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Speaker 2: Full house again today as everybody's back from the combine,
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Speaker 2: a phenomenal hour talking about draft prospects with Bobby Belt,
Speaker 2: Nick Harris, Brian Protess, Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yellman's glad
Speaker 2: you're with us, and it's been quite the week. And
Speaker 2: I have to start the show by giving all sorts
Speaker 2: of props to mister Nick Harris, who was out in
Speaker 2: Indianapolis yes.
Speaker 3: This past week, did a great job. First round draft pick.
Speaker 4: Guys, I do how was it? It was fun?
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: It was the first combine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was my first combine, first time in Indianapolis,
Speaker 6: all the way around.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 7: It was a really good experience.
Speaker 6: Got there early Tuesday morning and was going at it
Speaker 6: until I got back at midnight on Saturday, and it
Speaker 6: was a it was a good time, man, really good time.
Speaker 3: What was your favorite part?
Speaker 6: Oh man, my face almost imploding at Saint Elmo's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay about shrip cocktail.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, They tried to tell me. I just didn't.
Speaker 7: I took it differently.
Speaker 6: So I went with Alex Lively, one of our great
Speaker 6: videographers here, and he was like, yeah, man, that.
Speaker 7: Shrip cocktail is pretty good. You gotta be careful, you know.
Speaker 6: And I'm thinking like, oh, okay, I gotta be careful because
Speaker 6: it's really good, you know, like you're gonna eat a
Speaker 6: lot of it. And then I'm on the phone with
Speaker 6: Nick Eatman right as the trimp cocktail gets placed right
Speaker 6: in front of me, and I'm like, oh, well, I
Speaker 6: just got this shrimp cocktail.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna try it out.
Speaker 3: Nick.
Speaker 6: He says the same thing. He's like, oh man, I
Speaker 6: be careful with that. I'm like, I take it the
Speaker 6: same way. I'm like, oh, okay, it's really good trip cocktail.
Speaker 3: Everybody want me to be careful with this thing?
Speaker 4: Well, it's not.
Speaker 6: It was more so like, okay, so this is gonna
Speaker 6: be really good. So I'm like, man, I'm gonna take
Speaker 6: a big fat bite, like on my first bite thing
Speaker 6: because I want to get it. I want to I
Speaker 6: want to get it good. I eat the whole shrimp
Speaker 6: with everything on it, and for the viewers, it's basically
Speaker 6: like layered and horse radish, but there's a cocktail sauce
Speaker 6: on top of it, so you don't see the horse radish.
Speaker 6: So I'm seeing like a ton of cocktail sauce and
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be great because
Speaker 6: I love cocktail sauce.
Speaker 7: I bite the whole thing.
Speaker 6: And I was really exhausted by this point of the
Speaker 6: day because it was like nine thirty at night on
Speaker 6: the first night we had got there, didn't get good
Speaker 6: sleep the night before, and my face almost like imploded.
Speaker 7: I thought I was about to have like a stroke
Speaker 7: right there in the middle of Saint Almost you know
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 4: It was. It was taxing.
Speaker 8: You have something in common with Jeff Lurry, the owner
Speaker 8: with the Eagles.
Speaker 7: That's great.
Speaker 8: So we did the same thing, and we forgot to
Speaker 8: tell him though we didn't tell him. You know, we
Speaker 8: just assumed that everybody at the table knows that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you take a cracker, you dip it in the cocktail
Speaker 8: sauce and then you figure that out. Or you take
Speaker 8: a little bitty bite of the shrimp, yeah you cut it.
Speaker 8: And Jeff Lurry did the same thing, and literally I
Speaker 8: thought we'd killed the owner.
Speaker 3: Of the Eagles.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he stopped and his face would flush and I'm like,
Speaker 8: oh my god, he's not breathing. And it was the
Speaker 8: horse reddish sauce. But it is something you absolutely have
Speaker 8: to try there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I immediately started crying, like it was. It was
Speaker 6: just tears pouring out in my face and sinuses. I
Speaker 6: was awake for like five more hours after that game.
Speaker 6: It's better than coffee like that. That's that's that's what.
Speaker 4: Great meal, they said.
Speaker 9: I remember last year there was a column from the
Speaker 9: Indianapolis Star that where they interviewed the same almost director
Speaker 9: and they said that that used to be a prank
Speaker 9: that Jerry would pull on people when they would come in,
Speaker 9: is that he'd give them the cocktail sauce and not
Speaker 9: tell him how hot it was, and then he'd just
Speaker 9: start dying laughing when their mouth was on fire.
Speaker 7: That's that's something I would do.
Speaker 4: Ye like this year, Yes, this year is Jerry.
Speaker 3: This cheery is good at paid for dinner though too
Speaker 3: there is only one Jerry, just letting you know, good
Speaker 3: point being good point.
Speaker 2: The worst mistake I ever made, and it also involved
Speaker 2: saying Elmo's Cockit cocktail sauce. They brought it around on
Speaker 2: these trays to the convention center. Yeah, but they did
Speaker 2: it at like seven thirty in the morning. So we
Speaker 2: were getting ready for the draft show. We were kind
Speaker 2: of setting up on radio row.
Speaker 3: That'd be perfect for me, Like you said, it was
Speaker 3: better than coffee.
Speaker 2: So but we they were walking around and me and
Speaker 2: Alex Lily so everything wrong.
Speaker 7: Happens whenever Alex is honestly truthful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we both grabbed two of them and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: nice freeze trip cocktail. This is great and took a
Speaker 2: big bite of it, enjoyed it had the flush of
Speaker 2: the sinuses and everything like you're normally that normally do.
Speaker 2: But then it was like seven thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: By like eight fifteen, the stomach just started grumbling. You
Speaker 2: had the bubble guts. Oh it was not good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, get me out, Yeah, get me out of there.
Speaker 8: I'll tell We'll say a real quick story about Jerry.
Speaker 8: And when you take the Scouts out to dinner. I'm
Speaker 8: not a big wine guy and so but there was
Speaker 8: a six thousand dollars bottle wine circling the table, and
Speaker 8: I'll never forget. I'm like, the gentleman came by and goes,
Speaker 8: would you like some one? I sai, no, no, I'm good,
Speaker 8: thank you. Chris Hall looked at me, you know, and
Speaker 8: scouting Chris goes, you might want to try a glass
Speaker 8: at this. I go really, he goes, no, you need
Speaker 8: to try a glass of this. I'm one of those
Speaker 8: guys that can't tell the difference. So here I am
Speaker 8: like a get a glass from six thousand dollars bottle
Speaker 8: of wine, and I'm like, you know what, I guess
Speaker 8: it's pretty good. You know, I really couldn't tell. I'm
Speaker 8: not one of those guys that's kind of the expert
Speaker 8: of that. But Chris, Chris was nice enough to lean over.
Speaker 8: He goes, you might want to try a glass of this,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, all right, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: So Team dinners are always fun. Brian's looking at Jerry.
Speaker 2: He's like did you get this from Trader Joe's.
Speaker 4: That was well, he had he.
Speaker 8: Had two had two bottles. He had two bottles circling
Speaker 8: the table. And anytime you go to dinner with Jerry,
Speaker 8: you never look at the menu. He just orders everything
Speaker 8: appetizer wise, is sitting in front of you and then
Speaker 8: you can order what you want for the dinner. And
Speaker 8: uh yeah, there's a lot of fun to that.
Speaker 3: Teams are great.
Speaker 2: Our team dinners are breakfast, tacos, yeah, doughnuts on draft.
Speaker 3: Yrek takes us out afterwards. Does have nice job.
Speaker 8: That's Jerry taking us out. That's a nice job. So yeah,
Speaker 8: there you go.
Speaker 2: Uh So, with all that being said, the combine is
Speaker 2: now in the rearview mirror, the testing is done, the
Speaker 2: medicals are done.
Speaker 3: What were the number one.
Speaker 2: Things to come out of Indianapolis in your eyes?
Speaker 3: Nick will start with you.
Speaker 7: As far as players.
Speaker 3: Anything out.
Speaker 2: It could be workouts, it could be medicals, it could
Speaker 2: be performance.
Speaker 7: For me, one of the biggest takeaways is this receiver class.
Speaker 10: Dude.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we've talked about it a lot
Speaker 6: and how many first round talents that there are, but
Speaker 6: you see a week that sees Xavier worthy break the
Speaker 6: forty yard dash record, ad Mitchell laying down a three
Speaker 6: four to three four, Brian Thomas Junior at the size
Speaker 6: that he is putting down a four to three three,
Speaker 6: it's it's gonna be. You're if if you're a team
Speaker 6: looking for a receiver and you're picking that early second round,
Speaker 6: you're gonna get a first round type talent. And I
Speaker 6: think this receiver, class man, it's gonna do some special things.
Speaker 6: We talked about Marvin Harrison Junior and elite neighbors up
Speaker 6: top and men. Most of the conversations that I had
Speaker 6: we go back to that neighbors versus Harrison conversation that
Speaker 6: we had a couple.
Speaker 7: Of weeks ago. A lot of guys really like neighbors too.
Speaker 6: It would not surprise me if he gets picked before
Speaker 6: Harrison at this point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you.
Speaker 6: Talked about Harrison, yes, yeow, Yeah, you talk about those
Speaker 6: two guys, and then you look down to the Keon
Speaker 6: Colemans and the Brian Thomas juniors and Xavier Worthy, ad
Speaker 6: Mitchelllad McCaughey.
Speaker 7: I mean, you could go down the list.
Speaker 6: We were talking about Roman Wilson coming out of Senier Bowl, like, Hey,
Speaker 6: this is a partic late first round guy. Now we're
Speaker 6: looking at like late second round because it's just there's
Speaker 6: so much talent up top. The receiver class obviously really
Speaker 6: strong from a Cowboys perspective. Meeting with a lot of
Speaker 6: receivers last week, as far as formal meetings go. Obviously
Speaker 6: met with a lot of offensive linemen as well, linebackers,
Speaker 6: defensive tackles. One of the biggest things that I was
Speaker 6: able to pick up on was the emphasis on getting
Speaker 6: bigger bodies. And it's not even it's not only at
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage and in the trenches. They're talking
Speaker 6: about bigger bodies and the skill positions as well. You know,
Speaker 6: they want to get a bigger back, they want to
Speaker 6: get bigger receivers, they want they just want bigger size
Speaker 6: on both sides of the ball. I think you'd be
Speaker 6: hard pressed to find a scenario. We'll see how free
Speaker 6: agency plays out. You'll be hard pressed to find a
Speaker 6: scenario where the Cowboys don't go size size size in
Speaker 6: the first two days. I think there's a realistic opportunity
Speaker 6: where they get that tackle in the first round and
Speaker 6: then they circle around to linebacker in defensive tackle on
Speaker 6: Day two and then that's that's kind of what alleviates
Speaker 6: your needs going into are coming out of the draft.
Speaker 3: Brian, what were your takeaways from Indy?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the thing that maybe the most disturbing
Speaker 8: thing was Caleb Williams not taking the physical because to me,
Speaker 8: the and I know it doesn't pertain to the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: but maybe in the future it does to others that
Speaker 8: might take this route. I go to the combine because
Speaker 8: I don't If you don't work out, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 8: I really don't have a problem with you because I'll
Speaker 8: figure out how to go to Baton Rouge or Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 8: or you know, or Los Ange Angelus to go watch
Speaker 8: this kid throw. That doesn't bother me. But I need
Speaker 8: your medical information if I'm going to make a determination.
Speaker 8: And I hope this doesn't set something up in the
Speaker 8: future where other players say I'm not taking the physical.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to let doctors look up.
Speaker 3: We're already you know.
Speaker 8: When I first started scouting in the early nineties, we
Speaker 8: got medical packets from schools that we went to.
Speaker 3: If we went to USC, we would.
Speaker 8: Get a medical packet on these players. Players would sign
Speaker 8: off and we would get that information, and so you
Speaker 8: had it kind.
Speaker 3: Of going in.
Speaker 8: But my livelihood depends on me picking the best players,
Speaker 8: but the healthiest players that I could pick. And if
Speaker 8: I don't have that medical information on you, now, if
Speaker 8: you're one of those teams like the Commanders and New
Speaker 8: England and all those teams the Giants are talking about
Speaker 8: trading up for a quarterback, has Caleb Williams set himself
Speaker 8: up for having to turn teams down on visits?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 8: Is that going to be the next thing that he does. Oh,
Speaker 8: I'm not going to visit you Commanders. No, I'm not
Speaker 8: going to visit you Giants or Patriots. So it just
Speaker 8: I hope we're not going into a trend where the
Speaker 8: medicals now are taken away from my ability to kind
Speaker 8: of to put this puzzle together. That was something that
Speaker 8: was very concerning to me coming out of the combine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and his reasoning for that, he said he didn't
Speaker 6: feel like all thirty two teams needed his medical information.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And he said, whenever he does take.
Speaker 6: Those top thirty visits, he will be doing medicals at
Speaker 6: bad point, so he see where you're coming from.
Speaker 8: Though, his thirty visit will be spent and Let's be honest.
Speaker 8: This isn't call and turn your head. You know this
Speaker 8: isn't this isn't that type of physical right, We're going
Speaker 8: to put you in an MRI too. We have figured
Speaker 8: out by going to the combine, we found guys with
Speaker 8: heart conditions, we found guys with bad backs, we found
Speaker 8: guys with bad feet, bad knees.
Speaker 6: Kola A McKinstry coming out with a foot fracture that
Speaker 6: teams are concerned will take him into training camp.
Speaker 8: There's no question about that. At the running back Dylan
Speaker 8: Johnson from Washington, what he was dealing with, you know,
Speaker 8: he ran a very slow forty and you're thinking, well,
Speaker 8: he plays much faster and that will maybe he's dealing
Speaker 8: with this foot injury. To me, like I say, I'm
Speaker 8: going to bring this quarterback in on a thirty visit,
Speaker 8: and the majority of my thirty visit is going to
Speaker 8: be spent getting him a complete physical. And I want
Speaker 8: the opportunity to visit with the kid. I want the
Speaker 8: opportunity to hang out with him and talk to him
Speaker 8: and all that. And but now half my day, maybe
Speaker 8: my whole day, is going to be spent getting him
Speaker 8: a physical. And you know that that's that's not where
Speaker 8: this is supposed to work. You know, it's you know,
Speaker 8: that's the there's reasons the doctors and MRI two. The
Speaker 8: reason they have it in Indianapolis is they have some
Speaker 8: of the best hospitals in the world right there, best
Speaker 8: equipment right there to get all that done. And I
Speaker 8: sound like I get off the lawn guy, but as
Speaker 8: a scout, I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Troubled by that type of approach.
Speaker 11: Yeh interesting, I mean, y'all said it all. I mean,
Speaker 11: I'm I agree with Nick as far as the fact
Speaker 11: that you know, this wide receiver class is deep. It
Speaker 11: sounded like even just kind of watching the Twitter streets
Speaker 11: and stuff, I follow some folks that cover other teams
Speaker 11: and getting bigger is important, and this class has a
Speaker 11: lot of even some of the dts are you appreciate
Speaker 11: the athleticism, but there isn't a whole bunch of like
Speaker 11: just size in here.
Speaker 10: There's a lot of tweeners in between guys.
Speaker 11: And then also too with the dns, it's a similar situation.
Speaker 10: How do y'all feel about the fact that.
Speaker 11: This it feels like that front seven is starting to
Speaker 11: get smaller as we look at the draft this last
Speaker 11: couple of years in particular, that's one of the big
Speaker 11: things that I noticed. And so that when you say
Speaker 11: they're gonna go bigger, it's like, well, there's not that
Speaker 11: many big humans in this draft, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 11: Like you might have to go free agency.
Speaker 6: Of course, I always really appreciated my time covering recruiting
Speaker 6: because it kind of gives you an opportunity to look
Speaker 6: at what trends could be going towards, and not only
Speaker 6: in college football, because if it works at the college
Speaker 6: football level, typically they try to translate into the NFL level.
Speaker 6: And you look at about ten years ago, the idea
Speaker 6: of identifying guys that have positional versatility, and this guy
Speaker 6: might have less talent than this guy over here that
Speaker 6: is just a true Mike linebacker. They're gonna take that
Speaker 6: guy with versatility because they want to see what he
Speaker 6: can do in multiple spots.
Speaker 7: And I think that worked at the college level.
Speaker 6: You've seen what it does, and it's translated to the
Speaker 6: NFL level and we've seen that manifest and defense.
Speaker 7: It's like Dan Quinn's a perfect example.
Speaker 6: And I think as a downside of that, you're gonna
Speaker 6: get smaller guys because they're gonna have to be in
Speaker 6: different positions. Now, for me personally, what this defense does
Speaker 6: need it needs a guy that can play a position,
Speaker 6: a guy that can sit there right at zero or
Speaker 6: one tech and be able to stop the run at
Speaker 6: Mike linebacker that can sit there in the second level
Speaker 6: and stop the run. Those big bodies, because they have
Speaker 6: that versatility around the board. They have the Demarvin Overstones,
Speaker 6: they have the Micah Parsons. I think there's a big
Speaker 6: need on this team specifically to go get those true
Speaker 6: position guys. But I see where you're coming from, because
Speaker 6: the positional flex has moved guys, has made the game
Speaker 6: smaller in general over the course of the last decade.
Speaker 9: In my opinion, it's funny because I remember what we're
Speaker 9: almost a decade ago that Shaq Thompson got picked. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and when Shaq Thompson was coming out, it was a
Speaker 9: big discussion point that he's a two hundred twenty eight
Speaker 9: pound linebacker. How's he going to function at the next level. Now,
Speaker 9: two hundred twenty eight pound linebacker does not sound that
Speaker 9: outrageous or that different.
Speaker 4: And I remember I had talked about.
Speaker 9: This with somebody in personnel circles outside of Dallas a
Speaker 9: couple of years ago, where they were saying that when
Speaker 9: you look at linebacker forty times and some of these
Speaker 9: ridiculous forty times that are almost equal to some of
Speaker 9: the running backs that are out there, that what they
Speaker 9: said was if you start, you know, if defense is
Speaker 9: in reaction to the passing game and everything else, we're
Speaker 9: trying to get lighter and quicker, and you create an
Speaker 9: entire league full of light front seven players, then what
Speaker 9: offenses are going to start doing is they're going to
Speaker 9: start developing these bigger monsters at the offensive line, which
Speaker 9: we saw a lot of an Indie last week. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and then the power run game is going to make
Speaker 9: a comeback. You're going to start seeing offensive lines that
Speaker 9: are one hundred pounds heavier than the front seven just
Speaker 9: rolling over people, and that that'll be the next direction
Speaker 9: it takes. So I think that that's part of it,
Speaker 9: is that it's just the natural cycle of you know,
Speaker 9: reacting to what the latest trends are, and it'll just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep going. I think I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8: I think defensive coordinators in college have had to adjust
Speaker 8: to the spread offense. Yeah, and then what happens when
Speaker 8: you're having to adjust the spread. You're taking players that
Speaker 8: might have been running backs and making them defensive ends.
Speaker 8: You're you're making rush guys. You know, maybe you're taking
Speaker 8: other positions. And in the NFL, where do we get
Speaker 8: our players from college football? And so that's the issue
Speaker 8: that we're dealing with right now. But you're right, you know,
Speaker 8: guys like as time is, I think it's write the
Speaker 8: Notre Dame running back. You know, allen big physical running backs.
Speaker 8: You better be able to ready to handle downhill runners
Speaker 8: in this in this league nowadays because people are going
Speaker 8: to every one of these offensive tackles. We talk about
Speaker 8: it like there's six seven, they're three hundred and forty,
Speaker 8: they're three hundred and sixty, they're three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 8: I mean they're huge guys. So you better figure out
Speaker 8: how you're going to handle teams that are going to
Speaker 8: play with size and physical running backs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just with the way the game is changing, it
Speaker 6: feels like it's changing on a dime. But right now,
Speaker 6: in this specific NFL landscape, give me size over speed.
Speaker 7: You've seen those teams.
Speaker 6: Let's look at the teams that were in the championship
Speaker 6: games San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, Kansas City, all those teams
Speaker 6: size over speed, and y'all can disagree if you'll feel.
Speaker 7: Anyway, maybe that was what he said.
Speaker 6: Maybe Chiefs are like one exception, but you look across
Speaker 6: the board and there's an overwhelming discrepancy between size and speed.
Speaker 6: And that's that's what this team needs. It needs a
Speaker 6: lot more size and not not less speed, but it
Speaker 6: needs a lot more size.
Speaker 9: Yeah, which I mean the running backs that you guys
Speaker 9: had worked to get. See what formals the Cowboys had
Speaker 9: running back. It's Trey Benson, It's Ray Davis, it's odd
Speaker 9: your estimate, it's you.
Speaker 3: As to okay, and.
Speaker 9: Then Braylan Allen. And so it's just like you you
Speaker 9: look at the running backs that they're talking to. They're
Speaker 9: talking to these backs that they clearly feel like they
Speaker 9: missed a power element in their backfield.
Speaker 6: Last I would expect in free agency the Cowboys to
Speaker 6: go get a guy that's a smaller back receiving tight
Speaker 6: back and they're going to pair him with a bowling
Speaker 6: ball downhill runner in the draft that they they want
Speaker 6: that big, that big back to have less tread on
Speaker 6: their tires and they want that. They want that guy
Speaker 6: to be the young guy. So I would expect that
Speaker 6: this offseason. That's one of the more things i'd probably
Speaker 6: be more certain of.
Speaker 2: Well, when we come back, you talked about guys that
Speaker 2: maybe certain scouts may have missed and may have found
Speaker 2: intriguing in Indie.
Speaker 3: Normally we do twitter on the twenty. I'm gonna come back.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit guys that earned a double back, earned
Speaker 3: a second look with.
Speaker 2: Indianapolis and what they did either from a media standpoint
Speaker 2: or from a performance standpoint at the NFL Combine.
Speaker 3: We've got more of the draft show coming up right
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Speaker 2: on the twenty. We will do that on Thursday. Don't
Speaker 2: worry everybody, We'll do some Twitter on the twenty. But
Speaker 2: there's so much to catch up on with the NFL Combine.
Speaker 2: I wanted to take a look at the guys that
Speaker 2: earned your second look. I shall start with you.
Speaker 3: Out of the combine performances.
Speaker 2: Did anybody catch your eye and say, I've got to
Speaker 2: go back and look.
Speaker 11: Logan Lee DT out of Iowa. I so when I
Speaker 11: first watched him, I mean, obviously, I don't know if
Speaker 11: people know you mentioned you mentioned it, Brian, the fact
Speaker 11: that this was a tie end converted to DT, so
Speaker 11: again talk about the need of whatever. Anyway, I was
Speaker 11: looking at him, and I remember the first time I
Speaker 11: watched him, I liked his build.
Speaker 10: I was like, oh, this is an interesting player.
Speaker 11: But seeing him tests and some of the later agility,
Speaker 11: I was like, Okay, okay, maybe I do need to
Speaker 11: go back and watch him now. I did see him
Speaker 11: at the Senior Bowl. He stuck out a couple times
Speaker 11: in one on ones. He has some burst off the line.
Speaker 11: But I feel like I might need to go back
Speaker 11: and look at him because I think he understands leverage.
Speaker 10: He's a former wrestler.
Speaker 11: People talk about his leadership and what he's capable of,
Speaker 11: but he's explosive, and I just think I need to
Speaker 11: go back and watch him again.
Speaker 10: Actually I did.
Speaker 11: And the only thing that you know, people might worry
Speaker 11: about is the fact that he is very raw, Like
Speaker 11: he didn't convert to a GT until twenty twenty one,
Speaker 11: if I'm not mistaken, so he still is learning the position.
Speaker 11: But I think if you pair him next to a bigger,
Speaker 11: you know, one tech type thing like he's, he's gonna
Speaker 11: cost some issues with how explosive he is off the
Speaker 11: line of scrimmage and how he can really change direction
Speaker 11: quickly as well. So that's a gentleman that I felt like,
Speaker 11: uh deserves a second look, and maybe teams will be
Speaker 11: interested in him despite the fact that he's wrong.
Speaker 6: Yeah, an interesting thing with Logan Lee is about he's
Speaker 6: going to have to add size or weight that two
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty pounds. He came in at two eighty
Speaker 6: one at the combine, which is actually a big, big
Speaker 6: h improvement from what he was playing at in Iowa.
Speaker 6: I think he was probably just from what I see
Speaker 6: on tape, probably closer to sixty five at Iowa at
Speaker 6: the end of the season. But if he can, if
Speaker 6: he can push closer to three hundred, then you know,
Speaker 6: we're not talking about, you know, truly, you know, a
Speaker 6: three tech, because I think that was kind of where
Speaker 6: it was pushing. And it was even like there was
Speaker 6: some teams talking about five tech with him, just because yes,
Speaker 6: he has that athleticism, he has that explosion, But where
Speaker 6: does that kind of translate inside If you're two hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty pounds or two hundred and sixty five pounds
Speaker 6: and now being two hundred eighty pounds and adding some
Speaker 6: more weight, I think it's going to allow him to
Speaker 6: be able to, you know, have that, but how does
Speaker 6: that explosion still translate? Yeah, you have that much weight.
Speaker 6: That's always it's always a concern, and I know teams
Speaker 6: are really weary about put weight on guys all at
Speaker 6: once because then you're talking about injury concerns as well,
Speaker 6: because you try to pair that athleticism with that weight
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 2: At the same time, his situation may be a subjective
Speaker 2: one because I've seen him as high as the fifth round.
Speaker 2: I've seen him as low as an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 2: So it.
Speaker 3: May be midday three.
Speaker 2: We're talking about Logan Lee coming off the board, and
Speaker 2: that's a value pick for some of these teams that
Speaker 2: want some speed up front, because he's not going to
Speaker 2: jump off the page from a from an athleticism standpoint,
Speaker 2: But like you said, the lateral ability helps him take
Speaker 2: up multiple gaps.
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I mean, like I said, he's just he
Speaker 11: fits the bill for the question. He's somebody that is
Speaker 11: worth taking a second look and seeing, you know, maybe
Speaker 11: a team being like we can develop in and see
Speaker 11: what he can do, like I said, next to a
Speaker 11: heavysetter guy, because I feel like he could cause problems
Speaker 11: and maybe draw some double teams with his speed.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, Brian, who you got to double
Speaker 3: back on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Correct me if I'm wrong here, But I'm never really
Speaker 8: been a big fan of Patrick Paul from Houston right
Speaker 8: off the jump, and I felt like that I didn't
Speaker 8: feel like he really had. I loved the size, the length,
Speaker 8: I don't know if the true athletic ability there. He
Speaker 8: tested much better than I even thought he was going
Speaker 8: to test, and so to me, I probably need to
Speaker 8: go back and look at that. I come from an
Speaker 8: era though, where my tape eyes. I usually feel like
Speaker 8: if I've got him right, that my first inclination of
Speaker 8: the player is the right one. But the fact that
Speaker 8: he tested pretty well, I feel like that I probably
Speaker 8: need to go back and give him a second look,
Speaker 8: maybe find some other tapes, see if.
Speaker 3: There's some things are different.
Speaker 8: I watched him plague in San Antonio, Texas Oklahoma State.
Speaker 8: I didn't feel like he was a very good athlete,
Speaker 8: and but the way he tested I think probably needs
Speaker 8: for me to go back and look at him. But
Speaker 8: I don't. I'm just I wasn't a big fan of
Speaker 8: the player, and so maybe maybe I'm right about that
Speaker 8: or maybe I'm really really wrong, But at least the
Speaker 8: fact that he tested a little bit better, I probably
Speaker 8: need to.
Speaker 3: Go look at him.
Speaker 2: Ninetieth percentile in both height and weight. He listed at
Speaker 2: six foot a three hundred and thirty one pounds. His
Speaker 2: forty was a seventy six percent tile, so very good,
Speaker 2: forty five point one three, and then his wingspan was
Speaker 2: in the ninety third percentile, and he had an eighty
Speaker 2: six and three quarter wingspan, which is tops in the class.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think if there was a mid to
Speaker 2: late round second round, the second, second round lineman that
Speaker 2: Dallas would be interested in. It might be a pall
Speaker 2: if they don't get somebody in the first and they
Speaker 2: look at him in the second round.
Speaker 3: I think he would be a huge piece.
Speaker 8: See, I don't have him as like a second even
Speaker 8: the second round player.
Speaker 3: What do you have him at third round? You had
Speaker 3: him as well? So based off of film alone, just
Speaker 3: off film.
Speaker 8: Alone, I just I mean, I think he was a
Speaker 8: tall player. He tends to play that way. I didn't
Speaker 8: think he really bent his knees. I didn't think he
Speaker 8: could sit down on defenders. I thought he was off balanced.
Speaker 8: I thought he had struggled with movement. You know, I
Speaker 8: think he's got a great chance of blocking defenders when
Speaker 8: they're straight down the middle. But I did not see
Speaker 8: a guy that that. I was just jumping up and
Speaker 8: down about just because, like say, the three games I watched,
Speaker 8: it seemed like it was more of a struggle for
Speaker 8: him than it was a lot of positivity.
Speaker 3: But probably three games again, uh.
Speaker 8: Ut, San Antonio, Texas Oklahoma State three, I'll watch so Texas.
Speaker 2: Of course you bring the defensive line. Yeah, of sweat
Speaker 2: and Murphy. It's the ends and stuff that he's dealing
Speaker 2: with there. But I again, there's a couple of players
Speaker 2: in this draft. Again, Turner, the way he tested from Alabama.
Speaker 2: You know, you kind of knew that was going to happen,
Speaker 2: but the film doesn't always show him making plays like
Speaker 2: his testing numbers showed. So that's the struggle you go
Speaker 2: through when you're sitting in that room. Is that And
Speaker 2: I really love watching tape, It's one of my favorite
Speaker 2: things to do. And but when guys work out and
Speaker 2: I kind of like, Okay, that's part of it. But
Speaker 2: you see that translate into how they play, and some
Speaker 2: of these guys it does like worthy.
Speaker 3: You could see plays.
Speaker 8: Fast wide received from Texas, but some of these other
Speaker 8: guys I probably need to circle back on and kind
Speaker 8: of figure that out.
Speaker 2: Nick, you had an opinion on Patrick Paull earlier, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the campaign. What are your thoughts on him now?
Speaker 6: Seeing How funny because me and Zach Walschik had a
Speaker 6: conversation right after I got off the flight on Saturday
Speaker 6: night and we spent probably five to ten minutes talking
Speaker 6: about Patrick Paul.
Speaker 7: I love the traits there. I do have the same.
Speaker 6: Athleticism concerns, but I put a second round, a late
Speaker 6: second round.
Speaker 7: Out then because of those traits in.
Speaker 3: His I understand it.
Speaker 4: His violence.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's powerful.
Speaker 6: You get him in the right development program, I think
Speaker 6: there's an opportunity for him to make some things happen there.
Speaker 6: I haven't always loved the ability of that previous Houston
Speaker 6: staff to develop guys outside of the skill positions. I
Speaker 6: think Dania Holgerson and his staff has always done a
Speaker 6: really good job of developing skill positions and putting out
Speaker 6: a QUARTERBA every once in a while Cogino Smith. But
Speaker 6: I think whenever it's talking about big guys, they haven't
Speaker 6: really done a good good job recruiting them a and
Speaker 6: be developing them. I think Patrick Paul, you put him
Speaker 6: in an opportunity or a situation where he can be
Speaker 6: developed a little bit and give him a year or two,
Speaker 6: I think he'll be all right. I'm not thinking he's
Speaker 6: maybe a Pro Bowl type guy, but I think he
Speaker 6: can be a plus starter over the course.
Speaker 8: Of which you guys can sumer at twenty four. No, no, okay,
Speaker 8: Son fifty six.
Speaker 2: Here's my one thing on twenty four. It's been two
Speaker 2: years in a row, and I've told you this story
Speaker 2: before that I was out in Indy, Tyler Smith's name
Speaker 2: came up a couple times twenty twenty two, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith. I was like, Okay, that'd be a great
Speaker 2: pick in the middle of the second round. I love
Speaker 2: that idea, Like it's middle of the second that's great.
Speaker 2: He ends up being the first round pick. Last year,
Speaker 2: Mazzie Smith's name continue to come up in conversations and
Speaker 2: just getting to have that same thing traits development, same
Speaker 2: thing that you're talking about. You put him in the situation,
Speaker 2: and then you're able to get him to develop into
Speaker 2: the player you want him to be. I was like, great,
Speaker 2: sounds good middle second round. Great, Yeah, he's the first
Speaker 2: round pack. So don't discount Patrick Paul at twenty four.
Speaker 2: If the trades line up to what they think about
Speaker 2: it across the.
Speaker 3: Hallway, can I say something absolutely?
Speaker 10: I don't.
Speaker 11: It's interesting that you talk about how violent you feel
Speaker 11: like he plays Nick Nick because I don't think that
Speaker 11: he's consistently the aggressor.
Speaker 10: I didn't.
Speaker 11: I didn't see that consistently from him. And I also too,
Speaker 11: I feel like his hand placement is inconsistent as well.
Speaker 11: His punch is powerful, but it's not always on the money.
Speaker 11: And if I'm not mistaken, he is a former boxer.
Speaker 11: Do you guys think that has anything to do with
Speaker 11: the lack of bend.
Speaker 8: I think I think he's just at six seven. I
Speaker 8: think it's hard for him some of these guys to bend.
Speaker 10: That's fair.
Speaker 8: I think it's you know, it's funny you say about
Speaker 8: the hands. I said, I felt like he was a
Speaker 8: walking holding Penley with how much he misses with his hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like Tyler Smith.
Speaker 10: It's not consistent.
Speaker 3: Well, Tyler Smith's a hell of a player.
Speaker 11: He has the footwork to recover. It helps him out
Speaker 11: because the footwork is there. It's the hand placement that
Speaker 11: I didn't like all the time. So I don't know.
Speaker 11: I I think he, to your point, is a good
Speaker 11: developmental player, but I didn't even I think he's a
Speaker 11: late second round maybe early third round. But you're gonna
Speaker 11: have to work with him on this technique stuff because
Speaker 11: the traits are there. But I just I don't see
Speaker 11: it consistently.
Speaker 9: If if we're in the no that I was just
Speaker 9: gonna say, Like when I was writing down my notes,
Speaker 9: I was like I had written in there that Patrick
Speaker 9: Paul reminds me of a baby giraffe.
Speaker 4: Like he's like he's got these long lens that he
Speaker 4: just he doesn't know how to use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I use that like once a year in my scouting.
Speaker 4: It looks like it.
Speaker 9: It's just like, I mean like that he's not He's
Speaker 9: still just trying to figure out hand usage. And you
Speaker 9: know there's they're still trying to figure out the footwork.
Speaker 9: I think that he's he doesn't strike me as somebody
Speaker 9: who's timid. I think he's got like the I think
Speaker 9: he's got that killer instinct. I think he's got the
Speaker 9: competitive toughness. It's just I don't think he knows how
Speaker 9: to use what he has right now.
Speaker 4: Killer draft, yeah, killer giraft.
Speaker 3: So but the thing is you terrifying.
Speaker 10: At the next level.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they can get coaching, but it's it's still they're limited, right,
Speaker 11: And how much I mean, I know these guys here
Speaker 11: they go work with, do they go do all this
Speaker 11: extra stuff with as far as on a team level,
Speaker 11: how much are you going to be able to just
Speaker 11: work that work that Because he does come off as
Speaker 11: somewhat raw even though he's playing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, he's no more raw He's not the
Speaker 9: athlete that Tyler Smith was, but he's no more raw
Speaker 9: to me than Tyler Smith's face. And and that's the
Speaker 9: thing is that they had to do work and figure
Speaker 9: out like, Okay, does he have the coach ability, does
Speaker 9: he have the you know, mental process and other things
Speaker 9: to take this and grow from it? And they through
Speaker 9: their research said yeah, we got this. Like they're doing
Speaker 9: background research. So if they if they determined that about
Speaker 9: Patrick Paul, I'm gonna trust him because they've hit on
Speaker 9: these sort of things before. I just I can't know that,
Speaker 9: and so I just have to grade what I see
Speaker 9: right now, which is somebody who's got a really impressive
Speaker 9: frame and competitive toche.
Speaker 8: That's why I feel like you need to circle back,
Speaker 8: you know, mean the workout, and I respect what you're saying, Nick.
Speaker 3: I really really do.
Speaker 8: I I'm not gonna lie though, if somebody else takes him,
Speaker 8: I'm probably gonna be pretty happy. I'm just gonna I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say, hey, you know, to me, I I
Speaker 8: think there are other guys that I kind of have
Speaker 8: ahead of him that I would like. And maybe I'm
Speaker 8: wrong about those guys. But uh, but to your point
Speaker 8: about the development part. You know, I'm kind of thinking
Speaker 8: about development part here. Where are we at with you know,
Speaker 8: awesome Richards, you know, where are we at with that?
Speaker 3: Where's the development with that? You know? And so that
Speaker 3: those are things.
Speaker 8: That kind of make me a little nervous when we
Speaker 8: start to talk about they're good at drafting plug and
Speaker 8: play guys. Though maybe this guy's plug and play, you know,
Speaker 8: maybe he is Nick who.
Speaker 4: Is your guy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'll give you, oddly enough another day two
Speaker 6: offensive lineman that you could potentially be looking at as
Speaker 6: a as a tackle option if they don't get that
Speaker 6: tackle in the first round. Joe Alt gets all the
Speaker 6: love at Notre Dame up front, and deservedly.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 6: I mean he's he's technical, he's a bit big, big body,
Speaker 6: he's athletic, he does a lot of things well. To me,
Speaker 6: he's he's tackled one in this class. You look on
Speaker 6: the other side of that offensive line for the Fighting
Speaker 6: Irish this past season, you see Blake Fisher and six
Speaker 6: foot five, three hundred and ten pounds is what he
Speaker 6: weighed in at UH in Indianapolis. Forty yard five two vertical,
Speaker 6: twenty eight broad jump, nine to six. It's it's not
Speaker 6: athleticism that will blow you off of a blow off
Speaker 6: the charts. And I think that's always been his big
Speaker 6: ast concern is how does this size kind of translate athletically.
Speaker 6: But when it comes to I love putting together like
Speaker 6: a mental all lobby team because whenever guys come in
Speaker 6: and you see their physical frame, you're like wow, Like
Speaker 6: that's that is a professional football player.
Speaker 2: You all lobby like you walk into the hotel lobby.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And Amarius Mims is easily like the all lobby god
Speaker 6: of this class. I mean he's he's incredible at six
Speaker 6: foot eight, you know whatever. But you look at Blake Fisher,
Speaker 6: he would be on that all lobby team for me.
Speaker 6: He looks awesome. He's physically put together. Mentally he's put
Speaker 6: together as well. Had a formal meeting with the Cowboys
Speaker 6: last week. I've heard nothing but good things about Blake
Speaker 6: Fisher since his draft process has started, but this past
Speaker 6: week in Indianapolis and being able to kind of at
Speaker 6: least show the athleticism that he does have. I mean,
Speaker 6: the nine to six broad job was third amongst all
Speaker 6: offensive tackles, and when you talk about that kind of
Speaker 6: get off off the line. I think there's an opportunity
Speaker 6: for Blake Fisher to be really good at the next levels.
Speaker 6: He's really stiff with his upper body. That's what I
Speaker 6: kind of came away with on film. He plays with
Speaker 6: like this super high pad level, which is like, it's
Speaker 6: very strange. It's even higher than some of the guys
Speaker 6: that you would think of that play well with the
Speaker 6: high pad level at the NFL level. But I think
Speaker 6: if that can translate to the NFL side of things
Speaker 6: and being able to kind of overpower more athletic defensive
Speaker 6: defensive lineman, I think there's an opportunity to do that
Speaker 6: with him still, because that was the biggest concern I
Speaker 6: had going into India's Like, Okay, I know that he
Speaker 6: can take on the power pass rights. I don't have
Speaker 6: a problem with that. I saw him do that against
Speaker 6: Penn State. I saw him do that against Ohio State.
Speaker 6: I want to see him against a athletic guy like
Speaker 6: an Adeisa Isaac where maybe he did have a kind
Speaker 6: of a couple of opportunities where he didn't shine. Shine
Speaker 6: is bright. I have a little bit more confidence coming
Speaker 6: out of this week. That's why I double back on
Speaker 6: Blake Fisher. I think he's gonna be a guy that
Speaker 6: if the Cowboys don't get a tackle in the first round,
Speaker 6: I think you're looking at round three, that's an opportunity
Speaker 6: to grab a guy like Blake Fisher.
Speaker 3: You think he lasts till round three?
Speaker 6: I think so, Really, I think so. I think he's
Speaker 6: probably there at eighty six, eighty seven.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's.
Speaker 6: Really hard to it's really hard to pin anything right
Speaker 6: now churning out a combine. Like ask me in a
Speaker 6: week whenever all these mock drafts start coming out, and
Speaker 6: you know, the people that are more plugged in than us,
Speaker 6: and I'm just gonna be a hundredsent honest start putting
Speaker 6: out mock drafts where you know, Blake Fisher all of
Speaker 6: a sudden is an early second round pick, and well, damn,
Speaker 6: there goes there goes Blake.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: But I think even if that does happen, that's a
Speaker 6: situation where the Cowboys like him. He likes what the
Speaker 6: conversation that he had with the Cowboys, this is this
Speaker 6: is a really good player that I feel like we'll
Speaker 6: be good at the next man, I.
Speaker 3: Think he nailed this guy. I really do think you
Speaker 3: got him. You got him square It up there. It
Speaker 3: was a really good job. I have him better than Paul.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 3: That's that's just me.
Speaker 8: If you if you said one of the thing about this kid,
Speaker 8: though he's made a ton of starts at offensive tackle,
Speaker 8: they've all been on the right side.
Speaker 3: So now you've got.
Speaker 8: To think about if you're thinking about a left tackle
Speaker 8: guy or you're going to try and move.
Speaker 3: Him over, you know, can we we we?
Speaker 8: I'm sure when we interview guys coaches about offensive line coaches,
Speaker 8: I always tell you about where you're playing on the
Speaker 8: right side or left side. Your kick, your eye, the
Speaker 8: way you play your punch, all those things are things
Speaker 8: that are going to have to be a just This
Speaker 8: kid's a high IQ kid, and he plays with really
Speaker 8: really good technique I think, and you're right about the
Speaker 8: way he plays with some length and some tallness to
Speaker 8: his game. But man, like I say, give me a
Speaker 8: guy that's made a ton of starts. That's the fear
Speaker 8: I have. With memes from Georgia eight starts, eight starts,
Speaker 8: I'm like, man, I can I put it?
Speaker 3: Can I Can I put it out there?
Speaker 8: That you know when I know this guy's when we
Speaker 8: played eight, we talked about floors and ceilings and all that,
Speaker 8: and I always get it confused. But but these are
Speaker 8: the guys, like a Memes, those are the guys I
Speaker 8: have question with with with with Fisher, He's played in
Speaker 8: a ton of big games. You know you're a little
Speaker 8: bit easier with the evaluation of a guy like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a very valid concern about Amarus Mims.
Speaker 6: And I don't think you're I don't have any team
Speaker 6: in the top twenty three should take him as a result.
Speaker 7: I mean that's just.
Speaker 6: Honestly, this this this week, I I think going and
Speaker 6: coming out of the measurements, whenever they light everybody up
Speaker 6: and Amarusmims was catching all the buzz around it, sure
Speaker 6: it was, I was like, okay, so he's he's going
Speaker 6: to be off the board at twenty four.
Speaker 7: But you see all these tackles that.
Speaker 6: Had incredible testing, yeah, and incredible work on the field
Speaker 6: whenever they got to Lucas Oil. And now almost every
Speaker 6: mock draft that I'm seeing is pinning Amarus Mims at
Speaker 6: twenty four.
Speaker 3: And You'll be you'd be really good with that, right,
Speaker 3: I'd be.
Speaker 7: So okay with that.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I I don't mind the eight games of experience.
Speaker 7: I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 6: I've I've seen what he can do, and I have
Speaker 6: the traits, and I want you to show me the
Speaker 6: best thing that you can find from Amriuss that Ohio
Speaker 6: State game and his sophomore year, and'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 6: that is that is his potential. This is his first
Speaker 6: game that he started as a college football left tackle.
Speaker 6: I think that can translate to the next level. And
Speaker 6: I think I'm completely okay with the Marius Mims because
Speaker 6: you're also getting a guy that's still relatively raw.
Speaker 7: Now for his experience.
Speaker 6: I think he's more developed than those eight games, but
Speaker 6: you're still getting a guy that's relatively raw. You can
Speaker 6: bring him in and you can kind of mold him
Speaker 6: into to what you want him to be. I think
Speaker 6: that's a clear difference from a guy like Jordan Morgan,
Speaker 6: who has a ton of experience.
Speaker 7: You know what you're getting.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe the thing with Memes is with the ceiling, right,
Speaker 8: that ceiling and Morgan's at the floor.
Speaker 3: There you go, right, Morgan's got a high floor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: old trust you figured it out. You're getting it down
Speaker 3: you're getting it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious about this because we've talked about Cooper
Speaker 2: BB from Kansas State before. Yeah, he's kind of in
Speaker 2: that same thought process as Patrick Paul from Houston and
Speaker 2: Blake Fisher Notre Dame mid to maybe mid second to
Speaker 2: mid third, right in that area. How would you rank
Speaker 2: those three players? How do you stack those three players?
Speaker 4: I would go probably.
Speaker 9: See Bbe was my guy that I need to double
Speaker 9: back on after his way.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Oh yeah, I didn't mean to take it
Speaker 3: from me to tell me, just.
Speaker 9: Because to me, it's and Brian and I were talking
Speaker 9: about this last night. I didn't see the agility or
Speaker 9: athleticism numbers coming that he gat. Like, Like, when I
Speaker 9: watched Cooper BB, I go, okay, is this is a
Speaker 9: guy who, like in the modern NFL, do I feel
Speaker 9: like he con effectively? Can he effectively climb to the
Speaker 9: second level, you know, reach the linebackers and time that
Speaker 9: That's kind of the thing that I was looking at there.
Speaker 9: But I was like, it's a guy who's got power
Speaker 9: and the IQ the mental processing is really really good.
Speaker 9: But then when you watch them go out there and test,
Speaker 9: it's like, Okay, the agility, and some of those numbers
Speaker 9: were really impressive.
Speaker 4: And then his bench.
Speaker 9: Numbers he put up twenty yeah, with shorter arms, and
Speaker 9: so it's like, okay, so the testing showed a guy
Speaker 9: who was not an elite power guy at least on
Speaker 9: the bench, and a guy who tests better athletically than
Speaker 9: I was anticipating.
Speaker 4: So it's like that that's kind of reversed everything that.
Speaker 9: I had in my notes about him, at least the
Speaker 9: you know, the testing did. It's not enough for me
Speaker 9: to say I'm gonna take that over what I had
Speaker 9: in my notes, but it is enough for me to
Speaker 9: say I need to go back and look again and
Speaker 9: see if I'm missing something. Was there something in the
Speaker 9: testing that should have shown up that I missed but
Speaker 9: you're usually looking for okay, it does the testing confirm
Speaker 9: what you see on tape and for Bebe, for me,
Speaker 9: it was kind of reversed, and so that was a
Speaker 9: little that threw me off. That's why I need to
Speaker 9: go back to him on stacking those. I would probably go, Man,
Speaker 9: I don't hope Paul Bebe Fisher.
Speaker 4: Is the direction I would go.
Speaker 3: Would you be the same or complete opposite?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would probably flip flop. I would go Fish
Speaker 7: or Bbe.
Speaker 6: Paul I had mentioned this to Zach on the phone
Speaker 6: on that conversation, But of the three hundred plus players
Speaker 6: that I talked to last week, Cooper Bbe was easily
Speaker 6: the most enjoyable guy.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 6: He's just he's a ball of energy. He's he's so
Speaker 6: much fun. Just a good dude, really good dude. If
Speaker 6: he's a guy that ends up getting drafted to Dallas,
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people on the beat would
Speaker 6: be happy with, you know, his personality, what he kind
Speaker 6: of brings to.
Speaker 3: That left front.
Speaker 11: How would you stack them well before before the benching thing.
Speaker 10: Because I feel like I'm like Bobby.
Speaker 11: When I look at Cooper, I'm thinking to myself, like
Speaker 11: he's powerful, he's a mall or he can come downhill.
Speaker 11: So I'm trying to figure out if he's not upper
Speaker 11: body strong, where is.
Speaker 10: It coming from? Where is coming from?
Speaker 11: It could could be his core, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 11: but it's I want to These are things that I
Speaker 11: think about mentally because I understand compensation and I understand
Speaker 11: those things we talk about longevity, So I wonder where
Speaker 11: that is coming from.
Speaker 9: Traps traps Frederick had bad bench numbers. That was the
Speaker 9: guy who played with power.
Speaker 10: Still it's the technique too, so yeah.
Speaker 9: And I mean it could be you know, it's one
Speaker 9: of those things where sometimes guys, you know, we've seen
Speaker 9: huge discrepancies before for guys on the bench at combine
Speaker 9: versus prode and sometimes it can be just training fatigue
Speaker 9: and some other things. That's why, like I said, I
Speaker 9: just need to go back and compare it. But again,
Speaker 9: like typically Brian you've talked is before, it's the long
Speaker 9: arms that have trouble with the bench and that's not
Speaker 9: his issue. He's got these thirty one inch charms and.
Speaker 8: Say, if you have to drive that bar a little
Speaker 8: further and they really count, you got to get it
Speaker 8: past that threshold and they count, and you might have
Speaker 8: twenty four reps and they'll go twenty four, you know,
Speaker 8: twenty good, four bad, and they'll give you the number twenty.
Speaker 3: You know, they will not count those bad reps.
Speaker 8: So yeah, if you have to, if you have to
Speaker 8: drive that bar from your chest because the length of
Speaker 8: your arms, some of these guys can't handle it all
Speaker 8: that well.
Speaker 2: Frederick had twenty one reps, by the way, for comparison, emergencies.
Speaker 2: So right at that same number, I feel like the
Speaker 2: bingch press has become less and less important in the
Speaker 2: grand scheme of things to improve draft stock.
Speaker 3: It's more of like a Okay, good, you've got that.
Speaker 3: Let's move on. Why does it still knock some of
Speaker 3: these guys?
Speaker 4: Is it just based off.
Speaker 2: Of a comparison standpoint, It's a way to tactically see
Speaker 2: how strength is calculated.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's more just for me when you're
Speaker 9: talking about those testing numbers, it's it's when it stands
Speaker 9: out as being so far off what like the standard
Speaker 9: has been for her body strength. For guards, like into
Speaker 9: your offensive linemen are routinely putting up you know, like
Speaker 9: twenty five, thirty up a little bit, and so when
Speaker 9: he's putting up twenty it's.
Speaker 8: Kind of defensive back like it's kind of like defensive
Speaker 8: back like when you look at it, I mean, when
Speaker 8: you put up twenty two.
Speaker 11: It surprised me too, Bobby. I'm not gonna lie, but
Speaker 11: I to answer your question. To answer your question, Kyle,
Speaker 11: I would go, I'm gonna trust trust what I thought
Speaker 11: even last year when I watched Bobe, I'm gonna go
Speaker 11: dB Fisher Paul.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, BB Fisher, Paul, is that where you're at?
Speaker 10: Okay, I do think people are.
Speaker 3: Going should feel bad and I'm going a long no.
Speaker 11: I do think people are gonna wonder how they if
Speaker 11: that thing with Fisher is gonna affect leverage and things
Speaker 11: like that, how do you break that. I don't mind it,
Speaker 11: don't It works for him to me like it works
Speaker 11: for him to me. But I wonder how they're gonna
Speaker 11: coach that out of him, because it's a very consistent
Speaker 11: thing with him.
Speaker 8: I have been in my history, had been so wrong
Speaker 8: about offensive tackles that lack strength. I watched David Baktiari
Speaker 8: at Colorado. You know, I've watched.
Speaker 3: Colton.
Speaker 8: I've watched these guys and none of them bench well,
Speaker 8: none of them are very strong, and then they.
Speaker 3: Play like fifteen years in the league.
Speaker 8: It's weird how sometimes you could say guy needs strength,
Speaker 8: guy needs power. Nate Soldor was another one that way
Speaker 8: back in the day that that doesn't look strong, but
Speaker 8: he played a long time, made a lot of money,
Speaker 8: wasn't very good. But these guys that sometimes don't have
Speaker 8: good strength numbers and you see it on tape. It
Speaker 8: scares me. And then they play a long time and
Speaker 8: I'm thinking, well, how did that happen?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 8: So sometimes some of these guys show up that might
Speaker 8: not have upper body power but make up with it
Speaker 8: some other way.
Speaker 9: What so you guys all like Fisher a lot more
Speaker 9: than I do? Like what gives you pause about Himcause
Speaker 9: the thing that gives me pause about Blake Fisher when
Speaker 9: I watch him, the reason why I would have even
Speaker 9: with Patrick Paul with his flaws like above him and
Speaker 9: Cooper bb with my question with athleticism. The biggest thing
Speaker 9: to me that I saw that concerned me with Fisher
Speaker 9: was like instincts related, like like a feel for things
Speaker 9: because you see, you see routinely he is consistently the
Speaker 9: last guy out of his stance at the snap.
Speaker 8: That was something that was something and I wondered because
Speaker 8: I dealt with Flozell Adams here and he was deaf
Speaker 8: in one ear. And I'm not saying this kid's death,
Speaker 8: but you wonder.
Speaker 4: If there's just something specific if you're not is.
Speaker 8: Your peripheral vision not good to see the ball or
Speaker 8: is there something that you're just not hearing? You know
Speaker 8: they're coming out of his shotgun? Is he not, but
Speaker 8: you're right. That's something that I put in my notes.
Speaker 8: He could be a tick late coming off the ball.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
Speaker 9: I think that he's a tick lake and then he
Speaker 9: will allow guys occasionally to get into his chest and
Speaker 9: he will like even though like I think, technique wise
Speaker 9: he's good, it's just almost like there's a feel issue
Speaker 9: here that's off a little bit. It's almost like, just
Speaker 9: like I said, it's a it's an instincts thing for
Speaker 9: me with Fisher, where it's like, guys are getting into
Speaker 9: your chest, you're taking a bad angle on the second level,
Speaker 9: you're you know, miscalculating this or misjudging this, you're laid
Speaker 9: off the ball, you're you know, allowing your hands to
Speaker 9: get swatted away because you're missed with your punch. There's
Speaker 9: just a lot of that little stuff there that makes
Speaker 9: me go like, that's not I can you can coach
Speaker 9: technique out of Patrick Paul.
Speaker 4: If you don't have instincts, you're screwed.
Speaker 8: I felt like that Fisher real quick there, I should
Speaker 8: I felt like the Quisher that Fisher was able to
Speaker 8: rally though if he was a little bit late, he
Speaker 8: found ways like through that athletic ability to recover and
Speaker 8: get there, whereas.
Speaker 3: Paul if he's if he's misstepped early, I.
Speaker 8: Need to go back labor and get back to find
Speaker 8: I need to find more film.
Speaker 9: I think, are you going to have the ability to
Speaker 9: rally like that consistently at the NFL?
Speaker 15: Though?
Speaker 9: Is the thing like when you were going across that's
Speaker 9: my stronger You've got the like NFL defensive lineman const
Speaker 9: I just don't know that his he's going to be
Speaker 9: able to rally him. I think his technique, like you said,
Speaker 9: I think he technically he's good like and I think
Speaker 9: that his movement skills are really good.
Speaker 8: I was watching I was watching the Center last night
Speaker 8: that that that kid from uh, the kid from that
Speaker 8: that from Wisconsin, Bordelini.
Speaker 3: Were going back to Wisconsin for a No.
Speaker 8: I'm just telling you, though, I know you got to
Speaker 8: make a point here, but I've always say this about Bortoloni. Uh,
Speaker 8: Bordelini's sorry, Thank god, I watched him look like that
Speaker 8: he was about to just get abused and then rally
Speaker 8: back and rally back in the position, you know, and
Speaker 8: so but and it's again, I was watching against Iowa
Speaker 8: defensive tackle too, you know that. Yeah, So I to me,
Speaker 8: I some of these guys are capable.
Speaker 3: They they they have a survival mode to them, you know.
Speaker 3: And and maybe our maybe our Notre Dame guy's got
Speaker 3: a little of that.
Speaker 2: I think I would as I sneak it in before
Speaker 2: the break, I would stack him BB Paul and Bordelini's
Speaker 2: great uh B B Paul and then Fisher.
Speaker 3: That would be my three.
Speaker 7: Stant there dumping on my guys.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I like, it's not that I go with you.
Speaker 3: He's a top one player.
Speaker 2: It's Paul You're scaring the hell out of me with.
Speaker 2: But I know, yeah, I just like Paul's link. I
Speaker 2: like the athleticism and I think he's he plays better.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't see this is.
Speaker 8: When when Paul turns out to be a Pro Bowl player,
Speaker 8: that you can walk back in the draft show and
Speaker 8: tell us all that you know, I know what I'm
Speaker 8: talking about a lot.
Speaker 11: I do want to ask when you talk about, you know,
Speaker 11: a guy being laid off the whistle, and then I
Speaker 11: know you mentioned the peripheral vision.
Speaker 3: Things like that, or being deaf.
Speaker 11: I'm a baby, I'm a baby out here. Is that
Speaker 11: something that they test for?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just for a little bit of everything.
Speaker 11: So well, we know you're going to jail, we know.
Speaker 8: So if that's a problem, problem, Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 8: I think there's some things.
Speaker 3: At some point.
Speaker 8: I think when everybody gets back to their all back home,
Speaker 8: we're gonna start hearing some whispers which.
Speaker 3: Is about a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all yep, And we'll talk about it
Speaker 2: on Thursday too.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take our second break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to give a post
Speaker 2: combine guess of who the pick would be at twenty four?
Speaker 3: Who is it as we sit today? When we come
Speaker 3: back right after this?
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Coowboys dot Com Draft Show.
Speaker 2: Back here on the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte.
Speaker 3: Catching some straight.
Speaker 4: That's a fact.
Speaker 3: That's how it goes. Anyway, Uh back here with Bryant
Speaker 3: brought us.
Speaker 2: Nick Carols that evaluated Bobby Belt Ayisha Morrison.
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yellmans.
Speaker 2: I didn't put this on the rundown on purpose because
Speaker 2: I wanted to be from the heart. I don't want
Speaker 2: any preparation going into it. I wanted to be gut
Speaker 2: feeling as we sit today on March fifth, fifty one
Speaker 2: days away from the NFL Draft, who is the pick
Speaker 2: at twenty four? After the combine, after hearing the murmurs,
Speaker 2: after hearing the rumors, and kind of seeing how that
Speaker 2: all unfolded and how things could unfold this next week
Speaker 2: in free agency? Who is your pick at twenty four? Bobby,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'll be honest.
Speaker 9: It's I feel pretty confident right now that the direction will.
Speaker 4: Be as offensive line.
Speaker 9: So now it's just a matter of as Brian has
Speaker 9: talked about, for it's ice cream, like, so you know,
Speaker 9: does somebody have a real strong affinity for Guiton or
Speaker 9: you know, is there somebody who's really in love with
Speaker 9: Mims near the top ten? Like I mean, I don't
Speaker 9: think last year we anticipated Darnell Wright going ten to Chicago.
Speaker 9: That was a little high. And so with that, like
Speaker 9: with the unpredicted what's gonna fall there? I feel confidence
Speaker 9: offensive line right now. I would lean towards Mimes is
Speaker 9: the pick right now to me? But I just again,
Speaker 9: it's the lack of film is obviously concerning but what's
Speaker 9: been put on film is really, really good and the
Speaker 9: measurables are absolutely insane. And so I just I wonder
Speaker 9: if somebody's going to fall in love in the top
Speaker 9: fifteen and just say I can make that work. And
Speaker 9: I'll roll the dice on the limited amount. I'll take
Speaker 9: eight games in the SEC and what he showed me,
Speaker 9: and so but right now I would go offensive line
Speaker 9: for sure.
Speaker 4: I'll say Mems is the pick.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is a question I was asking myself throughout
Speaker 6: the week while I was in Indianapolis. It was going
Speaker 6: for first, second, and third round. And I'll kind of
Speaker 6: walk you through my thought process of where I'm at
Speaker 6: currently today. So beginning of the week, I'm looking at
Speaker 6: h Marrius Mims and I'm saying, Okay, that's an option
Speaker 6: there at twenty four. I think, you know, with this
Speaker 6: tackle class, maybe he's the one that kind of gets
Speaker 6: shuffled down a little bit.
Speaker 7: You get some really good value on a really good
Speaker 7: tackle there at twenty four.
Speaker 6: Then he tests, then he measures, and then he does
Speaker 6: everything else to make himself look like Thanos, and I
Speaker 6: just don't see him. I don't see him there at
Speaker 6: twenty four. I'd be so shocked to see him there.
Speaker 6: So I think he's going to fall in that fifteen
Speaker 6: to twenty range where that's going to be that first
Speaker 6: big wave of offensive line. So as I started to
Speaker 6: come to that opinion early in the week, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm looking at Troy Filetanu out of Washington. You know,
Speaker 6: it's he had an awesome week talk about guys that
Speaker 6: were maybe lost in the shuffle. A little bit that
Speaker 6: emerged from that file Tanu is that. And so I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm coming out of Combine week like okay, before they test,
Speaker 6: and I'm saying, Okay, Filetanu, that's probably the guy at
Speaker 6: twenty four. You look at what he can do at tackle,
Speaker 6: what he can do at guard, and the the any
Speaker 6: questions about athleticism absolutely run away from run away from
Speaker 6: from his board, just from what he was able to
Speaker 6: do from a testing his perspective. So I'm looking at that,
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, twenty four. And then I'm seeing mock
Speaker 6: drafts this morning seeing him at like fourteen, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: So on the board either Jordan Morgan, I think that's
Speaker 6: my pick.
Speaker 3: You look at you.
Speaker 6: Look at experience, that at left tackle, you need a
Speaker 6: guy that can come in and be ready to play.
Speaker 6: I think that's the dude that can do it. He
Speaker 6: he does everything really well. Talk about that high floor.
Speaker 6: I think that's the guy they need this next year.
Speaker 6: And I think he still got a little bit to
Speaker 6: his game that you can unlock. Isn't as much as
Speaker 6: these other guys, probably not, but I like what Jordan
Speaker 6: Morgan brings. And the only difference I have him a
Speaker 6: little bit different from Tyler Guyden is the fact that
Speaker 6: Guiden's experience experience comes mostly at right tackle, and I
Speaker 6: think that's probably where he's gonna fit best at the
Speaker 6: next level. Jordan Morgan gave me a left tackle at
Speaker 6: twenty four.
Speaker 3: Kay played at thirty nine college games.
Speaker 2: By the twenty four hundred snaps along the way, Ryan,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 8: I think they go Morgan in the first. I think
Speaker 8: they go Limber in the third. The center from Arkansas, Wow,
Speaker 8: would be my guess.
Speaker 3: Tell me about Limmer a little bit, go ahead going no, no,
Speaker 3: no no.
Speaker 10: I was so.
Speaker 11: I watched him last night because obviously he decided to
Speaker 11: Bolimmer from Arkansas center. I watched him. I watched him
Speaker 11: last night because everyone was talking about him, and also too,
Speaker 11: he just went crazy on the bench because okay, why
Speaker 11: he had to. I wrote down he embodies low man
Speaker 11: wins and when you see his stance and you see
Speaker 11: how quickly he pops out that stance with power, he
Speaker 11: latches and he anchors quickly. He has good recovery as well,
Speaker 11: to where you can tell his core strength is strong
Speaker 11: because he'll wrestle with folks, but you just see him
Speaker 11: the lower body strength in the timing of the anchor
Speaker 11: is something that stood out to me. He can steal
Speaker 11: to the next level and get to the next level
Speaker 11: really quickly.
Speaker 10: Because he's rangy and he's fast.
Speaker 11: He plays with balance and a lot of control, like
Speaker 11: he can he can really.
Speaker 10: Control a rep.
Speaker 11: Now I'm curious to see how well if he can
Speaker 11: do different things that if he can move across the line.
Speaker 11: I did see them at a senior bowl. He did
Speaker 11: do a couple things at guard, but mostly he just
Speaker 11: works at center. I just think I just think he
Speaker 11: plays with violence and he's an interesting player. And he
Speaker 11: came out and showed his strength and you can see
Speaker 11: it on film how strong he is and how quickly
Speaker 11: he can take over a rep when he decides to.
Speaker 11: So I like the player.
Speaker 10: I want to see what he's able to do at
Speaker 10: the next level as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, what she's got him nailed. Is he a little light?
Speaker 3: It's three h two is what he is? Strong? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's six ' five. He's got a frame
Speaker 3: to put it on. Yeah, he's uh.
Speaker 8: There's I wonder if teams are gonna not like him
Speaker 8: because of the lack of bulk.
Speaker 3: That might scare sentence.
Speaker 8: But I used just right. He's played the majority of
Speaker 8: his career at guard, and you could watch him play
Speaker 8: against big techniques. I used to write again about the
Speaker 8: way he's able to wrestle with guys, the way he's
Speaker 8: able to kind of sometimes his hands get a little
Speaker 8: wide and his hand placement could be a little lot,
Speaker 8: but once he gets a hold that guy, he's not
Speaker 8: letting go. He's a really good positional run blocker. He's
Speaker 8: got a nasty side to his game. The way he finishes.
Speaker 8: There's snaps, he gets a little sloppy, but he will
Speaker 8: get the job done. I like him as a pass blocker.
Speaker 8: I like how he sits down. I like how he
Speaker 8: holds guys off. There's some knee bin. There's some balance.
Speaker 8: Uh man, he's not on the ground. He can come
Speaker 8: really close to being thrown on the ground, but he's not.
Speaker 4: On the grid.
Speaker 8: And I think he handles power well and at you know,
Speaker 8: at at three ZHO two. There could be some questions there,
Speaker 8: but everything about him is super super positive about the
Speaker 8: toughness and the nastiness and his ability to get to
Speaker 8: that second level.
Speaker 9: Real quick question, do you think on the lighter center discussion,
Speaker 9: team's minds have been changed by I mean, Jason Kelsey
Speaker 9: just retired yesterday. He's a lighter center breed. Humphrey is
Speaker 9: just over three hundred. Linderbaum has had success in I
Speaker 9: wonder if like people just look at it and say,
Speaker 9: as long as I got two strong guards bracketing you,
Speaker 9: I'm not worried as much about us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's I think there's some there's some
Speaker 8: absolute truth to that, like I said, but there's some
Speaker 8: teams that just say he's just to tick over three
Speaker 8: hundred pounds and they won't go that direction. But you
Speaker 8: make a great point about the others that we've seen,
Speaker 8: that there are some successful ones that we have seen.
Speaker 6: A question I was trying to ask this week when
Speaker 6: it came to center specifically, is because I had to
Speaker 6: get out of town before they were able to hit
Speaker 6: the field what was Sunday. So what I was trying
Speaker 6: to get mostly out of the center conversation is who
Speaker 6: are the guys that are impressing in meetings? Because there's
Speaker 6: so much that is relied upon at the center position
Speaker 6: as far as pre snap and being able to be
Speaker 6: in communication with quarterback and understanding those things.
Speaker 7: The name that kept getting brought up and brought up
Speaker 7: is Center, Vamper and Granger, and I.
Speaker 6: Think that's I think with his knowledge, what he brings
Speaker 6: to the whiteboard and what he was able to do
Speaker 6: in that aspect in Indianapolis really impressing people. I think
Speaker 6: that's another guy to be sure and circle back to,
Speaker 6: just because he's always had that strength and force, but
Speaker 6: it's still really raw, I think as well.
Speaker 7: But he's got the IQ I think to put it together.
Speaker 6: Talk about instincts and being able to develop those, I
Speaker 6: think SVP's got that.
Speaker 3: Who's your pick at twenty four Asia.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they named him just because I've definitely been paying
Speaker 11: attention to all these freaking mind drafts and some of
Speaker 11: the conversation because I know how that goes down. But yeah,
Speaker 11: I thought Jordan Morgan would be the guy that made sense.
Speaker 10: So you guys definitely took But.
Speaker 11: I will say I don't know. Wide receiver is just
Speaker 11: it's something to me. It's just something to me. I
Speaker 11: know that we we think they're going to go off
Speaker 11: as some line, but I mean.
Speaker 7: There's gonna be a shiny object there twenty four. We
Speaker 7: just talk about it.
Speaker 10: Talking about listen. So in my mind, so I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait for I should look up and see one
Speaker 2: of those receivers, those top receivers, would be like.
Speaker 3: Pull the trigger, go for it, don't window dress.
Speaker 8: Do you think I think there'll be a city lamp
Speaker 8: situation where the player is just too good to pass
Speaker 8: up on the board.
Speaker 10: I think it's possible with this draft.
Speaker 7: I think it's very possible.
Speaker 11: It is very possible that Beats there's going to be
Speaker 11: a first round talent right there that you can take
Speaker 11: from a wide receiver position from the But you have.
Speaker 6: To have the luxury of having the opportunity to pull
Speaker 6: that trigger by what you do in free agency?
Speaker 4: How many how.
Speaker 9: Many quarterbacks do you think go ahead of Dallas after
Speaker 9: the combine if there are people talking like it could Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 9: Daniels McCarthy nex there's four for sure, or could be
Speaker 9: two others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking I would say five, so split the difference.
Speaker 10: Quarterback getting my nerves a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I'm I supposed to say that loud, but.
Speaker 11: They just get on my nerves a little bit. Like
Speaker 11: I mean, I get I get, I get that they're
Speaker 11: starting and these young players are starting to understand their
Speaker 11: position and what the position calls for and the fact
Speaker 11: that you are it's a premier position.
Speaker 10: I get it.
Speaker 11: I do want them to be cognizant of their health,
Speaker 11: their mental health and those things of that nature. But
Speaker 11: I I mean, it's just hard to It's just we're
Speaker 11: watching tape on them, but it's hard to separate them
Speaker 11: right now for me because of the lack of of
Speaker 11: of testing, because of the lack of information, and again
Speaker 11: we're not real scouts, so it's like, besides, Briny, he did.
Speaker 10: It, so I mean, we're not filled. We've never done
Speaker 10: we've never done it at that level.
Speaker 11: But at the same token, it's like it's difficult to
Speaker 11: navigate separating these guys right now and it's getting on
Speaker 11: my damn nerves and I really would like to know
Speaker 11: who's who. And also too, you look across the NFL,
Speaker 11: we know how important the quarterback position is. When quarterbacks
Speaker 11: come in, they can change your franchise if they're good.
Speaker 3: Make it also downgrade a franchise too. We can all
Speaker 3: get fired if we don't pick the rua.
Speaker 11: Let me tell you the minute that I hear whispers like, oh,
Speaker 11: this guy's going to Washington, I'm prepping.
Speaker 10: I'm about to start prepping right now. How do we
Speaker 10: beat this guy? What are his tendency sneeze like that?
Speaker 11: So it is a bit selfish and fair, I would maybe,
Speaker 11: I mean, I know it is a bit selfish, but
Speaker 11: I am at the point where I'm just like, all right,
Speaker 11: let's wrap this up. We know where y'all are going,
Speaker 11: so we can start looking at what things are gonna
Speaker 11: shape shape out as.
Speaker 2: So your guys, Jordan Morgan at twenty four, any shiny
Speaker 2: object there that you would you would pick if he
Speaker 2: hell ceed lamb situation.
Speaker 11: I have a I really really really like Ada and
Speaker 11: I how.
Speaker 10: Do you say his name?
Speaker 7: At Texas? But I think he's technically going back as yeah.
Speaker 11: I mean, and there's there's quite a few wide receivers
Speaker 11: that if I see them fall, I wouldn't mind. I
Speaker 11: think I like, I like Ricky, I like I like
Speaker 11: Oh Pearsol, I like yeah from Florida. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 11: mean yeah. The route running is just insane from him, obviously.
Speaker 11: Keyon Coleman is a guy that's been circling from f
Speaker 11: s U. I I just think there's gonna be somebody there.
Speaker 11: I unless something happens, there's gonna be someone there there.
Speaker 11: So I'm just gonna prepare my heart and mind for
Speaker 11: if that happens that night and we're sitting in these years.
Speaker 3: They take offensive line.
Speaker 8: If Mimes is there, you take him though. I mean,
Speaker 8: I guess I know what you just said here. But
Speaker 8: if Mems is Mims or the Washing Kid.
Speaker 7: Uh PLATANU, I'm taking Mems.
Speaker 3: I would take Mems. Memes, by the way, Memes is
Speaker 3: my I would take the Washington Kid. Why is that
Speaker 3: just experiences?
Speaker 8: No, I just I think that I think that kid
Speaker 8: right there again, I go back to the experience. I
Speaker 8: go back to the guy that's played a lot of
Speaker 8: snaps and stuff, And I know Mems is I know
Speaker 8: Mems is on a lot of people's boards. Is uhh
Speaker 8: that type of guy. But when you start to talk
Speaker 8: about left tackles and athletic ability and effortless in the
Speaker 8: way he plays, light on his feet, positioning, body balance,
Speaker 8: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: A kid at Washington's got it. He's got it together.
Speaker 3: He really. He makes a lot of wild blocks.
Speaker 11: I'm on the fence because I struggle with because my anxiety.
Speaker 11: I struggle with not if I don't got enough information,
Speaker 11: I can't It's difficult to make a determination.
Speaker 3: So would you take over, Mims, I'll die on that hill.
Speaker 10: I would have to go back. I see, I see
Speaker 10: it with Memes.
Speaker 11: I feel like I need like one more thing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like I don't know.
Speaker 11: I don't know if it's pro day, I don't know
Speaker 11: what it is. But I feel like I need to
Speaker 11: see him a little bit more. I know what he's
Speaker 11: capable of. I know what you're saying. I feel like
Speaker 11: Nick was right when he's like, hey man, we can
Speaker 11: see it right there in front of us, when he's
Speaker 11: capable of. But it's like we just that position is
Speaker 11: just so important to just be making those type of
Speaker 11: decisions on. So I don't know do you know who
Speaker 11: Fontine News said that was the hardest guy?
Speaker 10: Is that how he says?
Speaker 13: Same?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 11: That gentleman said that the hardest person he played against
Speaker 11: was Doorless.
Speaker 10: If I'm not I'm cheating. But that's a guy that
Speaker 10: I had to go back. I'm cheating.
Speaker 11: I wanted to add him. I had to go back
Speaker 11: and watch him last night because I just, well, how
Speaker 11: how did you feel about how you tested?
Speaker 6: Talking about door lest specifically, I didn't really get a
Speaker 6: good opportunity to dive into defensive line.
Speaker 7: Obviously.
Speaker 6: That's that's probably the one position that I need to
Speaker 6: go back on the most as far as what happened
Speaker 6: last week, because I was right in the middle of
Speaker 6: what I was when I was running around a million
Speaker 6: million hours an hour, million hours an hour.
Speaker 7: Basically we understood.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I love dor list of what he put together
Speaker 6: at the Senior Bowl, and I love his position flex.
Speaker 6: I think you can move him around. I think I
Speaker 6: think he's the most versatile defensive line in this draft.
Speaker 6: You can play Hi anywhere up front.
Speaker 10: He's interesting, he's interesting.
Speaker 11: Like I said, I enjoyed his tape, and I'm just
Speaker 11: I'm curious to see how people start to look at him.
Speaker 10: So if you guys have opinions, please let me know.
Speaker 11: But we've been talking about Troy Filetanu and I was
Speaker 11: just like, he literally said that was the hardest player
Speaker 11: I played against, and that I think that says a
Speaker 11: lot about what he thinks about Dorless. If we think
Speaker 11: this guy could go first round, just.
Speaker 6: Really quick to the point of shiny object. At number
Speaker 6: twenty four of these are the formal meetings. That are
Speaker 6: some of them that the Cowboys had last week with
Speaker 6: receivers Keyon Coleman Florida State, Troy Franklin, Oregon at a night,
Speaker 6: Mitchell Texas, Xavier Worthy, Texas, Brian Thomas Junior lsu So,
Speaker 6: five potential first round wide receivers. The Cowboys are doing
Speaker 6: their due diligence there. They're trying to figure out what's
Speaker 6: going on at that position too, So don't be surprised, man,
Speaker 6: don't do not be surprised if free agency allows to
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 10: At twenty four, I would.
Speaker 3: Letter, will this in new existence? Aren't you? I don't
Speaker 3: think you want to start Team forty Burger back we
Speaker 3: can make that happen.
Speaker 11: Struggling with it because the way out talk about it, Babe.
Speaker 10: We still ain't talked about how they gonna run the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, all.
Speaker 11: The shiny toy thing is cool, but if an offensive
Speaker 11: lineman means they'll make me to.
Speaker 7: Run the ball, I am with you. I'm just saying,
Speaker 7: don't be surprised.
Speaker 10: I'm on like, will the shiny toy be nice?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Do you need to be able to run the ball
Speaker 11: in the playoffs when it matters most more?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 2: Well, the good news is they have fifty days to
Speaker 2: figure it out. The bad news is they have fifty
Speaker 2: days and only fifty days to figure it out, and
Speaker 2: then of course April twenty fifth comes around very very quickly.
Speaker 3: We'll be back on Thursday to break it down for
Speaker 3: you a little bit more. It's good to be back.
Speaker 2: It feels like every time we have the weekend off
Speaker 2: and then yeah, you're right back into it. It feels
Speaker 2: like it's it's a lifego. But don't have to wait
Speaker 2: very long for the next episode. We'll be back eleven
Speaker 2: am on Thursday for Bobby Belt, Nick Harris Brian brought
Speaker 2: us Aisham Morrison. I'm Kyle Yoma saying so long from
Speaker 2: the Draft show.
Speaker 3: We'll see you on Thursday.
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