1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Ooh, Welcome in hour number two Clay 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,079 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck Knock feeling well, he'll be 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: the Tuesday after a Memorial Day weekend, and we have 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: been breaking down a lot. If you missed it earlier today, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: you never got any of the COVID shots for your 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: where you were going to school or where you worked, 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: school eligibility, you had to get a shot. And we 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: dive into with her. But Riley, let me take you 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: back in time with COVID for a minute before we 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: get into the craziness of the sports universe in terms 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: of men competing as women. You guys, you were a 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: about what you guys had to do during COVID, because 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is just getting totally 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: was it like even at UK? 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: You know, saying it out loud, now you almost forget 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: of it. COVID hit, of course, in March of twenty twenty, 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: which was the end of my sophomore year. Bar the 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which, 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: of course is the meat you work oh year, So 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: it's the meat you work all your life. For about 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: three days before we were supposed to leave, that meat 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: was very suddenly and swiftly canceled. We were sent home 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: for a few months. We eventually got to come back 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: to school, and upon returning, of course, it was the 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean, 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: told us me specifically, being that I was the team captain. 40 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: They told me I had to get the vaccine or 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: else I'd be hurting my team. But of course this 42 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: didn't sit right with me, right being young, being healthy, 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: I had already had COVID at that point, which, being 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: back on this and I said, no, I don't, to 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me? 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: And that is when they lost the plot. It was 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say. 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: They weren't given a script of what to say when 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: asked this question, and so that's when they responded back, well, 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well you 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: can take that and shove it, because I'm not getting 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year, 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me. 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: I had to go to testing every single week. They 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: made it at five am. To make it what they 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: described as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: mask in the weight room. We did have to wear 61 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: a mask in between laps when we got out of 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: the water on the pool deck. I mean we essentially 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: waterboarded ourselves every single day for the next two years. 64 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: You had to wear masks between laps in the pool. 65 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried everything. I mean, they thought of things like, well, 66 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: we'll have some people start on one of the end 67 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: of the pool, We'll have other people start on the 68 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: other end of the pool, will alternate lanes. I mean, 69 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: like I said, none of it made sense. Again, and 70 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine, right, which is 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: going to kill any sort of you know, germ or 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: whatever it is. So all of it, from top to 73 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: bottom was utterly ridiculous, and we all recognize it to 74 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: be true. But I will say people got the vaccine 75 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: out of convenience to make it easier for them to 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: be able to compete. I remember they sat me down 77 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: and they said, Riley, you know again, you're the team captain. 78 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: We have a big meat against University of Alabama, a 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: if you don't get the vaccines, to which again I 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: just I knew that was BS and so I said, 82 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: that's fine, I won't go then, And of course I 83 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: got to go to University of Alabama, and no, I 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: never got the vaccine, and. 85 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: I bet you're glad that you did. And let me 86 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: let me kind of build on this too, so many 87 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: young people. I think I started off the program talking 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: about the lies that were told about COVID, and I 89 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: think certainly the lies that were told about Biden. But 90 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: you mentioned something that I think is important. I know 91 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids' 92 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: grandkids may have happen to you out there listening as well. 93 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally. 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: You were around twenty, right in March of twenty twenty 95 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: when all this chaos started. Roughly, that's right, that's right. 96 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you had been sixteen instead, because 97 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: it sucked for you at twenty, but imagine that it 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: is March of twenty twenty. You are gearing up for 99 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country. Right now, 100 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: you're gearing up for your junior year prompt in prom season. 101 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: All that sixteen seventeen eighteen. I talk now to kids 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do too. 103 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: In many parts of the country, these kids went home 104 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty, as sixteen year olds, and 105 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: they basically didn't see the kids they went to high 106 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: school with in a big group again in many parts 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: of the country until they graduated and the next year 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: in June of whatever it would have been twenty twenty one, 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two some of these places. So you miss 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: your junior year, end of year, You miss everything that 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening, 112 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: think about how transformative usually you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year 113 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: old era is. It is not surprising to me that 114 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: there are so many kids out there that are angry 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: about what was taken from them. You're close to that 116 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: you hear that from kids today? 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: I hear that all the time, not only from my peers, 119 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: from my friends, from people I had classes with, but Clay, 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My 121 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: brother was about that sixteen year old age group during 122 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: the time of COVID in twenty twenty and he was 123 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: in the middle of its football season. They were on 124 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: pace to be state champions. He went to Donaldson Christian 125 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: Academy that all of that was taken from them. My 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: little sister, she was in middle school transitioning to high school. 127 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: I mean, it was horrible. My oldest sister, she graduated 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: college from Ole Miss in twenty twenty, so they had 129 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage, 130 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: so they called it virtually where everyone sat on zoom. 131 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: It was the craziest thing. And even now, again, let's 132 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: say four years post COVID era, the way the educational 133 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: realm has changed is I mean transformative. It is totally different. 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: My sister's high schoo experience again, she'll be a junior 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: next year in high school. Her experience now is totally 136 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: different than when I was in high school. Granted now 137 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: it's getting kind of up there, what eight or so 138 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: years ago, but even still totally totally different experience than 139 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: my younger sister has had compared to the experience that 140 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: I had in high school. 141 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly 142 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: broke in the direction of Trump in twenty twenty four. 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Young men in particular. You mentioned you have a brother. 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I've got three teenage boy, two teenage boys, one ten 145 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: year old. But I see it from all of them 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: that they're just fed up. They're angry, and I think 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told. 148 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent 149 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: out a truth post and said California, under the leadership 150 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition 152 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: male athlete at a major event one everything now qualified 153 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: to compete in the state finals next weekend as a male. 154 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: He was less than an average competitor as a female. 155 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: This transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair, 156 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: totally demeaning to women and girls. He then calls out 157 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the governor Newsom, who has said is unfair. He says, 158 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: I will speak with him today to find out which 159 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: way he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering 160 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person 161 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: to compete at the state finals. This is a totally 162 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: ridiculous situation. Can you believe years after you swam against 163 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas, now what three years ago, if I remember correctly, 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: that we are still in a position where, if anything, 165 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay, you know. 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: What, Clay, I truthfully imagined. I knew this, of course 167 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: would be an election issue, it would get us through 168 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: November of twenty twenty four. But I really believed that, 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: of course we would see this red wave, which we saw, 170 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: and I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin 171 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: to can't to distance themselves from their voting records, from 172 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: their positions. They've taken on totally outlandish, crazy stuff such 173 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: as men and women's sports, but that is not at 174 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: all what they have done. They have double, tripled, quadrupled 175 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: down on this insanity. Now. I love how Trump words that. 176 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: He is still plain in his language, of course, which 177 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: is another reason why I think specifically young people love him, 178 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: are drawn to him. He's so authentic. He says, as 179 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: a male, he was less than an average competitor, And 180 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: that's so true. That is virtually the case in every scenario, 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening, we 182 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: don't see it going the other way. It is virtually 183 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in 184 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: their own division, or maybe ranking in the bottom of 185 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: the barrel. Right, they switch over to the women's league, 186 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that system 187 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: may be at the state level in case and what 188 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: he's describing here in California, this boy by the name 189 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: of a Hernandez. Maybe I'm sure you remember Clay. About 190 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: a week or so ago, a video went viral of 191 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: this young girl who placed second at California her name 192 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: is Rhys Hogan in the triple jump. But it was 193 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: only after everyone exited the podium, with the man, of course, 194 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: standing atop the podium where she jumps on the first 195 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: place podium. And I thought that was the most remarkably 196 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: brave display that really we've seen thus far. I mean, 197 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: we've seen some pretty awesome things, right Like I think 198 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who 199 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: boycotted and shot put, which al Kick was the first 200 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: to report on. By the way, I think of several 201 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: instances of girls boycotting, But this, I thought was really 202 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man 203 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: atop the podium was a total fraud and everyone recognizes it. 204 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: You got into it with Jammel Hill a little bit 205 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: over the weekend. Jammel Hill is a crazy person who 206 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: used to work at ESPN. She kind of the female 207 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: version maybe of Keith Olberman, who you've also gotten into 208 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: it over with I just three years ago. If only 209 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: women had swim in your NCAA championship, where do you 210 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: think you'd be? 211 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: Well, my plan what I was post graduating from University 212 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: of Kentucky. I was in dental school, actually set to 213 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: specialize in indodonics, so root canals. Basically, that's what I 214 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: had planned. That's what I was set to do. That's 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: what I prepared to do. I scored in the top 216 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test, 217 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: the test to get into dental school. I had been 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to 219 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: continue my education in dentistry. So that was certainly the plan. 220 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: I had married my husband. Our life would look a 221 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: whole lot different had that man that's six foot four again, 222 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: as President Trump wards, that mediocre men not been in 223 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: the pool with us, in the locker room with us 224 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: that day. 225 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: So I think this, this is so, this is so 226 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: important because you get attacked I think unfairly, and I'm 227 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: sure on a level that you never would have ever 228 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: anticipated for just being a woman who believes women's sports 229 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: should be made up of women. And I love when 230 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: I see your tweets JK. Rowling just fearlessness, because this 231 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: is not a complicated issue. But the only reason you 232 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: have ended up doing what you are doing is because 233 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: one you're fearless, but two you dealt with this directly 234 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: and you never want any other girls or women to 235 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: ever have to deal with this either, and yet you 236 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: get attacked for that. I just think it's really important 237 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: to hammer home that's it. 238 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: That's it, the stance that I've taken. Of course, I've 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: been painted to be this super radical, crazy right wing christer, 240 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: as Jamel Hill would call it, But I mean I 241 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: still live my daily life like with my husband, with 242 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: my family, with my animals and my dogs, we live 243 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: on a flower farm, like I'm still me. The only 244 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: I guess radical position that I've taken is that men 245 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: cannot become women, and that there are two sexes and 246 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, of privacy 247 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: and of safety. But several times now, of course, yuh, 248 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: he's overman. I genuinely think this man is like needs 249 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's 250 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: stable like we should be doing like welfare checks on 251 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: him every I agree on November fifth. But you've got 252 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: Jamel Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now 253 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: over the past few years that I need to thank 254 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: Leah Thomas every single day of the rest of my 255 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: life for getting me famous. Again, reminder, I did not 256 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: ask for this. I did not want this. I simply 257 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: took a position that ninety nine one percent really of 258 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: common sense people have taken. And I would say ninety 259 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: to ninety five percent of every day common sense Americans 260 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: who I mean, it's a position they take too, but 261 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: they just weren't willing to say it three years ago. 262 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: Now you compare that to twenty twenty five, and the 263 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: landscape has shifted, right, people of course, becoming more bold, 264 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true. 265 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: And with that the response that we see from the left, 266 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: from the other side, people who don't have common sense, 267 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: people who vehemently hate women, people like Jammel Hill, former 268 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: ESPN hosts. Of course, that is to increase as well. 269 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: So I say, bring it on. You know, lots of 270 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: things that bother me, that scare me. But Jammel Hill 271 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: and her professional race bidding, certainly is it one of them. 272 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: I love the easy question of and I've used this 273 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: and I think it just really I would encourage you 274 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: guys to deploy it in your own life. People attack 275 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think 276 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's 277 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: my opinion, that's your opinion, that's the opinion of a 278 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't 279 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left 280 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the 281 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: issue is, of course. 282 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: And it's because I believe deep down they don't think 283 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: it's either right, these democrats, whether it's it's these elected officials, 284 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: people in Congress, whether it is people like Jammel Hill, 285 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: these especially actually people like Jammel Hill. Sports reporters who Underston, 286 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports 287 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: for decades, for years. Of course, they don't believe that 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities. 289 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: Of course they don't believe that. But for some reason, 290 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: it has just been this Hill that they are willing 291 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling. 292 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the fear of the raft 293 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: from the other side. I don't know if they're they're 294 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: so bought into like this oppression Olympics that they that 295 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: they're willing to proclaim it subtly right. But you're right 296 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: people like Jammel Hill. I asked her the other day, 297 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: you know, great to hear from you. This is the 298 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: stance that I've taken. Would love an answer from you. 299 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: You know, you're a self proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How 300 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: do you feel about men competing in women's sports? And 301 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: I followed it up by saying, silence is an answer 302 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: to which, of course, she did not answer the question, 303 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: so that makes it very clear to me where she 304 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: stands on this. 305 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: Riley, Happy, belated Memorial Day weekend, Keep up the fight 306 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out 307 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: there to follow Riley. You can see her shows many 308 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: different places, including OutKick see here on Fox News all 309 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: over the place. Riley, good stuff. 310 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: And you and by the way, congratulations on your book. 311 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: Super awesome endorsement. Very very excited for you. 312 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. That is Riley Gaines. Encourage you to follow her. 313 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: We'll share all the contact if you're not already following her. 314 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: And yes, you mentioned got a new book coming out 315 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: and President Trump endorsed it. I'll read you that endorsement 316 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: over the weekend. Over the weekend he endorsed it. I'll 317 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: read it for you here in a little bit. 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We are joined now by a man 353 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: who had a major announcement part of it that had 354 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: a major announcement breaking down the absolute latest on the 355 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: COVID shot. Doctor Marty McCarey, FDA Commissioner. He's author of 356 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: blind Spots, When Medicine gets it Wrong and what it 357 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: means for our health. We had him on this program 358 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: quite a lot during the COVID era. He is fantastic. Congrats. 359 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember if we've had you on since you 360 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: were officially confirmed, but congrats on becoming FDA commissioner, doctor McCarey. 361 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: And what can you tell us about what you guys 362 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: just announced this morning? We played the audio, but what 363 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: exactly should people out there know about kids and pregnant 364 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: women when it comes to the COVID shot. 365 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good 366 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: to be back on your show. 367 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and 368 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: common sense. And we've got a dilemma in this country, 369 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: and that is the government keeps pushing every year that 370 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 4: every healthy young world needs a shot every year for 371 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 4: the rest of their life. And the regulatory process has 372 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical 373 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: data needs to be submitted each year for the actiator 374 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: rubber stamped these COVID shots for young, healthy people, and 375 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 4: so we're bringing back science to the process. We are 376 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: saying that in order for this shot to be approved 377 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 4: by the FDA in healthy people, we need to see 378 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 4: some clinical trial data to support that it works and 379 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: that it's safe and effective. We can't just blindly rubber 380 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: stamp these applications each year in perpetuity. 381 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: Forever there was a theory. 382 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 4: That people could benefit from these shots each year, the 383 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: theory is unproven. We'd like to see some scientific support. 384 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things 385 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: like our patients is wearing thin and that we were 386 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: going to have a winter of death, will there ever 387 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: really be any consequences. I know Joe Biden's no longer president, 388 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: but for people out there who felt pressured because of 389 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it. 390 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: I know probably you still are. I know a lot 391 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: of our audiences. Is this to you. The things that 392 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: are happening now a form of sort of resolution and 393 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: restitution for people out there who feel like they were 394 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: led astray. 395 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been 396 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: lied to about some of the issues around COVID and 397 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 4: the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids 398 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: who are completely healthy. And so when you look at 399 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living 400 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: on an island disconnected from most of the American public. 401 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to 402 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 4: that disconnect, like eighty five percent of healthcare workers did 403 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 4: not get the COVID booster last season. 404 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: So on one. 405 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 4: Hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and 406 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: insisting that everybody gets a booster every year for the 407 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy, and 408 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: a public that has basically moved on and said, no, 409 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: thank you, we don't really. 410 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: Trust you as much anymore. 411 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 4: If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've 412 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: really gone down the toilet. The amount of the percent 413 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 4: of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from seventy 414 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: one percent just before COVID to forty percent last year. 415 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: That's a gigantic thirty one point drop. And it's because 416 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: the worst thing you can do in the field of 417 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 4: medicine is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism 418 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 4: when the data just is not there to support it. 419 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: It's an idea, it's a theory. 420 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you have the role they you 421 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: do now because you were right on so much and 422 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: you were willing to take the slings and arrows that 423 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: came with it. So was doctor bardacharias so was RFK Junior. 424 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial Board, 425 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: to Buck's Show, to this show for places out there 426 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: that we're willing to have these conversations. How much personal 427 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: validation now do you take for something that I'm sure 428 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you unrelenting 429 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: criticism to be in the position that you are in 430 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: now alongside of doctor Bodicharia, who was very outspoken at 431 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of 432 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: personal consequences, and certainly RFK Junior, now the three of 433 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: you who made this announcement today, how much personal vindication 434 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: do you feel and how much do you think you're 435 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas people like the 436 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's 437 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: the very basis of science itself. This world that we 438 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: ended up in where I'm the expert. You aren't allowed 439 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: to challenge doctor. You're saying I am the science. It's 440 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: actually the antithesis of everything that science, in many ways 441 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: should represent. 442 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians 443 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: from respective academic institutions that simply disagreed with doctor Fauci 444 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: or asked questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations. 445 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and 446 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: I hope we never go back there. We're doing a 447 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now. 448 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: I hope we can rebuild. 449 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 4: Trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating. 450 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: On ideas. At the FDA, we're doing a lot. 451 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 4: Now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas 452 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: to debate how we can do things differently, how we 453 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink 454 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: our food supply. 455 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: But to some. 456 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: Degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like. 457 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: We lost in some of the. 458 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: Battles that we fought during COVID. In the Biden administration, 459 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 4: we fought like crazy to get the schools back open, 460 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: and it was very divided. It was very polarizing and 461 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: for some crazy reason that fell along partisan lines. 462 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: It shouldn't have. 463 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: And we fought like crazy for the kids, and for 464 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: the most part, we were not able to get the 465 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: schools back open during most of that, you know, after 466 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 4: the fall of twenty twenty, for the next for almost 467 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 4: a year after that. 468 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 3: So it's a sad chapter. 469 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 4: You know, kids are still reeling back and they're trying 470 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: to recover. We have to, you know, almost rescue these 471 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: kids now and give them special attention because of the 472 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: learning loss. And I think the greatest untold story of 473 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 4: the COVID battles was that the populations hurt the worst 474 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 4: were the poor and minority communities in the United States. 475 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 4: I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins and an 476 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 4: East bolts More. I mean, you close those schools and 477 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: send the kids. 478 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: Home with an iPad. 479 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 4: It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy, 480 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: and those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided 481 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 4: COVID policies. So we're trying to rebuild public trust. Secretary 482 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: Kennedy's got a great vision. Jay Bodichari is doing it. 483 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: Amendment OZ is a trans transformational leader at CMS, and 484 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus 485 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: on our mission of delivering more cures for the American 486 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 4: public and healthier food for children. 487 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: What do you think, having been through these battles, you 488 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: just hammered And I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly, 489 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: is the fact that the poorest among us the public 490 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: school kids. I was public school kid K twelve. A 491 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: lot of them left and didn't come back to school 492 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: for over a year. In physical person, these are the 493 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors, 494 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to go to private school like 495 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's kids do. When you hear Randy Weingarten now 496 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: say that she was working super hard to try to 497 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: reopen schools, what's your reaction. 498 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 4: Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the 499 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 4: CDC to make it stricter, and those edits were incorporated 500 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: in the final version that was published by the Biden 501 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 4: administration and the CDC. And that was tragic because you 502 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: did not have a scientific document. You had a document 503 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: that was interfered with by a special interest group at 504 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: the expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons 505 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 4: we should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest 506 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 4: lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and 507 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: do their job. 508 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: The announcement again today. You came on this show for years, 509 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: and I want to give you credit. I mean, my 510 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get 511 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: the COVID shot based on the data, and we talked 512 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it 513 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: was going to have. It's been five years and I 514 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: know for many people out there it feel still like 515 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public 516 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: trust in health to return to where it was pre COVID. 517 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: I think we have to be successful as a new 518 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent. 519 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: I think we have to address the big issues of 520 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 4: our day that we are not talking about. You know, 521 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 4: COVID was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling 522 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 4: class in America create rules for themselves that benefit it themselves. 523 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 4: They could send their kids to private schools, The country 524 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: clubs were booming throughout COVID. 525 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: They for a lot of the zoomocracy in America. 526 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: They were going to work now and their pajamas on 527 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: video conferencing come to Inner City Baltimore. It was an 528 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: entirely different story, and you saw sort of the tyranny 529 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: of the ruling class right rules for themselves. And it's 530 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: not just with COVID, it is also with the great 531 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 4: public health issues of our day. Why do forty percent 532 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 4: of American kids have a chronic disease? If you think 533 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this 534 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick. 535 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 4: We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of 536 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that 537 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report 538 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: that came out a week ago. That is a fresh 539 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: new perspective because we can't just keep talking about financing 540 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 4: our broken healthcare system. We have to talk about fixing it, 541 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 4: and to fix it, we have to get at these 542 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 4: root causes. So we're changing the conversation from just talking 543 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 4: about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures 544 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: and the food we eat and school lunch programs. You're 545 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: seeing action on the snap waivers by the USDA so 546 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: that the government dollars aren't going to all this sugary 547 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: junk food. In the SNAP program, you're seeing some movement 548 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: we've never seen before. So to rebuild public trust, in 549 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at 550 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: actually making progress on improving the health of the population 551 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 4: by addressing these root causes. 552 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: Last question for you, when you are out traveling and 553 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: we're talking doctor Martin McCarey, the FDA commissioner. His book 554 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: is I want to make sure that I get this right. 555 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: The most recent book is Ali texts me that again, 556 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: I'll get it before we leave blind spots. When you 557 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: still see people wearing masks going on airplanes, when you 558 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: still see kids, sometimes I can't believe this is happening, 559 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: still wearing masks. What do you think? 560 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: Well, part of me thinks, I don't know what their 561 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: personal clinical situation is. But the other part of me 562 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy, 563 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 4: who has been misled and given a false sense of 564 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: security that if they do this one mitigation step, that 565 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 4: somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world. 566 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 4: Which remember, for a lot of COVID there was actually 567 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that 568 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 4: we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody, 569 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 4: I think, I don't blame them, I blame the people 570 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: who have given them the impression that if you wear 571 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: a mask in public every day for the rest of 572 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: your life, as a young, healthy person, you're going to 573 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: somehow live a healthier, greater life. 574 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: Kids have been had their face covered. 575 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 4: For nearly three years over some of this dogma in 576 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 4: parts of the country, and the kids are sad. 577 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 3: I mean the kids. There's one in. 578 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 4: Four teen girls is being treated for depression. And so 579 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: there are statistics that tell us we've got to not 580 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 4: just have a myopic myopic folk folks on viral transmission 581 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a. 582 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: Living, beautiful, as human being. And that's where I hope 583 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: we can go. 584 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Marty McCarey. Congratulations FDA Commissioner. The book Blind Spots, 585 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: When Medicine gets it wrong and what it means for 586 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: our health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID, 587 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: and thank you for fighting so hard for a still 588 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: big announcement today. Appreciate the time. 589 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: Good to be with you. 590 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: Thanks Kay doctor Marty McCay one of the heroes, along 591 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: with doctor Bodicharia. I hope that when history is written 592 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: of the COVID era, that guys like him, and guys 593 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: like doctor Bodicharia and many others who were willing to 594 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti science, 595 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: that their stories are a true story of heroism in 596 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: the face of great deal of tax. We'll talk about 597 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: some of that when we come back. But look, you 598 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: heard the great news on prescription drug prices earlier this month. 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There, 617 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: take a couple of your calls here in a moment. 618 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, Crocket Coffee. If you want 619 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: to get hooked up right now, Crocketcoffee dot com, go 620 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: subscribe use Code Book, and you get an autograph copy 621 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: of the book that I came out with a couple 622 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: of years ago. When we come back. President Trump has 623 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: endorsed the new book I just finished, which is going 624 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: to be out on the one year anniversary of the 625 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election, so in November, and I'll tell 626 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: you what he said over the weekend. 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You may be 635 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: missing out otherwise on being able to listen on your 636 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: normal stations as you travel. Boom, you can go into 637 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: the podcast network and you'll find a ton of new 638 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: podcast hosts in there that we have helped to turn 639 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: into a good audience for them as well. Mike and Nebraska, 640 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: what you got for us? 641 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 5: Mike, Hey Clay, he told me to jump right in. 642 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 5: So the COVID mask is nothing but virtue signaling. It 643 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: is the red maga hat of the left. 644 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: I agree with you, thank you for the call. In 645 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: many ways, here's where I actually feel sad for those people. 646 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel sad if somebody's got a kid with 647 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: making a political slogan on them or whatever. I feel 648 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: really bad when I see people with kids traveling, and 649 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: unfortunately I still see it in masks because I think 650 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: to myself, that poor kid, I mean, their parent has 651 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on. They think that they are 652 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: listening to the experts, and really one of the most 653 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: important things that young kids can do is see mouths move. 654 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: When it comes to learning how to speak, they're huge 655 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: speech impediment issues that have become rampant. Melissa in San Antonio, 656 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: got to get you in quick here. 657 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: Hi. 658 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 6: Yes, there's so much investigation going on on both sides, 659 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 6: But at what point do we finally go you know what, 660 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 6: nobody's going to be held accountable, nothing's going to be done. Yes, 661 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 6: you can deal with it at the ballot box. But 662 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 6: if it applies to me and I would go. 663 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: To jail, why aren't other. 664 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 6: People going to jail? 665 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: Great question. We've talked about that with Rand Paul will 666 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: continue to talk about it with him. He says, Fauci 667 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: is going to be held accountable in some way. Talk 668 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: about that more when we come back.