1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Body backs. But Joseph Scott Morgan, we're learning more every 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: day about the brutal homicide of Brian Thompson and CEO 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: of United Healthcare. This is part two of our coverage 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: of that case. I'm Josephcotten Morgan and this is bodybags. 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: There's an old adage that says, is a poor workman 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: that curses his tools. In this particular case, whoever it 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: is that is responsible for the death of Brian Thompson 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: And allegedly, according to the authorities, they're looking at mister Mangioni. 9 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: He showed up with the right hardware for the job. 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Apparently Dave I had so many questions about the gun, 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: the bullets, So let's start there. Joe, you explained the 12 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: ghost gun and how that was possibly done in a 13 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: three D printer. We'll find out more about the three 14 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: D print gun that they call the ghost gun. But 15 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about the glock and being nine millimeter, and 16 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: I know that there was a nine millimeter unfired bullet 17 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: right as well as they had three shells that were 18 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: found at the scene that had writing on them. That 19 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: actually means something in all of this, but more than 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: all of that, and there was the mention of a 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: hollow point bullet, right, And for those of us who 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: only hear about these things on you know, movies and 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: in TV, what are we talking about with a nine 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: millimeter round first of all, and then adding into it 25 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: that it's a hollow point. 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an excellent question. I think a lot of 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: people are you know it? You know, they can be 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: a bit confused. But the main the main purpose of 29 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: a of a hollow so called hollow point round is expansion. 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: And so let's think about this. When the firing sequence 31 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: of a handgun, let's just take a glock. It's got 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: an internal firing pen, I mean an internal hammer. It 33 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: strikes the firing pin. When the trigger is actuated, that 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: firing pin goes forward, it strikes the primer camp cap, 35 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: which is this little circle at at the base of 36 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: a live round, and it showers out heated are burning? 37 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Uh primer Okay, it's it's got a very specific chemical 38 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: structure to it. Well, that little flame that comes off 39 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: of that primer cap travels up through what are called 40 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: flash holes in the live round, and there's these tang 41 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: little holes and it throws it through those little flash holes. 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of these little sparks that are given off, 43 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: and as it goes through the flash holes, it hits 44 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: what's referred to as the propellant inside of the live 45 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: round day and when that propellant is ignited, it pushes 46 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: the projectile down the barrel. And you hear about us 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: talking about rifling in a barrel, rifling or those grooves 48 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: that are creating in a barrel, and it makes the 49 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: now projectile, it's no longer an intact piece of ammo. 50 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, people used from bullet and a bullet for 51 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people will say it means like an 52 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: entire projectile live round for most people, I think that 53 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: projectile should be used here because it is what is 54 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: being projected. So you've got the casing that is essentially 55 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: it projected either side, and this projectile is sent out 56 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: of the muzzle well because the rifling, the projectile is spinning, 57 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: and what a spinning do, well, the spinning actually maintains 58 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: the energy. You don't have energy depletion like you do, 59 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: say with like a smooth bore like a shotgun, where 60 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: you're just blasting this thing out and after a few yards. 61 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Shotgun rounds in particular they spread and then they lose 62 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: their energy really quickly. They just kind of fall. It's 63 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: aerodynamically inefficient, okay, but with a rifled round. And we 64 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: learned this all the way back, you know, in Civil War. 65 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: It's why the wounds were so devastating. You have rifled, 66 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: rifled weapons and it maintains the energy. Now, to add 67 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: on to this, years ago they developed we'd gone through 68 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: a whole series of different types of moo over the years. 69 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: There were things like wadcutters that were famous back in 70 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: the seventies that people would fire in their three fifty 71 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: seven revolvers. But then a new type of round hit 72 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: the market. Is called a holow point, and so you've 73 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: got this kind of cupped out area in the center. 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: So if you think about the shape of a projectile, 75 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of it looks like a nose cone on 76 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: a rocket. Okay. Well, their HaLow points are not shaped 77 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: like that. It's the guts of that center portion are 78 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: hollowed out, if you will, and so it forms its 79 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: kind of cup. Well what does that mean. Well, as 80 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: that projectile exits that barrel, it's spinning and when it 81 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: hits the target. What these projectiles are designed to do 82 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: is that when it impacts the target, let's say the 83 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: back of a human being. Okay, that projectile goes from 84 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: being a nine million meter round okay, which if you 85 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: think about it, it's I don't know, probably zero point 86 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: three five inches in diameter. It goes from being point 87 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: three five inches in diameter to what the manufacturers hoping 88 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: it does is that it expands, and so it goes 89 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: from a nine millimeter to a fifteen millimeter d you see. 90 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's the purpose of it. So as as 91 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: it it blossoms out, the hollow point, as it blossoms out, 92 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: it begins to drag and cavitate through the body, Okay. 93 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: And it's very basic because the ideas is, as it 94 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: is increasing the caliber size. All right. Now, not all 95 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: of them expand I've seen them where they don't expand 96 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: a number of times, all right, So it's not guaranteed 97 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: every single time. For the most part, they do, or at 98 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: least partially. The more the thing expands, the more tissue 99 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: you're going to tear up. Okay. And there's been a 100 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: number of these specialized HaLow points have been made. I 101 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: think the black talon was created a few years ago. 102 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: And it actually has like when it expands, it's got 103 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: a little teeth on it on the edge of it, 104 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: like little hooks, And so as it goes through the body, 105 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: any of the little micro vessels that are in there, 106 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: it grabs them and it just kind of rips them 107 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: and shreds them, not to mention all the other tissue, 108 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: and it finally comes to rest. And many times when 109 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: you have a Holow point, if it does its shop 110 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: where it expands, you'll get these events. Depending upon the 111 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: thickness of that portion of the body that's going through. 112 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes you won't have them exit. They'll just be rattling around, 113 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, in the body, and then you'll recover them 114 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: at autopsy. And so you've got this round that. Otherwise, 115 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: let's say if it went through and it's at zero 116 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: point three to five inches in diameter with a standard projectile, 117 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: let's say it's not hollow point, you've got some of 118 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: it a better chance of perhaps surviving as opposed to 119 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: a Holow point that's now expanded out to fifteen millimeters 120 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to nine millimeters, and it's created this huge 121 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: cavitation of body where it's ripped all the tissue to shreds. 122 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: So he showed up with this in tow. This is 123 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: apparently the type of AMMO at least at this point 124 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: we know that at at least one of the rounds 125 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: that he found out, I don't know because we hadn't 126 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of And look, kudos to alatoon of 127 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: police that hooked this guy update because they didn't really 128 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: release a lot of information. All they say is they 129 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: recovered a weapon, okay, our a ghost gun, I think, 130 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: or something to that effect. So we don't know if 131 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: the weapon was loaded. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. 132 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: We don't know how many these rounds he had. I'm 133 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: still flummixed over the fact that he had this thing. 134 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: First off, you're as how much water there is between 135 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: New York and Alatoon of Pennsylvania. He had taken the 136 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: bus into town back in November, and you know what 137 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: the beauty of the traveling with a bus with a 138 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: gun is, you're not going to go through a metal detector. 139 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to go back to him shooting Brian Thompson. 140 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: He's using the nine millimeter bullet and a nine milimeter 141 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: round and on it he has inscribed He's written words 142 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: on these shells. Now, I don't know how the gun loads. 143 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 2: It's not a revolver. I mean, it's not going to 144 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: have the spinning wheel, right, it's going to have a 145 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: Carter's load. 146 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a magazine. 147 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: Okay. 148 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: So he's loading that magazine with these and I and 149 00:09:53,600 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: he's written on at least three of them the words delay, deny, and. 150 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: Oh the third word depose depose, thank you yea. 151 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: And that's all part of a book about the insurance 152 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: agencies ripping us all off when it comes to getting 153 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: our care taken care of with help. But he had 154 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: written that on these, the killer had written it on 155 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: those shells that were found at the scene, the shell cases. 156 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah he did. And again that's you know, our friends 157 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: in question document examination, they don't get the love in 158 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: forensics that they should. I've got friends that are questioned 159 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: document examiners or they're either called qdes or FDEs deetended 160 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: pond kind of what school they come from. Forensic document 161 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: examiners and question document examiners. I love these people, I 162 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: really do. They're fascinating to talk to and their training 163 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: is insane. The problem is is not as many people 164 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: are writing anymore. So, but I can guarantee I can 165 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: guarantee you that there will be these individual skills are 166 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: going to be engaged. 167 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: Because though even though they have a fingerprint match on 168 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: the shelves and everything else, they will still break down 169 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: who wrote that to make sure there's not somebody else involved. Now, 170 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: in his manifesto he claimed that he did this by himself, 171 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: that anybody else was involved, but somebody. 172 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: Again that was written. My understanding that, yeah, you got 173 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: a couple of I'm glad you brought that up, Dave, 174 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: because the manifesto, this notebook that he's got, that's rather verbo. 175 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: So I think it's a couple of hundred pages, maybe 176 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: is handwritten. My understanding is it's in a notebook, a 177 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: spiral notebook. 178 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: Okay, in the spiral notebook he had a to do 179 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: list and he had a few other things in this 180 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: spiral notebook. But he makes a comment in the so 181 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: called manifesto that the spiral notebook may or may not 182 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: be there, So he wasn't when he wrote the manifesto. 183 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: It was separate from his notebook Spiral notebook. The manifesto 184 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: is two hundred and sixty two handwritten words allegedly written 185 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 2: by Luigi Mangioni. Now they will use that, they'll get 186 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: his fingerprints off to all this paper anyway, but then 187 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: they will. They have found his fingerprints on the nine 188 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: millimeter shells with the handwriting on them at the scene. 189 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: They also, by the way, got his fingerprint match on 190 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: the water bottle from the Starbucks the kind bar bar Yeah. Yeah, 191 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: and there was also a cell phone. There was a 192 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: burner phone found nearby that had his fingerprints. 193 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there's nothing. And here's another thing. If 194 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I please correct me if I'm wrong, you're wrong. Thank 195 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: you don't believe anything I say if I remember correctly. Yeah, 196 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that there was a freeze frame of him 197 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: on CCTO. He's not wearing gloves. 198 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: Right, He's not wearing gloves, So you got a mask 199 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: over his face, the blue medical mask on his face. 200 00:12:59,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 201 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: That We do see him dump down one time when 202 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: he's you. 203 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: Know, with the girl at the hostel and she said, 204 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: let me see that pretty smile and he dougs it down, 205 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: and but other than that he kept it pretty buttoned up. 206 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: But no, I didn't see any gloves on him. And 207 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: we know we got fingerprints on this shown. 208 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: How can you do this much? And this is what 209 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time, don't we. You know, 210 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: I need to write a book. We talk about this 211 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: all the time where where we you know, we there's 212 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: that one thing that people do and there's not just 213 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: one in this case, there's multiple. But going back to 214 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: the handwriting, so our friends understand when when a case 215 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: of question document comes up, what will happen is and 216 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: this has happened for years and years, particularly when you 217 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: think and by the way, I urge anybody listening to 218 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: this to explore the life of doctor or professor Osburn 219 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: who wrote who wrote the seminal text on handwriting examination 220 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: he actually tests, And we're going to cover this case. 221 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I think you and I have talked about it of 222 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:10,359 Speaker 1: the Lindberg kidnapping and a Professor Osborne wrote the definitive 223 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: text on handwriting. By the way, if you can get 224 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: your hands on an original copy, you're gonna be wealthy 225 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: because it's still a text that's used even in this 226 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: thing was written back in the twenties or thirties. I 227 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: think anyway that the same principle still apply today. But 228 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: at any rate, what they're going to do is, for instance, 229 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: they will have him either offer up what to referred 230 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: to as exemplars, so they will give him they will 231 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: give him a sheet of paper and it can either 232 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: be ruled or non ruled. And they're going to give 233 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: him an instrument that approximates whatever it is that he 234 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: was using, whether it's a sharpie or my personal favorite 235 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: may maybe they'll give us an endorsement pilot extra fine point, 236 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: which I've always written with. 237 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: I wrote all as an academic. I thought you were 238 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: going to say the number two lead pencil. 239 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: Hardly, I'm too lazy. They're going to try to approximate 240 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: whatever it is. I mean, it could be a disposable, 241 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: big I guess they still make disposables. And they're going 242 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: to get the instrument that approximates with what the handwriting 243 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: examiner believes this thing was generated in. And they're going 244 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: to say, write these words okay and there, and they're 245 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: going to have him write the words out okay. 246 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: Even if he says, look, you got my manifesto, you 247 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: got my spiral notebook, what more do you want? 248 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: Those are my right? I wrote it? Do they still 249 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: make him write it down so that they can verify 250 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: that they're you know, he could be say. 251 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Do what I tell you to do. Okay, we'll get 252 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: a subpoena for it, you know, and they'll they'll compel 253 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: him to do it. It's like it's like going in 254 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's actually this might be a 255 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: Nancy question, but it's like if you when you when 256 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: they hooked him up in Altoona, they printed him. Okay, 257 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: well they've got that print. Even if he's not in 258 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: n CIC n c C, the National Prime Information Center database, 259 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: they now have his print locked in. Okay, it's been 260 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: officially taken. Well, they can take that print and that's 261 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: going to go to the print section of the crime lab. 262 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: And when they either use super glue or dusting or 263 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is they use to lift these prints off 264 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: these items, you know, the the water bottle and the 265 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: rounds in particular, which are not fun to do. That's 266 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of a hard thing to do. Sometimes they're 267 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: very skilled at it. Or that that plastic wrapper. They'll 268 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: take those latent prints and Layton means unseen and they'll 269 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: lift them. They'll have a uh, and then they've got 270 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: this static collection of his print from Alatoona, and they 271 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: will they will have printed him again when he in 272 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: New York as well. He's going to be printed multiple times. Okay, 273 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: even at the conclusion of trial. And I'm not saying 274 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: he's going to be found guilty. I'm just saying I'll 275 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: just say in a vanilaary in a broad sense, anybody 276 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: that's that's hooked up on charges, they're tried and convicted, 277 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: one of the first things they do is lead you 278 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: out of the courtroom and they take you to print 279 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: you again. Yeah, and so he's going to be printed, 280 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: and so they'll have that information too, but they will 281 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: compare his handwriting. And we all have tendencies. Do you know, 282 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: Dave that years ago, a lot of these people that 283 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: do prints, I mean that do handwriting examinations, they felt 284 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: as though that they could use they could regionalize your handwriting, 285 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: like they could get an idea as to where you 286 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: learn to write, or who taught you how to write, 287 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: based upon you know, like if it was your parent 288 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: or whether it was your teacher. That's like in my 289 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: day slapping the back of your hand with a ruler, 290 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: which did happen when you're forming your letters. There's a 291 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: couple of old texts. You've got the Palmer text and 292 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the zay I'm going to pronounce it's wrong, the Zaaner 293 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: blowser blauser. Matter of fact, famously in uh In Forgiving 294 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: If I've mentioned this before. I love this movie Driving 295 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: Miss Daisy. Yeah, Miss Daisy gives Hope a present and 296 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: she said, that's a Zaaner writer. And when she says that, 297 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: that's something that handwriter, handwriting examiners actually go back to 298 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: because it's like those formed letters that you saw, incursive 299 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: or you learn how to write out of these things. Well, 300 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: there's certain ways that you learn how to write, and 301 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: you can these people can look at your writing even 302 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: as an adult. And if they can take your six 303 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: year old handwriting and they can, do you know that 304 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: they can actually find similarities. Wow, yeah, your handwriting evolves, 305 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: but there are just certain things that they'd look for. 306 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: It's really hard to escape, it really is. But I'm 307 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: sorry I could. I'm you know, having a. 308 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: Literally revisiting this. 309 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: We will revisit this on our John beIN a Ramsey 310 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: episode coming up. 311 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we will, we will because there's a lot. 312 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: There's a lot in there, so they will be using. 313 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: Over the course of the next several weeks and months, 314 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: they will be breaking down each aspect of the evidence 315 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: that they've announced already. 316 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, there's gonna be DNA too. Yeah, I think 317 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a DNA. I don't know what purpose 318 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: it will necessarily serve, but they I guess as a 319 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: confirmatory test. And I think that they said they were 320 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: running DNA. So you're going to get that off of 321 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: the h And let's just say, like, for instance, that 322 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: kind bar that you mentioned, let's see, I know, because 323 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: it's something you just told me. You're You're a big 324 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: fan of Reese's cups, aren't you. 325 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 3: Oh? 326 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I dig them too. So most of 327 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: the time when we eat our If you eat a 328 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: Reese's cup, okay, do you when you you actually have 329 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: it in the cut, you know, the little paper cup, right, 330 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: do you take it completely out of the cup or 331 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: do you peel the cup back and then take a 332 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: bite of it and then roll it back up in 333 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the cup, or do you just completely extricate it from that. 334 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: You actually take it out of the wrapper. I've never 335 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: been able to wait that long. I just I suck 336 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: the whole thing down. I eat that brown wrapper. Man, 337 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: can't help me. 338 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: However, think about a candy ball. 339 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you peel it off, Yeah, but you do you 340 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: peel it. 341 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: Out like a banana. Right, you guess what you do 342 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: if you're feeling it like a banana, Well, you can 343 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: actually leave spittle the interior of that wrapper. And again 344 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: that's a that's a sort of area for DNA. 345 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: When you were telling me about the Reese's peanut butter 346 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: cup right then, all I was thinking of the most 347 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: frustrating thing of eating those is when you do peel 348 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: it off, there the little cup it sitting in, and 349 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 2: you realize there's some chocolate that's. 350 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 3: In the bottom, and it's like, it's to deal with that. 351 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm such a child. I'm gonna lick 352 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: that if nobody's looking. 353 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not telling no man. If you do it, 354 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: God speed go with you. 355 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: So there you go. 356 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean they're gonna look, they're gonna 357 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: look for and again that goes to this, it's gonna 358 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: be funny. As careful as this individual alleged perpetrator has 359 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: apparently been from what we've been told, what we've seen, 360 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, the devil again is in the details, 361 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, those little things that you that you leave 362 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: behind that you just did not you didn't count on 363 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And I still I'm still not completely 364 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: convinced that maybe some people want to be caught that manifesto, Dave. 365 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: I tell you, man, it is going to be picked 366 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: down to the bone from all types of behaviorists that 367 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: are out there. You know, I'm sure that the people 368 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: that do psychological profiling are salivating over the scene to 369 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: see what kind of nuggets, you know, that they can 370 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: kind of conjure up out of the scene to develop, 371 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, some type of understanding. Because one of the 372 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: biggest things about this case, and something that you had 373 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: said from the top of the show that I did 374 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: not read until today that was quite amazing to me. 375 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: It's the fact that he was not a customer of 376 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: United Healthcare. And I'm thinking, what's your beef at this 377 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: point in time, what's your beef? Did you suddenly manifest 378 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: this beef as you're luxuriating on the beautiful sand beaches 379 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: in Hawaii? 380 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, when you say you know, where's the beef? 381 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: That's actually been bottom line for all of law enforcement, 382 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, what was the point, why did he pick 383 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: Brian Thompson, and why did he pick it at that time? Actually, 384 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: the timing maybe oddly pointed out that he in his 385 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: Spiral notebook he talks about how he procrastinated, So this 386 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: has been something he'd been planning for some time, long 387 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: enough that he could have procrastinated and learned. More to 388 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: the federal criminal complaint that has been unsealed. Now he's 389 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: charged with murder through the use of a firearm, two 390 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: stocking charges in firearms offense, and he actually can now 391 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: face the death penalty if he's found guilty of the 392 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: federal murder charges. The state charges carry a maximum penalty 393 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: of life in prison without the possibility of parole. Prosecutors 394 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: have not indicated whether they're going to seek the death penalty. 395 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: That decision would ultimately need to be approved by the 396 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: US Attorney General. Of course, he faces charges in Pennsylvania 397 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: due to the three D printed firearm false IDs he had, 398 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: and the state and federal trials are going to work 399 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: in parallel, according to the Manhattan DA's office, and the 400 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: state trial will come before his federal trial. So that 401 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: kind of lays out what we're looking at the push 402 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: for the federal charges came from the US Attorney's office 403 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: multiple law enforcement sources to confirm this already. Because the 404 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: FBI was already involved in the investigation, assisting the NYPD 405 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: with out of town leads, the FBI agents were asked 406 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: to draw up the federal complaint based on evidence collected 407 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: by the NYPD, detectives working on the state charges, and 408 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: police in Pennsylvania who arrested Mangonies. See, you've got multiple 409 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: state and local agencies working to provide information for the 410 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: FBI that would be used in filing the federal charges. 411 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: The federal prosecutors say that they have jurisdiction in the 412 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: case because Manngoni's travel in interstate commerce. He took a 413 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: bus from Atlanta to New York prior to the killing. 414 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: He then used the. 415 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: Interstate facilities using cell phone and the internet to plan 416 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: and carry out the stalking, shooting, and killing of Thompson 417 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: in Manhattan. One other thing to look at this is 418 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: that spiral notebook that Mangoni had when he was when 419 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: he was caught and when they took a look at this, 420 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: and it really did bring out something. The writing in 421 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: the notebook helped investigators build the federal case against him, 422 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 2: it ended up being a well planned homicide involving stalking 423 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: the movements of his alleged victim. There was an entry 424 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 2: in the Spiral notebook dated August fifteenth that reads, quote 425 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: the details are finally coming together unquote now according to 426 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: the federal complaint, it also says, I'm glad in a 427 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: way that I've procrastinated. Mangoni allegedly wrote in this notebook 428 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: he's you know that it gave him time to learn 429 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: more about the company he was targeting, and then they 430 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: redacted the name of the company. Could have been a 431 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: company any other than the one that Brian Thompson was 432 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: the CEO. I don't know, but the notebook actually says this, 433 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: The target is insurance because it checks every box. The 434 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: notebook also contained several handwritten pages that express hostility towards 435 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: the health insurance industry and wealthy executives, in particular. 436 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 3: You want to know where's the beef. Maybe there's the beef. 437 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I mean, why why Brian Thompson? 438 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Was he an easy target? Was he somebody that had 439 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: singled out? Did he read something in the news, you know, 440 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: you talked about the stock thing and all the sorts 441 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: of things, and I don't even know if that was 442 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: necessarily broadly known. And I think the other thing that's 443 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: really kind of fascinating about this, they've talked about how 444 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: information was contained in there in the manifesto. I believe 445 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong where he said he did 446 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: not want to use a bomb because he didn't want 447 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: to harm innocence. David, I'm wondering. I'm really wondering, and 448 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: I hope that they do this or there are other 449 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: people on the list. Was Brian Thompson just the easiest 450 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: person to get to, you know? 451 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, we have danced around the manifesto, but 452 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: we've got one here that, based on everything we've seen 453 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: thus far, this is it. So here is the manifesto. Okay, 454 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: to the best of our ability to confirm. 455 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: This is it. This is what it says. 456 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: Quote to the FEDS. I'll keep this short because I 457 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: do respect what you do for our country. To save 458 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't 459 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: working with anyone. This was fairly trivial, some elementary social engineering, 460 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook if present, 461 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: has some straggling notes and to do lists that illuminate 462 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down 463 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: because I work in engineering, so probably not much info there. 464 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: I do apologize for any strife of traumas, but it 465 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: had to be done. United is the indecipherable largest company 466 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. 467 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: It has grown and grown, but has our life expectancy. 468 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 3: No. 469 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: The reality is these indecipherable have simply gotten too powerful, 470 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit 471 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: because the American public has allowed them to get away 472 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: with it. Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I 473 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: did not have space, and frankly I did not pretend 474 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: to be the most qualified person to lay out the 475 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed E. 476 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: G Rosenthal more decades ago, and the problem simply remain. 477 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: It is not an issue of awareness at this point, 478 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the 479 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: first to face it with such brutal honesty. That is 480 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: the manifesto. 481 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: One of the other things that I've heard is that 482 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these people that occupy these spaces now 483 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: at other healthcare companies have scrubbed their biographical information. Now 484 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: they've completely come down. You know, their LinkedIn stuff is 485 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: not available, you know, and I guarantee you the security 486 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: apparatus that surrounds these individuals has been kicked up. I'm 487 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: still to this, you know. I see these I see 488 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: these movie stars that are on television and listen, or 489 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: that are walking the carpet and all this stuff, and 490 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: they've got these huge you know, they look like they're 491 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: probably former special operations people, you know, with dark sunglasses 492 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: and you know, all beefed up and everything. And listen. 493 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to degrade these individuals as human beings, 494 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: but from a value standpoint, and what type of anger 495 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: people might have directed at these individuals, maybe because of 496 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: some kind of tweet that they made or something. That's 497 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: nothing compared to the anger that people have directed at 498 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: people in the healthcare industry, in the health insurance industry. 499 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: Because you've got people out there that have sustained pain 500 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and it's a longgoing and they've had to mortgage their 501 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: homes and all these sorts of things. And I'm really thinking, 502 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: why didn't this guy have a security detail? At least 503 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: one guy with him. Why was there not somebody walking 504 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: on his shoulder, you know, as he is going down 505 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: the street. Why had the street not been checked out? 506 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Why and the door been checked out? Because that's a 507 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: common thing, protecting a principle as they're walking along. I'm 508 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: really wondering about that. I've done some digging and the 509 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: person that's in charge of the security internationally for United 510 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: Healthcare was hired back in twenty twenty three, and I'm 511 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: sure that there have probably been a myriad of questions 512 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: that have been asked of that individual. But here's the 513 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: story moving forward. My partner Dave and I have spent 514 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I guess the past week probably now many hours covering 515 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: this case. Dave has done all of this hard work 516 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: for Nancy Grace. I've covered it on multiple other platforms. 517 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: This is not the end of the story. This is 518 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: only the beginning, and I urge each and every one 519 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: of you to keep your eye on the news because 520 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: there has already been another threat and another arrest made 521 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: in regards to someone that has threatened somebody else in 522 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: the healthcare industry. I pray, I pray that we're not 523 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: going to see any copycats out there. I'm Joseph Scott 524 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is bodybacks.