1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to favor Prediction of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vocal Bam, and today 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: we've got a classic episode for you about gingerbread. Yes, 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: as promised in our recent episode on ginger indeed, Uh yeah, 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: we we went ahead and listened to it and we're like, oh, yeah, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: this doesn't suck. We can we can reread. There's a 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: lot of talk about like gingerbread horror movies and you know, 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: so it's a far flowing episode for many reasons that 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: many episodes of ours are are like that to be Yeah, yeah, yeah, 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: And this one actually came out in in the summer 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: when we originally did it right, right, Yeah, August of 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: eighteen was the original air date for this one. Um, 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: because as we mentioned in the episode, Annie, you just 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: really had a bug about what gingerbread like buildings, like 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: what gingerbread architecture is all about. I'm still you know, 16 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: I understand my past self. I can see why she 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: wanted to know. And it's one of my favorite things. 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: Like after that, listeners sent as all of these amazing 19 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: these just feats of gingerbread architecture, and it blows my mind. 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: It's it's mind blowing. Um and uh a, okay, So 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: so if anyone hears any kind of construction noise in 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: the background, that's because construction is happening outside my window 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: right now. I can't really, I can't really stop it. 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean I guess I could if I really tried 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: to use my powers for good. Um yeah yeah, so um, 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: so apologies if that is bothering anyone. Hopefully it doesn't 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: come through that hard. But uh. Secondly, in on the 28 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: topic of gingerbread, yes, um, right right now as this 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: is about to air. Um, all of the like recent 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: news headlines about gingerbread are related to upcoming holiday season 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: gingerbread construction contests. And I am so excited to read 32 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Google in like a month and like see the results 33 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: of all of this. Yes, me too. I want to 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: go down like a nerdy of course I do nerdy gingerbread, 35 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: like if someone tried like the Death Star something I 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: need to know. I need to know. Yeah. And speaking 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: of right, yeah, because you were gifted a nerd themed 38 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: gingerbread kit last year, right, yes, from super producer Dylan Fagin, 39 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: who knows me so well. He gave me a Marvel 40 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: Avenger's new York City Battle gingerbread kit, and as I've 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: mentioned previously, like a while back, I was going to 42 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: use it in our Dungeons and Dragons campaign that Lauren 43 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: and I have been in for many many years. It 44 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: is many many years, And I was going to build 45 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: a Dungeons and Dragons diorama with this Marvel Avengers gingerbread kit, 46 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: which is exactly as nerdy as it sounds. And I 47 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: did it. Listeners, it happened. Lauren was a witness. Yeah, no, 48 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: she she did, y'all. It was the the cookies were decorated, um, 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: it was, it was thematically appropriate. She involved lighting with this. 50 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: The diorama that was very fancy, thank you, and and 51 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: the and these gingerbread pieces lasted through like a couple 52 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: of years of this game. Yeah. So so what happened 53 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: was Dying gave to me and then I don't think 54 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: I got around to using it for a year. A 55 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: long time time is weird, but it was. It was 56 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: a decent amount of time. I think it was almost 57 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: a year because it was he gave it to me 58 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: in December of the previous year, and I don't think I, 59 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: like built it until maybe September. I think that's right. Um. 60 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: And then due to scheduling difficulties, I had it built 61 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm so proud of it, and the 62 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: party gets there and I'm like, oh, behold, but then 63 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the power went out on somebody's connection, so we had 64 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: to postpone, and like we didn't get to I didn't 65 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: get to use it again for three months. And I 66 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: was opening it, I'm like, there's gonna be all these 67 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: plugs in. Here's gonna be rotten. Nope, still smelled good, 68 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: perfect perfect condition. I don't know how I feel about that, 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: but that was the case. I did not eat it. 70 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: If anyone's like, oh my god, now that's probably that's 71 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: probably for the best. Although I mean, you know, if 72 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: you don't see mold growing on it, it's probably okay. 73 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's probably the anti microbial properties of both 74 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: sugar and maybe ginger and some of those other spices 75 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: in there. That's just keeping it nice and preserved. Lauren, 76 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: always with the science, even in my very sim in 77 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: diorama made of ginger bread. Yeah, it smelt great, um. 78 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: And you know, just because I know some of you've 79 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: written in which we really appreciate about our D n 80 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: D a sides and uh we finished the campaign. We did, 81 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: or at least we finished my Yeah. Yeah, it's like 82 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: a year and a half it has Yeah, we only 83 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: managed to get together about once a month. Um because 84 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: uh yeah, our our other co workers who also have 85 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: kids are are our co players and so um so 86 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: scheduling everybody is difficult. But but yeah, yeah we we 87 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: we were victorious. We didn't we didn't term the entire party. 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: It was so great. I felt so much power, the 89 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: fear lived for it. I was only worried for a 90 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: few seconds. There was only a couple of times that 91 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I was worried. She tells us afterwards that, like we 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: were perilously close to ay, like a random role that 93 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: would have just boned us forever, like just boned those 94 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: characters into unusability forever. So I'm glad that that didn't happen. 95 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that that didn't happen. I was. You know, 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: there's a it's a weird place being a d M, 97 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: because there's a part of you that's like really wants 98 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: to win and wants you to lose. But then I'm 99 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: also your friend, and I don't want to ruin the games. 100 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: Almost I don't want them to. It's an interesting uh 101 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: intersection share share There's a balance. There's a balance there 102 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: for sure. And you know, you know, if I've been 103 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: I've been playing this uh, this tiefly Barbarian for like 104 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: three years now, and uh, if something had happened to her, 105 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: you know, I would be sad. I would be sad. 106 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: But um, but it would be okay. You know, Oh 107 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: you're you're a bigger woman than I. I think I'd 108 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: be devastated my character, but maybe that's just a difference 109 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: in personality as well. Um, but yeah, I'm sure we'll 110 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: pick it back up soon. And we actually have another 111 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: campaign running at the same the same time. But I 112 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: thought we'd give you an update on the old Gingerbread 113 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Diarrama campaign. Oh yeah, for for anyone who was curious. 114 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: There there he also, I took all these videos of 115 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: of it, and I like after every session, and I'm 116 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: gonna string it together and it's gonna be really funny. 117 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: I think I always do what I think it's gonna happen, 118 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: and then I do a post like, well, of course 119 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: that did happened. Oh that's great, Yeah, you should post 120 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: that somewhere. That would be mortifying. I'm sure. Uh yeah, 121 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's usually pretty funny. It's usually like, well, 122 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: stop mortifying for you, mortifying for like us the players. 123 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I think it was very, 124 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: very funny. It was always like, well, I thought they 125 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: were going to go do this really important thing, but 126 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: they wanted to go shopping instead. Instead, they spent the 127 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: entire session talking to an owl. Yes, did happen? Okay, yeah, 128 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: you know that's the fun of it. You gotta roll 129 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: with it, literally, um, and you know what, you also 130 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: got to roll out gingerbread. Oh there you go. Good 131 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: tie back. All right, I guess without further ado, we 132 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: will get into this classic episode and let former Annie 133 00:08:53,160 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: and Lauren take it away. Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. 134 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm an Aries and I'm Lauren voc Obam And today 135 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: it's Christmas in July, apparently because we're talking about gingerbread. Yes, 136 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: we could not wait for the holidays. It was impossible 137 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: to ask you you could not wait for the holidays. 138 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: And I was willing to come on this journey with you. 139 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: Well you sold me out right at the beginning, Lauren. 140 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: But that's ok, that's okay. You're not sorry. I really 141 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of those dang houses. 142 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: I want to know why people do that, and we 143 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: will talk about that absolutely, and I have right at 144 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: the front. I feel like we could do this entire 145 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: episode about just my gingerbread memories because I've got a 146 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: lot of them. Yeah. Yeah, And one one of my 147 00:09:53,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: favorites is that every every Christmas, my family makes gingerbread. Okay, um, 148 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: we do make the pudding variety, which I've learned is 149 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: not technically ginger with some people like to fight with 150 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: me over whether or not that's really ginger. What's the 151 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: pudding variety? You like? Put butter scotch putting in there. 152 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: They're much softer and less like spicier. I prefer them. 153 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, people like to fight about those things. Um, 154 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: so you make them every Christmas. And one Christmas when 155 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: I was fourteen, I had my best friend over and 156 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: we made the gingerbread. And it's kind of a big ordeal, 157 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: Like we frost them, we sprinkled the whole thing, the 158 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: whole thing. It takes eight minutes for them to cook. 159 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: So I remember this because I came downstairs hoping to 160 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: enjoy a wonderful warm plate of cookies and instead I 161 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: find a note taped to the oven and it says, 162 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man. And it 163 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: was followed by a clue as to where his whereabouts. 164 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this did he lead lead you on 165 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a scavenger Huh? He did? There were fourteen clues, fourteen clues, 166 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: and my friend and I, fourteen years old, had to 167 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: go on the scavenger hunt and my mom, it was 168 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: my mom, surprise, surprise, it wasn't It wasn't actually the 169 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: gingerbread man. But I love actually thought to do this 170 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: for the first time as were like teenagers. But we 171 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: loved it so much that we kind of begrudgingly asked 172 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: her to do it again next year and it became 173 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: a tradition. Um. And another thing I love about our 174 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: gingerbread tradition is my younger brother used to make what 175 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: he would call a broken home. He would make like 176 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: your traditional because we had a woman and a daughter 177 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: and a son. He would just make a bunch of 178 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: them and then he's like, rip their arms off and 179 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: stick them on their heads or whatever, and then he 180 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: put a heart in the middle and he'd break it 181 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: and asked goodness. And when I asked him why he 182 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: did this, he said, we're gonna bite their heads off. Anyway, 183 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: he revealed to me that that messed him up for 184 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: a while as a kid, because he was younger when 185 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the gingerbread man right away at our house and when 186 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: he thought, well, if it's an animate, living being and 187 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: we're just eating it, it really wow, it really did 188 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: a game number on Well. I hope he's recovered. I 189 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: think so I do have some funny pictures I should 190 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: perhaps post of the broken home. That does sound pretty great. 191 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: It's very creative. I've got to say. Um, yeah, so 192 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: I have a lot of experience with gingerbread in my lifetime. Yeah, 193 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I I do not have such a strong gingerbread family tradition. 194 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: Are are cookie decorating is usually with sugar cookies in 195 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: my home. So that's my dad's preferred He would very 196 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: much prefer if we did that as opposed to gingerbread. 197 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: But outvoted. Yeah, yeah, I you know I like cookies. 198 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: I can't really Oh my gosh, me too. My cookie 199 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: dessert chart, well, my dessert chart cookies out the top. 200 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Cookies and pie and doughnuts are number those are the 201 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: top three. Anyway, Um, this will probably be a future 202 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: food fairy tale. Yeah, totally, Yeah, we should. I would 203 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,479 Speaker 1: love to do a good dramatic reading of a gingerbread 204 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: man story. It There are, as it turns out, all 205 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: long history of those things, and I'll get into that 206 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: in a little while. But yes, in the meanwhile, gingerbread 207 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: what is it? Great question because originally, like medieval Europe, 208 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: originally gingerbread simply meant preserved ginger. It didn't shift to 209 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: encompass the desserts we think of nowadays until the fifteenth century, 210 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: and that nowadays definition is pretty loose. A combination of 211 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: ginger and a sweetener like sugar, treacle, molasses and we're honey. Yeah. 212 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: A variety of baked goods are called ginger bread, from 213 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: cakes ranging from dense to delicate, and cookies ranging from soft, 214 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: too chewy to crunchy. Ginger and a non white form 215 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: of sugar are the most important ingredients of brown sugar, molasses, 216 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: and etcetera helped give ginger bread it's it's distinctive kind 217 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: of roasty color, but it's also frequently seasoned with other warm, 218 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: wintry spices like cinnamon, clove, and nutmeg, and of course 219 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: because it's baked good, butter and flour are usually involved 220 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: or some sim lacrum thereof. In many traditions, the cookies 221 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: are shaped and decorated with candies and white icing or glaze, 222 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: or maybe covered with chocolate or filled with sweet stuff 223 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: like marzipan. That reminds me one of my first memories 224 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: is making gingerbread house. Yeah, yeah, I had a big party, 225 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: um and we all made gingerbread houses. I think it's 226 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: my third birth Oh my goodness. Huh, yeah, that seems 227 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: like a a tall order for three year olds. It's 228 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: a lot of destroying of the gingerbread houses for sure, 229 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of just sticking gum drops everywhere design. 230 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think this house has already made and 231 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: we were just decorating them. Anyway, Lots of memories in 232 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: this old brain. And there's a lot of different types 233 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: of gingerbread around the world, as you could probably guess, 234 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: and building gingerbread houses is no joke. In parts of Germany, Russia, 235 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: Poland and the Czech Republic and France, there are gingerbread 236 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: regulations sanctioned by the government Circle of the Middle Ages. 237 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: There's a museum of gingerbread and torn Poland it's on 238 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: the site of a gingerbread factory that opened back in 239 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: five and ran for a whole century. In torn bakers 240 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: still guard their recipes like very carefully, but apparently they 241 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: involve aging the dough for up to a year, which 242 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: means that my very favorite thing is probably involved bacteria. Boop. 243 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: I wonder how many people said that with you. I 244 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: like to hope at least two a solid too, is 245 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: what I'm hoping. If you're curious as to why gingerbread 246 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: are such a fall winter treat, it might be because, um, 247 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of those spices present in gingerbread cookies or 248 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: gingerbread were believed to have warming abilities, and it kind 249 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: of makes you wonder about the warm feeling you get 250 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: from comfort food, or it did for me at least. Um. 251 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: These spices also were reminiscent of the gifts of the 252 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Magi to Baby Jesus. And speaking of it's also possible 253 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: that since the cookies are meant to look like men, 254 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: but they kind of really more looked like babies, they 255 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: might have come to represent the Baby Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, 256 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: And of course, gingerbread is also a flavor now. Um, 257 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: you can find recipes online for gingerbread brownies and cookie 258 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: bars and trifles and cupcakes and cheesecakes and layer cakes 259 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and popcorn and French toast, you name it. The gingerbread latte, 260 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: the gingerbread latte, Yes, I look. Gingerbread pancakes served with 261 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: lemon curd is one of the best things on the 262 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: whole planet. And diners that serve a year round are 263 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: the very best diners. You can fight me. I'm on 264 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: board and I want to go now. I've never had 265 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: that before, and I love gingerbreads here here in Atlanta, 266 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Java jive does it. There's my My original gingerbread pancake 267 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: experience was in Austin, and I'm forgetting the name of 268 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: the place off the top of my head, but it 269 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: was clearly like a transcendental experience for me. Wow. Alright, well, 270 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm adding that to the to do list. Gingerbread has 271 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: shown up in a lot of cultural things as well 272 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: a lot of media. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. Gingerbread 273 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: cookies were the couple in question in the Cookie Suit Trap. 274 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: The gingerbread people are the main characters in the game 275 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: Candy Land. Um. They also make up the Nutcracker's Army 276 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: and The Nutcracker gingerbread Men guest starred on The Muppet 277 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: Show operated by Frank oz Um and the Geni. Of course, 278 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: in the film series Struck and I seem to remember 279 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: some violent gingerbread men in Crampus. It sounds right, I believe. 280 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: So there's a whole scene where people are getting not killed, 281 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: but hurt very very badly by cookies. Um. There's the 282 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: Robert Altman film The gingerbread Man with Kenneth Brenna and 283 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. Which is a legal thriller despite the name. Um, 284 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: and I also saw a really bad horror movie called 285 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: The Ginger dead Man, where the ashes of a serial 286 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: killer were added into a gingerbread mix and then baked 287 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: into one murderous cookie. And the sequels are called Passion 288 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: of the Crust and Saturday Night Cleaver. M There's also 289 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: that Stephen King novela The Gingerbread Girl. It's true. Yeah. Um. 290 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: The Brothers Grim never included a gingerbread man type story 291 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: in their collections, but the two thousand five Terry Gilliam 292 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: film The Brothers Graham did feature this, like mud Monster 293 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: gingerbread Man, that sort of like possesses or rather like 294 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: absorbs a little boy. Yeah. Um. And there is of 295 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: course the fairy tale than the gingerbread Man, which we 296 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: will discuss a little bit more in death LYI there 297 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: and also aside one of my personal greatest fears, the 298 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: runners runs are runners diarrhea also goes by the gingerbread Man. 299 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: And going back to the novella by Stephen King, maybe 300 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: it's about a woman who runs too much, and it's called, yeah, 301 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: the Gingerbread Girls, So it could just be because like, 302 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: run can't catch me? If you can, it's pretty good 303 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: run run yeah, I see yeah, yeah, well I I 304 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: my mind was immediately like runners runs. My goodness, what 305 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: a nightmare it is. Stephen King. The nutritional qualities of 306 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: gingerbread perhaps obviously very vastly depending on the recipe that 307 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: you use, But you know, generally, y'all, it's a it's 308 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: a sweetened baked good, so it's a treat, not a 309 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: health food. Yeah. I only eat gingerbread the time we 310 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: make it, generally in a year, but I do eat 311 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the entire plate of cookies. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean 312 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't need to justify you do 313 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: not to myself perhaps, but not to you, um, if 314 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: we're talking about gingerbread numbers. Gingerbread is one of the 315 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: most popular winter holiday cookies in the US and in 316 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: much of Europe. In a New York chef by the 317 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: name of John Lovitch created a gingerbread village that covered 318 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: three hundred square feet that's about twenty eight square meters 319 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: and consisted of one point five tons of gingerbread structures, 320 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: including a hundred and thirty five residential buildings, twenty two 321 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: commercial buildings, cable cars, and an underground subway. We don't 322 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: even have cable cars. That sounds like bigger than some 323 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: small towns. It wasn't small so medium sized town. Yeah. 324 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Traditions golf Club and Viyron, Texas currently holds the record 325 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: for largest ginger at house. How big was it to ask? 326 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: It was big enough to need a permit? What? Yeah, 327 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: forty cubic feet Like many houses that used bricks, only 328 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: these four thousand bricks were made of ginger and that 329 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: took one thousand, eight hundred pounds of butter and over 330 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: one thousand ounces of ground ginger. It was huge. There 331 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: is also a Guinness record for the largest gingerbread man. 332 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: It was created by an Ikea in Oslo, Norway, in 333 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. He weighed six hundred and fifty one 334 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: kilos that's about one thousand, four hundred and thirty five pounds, 335 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: and was baked in a single piece. And y'all look, 336 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: look this one up. The photo on the Guinness website 337 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: is something that producer Dylan described as it's like a 338 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: group of scientists have this gingerbread man cryogenically frozen, and 339 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: some of them are like, don't wake it up. It's 340 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: a bad idea, and others are like, no, no, no, 341 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be totally fine. He said, And I agree 342 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: that he's never seen a group of people look so 343 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: serious about gingerbread, and he's never seen ginger dead man either. No. 344 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: I guess not. I guess not. Well, it's a cautionary tale. 345 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: I you know, who are we to play gods of Ginger? 346 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they are kind of Apparently we're 347 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: not the only ones who think they're a little frightening, 348 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: because they did show up in a lot of horror. Yeah, 349 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: I was. I was scared by the brothers Graham, Terry 350 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: Gillian version. Oh yeah, that's frightening. I UM one last 351 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: gingerbread memory from me. I last, I think last Christmas. UM. 352 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: Two christmases ago, I went on a very long cruise 353 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: with my then boyfriend and UM. It was the second 354 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: largest cruise ship in the world, and it had a 355 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: gingerbread display that was so realistic looking. I didn't realize 356 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: it was gingerbread until I'd walked past it like several 357 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: days in our I thought it was like model houses. 358 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: Holy heck, it was gingerbread. Very impressive. That is impressive. Uh. 359 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: Speaking of memories and history, we have some more gingerbread 360 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: history for you that isn't just Annie's. But first we 361 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: have a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 362 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. Ginger 363 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: root has roots all the way back to ancient China, 364 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: where it was used medicinally. Oh and also the ancient Egyptians. 365 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Men have used it in ceremonial practices. The ancient Romans 366 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: ate gingerbread, but what was more like honey cakes, probably 367 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: to rev up their libido, and possibly these gigs were 368 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: shaped like men with all the right anatomical bits. Ancient Romans, oh, 369 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: ancient Romans, Yes, the ancient Chinese weren't the only ones 370 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: that thought ginger had beneficial health properties. Henry the Eighth 371 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: snapped it up, and that's a ginger snaps pun for 372 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: one more horror movie reference in there um, and he 373 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: mixed it up with a couple of other things in 374 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: hopes of staving off the plague. Ginger is still used 375 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: for things like upset stomachs and nausea. I was given 376 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: some on a cruise ship once for seasickness. European sailors 377 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: working during the whaling and globalization colonization kind of eras 378 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: would buy hard gingerbread to take out with them on 379 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: long voyages for the purpose of settling their stomachs. Hold up, though, 380 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: the first recipe for gingerbread may have first appeared as 381 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: early as two thousand four b c E out of 382 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: ancient Greece, but this according to the book Making Gingerbread 383 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: Houses by Rhonda Massingham Heart. Ancient China followed suit with 384 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: their own recipe in tenth century c E. And then yes, 385 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: by the Middle Ages, Europe had their own take. And yes, 386 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: at first it was a rich person and food. Oh yeah, 387 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean you know you needed the sugar to make 388 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: it sweet. You needed the spices which were expensive, Oh 389 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: so expensive. Um and this year p n rsp is 390 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: closing in on our modern version. It referred to a 391 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: hard cookie that may or may not have been predecked 392 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: in gold guilding, similar to the guilding on colonial American houses. 393 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: Um and that's sometimes referred to as gingerbread work. Um 394 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: and These cookies were possibly shaped like kings, queens and animals. 395 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: If you were to attend to fair in England, France, 396 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: Germany and Holland during this time, you were pretty much 397 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: guaranteed to run into one of these gingerbreads, so much 398 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: so that they became known as gingerbread fairs, and the 399 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: cookies themselves were sometimes called fairingx huh. By eighty we 400 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: have references to a Polish version of gingerbread cookies called nicki, 401 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: derived from the word pepper. A lot of Northern European 402 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: countries words for gingerbread tend to derive from pepper, including 403 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: maybe my favorite, the Norwegian pepper packer pepper, Isn't it 404 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: fun to say? It is? That's fun? Um? In Germany, 405 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: these cookies often had messages on them, similar to the 406 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: candy slash sweethearts. Um, you're super all I need is 407 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: you things like that. Nuremberg was known as the gingerbread 408 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: capital of the world in the sixteen hundreds, and that 409 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: city's museum houses the oldest known recorded gingerbread recipe. To 410 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: this day, Nuremberg's gingerbread has quote protected geographical indication from 411 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: the European Union, like Champagne does in France. Um, they 412 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: don't make men so much as horses and hearts these days, 413 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: though I read that some other European countries kind of 414 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: look at as a skew for still making them. Yeah, 415 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Holy Roman Emperor Frederick the Third handed out cookies that 416 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: looked like him when he was campaigning, and seasons informed 417 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: the shape. You'd find flowers denoted spring, for instance, or 418 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: even arm ladies looking to grant their night of choice 419 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: luck during a tournament might present him with a cookie 420 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: or would eat a gingerbread husband to put out vibes 421 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: to the universe that you're looking to secure a real, 422 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: non cookie based man. But why though, if you could 423 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: have a cookie, I got a big I got a 424 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: big thing for cookies. These fancy gingerbread cookies came to 425 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: personify the English elite, and there were all kinds of 426 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: shape based superstitions, doctor fidelity, a pig for luck, a 427 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: baby for a child, a lion man for virility. There 428 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: was even a Swedish legend that it might grant wishes. 429 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: If you held a gingerbread and the palm of your 430 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: hand made a wish and then broke it with either 431 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: your thumb or index finger, and it broke into three pieces, 432 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: your wish would come true. Clearly, clearly, have to try 433 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: that next time. The idea of decorating cookies and shaping 434 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: them is largely due to Elizabeth the First who elevated 435 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: the gingerbread cookie game when she made cookies in the 436 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: shapes of dignitaries on her course. And these cookies were 437 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: made by whipping up a paste and pressing that that 438 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: paste into wooden molds. And at first this paste was 439 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: a mixture of bread crumbs, almond, meile, sugar, rosewater, and ginger. 440 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: In the sixteenth century, eggs came into the equation along 441 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: with other sweeteners. And you can find these molds and 442 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: museums today, and you'd find these cookies at weddings and wigs. 443 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: And it was possibly accepted as currency in some parts 444 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: of Europe for a short amount of time, and a 445 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: fun story suggests that Elizabeth First would only give a 446 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: cookie modeled after your likeness to you if you were worthy. 447 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: She deemed you worthy. If she found you coming up short, 448 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: she'd eat the cookie head first, probably within your view, 449 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: so you knew. I went to the trouble of having 450 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: this cookie made, and I'm eating it right in front 451 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: of you, head first. Yeah, all right, all Lizzie, Which 452 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: just about brings us to the ultimate question I want 453 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: to answer, what's the deal with those gingerbread houses? The 454 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: deal is sixteenth century Germans and their love of the 455 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: brother's grim story of Hansel and Gretel. A lot of 456 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: you are probably like, no, dub well, I wasn't. It's 457 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: sort of a chicken and egg type thing. Though. Did 458 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: the fairy tale lead to the creation of gingerbread houses? 459 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: Did gingerbread houses inspire the fairy tale, which in turn 460 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: popularized the gingerbread houses mysteries of history? No one knows anyho. 461 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: These early gingerbread houses were way nicer than when I'm 462 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: used to Not only did they add that gold guilding, 463 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: but they also had gold foil wall papering. Fancy related 464 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: gingerbread men were thought to be baked by witches, of course, 465 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: and then used as sort of voodoo dolls to cause 466 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: pain and perhaps death. Dead authorities made the baking and 467 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: eating of gingerbread men illegal in sixteen oh seven in 468 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: an attempt to quell witchcraft. That's some serious business. Well, 469 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're doing what you can, and 470 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: that's making other shapes that gingerbread men. Shakespeare mentioned gingerbread 471 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: in a play in quote, and I had but one 472 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: pity in the world. Thou shouldst have it to buy gingerbread. 473 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Oh and John Barrett claimed it had the power to 474 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: soothe your stomach. In the sixteenth century, as ginger became 475 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: more affordable, gingerbread finally ventured out of the aristocratic bubble, 476 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: And sometime after this it even kind of came to 477 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: mean the reverse. Gingerbread went from denoting fancy and elegant 478 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: to poor and maybe even a feminate. The harshest of 479 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: insults um take this quote from sixty seven's The Elder Brother. 480 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: He has an ass a piece of gingerbread guilt over 481 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: to please foolish girls and puppets. Uh yeah, yeah, kind 482 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: of kind of an insult based on like, oh, look 483 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: at how like overlay fancy you are, look at what 484 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: a pretender. Yeah, gingerbread cookies arrived to the New World 485 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: with the columnist in Virginia, candidates might offer a cookie 486 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: in an attempt to win your vote. Our old pal. 487 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: Author of American cookery, Amelia Simmons her that book came 488 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: with three different recipes for gingerbread, including this one for 489 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: soft gingerbread. So it's the second recipe. Rubs three pounds 490 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: of sugar, two pounds of butter into four pounds of flour, 491 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: Add twenty eggs, four ounces of ginger, four spoons rose water, 492 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: and then bake as the previous recipe number one. And 493 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: this soft kind was America's preferred kind. When Marquis de 494 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Lafayette visited the home of George Washington's mother Mary, she 495 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: made soft gingerbread for him. Um she made them in 496 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: both the shapes of eagles and kinks. Americans took the 497 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: idea of the gingerbread house and ran with it too. 498 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: It caught on on a more widespread level in America 499 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: than it did in Britain. And speaking of running with it, 500 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: The Gingerbread Boy was first published in eighteen seventy five, 501 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: and as it turns out there is a long tradition 502 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: in folklore of telling stories about runaway baked goods. What 503 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: there's okay. There's an in depth classification system for folklore, 504 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: and the gingerbread boy or gingerbread man, as we more 505 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: modernly know it, it's part of the Arena Thompson Uther type, 506 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: otherwise known as the runaway or fleeing pancake story, pancakes 507 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: gonna run away. There are all kinds of stories throughout 508 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: Europe about cakes or cookies or pancakes running off and 509 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: then mocking various animals and people about not being able 510 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: to catch and eat them. The the gingerbread man is 511 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: just the American version. Well, it makes more sense because 512 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: he has legs. How is it? Is it like rolling away? 513 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: You know? If I see a pancake just like rolling 514 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to know it's the apocalypse. As by the 515 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: baked goods are here. They're here, and they're mocking us. Yes. 516 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: But but the first printing of the gingerbread Boy, which 517 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: probably followed a long oral tradition, was in this children's 518 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: literary journal called St. Nicholas Magazine, and the unnamed author 519 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: wrote about it. The gingerbread Boy is not strictly original. 520 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: A servant girl from Maine told it to my children. 521 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: It interested them so much that I thought it was 522 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: worth preserving. I asked where she found it, and she 523 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: said that an old lady told it to her in 524 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: her childhood. But this printing was more of a story 525 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: than like the kind of sing songy rhyme thing that 526 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: we know today. I think the first printed version that's 527 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: close to our our modern gingerbread man rhyme was in 528 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: in the Ladies Home Journal, written by one Ella M. White. 529 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: You know the whole like like run run fast as 530 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: you can, you can't catch me, a little ginger red 531 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: man sort of thing. Yeah. By the time parent w 532 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: cousins published a child book of stories in nineteen eleven, 533 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: the wording that we're more familiar with today you can't 534 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: catch me, I'm the gingerbread man, was cemented, and that 535 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: gingerbread recipe of Mary Ball Washington's um would wind up 536 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: getting passed down to her daughter Betty, who served it 537 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: at her own home, the ken Moore Plantation in Virginia, 538 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: and that recipe would eventually wind up saving that historical site. 539 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: Though long forgotten, it was found in the homes attic 540 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: in nine two by members of the Ken Moore Association 541 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: and the Daughters of the American Revolution who needed like 542 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: thirty grand to fund necessary repairs to the estate, so 543 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: they typed up the recipe. They sold copies of it 544 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: to visitors for ten cents. Apiece eventually sold the rights 545 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: to it to a company that created a like gingerbread 546 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: mix for purchasing supermarkets, who also provided it at a 547 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: discount back to chapters of the Daughters of the American Revolution, 548 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: who sold it to benefit the ken More to Gerbread Cookies, 549 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: saving historical saving history. Yeah, and I wanted to like 550 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: sort of wrap up. We've got a little bit of 551 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: gingerbread science, but I wanted to sort of wrap up 552 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: with um. There's this great interview that author and Burn, 553 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: author of the book American Cake, did with The Philly Voice, 554 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: and she said this about gingerbread. As years passed, the 555 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: recipes like gingerbread that passed down through generations were always 556 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: baked for holidays, mostly Christmas. There's a wonderful phrase I 557 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: found while researching American Cake and it goes something like this, 558 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: The holidays preserve what every day loses in short, if 559 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: it weren't for holiday baking, we wouldn't be hanging onto 560 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: old recipes like gingerbread. I like to think of gingerbread 561 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: is the quintessential American cake. It's a revolutionary cake, and 562 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: that our early American settlers adapted old European methods of 563 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: baking gingerbread to new ingredients and ovens. It came to 564 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: represent this new land where people of all backgrounds could 565 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: find refuge. Every gingerbread recipe baked in homes to day 566 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: can speak about the people who first made it. And 567 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: then there's the aroma in your kitchen of gingerbread being baked. 568 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: It just makes you smile. One whiff and you know 569 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: the holidays are here. Yeah, that's lovely. I hadn't really 570 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: thought about that, about how there's so much tradition into 571 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: the behind the foods we eat around the holidays, And really, 572 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: if that tradition wasn't there, how many of those foods 573 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: would we still me eating. Yeah, like a lot of 574 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: modern holiday foods can be traced really directly to like 575 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: Victorian era, which borrowed them from a lot of other 576 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: other places. And so yeah, it's fascinating it is. Meanwhile, 577 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: in the winter of the Oregon Museum of Science and 578 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: Industry had an exhibit celebrating the engineering side of gingerbread construction, 579 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: and every year Discovery Cube, which is a couple of 580 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: science museums in California, hosts signs of gingerbread competitions to 581 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: create impressive of gingerbread structures, and they also have a 582 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: gingerbread car derby. Like a little gingerbread you build a 583 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: little gingerbread cars, And there's a derby. I am baking 584 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: a gingerbread car this year. Oh within that gingerbread cook 585 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: he's going to get away, so fast get away? Oh no, 586 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: all right, Well I'm pretty good, pretty confident. You're also 587 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: pretty fast. You do a lot of running, Annie. I 588 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: think I've been training for this my whole life. I 589 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: just didn't know. Um. And I do have a few 590 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of that, like gingerbread construction science for you, 591 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: some helpful hints for you to remember the next time 592 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: you're baking. Um. But first we've got one more quick 593 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 594 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. Yes cue. So, if you're looking to 595 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: construct your own gingerbread house or estate or palace or 596 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: getaway car, the internet does have some helpful hints for you. 597 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: I found an article in Popular Science called how to 598 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: Build a structurally sound Gingerbread House that was particularly useful. Um, first, 599 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: you're going to need to pick a gingerbread recipe that 600 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: does not use leavening agents, no eggs or baking powder 601 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: or what have you. And you're gonna need a blueprint 602 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: so that you'll know how much you need to bake 603 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: once you've got your dough rolled out, because you don't 604 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: want to use leveting agents because that will make it 605 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: puffy and therefore less sturdy. Right, my cookie recipe would 606 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 1: not work. No, No, you're you're gonna need to change 607 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: it up. Okay, okay, I can do that, all right. 608 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: And then once you have your dough rolled out, you're 609 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna want to use a sharp knife to cut the 610 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: shapes of the individual pieces out of the dough prior 611 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: to baking. But don't remove the extra along the edges, 612 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: because that way you'll reduce spreading of the edges of 613 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: your shapes. Yeah, yeah, you don't. You don't want them 614 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: to thin out, no bad times. You can cut away 615 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: the excess after baking. Once everything's baked and cut out, 616 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna need durable construction material, and that means proteins. 617 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: Royal icing made with egg whites, powdered sugar, and really 618 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: minimal other liquids will hold up pretty well as well. 619 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: Melted marshmallows, caramels, or gummies. Melted white chocolate can also 620 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: work well and has the advantage of firming up more 621 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: quickly than some of those other things. Support structures inside 622 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: the building will help distribute the weight of the walls 623 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: and the roof more evenly. And finally, Popular Science recommends 624 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: destroying your structure. I mean, you know, when you're ready, uh, 625 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: purposefully to see where the weak points are and thus 626 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: to build a better plan for next year. This is beautiful. 627 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: This sounds like a great project two for children to 628 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: undertake and to learn from. Right and if you want 629 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: even more specific advice and understand math a little bit 630 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: better than I do. U c L, a science and 631 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: food blog, made a really thorough post about the physics 632 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: involved called engineering the perfect gingerbread house. That's fantastic. Check 633 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: it out. I want to make one right now, and 634 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: there's nothing stopping you technically. I actually thought about making 635 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: cookies for this um, but we kind of randomly I 636 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: didn't think I was ever going to get to do 637 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: this in the middle of summer. Um, but I'm so excited. 638 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: I would just want to build things out of gingerbread. Yeah, 639 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: and think about physics, take pictures and like draw arrows. 640 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is where the structure. Check out discovery 641 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: cubes um signs of Gingerbread competition that some of the 642 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: photos from are really gorgeous and incredibly impressive, Like they 643 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: have they have an adult and child categories, and like 644 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: kids as young as like five making these structures that 645 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I could have built. So I'm like, well, 646 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm okay. We should have a competition in the office. 647 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: Some people I think would be really good. Oh man, 648 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: some people would be embarrassingly good. Heck, they're gonna put 649 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: me to shame, Annie. But we get to eat it 650 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: after we do. That's true. That's all that matters in 651 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: the end, isn't it. It is okay, And that brings 652 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: us to the end of this classic episode on Gingerbread. 653 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed it, and we hope that 654 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: you're having a safe and happy holiday. Oh please, if 655 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: you're if you're making something or making your own traditions, 656 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: your new traditions. 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