
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: once again, the riding's on the wall, you know. So.

1029
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: But my thing is, man, what I tell the kids,

1030
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: my boys, I said, look, we watched that last preseason

1031
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: game every year, and I said, look, man, they're going

1032
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: down from They're going from eighty five to sixty five

1033
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: to fifty three sixty five. Most of them play that.

1034
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: Most of that twenty will never play again. Wow, will

1035
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: never play again. Half of that twenty. It's gonna flip

1036
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: off into depression because they don't have nothing to fall

1037
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: back on, whether it's a degree or job or you know,

1038
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: if you're good with your hands, none of that. Man. Yeah.

1039
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: In your opinion, is the NFL doing enough in safety

1040
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: protocols in regards to concussions and head injuries? Uh? I

1041
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: think it is. I think I think what they're doing

1042
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: is is is helping, But they're not. But it's that's

1043
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: why you see all these other catastrophic injuries. Now, because

1044
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: if I'm coming, you're coming to me full speed. I'm

1045
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: coming and you and you so Brad coming to me

1046
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: full speed. What are you gonna do when you get there.

1047
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna take my knees out. You know what I'm saying,

1048
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: Ain't no more head to head up, the hand, the head.

1049
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: So that's why it's all these knee injuries and people

1050
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: people getting hurt like that. And then it's the game

1051
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: is so much softer. They don't they don't hit. You

1052
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: can't hit, but twice a week not all this bullshit.

1053
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: So last year, the first five games of the regular

1054
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: season was really as far as NFL players bodies was concerned,

1055
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: was the preseason. That's why it was all his injuries.

1056
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's out there non contact. Motherfucker cut his achilles, gone

1057
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: cut his knee, blow up. You know what I mean.

1058
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: You haven't prepared your body to take that, to take

1059
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: that punchent. Yeah, man, it's it's it's it's wild, man,

1060
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: It's it's it's wild. But you know, you gotta they

1061
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: gotta keep fighting a good fight man, and and and

1062
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: uh try to We gotta get this. We gotta get

1063
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: this concussion thing shuttle, you know, because Norman. Let's say

1064
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm a new guy coming into the league. Well I'm

1065
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: not even in the league yet. I'm I'm a new guy.

1066
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: That's I'm the man. I'm playing football, and I'm really

1067
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: really good at football on any level. Let's just say

1068
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm let's just say, I'm high school age and

1069
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm cold with it. What's your advice. I'm trying to

1070
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: get to the league. I'm everybody looking at me like

1071
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm that dude. I'm all area this, I'm national this.

1072
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: What's your advice to me and my parents? Business wise

1073
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL business? Oh, I'm glad. There's a great question.

1074
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: Glad you asked that is business wise? Is know what

1075
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: you want to do on the way in as far

1076
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: as business? You know what I mean? Because, like me,

1077
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 1: the phone call is different because like if I'm on

1078
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: the team and I'm calling trying to do business with you. Hey,

1079
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: it's uh Miami Dolphin Robert Wilson, I want to talk

1080
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: to you. Oh ship boom, after I'm not on the team,

1081
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: it's your name comes last. Hey, former former Miami Dolphin

1082
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: fullback Robert Wilson want to talk to you. You know

1083
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying former, So that that's a different spin.

1084
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, then they're not even gonna do business with you.

1085
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: They want active players, you know what I mean. So,

1086
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: my my, so they have this uh thing where they

1087
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: take all of the top draft picks and have coaches

1088
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: talk to him about this and that, but they don't

1089
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: talk to everybody about it. But so my my advice

1090
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: would be, I would say, look, man, find out what

1091
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: you wanna do after football, and started while you acted.

1092
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: Started now, because the phone call is different when you're acting.

1093
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, you ain't farmer farmer rappers right. They

1094
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to me no more. He's a

1095
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: farmer rapper right right right on top of that game.

1096
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: If you had, you know, a hot single out or something,

1097
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: ye like, yeah, okay, give him my number, you know.

1098
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: But that's what I would tell him. I'll say, man,

1099
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want, let that team come from Let that

1100
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: phone call come from the team, because they've got people

1101
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: whose job that is you know, you name that big

1102
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: hits and politics. Here in politics, the best players don't

1103
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: always play by the best players always at you on

1104
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: social media. And first of all, that book is available

1105
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: on Amazon. Amazon Book a book on Amazon right now

1106
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: coming out with The Harker. I have to thank my

1107
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: good friend and fellow aggy Shanidria Wagner. And let me

1108
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: tell you why it took me eight years man to

1109
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: do this book, maybe nine. You have to get right

1110
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: in the head to go in right. No, I'm forgetting

1111
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: about the goddamn meetings. I'm forgetting about the goddamn book session. Wow,

1112
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: so you're forgetting too. So you started it actually eight

1113
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: years ago completed? No? No, are you having the same

1114
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: CTV we all do? Man? No ship? Yes? What the fuck?

1115
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: Why we man? We need to fight? Man man man

1116
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: man a man man. Listen, I'm I'm I got my

1117
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: boys at the doctor's office. I did this ship up

1118
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 1: to as recently as a month ago. Leave a mothering

1119
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: pot on the stove and I'm out the door. Anybody's

1120
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: doing this, I'm hearing this story from you. Who are

1121
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: you working with in regards to trying to recover some

1122
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: some some funds you know, for these injuries you suffered? Uh?

1123
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm working with Dr Cornella Manix. She's uh,

1124
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: she's uh. She works with brain injuries. She works with

1125
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: people that have brain injuries and like that. Her company

1126
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: is called dot org. But who is she working and

1127
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: then she is she working with these We all have lawyers.

1128
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: We all have lawyers, and it's called uh nf L

1129
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: Concussions Claims Administrator. They have a claims administrator that you

1130
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: go through. But are you are you is this somebody

1131
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: that that the NFL or some group that answers right

1132
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: here in conflict the inswest is the same lay that

1133
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: represents the NFL represent you all too? No, no, no, no,

1134
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: it was the same doctors because they went, they went,

1135
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: and they went, we all went got tested and all

1136
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: this ship. No no, no, the doctors, like the doctors

1137
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: that gave favorable uh responses what we had, all of

1138
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: a sudden they can't take their word no more. They

1139
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: cut the doctor lists in half and all the mother's

1140
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 1: that was given favorable you know, ship. Then you know

1141
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: they knocked us out. They knocked us on. But like

1142
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: I tell them, man, because I like to fish. You

1143
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Man, I listen, I got, I got,

1144
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: I got partners homeboards right now, Bro, they will not

1145
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: come on this shower. They will not come on this

1146
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: Why not because they're showing some kind of It takes

1147
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: some kind of cognitive ability. God damn it. I had

1148
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: my homework come to my house and we're sitting in

1149
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: the backyard. He wouldn't put his phone on the damn fence.

1150
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: How I said, what they're doing, bro? Man, motherfucker's following me?

1151
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: Many He said, they followed the NFL. He said, they've

1152
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: got people following. That's what he said. I said, Man,

1153
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: you're taking the ship too far. Bro. I was like,

1154
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: and so my thing is as an a former NFL player,

1155
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: you got to be able to have a good day. Man,

1156
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: you can't have a good day. Well, motherfucker might see

1157
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: you playing golf or fishing or riding a bike. Come out.

1158
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Bullshit, Man, do you ever

1159
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: get violent tendencies? Yeah? Right, So not to a person.

1160
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: So long story short, My son Benjamin was a nine

1161
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: grade basketball team. Man, my wife went out to eat.

1162
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: We're going it's his birthday had just passed, so he

1163
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: had his money. So, you know, nine grades, he want

1164
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: to have his money on it. So he called the

1165
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: call phone. I could heard his voice and I said,

1166
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: they got his money. Somebody took his money. He's like, yeah,

1167
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: and coach somebody, what you want me to do? Blah

1168
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: blah blah. Right, so he knows though, he knows me.

1169
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: So um so me and my wife go up to

1170
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: the school. We went up to the school and I

1171
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: don't know why I called the police. I said, magic,

1172
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: then I need somebody come up to the school. They

1173
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: stole my boys money. Blah blah blah. The bust pull

1174
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: up and I don't know why they let me get

1175
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: on that bus. M hm. I got on that bus.

1176
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: I said, I want my fucking money now, and the

1177
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: money magically appeared. So I got in. So there's like,

1178
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: miss wilson't you have to go out the bus. So

1179
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm walking around the bus. My wife, go get in

1180
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: the car, Go get in the car. I'm walking around

1181
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: the back of the bus. I hit the back window. Now,

1182
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: cracked the back window. Oh ship, you know what I'm saying.

1183
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: Cracked the back window of the bus. Now the police

1184
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: that I called put me in the back of his car. Yeah,

1185
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: but you went a man so so, but that's that

1186
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: zero to the hundred, so that the money you ever

1187
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 1: get recovered. All of a sudden, it's a hundred and

1188
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: nine dollars on the back of the bus, on the floor.

1189
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: So they came and let me out the car. I

1190
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: went off again because I see the man counting out

1191
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: the money to my wife. So I'm talking to the coach.

1192
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: I said, coach, see you do have a fucking thief

1193
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: on your goddamn team. They counting out the money. So

1194
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: everybody started rushing me back to the car because they

1195
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: want the police was coming to the restume at that point,

1196
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, this ship like that.

1197
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: And then then they banned me from the campus. They

1198
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: banned me from what But what's that parental instincts kicking

1199
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: in or what's that something to do? I think you

1200
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: haven't happened. It was happening because the cracker back window

1201
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: on the bus. I mean, you didn't shoot out the

1202
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: back one shooting out the bass inwards. Yeah, but I

1203
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: told him, I told him. I told him x NFL

1204
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: running down. Oh my god, this is bad. I told him.

1205
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: I said, I said, coach, you won't have no copycasts.

1206
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: Then my son with school next day, so I called

1207
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: the principal. I said, hey, man, you know what, my

1208
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: older son running track. So you banned me from the school,

1209
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch my son running track, He said, Mrs Will.

1210
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: Half the basketball team did not come to school today

1211
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: because they thought he was gonna be up here looking

1212
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: for Oh Jesus, I'm saying I was think that man, Bro,

1213
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But that's that's what you know.

1214
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: You don't know what you don't get and where does

1215
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: your sign play? What school is he he was apparently

1216
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: in that time he was a freshman freshman basketball team.

1217
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: But he said, he said, uh, I don't know if

1218
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: it's funny or not, but it's funny to him, he said,

1219
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: I went to school dad, I was a rock star.

1220
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, man, but but

1221
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: but that's that's that's kinda but he shouldn't had all

1222
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: him you know, the parents. They don't take me all

1223
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: that money on your at that at one time. But

1224
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: but that's the kind of ship that happened. Man. And

1225
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,799
Speaker 1: you never you never know what trigger it's gonna trigger.

1226
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: That the ultimate response. Man, I'm so glad we're having

1227
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think the world needs to hear that

1228
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: that CTE concussions, those those hits to the head, man,

1229
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, even in boxing, like those hits in the

1230
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: head really caused That's that's right. That's what kept me

1231
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: from going back boxing. Yeah, it's going to my hand,

1232
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's getting hard as here to Yeah, but but

1233
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: it's but it's like, because I like to fight for real,

1234
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I like I like, I like the

1235
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: energy of fighting, you know, what I'm saying, like like

1236
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: what it likes. It's something you know, I become like

1237
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: a monster, like really like and I want to just destroy,

1238
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: just like you're in a football field. You're trained, like

1239
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: just coming through the phone man into somebody, you turned

1240
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: into something different. Man. And but but I do. But

1241
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm always cognizant because I see so many dudes who

1242
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: just in there just recently retired from basket from boxing

1243
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: is something thirty some years old, and most skills bro

1244
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: motor skills gone. I remember seeing Iran Barkley in New

1245
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: York had a fight once and then I said, I

1246
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: ran and he turned around like this sugar Ray Leonard too, man,

1247
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: uh huh, like what's up? Will it d wrong? No,

1248
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: this is years ago. It's like really years ago, Iran.

1249
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: I ain't no telling what shape Iran is in right now, Shannon, Shannon,

1250
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Speaker 1: the cannon looked pretty good still too. I mean he

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Speaker 1: looks real good right now too. He's still there, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know another sport that mikes

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01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: that deals with it too is hockey. Man. I don't

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01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: know nothing about hockey. Man. I watched the physical really

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Speaker 1: and they let him fight. So that's why I ain't

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Speaker 1: hockey player, got no teeth. Yeah, it's physical and they

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: let him fight man, so so cold bloody you can't.

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Speaker 1: It's bad man. So that would that would have That's

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Speaker 1: that's what I was just looking at. So that would

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01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: have been when I saw it, right, it's like right

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Speaker 1: after they died. But then my boy, my boy hot Smith.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Hotsmith a lot. Yeah, but he's doing

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Speaker 1: he remember he went into boxing. He went into boxing

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Speaker 1: because what can't replace me? And in the Heilman, you

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you can't replace it. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why that's why when I go fishing, it would

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Speaker 1: have been good with with with with with with the

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Speaker 1: Heilman on for for practice. But the problem is when

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Speaker 1: you take it off for the profile. You aight. But

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Speaker 1: but like with them tests and then they take they

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Speaker 1: take us all these tests and basically the tests all

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Speaker 1: they do. They asked you it's like three hours, right,

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Speaker 1: and they asked you during the three hours, they asked

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01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: you the same question five different times in different ways.

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Speaker 1: When you go when you go out, are you the

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01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: life for the party? And then an hour later and say,

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: when you go to a party, do people get excited?

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01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: Because you're there. You know that that that type of

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01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: ship you know, and see if you answer differently. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so I have one of my homeboys, Derek Frazier. Uh,

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01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: he took it. He took it. He took it to

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01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: the next level. He just wanted to motherfucker turned to

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01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: all that ship over and walked up. You know what

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01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He said, Man, this test you know, yeah,

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01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: not doing that. Man, We thank you for coming on

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01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: the show and sharing your story, problem your wisdom, and man,

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01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: I hope you get the relief, not just you, but

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: all of the players out that man, who've given us

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: so much to the game. I hope y'all get the

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 1: relief that y'all deserved. Man, NFL need to do the

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01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: right thing. Man, cut the check man, cut the check. CTC,

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: cut that check the check man. There's so much money

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01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: right now to the NFL owners that it doesn't matter

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01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: to them if the games, if there's nobody in the

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01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: state in the stadium, because it's the it's the TV contract. Well,

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Speaker 1: they's just being greedy, man, They're they're being greedy, and

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01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: they're also trying to control the narrative. It's like Caps said,

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01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, they still got that type of slave boss

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01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: mentality and mentality. Until we have at least two or

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01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: three black NFL owners, nothing I'm gonna change. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think that that's gonna um. Yeah, that ain't gonna

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01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: change because black the black owners are just as bad

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: as the other ones. You know what I mean by

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen? Yeah, no, how many teams? How many teams

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01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: that we need to two thirty two black owners? Tim Scott,

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01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: you get your temp Scott in there on the football

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01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: teams just just you look at the setup just bad

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: as the other you're talking about gummy man, gummy bad. Yeah,

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01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: what is gummy mind bad? Look at the set up though,

1310
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: Look at the setup on game day. What the owners

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: that in the box in the box, in the box seats?

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01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: What the product on the field they watching them? Now

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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: now you're talking about that master that that the overseas

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01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: he watching, He watching this product? Yeah, cold blood it.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Robert, thank you, thank you, thank you

1316
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: so much. This was so this was so enlightening man,

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01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: in so many ways. You know, it looked like it's

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01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: all glamor glamorous. You know, all of the bright lights

1319
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: and superstars man, But it's a lot of ship to

1320
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: come behind. And there's more people like me than the

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01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: people that made the millions, you know what I'm saying,

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: more journeyman, like you said exactly, It's more of those

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01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: people out there and than not. Yeah, I'm just so

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01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: glad they had to be able to We really do

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01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man, And and and again it's not just you,

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 1: but all the people, all of those guys out that

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Speaker 1: man that that risk it all man, because every time

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: you step on that field, man, you don't know if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna walk off that field the same you know,

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01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 1: and they don't know, you don't know, and and and

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01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: the NFL. Man, You'll need to do the right thing

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01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: because these these are this is not just products. This

1333
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 1: is this is not just products. These are human beings,

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Speaker 1: father's father's brother's son, right, homeboys boys ship like being. Man,

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01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, huh so when I was coming into

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01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: Woods in the sixth grade, he was already eight grade. Yeah,

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: but they just think think about this is the thing

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01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: that I think about all the time. Think about all

1339
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: the people, all of all your homeboys that you came

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01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: up with, that was more talented than you, that just

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01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: didn't get the grades. That was me. I could, I could,

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01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: I could name you know, so many people that was

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01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: more talented than me. But back then, getting the getting

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01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: the grays was not you know, because that's why I

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01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: think my Coachesoth Brown, coach Elliott, they was military. That

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01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: no pass, no play sucked me up. Yeah, it bucked

1347
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: me up. I didn't even want to go to school

1348
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: no more after no Pass because football was such a

1349
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: so my passion. Bro hey man, why he wheels locked

1350
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: on this chick ship? Why is the cat on the bridge?

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by a King and brought to

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