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Speaker 1: This is The Daily Show with your host Michael Tuft.
Speaker 1: WHOA Yes, Welcome to the Brow Show. I'm Michael Toska.
Speaker 1: We have so much to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2: The Olympics has big dick energy, conservatives are finally interested
Speaker 2: in women's sports, and RFK Junior just lost his endorsement
Speaker 2: from Smokey Bear.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the headlines.
Speaker 2: Let's get things off with the Olympics, a gathering of
Speaker 2: the world's greatest as fleets and also some people who
Speaker 2: own horses. Now, I've been super interested in these Olympics,
Speaker 2: mostly because I bet my daughter's college tuition on mixed
Speaker 2: doubles badminton. But it's fine, She's not really an academic kid,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. So so far it's been incredible. Now,
Speaker 2: not the badminton, that's a stupid sport, but the real sports,
Speaker 2: like the men's one hundred meters finals were on Sunday,
Speaker 2: where American Noah Lyles got the gold medal by five
Speaker 2: thousands of a second. Yeah, do you realize how little
Speaker 2: time that is that's five thousands of a second. I
Speaker 2: just said it. Pay attention. This was the closest finish
Speaker 2: in over forty years. And I don't want to take
Speaker 2: anything away from Noah Lyles, but isn't this a tie?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do we even have ties for if
Speaker 2: we're not going to pull it out for stuff like this.
Speaker 2: I mean, in fact, if you were watching this with
Speaker 2: just your eyes, all these guys finished at the same time.
Speaker 2: If these guys were trains, no one would say my
Speaker 2: train was late. Right. Another Olympic moment getting a lot
Speaker 2: of attention is the pole vaulter who knocked the bar over.
Speaker 1: With his large penis.
Speaker 2: Now, if you haven't heard about this story, do not
Speaker 2: google penis Olympics will That'll take you to the wrong website.
Speaker 1: What can I say? I like to do my own research, But.
Speaker 2: You also don't really need to google it, because that's
Speaker 2: the whole story.
Speaker 1: A pole vaulter lost when his giant schlong.
Speaker 2: Got hot on the crossbar, and according to the rules
Speaker 2: of pole vaulting, you're allowed to touch the crossbar, but
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to fuck it.
Speaker 1: So he lost.
Speaker 2: But this has gotta be the best possible way to
Speaker 2: lose you know, yeah, I would have won if it
Speaker 2: weren't for this damn massive had In fact, this is
Speaker 2: the only event where the guy who won probably felt bad, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, my dick is good too. I will say
Speaker 2: next Olympics, this guy should compete in the one hundred meters.
Speaker 1: He'd win from ten feet back.
Speaker 2: Oh look, oh, everyone loves a good whole vaulting dick joke.
Speaker 2: But look to this athlete. And I know this is tough,
Speaker 2: but I'll say to you what I say to the
Speaker 2: little league team I coach. It's not whether you win
Speaker 2: or lose, it's how gigantic everyone knows your penis is.
Speaker 2: But the biggest story so far is about Algerian boxer
Speaker 2: Iman Khalif, who's been doing a great job in the
Speaker 2: women's boxing tournament.
Speaker 1: Some people would say too good.
Speaker 3: Some critics questioning whether he Leif should have been allowed
Speaker 3: to compete in that ring at all, and claiming that
Speaker 3: Klif is a man or transgender, something IOC officials have
Speaker 3: emphatically denied.
Speaker 4: Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her
Speaker 4: life as a female, boxed as a female, has a
Speaker 4: female possible. This is not a transgender case.
Speaker 1: Seems pretty open and shut to me.
Speaker 2: Right, she was born a woman, lives as a woman,
Speaker 2: and boxes other women.
Speaker 1: So what is the argument against that? This is such
Speaker 1: an outrage? Look at this. This is a man.
Speaker 5: This is a man who is competing in the boxing
Speaker 5: tournament for women.
Speaker 1: No, she's not. She's a woman.
Speaker 2: She's a woman like you, Megan Kelly, a woman at
Speaker 2: the peak of her career.
Speaker 1: Unlike Megan Kelly.
Speaker 2: But she she still is a woman.
Speaker 5: You easily could just say, listen, you could only fight
Speaker 5: and compete in the gender.
Speaker 1: In which you were born. Those are just the rules,
Speaker 1: end of story. Forget a ending.
Speaker 2: Okay, but those rules would still let her box with women,
Speaker 2: because again, she's a woman. She's fought as a woman
Speaker 2: her whole life. She's even lost to other female boxers
Speaker 2: nine times.
Speaker 1: What more do you want?
Speaker 2: Does Fox News need the ghost of Roger Ales to
Speaker 2: sexually harass her?
Speaker 1: First, she's a woman.
Speaker 6: Okay, looks like a duck, wax like a duck, walks
Speaker 6: like a duck, and punches like a duck.
Speaker 7: I think it's a duck, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, look, so she's not a duck. Okay, she's a woman.
Speaker 2: You're not making me question whether I know what a
Speaker 2: woman is. You're making me question whether you know what a.
Speaker 1: Duck is.
Speaker 2: Because again, this female boxer is female. Can we stop
Speaker 2: this before America turns into a presidential campaign issue?
Speaker 7: The far left wants to allow biological males to beat
Speaker 7: the living crap out of woman in boxing?
Speaker 2: Is that really what this race is going to be about?
Speaker 2: Jd Vance is going to be on the campaign trail.
Speaker 2: Like you know, when I was growing up in the haller,
Speaker 2: the one thing we cared about was international women's boxing regulations.
Speaker 1: By the way, if.
Speaker 2: Conservatives are so concerned with women's safety, maybe can consider
Speaker 2: caring about it outside of sports. There are women, There
Speaker 2: are women in America who are like, help me, I'm
Speaker 2: having an ectopic pregnancy, and conservatives they're like, shut up,
Speaker 2: we're trying to protect women over here.
Speaker 1: Look, guys, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this elite athlete does not look the way you
Speaker 2: think a woman should look. But a woman is allowed
Speaker 2: to be dominating and powerful at a sport without you
Speaker 2: questioning her gender because don't forget these guys. Don't forget
Speaker 2: these guys dragged her, an Algerian female boxer, into their
Speaker 2: American conservative culture work and if they're gonna use her
Speaker 2: as a metaphorical punching bag, the least they can do
Speaker 2: is step into the ring and.
Speaker 1: Let her use them as a literal punching back. I
Speaker 1: bet they weren't even laugh aloud.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the presidential race. Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris is set to announce her running mate at any moment,
Speaker 2: and to balance out the ticket, it'll most likely be
Speaker 2: a white guy like Josh Shapiro, Tim Walls or the
Speaker 2: pole vaulter dude with the penis. But let's put that
Speaker 2: beast to use breaking the glass sailing. If you guys
Speaker 2: love a pull vault vic Joe huh yeah. Meanwhile, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has backed out of the September debate he had
Speaker 2: previously agreed on and is now saying, well, only debate
Speaker 2: Kamala if it's in a pact arena moderated.
Speaker 1: By Fox News.
Speaker 2: Also, at any point in the debate, he gets to
Speaker 2: call the cops on her for loitering. Also, it's not
Speaker 2: a debate, it's golf. But look, I'm actually sympathetic to Trump.
Speaker 2: Don't forget he agreed to this debate against Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: If I agreed to wrestle an old man and then
Speaker 2: at the last second he taps in a younger opponent
Speaker 2: whose knees actually work.
Speaker 1: I might also object, but look.
Speaker 2: Wrangling over a debate choosing a VP candidate.
Speaker 1: These are our normal campaign stories.
Speaker 2: And since this race has already been so crazy with
Speaker 2: Trump getting shot, Biden dropping out, jd Vance being jd Vance,
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that we finally have a normal presidential
Speaker 2: race with normal presidential stories.
Speaker 8: Right breaking overnight, RFK Junior confesses to leaving a dead
Speaker 8: bear cub in Central Park. Why he said he did
Speaker 8: not have the time to skin and eat it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: What's worse that RFK Junior dumped a dead bear cub
Speaker 2: in Central Park that he said he only did it
Speaker 2: because he didn't have time to eat it.
Speaker 1: Let me just back up here.
Speaker 2: This happened back in twenty fourteen, and I remember when
Speaker 2: they found that dead bear, because you find dead bodies
Speaker 2: in Central Park all the time, but.
Speaker 1: They're usually tourists, so nobody cares.
Speaker 2: But but a bear, now that's memorable A decade ago?
Speaker 7: Is Central Park mystery baffled New Yorkers captured headline across
Speaker 7: the country.
Speaker 5: Please now want to know how the bear died and
Speaker 5: how it got into the park.
Speaker 1: Now we know. Robert F.
Speaker 7: Kennedy Junior, the Independent presidential candidate, says he brought the
Speaker 7: dead bear to Central Park. In the videotaped confession, Kennedy
Speaker 7: recounts the strange tale to controversial comedian Roseanne Barr.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry he's admitting this to Roseanne Barr in
Speaker 2: a kitchen over a plate of flintstone ribs.
Speaker 1: I mean, what has happened?
Speaker 2: Does he think it will sound more normal if he's
Speaker 2: telling it to a crazy person.
Speaker 1: You know, let's not judge him too fast.
Speaker 2: Let's hear him tell Roseanne Barr how he ended up
Speaker 2: dumping a dead bear cub in Central Park.
Speaker 1: I was staying in a.
Speaker 9: Group of people of Incosi into York Und Valley.
Speaker 1: Great start.
Speaker 2: I was out falconing with my friends. So far, very
Speaker 2: relatable story.
Speaker 9: Woman in front of me hit him bear and killed it,
Speaker 9: a young bear. So I pulled over and I picked
Speaker 9: up the bear and put him in the back of
Speaker 9: my van because I was going to skin the bear,
Speaker 9: and it was very good condition and I was just
Speaker 9: going to end and with the meat my refrigerator, and
Speaker 9: you can do that in New York. Say you can
Speaker 9: get a bear a tag for a road killed bear.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You saw Paddington get t boned and your first thought
Speaker 2: was pause the falconing. We got to get that bear
Speaker 2: in this car to skin and eat it, which, for
Speaker 2: some reason I know is legal in the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that tracks that track. Sorry, I keep going.
Speaker 9: We had a really good day and we went late.
Speaker 9: We were catching a lot of game, and instead of
Speaker 9: going back to my home in Westchester, I had to
Speaker 9: go right to the city because there was a dinner
Speaker 9: I had Peter Luger Steakhouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's just do a quick recap.
Speaker 2: All right, he already spent all day hunting game with
Speaker 2: falcon He's on his way to eat a steak, which
Speaker 2: is a dead cow. But on the way he had
Speaker 2: to stop and pick up a dead bear. And this
Speaker 2: is the environmental candidate. Oh and by the way, and
Speaker 2: by the way, Peter Luger's steakhouse.
Speaker 1: It's a fancy steakhouse.
Speaker 2: It's not a place where people pull up to the
Speaker 2: valet with the bear cubs hang out of the backseat. Hey,
Speaker 2: here's the keys. Don't steal the rotting bear. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: eat that.
Speaker 9: And at the end of the dinner, it went late
Speaker 9: and I realized I couldn't go home. I'd go to
Speaker 9: the airport, and the bear was in my car and
Speaker 9: I didn't want to leave the bear in the car.
Speaker 1: That would have been bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, do you and why your car
Speaker 2: to smell like rotting bear?
Speaker 1: Then people might think you're a sociopath.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That still doesn't explain why he dumped it in Central Park.
Speaker 9: There's been a series of bicycle accidents New York Day
Speaker 9: put in the bike lanes and so people, a couple
Speaker 9: of people are kind of killed. And it was every day,
Speaker 9: and people un badly injured every day. It was in
Speaker 9: the press, and I said, I am an old bike
Speaker 9: in my card. If somebody that is when you get
Speaker 9: rid of it, I said, let's go put the bear
Speaker 9: in Central Park and we'll make it look like.
Speaker 2: Oh, ha ha ha, you were making a joke about
Speaker 2: all the people killed by bicycles.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2: Roseanne gets it, don't you, Roseanne? Can you imagine how
Speaker 2: weird you have to be for Roseanne to look at
Speaker 2: you like you're crazy? Honestly, I feel bad for her.
Speaker 2: She probably thought she was doing a cameo on the bear.
Speaker 2: None of this story makes sense if he was late
Speaker 2: to the airport. You don't drive into the heart of
Speaker 2: Manhattan to dump a dead bear. You dump it in
Speaker 2: the East River, and or you just bring it on
Speaker 2: the airplane. You call your emotional support, bear carcass go
Speaker 2: let it on.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I will say this, I am one of those people
Speaker 2: who hates the two party system, but if this is
Speaker 2: the candidate of the third party, I say, screw it.
Speaker 1: Let's just have a king.
Speaker 2: For more on this extremely strange story. Let's go out
Speaker 2: to RFK headquarters with Desi Leideck. This is a really
Speaker 2: disturbing story RFK told.
Speaker 5: Actually consta the campaign is feeling quite confident about how
Speaker 5: RFK handled this potential pr crisis. It's like he saw
Speaker 5: a story by the side of the road and said,
Speaker 5: I can make a meal.
Speaker 1: Out of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So RFK thinks that filming that video with Roseannebart was
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. By telling the story to a comedian, he transformed
Speaker 5: it from disturbing story to funny anecdote. And word is
Speaker 5: he's sticking with that strategy going forward. In fact, I'm
Speaker 5: hearing that he just confessed that he was the diarrhea
Speaker 5: guy who did diarrhea on that diarrhea plane.
Speaker 2: Wait, that plane last year that landed because a guy
Speaker 2: had diarrhea all over the aisle.
Speaker 1: RFK was that guy. That's right, That's right.
Speaker 5: He just sat down in Rob Schneider's garage to tell
Speaker 5: him the story. See, he was falconing along the Hudson
Speaker 5: when he found a bunch of loose Deli meats by
Speaker 5: the river, and he was gonna throw it out, but
Speaker 5: he was running late, so he just ate all of it,
Speaker 5: jumped on the plane, and the rest is history. You know,
Speaker 5: a lot of people would be embarrassed, but RFK is
Speaker 5: just putting it all out there, just like he did
Speaker 5: on that plane.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a lot for the American people
Speaker 2: to process right after the Bear thing.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 5: But just wait until they hear about how he caused
Speaker 5: the BP oil spill in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: Deep Water Horizon. He caused that. Calm down.
Speaker 5: He just finished explaining it in Adam Carolla's gazebo. It's
Speaker 5: a funny story. See what happened was RFK was flamingoing upstate,
Speaker 5: and then he came across the lion giving birth. He
Speaker 5: wanted to collect the placenta and Mason jars for smoothies,
Speaker 5: but he had a train to catch in six and
Speaker 5: a half minutes.
Speaker 1: So what are you.
Speaker 2: Even talking about? These aren't cute, charming stories. They're bizarre
Speaker 2: and creepy.
Speaker 5: Oh well, you are not gonna like the twitch live
Speaker 5: stream he did from Kratop's Tomato guard.
Speaker 1: Oh my, what did he even talk about? Oh?
Speaker 5: Oh, this one's real fun. See what happened was RFK
Speaker 5: was swan tipping Upstaate. He worked up quite the appetite
Speaker 5: because those swans don't go down without a fight. So
Speaker 5: he scoured the local highway for food, but sadly, nothing
Speaker 5: adorable had been hit by a car. Then he realized
Speaker 5: he was already on a flight to Wuhan, where he
Speaker 5: then went to a wet market with no shoes on.
Speaker 2: Are you telling me RFK started the COVID pandemic by
Speaker 2: going bare foot in a wet market.
Speaker 5: Well, when you put it that way, it's much less money.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not Roseanne?
Speaker 1: Does he link? Everyone?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll talk to Roxanne gang, don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere?
Speaker 1: Is that true? Welcome back to the Daily Show. My
Speaker 1: guest tonight is a.
Speaker 2: Best selling author, publisher, and a professor whose new ebook
Speaker 2: is called Stand Your Ground, a Black feminist reckoning with
Speaker 2: America's gun problem. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Wow, All right,
Speaker 2: what what made you want to write this piece about guns?
Speaker 1: A lot of different things.
Speaker 6: But my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic
Speaker 6: about guns, which was weird because nobody in my family
Speaker 6: cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did
Speaker 6: this come from? And he kept trying to get my
Speaker 6: other brother and I to buy a gun, and we
Speaker 6: were like, huh no, we're good. And finally he broke
Speaker 6: us all down, and so I got my first gun.
Speaker 6: And one of the things I noticed at the gun
Speaker 6: store and at the gun range was that there were
Speaker 6: a lot of people of color, and black women in particular,
Speaker 6: And so I thought, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 2: Other than the obvious, Well, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 6: Black women, I think, are buying guns simply because we
Speaker 6: often recognize that if we don't protect ourselves, no one
Speaker 6: else will. A lot of times it's that we don't
Speaker 6: trust that the police will come to our homes and
Speaker 6: protect us. And in fact, Sonya Massey's murder recently bears
Speaker 6: that out among many others. And so I think it's
Speaker 6: not a form of empowerment, which I think is overused
Speaker 6: and cheesy, but it is a form of protection and
Speaker 6: recognizing that sometimes you have to take your own defense
Speaker 6: in your own hands.
Speaker 2: There's something beautiful about a bunch of white male forefathers
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty years ago not envisioning black and
Speaker 2: brown people at the shooting range.
Speaker 1: I know, was it beautiful?
Speaker 8: Was that?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that there's a lot to be
Speaker 6: said about the founders and their lack of vision. I
Speaker 6: mean people always talk about no, I mean, how much.
Speaker 1: Vision they have.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment
Speaker 2: wasn't written for black people.
Speaker 6: It wasn't written for black people, it wasn't written for women.
Speaker 6: They saw us as only three fifths of a person.
Speaker 6: So I guess we could only use three fifths of
Speaker 6: a musket. But now you know, if the Second Amendment
Speaker 6: applies to white men, it applies to all of us.
Speaker 1: And I you know, do you?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's fun about this essay is it's not
Speaker 2: you writing about people that own guns.
Speaker 1: You you bought a gun. I did.
Speaker 2: Back to your first gun, the Baretta was a little
Speaker 2: too big. Then you bought a different gun.
Speaker 6: So big, kind of like the pull vaulter, What can
Speaker 6: you do?
Speaker 1: What's it like buying a gun?
Speaker 2: I know that you know half the country's going to
Speaker 2: hear that question and laugh and like do you not?
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that don't. I have
Speaker 2: I even know how to buy a gun. What was
Speaker 2: it like buying a gun for you?
Speaker 6: Well, I live in California most of the time, and
Speaker 6: so it's kind of a pain.
Speaker 1: But it should be like it should be to buy
Speaker 1: a gun. To buy a gun, it's also a process.
Speaker 6: You have to take a little test, which is fine.
Speaker 6: It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in
Speaker 6: your car beforehand, and you fill out an application, you
Speaker 6: get a background check, and then ten days after you
Speaker 6: do all of that, you can pick up the gun,
Speaker 6: which I think is great. Take us some time. I
Speaker 6: really think through like do I really need this? Or
Speaker 6: am I angry?
Speaker 1: I mean, a gun destroys things.
Speaker 6: It does, it takes people's lives, It causes grievous injuries.
Speaker 6: You know, we talk a lot about the people who
Speaker 6: die from gun violence, but there are people whose lives
Speaker 6: are irrevocable, irrevocably changed because of really bad injuries, the
Speaker 6: loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you
Speaker 6: really have to think very carefully about why you would
Speaker 6: welcome a weapon like this into your home.
Speaker 1: But we don't have children.
Speaker 6: If we have children, it would be a complete nonstarter.
Speaker 2: Well, how did you, and maybe I'm asking selfishly, how
Speaker 2: did you or was it hard to convince your wife
Speaker 2: to have a gun in the house.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Surprisingly, but that's another consideration consideration.
Speaker 6: If she said no, the answer would be no. But
Speaker 6: she's a lifelong New Yorker, so.
Speaker 1: She's not afraid of a good fight.
Speaker 2: And she's like, why I need a gun.
Speaker 1: I'm in New York. I'll do all. She doesn't need
Speaker 1: a gun at all.
Speaker 6: She doesn't even need her fists. She has a very
Speaker 6: capable mouth.
Speaker 8: What.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave that there. What has.
Speaker 2: What did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about
Speaker 2: America's gun epidemic in this process?
Speaker 6: I learned so much and I think everyone, I mean,
Speaker 6: we read the statistics every single time. There is a
Speaker 6: horrific crime, and nothing ever changes. But there are more
Speaker 6: guns than people in this country nuts, which cannot possibly
Speaker 6: be the case, but yet it is. And only about
Speaker 6: thirty five percent of Americans own guns, which is to
Speaker 6: say that the people who own guns really really love
Speaker 6: their guns, and they own a whole lot of them.
Speaker 6: And that really surprised me, because when you listen to
Speaker 6: the NRA and other lobbyists talk about gun ownership, they
Speaker 6: really make it seem like everyone's kind of like walking
Speaker 6: around with a gun in their purse or in the
Speaker 6: back of their genes. And that's not the case, nor
Speaker 6: should it be, And yet that's what we hear that
Speaker 6: so many people own guns. Now, it's a choice that
Speaker 6: some people make, and yet those people get a disproportionate
Speaker 6: amount of our cultural attention.
Speaker 2: One thing that really resonated with me in the essay
Speaker 2: was when you went to the shooting range and you
Speaker 2: almost you were mentioning the shooting instructure. Raoul, I'm not
Speaker 2: how obsessed he was with safety.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I loved hearing that. Oh yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think so hardcore.
Speaker 2: But I mean, is this side of gun ownership isn't
Speaker 2: always told a lot of responsible gun owners are obsessed
Speaker 2: with safety.
Speaker 1: Share a little bit of that experience with you.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 6: When you hear about gun violence in general, it's irresponsible
Speaker 6: gun owners. It's people who don't know how to handle
Speaker 6: it properly. But before we even went to the range,
Speaker 6: we took some classes because we're nerds, and we sat
Speaker 6: in an actual classroom and he was like, here are
Speaker 6: the four rules of gun safety. Write it down, which
Speaker 6: I did, and it was really heartening to see that
Speaker 6: there is a responsible way to go about this, that
Speaker 6: you don't have to be casual, you don't have to
Speaker 6: be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves but
Speaker 6: the people in your household and also your community by
Speaker 6: being responsible and also you know, locking up your guns.
Speaker 1: Do you feel safer owning a gun?
Speaker 6: No, not really, but that's because I know what happens
Speaker 6: to legal gun ownership for black people when the police
Speaker 6: are involved. So well, not necessarily, but I do feel
Speaker 6: like I get a lot of death threats.
Speaker 1: That's what precipitates. Yeah, that's what I want.
Speaker 2: I mean, what you know, I have friends that say
Speaker 2: they own guns for defense of their home, and I
Speaker 2: kind of laugh. Because you live on ten acres, you
Speaker 2: don't even have a neighbor. But when you were describing
Speaker 2: in the book that you get true death threats and
Speaker 2: people threatening your wife, that's different.
Speaker 6: Now it's different, and it starts to get closer and
Speaker 6: closer to home. And as the threats became more and
Speaker 6: more specific, particularly during COVID, I just thought, man, am
Speaker 6: I going to sit around and wait for something to
Speaker 6: happen or not? But the thing that makes me feel
Speaker 6: most safest. We also got a dog during COVID, and
Speaker 6: he weighs nine pounds, yeah, and thinks he weighs ninety.
Speaker 6: And he lets us know when someone's even thinking about
Speaker 6: the house. And so that's actually what makes me feel safe.
Speaker 6: Like I don't know if I can stop something, but Max,
Speaker 6: our dog, Maximus Toretto Blueberry, he's absolutely going to let
Speaker 6: us know.
Speaker 2: I mean, in some states there's more regulations about dog
Speaker 2: adoption than getting a gun.
Speaker 6: Yes, right, And in some states women have more rights
Speaker 6: as gun owners than they do as women or people
Speaker 6: with uteruses.
Speaker 2: You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely
Speaker 2: a political act. White gun ownership is generally taken as
Speaker 2: an inalienable right.
Speaker 6: Explain that to me, absolutely, we tend to look at
Speaker 6: the Bill of Rights almost of the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they're getting close from clotheser.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know we treat those Bill of Rights
Speaker 6: as inalienable. But the further you get from a white, heterosexual,
Speaker 6: cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights,
Speaker 6: and the more you are considered sort of an anomaly
Speaker 6: when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And
Speaker 6: I'm not the kind of person who's going to wrap
Speaker 6: myself in the Second Amendment. I think that no one
Speaker 6: should be able to own a gun, and if they
Speaker 6: want to come take it, like, feel free. But that said,
Speaker 6: as long as the right is there, I think there
Speaker 6: are many black gun owners who say why not. And
Speaker 6: some people are shooting enthusiasts. Some people are concerned with
Speaker 6: self defense and home protection, and there's room for all
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 1: We contain multitudes.
Speaker 2: I love in your essay you reminded all of us
Speaker 2: that the Second Amendment is twenty seven words.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 6: It is shocking given how often people talk about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like, hey, guys, we need
Speaker 2: a little more clarity.
Speaker 1: You would think, would we be like a little more specific.
Speaker 6: But also in seventeen eighty seven when they were writing
Speaker 6: those twenty seven words, it must get took a long
Speaker 6: time to load, and it only shot one bullet at
Speaker 6: a time. I don't think that the founding fathers could
Speaker 6: have begun to imagine what that gun would become. And
Speaker 6: the fact that we decided collectively that we were okay
Speaker 6: with not regulating weapons of mass destruction is something that
Speaker 6: astonishes me every single day.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about stand your ground, and you know, you
Speaker 1: dive into it in the essay.
Speaker 2: It feels kind of actually when you start to think, oh,
Speaker 2: we actually put a law on the books that you're
Speaker 2: allowed to kill somebody. Should it you know, should it
Speaker 2: be more inclusive? Should it be taken off the books?
Speaker 2: I mean, what is a thought you have on standard ground?
Speaker 6: I think it should be more specific, and I think
Speaker 6: that if it applies to one person, it should apply
Speaker 6: to everyone. Like George Zimmerman used stan your ground as
Speaker 6: his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin, but Marissa Alexander also
Speaker 6: used stan your ground. She was a legal gun owner
Speaker 6: who shot in the air away from her former partner
Speaker 6: who was menacing her and against whom she had a
Speaker 6: restraining order and she spent five years in jail and
Speaker 6: house under house arrest because of that, and so when
Speaker 6: black people try to stand their ground in general, it
Speaker 6: is used against them, and so that's really what we
Speaker 6: have to change. But I also don't think we should
Speaker 6: be given carte blanche to take other people's lives.
Speaker 1: You have you painted well.
Speaker 2: You shared a lot of examples that I was unfamiliar with,
Speaker 2: and it's a great read. Kamala Harris, how you feeling,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling great as.
Speaker 1: As a black.
Speaker 2: Woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that pertains, it actually doesn't protect.
Speaker 6: However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden
Speaker 6: to step down, but I was excited when he did.
Speaker 6: I think that Vice President Harris is going to be
Speaker 6: a very interesting president. I think we have an opportunity.
Speaker 6: For so long we've been told we have to wait
Speaker 6: till twenty twenty four, four, twenty thirty two to twenty forty.
Speaker 6: Who knows for real political change. And even in the
Speaker 6: run up to Harris becoming the nominee, people were saying
Speaker 6: that she's not a viable candidate, like what about Gavin Newsome,
Speaker 6: what about Gretchen Whitmer, and so I think it is
Speaker 6: a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: and what kind of president would she be? And we
Speaker 6: don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think
Speaker 6: we can ask her genuine political questions about where she
Speaker 6: stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now,
Speaker 6: whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country,
Speaker 6: transgender rights, and it's a very long list, but I
Speaker 6: am encouraged. I think she's going to do the job
Speaker 6: extremely well. I don't think that she's going to make
Speaker 6: everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible for a president,
Speaker 6: and look at the alternative.
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