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Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc. All right before we get rolling here,

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Speaker 1: because we do have a lot to come on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Underground. Yes we do, Danny, what you're

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Speaker 1: looking at me with a sort of it with surprise?

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Speaker 1: You look at me, askance over there. It has come

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Speaker 1: to our attention. Then an expense report has been filed

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Speaker 1: dot dot dot. As everyone looks at each other, Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban although still looking at his phone sor right, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing notes for this fine podcast. A rogue receipt has

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Speaker 1: been submitted from a dive bar in Scottsdale on a

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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon in early April. And the culprit thinks that

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Speaker 1: That just a dive bar receipt from a Saturday afternoon

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Speaker 1: in Scottsdale, that somehow is just going to be automatically approved.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who has the wherewithal to think that they

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Speaker 1: dive bar. Who was that you, Darren? I wish it

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Speaker 1: were me. What do you mean? I thought I saw

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Speaker 1: the Internet. There, Paul, I can do that all based

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Speaker 1: on what I saw on social media. Well, now I've

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Speaker 1: been exposed. Apparently there was no rogue receipt whatsoever, just

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Speaker 1: sort of my entry point on this edition of Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: i'd asked, Darren, you know exactly, you know how how

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Speaker 1: he thought he'd get away with putting seventeen beers on

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Speaker 1: a on a receipt on Could you drink seventeen beers? Me?

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Speaker 1: Hell no, he was he was buying for all his

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Speaker 1: friends over there. I don't do beer, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I mean I will drink beer, but not not in

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Speaker 1: large quantities. Paulli pale ale peanut butter whiskey. Now, I

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Speaker 1: was at at that coach House dive bar about six

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Speaker 1: power meeting there during happy hour at the Yes. So

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Speaker 1: that was Drew as the bartender. His dad played fourteen

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Speaker 1: of baseball and so uh and by the way, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I did no idea. I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: It was that popular that when some of the recommendations

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Speaker 1: it was Clue Haywood, Twitter God. Clue Haywood made sure

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Speaker 1: that that came across. And he has spent more than

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Speaker 1: And I had a friend once tell me, after I

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Speaker 1: the winner at Golden Tea, right based on the Twitter account. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's sort of like, um like when

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Speaker 1: I will hold my own. I'll be a good teammate,

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Speaker 1: but he's just a guy. I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: get a little really defensive on this, Darren. It's the

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Speaker 1: my segue on this. April started much better than March started.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys realize that there was a global strategist.

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Speaker 1: start talking football. Then, at the beginning of March, because

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Speaker 1: it won't matter. This is depressing all of a sudden, Paul.

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Speaker 1: there's a much more important contract you wanted Kyler might

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Speaker 1: I gotta I got a blazing hot take coming later.

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Speaker 1: I mean, hotter than the air fier that Danny set

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Speaker 1: that a little bit Laterbody's been listening to conversations. But

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Speaker 1: Steven Anderson has signed on the line that has dotted

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Speaker 1: Steven Anderson joining the tight end room? Darren Well, uh

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Speaker 1: And due respect to alex Ellis, I believe that's his name.

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Speaker 1: on the open market and the edge rusher is an

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Speaker 1: easy one to do, it's gonna cost you a ton

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Speaker 1: of money. So if you can get a guy in

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Speaker 1: the first round in a five year contract or four

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Speaker 1: in an option, that's what you want to do. If

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Speaker 1: you want if you get a premier cornerback with four

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Speaker 1: in an option, that's what you want to do. Whereas

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Speaker 1: you might be able to find a replacement receiver, especially

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Speaker 1: a number two receiver on free agency paying less. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a couple receivers that have paid a little

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Speaker 1: bit more in free agency, but those are number one guys,

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Speaker 1: and can you get a number two? I mean not

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Speaker 1: if your number two is are going to start being

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Speaker 1: paid like Christian Kirk, but I'm assuming the Jaguars are

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Speaker 1: seeing his a number one, because they're certainly paying him

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Speaker 1: a number one. So it's it's gonna be fascinating to

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Speaker 1: see playout. And you're right, if the most important thing

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Speaker 1: in the NFL everybody now is the quarterback, and then

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00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: the next most important thing is getting to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You're right, the salaries are starting to reflect that. And

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Speaker 1: we have the Draft Primer video edition coming out here

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Speaker 1: soon and one for the offense, one for the defense.

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Speaker 1: We got a panel going, we're in studio, everybody's got

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Speaker 1: the pancake makeup on. We're gonna be breaking it down.

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Speaker 1: But did we not make the point, as Danny raises

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Speaker 1: her hand, did we not make the point that t J.

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Speaker 1: Watt is getting twenty eight million a year, Joey Bosa

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Speaker 1: is getting twenty seven million a year. And then to

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Speaker 1: your point, the free agents hit the market and thirty

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Speaker 1: two year old chandlers Er Jones gets between seventeen and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Von Miller, thirty three, gets between seventeen and eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: So it is insanely expensive for these premier pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: and it does make a lot of sense obviously to

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Speaker 1: get them on a rookie contract. And if you can

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Speaker 1: get them in the first round and get that fifth year,

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Speaker 1: all the better. Plus I'll throw this out there, how

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Speaker 1: often have we talked about getting that receiver in round two?

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Speaker 1: I think of all the game breaking receivers that have

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Speaker 1: been had in round two recently, Danny, should I name

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Speaker 1: some names? What do you think I wish you would?

464
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Speaker 1: Davante Adams, him, Deebo, Samuel A. J. Brown. Think about that,

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Speaker 1: arguably three of the top five receivers in the game

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Speaker 1: right now. And Cooper Cup you would throw him in.

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Speaker 1: There is a round three guy, Jarvis Landry was round

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Speaker 1: two once upon a time, Michael Thomas Round two, Chase

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Speaker 1: Claypool round two, Michael Pittman junior who's still emerging for

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Speaker 1: the Colts a recent round two. I mean, and then

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Speaker 1: you go back a little bit of Jordy Nelson, an

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Speaker 1: Quon Bolden, right, I've heard of him, a Juju Smith

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Speaker 1: Schuster all round two. So it's one of the deeper

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Speaker 1: positions these days, yearning year out in the draft, especially

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Speaker 1: as opposed to pass rusher, although this year is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be one of the deeper classes of pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah so that he likes twenty of them twenty,

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Speaker 1: Now what does he mean by likes like day two

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Speaker 1: and I mean day one and day two. He's thinking

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Speaker 1: there's twenty pass rushers coming off the board. No, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a great point in terms of the depth

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Speaker 1: and especially talking about wide receivers or pass rushers. And

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Speaker 1: that's what becomes really interesting as you work your way

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Speaker 1: through the draft, is there's going to be good wide

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Speaker 1: receivers available at twenty three. So if you like enough

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Speaker 1: wide receivers that you really feel are going to be

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Speaker 1: available rounds two or three, it becomes the difference of

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Speaker 1: philosophy of best player available drafting for need, how do

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Speaker 1: those intertwine together and who might last longer to the

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Speaker 1: next spot. The Daniel Jeremiah tweet was a day ago.

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Speaker 1: Spent the morning Daniel Jeremiah, the top NFL draft expert

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Speaker 1: at NFL Network nfl dot Com, spent the morning organizing

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Speaker 1: my sequence list for this draft. I love the top

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Speaker 1: twenty edge rushers. Yeah, us twenty Wow, love baby love.

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Speaker 1: Great to hear love is in the air. No, you're

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Speaker 1: making me think of the Giants GM. It was just

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Speaker 1: fired talking about Daniel Jones. Um Gettleman. Dave Gettleman. Remember

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Speaker 1: he professed his love quote unquote openly for Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: after the draft, after he was taking five picks after

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, and everybody was uncomfortable, even more so now

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Speaker 1: seeing what Danny has happened with Danny Dimes. But let's

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Speaker 1: you thought you were going to say, with Daniel over here,

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Speaker 1: Danny Dimes, I said, not Danny serect Come on, now,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we talk about this whole you know,

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Speaker 1: ability to find a receiver in round two. So when

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Speaker 1: you see the reports that are out there that Brandon

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Speaker 1: Cooks is available and that the Texans are looking for

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Speaker 1: a round two pick for Brandon Cooks, well, of course

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Speaker 1: they are. He's been on like seven different teams, right,

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Speaker 1: He's twenty eight, twenty nine years of age. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be a free agent after this coming season. Of

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Speaker 1: course they're looking to move Brandon Cooks. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to be a playoff team anytime soon. But then when

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Speaker 1: you start getting all these these tweets and you get

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Speaker 1: people suggesting the Cardinals should give up their round two

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Speaker 1: pick for Brandon Cooks, Nope, oh not even close. Go

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Speaker 1: after one of these guys hit on a receiver in

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Speaker 1: round two, a rookie who's gonna well, and again I understand,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, I know it's the known

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Speaker 1: versus the unknown, But a Brandon Cooks, I'll be at

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Speaker 1: a nice receiver is he really going to be the

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Speaker 1: difference maker and getting the Cardinals through a playoff? And

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be a free agent next okay,

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Speaker 1: you're getting up a pick for one year and then

525
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay the guy. Ye. So that's

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Speaker 1: just my own little rant when I see that out there,

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Speaker 1: and I think of that when I think of us

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Speaker 1: talking about whether you're going pass rusher or receiver in

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Speaker 1: round one or round two. And by the way, if

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Speaker 1: they do go receiver, let's say they go with one

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Speaker 1: of the Rose receivers in round one, then I've got

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Speaker 1: a guy in round two, a nedge rusher that I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone really talk out in relation to the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals out Oklahoma, Nick Benito. Have you heard Nick

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Speaker 1: Benito connected to the Arizona Cardinals at all? Yes, he

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Speaker 1: was the Cardinals pick in the second round in the

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Speaker 1: most recent Todd mcshade draft. Oh interesting, And in fact

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Speaker 1: I picked him at least once or twice when I

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Speaker 1: was messing around with a Pro Football Focus draft simulator. Well,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't always there in round two. And again that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The Cardinals are picking what fifty five, fifty

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Speaker 1: four I forgot one. Yeah, I don't have the exact

543
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Speaker 1: one in front of me where they are. I will

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Speaker 1: say this that if you look at his Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus grades pass rush grades, here's one stat since twenty nineteen,

546
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Speaker 1: albeit the last three years by a Power five edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: The highest graded player in the last three years, Nick Benito,

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Speaker 1: Second highest, Aiden Hutchinson, who easily could be the number

549
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Speaker 1: One pick in the draft. You look at his Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus pass rush grade, and here's the stat that

551
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Speaker 1: I ripped off NFL dot Com and NFL Network highest

552
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Speaker 1: career pass rush grade Pro Football Focus since twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Power five edge defenders number one, Chase Young, number two,

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett number four, and five the Bossa Brothers number three,

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Speaker 1: Nick Benito. See. The first thing I think of, though,

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Speaker 1: is like, then, why is he not thought of as

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Speaker 1: a first round pick? Apparently he's a little light in

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Speaker 1: the pants, as they like to say. He's two hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty eight pounds. That's on a good day. He

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Speaker 1: showed up as a true freshman at two oh five

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. Ridiculous athleticism, but he's like but may not

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Speaker 1: have the frame to keep it on. And then the

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Speaker 1: other question becomes didn't his sack total wasn't His grades

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Speaker 1: might be good, but I feel like his sack totals weren't.

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Speaker 1: Like true, he had seven last year he had fifteen

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Speaker 1: tackles for loss, but he had seven sacks, which seems

567
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Speaker 1: a little low for a but he ran a five

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Speaker 1: four forty at the combine. Don't be falling in love

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Speaker 1: with those numbers. Come on, Paul, you've done this longer.

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Speaker 1: Watch the tape. Did he pressure the quarterback? Who cares

571
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Speaker 1: what he ran in the Indianapolis. I'm just saying mine

572
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Speaker 1: that it's there seems to be this. There seems to

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Speaker 1: be this mindset correct me if I'm wrong. There seems

574
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Speaker 1: to be this mindset, almost a group think out there

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Speaker 1: that if you don't get one of those top four

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Speaker 1: or five edge rushers in round one, oh my Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are host there's nobody left. Oh, you can't feel that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I never want you to feel like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't correct you if you were wrong. I feel

580
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Speaker 1: like I haven't would. I don't want you to be

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Speaker 1: fearing that because it felt like you were a little

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Speaker 1: scared that I might not. It's a weekly event. Um, No, Look,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much that they're screwed if you don't

584
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Speaker 1: get one of those. It's just you feel like you

585
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Speaker 1: feel like your odds are less because it becomes more

586
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: of a crapshoot. Now I can argue, and we can

587
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: go back over the years that it still can be

588
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: a crapshoot even early in the draft process. The one

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Speaker 1: that's jumping into my head right now is Dion Jordan,

590
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the former Valley kid who went to Oregon and the

591
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: Dolphins took a number three over all. He ended up

592
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: not doing anything. That's just the first one that pops

593
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: into my head. But everybody thought he was going to

594
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Speaker 1: be this great edge rusher and that didn't come to pass.

595
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: So it doesn't necessarily sell you on anything. But it's

596
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Speaker 1: the same thing with every other guy that the quarterback thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not a lock if you take a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the top ten, even if you think he's a top

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Speaker 1: ten pick, that he's going to pan out, because we've

600
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: seen plenty of instances where that doesn't work out. But

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Speaker 1: your chances of having that if you're picking a guy

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Speaker 1: in the top ten work out as a franchise quarterback,

603
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Speaker 1: is way better than if you pick him in the

604
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Speaker 1: fourth round, because unless you're Dak Prescott. But see again,

605
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Speaker 1: that's like, that's like saying Tom Brady was a six

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Speaker 1: round pick. Come on, for those listening, I feel like

607
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: we should recap Cardinals right now. Have eight picks. They've

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Speaker 1: got number twenty three in the first round. Then they've

609
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Speaker 1: got fifty five and five did They've got eighty seven

610
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Speaker 1: in the third, nothing in the fourth, nothing in the fifth.

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Speaker 1: They've got picked two O one and two fifteen and

612
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Speaker 1: the sixth, and then three in the seventh, two forty four,

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Speaker 1: two fifty six, two fifty seven. You know what I

614
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Speaker 1: think I want to hear that, Danny. I don't is

615
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: a long day Saturday with all those picks coming late

616
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Speaker 1: in the draft. As of now, all you would do

617
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: is want to go home and you're gonna have to

618
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Speaker 1: do conference calls. Oh boy, five teleconference calls you're gonna

619
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Speaker 1: have on that Saturday. Boy, you visit that bad of

620
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Speaker 1: a number. But I wish three of them were in

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Speaker 1: the you know, fifth round or fourth round. I see

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Speaker 1: that's right, You're right. It's all two in the sixth,

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Speaker 1: three and the seventh. Yeah, you know what, you know what, Darren,

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Speaker 1: you know what you need right now? You need a

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Speaker 1: hot take. I got you, I got your back right now,

626
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: need a hot take over here. In fact, it's even

627
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Speaker 1: better because I is this has something to do with

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Speaker 1: Ripped it Off? In part it was inspired by shall

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Speaker 1: I say your mailbag? Here was the question, Hey, Darren,

630
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Speaker 1: I will be interested to hear your thoughts on the

631
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Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario trading Kyler Murray for her whatever max trade

632
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: some team would give up for him, and then acquiring

633
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. There it is, there, it is. That's where

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Speaker 1: this whole offseason has been trending. That's where they are

635
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Speaker 1: going with this offseason. That is illuminating, is it not.

636
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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals are tracking and trending towards the mega

637
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Mondo Thursday Night, April twenty eighth, round one mega trade

638
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: that sends Kyler Murray out of the organization for an

639
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: unbelievable haul of picks and players and then off the street,

640
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: costing the Cardinals nothing. They resigned Cliff Kingsbury's former quarterback

641
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech. Baker Mayfield comes to the desert and

642
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: pilots this offense like he did once upon a time.

643
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: The Cardinals cash in all the rest of those picks

644
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: and players they got for Kyler Murray. And that's the

645
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: big red reset button hit on draft night. Paul, You're crazy,

646
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: no way. It's called a hot take for a reason, Dar,

647
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: Darr and Danny can't. I'm so flustered right now by

648
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: my own hot take. That doesn't make any sense any

649
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: So what would they do? They just have Baker and

650
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: then and then what are you drafting a quarterback? The

651
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: Baker's your quarterback, He's he's your franchise quarterback. Cliff Kingsbury

652
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: believes in Baker. He had Baker. You're not going to

653
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: make him prove it. Wait wait, whoa whoa, whoa whoa

654
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: whoa What did you just say? Cliff Kingsbury believes in Baker. Well, albeit,

655
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: I'll be a year right that, thank you. That takes

656
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: a little explanation. Thank you takes some explanation, and in fact,

657
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I refresh my memory on this. Let me see if

658
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: I can recap this accordingly on the Cliff Kingsbury Baker

659
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: Mayfield dynamic. Yes, the year was twenty thirteen. I'm not

660
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: sure about the year. Bo Baker was a walk on.

661
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: He started the first two thirds of the game, remember

662
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: though he was a recruit from the former head coach

663
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: whose name escape Tommy Tubberville. He was a Tuberville recruit.

664
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury came in year one, twenty thirteen. Baker was

665
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: his starter, came out of nowhere as a walk on,

666
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: and and he was really good as a true freshman

667
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: or whatever he was at the time. Then he got hurt,

668
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: an ankle injury. He went out, and in came Davis Webb,

669
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: who was the big acclaimed recruit by Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff's

670
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: guy correct Davis's Webb who was on scholarship. Obviously Baker

671
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Mayfield wasn't even on scholarship. And so then when Baker

672
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: got healthy, he did not go back in. Despite the

673
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: fact when Baker got hurt, the Red Raiders were five

674
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: and oh six and oz and they had gone on

675
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: a skid. Now the schedule had gotten much tougher because

676
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: there was conference play. But Davis Webb and Baker never

677
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: got back in. And then in the off season, this

678
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: was the rub, the crux of it all. Baker did

679
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: not even get a scholarship. And at that point Baker said,

680
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: I am so out of here. No scholarship, I was

681
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback and won five or six games, lost

682
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: a job because of injury, never got it back, never

683
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: got a chance to reprove myself. Now, both guys, if

684
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: you read a lot of the stories since, and there

685
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: have been many stories written, both have acknowledged, Yeah, I

686
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: could have handled it better. I could have handled it better.

687
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: We've talked in private, We've hashed this out. We're in

688
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: a good place right now. That's Cliff Kingsbury and Baker Mayfield,

689
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: at least in the media. Fun fact, Davis Webb ended

690
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: up getting hurt and also losing his job and never

691
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: getting it back, and he went to CAW and then

692
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: from there he went to the Giants just to let

693
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes though, and then and so now you

694
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: understand why there was the epic two sixteen game where

695
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma came to Lubbock. I feel like we're getting a

696
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: little off. I'm just saying. And Baker Mayfield through four

697
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: seven touchdowns and Patrick Mahomes through for seven hundred thirty

698
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: five yards in that game, and Tech lost to Oklahoma

699
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: sixty six fifty nine. As you can tell, I just

700
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: went through these articles and I'm now recounting this just

701
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. Otherwise that have no clue,

702
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: but that to me, I understand telling a story, but

703
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: that to me is like enough has passed, you know,

704
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: to make that decision. My question is maybe not necessarily

705
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: for you ball, Paul, but for people who are writing

706
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: these mail back questions or whomever in the Red Sea

707
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: has a question and feel free to let me know,

708
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: because I'm genuinely curious. For those who are pitching a

709
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: trade involving Kyler Murray, what does Kyler Murray not have

710
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: that you don't believe in him as your franchise quarterback?

711
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Did he win his first playoff game appearance? No, I

712
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: understand that I'm not saying he's perfect or there's no

713
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: room for growth, But I'm just curious where this feeling

714
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: comes from for people to say, oh, you know what

715
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: we're done with Kyler Murray, let's trade him for more.

716
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: What are you expecting to get that would be better?

717
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Paul didn't read my response to the questions, Oh, I

718
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: would love to know what your response one sentence, I'm like,

719
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Kyler Murray was better than Baker

720
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Mayfield in twenty nineteen. Nothing has changed. Why would you

721
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: make that trade even not even just for Baker Mayfield,

722
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: but just in general. What what? What is? What is

723
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Kyler missing that people aren't hoping for a contract extension

724
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: or for him to be the franchise quarterback that it's

725
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: just let's just wipe our hands, like, let's just I mean,

726
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: are you just are you asking that rhetorically or do

727
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: you really not know? I mean, come on, you've you've read,

728
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: You've seen, you know why people are under irritated. I'm

729
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: not saying they're right, but you know why. But isn't

730
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: that answer that I answered it the exact same way.

731
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would trade them Kyler Murray?

732
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: Is you think Kyler Murray is a franchise quarterback? You

733
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: plaque you're not trading them. I mean, if I don't

734
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: know there are other quarterbacks out there that I might consider,

735
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: there's very few of them. Wouldn't be Baker Mayfield almost

736
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: said something. It wouldn't be Baker Mayfield. Nothing of substance

737
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: for me to think that's enough reason to answer your question.

738
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: I guess is you're approaching it from a football only angle. Yeah,

739
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: the business angle might be that. I mean, we saw

740
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: what Kyler's agent was all about before that is Shaun

741
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Watson deal. Now, who knows what he's asking for. I mean,

742
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: it just might be a non starter as to what

743
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: exactly if he's asking for three hundred million guaranteed or

744
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: something absurd like that, and based on an all caps

745
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: memo we sent out, who knows what he's asking for?

746
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: He could be completely unhinged at this point. Okay, but

747
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: and empowered by the Shawn Watson deal. You're yeah, I'm

748
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: just wondering if the business side of it, which is

749
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: a complete unknown, But there's a business side of it

750
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield wherever he goes. Sure, sure, but but

751
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: what sort of leverage is He has zero leverage at

752
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: this point. He needs his best situation where he can

753
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: prove his worth. Okay, but but let's establish his market

754
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: value just playing along with this, he has an unrealistic hypothetical,

755
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: right he has eighteen Okay, But you bring him in

756
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: and he then wins you over. What do you think

757
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna say, Well, I just proved I'm gonna be

758
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: you a quarterback of the future, but I'm willing to

759
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: take a lot less because I'm Baker Mayfield. No, he's

760
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, look at de Shaun Watson's contract, where's my money?

761
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: What's the difference. No, the difference is the acquisition cost.

762
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: You just traded your existing quarterback for a ridiculous package

763
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: of picks and players, and you got your new quarterback

764
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: off the street. It's the acquisition cost. So you're still

765
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: going to pay a quarterback eventually. Ideally you're still going

766
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: to pay a quarterback because the new one comes in

767
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: and he's really good and he earned that next deal.

768
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: But look what you've done to bolster the rest of

769
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: your roster with the assets. Okay, well, let me ask

770
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: you this question because we don't know. Let's just say

771
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know obviously who those draft picks would be

772
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: used on, right, So just looking at what we know,

773
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: if you make that trade and Baker Mayfield is your quarterback,

774
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: is this team better off this year? Nosed? Based on

775
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: what I saw in Cleveland last year and Baker's play,

776
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Okay, then that's but this team feels close.

777
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Why would you bring in a quarterback that you feel

778
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: takes new steps backwards. I'm just saying one he gets

779
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the other. You're trying to resign Kyler. You're trying yeah,

780
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: but if it can, if it won't happen, if it

781
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: can't happen, if you've just reached the point of no

782
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: return somehow, some way, that that's that's the scenario with

783
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: which I please understand. It's it's a hot take el grande.

784
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it up, and I get the two

785
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: of us here. You can't just throw it out there

786
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: and expect not to get singed. There. I get that

787
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: thought of, Okay, if you really think nothing's going to happen,

788
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: make a trade while you can get more bang for

789
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: your buck, all of that, I guess. But the idea

790
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: this is not necessarily geared towards you, Paul. Then just

791
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: the mail bag. I'm sure it's not even the first

792
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: time you've gotten that in a mail bag. It's just

793
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: it's so bewildering to me that, you know, especially like

794
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: if it's about him wanting the contract, or if it

795
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: goes back to the social media, whatever the reasoning is

796
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: for people of like look around like that, there could

797
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: be much worse off field character heuristics and a quarterback

798
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: for the fan base. Yeah, and then you give him

799
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: two hundred thirty million dollars guaranteed. I just yes, it's

800
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: just to each their own thought, I suppose. But I

801
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: am not one of those people who would entertain that

802
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: idea of trading Kyler Murray because you feel some type

803
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: of way about him in that sense when it's to me,

804
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: hasn't been a big issue. Once again, I fully expect

805
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: that you know. The way I feel right now sort

806
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: of ostracized over here all by myself, is how Jimmy

807
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: has them felt at the recent NFL owners meetings. Put

808
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: it that way, I don't think there was a lot

809
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: of love for Jimmy Haslem when the other owners came

810
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: into that room. This is a lot better than last

811
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: week when Darren and I were almost jumping over the tables.

812
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: You by overtime, so that's right, you were actually across

813
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: the by the way. By the way, as long as

814
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: we're going, can I just throw this out here about

815
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: the overtime if you guys are wondering, you really want

816
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: to go back here, I'm just going to throw this

817
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: out here if you're wondering, because an incredulous Ron Wolfley,

818
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean really, I mean he needed like his booboo

819
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: kiddie on Big Red Rage. I mean, he was just

820
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: he's nearly in tears over there. Here's I can tell

821
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: you this was part of the equation. Do you see

822
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: from the own NFL memo that they realized their data

823
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: cruncher due the analytics department, These people and I quote

824
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: projected that an extra possession during that Chiefs Bills game

825
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: that was very important and influential in authoring in this

826
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: brand new overtime rule, that an extra possession there would

827
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: have likely guaranteed and generated at least five minutes of

828
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: fifty plus million viewers. That is a staggering number in

829
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: the TV world. Staggering. Think about the NCAA Championship game

830
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: maybe did sixteen to eighteen million viewers. You would have

831
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: had fifty plus million viewers, they projected if you had

832
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: an extra possession. So if they're already leaning towards that

833
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: new overtime rule and that data came in like it

834
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: did from the NFL analytics department and that projection, you

835
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: can't tell me that didn't seal the deal. And the

836
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: people in the room said, yep, done deal. Competition Committee,

837
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: guess what, we're evolving the overtime rule because an extra possession,

838
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: let's see here more ot more good So to speak. Yeah, well,

839
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: money doesn't just talk for the players. I guess there's

840
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: a part of me that feels like you're not going

841
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: to get overtime with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen every time.

842
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing that bothers me about it, Like it's

843
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: we're trying to capture the snapshot and they based it.

844
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: They essentially admitted they based it on one game, one instance,

845
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: and who knows if that will ever ever come up

846
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: ever in the rest of the history of man whatever.

847
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of the history of man, you

848
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: see that Elon Musk now owns nine percent of Twitter.

849
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: You guys to see that he's trolling everybody on Twitter

850
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Three billion dollar investment into Twitter stock.

851
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: He now owns nine percent of the company, and who knows.

852
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Who knows what's going to happen to Darren's account at

853
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: cards Chatter, You have no idea. So that's a concern

854
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: about mask winning a buying up part of Twitter because

855
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: he does not react well the criticisms smoke him while

856
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: you got him on Twitter. Put it that way, We'll

857
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: see where that goes exactly. Do the card what's sort

858
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: of between now and the draft By the way, do

859
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: either one of you expect news. Do you expect a

860
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: fairly big name receiver dare I say wide receiver too

861
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: to be signed? Do you expect an establish veteran pass

862
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: rusher to be signed between now and the draft? Do

863
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: you expect a Kyler contract to be done between now

864
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: and the draft? Is it going to be all quiet

865
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: on the Arizona front until April twenty eighth or Darren,

866
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: are you going to be you know, maybe on a Saturday,

867
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: sort of like the JJ Watt thing, hard at work

868
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: from a laptop. First of all, I'm always hard at work,

869
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: working on that laptop, giving the people what they want.

870
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: A man of the people, just like JJ Watt, Darren Urban.

871
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to do those things.

872
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: I mean to me, if you're a veteran, I guess

873
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: it'll come down. I mean my guess is at this point,

874
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: if you're a veteran, you know what your market is.

875
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: At least at this point, you know what teams are

876
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: willing to spend. You know what you could possibly take,

877
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: which is probably a lot less than you were hoping.

878
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, are you willing to wait till after the draft?

879
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Till most of these when most of these teams fill

880
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot of holes because your options are going to shrink.

881
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: Now after the draft, your options overall options may shrink,

882
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: but you may have a couple of different places that

883
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: really then need you more. So maybe that helps you,

884
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: but you're you're going to lose your opportunity in a

885
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: lot of ways to like kind of pick and choose

886
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: where you go because there aren't going to be a

887
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: lot of places. I don't know if they're gonna if

888
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: they're necessarily going to sign those guys ahead of time.

889
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: But again, as we saw that list that you kind

890
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: of talked about a little bit last week, most of

891
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: those guys still have not signed. So are they all

892
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: waiting till right before the draft? Are they playing chicken

893
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: with teams right now? In terms of what they might take.

894
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I saw Tyren Matthew, not that Tyron Matthew would come here,

895
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: but I saw Tyron Matthew took a visit to the Saints,

896
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: And that's intriguing, very interesting for a guy that's from

897
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: the area. See if he go home, because I remember

898
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: when I went back with him to New Orleans for

899
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: a trip when he was still with the Cardinals. He

900
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: kind of was like, I don't know if it would

901
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: be a good thing for me to be home. Now.

902
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: He's a lot more mature now and he has a

903
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Family's got a family, but there's other things that happened

904
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: to New Orleans that kind of made him think a

905
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: little bit about it whether it would be good for

906
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: him to be there. So that's always interesting. So I'm

907
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: curious to see where he goes. But again, he's a

908
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: guy that is waiting for money that hasn't materialized yet,

909
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: or Jadavian Clowney or some of the other guys that

910
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: you mentioned last week. What happens with him, I don't know.

911
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: I would think you'd want to have a place before

912
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: the draft, because the draft just really pushes a lot

913
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: of guys off to the side. I have a theory

914
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: about you don't want to go into any draft with

915
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: a glaring need. No, that's that's very true. Okay, so so,

916
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: but if you go into a draft with multiple glaring needs,

917
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: it's not as much of a tell. For example, oh,

918
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: you don't want to go into a draft because you

919
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: don't want to have it was sort of it was

920
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: the it was the year. It was the year Mahomes

921
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: and DeShawn Watson got drafted, and the Cargoals needed a quarterback,

922
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: and they were sitting there at thirteen and what happened.

923
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Two teams traded in front of them, and they nabbed

924
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks they had on their board, Patrick Mahomes,

925
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: Intoshaun Watson and Bruce Arians. Thereafter, he admitted in a

926
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: later interview, Yeah, we were sitting there and teams traded

927
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: in front of us, and it was you know, other teams,

928
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: no other teams needs. So if you're going into this draft,

929
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: let's say you sign um, oh, my guy Will Fuller.

930
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: Let's say you signed Will Fuller tomorrow, and then you

931
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: sign another veteran corner Fuller, and then you sign a

932
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: running back. And so you're going into April twenty eighth

933
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: round into the draft, and you're glaring need by Far

934
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: is edge Rusher, and you're sitting there and it's getting

935
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: towards twenty three and Karl Loftus is still on the board.

936
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. Somebody's gonna trade your funny

937
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: and now so but buddy, if you go into this

938
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: draft as currently constructed, you can look at the Cardinals say, man,

939
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: they still need an edge rusher. They still need a

940
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver, they still need a corner. Arguably, we can

941
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: have the Jeff Cladney argument off air, all right, they

942
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: need a running back. You can still site four legitimate

943
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: positions at least the Cardinals need. Now, you're not gonna

944
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: go You're not gonna go first round running back, Paul,

945
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: but you could easily go first round corner, edge rusher,

946
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: or receiver. Paul is the first person ever to say, yes,

947
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: have as many holes in your roster as possible going

948
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: into the draft. I'm just saying, the front office is

949
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: gonna cha. Have you moved to their side of the building.

950
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: This is my response to the question do you expect

951
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: anything between now and then? I would say it's all

952
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: or nothing. Either you sign an edge rusher and a

953
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: receiver and maybe a corner and or another offensive lineman

954
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: and to our running back, or you address none of them.

955
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: You keep all those all those positions in those names

956
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: in the fold at the ready and as soon as

957
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: the draft ends and you can go ahead. But I

958
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: don't think you do all of them. I think if anything,

959
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: if you're able to get something done with a pass rusher,

960
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: that's it. Because We've talked about the depth you can

961
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: get at a wide receiver. I don't necessarily think we're

962
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: going to have another big, set starter pass rusher or

963
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: true number two wide receiver before the draft. I don't

964
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: envision that happening. I think it's going to be you

965
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: get through the draft, who's still available as you get

966
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: through that true second wave of free agency. I mean,

967
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm throwing a name out there, but let's say Jadeveon Clowney.

968
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: They're talking to him, and all of a sudden, he's

969
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: willing to play for what they're willing to pay him.

970
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: So you're saying, don't sign them till after the draft.

971
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm no, No, if you're if you're going to risk

972
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: losing him, okay, yeah, but then then then. But what

973
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I can understand why maybe it's not

974
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: as front burner as you know between now and the draft.

975
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: That's that's I guess. At the fine point, I think

976
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: the biggest reason something, the biggest reason you're not going

977
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: to sign these guys is because they want money. The

978
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: ones you might be interested in want money that you're

979
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: not willing to pay. I think that's why you're not

980
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: signing him. I think if the money was right and

981
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: it's a guy that you would like on your team,

982
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: you get it done because you don't know what's going

983
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: to happen. I think you carry that into the draft too,

984
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: of if you are so set on a player or

985
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: that position group, you move up eliminate that risk. I mean,

986
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: at some point you know that all the teams know

987
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: who the top players are, right, so it's you can

988
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: only do so much to hide your needs. I feel like,

989
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, going back full circle to that Charles Davis

990
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: mock draft, if the Cardinals end up with six foot

991
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: four Drake London, then maybe you're not as have to

992
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: sign an AJ Green or a Julio Jones. You're gonna

993
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: go after a smaller slot receiver guy like a Jarvis

994
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Landry or you know you see him, so maybe you

995
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: may be more patient. Correct, but it would also dictate

996
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: which direction as to which type of player you're going

997
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: to sign based on who you come away with, especially

998
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: round one of the draft, or if the way the

999
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: board falls and you end up with you know, one

1000
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: of those Washington cornerbacks. Well, okay, now now you know,

1001
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: now you know you're you're gonna have to go on,

1002
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: spend a little bit more money than you anticipated in

1003
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: free agency to fill edge rusher or receiver. And that

1004
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: works both ways. If you're a veteran and it's oh,

1005
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are taking pass rushers, like, you

1006
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: know what, maybe I'm going to have to take a

1007
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: little less money. Or if all these teams are taking

1008
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: pass rushers and you're a wide receiver, you can probably

1009
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: still get close to the money you're wanting before the draft,

1010
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: because maybe teams will still need that true number two

1011
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Teams teams all the time going to a

1012
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: draft saying okay, we need to check this boxes by

1013
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: and then they only get two out of four boxes checked,

1014
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, right now those free

1015
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: agents might be in a little bit more demand than

1016
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: they were perhaps and people in the draft. And the

1017
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: other thing, too, is if you wait until after the draft,

1018
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: you know you know where you can go. If you're

1019
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, you don't want to sign for a

1020
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: one year, proved deal before the draft and then have

1021
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: the team still draft receiver and then want to use

1022
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: them ahead of you, and then all of a sudden

1023
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: you're not getting the kind of work you thought you

1024
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: were going to get to get your big free agent

1025
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: deal next year, especially if you had incentives during that

1026
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: season and you're gonna you know, you're trying to meet

1027
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: those incentives, and it's predicated on playtime obviously. So yeah,

1028
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: it's just I guess I'm just once again posing the

1029
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: question what you may or may not expect between now

1030
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: and the draft, And I'm also simultaneously trying to answer

1031
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: the question posed by much of the red seat, what's

1032
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: going on? What's the plan? Why have there not been

1033
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: more signings at more positions? But then again, there are

1034
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: a lot of players still available. It's not like there's

1035
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: been this tremendous run and Way two or Wave three

1036
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: a free agency, right, unless I'm misreading the landscape. Yes,

1037
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: there was a run initially on the big name, big

1038
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: money players, but after that it's been fairly dry. So

1039
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: if there's no urgency to get a deal done necessarily

1040
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: today or before the draft, then why Because you don't

1041
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: know how that draft board is going to fall and

1042
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: who you end up coming away with. You don't know

1043
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna make you an offer you can't refuse.

1044
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: At number twenty three and you moved down a little

1045
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: bit and actually end up with another pick and you

1046
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: fill yet another need, perhaps the top the second round.

1047
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, So these are all different scenarios and looks.

1048
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: As much as we anticipate trying to get these answers now,

1049
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: and it's a media gratification society, you know, you can't

1050
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: assess I've already seen these power rankings of teams off seasons. Really,

1051
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: the draft hasn't even hit yet, the second and third wave,

1052
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: and free agency hasn't even been finalized. How can you

1053
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: render a greade on a team's offseason at this point.

1054
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: You can't. It's way too early for better or worse.

1055
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: You just can. I mean, look a look at the

1056
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner deal, for example, five years, fifty million dollars,

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars max. No, it's one year, ten

1058
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: million guaranteed. Maybe there's a dispute over the three point

1059
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: five million offset language in year two. Florio and Bobby

1060
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: Wagner himself got into it over that one funny that

1061
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: was pretty good and as Floria, as you know, Wagner

1062
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: represents himself and so in fact, that was a good quote.

1063
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: When they asked him about his release from the Seahawks

1064
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: after a decade there. His quote was quote the player

1065
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: kind of took it personally, but the agent went to work.

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: So no, he's separating himself into two like a bipolar

1067
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: third person reference. It's funny you bring up the Rams

1068
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: because I saw this on Twitter and somebody somebody did

1069
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: the quote saying I don't understand how the Rams keeps

1070
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: signing everybody. It's like the salary cap doesn't exist to them,

1071
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: and then they put this little graphic with their tweet.

1072
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: They've gained Alan Robinson, a very good wide receiver, for

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half million dollars essentially, and they've gained

1074
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner for essentially eleven million dollars ish, but they've

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00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: they traded away Robert Woods, who killed the Cardinals and

1076
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: is a really good receiver. Yeah he got hurt, but

1077
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: they traded him away. So even if you've got Alan Robinson,

1078
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you lost Robert Woods. So and you lost Von Miller.

1079
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: He lost Von Miller, You lost Darius Williams, who was

1080
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: a good cornerback for them. You lost Austin Corbett. UH

1081
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: saved the best for last, the left tackle UH Andreworth retired, retired,

1082
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: and that was the key to the turnaround. They lost

1083
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: Austin Corbett, uh Sebastian Joseph Day uh and uh oo

1084
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Oko Ronoco. So I mean, and these three guys were

1085
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: draft picks that were playing on their defense or four

1086
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: guys right, really they were playing on the defense along

1087
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: along with von Miller. And we don't know what's gonna

1088
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: happen with Odell Beckham, but even if he does come back,

1089
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: he is playing for I mean, the Rams aren't better.

1090
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: They have two they got two splashy signings, but they

1091
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: lost more than they gained. And they and they you know,

1092
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: they they cost them less than they lost. And look,

1093
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner was not the same player last year against

1094
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: cerro Zone. I don't think he was. He was not.

1095
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a lot of miles on those tires.

1096
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: He has almost fourteen hundred career tackles. You can't tell

1097
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: me that hasn't taken a toll to a certain degree.

1098
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: On the other hand, right now, here's your next Polly

1099
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: Pop quiz. Name one of the two starting inside linebackers

1100
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: for the LA Rams. You're Super Bowl champions. A year ago,

1101
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals played him three times. I could not name either

1102
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: inside starting linebacker without looking at a depth chart. Well,

1103
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: one of them I just mentioned. I think it was

1104
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: the hard name that I couldn't pronounced. But they think

1105
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: he might have been an outside linebacker because the two

1106
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: the two starters were Ernest Jones, the rookie, and Troy Reader. Okay,

1107
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: you're right, so um, they upgraded, they upgraded inside linebacker.

1108
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the Rams have gone many years, many years

1109
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: without really spending money at inside linebacker. For whatever reason,

1110
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: the Rams have gone that, which is pales in comparison

1111
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: to what the Cardinals have done the last couple of years,

1112
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks and the forty nine ers who usually

1113
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: pay Yeah, Fred Wagner, Bobby Wagner, Fred Warner, thank you

1114
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: and Bobby Wagner. So so now you have three all

1115
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: pros at each of the three levels of the defense

1116
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, and Bobby Wagner. So you know, Okay,

1117
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 1: but we'll see once again, we'll see. He just didn't

1118
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: seem to be the same playmaker he was in years

1119
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: past for the But then again, the whole last place

1120
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: Seahawks defense was a disaster on so many levels. Well,

1121
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: good news, we still got to see him twice a year,

1122
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: so we can be the judge of that. That's right.

1123
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, Bobby Wagner is still holding a

1124
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: little bit of a grudge a little bit against Pete

1125
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: Carroll and John Schneider and the way he was not informed.

1126
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: He learned of his release via social media. Nobody even

1127
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: picked up the phone to call him. After his Hall

1128
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: of Fame career in Seattle, he was no longer as Seahawk,

1129
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, but uh so some tells me that

1130
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made it much better. Maybe not, maybe not,

1131
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: but uh, there you go. So that's anything else I'm

1132
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: missing on any front, especially as it relates to the

1133
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: NFC West, not that I know of. You don't have

1134
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: any doomsday things you read about that you want to

1135
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: finish off with. No I mentioned, you know, I thought,

1136
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: I think one one doomsday per podcast is probably suffices. Right. So,

1137
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: and once again, that was back in early March. I

1138
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: like to think maybe we're maybe we're in a different

1139
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: place as to when somebody put out there that after

1140
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I'm sure

1141
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: it's much better. Yeah. Uh, let's not get into current

1142
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: events any more. Than what I just throw out there

1143
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: in terms of the Wall Street Journal and that analyst

1144
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: and what they predicted. So let's stick to our football predictions.

1145
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: That's what I can't ignore the world. You can't go

1146
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: all Ostrich on US ball. Although I am still a

1147
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: little better speaking of April and the months that the

1148
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals do not take my idea for the April

1149
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: Fools joke on social media? Danny, come on, you were

1150
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: on board with that? Were you not that? That's out

1151
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: of my purview. I don't I don't control our social

1152
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: media sending an official Arizona Cardinals game warn helmet to

1153
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Chris Rock and telling him to wear this in good

1154
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: faith the next time he hosts the Oscars, just to

1155
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: guard against any future headslaps, give him an actual NFL

1156
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: Cardinals helmet. I thought it was a great social media prank.

1157
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: Nobody got on board with that, So yeah, a little

1158
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: disappointed over here. Do you guys pull any pranks? I

1159
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: don't see the point of that, Danny, Oh boy, wow,

1160
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: I pulled a prank on someone. I don't think she

1161
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: knows it was me because I wasn't in the office.

1162
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: M really, okay, did it work? Was it effective from

1163
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: what I heard. Yes, I see. Okay, you mean you

1164
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: didn't position yourself to witness it. Isn't that sort of

1165
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: the prerequisite of any April Fools joke? You want to

1166
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: be able to witness it for that gratification. I mean,

1167
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: I guess I can are not here. I was not here.

1168
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: My parents were in town, so I was off on Friday. Okay, Yeah,

1169
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know that

1170
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: it necessarily was funny prank. I can share it, though,

1171
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: think go ahead, I can share it. Um So, Grace

1172
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: and Choy one of our videographer and producers who have

1173
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: we mentioned before you afore mentioned Grace and Chi with

1174
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: the gray right with with they The metabolism of a

1175
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: humming bird was my Scott report earlier. Yes, and all

1176
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: the food so great. Grace and I are good friends

1177
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: outside of work. We are carpool buddies. And um I'd

1178
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: done this in the past, and I thought about it,

1179
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: and so I signed her up unbeknown to her, unbeknown

1180
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: to her at this moment. Um, there is a website

1181
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: you can sign people up to get text messages. So

1182
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: I signed her up to get ten text messages. It

1183
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: was one every hour, and there was a couple of

1184
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: options you could choose, and I signed her up every

1185
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: hour to get a fun fact about Nicholas Cage. And

1186
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: the best part is through this website, I was able

1187
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: on my end to see the conversation, so I could

1188
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: see the facts that were being sent to her and

1189
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: I can see her responding all caps stop please, And

1190
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: from what I heard around the office, she was complaining

1191
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: she was very confused. She didn't know how it would stop,

1192
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know it was me, unlaw, was one

1193
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: of you blabs or one of our listeners tweets out

1194
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: if she finds out, it's going to be because of

1195
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Craig Grilo, who's listening to the Maybe she just listens

1196
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: to the pocket. Maybe, but we do have a friend

1197
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: who was texting me throughout saying like it was so funny.

1198
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: It was so hard for her to keep her composure

1199
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: because she knew about the prank. She was like, Grayson

1200
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: is so confused. She is not enjoying this. She keeps

1201
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: bringing it up at lunch and I wasn't in the office,

1202
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: so she doesn't think it was me. Okay, I gotta

1203
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: say that's really really good By the way, here's the well, sorry,

1204
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: real quick. So I paid not a lot, but I

1205
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: paid like two dollars for this, and so you got

1206
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: a second person. So I signed someone else up in

1207
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: our department for these who, thank goodness, was not in

1208
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: the office, so it wasn't like him and Grayson were

1209
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: chatting back and forth about their different Nicolas Cage fun facts.

1210
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: He didn't think it was a funny prank. He was like,

1211
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: it really wasn't that good. But I can see his

1212
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: responses too. That's so it's just a lot of fun

1213
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: facts about Nicholas Cage if you guys want to That's

1214
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: so well timed with that new movie coming out. Have

1215
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: you seen that he hasn't trailer for that? Wow, that

1216
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: is some great press by me. Where he plays where

1217
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: he plays himself. That was not a fun fact. That

1218
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: was it is. It looks fantastic. If you like Nicholas Cage,

1219
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: which I do, even though he's had a bunch of clunkers,

1220
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: I totally want to see this movie. You should look

1221
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: at the trailer. If you like Nicholas Cage, I'll sign

1222
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: you what for the text messages. That's great to know me. Well,

1223
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: you know he should have used Darren and your bogo.

1224
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: You don't buy one, get one right. You don't want

1225
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: to go there, and you do not want to get

1226
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: down that road. I would just say, look up this

1227
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: trailer and and now I'm dying to know what the hell.

1228
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk into the office into Grayson's area where

1229
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: she works, and I'm gonna say, so Grayson Gone in

1230
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. That's an underrated top five movie of all time.

1231
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the eleanor Mustang that Nicholas Cage drove around,

1232
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: and that sixty seven Shelby. Let's talk about she doesn't

1233
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: know me, never brought it up to me. The Unbearable

1234
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: Weight of Massive Talent. That's his new movie where he

1235
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: plays himself and he ends up going uh with a

1236
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: very rich person who is a huge Nicholas Cage fan,

1237
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: and he is he basically gets it's look at the trailers.

1238
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: It's very Is that a takeoff on the Being John

1239
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: Malkovich movie? Or I never never did? I never see that?

1240
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: But is that a similar approach? I saw the trailer

1241
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: the other day and I'm like, I'm going to watch

1242
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: that movie now. Maybe I'll watch it at home, but

1243
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch. Well, if anybody is interested in some

1244
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage facts, hit me up. I will show them.

1245
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: It's good. Wh wouldn't we ask Grayson she's got him?

1246
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: Because that would see if Grayson didn't tell you about it,

1247
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: then it would be suspicious. I mean, I guess it's already.

1248
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the prank next year, so

1249
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: you can you can bring it up. I'm not going

1250
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: to bring it up. I'm not going to bring it up.

1251
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: Probably it will be really telling if she says something

1252
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: to me, because that means she is a loyal listener,

1253
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: and I would respect that. I would too. Well, that's

1254
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: what I listen, that's what I get. I had my heart.

1255
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: Why are you guys listening to in the car? Oh?

1256
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: We should do that? How should she drove last time?

1257
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: That would be good and then just start the podcast

1258
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: and then fast forward to the very end. But that

1259
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean I had to listen to my voice. Do

1260
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys like doing that? I don't particularly. We could

1261
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: take a straw pole, but see if if if more

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Speaker 1: people don't like it, then do then we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to boot you from the podcast. And I'd really rather

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Speaker 1: not go through that. Oh, that's so sweet. Not that

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to lose me, you just don't want

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Speaker 1: to go through that process. But I'll take it. Although

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Speaker 1: you know, I tried hard with my Baker Mayfield Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray trade hot take. I tried hard with the whole civilization,

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Speaker 1: any nuclear war thing, and and Danny still played the

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Speaker 1: role attopp her. You know one of those people they

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Speaker 1: tap you well, you know, you think you got a

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Speaker 1: great story and they tap you with their story, and

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Speaker 1: you know that's just the way it goes over here.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't need the hot team on this edition,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation hashtag

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Speaker 1: it can always get worse.