Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: We're in a very weird pro divorce moment. This American
Speaker 1: ex Wife is a really popular book among a certain
Speaker 1: set of women. Okay, they all live in Brooklyn, about
Speaker 1: how freeing divorces. Even the New York Times made fun
Speaker 1: of this concept of freedom, though of course they did
Speaker 1: it from the left. They wrote. Lens, for example, spends
Speaker 1: much of her book detailing her struggle to get free,
Speaker 1: but never feels she needs to define freedom. It is
Speaker 1: taken as a given that freedom still means the law
Speaker 1: firm partner in heels, the self made woman with an
Speaker 1: independent business, the best selling author on book tour, the
Speaker 1: woman who has shed any residue of the domestic and
Speaker 1: has finally come to shine with capitalist achievement. It is
Speaker 1: not the freedom for a woman to stay home with
Speaker 1: her child for a year or five, the freedom to
Speaker 1: stop working after a lifetime toiling in low wage jobs,
Speaker 1: the freedom for a Filipina nanny to watch her own
Speaker 1: children instead of those of her liberated American boss. The
Speaker 1: freedom to start a farm or a homestead, or engage
Speaker 1: in the kind of unpaid work ignored by an economy
Speaker 1: that still values above all else the white collar professional
Speaker 1: labor long dominated by men, and in fact mostly fails
Speaker 1: to recognize other labor as valuable at all. End quote
Speaker 1: it's bad when the New York Times is making fun
Speaker 1: of you, and The Atlantic noted divorce is in the
Speaker 1: literary air lately, but also said Lens's impulse to generalize
Speaker 1: is so strong that at times her work whiffs of
Speaker 1: self help. This idea that a woman can only be
Speaker 1: free as long as she's not in a loving, stable
Speaker 1: relationship is a weird lie sold to girls, and I
Speaker 1: think it's getting worse. Boys are constantly portrayed as a
Speaker 1: problem that girls are best to avoid. The idea that
Speaker 1: life is about getting a job is pushed constantly. I
Speaker 1: remember Michelle Obama telling girls to put books before boys. Look.
Speaker 1: I fully agree with that. Obviously, of course, get an education,
Speaker 1: but that has largely turned into all books, no boys.
Speaker 1: Marriage rates continue to decrease, and this glamorizing of divorce
Speaker 1: is not good for anyone. My prediction is that all
Speaker 1: of these stories that we read over the last decade
Speaker 1: about how older mena lonely, have no friends and no
Speaker 1: social outlets will be told about women fairly soon. Women
Speaker 1: are more social in general and encouraged to have friends,
Speaker 1: but the whole idea that discourages them from being in
Speaker 1: relationships will end up hurting them. I often talk about
Speaker 1: things you should discuss with your children. Talk to your
Speaker 1: kids about the importance of finding the right spouse, of
Speaker 1: getting married and having a family. Say the words as
Speaker 1: I like to say on this show. But this is
Speaker 1: something to also talk about with friends so they don't
Speaker 1: get influenced by bad actors. Divorce isn't glamorous, it isn't
Speaker 1: freeing saying staying bad marriages. But don't believe the lie
Speaker 1: being very much pushed right now, that divorce is the
Speaker 1: only road to happiness and that a woman can only
Speaker 1: be free when she is alone. So many of you
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Speaker 1: with Dre de Matteo. Join us after the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Drey de Mateo. Drey is an Emmy
Speaker 2: Award winning actress from the Sopranos and co founder of
Speaker 2: the parrolne Ultra Free Hi. Dra, so nice to have
Speaker 2: you on.
Speaker 3: Hi, It's an honor to be here. I figure I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of your work. I think I
Speaker 2: cried when Adriana was killed on The Sopranos, and I
Speaker 2: was like, don't get in the car, don't get in
Speaker 2: the car. But I've always thought you were just fantastic.
Speaker 2: And I've followed a lot of your recent interviews and
Speaker 2: you've talked about being an outcast in Hollywood because of
Speaker 2: your support for Donald Trump. Why do it?
Speaker 4: I mean, well, first off, I you know, it was
Speaker 4: more benign than that.
Speaker 3: Before it was Kennedy.
Speaker 4: I've been supporting Kennedy the whole time through the pistle pain.
Speaker 4: Now that Kennedy's joined forces with Trump, I am not a.
Speaker 3: What do they call them? The Trump derangement syndrome, folks?
Speaker 3: Was no TDS.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I had that when I voted for Biden,
Speaker 4: and I had never voted in my life because I
Speaker 4: was always anti government, always believed it was a selection.
Speaker 3: I was anti Bush all of these things.
Speaker 4: And until I realized that this administration just seems like
Speaker 4: a continuation of that, the Bush administration.
Speaker 3: But I you know, I.
Speaker 4: Remember my daughter saying, you know, pick the lesser of
Speaker 4: two evils, mommy, And at that time, I wasn't really
Speaker 4: I was asleep.
Speaker 3: I wasn't paying much attention to what was going on.
Speaker 4: I think that when there are Democrats in office, liberals
Speaker 4: do tend to go to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I felt like, you know, when Trump was
Speaker 4: in office, all I kept saying was I think this
Speaker 4: is amazing.
Speaker 5: Everyone's awake. But I yes, and now cast in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I was never part of Hollywood to be pushed out
Speaker 5: of there. It never would have even I don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't think I'd go back right now to act
Speaker 4: or try to be a part of that society. I
Speaker 4: think it's a I think everything is so rigged right now.
Speaker 4: I'm not happy with the media period in general. I
Speaker 4: feel like there's a war on the truth on from
Speaker 4: every angle and creative I just, yeah, my ostracized from Hollywood,
Speaker 4: my set aside because of Trump. I mean, am I
Speaker 4: going to get behind Trump right now?
Speaker 3: Fourth? Right?
Speaker 2: I just you know, I just don't get like so
Speaker 2: I'm a conservative. You know, before we got on, you said,
Speaker 2: you know, like, okay, you're token liberal for the day,
Speaker 2: which is funny because you are a liberal, right, I
Speaker 2: mean self proclaimed liberal, and yet you're supporting Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: You could have an easier time, you know, you could
Speaker 2: not say anything you can I mean, you could obviously
Speaker 2: join the Kamala train, but even if you don't want
Speaker 2: to do that, you could easily just have the easier
Speaker 2: time in your career and stay quiet. So I'm always
Speaker 2: curious about the people who don't have to speak up
Speaker 2: and actually speak up at like risk to themselves. Why
Speaker 2: why what motivates you?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I had no choice. I fell into it. I wasn't
Speaker 4: looking for a platform of any kind. I've been quiet
Speaker 4: actor my whole life, totally anonymous. No one would know
Speaker 4: anything from me. My Instagram was never fully active. So
Speaker 4: when I lost everything through the vaccine mandates, that was
Speaker 4: when things.
Speaker 3: Started to get really heated. I was losing my home.
Speaker 3: I was almost a foreclosure to talk why I was
Speaker 3: in foreclosure.
Speaker 4: And I had to do things that I would never
Speaker 4: a million years imagine I would do to survive, take
Speaker 4: care of my kids and everything.
Speaker 3: It was kind of just a spoof, like like a
Speaker 3: joke sort of we we. I'm going to say we because.
Speaker 4: It was a family decision and only fans as a
Speaker 4: fan page, not if it only fans is a lot
Speaker 4: of different things, but for me, it was you know,
Speaker 4: it's like an Adriana to serve a fan page if anything.
Speaker 4: And I got a lot of I got a lot
Speaker 4: of heat, I got a lot of love.
Speaker 3: I am between two worlds. It's funny.
Speaker 4: It's like the conservatives don't want me because I did that,
Speaker 4: but they were They had open arms for me for
Speaker 4: that because I was People secretly knew I was moving
Speaker 4: towards being more of a conservative by the way.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of.
Speaker 4: Us and a lot of us ultraliberals will say that,
Speaker 4: you know, conservative is.
Speaker 3: The new pop rock. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: A lot of my I'm digressing and I always do,
Speaker 4: and I'm so sorry because I.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. This is this is a flowing conversation,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it breaks my heart to see my liberal friends
Speaker 4: who don't understand yet, and the minute you mentioned because
Speaker 4: they I got them all behind Kennedy. Took a while,
Speaker 4: and I got a lot of people behind Kennedy. And
Speaker 4: now that he's moved over to Trump, I feel like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, what am I going to do? How am
Speaker 4: I going to convince people that.
Speaker 6: That he's that he's okay right when they're so hung
Speaker 6: up on headlines and the fact that he's racist, that
Speaker 6: he's sexist, that he's you know, that he has a
Speaker 6: personality disorder.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so it feels like the biggest mountain
Speaker 4: I would climb right now. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: get people to vote for Trump or I was never
Speaker 4: trying to get them to vote for Kennedy. All I
Speaker 4: was doing once I was let out of the stable
Speaker 4: and I had no choice anymore. Like once I the
Speaker 4: only Fans thing came out and I explained why I
Speaker 4: did that, I was catapulted into a world of insanity
Speaker 4: and I stayed there. I didn't even feel like it
Speaker 4: was me doing the talking Half the time. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what is happening here? But I just want people just
Speaker 4: to wake up more. The people that are on the
Speaker 4: brink of waking up, just go all the way. I
Speaker 4: know there are a lot of people.
Speaker 3: That were going to lose through a lot of this, right, but.
Speaker 4: I think people need to get back to the middle,
Speaker 4: to the center of reality, of just reality and recognize that.
Speaker 4: You know, I know Trump's a republic and I know
Speaker 4: that a lot of people that love him are conservatives.
Speaker 4: But I really believe in my heart that he's not
Speaker 4: playing politics right now.
Speaker 3: I mean he has to, Yeah, he's his own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he needs.
Speaker 4: That Republican vote, and I understand that humanity is the
Speaker 4: bigger issue right now, and any way to get into
Speaker 4: the corruption, to start whacking all those weeds down, you.
Speaker 3: Know, with Kennedy in there, because he gives a voice.
Speaker 4: Trump says straight in the swamp, and then Kenny comes
Speaker 4: in there and explains what exactly that means. And I
Speaker 4: feel like the pairing of the two of them. We
Speaker 4: were all like hoping for this, you know, because you
Speaker 4: need Trump's muscle.
Speaker 2: Do you get support from the Italian American world because
Speaker 2: they're pretty conservative? I mean, you know, I'm I was
Speaker 2: born in Russia. I grew up in Brooklyn. Italians were
Speaker 2: my people. They were very similar to US conservatives, and
Speaker 2: you know, kind of normal.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I got all their support.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I'll have most of their support
Speaker 4: now that I would be behind Trump. Kennedy was a
Speaker 4: sort of a nebulous place. I think for some Italians.
Speaker 3: I think there's so.
Speaker 4: Much ego tied into the politics of of what team
Speaker 4: you choose. People are just so like Mega or Blue Blue,
Speaker 4: no matter who, there's all his ego in it, and
Speaker 4: Italians have major egos. So in that respect, yes, But
Speaker 4: then a lot of people who saw that I joined
Speaker 4: OnlyFans think that I'm you know, thought now they don't
Speaker 4: really know that it's just kind of for fun. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so that was tough. I, like I said, I'm a
Speaker 4: man without a country. There's no they don't have any
Speaker 4: side to be on at this point. I don't really
Speaker 4: believe in any of these sides.
Speaker 3: I believe in the best person for the job.
Speaker 4: I don't think that two men are going to be
Speaker 4: able to stop this avalanche that.
Speaker 3: But it's not so much the Democrats.
Speaker 4: You know, they were doing it during the Bush administration,
Speaker 4: and they pushed it through Clinton and Obama and all this,
Speaker 4: and I just don't know if two men can stop
Speaker 4: even with Tulsa. You know it takes all of us
Speaker 4: to wake up.
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Speaker 2: What's your largest cultural concern? Like, what do you worry about?
Speaker 2: What's our biggest cultural problem?
Speaker 4: Without sounding like an asshole, I would say the idiot
Speaker 4: you see that's out there right now.
Speaker 3: That's a terrible thing to say. I think where does
Speaker 3: all cultures start? Right?
Speaker 4: It starts in the media, you know, they push it
Speaker 4: through their channels. I think my hat's right here that
Speaker 4: I'm always wearing.
Speaker 3: The fund the media.
Speaker 2: The hat says yes.
Speaker 4: So I feel like a lot of these cultural issues
Speaker 4: and Kennedy says it great, while you have everybody infighting
Speaker 4: over the social issues, you're not paying attention to what's
Speaker 4: really going on. I was trying to explain this to
Speaker 4: one of my gay friends yesterday. I just think all
Speaker 4: of these rights that they're afraid of being taken away,
Speaker 4: like gay marriage or abortion or.
Speaker 3: All of that stuff.
Speaker 4: I think, imagine if we had a society where two
Speaker 4: parties decided we are not going to go we are
Speaker 4: not running an abortion, gay marriage, We're not going to
Speaker 4: run any social issues. We're only going to run on
Speaker 4: the heart of the matter of what's really going on
Speaker 4: in the world, the food, the war, on the true
Speaker 4: with the wars, just the wars alone.
Speaker 3: You look at the two parties and the Liberals will war.
Speaker 3: They vote for war, and that's a switch. That's a
Speaker 3: huge switch.
Speaker 4: And I wonder with all this sort of identity politics,
Speaker 4: which I don't think it's identity in terms of race
Speaker 4: and sex. I look at identity politics more like I
Speaker 4: have to vote blue no matter who. And it's my
Speaker 4: version of it. It's not I know that's not the
Speaker 4: way it is in the world. But I feel like
Speaker 4: if they could just get away from the teams and
Speaker 4: realize that it's all bullshit, it's really about this corruption
Speaker 4: that's inside, and these two men are actually trying to
Speaker 4: dismantle it. But he's got to use the Republican Party
Speaker 4: to do it. And no offense to the Republicans either.
Speaker 3: But I think they know it. I think they're hip
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: What's the idea behind your ultra free brand? Like the
Speaker 2: freedom thing seems to be a thing for you, definitely right.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
Speaker 4: When I almost lost my home and my kids had
Speaker 4: to watch me figure everything out and watch the stress
Speaker 4: I had to go through with no help from anyone,
Speaker 4: the only person who would help me was a Russian woman.
Speaker 3: She offered to help me.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you that I'll never forget
Speaker 4: it because she's she was my I wouldn't take anything
Speaker 4: from her because she had nothing, but she said, let
Speaker 4: me pay.
Speaker 3: Your mortgage off, and I'll do it right now. And
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 4: But but we were very aligned during the whole Ukraine
Speaker 4: Russia thing because you know, we understood what was going on,
Speaker 4: whereas you know, a lot of these kids.
Speaker 3: When my kids come to me and say, Mommy, what's.
Speaker 4: Happening in Ukraine Russia, and I'm like, I don't really know,
Speaker 4: and now I need to go in and educate myself
Speaker 4: completely from you know, back in two thousands back to
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: All this stuff, that's where Ultra Free was born.
Speaker 4: It was continue it was losing everything over freedom of speech.
Speaker 3: Oh for being afraid. I was afraid.
Speaker 4: I was afraid people were going to come to my
Speaker 4: house and force vaccinate us. I mean, you hear this
Speaker 4: stuff happening in other places, and what their agenda is
Speaker 4: my kids going to go to school.
Speaker 3: We had to move. We were leaving.
Speaker 4: California over the mandates and the public school system.
Speaker 3: And there's more stuff coming that you know that we
Speaker 3: know about.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know there's more stuff on the horizon
Speaker 4: that is going to trample on our freedom. It's no
Speaker 4: matter who gets in office, they're going to push this
Speaker 4: agenda as far as it can. So Ultra Free was
Speaker 4: born out of all of that. It was, you know,
Speaker 4: don't tread on me. It's a very I guess sort
Speaker 4: of libertarian, you know.
Speaker 3: And where this is one of our shirts, what is
Speaker 3: this in it? I can't as Council.
Speaker 4: For Nuclear Disarmament, the Saints and we you know, we
Speaker 4: have a bunch of different ones like that.
Speaker 3: This hasn't come out yet, but our.
Speaker 4: Dual Protection Collection and a lot of them are either
Speaker 4: religious ambula or guns, and it's more symbolic of anything.
Speaker 4: We're anti war, but you're not taking our guns while
Speaker 4: you're corrupting our government.
Speaker 3: That's just never going to happen.
Speaker 4: So we support all of these things that most liberals
Speaker 4: might not support these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ultra free for you.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: All these hats. You know we're going to be selling
Speaker 3: these hats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you fund the media? Had yet one? So
Speaker 2: you survived all of this, You made it to the
Speaker 2: other side. You're doing what seems to be really well. Now,
Speaker 2: do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4: I'll never make it in terms of what's important to me, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I want an Emmy that's cool, like I made it.
Speaker 3: I made it in that realm. I'm working on a
Speaker 3: book right now.
Speaker 4: I think that that will be a cool place for
Speaker 4: me to make it in a small way again in
Speaker 4: terms of what that all means in society.
Speaker 3: But I think that things are just changing so much.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they'll ever be an a moment
Speaker 4: where I sit there and say my more immature self
Speaker 4: might have said that, Like when my name was the
Speaker 4: Crossford Puzzles, I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I made it. Now if you put me in the
Speaker 3: New York Times, I want to run for my life.
Speaker 3: But no, no, and I don't care about making it.
Speaker 4: I just care about I just care about taking care
Speaker 4: of people, you know, more than anything.
Speaker 3: That's always been the thing that has filled.
Speaker 4: Me the most to be able when I lost all
Speaker 4: my money, that was what was the hardest thing for me,
Speaker 4: was to know that I wouldn't be able to help
Speaker 4: anybody out. So that, for me is the most important thing.
Speaker 4: Is I know a lot of people are going to
Speaker 4: need help moving forward and what's about to go down
Speaker 4: in society, and I need to be prepared to be
Speaker 4: able to lend a hand when it happens.
Speaker 2: That's really great. I really enjoyed that. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on and here with your best tip
Speaker 2: for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4: All the truth, pick up every rock in your path,
Speaker 4: don't look at headlines, and try to educate your friends
Speaker 4: gently ask questions. Ask them to ask questions or follow
Speaker 4: the truth. It's always follow the truth. And teach your
Speaker 4: children to follow the truth and to be free thinkers.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, kids are damned if they if
Speaker 4: they have if they have an opinion, there a future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely yeah. Good advice. She's Dre de Matteo. Check
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Speaker 2: much for coming, Andre, Thank you for having.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol marco
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