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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 3: are going to be covering some news stories with a

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Speaker 3: very special guest, Kim Davis from the Slaycation podcast. For

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Speaker 3: those of you who are unfamiliar with Slaycation, it's a

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Speaker 3: true crime podcast that focuses on mysterious deaths and murders

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Speaker 3: that happen while people are on vacation. It's really awesome.

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Speaker 3: It just so happens. This week. There are numerous stories

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Speaker 3: of people getting her on vacation, so we thought who

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Speaker 3: better to talk to about these stories than Kim.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Kim, thanks so much for being here today.

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Speaker 4: Hi guys, it's so good to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for having me. I've been looking forward to this.

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Speaker 3: Before we get started with these news stories, you have

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Speaker 3: to tell us how you got into forensics and how

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Speaker 3: you got into the idea of this podcast Lacation.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll tell you. I am Well.

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Speaker 4: It's been said, primarily by my husband, that I'm the

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Speaker 4: og of true crime. It's always been something that's fascinated me.

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Speaker 4: It's always been something that I've always been very curious about.

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Speaker 2: When my husband and I.

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Speaker 4: First started dating and he had come to my house,

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Speaker 4: he immediately noted my bookshelf hovered just just lined with

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Speaker 4: books on serial killers murders. You know, so he did

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Speaker 4: make a mental note of that. And mind you, this

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Speaker 4: is going back some time.

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Speaker 3: So did he want to run away because he thought

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Speaker 3: that You're going to kill him or something?

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Speaker 2: Hardly enough?

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Speaker 4: He was very curious, but you know, he would always

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Speaker 4: make that joke. But I, you know, I will say

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Speaker 4: he's he's it's it's been a little over thirty years

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Speaker 4: ago now, so I think he's feeling a little safer now,

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Speaker 4: at least for now, not just kidding. So so he

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Speaker 4: you know, so he had noted that, and you know,

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Speaker 4: it was you know, so I was kind of consuming

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Speaker 4: this content before even DNA was a real thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, think about that.

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Speaker 4: I was reading about the Green River killer before DNA

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Speaker 4: identify him as Gary Ridgeway.

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Speaker 3: So wow.

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Speaker 4: So it's always been something that I've been very interested

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Speaker 4: and curious about. And you know, my husband started doing

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Speaker 4: podcasts in earnest when because initially he is the content

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Speaker 4: that he and his business partner were doing were primarily

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Speaker 4: centered on you know, television, cable shows, that kind of thing, documentaries,

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Speaker 4: and then when COVID found us sort of trapped in

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Speaker 4: our houses, they decided to do a They decided to

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Speaker 4: enter the world of podcasts. And it had just come

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Speaker 4: up one day where you know, my husband was asking

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Speaker 4: me because initially he had a show idea about murders

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Speaker 4: and mysterious deaths while on vacation and had asked me

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Speaker 4: if had asked me if, if, if if there was

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Speaker 4: enough content for that kind of thing, and I said,

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Speaker 4: why yes, and then happened to rattle off a whole

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Speaker 4: didn't really go anywhere, but he revisited again and was like,

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Speaker 4: we should do a podcast and I was like, no.

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Speaker 4: So here we are a year and a half year,

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Speaker 4: a year and a half later doing a podcast. But

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Speaker 4: it's been great fun. It's it's it's so fascinating, it's

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Speaker 4: so interesting, just kind of delving you know, into you know,

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Speaker 4: these stories and really getting to know the people in

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Speaker 4: you know, even the purpose in these stories, like what

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm always very curious about what makes that person,

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Speaker 4: What makes that person that kills maines, what makes that

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Speaker 4: person that says I love you, and then is plotting

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Speaker 4: the demise of somebody that he you know, So it

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Speaker 4: just it just stays fascinating.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting because of your history as a social worker.

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Speaker 3: You said, used to specialize in domestic abuse situations, which

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Speaker 3: of course we see that all the time with these

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Speaker 3: So how does your previous work life kind of come

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll tell you. You know, I used

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Speaker 4: Crisis shelter, so it was man had to be manned

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours a day because somebody was always fleeing. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting in the respect that.

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Speaker 4: you know, because of you know, just wanting the relationship

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Speaker 4: you know. And that's the interesting thing too that I

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Speaker 4: always not like when I'm researching the cases is that

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Speaker 4: you know, there are signs, there are things that kind

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Speaker 2: Oh that's not good.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know where they should have ran, They should

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Speaker 4: have headed for the hills. There are certain things that happen,

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Speaker 4: you know, and it could be just even in the

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Speaker 2: It is a red plague.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because we know this couple in our real

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Speaker 3: Like the way that these people are acting. You see

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Speaker 3: it in your real life, you know, because you're in

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Speaker 3: a relationship that's that's normal, and you look at how

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Speaker 3: these other people act and you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: this sounds exactly how this this true crime case happened

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and you know what, like if you're yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean and that's the thing, like, you know, you

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Speaker 4: see how your gut is responding to the events that

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Speaker 4: are taking place in that relationship. You know, you're correct,

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Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate that we and I'm gonna say, women

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think in a lot of these cases, you know,

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Speaker 3: night reading these horrendous stories. But then when something actually happens,

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you, honestly, I'm kind of the opposite now,

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Speaker 4: Like I see things and the idea that that person

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Speaker 4: Crazy, And you know, these are not things that I

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Speaker 4: feel just happen out the blue one day. I feel

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Speaker 4: else outside of you. It could be especially the way

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Speaker 4: with animals, like you know, all of these things are

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and in your most recent episode that actually

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Speaker 3: all went down and really close to where we live.

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Speaker 3: So when I was listening to this woman that went

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Speaker 3: in the episode for our listeners, you guys have to

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Speaker 3: check it out. This woman goes to this conference with

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Speaker 3: And then, as you are such a great story teller

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Speaker 3: so do you know, you're saying that she ends up

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Speaker 3: going from Philadelphia to the Defferent Ball, which is it's

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Speaker 2: I get out of here.

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Speaker 3: So you're talking about she ends up from Philly to

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Speaker 2: Like, how did that happen?

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Speaker 4: That's that's the thing, And that story was really crazy

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Speaker 4: because that there was never really any conclusive resolution as

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Speaker 4: Of how it played out and because of her untimely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very strange, especially because when people had

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Speaker 3: don't know, it's just a really bizarre thing. Like I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's interesting. I had

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Speaker 4: where and how it came to be was I had

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Speaker 2: It it. She really was. It was.

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Speaker 4: It was so In other words, this story, the idea

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Speaker 4: her ending up in North Carolina. I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have felt that way

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you know somebody with a personal experience,

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Speaker 3: it helps you connect it a little better when you're

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Speaker 2: Totally, totally, totally. I mean, it.

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Speaker 4: Really changes your perspective, especially when you can sort of

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Speaker 4: that you had and sort of look at other reasons

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Speaker 3: I love the theme of the I love a podcast

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Speaker 3: that has a very specific theme because I think, especially

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Speaker 3: think about is that you're not coming home. That's right,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what is very intriguing to people

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Speaker 3: about your podcast, because it's it's a scary thought when

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Speaker 3: Accidental deaths are far more common in men, so it

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Speaker 3: I mean, in this case, there's nothing really patrons of

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Speaker 3: It's it's the phone is a very interesting thing that

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's just normal behavior anymore, or especially

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Speaker 3: Oftentimes, I mean sometimes, and you can ask Maria, like

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Speaker 3: Like I don't hate it, right, it's just over there.

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Speaker 3: And yes, especially when work needs to get that enough bating.

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Speaker 4: In call, right, No, totally, totally. That's that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: It's it really is like a new era, if you will,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, don't you miss the days like I remember

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Speaker 2: Loved it, I know, right, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Remember you could just like leave the house, yes, and

439
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 4: just and just be like, okay, you know, are you called?

440
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: Sorry?

441
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: I didn't. No, there was no answer machine. It was

442
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: just like, oh they called busy, yeah yeah, before call

443
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: waiting and stuff.

444
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, how funny is that.

445
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: It's maybe bring it back, you know, it's I gotta say,

446
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 4: I you know, I think my daughter would lose her mind.

447
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no. Kids, kids wouldn't know what to do

448
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: with themselves.

449
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: It's they have no idea, like imagine imagine not having

450
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: a phone. Imagine just stepping outside your house and just

451
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 4: go and go shopping, go like it's it's so far

452
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 4: removed from that era because we are so dependent.

453
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: On our cell phones.

454
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: I forget my phone often when I go out, and

455
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: everyone has a meltdown if they can't like oh she did,

456
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like I just don't care about it,

457
00:27:51,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: right right, right right. This episode is brought to you

458
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Speaker 3: by the Gross Room.

459
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Speaker 4: Guys.

460
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: Today, I just posted the most outrageous. I say this

461
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: about everything, right, that everything's outrageous, because it is. It's

462
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: just like everything. One's up another video from one of

463
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: our listeners and Grocerom members into the Gross Room about

464
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: something very unusual one of her friends found when her

465
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: grandmother died. And it is really a cool video and

466
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: a cool story. So I want you guys to check

467
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: that out. I won't be posting that on Instagram. That'll

468
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: be exclusive for the Gross Room. What else are we

469
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: covering in there this week? Oh, we have that crazy

470
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: Lori Valos story that's going on all month for us.

471
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: Basically that's gonna be our high profile death to section

472
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: for the next few weeks. Yeah, we have that, and

473
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: then coming up too, we're gonna cover physician assisted suicide.

474
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: So that's gonna be really interesting. And as usual, we

475
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: just have crazy posts like you're saying almost every single

476
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Speaker 3: day in there. So you guys want the head over

477
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: to the grocerroom dot com now to sign up. Okay,

478
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: So our next phone dependent person needed to take a

479
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: selfie so bad at the Colosseum and their picture wasn't

480
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: good enough, so they decided to climb the fence and

481
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: on the way down they became impaled.

482
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was absolutely crazy.

483
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: That was crazy.

484
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: This happened in Philly last year, really at wanted the

485
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 3: Stadiums in the middle of the night. What wasn't somebody

486
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: was running from the police or something. Something happened and

487
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: somebody climbed over one of the fences at the stadiums

488
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: and their leg got impaled on the fence and they

489
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: were hanging upside down.

490
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that just sounds awful. I mean, you

491
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: know this guy, and this happened just a few days ago,

492
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: like it says may.

493
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: Second, like he's probably still in the hospital. Holy cow.

494
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: And here's the thing, that too, is also the best

495
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: case scenario when you consider that in that position, he

496
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: could have just bled out.

497
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. And it's like you get to get

498
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: eighty stitches.

499
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: Eighties yes, I mean it's like, dude, was it worth it? Like,

500
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: come on, like, what made you think that that was

501
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: a good idea?

502
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, but listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.

503
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: Like when we go my family and I travel a lot.

504
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: We take road trips and go to these national parks.

505
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: My husband always goes like over the bar and he's

506
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: a firefighter, so he has no fear of anything. In

507
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: the whole time, I'm just like my heart's beating and

508
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: the kids are like, can we go with them? And

509
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, absolutely not. I don't care if you think

510
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm the biggest like Karen whatever you want to call me,

511
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: like you're not. There's a reason that that thing's there,

512
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: and and and like so like I live with somebody

513
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: that does stuff like this that just right when they

514
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: say don't take pictures, I kind of I'm like, Okay,

515
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in trouble. I'm not going

516
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: to take a picture. He like no, no regard, Like

517
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: I'm here and I'm getting I'm document in this thing

518
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: right Like.

519
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I guess it's it's the sort of

520
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: the nature of a firefighter. I mean, they're not afraid

521
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: of danger in the way that we are.

522
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Speaker 2: I would have to reckon because yeah, terrible.

523
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: You imagine paying all that money to go to Italy

524
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: and then you see the impairment happen and you're like,

525
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: I would love it, Actually that would be I'd be

526
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: like for you definitely work.

527
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: I know, look freaks like us. Yeah, I would probably,

528
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: I admit I'd probably be.

529
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Like, what's going on? What's going on?

530
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: Move?

531
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: So I gulds.

532
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: Now that so you cover all this true crime stuff,

533
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: Like when you see the autopsy photos and stuff, are

534
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: you interested in it or does it bother you?

535
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: Yes?

536
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm very interested.

537
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: I wish that I could just view autopsy photos really,

538
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: like I literally go online to see if there are photos.

539
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to give her a membership to the

540
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: Grocerroom because that's yea our website every day, all day,

541
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: every day.

542
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: That would be such a gift.

543
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I missed my calling. If I

544
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: went into medicine, That's what I would be doing. If

545
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: I went into medicine, I would be doing pathology or

546
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: I would be a medical examiner somewhere or you know,

547
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: a pathology assistant.

548
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Like I truly missed my calling.

549
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: You know, no, you did it. You're doing this and

550
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: it's awesome.

551
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: That's true. That is true. That is true.

552
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: The only thing that I think would freak me out

553
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: are the bugs.

554
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: It's because whenever I would get a specimen or a

555
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: body that had maggots on it, like I feel like

556
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: I have to go home and take a shower, it's terrible.

557
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: That's right. So you know you've been there.

558
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: I can't explain it to you. It's just like you're

559
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: just sitting there and you're like they're crawling all over me.

560
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: It's just the weirdest thing. No, I always I'm like,

561
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: I have to go home.

562
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. I can't.

563
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: That would be the thing too, that would have me.

564
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: My response would be very similar.

565
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: Still, think about doctor Bird. Last year we interviewed a

566
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: forensic entomologists. He specializes in dealing with the bugs.

567
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

568
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: There's some people that interested in it that they want

569
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: to specialize in it. He loves the bugs.

570
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: I got. Look, let's face it, bugs are interesting, especially

571
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: bugs that you find on dead bodies. If I didn't

572
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: get the GB's like I do, I would be very fat.

573
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: I'd be very fascinated. It's just again, you know, I mean,

574
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: the human form, the human body is just so interesting.

575
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 4: And you know, so, yeah, autopsy is that kind of thing.

576
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 4: I find reading those reports absolutely fascinating.

577
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting that that people don't really think of.

578
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: So as a PA, I've worked in surgical pathology and autopsy,

579
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: and when I get a leg in surgical pathology that

580
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: has maggots on it. It just gross.

581
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: It.

582
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to say gross because it's not gross.

583
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: It just gives me like, like you said, like babb feeling,

584
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: yes exactly. And to think that that leg was just

585
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: attached to a person that's alive. That's what really freaks

586
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: me out. Like when you see bobs on a dead body,

587
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 3: You're like, Okay, they're dead, they're supposed to be gross.

588
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: But this is like a whole other level.

589
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: That is a whole other level that is that is

590
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: because cause you to pause and go.

591
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: Wow, like could you imagine having a maggot infestation on

592
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: your body while you're alive and alert?

593
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: And I know that that's a thing. I know, Yes,

594
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 2: it is a thing.

595
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: I mean, but I got to tell you, I can't imagine.

596
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine. And they thrive in that environment, like

597
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: it's so gross and fascinating.

598
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: It really is.

599
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: So we had a case in the gross room fairly

600
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: recently about a person that had gone on vacation so

601
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: this is a vacation story and came home and had

602
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: this itch on his neck and it looked like a

603
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: mosquito bite, and that's what he thought he was, and

604
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: then he went to the hospital and no, it wasn't

605
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: a mosquito bite. It was a fly under his skin

606
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: from traveling to a tropical occasion. Yes, oh, and I'm

607
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: sure you don't you hear about this when people travel

608
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: to places like that, right.

609
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I you know. I did read

610
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: something like that a while ago.

611
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 4: And it was a woman that was hiking and this

612
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: was years ago, and a fly flew in her ear.

613
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: She had like maggots in her brain.

614
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, I know, it's so crazy, but it happens.

615
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: It does happen. If yeah, yeah, it is funny.

616
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: I think your husband came to you. No, it's funny

617
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: to think your husband came to you. It was like,

618
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: do you think there's enough content to talk about things

619
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: that happen to people on vacation and it turns out

620
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: it just will never end. You have endless content?

621
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you're absolutely right there, and it's it's

622
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: it's yeah, we do.

623
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: We do.

624
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: We actually have a spreadsheet of just so many names.

625
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: It's crazy, it really is.

626
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: And it's like you were like, it's like that on

627
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: this show too, Like we have to cut so many

628
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: things every week because there's just so much of it.

629
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: We just can't cover it. We could do ex episode

630
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: every single day, like easily.

631
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Isn't that shocking?

632
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's kind of like humans are going to

633
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: keep being human, so keep it going and then we'll

634
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: always be employed.

635
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.

636
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Really well, this thing, this is another animal attack. Going

637
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: to earlier. So, the sixty year old woman was circling

638
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: in southern Australia and suddenly this sting ray came up

639
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: behind her and stung her with its six inch of barb. Horrific.

640
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and she's lucky to penetrate. Oh my god, bro,

641
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: stay away, I am not. Yeah, yeah, I mean.

642
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: It said that the barb pierced her right arm just

643
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: above the elbow, and she likened it to a like

644
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: being bitten by a door, and it's lucky it didn't

645
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: like go through a main artery.

646
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: Again, a situation where in spite.

647
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: Of this, it was the best case scenario because she

648
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: was able to.

649
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: Get help immediately. Holy cow, holy.

650
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of those near misses her. It

651
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: went right next to her brachial artery and she was

652
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: still bleeding a lot actually, and that's the thing like,

653
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: if you ever get injured in the water like that,

654
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: do you want to get out if you're bleeding like that,

655
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: because then that's going to attract a shark.

656
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: Like literally, oh my god, you're so right about that.

657
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even think about that. And and the

658
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: stingrays have they have like a double whammy when because

659
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: the the barb is actually serrated like a like a

660
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: knife would be like a steak knife with the little

661
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: teething you know, yes, it's like that, but it also

662
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: has talksin in it that could make necrosis in the area.

663
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: So for her especially, So I don't know if you

664
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: remember this is how Steve Irwin died.

665
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Yes I remember that, but yes, yes, I think he

666
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: got it right through the chest.

667
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for him, the necrosis wouldn't have been an

668
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: issue obviously, because the thing stabbed them. It's crazy. The

669
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: cameraman and they had it all on film, witness the

670
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: whole thing and said, the thing just went nuts and

671
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 3: was like repeatedly stabbing them in the chest. But if

672
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: the if a piece of the barber can sometimes break

673
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: off inside of the person, it could cause tissue death

674
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: around that area. So a person that survives it. They

675
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: have like that to worry about too, not just bleeding out.

676
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: It's very bizarre because the the woman is saying is

677
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: really out of character for the stingray to attack.

678
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

679
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: I had read that as well, that it's not that

680
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: typically stink rays do not attack people.

681
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: No, that's not their nature. They're pretty docile.

682
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're generally not aggressive unless they feel threatened. So

683
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: it's interesting because she was a researcher, so I assume

684
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 3: she was doing all the proper things. But I guess

685
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: sometimes people could step on them by accident too, which

686
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: triggers an attack. It's weird with Steve Irwin that he

687
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: was repeatedly attacking him in that way. I didn't really

688
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: know that fact about it. Yeah, well, there was a

689
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: lot of things that it stabbed him and he pulled it.

690
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: There was like a lot of hearsay about it. I

691
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: did a celebrity death so in our website we were

692
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: talking about every week we do a celebrity death dissection

693
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: or a high profile death dis section where we go

694
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: through the autopsy of like hal a person died and stuff,

695
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: and Yeah, you're gonna love it. You're you're gonna be.

696
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Like roll on that I already Yes, yes, that is correct.

697
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: But honestly, yeah, he had he had a cardiac tampa odds.

698
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: So so it pierced his heart and caused them to

699
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: bleed out. And not only do you bleed out from

700
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: a hole in the heart, but also the just the

701
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: blood accumulating in the sack around the heart. Yes, the

702
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: heart too and causes it.

703
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

704
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're not you can't breathe, you can't oxygen

705
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: is not going through the body.

706
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: H Yeah, that was that was really really sad.

707
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, this woman was incredibly lucky, incredibly

708
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: lucky because it could have been a disaster in a

709
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: whole other way. Yeah.

710
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: And I think that the largest ones have barbs that

711
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: are eight inches long, so I mean this one was

712
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: six inches long. So it was a pretty big sting, right,

713
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean. And then to think that someone like Steve Irwin,

714
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: who was so experienced with these animals, actually died from that,

715
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: that would freak me out.

716
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, absolutely.

717
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: So the woman had said that she's going to actually

718
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: keep the bar as sort of like a sylvenir of survival,

719
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: which is kind of cool.

720
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: No, it is cool because I would do something like

721
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: that too, But some people would be so traumatized, you know.

722
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

723
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, look things again, things like that fascinate me.

724
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: Like like my cat, for example, had to have emergency

725
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: surgery because he was eating strange things and there was

726
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: some kind of obstruction and I just happened to say

727
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: to the surgeon that was gonna you know the vet,

728
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 4: I said, could you.

729
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: Just keep it for me?

730
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to see And I saved it, and of

731
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: course this and it was a like you know those

732
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: like yoga mats those, Yeah, that's what it was.

733
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, so stuff like that totally

734
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: fascinates me. And like you yeah, I would have definitely

735
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: been like, yeah, can you can I keep that?

736
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to take that home.

737
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 3: Well, we were just talking. Was it last episode about uh?

738
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: It was one episode this week about a woman who

739
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: was cutting off of voluntarily cutting off her body parts

740
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: and cut off her nose and was saving all of

741
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: these body parts she was cutting off in jars in

742
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: her house.

743
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so like, why fascinating?

744
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: But I don't know about cutting off your own body parts.

745
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: I mean whatever, That's why I said to Marie. I

746
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: was like listen. If I'm going to cut off my nose,

747
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep it in the jar. Like well,

748
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: I have my kids placentas and jars in my house,

749
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: like I love, I keep stuff. I'm a keeper girl.

750
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: I love that. That makes me wish I had done

751
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: the same thing. I mean, I have her teeth and

752
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 4: I have her first hair from her first hair cut.

753
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 4: But I didn't think of that. So you guys are

754
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: near Philly, right, so you must have been to the

755
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 4: mut Or Museum.

756
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Oh yeah, I got married there.

757
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, where have you guys been all my life? Yes?

758
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like she she's going to be the most

759
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: active member in the gross room.

760
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: Right, It's true. It's true.

761
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: No, it's it's that you're gonna kill me because you're

762
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: going to be busy for like the next six months reading.

763
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been doing it for five years. There's

764
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: like thousands of posts on there. Now it's it's, oh

765
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: my gosh, yeah, you're gonna have fun.

766
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: I yes, just thinking about it is. I love that

767
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: you got married at the Letter Museum. I got to say,

768
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 4: that's I wish I had thought of that.

769
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: There were there were lots of uninvited guests at my

770
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: wedding in the background. I bet photobomb.

771
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: Bet I bet, I bet. And the funny thing is is,

772
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: whenever I'm in Philly, I always try to hit up

773
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: that place.

774
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to let us know next time you're around,

775
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: because you will over my house, will my stuff?

776
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: I am there, all right, all there, all right.

777
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: So this, this last case that we're going to talk about,

778
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with vacation, but I figured you'd

779
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: be interested just because you're a true crime junkie.

780
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I am.

781
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: And this is especially fascinating because again it was DNA

782
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: an old fingerprint, it's and here we are the person.

783
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: This was a murder that took place.

784
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: In January nineteen seventy seven.

785
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: Holy cow.

786
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely crazy. That was like two years before I

787
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: was born.

788
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.

789
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: I am.

790
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like you know what I really love about these

791
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: old cases. The investigators may have not really known that

792
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: DNA was ever going to be on the horizon, but

793
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: they saved the right stuff to test it in the future.

794
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: That's I think that's so cool.

795
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: That's yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean when you

796
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: think about this, right, I mean, and just when these

797
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: people probably gotten to a point where they thought I.

798
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: Got away with it.

799
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 4: It's like, nope, surprise, surprise. I gotta say, A cool thing,

800
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: isn't it. I love that for them. I love that

801
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: for them to finally, you know that they get what's coming.

802
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: The dude's like almost seventy years old. Yes, and it's like, good,

804
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: you did think you got away with it.

805
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 2: I love it, exactly. We love that for them.

806
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: We love that because you know, it's it's just disgusting

807
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: to think that you snuffed this young woman and she

808
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: didn't get to watch her son grow up. She didn't

809
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: get to go to his you know, his graduation, his graduations.

810
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 4: She didn't get to be a part of his life. So, yes, exactly, exactly.

811
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the specifics of this case is that this

812
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: twenty four year old woman was found dead on February first,

813
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven. The last time she had been seen

814
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: was the night before, leaving a bar with an unknown man,

815
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: and she was found in a old Swagen Beetle in

816
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: the backseat, strangled by a long sleeved T shirt. It

817
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: looked like the car had been tried. The killer tried

818
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: to set the car on fire, but had failed at that.

819
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: So after all this time, they found this fingerprint on

820
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: one of her cigarette packs. Wow, and they've now been

821
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: able to identify this man that's sixteen nine years old.

822
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 3: This I always cite the Golden State killer case because

823
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: that was like mind blowing to me when that all happened.

824
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: I just recently read Paul Hol's book going kind of

826
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: step by step about how they did that, and I

827
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: think this is such incredible work all these years later,

828
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: and that these investigators are still so devoted enough to

829
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: try to solve this almost case.

830
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: Yes.

831
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 4: Yes, his name was Willy Eugene Sims, sixty nine years old,

832
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: and they got him. He was in Jefferson, Ohio. And

833
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: I love this for you, Willy Eugene Sims. Yeah, It's

834
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: it's crazy. And you know, again, the thing that always

835
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 4: kind of makes me wonder.

836
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: Is what who does that? Who does that to people?

837
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: And why? It's just it's just crazy to me.

838
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's as a thing. He did it a

839
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 3: year later, right and got yes, but yes he didn't

840
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: kill the person, right right, Yes, that's right. Yeah, And

841
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: I think at the time, so this crime happened in California,

842
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: which again it's insane. He's in Hawaii, Ohio now, so

843
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: they were able to find him. You're there. But I

844
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: think at the time they maybe didn't put his DNA

845
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: in the system because you know how before we had

846
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 3: the DARE public systems there for dakotis. But it didn't

847
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: seem like he was in there.

848
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think he was.

849
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: God people got away with murders so much, literally truly.

850
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: God girl, they did, they did. I mean, that's that's

851
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: the thing that's just so mind boggling, you know, just

852
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 4: and multiple killings, like like Harry Ridgeways, It's like and

853
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 4: there's and and the book that you read of the

854
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: Golden the one in California.

855
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Who yeah, holy cow.

856
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's very rewarding to.

857
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: Me to see them get what's coming that that always

858
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: feels good.

859
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. We always say that everybody that committed a crime

860
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: is probably like shitting themselves now knowing that they're just

861
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: going through.

862
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 4: Everything as they should be, exactly as they should be.

863
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: Okay, as they should be. You know, I'm glad.

864
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: Science is amazing, it's amazing, and it's amazing to think

865
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: just how far we've come from even just like five

866
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: ten years ago.

867
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: How far we've come.

868
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: It's it's pretty crazy, it really is, and pretty amazing too. No.

869
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. And all those women that had kids that

870
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: they didn't know who the dad was and all that.

871
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: Oh girl, remember when that could be a secret to

872
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: the grade. I mean, can I just tell you I

873
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: have at least two friends that found out without even knowing.

874
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 4: One found out that her dad was not her dad,

875
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: and another friend found out that the landlord wasn't heard.

876
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's traumatizing, right, Yes, I can't even

877
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: imagine how I'm setting that would be.

878
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 4: No, because it's it's it's it brings so many other

879
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 4: things into focus now, doesn't it. I Mean it's like, seriously, Mom, seriously.

880
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Right now? The landlord.

881
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: We were just saying, we were just talking about that

882
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: because there's a couple of cases of like famous people

883
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: that there's always question about, like Prince Harry and then

884
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: who's the other one, Oh William Frank Sinatra and oh

885
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: Rodan Pharaoh.

886
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 2: H right me and Pharaoh's son Yeah yeah.

887
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, part of me thinks that he's supposed to be

888
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: Woody Allen's kid, like yeah, but part of me thinks that,

889
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: like you know, he would want to get the DNA

890
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 3: test because you wouldn't want to be tied to Woody Allen.

891
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: But at the same time, he might want to protect

892
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 3: his mom's integrity. So he's doing this is what I think.

893
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: I think that he's done it and he knows and

894
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 3: he's waiting for what he Allen to die to get

895
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: the money, and then afterwards he's gonna come out. I

896
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: don't think he's getting the money at this point. I

897
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: mean he I just wrote a book wrote and Pharaoh

898
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: wrote about Harvey Weinstein, and he touched a lot on

899
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: the pedophilia of his father in that book. So I

900
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: would say it's safe to say he's probably cut out

901
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: of the wills. Well, just just in case, he better

902
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: be kep his mouth shut for another couple of years.

903
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: Just hang in there, Just hang in there, keep your

904
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: eye on the dollar.

905
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: I think he's protecting me a pharaoh, that's my think.

906
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: So maybe he'll wait till she dies, right, Maybe yeah,

907
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: Because I think you know, if you're if your biological

908
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: father ended up being this pedophile and then ended up

909
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: marrying your sister, I think that you would want to

910
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: do everything in your power to prove you were not

911
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 3: related to that person. And plus like I mean, like listen,

912
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: I used to like what he allen before before all this,

913
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: so he's equally.

914
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: Like was girl me?

915
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: I know like some of his movie. I just like

916
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: the whole thing bothered. It's the same with Michael Jackson.

917
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: Though, yes, girl, yes, yes, we did have a whole

918
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: other podcast on that stuff, couldn't we now?

919
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like I was really obsessed with Michael

920
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 3: Jackson my entire life because that was like when I

921
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: who wasn't Yes, I know exactly exactly, And you know,

922
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: when you hear the songs, it just like makes you

923
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: feel good and remind you when you're a kid and stuff,

924
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why him?

925
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: Why right right right?

926
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: I can't. I just like can't even tell my kids

927
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: like you gotta love this guy because I can't.

928
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: You can't. I know, I really could not, right, It's

929
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: It's sad, it really is.

930
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: Well, Kim, thanks so much for being here with us.

931
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 3: This was so much fun.

932
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: It was so much fun.

933
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for having you saw your

934
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 4: yes and I will when when I saw your h

935
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 4: the title of your podcast, I was like, oh my god,

936
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 4: my people, my people.

937
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, we have everywhere. Tell everyone where they

938
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: could find you. You on Instagram where.

939
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: I am on I am on Instagram. You can find

940
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: me on Instagram at slaycation WTF. It's one word and

941
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: it's exactly how it sounds. You can find this on

942
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 4: Facebook slaycation. We have a closed group if you want

943
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: to get into the nitty gritty with us, it's slay

944
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: Caters only, So come on down. And I'm actually on

945
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 4: Instagram as my own personal as that girl Knits. So

946
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 4: if you're curious about crafting and like to see what

947
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 4: I make, that girl Nits is the place to be

948
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: if you want to.

949
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: She's gonna be our best friend, like huge craft people too.

950
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, ladies, yes.

951
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: Yes, Wait, can I tell you what Maria got me for?

952
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: Was it my birthday? Christmas? She got me electric scissors?

953
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

954
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: You know, well joey and fabric isn't even but the

955
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: girl used them and to cut the fabric, and I

956
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: was like, and me and her looked at each other

957
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 3: and were like, that's awesome. So she got them for me.

958
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: I use because I'm like, I get really into my

959
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: kids school projects. I've been working on one with her

960
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: now for like weeks because I always wanted to be

961
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: the best thing ever. You know, Yes, but you have

962
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 3: to get the electric scissors.

963
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: I am, I'm there, I'm on board. I'm on board.

964
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: They cut through cardboard like butter. It's just amazing. Yeah,

965
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: it's good. I find this so funny. You're so interested

966
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: in this gift. I thought for sure you were going

967
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: to make fun of me for buying them for you.

968
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 3: And I use them so much.

969
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: You you see, you see that, you see that's the

970
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: whole thing. I mean, you never know, but something you

971
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 4: tapped into something, you tapped into something.

972
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know what to tell you.

973
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: There's some psychic thing that you got going on that

974
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 4: you knew. Okay, because that's a great gift. I'm here

975
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: to tell you.

976
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: And it's like those little things, you know.

977
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: I feel like it's that quote where it's like, are

978
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: you my new best friend?

979
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: It's true.

980
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 3: She's gonna come over here and be like, oh my god,

981
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: this is so cool and yeah, it's great.

982
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, ladies, this was so much fun.

983
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

984
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: Thanks come back again, please.

985
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: Bro, I will, I will.

986
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 4: I look forward to going over the crazy stories and

987
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: the latest placation cases.

988
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: There's always going to be something to talk about.

989
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, Thank you so much, thank him. If you

990
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: guys would be so awesome as to leave us a

991
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 3: review on Apple or Spotify or subscribe to our YouTube channel,

992
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,360
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993
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: it to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. And don't forget

994
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: to check out Kim's podcast Lacation hik wegind Guys. Bye,

995
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: thank you for listening to Mother Noos Death. As a reminder,

996
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

997
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

998
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,720
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999
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

1000
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

1001
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,280
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1002
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

1003
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

1004
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: that science is changing every day and the opinions expres

1005
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 3: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

1006
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

1007
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