1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ, Bucky here on moved the sticks 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: as we marched towards the NFL scouting Combine and Buck Man. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I guess that's just let's not mess around here and 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: start right at the top. Biggest news story of the week, 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray baseball done and done. But we talked about this, DJ. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: We talked about it early when we started comparing the numbers. 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: When it came to the money. I know everyone was 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: excited about the four point six six million dollars signing 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: bonus day change then he got from the A's. But 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: when we just did the numbers and we looked at 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, me and at the bottom of the first round, 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: and he had seven maybe eight million dollars guaranteed on 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: a deal, We're like, if you're Cayler Murray and you 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: think that, okay, here the top three quarterbacks at worst, 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm the fourth. The fourth guy is going to be 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: in the first round, and I would say that depending 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: on how teams view him, he could be first or second. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: More money immediately in his hands, and then before we 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: even take the money into consideration. I just think the 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: kid loves football, because if he didn't love football, he 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: never would have dragged this out the entire way. I 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: don't think he would have played at Oklahoma. I don't 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: believe he would have kind of dangled. Oh, I may go, 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: I may try and do both. I believe in his 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: heart he's a football player. He's committed to play football, 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: and now we can evaluate him for what he is 28 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: as a talent. Yeah, I mean we kind of start 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: the process, you know. I kind of park him at 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: twenty nine on the list, kind of put him in 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: the holding tank. Let's see is he gonna play football? 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Let's see is he you know, how big is he? 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: That's the next question. We'll find out once we get 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: to the combine. Um. But I thought this was the 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: decision that had to be made, whether or not it 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: was made now or in Indianapolis. We could not come 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: out of the combine ambiguous. He couldn't come out of 38 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: there saying I don't know, he's still kind of hasn't 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: He's him and a Hall and he might play baseball, 40 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: but he still wants to keep it. No, no, no, 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: if if I'm gonna spend a first round pick on 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: a guy. I'm putting my job in the as a 43 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: general manager, and I'm putting the head coaches job on 44 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: the line for this particular player. I cannot have it 45 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: in the back of my mind that this guy's gonna 46 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: try and do both sports impossible at the quarterback position, 47 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: or I'm worried about the first sign of adversity. Uh, 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: this kid's out, you know like that that's something you 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: have to eliminate that, uh, from the thought process of 50 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: the decision makers. So I commend him. This was the 51 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: first box he had to check his commit fully to football, 52 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: and he's taking care of that. He has taken care 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: of that. I think the next thing for him is 54 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: to go in the combine and light it up. And 55 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about lighting up what he's going 56 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: to do on the turf now. It's about his ability 57 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: to really impress in DAWs evaluated with what he knows 58 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: from a football perspective, perspective, what he is able to 59 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: bring when it comes to leadership, his intangibles. Can he 60 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: command the room so then you can project him commanding 61 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: the team. All of those things we need to see 62 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: from Kyleera Murray. And then if he goes out there 63 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: and he runs fast, and he throws the ball really well. 64 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: I think he could potentially be the guy that we're 65 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: really really talking about when the combine is all set 66 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: and done. All right, So now we seen today uh 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: Mr Bidwell, the owner of the Arizona Cardinals, has come 68 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: out and we're gonna try and build around the foundation 69 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: we have in place. When Pete went asked about whether 70 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: or not they would take uh Kyler Murray with the 71 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: first overall selection, the guy that his head coach has 72 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: gone on record when he was in college and said 73 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: he would take him with the first pick in the 74 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: draft if he were an NFL team. And now we 75 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: have look Eric Burkhard hires Eric Burkhard as the agent 76 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: who's Cliff Kingsbury's agent. There's a lot of dots and 77 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: a lot of breadcrumbs kind of pointing to this thing 78 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: not being done there with the number one overall pick. 79 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: So Buck, I will put it to you this way. 80 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: You we graduate we watched Josh Rosen through the process. 81 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: We saw him last year on a let's let's call 82 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: it what it is, terrible football team. You know what 83 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: you know about Josh Rosen. We are in the process 84 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: of getting to know Kyler Murray, is it worth I 85 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: think the name, you know, the name that's being left 86 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: out of this discussion I think has to be mentioned 87 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: is Nick Bosa. Because you're not only swapping out Josh 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: rosen Um for Kyler Murray, you're gonna cost yourself the 89 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to draft well. I believe it's the best player 90 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: in the draft of Nick Bosa. So if you'd make that, 91 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: if there's a trade to be made, which I would 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: imagine Josh rose would have to be traded, if something, 93 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: if they were to make this decision. I mean, I 94 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: guess you could look at Josh rosen with Jacksonville at seven. 95 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: I guess the Giants maybe it's six. Um would be 96 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: a place you could go. Um to me, I don't 97 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: know who are gonna get six or seven. You're gonna 98 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: get really good football player. You're gonna get Nick bos 99 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: at six or seven. So that's the name I think 100 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: sometimes gets lost in the discussion. Obviously, the quarterback is 101 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: the most important thing. If you feel like this kid's 102 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: a thousand times better than what you have, I think 103 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: you owe it to your organization to make that decision. 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: But there is the fact that you're gonna lose the 105 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: best pass rusher in the draft. Yeah, you are going 106 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: to lose the best pass rushing in the draft. But 107 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: I think, man, they can make a couple of different moves. 108 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: I think you can make the move maybe with Josh 109 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: Rosen independent of what you want to do at number one, 110 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: and maybe still keep the number one overall pick. So 111 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: say you move off from Josh Rosen, and say you 112 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: move off from the number one spot, and you're a 113 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: able to kind of make a deal where you're able 114 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: to get a pig below that. I don't know if 115 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a rush to get Cala Murray at 116 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: number one, and so I think maybe they can consider 117 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: it and configure it. But when you really look at 118 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: their team and um, this has been a thing like 119 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: Nick Bolson may very well be the best player in 120 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: the draft. However, this is a team that has two 121 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: pass rushers, one solidified and Chandler Jones. And then Marcus 122 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Golden is a guy that is a free agent. So 123 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: they have to make a decision. Marcus, Marcus, I know, 124 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: but when you're talking about the money, would you rather 125 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 1: be committed to paying a pass rusher at the money 126 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: that you could get a quarterback, or would you rather 127 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: re sign Marcus Golden, have channel of drones take Cala 128 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: Muri and feel like maybe your team is trending in 129 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: the right direction. But I think the thing that's interesting, 130 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Bill Will could have closed the door on this. If 131 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: he has said we're committed to building our team around 132 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, he kind of gave us the foundation. It 133 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: was not it was this, Josh Rosen is going nowhere. 134 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen is a cardinal. He's gonna be a cardinal 135 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: for life. This is our guy. We're building around him. 136 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Kingsbury and crew, they're doing everything to get him ready 137 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: to go bang, but they didn't do that. Dad leads 138 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: me to leave that there's a little little smoke and 139 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: were just smoke. There's fire and maybe just maybe, as 140 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: you talk about the bread crumbs, maybe they take you 141 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: back to the bird's nest and maybe Kyler Murray is 142 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: sitting in there in red all right, buck Another team 143 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about in this In this discussion, 144 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: we've been talking about the Oakland Raiders and whether or 145 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: not they would stay committed to Derek car whether they 146 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: would move off Derek Car. There's a there's some interesting 147 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: poker to be played here. Okay, So so follow me 148 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: through this and tell me if I'm crazy. If let's 149 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: take two different scenarios. Okay, let's say you like Derek 150 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: car you want to move forward with Derek Carr. Wouldn't 151 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: it be smart if you're gruten or mayok to kind 152 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: of let some bread crumbs trickle out there that you 153 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: know what, we really like Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray could 154 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: be our guy. Um that that's something we're very interested 155 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: in because what happens if that kind of leaks out 156 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: but not formally, but just kind of back channel that 157 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: information somebody that likes Kyler Murray. Say it's the you know, 158 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: say it's a Giant's or the Jags, whoever. Um, you know, 159 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's a Dolphins. We've seen teams launch up from 160 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: outside the top ten. If teams feel like they need 161 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: to get ahead of Oakland to get Kyler Murray, what 162 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: does that do for Oakland? It pushes down a better 163 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: football player into your lap. So that's the one scenario. 164 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: We we don't want Kyler Murray, but we want to 165 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: get it out there that we do. Yeah, there's scenario 166 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: if you do what on the other hand, what if 167 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: you do want Kyler Murray and you feel like hey 168 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: to to compete with Pat Mahomes in this division. We 169 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: gotta see Pat Mahomes twice, Philip Rivers twice. We don't 170 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: feel like Derek Carr gives us enough umph to get 171 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: over the hump there, then you better, you better get 172 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: it out there that you in love with You are 173 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: in love with Derek Carr, and we are not worried 174 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: about you got it. It's a poker game, big time 175 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: poker game. It is a poker game. And we started 176 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: to hear, uh, people kind of leak out, Well, you know, 177 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: coach Gruten really likes Kyler Murray. You know he's kind 178 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of fascinated by that. I don't necessarily see that, Like 179 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: just in looking at his history, UM, Gruten has never 180 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: really played with that kind of quarterback. The closest thing 181 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: that I could say he's played um in terms of 182 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: quarterback would be maybe Jeff Garcia, who was a little mobile, 183 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: could run around and make plays, and he had him 184 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: in Tampa for a little bit. But that's not really 185 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: his his style quarterback, and typically he likes older players, 186 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: not younger players, but I do believe the Raiders will 187 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: try and mask that and try and get some interest 188 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: in that pick so they can't get another player to 189 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: kind of fall to them. And this is really a 190 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: defensive heavy draft, and the Raiders need to really upgrade 191 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: their defense before they even think about adding offensive playmakers 192 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: and helping their car. They have to fix the defense. 193 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: I do believe they can use to Kyla Murray intrigue 194 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: to kind of create some interest where another player falls 195 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: and then kind of control the board. Yeah, it's it's 196 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: very interesting to see what happens here with Kyler Murray 197 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: in this draft. Now, Buck, I had a chance to 198 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: visit our good buddy, Chris Rose. Chris Rose. Everybody knows 199 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Chris from you know, first of all battle Bots. Let's 200 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: start first and foremost outstand the host of battle Bots 201 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: um but he's on MLB Network with intentional talk there 202 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: with Kevin mla Are. Also does a great job of 203 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: all of his NFL network duties. You see him hosting 204 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: NFL prime time show over the last few years. He's 205 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: he's really one of the best guys in the business 206 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: and he's a good friend of the show. But he's 207 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: also a Cleveland Browns fan and knows the baseball worlds 208 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: as well as anyone because of his his connection into 209 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: that community. So here's my conversation I had with Chris 210 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray as well as a very relevant Cleveland 211 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Brown's topic. Well, Chris, it's it's kind of been the 212 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: news story everybody's been following in the NFL. We've been 213 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: waiting for it. I think we all thought it would 214 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: come down at the combine with this decision with Kyler Murray. 215 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: Would he continue on both tracks? Would he choose baseball? 216 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: Would he choose football? We now know obviously he's going 217 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: the football route. Just ask for your thoughts. It's not 218 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: surprising at all. I mean not one bit. Actually, when 219 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: the A's agreed to let him go back to Norman, 220 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: they knew that there was a risk. I don't think 221 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: anybody knew how good a player he was. But by 222 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: October we all went, yeah, this isn't this is looking 223 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: good for baseball. And here's the deal. Really, for baseball 224 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: continues to lose good athletes left and right if they 225 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: want to continue to hang on or or try to 226 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: have any shot of hanging onto the Kyler Murray's of 227 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: the world. They have to change the system that's in place. 228 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: This really was an easy decision, I would imagine financially 229 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray um the A's. When when when you're 230 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: talking about a baseball draft, you're basically slotted. You don't 231 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: get what's called a major league contract. So the A's, 232 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: even if they wanted to back up the bank vault, 233 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: aren't permitted to do that. Now if they change the 234 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: rules and are allowed to put Kyler Murraam what's called 235 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: a forty man roster, that doesn't mean the big league roster, 236 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: but it means that they kind of treat him financially 237 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: like he's a big leaguer if they want to. If 238 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: they had said, we will give you twenty five million 239 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: guaranteed dollars, you don't think that he would have had 240 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: to think long and hard about that. DJ, no question, Well, 241 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: that is what I want to get to because I 242 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: don't think the football fans understand the rules with baseball 243 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: in terms of the link there my my thing. Looking 244 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: from the outside, I follow it kind of on the 245 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: friends you're in there in the nitty gritty. I know 246 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: they recently changed the international rules in terms of international signings. 247 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: But if you were a kid that they found in 248 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: Latin America, I mean they were scratching ten eleven million 249 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: dollar checks for these guys to come be a part 250 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball because they wanted to get the 251 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: best guys possible. But yet they treat guys in the 252 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: baseball draft. You're slotted, you're limited. And then what I 253 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: don't think the folks know is the clock from when 254 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: you are drafted to when you can actually cash in. 255 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: Like we're waiting for for Bryce Harper and Manny Machado 256 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: to cash in. These guys in the NFL. That's after 257 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: three or four or five years. How long have those 258 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: guys had to wait before they can finally cash in. Well, 259 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: you know you're you're talking about the upper echelont there, 260 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: But let's take it at I mean, just the timeline, 261 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: just the timeline. I know you have arbitration and all that. Yeah, 262 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: I mean, here's the deal. Let's say you're drafted out 263 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: of high school at age eighteen, and let's say you 264 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: make it to the big leagues at a relatively early 265 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: age in baseball, that would be twenty one or twenty two, 266 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: So you spent three or four years in the minors, 267 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: taking ten hour bus rides through the state of Florida. 268 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: You're making nothing. Now, even if your first round pick 269 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: and you've signed, like Kyler Murray would have kept the 270 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: four point six six million dollars signing bonus, he's not 271 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: getting paid anything on top of that. So by the 272 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: time he gets to the big leagues, let's say if 273 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: he would have gotten there at twenty four, let's just 274 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: pick a number, then he starts making in the five 275 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollar range. That's the minimum, that's the league minimum. 276 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: And then the first three years of your baseball existence 277 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: as a major league they can do what's called renew 278 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: year contract. Even though you know you're talking about football 279 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: fans here, hopefully most of them know who Mike Trout 280 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: is and he's the best player in baseball. He won 281 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: m v P one year, I think in his second 282 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: in his really his first full year. The next year 283 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: they gave him a ten thousand dollar raise. That's it. 284 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: It's all because that's the power that the Angels had 285 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: on him at depth. That's all they had to do. 286 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: So you're until you hit what's called arbitration, which is basically, 287 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: after three years of major league service, time, it doesn't 288 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: combine major league and minor league time, just major league time. 289 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Then you can start making a significant amount of money. 290 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, for Kyler Murray, he looked at that in 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: the financial equation. He said, I have a chance to 292 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: be one of thirty two starting quarterbacks, plus endorsements and 293 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. I mean, it probably was 294 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: a relatively easy decision for him. Well, I've got bad 295 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: news for you, buddy. Um you're headed for a You're 296 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: headed for a labor issue with Major League Baseball because 297 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: they have got to fix that that they can't get 298 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: it possible. I mean, surely that's going to be something 299 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: that's addressed in their next negotiation. But it's just the 300 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: clock is too much time, there's too you can you 301 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: can provide too much value to your team for too 302 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: long a period of time without getting comment. And I 303 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: know the back end in baseball. We've seen the contracts, 304 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to see a couple more. We're talking 305 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: about two hund fifty million dollars. I mean, it is 306 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: a massive payout, but that the number of guys is 307 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: so few that actually realized that number, so that it'll 308 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens in your sport going 309 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: forward there, Yeah, absolutely, but I mean let's let's not 310 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: shed a tear for the guys that end up being 311 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: arbitration eligible and go down there. What Ernado just get? 312 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: What Ernado just get? Nolan Erronado, who is one of 313 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the best players in baseball, All Star third basement for 314 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: the Colorado Rockies in his last year before free agency. 315 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: He just signed a one year, twenty six million dollar deal, 316 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: which I think came on top of nineteen a year ago. 317 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: So you're talking about earning forty five mill over the 318 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: last two years. There aren't a lot of Uh, that's 319 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: probably Nolan Ernado calling right now. Sounds like a rotary phone. 320 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Is that a rotary phone? There? Hey, somebody's got to 321 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: have a landline and I'm sticking to it. So there 322 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: you got help that. I like that? Um Hey, the 323 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: uh the interesting thing going forward now as we kind 324 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: of move off of Cayla Murio, I want to get 325 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: over to another subject with you while we've got you, um, 326 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: your team team you follow forever in the NFL. Uh, 327 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: you're passionate about Cleveland Brown's go out and they signed 328 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. So a couple of different thoughts on that. 329 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: First of all, Um, you know the character thing. John 330 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: Dorsey took some risks there, as everybody knows in Kansas 331 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: City with Tyreek Hill. Um, we've seen it now in 332 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. We saw it last year in the draft 333 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: with Callaway. Now we see it with the addition here 334 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: of Kareem Hunt. First of all, are you are you 335 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: comfortable with that? And in this particular situation that the 336 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: thing that stands out to a lot of people I've 337 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: heard this a bunch is you know, Kareem Hunt had 338 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: his issues in Cleveland. So not only are you bringing 339 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: in somebody that's had issues, you're bringing him into the town, 340 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: his hometown where he's had some influences there that obviously 341 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: that hasn't done so well. It's a lot to unpack here, 342 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: dj Um As a fan, as a father, I mean, 343 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: we actually discussed it. So I've got two boys that 344 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: are eighteen and thirteen and are huge Cleveland fans, and 345 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: so we discussed it. And my thirteen year old, who 346 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: was actually home with the flu yesterday when we signed 347 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: and he comes in, he goes, dude, we just signed 348 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. And I said, yeah, how are you feeling 349 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: about that he goes, I don't think I can root 350 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: for him. I get it, they get it now, So 351 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: how do we and really, in sports the only area 352 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: where we have to make this decision, if we find 353 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: out that a rock star did something like this, if 354 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: we find out that a movie star did something like this, 355 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: we don't have to go see their movie, we don't 356 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: have to buy their concert tickets, we don't have to 357 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: listen to their music. But when I'm forty eight years old, 358 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: the Browns have been such a significant part of my life, 359 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: do I now just turn them off because they made 360 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: in what my opinion, is a weak decision, Like, how 361 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: do I deal with that? And I don't necessarily have 362 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: the right answer. I really don't like I'm gonna I'm 363 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: not gonna stop being a Browns fan, just like I 364 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: don't think Chicago fans should have been forced to stop 365 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: being Cubs fans when they traded for a roll as 366 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: Chapman after he had a domestic violence issue, Like fans 367 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the position of saying I'm picking my 368 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: team or morality. I don't. I don't think those are 369 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: mutually exclusive things here, DJ I can be disappointed with 370 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: what my team did and still love my team. And 371 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of where I am today. Now. It's it's look, 372 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: you can you can go through and look at movies 373 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: that we still will come on TV, that we will 374 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: enjoy starring, you know, actors that have We've learned things 375 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: about it, right, you know, it's awful, awful things. But 376 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: I do think you know a lot of people kind 377 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: of separate, separate the two and it can still find 378 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: enjoyment while not necessarily agreeing with with um, you know, 379 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: the decisions that particularly. That's I mean, DJ really gets 380 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: to a bigger picture when I when we always talk 381 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: about sports, and we've been around athletes long enough that 382 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: to where our kids say, hey, Dad, is that person nice? 383 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: And what I usually say is, well, they've been nice 384 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: to me over the years. I have a good relationship 385 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: with them, but I don't really know them. Now. There's 386 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: some some guys in both sports I know much better. 387 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: You know, I have a relationship text with them, I'll call, 388 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: will go out to dinner, whatever, and those people I 389 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: can vouch for. But I always say, appreciate what athletes 390 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: do on the field, just like what movie stars do 391 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: on the screen. But don't expect them to be it's 392 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: not endorse me. It's not you're not endorsing them as humans. 393 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: And like I said, we shouldn't have to make a 394 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: choice if a guy puts on your favorite team's uniform 395 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: with something. I mean, I even't met one person who's like, yep, 396 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm for domestic violence. Yeah, I love people who assault 397 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: and kick women at a hotel. I haven't met that 398 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: person yet. But I also I don't think that they 399 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: should have to give up their fandom when a team 400 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: puts them in a tough position. One thing that I 401 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: would just look at from a personnel standpoint, trying to 402 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: put myself inside that situation. You know that the question 403 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: is coming when you make this decision, when you decide 404 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: to give Kareem Hunt a second chance, and maybe you 405 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: know they have knowledge of him as a person, haven't 406 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: been around him and drafted him there in Kansas City, 407 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: and maybe they do feel like even though they are 408 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: evidence of other incidents, it's not just a one time thing, 409 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: but they they have a firm belief in the human being. Okay, 410 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: that's one thing, but you know when you sign him, 411 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: one of the first questions you're gonna get have you 412 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: been thorough in your investigation? And if you're gonna say yes, 413 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: you cannot then answer the next question about whether you've 414 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: tried to reach out or speak to the victim and 415 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: answer no, you can't do that. You have to. It's either, hey, 416 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: you know what we've we we just have ultimate faith 417 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: in him. Have you done a thorough investigation? Have you 418 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: been thorough in your background? You know what? And you 419 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: stand on that ground say we know him, we're sticking 420 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: with him. You can't say you've been thorough and not 421 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: having tried to reach out to the victim. That doesn't 422 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't work, doesn't add up. And the other thing 423 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: you can't do is when you have mini camps and 424 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: cream hunts available to the media and all that sort 425 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: of stuff, you can't say, hey, guys, guys, guys, don't 426 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: ask that, don't ask him about that, or no, if 427 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna bring this in, then you have to deal 428 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: with the whole thing, okay. And I just don't get 429 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: it on so many level. It was like I was 430 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: going through they don't need him, they don't need him. 431 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: That's the other thing that right, I don't even want 432 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: to talk about that part. I don't even want to talk. 433 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: It's a great player. I get it. He's a great player. 434 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb is a better football player and a better 435 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: human being from what we know at this point, right, 436 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: I mean, by all accounts, Nick Chubb is this quiet, humble, 437 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: hard working kid who busts his ass every day, who's 438 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: got more who's got more bursts and got more juice 439 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: than just on so many levels, just the football side 440 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But then then the rest of this, 441 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: I don't get it. They've done so many good things, 442 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: and Dorsey has built up so much good will over 443 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the year plus that he's been there. This is one 444 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: where it could it could come back and bite him. Yeah, 445 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see what ends up happening there as 446 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: we as we go towards the combine rose last thing 447 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: from you, Uh, you always get a chance to see 448 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: these guys. I know you're you're busy during the fall 449 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: doing all all you've got going on, but you always 450 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: get a couple of college players you kind of it's 451 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: it's fun. This is the best part of the year 452 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, because we get to see these guys. 453 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: Kind of it's a graduation, right, they transition from a 454 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: college game of the NFL game, and now you get 455 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: to see him with all the best players lined up 456 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: on that field in Indianapolis. I can't wait for that. 457 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: Is there is there one or two guys you're looking forward? 458 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: I know you're always doing You're scouting, You're on official scouting. 459 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: Get to Cleveland Browns. Well you you owe me a 460 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: scouting phone call coming up in the next couple of weeks, 461 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: because I just year. I always have my yearly chat. 462 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: Although I haven't been to the Combine in a couple 463 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: of years, I always call you, and I called Charles 464 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: Davis to just go over and Charles will tell you 465 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: who the kid played high school football with and what 466 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: role he played in the spring play, and who his 467 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: uncle was and why why and you know how he 468 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: won a bowling tournament and bolded to nineties seven one 469 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: year and left the seven ten and the eight pins up. Um, listen. 470 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: I love it that that Kyler Murray is going full 471 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: board quarterback because now my team doesn't need that. So 472 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: that pushes another good defensive player down to the Browns. 473 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: And I think they lacked some athleticism at the linebacker position. 474 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any way the kid from 475 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: L s U gets there or not. I don't think so, 476 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: but I wanted to look. I was just doing some 477 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: work on teams and I'm just gonna find this here 478 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: real quick, because when I looked this up about the Browns, 479 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: it just kind of caught me off guard a little bit, 480 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: um because of kind of what the narrative was. Um. 481 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: And I think obviously the personality of Greg Williams had 482 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. Um. But I didn't 483 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: even how did I not realize that in two thousand 484 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: and eighteen, Uh, they were, oh y here it is 485 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: dropped in production by the defense. Fourteenth in total defense 486 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen. They were thirty in total defense 487 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen. Like they were much worse defensively 488 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: this year. And I know they won more games, and 489 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's just kind of the association. We 490 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: know Myles Garrett played well. Uh. We we know Ogan 491 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: Joe we played well. We know they've got good players 492 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: on defense, Denzel Ward had a great rookie year. We 493 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: know they won more games. So I think we all 494 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: just kind of naturally they must have been They were 495 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: much better on they were worse. They were worse on defense, 496 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: They were worse. They need some help on that side 497 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: for the first time in decades. It's not the offense 498 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: that I'm concerned about. I mean, I actually thought Pepper's 499 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: played much better Like the last six games. I think 500 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: they finally figured out how to utilize him. I'm excited 501 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: to see how Steve Wilkes uh ends up, you know, 502 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: putting him in the lineup. They need somebody. You know, 503 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: Agba has not gotten it done opposite Myles Garrett. They 504 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: need somebody next to Ogan Jovi. And I know this. 505 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: This draft is deep when it comes to defensive tackles, 506 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: which is great. They need to get better at the 507 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: linebacking position. I would be shocked if Jamie Collins was 508 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: around for another year. Um, you know, Denzel Award played 509 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: really well. They could probably use another corner. So they're 510 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: they're gonna go heavy defense here, my man here. But 511 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: here's here's my question. Um defense on paper, yes, absolutely, 512 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: But do you think that there's at least a little 513 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: little voice in John Dorsey's head saying we need a 514 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: left tackle. Yeah, my quarterback, and we need a left 515 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: tackle totally, And then it's going I'm just saying that 516 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: that is going to be a little bit of a 517 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: tug and pull there, because you can say, we're this 518 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: close to having an elite offense. Now we've got a 519 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of holes we need to plug on defense. But man, 520 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: if we can get the offense up to that level, 521 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: maybe it can kind of carry it, carry the tide 522 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: and bring those boats up a little bit. On the 523 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: defensive side, well, as you well know, left tackles don't 524 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: move a ton in free agency, and when they do, 525 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: they get fearly overpaid. So yeah, I mean, yeah, right, 526 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: I'm happy you said it. Not me. If there's a 527 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: guy at seventeen that's available for them, then you know, 528 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: if it's a waiting for your defense, you might be 529 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: waiting for your time. They still have the third most 530 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: cap space, so they could fill it. You know, there 531 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: aren't for example, there aren't a ton of wide receivers 532 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: that you want on the free agent market. You know, 533 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: those guys have been offensive linemen of the free agent 534 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: market is not good to me. I think you're it's 535 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: it's obviously incredibly deep in the draft on the defensive front. 536 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: I think the free agency, from what I've talking to teams, 537 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: they feel pretty good about what's out there. I would 538 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: not be surprised that the Browns plug some of those 539 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: defensive holes. Um to at least give them an opportunity 540 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: if they if the left tackle is here, to go 541 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: ahead and take him. I'm with you. I mean, listen 542 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: that you can fill holes all over the way, all 543 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: over the you know, all over the place, whether it's 544 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: in mid March through free agency or late April in 545 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 1: the draft. But I can. For the first time in years, 546 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't have to find a quarterback. I feel good 547 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: about running back. I feel like a football fan again. Yeah, 548 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: you've got a football team there, a football team. I 549 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: think a lot of folks are gonna pick to win 550 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: that division next year. So hey, dude, we no, no, 551 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: come on expectations. Embrace them, don't run from them. Embrace him. 552 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: This is a new era of Cleveland Brown's football. Do 553 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: that all right? Let's uh, I'll let you run. Man. 554 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: Send me a text when you find out that if 555 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: we've signed Harper Machado, would you do that for me? Please? 556 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: For the Padres. Absolutely absolutely, So we're talking about nineteen 557 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: and not nine right when they're old. That hurts, Wow, 558 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: that hurts. That hurts when Fernando Tattoos wins a triple 559 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: crown two years from now, just just wait for that 560 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: phone call. It's coming. I can't wait on the seventies 561 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: seven win team. I'm all for it. Let's go such 562 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: a all right, all right, here, you're fired. Thanks for 563 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: as I appreciate you. But all right, buck Well, well 564 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: there you heard it there with with Roser and um, 565 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: some interesting things. I think we've kind of handled all 566 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray discussion, but I do want to get 567 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: your opinion on the back end of that. Uh, really 568 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: kind of deep. They're talking about the Cleveland brown situation 569 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: there with Kareem Hunt. Um, he doesn't really understand why 570 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: they did it. He's not gonna affect his fandom in 571 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: any way with the Cleveland Browns. It's it's it's kind 572 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: of like you compartmentalize some of this stuff. But your 573 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: thoughts there on the signing by John Dorsey, Well, I mean, 574 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: I think this is a classic case of what John 575 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: Dorsey has always done. John Dorsey has always value talent 576 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: over character, and so I'm not necessarily surprised to see 577 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: the Browns make a move um for Kareem Hunt, especially 578 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: because he drafted him, and so he will believe that 579 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: he knows everything about the kid. He will be able 580 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: to kind of wave off the incident as maybe a 581 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: one time mistake, and then he's willing to kind of 582 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: put his neck out there. Now. They're saying the right 583 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: things in terms of like, hey, there's nothing promised, no 584 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: guarantees and the like. But from a football standpoint, what 585 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to do is they're trying to put the 586 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: best product on the field talent wise, and he obviously 587 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: is comfortable dealing with the pushback. They dealt with it 588 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: a season ago. They dealt with it with Antonio Callaway, 589 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: and in their minds they're like, look, this is a storm. 590 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: It would get heavy play for like a week or two, 591 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: but at some point it'll blow away and we'll have 592 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: one of the more talented backs in the National Football 593 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: League to pair with Nick Chubb and to be able 594 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: to do some things that we want to do with 595 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think this is a calculated move. They 596 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: did it early enough in the process where they believe 597 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: they can kind of weather, uh the arrows that will 598 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: be slung at them for taking on the guy that 599 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: was committed that was in an in an engregious act 600 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: as such, And I just think that they are looking 601 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: at the bottom line, and the bottom line for them 602 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: is collecting enough talented players to give them an opportunity 603 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: to win the NFC North. It's been t oe talent 604 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: over everything. That is what it is, right, that's that's 605 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: what they're doing. And you and I have had this 606 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: discussion when it comes to character, and I'm not even 607 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: talking about the character in terms of the violence against 608 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: women and Kareem hunting what he was uh involved in. 609 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: We're just talking about character in general, and how there's 610 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: some that believe, a man, if you get enough talent, 611 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the talent will overcome everything, 612 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: like you talked about. But then there are some of 613 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: us that believe, now, you've gotta make sure you have 614 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: the right guys on your team, because when adversity strikes 615 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: and you have a team full of good guys, they're 616 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: gonna pour together more more so than splinter apart. And 617 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: so with the Cleveland Browns, they're dangerously towing that line 618 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: between accumulating enough good guys and having the kind of 619 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: character risk that can really make the place explode when 620 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 1: it goes wrong. We'll see, we'll see if Freddie kitchens 621 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: and we'll see if John Dorsey and their staff can 622 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: kind of keep everything together. But right now there's certainly 623 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: is certainly a move that has some risks, but a 624 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: high level of reward to the last thing on this topic, 625 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: and we'll move on. But Um, when I was talking 626 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to Rose, to me, the biggest the biggest issue I have, 627 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: it's not that guys get second chances in life. Look, 628 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm a forgiving human being. I think everybody deserves a 629 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: second chance when you've you know, proven, um, you've corrected 630 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: your behavior and you've been remorseful. Now there's a time 631 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: issue there. How much time needs to elapse before you're 632 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: given that opportunity. We can we can definitely have that debate. 633 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: My my biggest issue with this signing was you can't 634 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: come out and say you've done due diligence, Buck, and 635 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: then when the follow up question, have you tried to 636 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: reach out to the victim and say no, you can't. 637 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways. You either did your 638 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: due diligence or you didn't. So that's what I don't 639 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: understand from a team standpoint. You know that question is coming. 640 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: How do you not make that attempt just a just 641 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: a bad just a bad PR move when you when 642 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: you ay those things, like in all honesty, DJ, we 643 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: we were probably respected more of you say, Look, we 644 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: think he's a really talented player. We had him to 645 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: the roster. Yes, we understand the incidents and all the 646 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: things that are coming with it, but we're in the 647 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: business of winning games. We think he brings us one 648 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: step closer to winning a ton of games, and we're 649 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: willing to deal with all the criticism and fallout. Like 650 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: when someone says that you know exactly where they're staying, 651 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: but you can't the truth, which is the truth right, 652 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: and you can't try and play at both layers like no, 653 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, we want to do this, We want to 654 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: know Like we're in the business of winning games. It's 655 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: a bottom line business. Our job is not necessarily to 656 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: rehap and reform players. We're trying to put the best 657 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: fifty three on the roster for the Cleveland Brown so 658 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: we can win the a f C North and get 659 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: into the postseason. That is what it is and that 660 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: is the reality of it. So all the PR spend 661 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff doesn't need to occur. If 662 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: you just want to have a transparent discussion about why 663 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: you signed him. You sign him because he's a Pro 664 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: Bowl player. He's a guy that was playing at an 665 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: m v P level at times throughout his career. We 666 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: add him to the mixed with Nick Chubb, we feel 667 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: like we have a dynamic backfield and that is going 668 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: to give us the best chance to win and elevate 669 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: our quarterback. And look, that's that's the facts of the matter. 670 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, even get right down to it, and you 671 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: can say whatever you want to say. I just don't 672 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: get the whole We did our due diligence. He's just 673 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: just just believe the kid. We believe I drafted him. 674 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: I've known it. I've known him for four years, three years, whatever. Um, 675 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: He's made mistakes, absolutely, but we believe in him. And 676 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: then when the due diligence question comes, you say, we 677 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: believe in him, period. Stay on stay on brand, stay 678 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: on task, stay on topic. We believe in the kid. 679 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm willing to gamble on my own because let's be honest. 680 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: In Kansas City, Tyreek Hill was involved in a similar incident, 681 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: wasn't on camera, and Tyreek Hill is a member of 682 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: the Kanna City Chiefs because he can put the ball 683 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: into paint, he can score touchdowns and do all of 684 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: those things. And people rarely discuss Tyreek Hill. And so 685 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice saying that the player's production and 686 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: performance is going to make his past irrelevant. And so 687 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: I would just rather you say that, Look, he's a 688 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: talented player. We think he's gonna produce and he's gonna 689 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: make us better win the business and winning games. Period. 690 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: It's it's really a similar thing. Because you had Tyreek Hill, 691 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: that situation happened before he was there. They elected to 692 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: bring him into their organization. The exact same thing here 693 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and with the Cleveland Browns. Even though John 694 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Dorsey might have been in Kansas City, this incident happened 695 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: before he was a member of the Cleveland Browns, and 696 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: they decided to bring him in the organization. It's a 697 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: it's the exact same thing. Yeah, And because because for 698 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: Dorsey it has worked out, he is more likely to 699 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: go back in because his last memory of taking a 700 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: risk on a character player maybe Tyreek Hill. And he said, look, 701 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Antonio Callaway last year, it's worked out for me. So 702 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to keep kind of let's get into 703 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: some let's get him some position player for this combine here, 704 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: we've got the draft coming up, We've got scouting combine 705 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: coming up on NFL Network. I want to talk about 706 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: some running backs here first Buck, And first of all, 707 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: as we kind of get and I'm gonna kind of 708 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: go over the guys I have in my top five 709 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: at the position. I know you've got your list as well. 710 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: We'll kind of just roll through these guys and give 711 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: folks at home kind of what to look for here 712 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: with these players as we get to the combine. But 713 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 1: one of the things I did, I went back and 714 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: looked and um, with the help of my buddy Jack 715 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: there and research and we looked over the last ten 716 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: or over last season, top ten and rushing yards right 717 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: broke this down, Um, I want and got you got 718 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: the combined data for those guys. Now, some of them 719 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: did not participate in some combine numbers, so I don't 720 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: have them across the board. But for the for the 721 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: most part, forty wise we have all but to Gurley 722 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: who did not who did not run there. Remember he 723 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: was a little bit nicked up coming out. But the 724 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: average this is so if you take those top ten 725 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: in terms of rushing yards and then you average height, 726 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: weight speed, I want to kind of put in your 727 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: mind of Okay, this is what it looks like to 728 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: be one of the ten top rushers in the NFL. 729 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Average height five eleven and seven eights, just under six 730 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: foot two and twenty pounds, so good size there with 731 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: an average forty four four seven. So that's the standard 732 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: right there if you're looking at it, and I know 733 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: with teams in the past, we would look at what 734 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: was the starter standards, So what was the average UH 735 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: numbers testing numbers, heightweight speed for the thirty two starters 736 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: at the running back position. Personally, I'll get with your 737 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: thoughts on this. Personally, I'm not trying to get an 738 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: average starter, trying to draft a top ten type player 739 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: at the position. So that's the standard I would set. 740 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: Those the benchmarks are trying to hit. Those are absolutely 741 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: the benchmarks that we're trying to hit. And I think 742 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: it's interesting that these numbers come back as such five 743 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: eleven two twenty. To me, that is what we call 744 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: a quote unquote big back. And as the league is trending, 745 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: we not only are getting big backs that can bang 746 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: it up inside and run and have the ability to 747 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: take it a distance, but they can catch the ball 748 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: out the backfield and so combine, we don't have a 749 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: metric for how will they catch and how will they 750 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: perform when they're doing those drills, assessing their route running 751 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: ability and the ability to make plays in space catching 752 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: the ball. But I al wants someone who's big, who's physical, 753 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: who's dynamic with the ball in his hands, but is 754 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: also a factor into passing him. And when you look 755 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: at that list, the one outlier, as you can imagine, 756 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay, right, Philip Lindsay, Uh, five seven and a 757 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: quarter hundred and eighty four pounds and ran four three nine. 758 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: Now keep in mind he wasn't even vited the combine. 759 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: That's from his pro day. Uh, those are his numbers there, 760 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: So he's a d eighty four pounds. He's the only 761 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: guy in the top ten of the Russian leaders last 762 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: year that was under two hund pounds. McCaffrey just a 763 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: little bit over there at two oh two. Um, But 764 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, so there's always outliers. You can definitely 765 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: identify those outliers. For the most part, though you average 766 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: this out, Um, you've got a little bit of size 767 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: to you to be in one of those top ten rushers. Yeah, 768 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: because you gotta be able to deal with the thump. 769 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: You have to be able to run inside. You have 770 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: to be able to the biggest thing we talked about. 771 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: You talked about contact balance, I'll talk about running through 772 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: arm tackles. The most important thing I look for at 773 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: the end of runs is how do you finish. There's 774 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: some guys that always fall forward, and typically those guys 775 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: that fall forward at the into runs have a little 776 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: more meat to them, a little more girth where they 777 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: can kind of run through tackles, especially when you get 778 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: into the secondary. I think this is a very good 779 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: group of of running backs. I don't think we have 780 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: the elite guy. There's no Todd Gurley, there's no se 781 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. I'm not saying that, but I think there's 782 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: a really good group. I think there's uh, there's a 783 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: group of guys you're gonna be able to get in 784 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: the middle rounds. We can touch on some of those 785 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: guys here in a second, but I'll rip off who 786 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: I have coming into the combine and we'll see get 787 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: these official measurables as well, which helps in the process. 788 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: But coming into it, I got Josh Jacobs to the 789 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: top guy from Alabama. You know, the big knock on 790 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: him is the limited number of touches. That's the Alvin Kamara. 791 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: You can go back and you can tie that to him. Uh, 792 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: that'll help him out because of the crowded backfield they 793 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: have there. But he's explosive, he's elusive, he's outstanding. In 794 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: the past game, I put a play on I think 795 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: maybe it was on Instagram and Instagram or Twitter where 796 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: you see him, Uh, look over looking over his inside shoulder, 797 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: the ball goes over his outside shoulder. You see him 798 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: flip around catch the ball naturally. I mean that it's 799 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: plays like that. I'm in. I'm in on this kid, 800 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: you know. I think this kid is explosive. I think 801 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: we saw at the end of the year at Alabama 802 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: he was a guy that really made things happen when 803 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: he had the ball in his hands. Um, what I 804 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: like about him is he st likes me as more 805 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: of a blue collar playmaker, but he has kind of 806 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: that sizzle that you look for. I think he can 807 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: grind it out in between the tackles. He's physical, he 808 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: can get it to the edges, and you talked on 809 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: talked about his ability to catch the ball out of 810 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: the backfield is a huge factor. Ideally, we want every 811 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: down backs guys that can stay on the field for 812 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: three downs and never have to leave because they don't 813 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: have the skills to contribute as as in past protection 814 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: or as a receiver. He has those things, and he 815 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of tread. He's got plenty of 816 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: tread on the tires like that. Yeah, alright. Next on 817 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: the list number two, I have kivin Florida, Atlantic Devin Secretary, 818 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: who's I think the most shifty back. Very shifty, very quick, 819 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: very loose. If he's got outstanding vision, um, you know, 820 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: it makes us see what the top top speed is 821 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: that he possesses. Because he's not a big guy, he's 822 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those guys that's around two hundred 823 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: all over. But man, buck, he's he's just so dynamic 824 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: in those short areas. Uh, He's he's a really impressive 825 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: player to watch. You watch him against Oklahoma, who I know, 826 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's deef just not great, but that was a big 827 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: stage he played on. I thought he wrote to that occasion, 828 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: he does. He has big play ability, and that's what 829 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: everyone is looking for. Everyone is looking for the shifty guys, 830 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: guys who can make people miss. Even though I talked 831 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: about having the big physical guy, the guy there's a grounder, 832 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: a grinder in the end, the ability to make people miss, 833 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: to be able to turn those three yard games into 834 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: ten yard games. That's where the game is played. And 835 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: you even talked about his top end speed. I am 836 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: less concerned about top end speed, and I'm more concerned 837 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: on can guys dominate within that ten yard box. If 838 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: you can give me a consistent five or ten yards, 839 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: I can kind of build that running game around it. 840 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: It is really rare that you see guys take it 841 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: the distance, take it forty plush yards. I want guys 842 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: that are excellent being in that that zero to ten 843 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: zero the fifteen yard area consistently, and I think Singletary 844 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: has that ability no doubt. And we get to the 845 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: next one on the list, number three from me, David Montgomery, 846 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: And you talk about somebody that in Jacobs, who has 847 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of tread left on the tires. Now my 848 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: Gomery not so much. He has been tolding the rock 849 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: there at Iowa State. Uh, A lot, a lot of touches, 850 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: but he has got excellent patients. I think that's one 851 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: of the underrated aspects of the running back position. He's 852 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: got patience, he's got vision, and he's another one. He's 853 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: a bigger, little bigger. He's two hundred sixteen pounds. You 854 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: see him in short areas, can you make people miss? 855 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: To me? In the tight confined spaces? That to me 856 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: is what separates running backs. You don't get the space 857 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: in the room that you get in the college game. 858 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: At the NFL level, everything is condensed. So can you, 859 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: either with power be able to get yourself out of 860 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: those tight quarters? Or can you be elusive? And to me, 861 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: what what I like so much about Montgomery? He can 862 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: do both. Yeah, And I think that's important to be 863 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: able to kind of shift it. Uh. You talk about 864 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: being able to be elusive in tight quarters, I call 865 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: it being Houdini in a phone booth. And I think 866 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: he does show that at times. He's able to kind 867 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: of get in and out of tight areas, but he's 868 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: also able to kind of switch and flip the switch 869 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: and turn it on to be a physical back. At 870 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: the end of runs, and so this game is hard. 871 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: And the one thing about the volume of carries, we 872 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: can look at it negatively, like, man, he's had so 873 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: many carries, but some teams give you a positively say, 874 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: look the one thing we know about bring him in. 875 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: He can handle the heavy workload eight teen to twenty 876 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: because typically the top end backs are getting eighteen to 877 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: twenty two carries. He has shown that he can do that, 878 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, he is a good football player pass 879 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: protection wise, Like, see him get a little bit better 880 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: in that area. That's he needs to work on number 881 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: four on the list. To me, he's the steady eddie 882 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: is Damien Harris there from from Alabama, who nothing's gonna 883 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: wow you about him, but again somebody with great balance. 884 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: He runs hard. Um, he's very instinctive as well, sees 885 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: it feel real well. He's got good vision, finishes runs. 886 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: He just doesn't have quite the same pop, the same 887 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: juices as his teammate there and Jacobs. But to me, 888 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: just a steady eddie, reliable guy. You know exactly what 889 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: you're getting. To me, he's kind of in that middle, 890 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: late second round, third round type range. I think you 891 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: canna get a good football player and look, he's the 892 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,479 Speaker 1: Honda Accord of this running bad class. Meaning there's nothing 893 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 1: flashy about him, but he is gonna get from point 894 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: A to point B. He's gonna get you there safely. Uh. 895 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: You may be able to run up a hundred and 896 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: fifty two hundred thousand miles and he's going to be 897 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 1: there each and every weekend. I think there's something too 898 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: having a guy that is dependable, reliable, that can give 899 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: you that kind of production. I like his physicality, I 900 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: like his toughness. I like the fact that, look he 901 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: split time at the end with Josh Jacobs and Josh 902 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 1: Jacobs eventually became the number one back, but he still 903 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: made plays when he got his opportunity. I just believe 904 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: that he is going to be a guy that as 905 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: in part of a rotation. He's gonna be a solid 906 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: guy that you can get a lot out of. All Right, this, uh, 907 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: this fifth spot was tough for me because they have 908 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: the same grade, identical grade on a bunch of guys 909 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: end up putting Justice Hill in there from Oklahoma State. Now, 910 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: he is not a big back, he's gonna be under 911 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: two hundred pounds, But to me, he's got tremendous juice. 912 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: When you watch it, he just looks like he's playing 913 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: a little different speed than everybody else. Uh. He can 914 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: make you miss, he can run away from you. More 915 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: of a slasher to me, if you're looking for the 916 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay in this class. I know a lot of 917 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: folks like Miles Gaskin, and they've compared him. I think 918 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: it's easy because they're both packed twelve guys. To me, 919 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: I see it a little bit more with Justice Hill. 920 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: I think he's got a little more pop, little more juice. Uh, 921 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: to him and somebody that for an undersized back is 922 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: competitive as a blocker. Now, he'll cut you, but he 923 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: is very good at it. He's he's effective, he can 924 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: hold up back. There a lot of times, those smaller 925 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: guys you worry about them in that area. I came 926 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: away impressed. Look, he he has big time separation ability. 927 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: He can take it the distance. His quickness, his acceleration, 928 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: the explosions that you see in a short area and 929 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: on the run, you like those things. It'll be interesting 930 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: to see how people kind of peg him, because obviously, 931 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: when you're undersized like that, you need to be able 932 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: to give me more be it as the ability to 933 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: be a matchup option in the passing game, adding stuff 934 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: in the return game. You have to be able to 935 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: be more because you just don't know if you can 936 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: hand it to an undersized guy twenty to twenty two times. 937 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: He has to be able to make explosive plays in 938 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: a variety of ways because you want to maximize his touches, 939 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: uh and its production potential. There you go, there's the 940 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: there's a top five of the guy that's I will 941 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: put an asterisk by is David Montgomery if he didn't 942 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: have injuries at Oklahoma. Sorry, not David Montgomery. Uh, what's 943 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: his name? Roddy Anderson? Roddy Anderson from Oklahoma? Who's that 944 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: six one two pound back. Um, if he didn't have 945 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: all the injuries he's had a collection of injuries cost 946 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: him this last season. Buck, to me, he would be 947 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 1: my second guy. He would be all the way up there. 948 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: And I think you're talking about him on that borderline 949 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: late one, early second round pick type talent, but not 950 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: having all the medical information and knowing how much time 951 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: he's missed, I'm just kind of keep put him in 952 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: the holding tank. Put him in the holding tank for 953 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: the time being the other guy I'm putting note in tanking. Look, 954 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: I know some of this is going to be biased. 955 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what Bryce Love looks like when 956 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: he finally gets back to health. This was a disappointing 957 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: year for him, all the ankle issues and then having 958 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: to tourn a c L. But a year ago, this 959 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: dude lit it up in the college game. I think 960 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: the big thing for him is he's one of those 961 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: guys that we may forget about in the draft process. 962 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,479 Speaker 1: Then he reappears on the team and we look like, man, 963 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: how do we forget about Bryce Love? I just believe 964 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: with his his toughness, his size is going to be 965 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: an issue, but his speed because he is fast and 966 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: if he's really if he's rehab back to health, he's 967 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: going to be in that high four three low four 968 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: four range. He's going to have an opportunity to be 969 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: one of those guys that maybe we talk about like 970 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,479 Speaker 1: a Philip lindsay. I'm gonna give a couple more names 971 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: here and then will will roll Um. These are the 972 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: guys I have in that third fourth round range who 973 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 1: I think that is a sweet spot in this draft 974 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: of running backs because I've got a collection of about 975 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: six guys that I think very similar in terms of 976 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: their value, and that's where I have him pegged. Um, 977 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: you mentioned Bryce Love. Now you're gonna have to wait 978 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: a little while, but he's to me in that range. 979 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: You might get him a little bit of a discount, 980 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: might even get beyond the third fourth round because of 981 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: the A C. L. But I had him in this group. 982 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: But you've got right well Armstead from Temple, Darryl Henderson, 983 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: who a lot of people in the league love, from Memphis. 984 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: He could It wouldn't shock me if you went in 985 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: the second round. Um, I'm I'm I'm biased, trust me. 986 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: But Jalen Moore from app State coming off of an injury, 987 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: is a really good football player. Miles Sanders from Penn 988 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: State is another one you're gonna hear a lot about 989 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: coming out of the combine. And then Dexter Williams from 990 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I have that group all there together. And 991 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: Elijah Holyfield is the other one from Georgia who holy 992 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: Field doesn't have a lot of sizzle, but he is 993 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,439 Speaker 1: just as you can imagine, a tough, physical, pounding guy. 994 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: That's a group of about seven backs. Um, that carried 995 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: to me that third fourth round range. I thin they 996 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: can emerge the starters in the NFL, which means three 997 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: or four those guys you're gonna be able to get 998 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: in the fifth round. So it's tremendous value in those 999 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: middle rounds. So that's the thing. And when you talk 1000 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: about it, we talked about this being a really solid 1001 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: running back class, but it doesn't have a lot of 1002 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 1: star power at the top. And so when you have 1003 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: a solid class where everyone is graded together, everyone, they're 1004 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: sitting right there in the holding tank. What you're doing 1005 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: now in the draft room, you're looking at other positions 1006 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out what other positions are 1007 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: shallow in terms of they don't have the amount of 1008 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: depth where I may need to go and get one 1009 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: of those guys in the third round because I know 1010 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: I can get a good running back that's comparable in 1011 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round. And so because the running 1012 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: back class is so deep, with that middle class, I 1013 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: think you may see some of these guys drafted later 1014 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: even though they're great. Would suggest they should be Day 1015 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: two players. Yeah, there you have it. That's just a 1016 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: little sneak peek there at the running back position. We'll 1017 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: try and go through all the positions as we get 1018 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: towards the combine here on the Move the Sticks Podcast. 1019 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,919 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, that's a jam packed episode. Man, agin 1020 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: else you want to jump in on here before we 1021 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: get out? No, I think it's fascinated the running back 1022 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: discussion with outstanding. But man, this Kyla murray Um observation 1023 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: and evaluation is going to be something to watch. You 1024 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: don't have. It's a it's a it's a one off, right, 1025 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't have. There's nothing to compare it to to. There's 1026 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: nothing to compare it to. But then it comes down 1027 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: to production and performance versus prototypes, and which one do 1028 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: you lean in favor of because the guy obviously can play, 1029 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: but he does not look like what we typically see 1030 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: on Sundays. Yeah. I mean, look, you're gonna see a 1031 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: lot of people get courage and and put out there 1032 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: that they have tremendous conviction one way or the other. 1033 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: He can't play. I guarantee it it's gonna happen. He's 1034 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 1: gonna play, And you're gonna have other people who say 1035 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,439 Speaker 1: he has no chance, he cannot play in the league. 1036 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, neither one of them 1037 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: are comfortable in that opinion. Oh no, you can't be 1038 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: comfortable because how do you know, Like, how do you know? 1039 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: You won't know until you get him. And that's why 1040 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 1: the teams that take him, I just hope for his sake, 1041 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator is a guy that really knows how 1042 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: to do it, and better yet, that the head coach 1043 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: has long tenure that he has the ability to really 1044 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: do it the right way. There are a couple of 1045 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: teams that we've mentioned before, talking about the Saints, the Patriots. 1046 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: Those guys, they're not going anywhere, so they can take 1047 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: a chance on a Calu Murray and if it doesn't work, 1048 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out more Yeah, No, it's gonna 1049 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens with him, as well 1050 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,280 Speaker 1: as this entire draft class. Again, you can find the 1051 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: NFL Combine coverage live on NFL Network. Will have you 1052 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: covered wall to wall. They're not just the quarterbacks. A 1053 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good players, especially on the 1054 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. It's gonna be fun, all right, 1055 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you guys listening. 1056 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for subscribing, leaving us uh your ratings and reviews 1057 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. Let's get the word out. We've got 1058 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: you covered here. I promise you, this is gonna be 1059 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: the best location. We've got all of your draft needs covered. 1060 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna go in depth on all these players. We're 1061 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: gonna have our three sixties series. We're gonna roll that 1062 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: out again where we take a deep dive on some 1063 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: of the top players in this year's class. So uh 1064 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: be sure, tell a friend jump on board to move 1065 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: the six Trains. We've got you covered, all right. That's 1066 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. We'll catch you next time 1067 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,800 Speaker 1: right here. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel 1068 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot 1069 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: com Slash Podcasts.