1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:15,017 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,137 --> 00:00:24,217 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show. 5 00:00:24,577 --> 00:00:28,497 Speaker 2: We have Yon me Park with us now. She is 6 00:00:28,537 --> 00:00:34,617 Speaker 2: an author, a defector from the North Korean totalitarian state. 7 00:00:35,097 --> 00:00:36,417 Speaker 2: She's got a book. We're going to talk a bit 8 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:39,377 Speaker 2: about it while time remains, holding it up here so 9 00:00:39,377 --> 00:00:43,097 Speaker 2: everyone can see it and me honored to have you 10 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:45,577 Speaker 2: here on the podcast. Thanks for joining. 11 00:00:46,977 --> 00:00:49,617 Speaker 1: Oh, the honors are mine. Thanks for having me on. 12 00:00:50,297 --> 00:00:53,057 Speaker 2: So let's start with this. I want to get to 13 00:00:53,097 --> 00:00:56,657 Speaker 2: your book because you raise concerns about what's happening in 14 00:00:56,697 --> 00:01:02,697 Speaker 2: this country based on your extraordinary personal life experience growing 15 00:01:02,777 --> 00:01:07,217 Speaker 2: up in and escaping from North Korea. If you were 16 00:01:07,337 --> 00:01:10,417 Speaker 2: just for a lot of people listening, they may not know. Sorry, 17 00:01:10,417 --> 00:01:13,137 Speaker 2: they maybe have seen you on Megan Kelly Show or 18 00:01:13,177 --> 00:01:16,137 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan. So I know you've been telling people about 19 00:01:16,137 --> 00:01:19,377 Speaker 2: what happened to you. But for those who aren't familiar 20 00:01:19,377 --> 00:01:22,657 Speaker 2: with your story, just give us a sense of where 21 00:01:22,697 --> 00:01:25,297 Speaker 2: you what it was like in North Korea where you 22 00:01:25,337 --> 00:01:26,897 Speaker 2: grew up, what you dealt with, and what you had 23 00:01:26,937 --> 00:01:27,537 Speaker 2: to overcome. 24 00:01:29,777 --> 00:01:30,257 Speaker 1: Yeah. 25 00:01:30,297 --> 00:01:33,537 Speaker 3: So I was born in North Korea in nineteen ninety three. 26 00:01:34,217 --> 00:01:37,337 Speaker 3: When I was growing up there, it was the height 27 00:01:37,377 --> 00:01:38,657 Speaker 3: of the greatest famine in. 28 00:01:38,577 --> 00:01:39,537 Speaker 1: The modern history. 29 00:01:40,217 --> 00:01:44,577 Speaker 3: Therefore, millions of people died from this man made famine. 30 00:01:44,697 --> 00:01:48,057 Speaker 3: By the vision, the northern region thought that if they 31 00:01:48,177 --> 00:01:52,417 Speaker 3: starved people, then people would be so busy surviving they 32 00:01:52,457 --> 00:01:56,617 Speaker 3: would not challenge and thinking about publical freedom. So that's 33 00:01:56,657 --> 00:02:02,457 Speaker 3: why we're on purpose starts, and so my everyday struggle 34 00:02:02,617 --> 00:02:05,817 Speaker 3: being in North Korea was really surviving and finding food. 35 00:02:06,377 --> 00:02:09,217 Speaker 3: On top of that, I still remember the very first 36 00:02:09,257 --> 00:02:11,457 Speaker 3: thing that my mom told me as a younger was 37 00:02:11,497 --> 00:02:15,177 Speaker 3: that don't even whisper because the birds and mice could 38 00:02:15,257 --> 00:02:18,457 Speaker 3: hear me. If I said the one thing that was wrong, 39 00:02:18,937 --> 00:02:21,537 Speaker 3: they were not going to execute me. They were going 40 00:02:21,537 --> 00:02:25,937 Speaker 3: to execute it to eighteen versions of my family after 41 00:02:26,617 --> 00:02:27,977 Speaker 3: It's kind of dark. 42 00:02:29,257 --> 00:02:29,617 Speaker 1: Area. 43 00:02:29,857 --> 00:02:32,297 Speaker 3: I decided to escape from my homeland when I was 44 00:02:32,337 --> 00:02:33,217 Speaker 3: thirteen years old. 45 00:02:35,777 --> 00:02:37,857 Speaker 2: You just decided to escape from your home. I mean 46 00:02:38,697 --> 00:02:44,697 Speaker 2: that obviously entailed tremendous risks North Korea, as I understand it, 47 00:02:45,177 --> 00:02:47,857 Speaker 2: will they will they shoot people on site for trying 48 00:02:47,897 --> 00:02:50,057 Speaker 2: to get away. They if they see you trying to 49 00:02:50,177 --> 00:02:52,097 Speaker 2: escape the country, they'll execute people. 50 00:02:52,137 --> 00:02:52,297 Speaker 1: Right. 51 00:02:53,777 --> 00:02:58,017 Speaker 3: Of course, she took it older from the border, and 52 00:02:58,737 --> 00:03:03,137 Speaker 3: that's why we risk our life to escape. However, we 53 00:03:03,137 --> 00:03:06,417 Speaker 3: were able to find a broker that lived the guards 54 00:03:06,497 --> 00:03:11,697 Speaker 3: border guards and they have just escape the China. 55 00:03:12,177 --> 00:03:14,417 Speaker 2: And why did you decide that it was finally time 56 00:03:14,497 --> 00:03:15,057 Speaker 2: to escape? 57 00:03:17,417 --> 00:03:20,577 Speaker 3: It was really not a matter of deciding that was 58 00:03:20,577 --> 00:03:23,417 Speaker 3: a time or not. We just could not simply find 59 00:03:23,417 --> 00:03:28,177 Speaker 3: the next meal. It wasn't something that we had even 60 00:03:28,257 --> 00:03:31,937 Speaker 3: option not to escape. Being in North Korea, it's like 61 00:03:32,057 --> 00:03:35,457 Speaker 3: you know, you are in the building that's caught on fire, 62 00:03:35,977 --> 00:03:39,177 Speaker 3: and you see if you jump out from the window. 63 00:03:38,897 --> 00:03:41,417 Speaker 1: If you survive, you survive. If you don't, you die. 64 00:03:41,977 --> 00:03:44,137 Speaker 3: No matter what I if I steyed in, I was 65 00:03:44,137 --> 00:03:45,817 Speaker 3: gonna die from starvation anyway. 66 00:03:46,457 --> 00:03:49,977 Speaker 1: So it was not an even decision. We were starving. 67 00:03:50,057 --> 00:03:53,457 Speaker 3: We wanted to find food to survive, and that made 68 00:03:53,497 --> 00:03:55,137 Speaker 3: us to escape that morning. 69 00:03:56,297 --> 00:04:00,417 Speaker 2: And what was the pause of the famine being so 70 00:04:00,537 --> 00:04:02,337 Speaker 2: much worse and you said it was the worst one 71 00:04:02,377 --> 00:04:07,217 Speaker 2: in a very long time. Was there a specific decision 72 00:04:07,297 --> 00:04:11,537 Speaker 2: made by the Kim family or what happened? 73 00:04:13,297 --> 00:04:17,097 Speaker 3: So initially the shortages began when the Soviet Union collapsed. 74 00:04:17,497 --> 00:04:20,177 Speaker 3: You know, there's a saying, right, the socialism only works 75 00:04:20,217 --> 00:04:24,057 Speaker 3: when you until one now somebody else his money. Exactly 76 00:04:24,337 --> 00:04:27,897 Speaker 3: until the nineteen eighty nine Soviet Union was heavily subsized 77 00:04:27,897 --> 00:04:31,537 Speaker 3: in North Korean economy. And when they started in North Korea, 78 00:04:31,617 --> 00:04:34,337 Speaker 3: and then Kim Zoia had a choice to make. 79 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:36,097 Speaker 1: Is it going to open up. 80 00:04:35,977 --> 00:04:39,737 Speaker 3: The economy and free trading and fill the people, or 81 00:04:39,897 --> 00:04:43,457 Speaker 3: is it going to start the people. What he came 82 00:04:43,537 --> 00:04:46,297 Speaker 3: up with at the time is that it's easy to 83 00:04:46,337 --> 00:04:50,537 Speaker 3: do socialism, which means controlling people when they are less 84 00:04:50,537 --> 00:04:51,657 Speaker 3: of them. 85 00:04:51,977 --> 00:04:52,697 Speaker 1: So he dies. 86 00:04:52,897 --> 00:04:56,057 Speaker 3: It's actually better thing for the region that we are 87 00:04:56,137 --> 00:04:58,817 Speaker 3: dying from establishing because it was easier for him to 88 00:04:58,897 --> 00:05:02,257 Speaker 3: control people. We become less of us, and then people 89 00:05:02,337 --> 00:05:06,017 Speaker 3: are just so occupied looking for next meal. We are 90 00:05:06,057 --> 00:05:09,497 Speaker 3: not going to challenge the status called the region. That's 91 00:05:09,537 --> 00:05:13,497 Speaker 3: why they are purposely starting nursing people to this. 92 00:05:13,577 --> 00:05:18,297 Speaker 2: Day, do you remember a point at which when you 93 00:05:18,297 --> 00:05:22,577 Speaker 2: were growing up you realized that you were being lied 94 00:05:22,617 --> 00:05:25,977 Speaker 2: to all the time? Or I know, it's very from 95 00:05:26,017 --> 00:05:28,977 Speaker 2: an outsider's perspective, it's like, how could this place, how 96 00:05:28,977 --> 00:05:32,897 Speaker 2: could North Korea exist as it is a regime just 97 00:05:32,977 --> 00:05:38,777 Speaker 2: built upon really slavery of its own people and a 98 00:05:38,857 --> 00:05:41,817 Speaker 2: mountain of lies. Do you remember, was there a time 99 00:05:41,817 --> 00:05:44,577 Speaker 2: when you when you can just recall, you thought to yourself, 100 00:05:44,777 --> 00:05:47,457 Speaker 2: what they're telling us? All this cannot be true? Or 101 00:05:47,697 --> 00:05:51,377 Speaker 2: how did you come to understand what was really going 102 00:05:51,417 --> 00:05:53,617 Speaker 2: on around you despite all the propaganda. 103 00:05:56,017 --> 00:05:57,097 Speaker 1: I didn't understand. 104 00:05:57,417 --> 00:06:01,417 Speaker 3: I even after I escaped to China, I thought that 105 00:06:01,617 --> 00:06:03,737 Speaker 3: King Donya had a power to be in my mind, 106 00:06:04,177 --> 00:06:07,897 Speaker 3: I thought he was a god. I did not know 107 00:06:08,217 --> 00:06:12,497 Speaker 3: that what evena was, what brainwashing was. We did not 108 00:06:12,577 --> 00:06:16,137 Speaker 3: even have a vocabulary to describe what that was. In 109 00:06:16,177 --> 00:06:19,177 Speaker 3: North Korea, there's a no word for human rights, there's 110 00:06:19,257 --> 00:06:22,017 Speaker 3: no word for love. And if you don't know the 111 00:06:22,137 --> 00:06:26,137 Speaker 3: word them is, you don't understand the concept. That's how 112 00:06:26,177 --> 00:06:31,017 Speaker 3: they were controlling our thinking by controlling the language. So 113 00:06:31,137 --> 00:06:33,417 Speaker 3: when I was in North Korea, I had no idea 114 00:06:33,457 --> 00:06:35,337 Speaker 3: that I was in the oppress. I'd never seen the 115 00:06:35,417 --> 00:06:39,937 Speaker 3: map of the world, and just the only reason that 116 00:06:40,017 --> 00:06:42,777 Speaker 3: I escaped was that I was starving and I wanted 117 00:06:42,857 --> 00:06:44,337 Speaker 3: looking for about bot of Rice. 118 00:06:45,737 --> 00:06:49,577 Speaker 2: What was the school system that you were put through 119 00:06:49,657 --> 00:06:50,457 Speaker 2: in North Korea? 120 00:06:50,657 --> 00:06:57,537 Speaker 3: Like so it's a socialist education system where we have 121 00:06:57,697 --> 00:07:01,217 Speaker 3: to spend five hundred hours per dictator. 122 00:07:01,737 --> 00:07:04,257 Speaker 1: There's Kims on Air, Kimir Song, Kimi Jongan. 123 00:07:04,657 --> 00:07:06,537 Speaker 3: At the time that was just Kims on air, and 124 00:07:06,577 --> 00:07:11,257 Speaker 3: then the wives of like Kimirsong Kim Jong Su their parents. 125 00:07:11,417 --> 00:07:16,177 Speaker 3: So education is really dedicated in brainwashing. And even when 126 00:07:16,177 --> 00:07:19,817 Speaker 3: they're teaching us math, the math questions like this, there 127 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:23,257 Speaker 3: are four American bassaards, you keep two of them, then 128 00:07:23,337 --> 00:07:27,257 Speaker 3: how many American bassaards left kill? So even teaching us 129 00:07:27,337 --> 00:07:31,217 Speaker 3: the concept of addition, it had to be through brainwashing 130 00:07:31,457 --> 00:07:36,617 Speaker 3: and inductrination. So and other than the basic basic you know, 131 00:07:36,737 --> 00:07:40,177 Speaker 3: scares of reading about the propaganda and the gratness of 132 00:07:40,217 --> 00:07:45,377 Speaker 3: the leader and then reading some math film numbers, there's 133 00:07:45,537 --> 00:07:46,897 Speaker 3: not much education there. 134 00:07:48,297 --> 00:07:53,057 Speaker 2: So what happened when you finally escaped? How and how 135 00:07:53,137 --> 00:07:56,057 Speaker 2: did how did you escape? And what what happened when 136 00:07:56,097 --> 00:07:57,217 Speaker 2: you got on the other side. 137 00:07:57,057 --> 00:08:00,897 Speaker 1: Of the border. So, as I said, I had an 138 00:08:00,977 --> 00:08:01,737 Speaker 1: older sister. 139 00:08:01,937 --> 00:08:05,057 Speaker 3: She escaped China and then she let me a note saying, 140 00:08:05,377 --> 00:08:07,737 Speaker 3: God find this lady and she would help help you 141 00:08:07,817 --> 00:08:11,897 Speaker 3: to go by me in China and escape. I found 142 00:08:11,937 --> 00:08:14,057 Speaker 3: a lady when I was thirteen years old in two 143 00:08:14,097 --> 00:08:17,417 Speaker 3: thousand and seven with my mother and she said she. 144 00:08:17,297 --> 00:08:17,937 Speaker 1: Could help me. 145 00:08:18,777 --> 00:08:21,577 Speaker 3: And the reason she was helping us at the time 146 00:08:21,577 --> 00:08:26,937 Speaker 3: of no, she was selling us as a sex slaves 147 00:08:26,977 --> 00:08:29,057 Speaker 3: to Chinese Symia traffickers. 148 00:08:29,697 --> 00:08:32,897 Speaker 1: So we crossed the frozen Yellow River into. 149 00:08:32,737 --> 00:08:37,817 Speaker 3: China and then the guards were bribed by the Cymen traffickers, 150 00:08:37,817 --> 00:08:41,777 Speaker 3: so they were not shooting us. Once we got to China, 151 00:08:42,017 --> 00:08:44,617 Speaker 3: I saw my mom was being raped and then they 152 00:08:44,697 --> 00:08:50,297 Speaker 3: sold us separately as sex slaves. 153 00:08:50,377 --> 00:08:53,057 Speaker 2: And so you were you were thirteen years old when 154 00:08:53,057 --> 00:08:54,817 Speaker 2: you were sold. 155 00:08:55,257 --> 00:09:00,337 Speaker 3: Yeah, they sold my mother for sixty five dollars in 156 00:09:00,377 --> 00:09:02,817 Speaker 3: two thousand and seven and they sold me over twenty 157 00:09:02,857 --> 00:09:04,297 Speaker 3: dollars when I. 158 00:09:04,217 --> 00:09:05,177 Speaker 1: Was thirteen years old. 159 00:09:06,257 --> 00:09:10,577 Speaker 2: And so then how many years did you spend in 160 00:09:11,297 --> 00:09:13,537 Speaker 2: this human trafficking situation? 161 00:09:15,497 --> 00:09:16,217 Speaker 1: Two years? 162 00:09:16,457 --> 00:09:20,217 Speaker 3: When I was fifteen years old in China, there were 163 00:09:20,417 --> 00:09:24,657 Speaker 3: Christians from South Korea who are rescuing North Koreans go 164 00:09:24,857 --> 00:09:28,417 Speaker 3: to safety, which meant South Korea. 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So then what happens? Just keep telling me, 194 00:11:01,657 --> 00:11:04,777 Speaker 2: So you finally you have people that's able to get 195 00:11:04,817 --> 00:11:08,777 Speaker 2: you out. You said you got to Mongolia, and in 196 00:11:08,817 --> 00:11:10,817 Speaker 2: this process where they're things that you were seeing, I 197 00:11:10,817 --> 00:11:13,857 Speaker 2: mean how I'm just trying to get a sense and 198 00:11:14,297 --> 00:11:18,737 Speaker 2: for everyone who's listening of when you've experienced such extreme 199 00:11:19,337 --> 00:11:23,817 Speaker 2: tyranny and also such depravity of the you know, the 200 00:11:23,897 --> 00:11:27,737 Speaker 2: human traffickers in China. Were you even able to when 201 00:11:27,777 --> 00:11:31,577 Speaker 2: you when you finally got to Mongolia, were you it 202 00:11:31,577 --> 00:11:33,977 Speaker 2: was like a recognition of oh my god, I'm finally free? 203 00:11:34,057 --> 00:11:35,977 Speaker 2: Or was it more complicated than that? 204 00:11:38,337 --> 00:11:42,657 Speaker 3: So rescuing means it's not like somebody can walk with 205 00:11:42,817 --> 00:11:46,297 Speaker 3: us through the desert. The survivor weight of that desert 206 00:11:46,417 --> 00:11:49,217 Speaker 3: is not even one percent. We had to walk in 207 00:11:49,337 --> 00:11:52,497 Speaker 3: the minus forty degrees in the winter in two thousand nine. 208 00:11:53,297 --> 00:11:56,617 Speaker 3: So they literally just gave us a compass and said, 209 00:11:57,257 --> 00:12:00,897 Speaker 3: go walk across the north and west direction and cross 210 00:12:00,977 --> 00:12:04,137 Speaker 3: eight wire fences, and if you don't die from the 211 00:12:04,177 --> 00:12:07,857 Speaker 3: cold or the wire animals and the border guards, if 212 00:12:07,897 --> 00:12:10,937 Speaker 3: you find the Mongolia and soldiers, tell them that you 213 00:12:10,977 --> 00:12:12,977 Speaker 3: want to go to South Korea. 214 00:12:13,537 --> 00:12:14,017 Speaker 1: We did that. 215 00:12:14,257 --> 00:12:16,697 Speaker 3: Luckily we didn't die from all those things and got 216 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:17,497 Speaker 3: to Mongolia. 217 00:12:17,577 --> 00:12:19,137 Speaker 1: And then of course it's soldiers. 218 00:12:19,777 --> 00:12:22,377 Speaker 3: The first thing they were telling us was that they 219 00:12:22,377 --> 00:12:24,297 Speaker 3: want to send us back to China and go. 220 00:12:24,257 --> 00:12:25,177 Speaker 1: Back to North Korea. 221 00:12:25,657 --> 00:12:28,577 Speaker 3: They sending North Koreans back to their countries like catching 222 00:12:28,577 --> 00:12:31,137 Speaker 3: a jew and sending them to our suits. We're going 223 00:12:31,217 --> 00:12:37,657 Speaker 3: to be facing execution, torture, unimaginable things that happening against humanity, 224 00:12:38,457 --> 00:12:42,937 Speaker 3: and so we were going to kill ourselves. And basically 225 00:12:43,057 --> 00:12:45,657 Speaker 3: soldiers were playing with us. They wanted to see how 226 00:12:45,777 --> 00:12:49,897 Speaker 3: desperately we're fighting for our lives and begging for our lives. 227 00:12:50,097 --> 00:12:53,097 Speaker 1: So they were playing us like toys. 228 00:12:53,297 --> 00:12:57,337 Speaker 3: And then several months in the detention center, we were 229 00:12:57,417 --> 00:12:59,937 Speaker 3: able to go to South Korea. So when we got 230 00:12:59,937 --> 00:13:02,937 Speaker 3: to South Korea, this is not the end of the journey. 231 00:13:02,937 --> 00:13:03,257 Speaker 1: Again. 232 00:13:03,697 --> 00:13:07,977 Speaker 3: They put us in this a national security intelligence center 233 00:13:08,337 --> 00:13:12,777 Speaker 3: for several months and they interrogate us. Some people even 234 00:13:12,817 --> 00:13:16,137 Speaker 3: go through like light detectors. They make sure that we 235 00:13:16,177 --> 00:13:19,537 Speaker 3: are North Korean, like where we're born, what are our schools, 236 00:13:19,577 --> 00:13:23,337 Speaker 3: who are like everything about ourselves because they need to 237 00:13:23,417 --> 00:13:27,537 Speaker 3: make sure that those people are not spies. After that 238 00:13:27,857 --> 00:13:31,537 Speaker 3: several vigorous months of training, I mean, the interrogation is 239 00:13:31,657 --> 00:13:33,817 Speaker 3: ours creat Once we are verified that we are not 240 00:13:33,937 --> 00:13:37,497 Speaker 3: spies and we are the person who we are, then 241 00:13:37,617 --> 00:13:42,057 Speaker 3: they send us to education center for three months. In 242 00:13:42,097 --> 00:13:45,137 Speaker 3: that three months in South Korea, they teach us that 243 00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:49,137 Speaker 3: Americans are not bastards, Americans are lovely. 244 00:13:49,617 --> 00:13:51,297 Speaker 1: You know, is a democracy country. 245 00:13:51,857 --> 00:13:55,377 Speaker 3: They tell us that North Korea the region is a 246 00:13:55,457 --> 00:14:00,097 Speaker 3: dictatorship and why we're suffering, and then of course tell 247 00:14:00,137 --> 00:14:05,217 Speaker 3: us what's what subway? What is ATM machine? Literally we 248 00:14:05,257 --> 00:14:08,137 Speaker 3: are like coming from a different planet. In North Korea, 249 00:14:08,137 --> 00:14:11,657 Speaker 3: we don't have like even electric city. We have like 250 00:14:11,737 --> 00:14:15,537 Speaker 3: electeracy once a year, but that's it. We don't know 251 00:14:15,537 --> 00:14:18,297 Speaker 3: know how to pick bus. So in this thirty month 252 00:14:18,377 --> 00:14:21,457 Speaker 3: period they teach us like how to take a subway, 253 00:14:21,617 --> 00:14:23,937 Speaker 3: you know, what's a dry cleaning, what's a supermarket? 254 00:14:24,097 --> 00:14:25,017 Speaker 1: Everything teach us. 255 00:14:25,737 --> 00:14:29,937 Speaker 3: Then there's a us to society to restarted in South Korea. 256 00:14:31,497 --> 00:14:35,857 Speaker 2: Wow, it's it's amazing. Honestly, I just sitting here at 257 00:14:36,057 --> 00:14:38,697 Speaker 2: what you've been through. I don't know. I don't know 258 00:14:38,697 --> 00:14:41,297 Speaker 2: how it's possible for anyone to have been through so much, 259 00:14:43,177 --> 00:14:46,457 Speaker 2: and and I just I feel like one of the 260 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:50,497 Speaker 2: challenges that, especially for not just Western but any audience 261 00:14:50,497 --> 00:14:54,337 Speaker 2: anywhere in the world, is it's hard to believe that 262 00:14:54,457 --> 00:14:56,617 Speaker 2: such a place could exist as the one that you 263 00:14:56,817 --> 00:14:59,697 Speaker 2: escaped from. You do you know what I mean, if 264 00:14:59,737 --> 00:15:02,537 Speaker 2: no one had, if you've never experienced a place where 265 00:15:03,897 --> 00:15:06,417 Speaker 2: where I mean, I remember in one of your interviews 266 00:15:06,417 --> 00:15:09,977 Speaker 2: you said you have to save the portrait of Can 267 00:15:10,257 --> 00:15:13,537 Speaker 2: John On or Kim Jong Ill or whatever whoever was 268 00:15:13,777 --> 00:15:16,017 Speaker 2: the one at the time, save the portrait of the 269 00:15:16,057 --> 00:15:19,377 Speaker 2: dear leader if the house is burning down before you 270 00:15:19,377 --> 00:15:21,217 Speaker 2: save your own children, and if you lose the portrait, 271 00:15:21,297 --> 00:15:23,897 Speaker 2: you just it's just you know, you hear this, You think, 272 00:15:23,937 --> 00:15:26,097 Speaker 2: how how does a place like that exist? When people 273 00:15:26,137 --> 00:15:28,257 Speaker 2: ask you that, now, how does a place like North 274 00:15:28,337 --> 00:15:31,817 Speaker 2: Korea exist? What do you say? 275 00:15:33,097 --> 00:15:37,177 Speaker 1: I think it is in some sense, I do think 276 00:15:37,217 --> 00:15:38,937 Speaker 1: that it is. 277 00:15:39,497 --> 00:15:42,537 Speaker 3: I mean, if i'm I'm I'm a believer, so I 278 00:15:42,537 --> 00:15:45,737 Speaker 3: won't even like ask God, like why do you allow this? 279 00:15:45,897 --> 00:15:48,497 Speaker 1: Why does this place? How is it even possible? 280 00:15:49,457 --> 00:15:52,937 Speaker 3: And I think in a way it's the reminder for 281 00:15:53,097 --> 00:15:56,577 Speaker 3: all of us to see what happens when people lose 282 00:15:56,617 --> 00:16:01,697 Speaker 3: their freedom, what happens to when individuals free lose their freedom? 283 00:16:01,777 --> 00:16:05,257 Speaker 3: And so what what the degree of oppression can be, like, 284 00:16:05,617 --> 00:16:10,017 Speaker 3: what's the evil? How deep they can go treating their people? 285 00:16:10,777 --> 00:16:13,417 Speaker 3: And I think that's why in my life, nothing has 286 00:16:13,497 --> 00:16:18,377 Speaker 3: been more horrible than my own government was in my life. 287 00:16:18,577 --> 00:16:23,897 Speaker 3: And I think people really don't understand how evil the 288 00:16:23,937 --> 00:16:28,817 Speaker 3: big government can be. And in North Korea they did 289 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:33,217 Speaker 3: this all in the name of equity, any quarative outcomes 290 00:16:33,257 --> 00:16:38,217 Speaker 3: and equalness and socialism and communism or all those great 291 00:16:38,217 --> 00:16:42,297 Speaker 3: words they use, most compassionate words. And it began from 292 00:16:42,377 --> 00:16:46,417 Speaker 3: that to now today, where the regime decided it is 293 00:16:46,537 --> 00:16:48,777 Speaker 3: better to control people if there are less of them 294 00:16:49,057 --> 00:16:52,497 Speaker 3: and if they are starting to that level of degree 295 00:16:52,537 --> 00:16:57,217 Speaker 3: of evil area achieved. So but the thing is, you know, 296 00:16:57,337 --> 00:16:59,737 Speaker 3: if we look at our human history, I mean there 297 00:16:59,857 --> 00:17:02,697 Speaker 3: was not to Germany, they're starting maud like. There are 298 00:17:02,697 --> 00:17:05,777 Speaker 3: a lot of dark chapters aboutur history. And I think 299 00:17:05,857 --> 00:17:09,537 Speaker 3: North Korea is all part of that. When people join 300 00:17:09,577 --> 00:17:15,177 Speaker 3: a group and people lose that responsibility for themselves and 301 00:17:15,297 --> 00:17:17,857 Speaker 3: want something else to take care of them, and that's 302 00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:18,297 Speaker 3: how it. 303 00:17:18,657 --> 00:17:19,577 Speaker 1: All did that begin. 304 00:17:20,337 --> 00:17:24,817 Speaker 2: One thing I found so interesting about the work you're doing, 305 00:17:25,337 --> 00:17:27,377 Speaker 2: other than telling people, I think it's so important that 306 00:17:27,417 --> 00:17:31,337 Speaker 2: individuals know that a place like North Korea canon does 307 00:17:31,377 --> 00:17:35,057 Speaker 2: exist because it shows what really the end state of 308 00:17:36,017 --> 00:17:38,617 Speaker 2: absolutist tyranny looks like, and that it can be twenty 309 00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:41,537 Speaker 2: twenty three and there are still people who are being 310 00:17:41,577 --> 00:17:44,057 Speaker 2: indoctrinated in the same way that you were subjected to 311 00:17:44,097 --> 00:17:47,897 Speaker 2: as a child. The total deprivation of the most basic 312 00:17:48,377 --> 00:17:52,977 Speaker 2: human rights, that evil could exist at mass scale like 313 00:17:53,057 --> 00:17:56,017 Speaker 2: that in the world today is something I think people 314 00:17:56,057 --> 00:17:58,657 Speaker 2: need to be reminded of. And that's why I'm also 315 00:17:58,737 --> 00:18:01,617 Speaker 2: very interested in what your message is. And I have 316 00:18:01,777 --> 00:18:04,097 Speaker 2: the book here in my hands, which i'll hold up 317 00:18:04,097 --> 00:18:10,537 Speaker 2: some people can actually see while time remains, and uh, 318 00:18:11,297 --> 00:18:13,337 Speaker 2: this is about more than just North Korea. Now, tell 319 00:18:13,417 --> 00:18:16,097 Speaker 2: us what you why you wrote this book, and what 320 00:18:16,457 --> 00:18:17,177 Speaker 2: your message is. 321 00:18:19,377 --> 00:18:19,617 Speaker 1: Yeah. 322 00:18:19,737 --> 00:18:23,857 Speaker 3: So it's in a way that I began my life 323 00:18:24,017 --> 00:18:27,457 Speaker 3: mission as to save North Korean people and letting the 324 00:18:27,497 --> 00:18:30,417 Speaker 3: world what was happening, especially but. 325 00:18:30,537 --> 00:18:32,097 Speaker 1: With these smaller day slaves. 326 00:18:32,377 --> 00:18:35,857 Speaker 3: There are three hundred dozen North Korean women in China 327 00:18:35,937 --> 00:18:39,897 Speaker 3: currently the Organs are harvest out of them. They're sold 328 00:18:40,097 --> 00:18:43,937 Speaker 3: like livestocks as sex slaves in the twenty first century, 329 00:18:44,817 --> 00:18:49,497 Speaker 3: and China is the second global power that everybody has 330 00:18:49,497 --> 00:18:52,177 Speaker 3: a business with. And I really want to raise awareness. 331 00:18:52,497 --> 00:18:54,617 Speaker 3: I came to America with that gore and I went 332 00:18:54,657 --> 00:18:58,977 Speaker 3: to Columbia University, and what I found at Columbia University 333 00:18:59,697 --> 00:19:04,497 Speaker 3: was reminded of what was being taught in North Korean classrooms. 334 00:19:05,057 --> 00:19:10,057 Speaker 3: The anti freedom, anti American, anti free market, anti individualists. 335 00:19:10,937 --> 00:19:15,537 Speaker 3: This sentiment was so bad that it was exactly like 336 00:19:15,617 --> 00:19:21,857 Speaker 3: North Korea. And that's when I realized that somehow America. 337 00:19:21,377 --> 00:19:22,817 Speaker 1: Is becoming like North Korea. 338 00:19:22,897 --> 00:19:26,897 Speaker 3: Of course the severity is not the same, but the 339 00:19:27,057 --> 00:19:31,537 Speaker 3: trajectory is on the same path. And that's what scares me. 340 00:19:31,817 --> 00:19:34,817 Speaker 3: And I think that's why I titled the White Time Remains. 341 00:19:35,097 --> 00:19:37,377 Speaker 3: I truly don't think that we have that much time 342 00:19:37,457 --> 00:19:40,577 Speaker 3: left to turn this back if we keep going this 343 00:19:40,657 --> 00:19:45,817 Speaker 3: direction where believing that meritocracy is evil, hard work is 344 00:19:45,817 --> 00:19:49,657 Speaker 3: a sign of white supremacy. Being on time, working up 345 00:19:49,657 --> 00:19:53,417 Speaker 3: only in the morning. It's a sign of white supremacy. 346 00:19:54,457 --> 00:19:58,577 Speaker 3: It's the you know, finding a victimhood and put that 347 00:19:58,737 --> 00:20:02,417 Speaker 3: score and dividing people. And what s tracks to me 348 00:20:02,497 --> 00:20:06,617 Speaker 3: is that it's always a dictatory handbook, right, dividing people 349 00:20:07,257 --> 00:20:11,497 Speaker 3: so they cannot work together. And then you that politicization, 350 00:20:11,617 --> 00:20:14,657 Speaker 3: that diffusion is always helpful for the dictator. And this 351 00:20:14,857 --> 00:20:18,617 Speaker 3: country is so divided right now, with the mainstream media 352 00:20:18,777 --> 00:20:21,897 Speaker 3: is of course in the behind that first, and then 353 00:20:22,537 --> 00:20:26,897 Speaker 3: certain porticate parties pushing that agenda. 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What was your 389 00:22:36,537 --> 00:22:40,377 Speaker 2: understanding of like family role and gender Because people that 390 00:22:40,497 --> 00:22:44,977 Speaker 2: study collectivism will often point back to Marx Engels, the 391 00:22:45,377 --> 00:22:51,817 Speaker 2: earliest collectivist communists. They wanted to elimit. They always hated 392 00:22:51,817 --> 00:22:54,137 Speaker 2: the family, and they hated they hated family, they hated 393 00:22:54,177 --> 00:22:56,737 Speaker 2: gender roles, they hated all of it. How did that? 394 00:22:57,057 --> 00:23:00,137 Speaker 2: How was that a part of North Korean existence? And 395 00:23:00,417 --> 00:23:03,137 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm asking because what I see here today 396 00:23:03,137 --> 00:23:05,777 Speaker 2: in America is I feel like the destruction of gender 397 00:23:05,857 --> 00:23:07,857 Speaker 2: roles in the family is very much part of the 398 00:23:07,897 --> 00:23:11,057 Speaker 2: collectivist and radical agenda. 399 00:23:13,177 --> 00:23:15,497 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really great question. 400 00:23:15,617 --> 00:23:18,897 Speaker 3: Where in North Korea, I remember my teacher was telling me, 401 00:23:19,497 --> 00:23:23,057 Speaker 3: teaching us that the most important father that we had 402 00:23:23,217 --> 00:23:25,097 Speaker 3: in our lives was not our own. 403 00:23:24,897 --> 00:23:29,777 Speaker 1: Biological father or mother to parents. It was our deal leader. 404 00:23:30,137 --> 00:23:31,257 Speaker 1: He was our father. 405 00:23:31,817 --> 00:23:34,257 Speaker 3: And if you see something that your parents are not 406 00:23:34,377 --> 00:23:36,977 Speaker 3: doing or to the vision, we had to report on them. 407 00:23:37,697 --> 00:23:41,777 Speaker 3: And Kim don't actually literally banned the Mother's Day, because 408 00:23:41,817 --> 00:23:44,177 Speaker 3: if we love our mothers, we're not going to love 409 00:23:44,297 --> 00:23:48,617 Speaker 3: him as much. And now I come to America this 410 00:23:48,817 --> 00:23:52,017 Speaker 3: idea where that your parents are not safe space if 411 00:23:52,017 --> 00:23:56,217 Speaker 3: they don't accept as we are. If you identify yourself 412 00:23:56,257 --> 00:24:01,177 Speaker 3: with these ten thousand different genders, your parents are not safe. 413 00:24:01,217 --> 00:24:02,497 Speaker 1: You need to run away from them. 414 00:24:03,377 --> 00:24:06,777 Speaker 3: And not only just genders are banned. In North school 415 00:24:06,937 --> 00:24:09,937 Speaker 3: right now at Columbia, was hearing these things like math 416 00:24:10,177 --> 00:24:13,577 Speaker 3: is racist. Math is made up by white men to 417 00:24:13,697 --> 00:24:17,177 Speaker 3: control the minority. And the first lesson I learned in 418 00:24:17,217 --> 00:24:19,617 Speaker 3: North Korea was this. My teacher was the one day 419 00:24:19,697 --> 00:24:23,777 Speaker 3: asking me what's one plus one is? 420 00:24:23,857 --> 00:24:26,057 Speaker 1: I said two? And she says you're one. 421 00:24:26,617 --> 00:24:29,577 Speaker 3: Your leader kings on air when you a child discover 422 00:24:29,737 --> 00:24:32,897 Speaker 3: that adding one drop of water to another drop of water, 423 00:24:33,337 --> 00:24:37,657 Speaker 3: what does that become? It becomes bigger one. It's not true. 424 00:24:38,297 --> 00:24:41,017 Speaker 3: That's how he proved that math was made up by 425 00:24:41,057 --> 00:24:45,937 Speaker 3: the West. And it's that same thing as being taught 426 00:24:45,937 --> 00:24:48,897 Speaker 3: in America saying that math is made up by why 427 00:24:48,977 --> 00:24:53,857 Speaker 3: men to control other people. So the basic truth of sex, 428 00:24:55,457 --> 00:24:58,777 Speaker 3: all of these things are redefined, even the. 429 00:24:58,937 --> 00:25:01,777 Speaker 1: Word inclusivity safe space. 430 00:25:01,857 --> 00:25:06,737 Speaker 3: At Columbia they say, we have an inclusivity inclusive environment. 431 00:25:07,057 --> 00:25:10,737 Speaker 3: We have a safe space, which means not safe at all. 432 00:25:10,817 --> 00:25:14,857 Speaker 3: If you make somebody feel offended or disagree with the 433 00:25:14,897 --> 00:25:20,937 Speaker 3: political correctness, you get shunned and you get denounced. Safe 434 00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:25,697 Speaker 3: space means a completely opposite at any Colombia. So they're 435 00:25:25,737 --> 00:25:30,817 Speaker 3: redefining all these concepts. And that's where you realize in 436 00:25:30,857 --> 00:25:34,497 Speaker 3: the comments countries, you don't understand what means things anymore. 437 00:25:35,337 --> 00:25:38,297 Speaker 3: I can really Joge Overs nineteen eighty four. The word 438 00:25:38,617 --> 00:25:42,137 Speaker 3: does not have a meaning. It doesn't mean anything anymore. 439 00:25:42,137 --> 00:25:45,657 Speaker 3: They lose every meaning and right. Freedom is not free, 440 00:25:45,737 --> 00:25:49,297 Speaker 3: slavery is not slavery. And now Colombia safe space not 441 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:53,657 Speaker 3: safe space, and clusivity is not inclusivity at all. Completely 442 00:25:53,737 --> 00:25:57,017 Speaker 3: opposite they're talking about. But they're using these terms and 443 00:25:57,057 --> 00:26:02,297 Speaker 3: redefining the words and all these words. Every concept is 444 00:26:02,417 --> 00:26:03,577 Speaker 3: losing its own truth. 445 00:26:05,057 --> 00:26:09,177 Speaker 2: And you mentioned orwill I also as you're speaking on me, 446 00:26:09,577 --> 00:26:13,657 Speaker 2: I think out souls and Eats in the Soviet dissident. 447 00:26:14,537 --> 00:26:17,697 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there are some quotes from 448 00:26:17,697 --> 00:26:21,417 Speaker 2: Souls and Eats in your books. But where he says 449 00:26:21,457 --> 00:26:23,337 Speaker 2: live not by it's I think of the speech that 450 00:26:23,377 --> 00:26:26,497 Speaker 2: he gave at Harvard University back in the seventies. Live 451 00:26:26,617 --> 00:26:30,417 Speaker 2: not by lies. You know, let the lie effectively, let 452 00:26:30,417 --> 00:26:33,337 Speaker 2: the lie conquer, let it, let it, you know, flourish, 453 00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:36,737 Speaker 2: but not through you. Right, And it sounds like in 454 00:26:36,777 --> 00:26:39,857 Speaker 2: North Korea the entire regime is just built on an 455 00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:44,617 Speaker 2: endless series, an apparatus of lies. And while at a 456 00:26:44,617 --> 00:26:48,097 Speaker 2: different level, and you note that in America there's also 457 00:26:48,497 --> 00:26:52,737 Speaker 2: increasingly a demand that people believe things that are just 458 00:26:53,297 --> 00:26:54,137 Speaker 2: not true. 459 00:26:56,057 --> 00:27:01,177 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this gender thing is like absolutely not true. 460 00:27:01,777 --> 00:27:03,817 Speaker 3: And in a way, that's why I was saying, like, 461 00:27:03,977 --> 00:27:07,537 Speaker 3: if Narskru's not this crazy, I meant this in Norsko, 462 00:27:07,657 --> 00:27:11,337 Speaker 3: we don't have ten thousand different genders. Even North Korea 463 00:27:11,417 --> 00:27:15,457 Speaker 3: hasn't gone this far. We're attacking the basic truth in 464 00:27:15,497 --> 00:27:19,377 Speaker 3: this way. And there are things exactly the same that 465 00:27:19,497 --> 00:27:21,937 Speaker 3: North Korea. They say, all the problems that we have 466 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:25,257 Speaker 3: in the world is because of the greedy capitalism and 467 00:27:25,377 --> 00:27:27,377 Speaker 3: because of Western civilization and white men. 468 00:27:28,177 --> 00:27:30,817 Speaker 1: Columbia is the same thing. All the problems that we 469 00:27:30,897 --> 00:27:31,217 Speaker 1: have in. 470 00:27:31,177 --> 00:27:34,497 Speaker 3: The world is because of corrpti American system that were 471 00:27:34,537 --> 00:27:38,577 Speaker 3: made by white men and the greedy capitalism. So the 472 00:27:38,617 --> 00:27:43,417 Speaker 3: only solution to solve all these problems dismantling American system, 473 00:27:43,977 --> 00:27:47,777 Speaker 3: destroying capitalism, and we're building this country the name of 474 00:27:47,857 --> 00:27:52,777 Speaker 3: equity collectivism. And so the end gore what they want 475 00:27:52,857 --> 00:27:53,897 Speaker 3: is exactly the same thing. 476 00:27:55,897 --> 00:27:59,497 Speaker 2: Are you fail with a book? Gosh, I forget the 477 00:27:59,577 --> 00:28:01,857 Speaker 2: name of the author, but it's called The Cleanest Race 478 00:28:01,977 --> 00:28:06,577 Speaker 2: about North Korea, and it talks about all the race propaganda? 479 00:28:06,737 --> 00:28:10,297 Speaker 2: Is that I know? Yeah, it's to tell me about this, 480 00:28:10,337 --> 00:28:12,337 Speaker 2: because I think that's a surprise people, is that there's 481 00:28:12,417 --> 00:28:17,137 Speaker 2: so much race and racist propaganda as part of the 482 00:28:17,177 --> 00:28:19,777 Speaker 2: North Korean regime. He said, white you know, white people 483 00:28:19,817 --> 00:28:22,217 Speaker 2: are devils. I think the stuff that they depict of 484 00:28:23,457 --> 00:28:25,457 Speaker 2: black people, from what I remember from the book, is 485 00:28:25,777 --> 00:28:28,697 Speaker 2: as deeply racist as you could find anywhere. How does that, 486 00:28:29,257 --> 00:28:31,817 Speaker 2: How does the obsession with race and depictions of it 487 00:28:31,937 --> 00:28:35,697 Speaker 2: factor into North Korea and the Kim regime? 488 00:28:37,577 --> 00:28:41,297 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I wasn't hearing. 489 00:28:40,977 --> 00:28:45,497 Speaker 3: About the black people because I was not educated. I 490 00:28:45,537 --> 00:28:48,137 Speaker 3: was in the countryside and I was in the bottom cast. 491 00:28:48,897 --> 00:28:52,417 Speaker 3: But the white people they definitely demonize. In every school poster. 492 00:28:52,657 --> 00:28:56,257 Speaker 3: They said that white people are called the bloody, the reptimes. 493 00:28:56,857 --> 00:29:02,017 Speaker 3: They are pure monsters. They torture people. They are eating children. 494 00:29:02,097 --> 00:29:06,937 Speaker 3: They're torturing our pulling our teeth out and cutting crying 495 00:29:06,977 --> 00:29:09,857 Speaker 3: the women's bellies out and killing the baby. And they 496 00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:14,097 Speaker 3: they love that right. They're monsters. And this is the 497 00:29:14,177 --> 00:29:17,457 Speaker 3: same thing that Vision does. So when North koreamen go 498 00:29:17,577 --> 00:29:20,137 Speaker 3: to China, they get sold and get raped and get 499 00:29:20,177 --> 00:29:24,737 Speaker 3: pregnant by the Chinese traffickers and rapist, they get called 500 00:29:24,777 --> 00:29:27,777 Speaker 3: and send back North Korea. The first thing they do 501 00:29:28,137 --> 00:29:31,417 Speaker 3: is doing a pregnant test on women, and if women 502 00:29:31,497 --> 00:29:37,457 Speaker 3: are pregnant, they put up uh packed the wood pad 503 00:29:37,577 --> 00:29:40,937 Speaker 3: and then making other inmates or fishers who like jump 504 00:29:41,017 --> 00:29:42,657 Speaker 3: on the women's stumbach until. 505 00:29:42,457 --> 00:29:47,497 Speaker 1: The baby dies, or they put salt water that. 506 00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:52,257 Speaker 3: Is not even a cling in jug into the belly 507 00:29:52,337 --> 00:29:56,537 Speaker 3: womb until baby dies. And even that baby comes out alive, 508 00:29:57,097 --> 00:29:59,777 Speaker 3: they flip the baby, they strangle the baby, they kill 509 00:29:59,857 --> 00:30:00,377 Speaker 3: the baby. 510 00:30:00,977 --> 00:30:03,537 Speaker 1: Even mixing with Chinese, they don't accept that. 511 00:30:03,737 --> 00:30:07,537 Speaker 2: So they're race This is they're they're racist against North 512 00:30:07,617 --> 00:30:12,497 Speaker 2: Korean regime, and propaganda is racist against the Chinese as well. 513 00:30:12,657 --> 00:30:16,057 Speaker 1: Everybody. They are. They don't believe in mixing race. 514 00:30:16,097 --> 00:30:20,017 Speaker 3: They only believe in North Korean race, the international marriage 515 00:30:20,057 --> 00:30:23,577 Speaker 3: is then nobody can travel to North Korea obviously for freely. 516 00:30:24,257 --> 00:30:27,817 Speaker 3: So they don't want North Korean to mix with anybody 517 00:30:27,857 --> 00:30:30,457 Speaker 3: on Earth other than North Korea. But rein' even North 518 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:34,937 Speaker 3: Koreans cannot mix because we have fifty one different cast systems. 519 00:30:36,257 --> 00:30:39,137 Speaker 3: So North Korea is starting the name of equality of 520 00:30:39,217 --> 00:30:42,937 Speaker 3: outcomes and everything equal. They got the power and regime 521 00:30:43,017 --> 00:30:47,537 Speaker 3: divide North Koreans into fifty one different classes. So within 522 00:30:47,617 --> 00:30:51,457 Speaker 3: these classes and cannot mix because if my stetus high 523 00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:55,457 Speaker 3: and then the guystus is I mean mice is low 524 00:30:55,497 --> 00:30:58,497 Speaker 3: and guys that is high. When we marry, it's not 525 00:30:58,617 --> 00:31:01,737 Speaker 3: marrying up. Everybody going down with that to these knowligies 526 00:31:01,777 --> 00:31:06,457 Speaker 3: of eachy family. That's how they prevent mixing the cast 527 00:31:06,857 --> 00:31:09,497 Speaker 3: between say North Korean people. 528 00:31:10,417 --> 00:31:12,097 Speaker 2: We'll get back into this in a second, friends, but 529 00:31:12,297 --> 00:31:13,897 Speaker 2: for a moment here, I want to talk about the tunnel. 530 00:31:13,897 --> 00:31:17,537 Speaker 2: The Towers Foundation two thousand, nine hundred and seventy seven 531 00:31:17,577 --> 00:31:20,417 Speaker 2: people lost their lives on nine eleven, two thousand and one, 532 00:31:20,857 --> 00:31:23,537 Speaker 2: but that day is still taking lives. People are suffering 533 00:31:23,577 --> 00:31:26,697 Speaker 2: and dying from nine to eleven related illnesses, not to mention, 534 00:31:26,777 --> 00:31:29,137 Speaker 2: there's also a whole generation out there that knows little 535 00:31:29,177 --> 00:31:32,017 Speaker 2: to nothing about nine to eleven. 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One of 550 00:32:21,097 --> 00:32:23,057 Speaker 2: the ways that North Korea, and really I think the 551 00:32:23,097 --> 00:32:26,457 Speaker 2: most common way that it gets into the global and 552 00:32:26,497 --> 00:32:34,617 Speaker 2: American news cycle is around the possible use of nuclear 553 00:32:34,657 --> 00:32:39,937 Speaker 2: weapons and striking whether South Korea or other places, having 554 00:32:39,977 --> 00:32:42,657 Speaker 2: grown up in that regime and understood the degree of 555 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:50,257 Speaker 2: the propaganda and the really psychosis of the ruling power there, right, 556 00:32:51,457 --> 00:32:55,297 Speaker 2: it's a regime built on psychopathy, effectively, do you think 557 00:32:55,337 --> 00:32:57,897 Speaker 2: that they is there? I should rephrase this because obviously 558 00:32:57,897 --> 00:32:59,617 Speaker 2: I would assume you're gonna say yes. But is there 559 00:32:59,617 --> 00:33:02,417 Speaker 2: any doubt in your mind that if the came regime 560 00:33:02,497 --> 00:33:06,097 Speaker 2: felt threatened enough that they would fire nuclear weapons, either 561 00:33:06,137 --> 00:33:07,857 Speaker 2: at South Korea or other targets or do you think 562 00:33:07,897 --> 00:33:08,817 Speaker 2: do you think it's bluster? 563 00:33:11,337 --> 00:33:15,137 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this isn't one word that we all. 564 00:33:15,097 --> 00:33:19,177 Speaker 3: Knew, so kings on your opponent status. 565 00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,857 Speaker 1: There is no world without North Korea. 566 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:25,377 Speaker 3: So if the world decide to end the Northern Region, 567 00:33:25,857 --> 00:33:30,337 Speaker 3: they're gonna blow up the world. It's not just America 568 00:33:30,497 --> 00:33:34,337 Speaker 3: or their allies. He literally said in North Korea. They 569 00:33:34,377 --> 00:33:38,417 Speaker 3: ominions taken off that like, which literally means there's no 570 00:33:38,537 --> 00:33:42,657 Speaker 3: word without North Korea. If that means region. If the 571 00:33:42,697 --> 00:33:45,857 Speaker 3: Northern Region goes away, they're gonna do everything they can 572 00:33:45,937 --> 00:33:52,817 Speaker 3: to destroy the world. And I think that's that's what 573 00:33:52,857 --> 00:33:56,257 Speaker 3: they think of. And so I mean North Korea already 574 00:33:56,297 --> 00:34:00,417 Speaker 3: invaded South Korea to take off in the fifties and 575 00:34:00,577 --> 00:34:03,097 Speaker 3: they America joined the war and they could not be 576 00:34:03,137 --> 00:34:05,297 Speaker 3: and so now they're in the resting state. 577 00:34:05,337 --> 00:34:06,897 Speaker 1: Right the war hasn't ended. 578 00:34:07,737 --> 00:34:11,177 Speaker 3: And North Korea's dream is always takeing over South Korea 579 00:34:11,377 --> 00:34:15,697 Speaker 3: and bring the commonism into South Korea as well. And 580 00:34:15,817 --> 00:34:19,057 Speaker 3: they end the goal is really like China, they want 581 00:34:19,697 --> 00:34:24,977 Speaker 3: the norm to be the authoritarian regimes because the democracy 582 00:34:25,017 --> 00:34:27,697 Speaker 3: there is there's always a challenge for them because the 583 00:34:27,737 --> 00:34:30,857 Speaker 3: people want to go those democracy and they have things 584 00:34:30,897 --> 00:34:34,297 Speaker 3: to compare. But I imagine the door nore is the 585 00:34:34,297 --> 00:34:37,777 Speaker 3: authoritaian state like China and North Korea advantage or Cuba. 586 00:34:38,217 --> 00:34:40,497 Speaker 3: Then everybody going to think this is a norm, and 587 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:41,737 Speaker 3: they're going to accept that. 588 00:34:42,057 --> 00:34:43,537 Speaker 1: Nobody going to fight against it. 589 00:34:44,017 --> 00:34:48,737 Speaker 3: And their goal is spreading this authoritarian ideology as much 590 00:34:48,777 --> 00:34:51,777 Speaker 3: as I can, and that's their end, the goal. 591 00:34:51,737 --> 00:34:52,977 Speaker 1: To make that all normal. 592 00:34:53,457 --> 00:34:55,537 Speaker 2: What should the world do about North Korea? You know, 593 00:34:55,537 --> 00:34:57,937 Speaker 2: if I could get you in a room with a 594 00:34:58,057 --> 00:35:03,897 Speaker 2: Republican or Democrat or any you know, presidential administration that 595 00:35:04,817 --> 00:35:08,457 Speaker 2: wanted to really do something about North Korea, what would 596 00:35:08,457 --> 00:35:08,977 Speaker 2: you tell them? 597 00:35:10,537 --> 00:35:10,937 Speaker 1: China? 598 00:35:11,857 --> 00:35:15,097 Speaker 3: Talk to China, because China has all the kids they 599 00:35:15,137 --> 00:35:20,737 Speaker 3: are sponsoring these modern holocaust in North Korea. Without China, 600 00:35:20,897 --> 00:35:24,177 Speaker 3: the regime cannot last in seven days, like not even 601 00:35:24,217 --> 00:35:27,817 Speaker 3: one week. They can survive. North Korea has no natural oil. 602 00:35:27,937 --> 00:35:32,417 Speaker 3: They cannot test nukes without the oil. China snows this 603 00:35:32,577 --> 00:35:35,777 Speaker 3: oil every year, every month to North Korea, so North 604 00:35:35,817 --> 00:35:39,937 Speaker 3: Korea can keep building these newkes can destroy the world eventually. 605 00:35:41,017 --> 00:35:43,377 Speaker 1: So because no country in the world can trade. 606 00:35:43,217 --> 00:35:46,537 Speaker 3: North Korea sanctions, China is the only one that's breaking 607 00:35:46,657 --> 00:35:49,537 Speaker 3: all the international laws and helping this dictator out and 608 00:35:49,617 --> 00:35:54,217 Speaker 3: this mafia, the gangster out. So if the American governments 609 00:35:54,217 --> 00:35:57,377 Speaker 3: had the will to really start North Korea, they can 610 00:35:57,417 --> 00:36:00,537 Speaker 3: go to China and where the more accountable really expose 611 00:36:00,977 --> 00:36:04,537 Speaker 3: how corrupted China is sponsoring the most corrupted AU thirteen 612 00:36:04,617 --> 00:36:08,617 Speaker 3: region in North Korea and enslaving twenty five. 613 00:36:08,417 --> 00:36:11,817 Speaker 1: Million human lives. But China is part of it. 614 00:36:11,857 --> 00:36:16,057 Speaker 3: They are the they are solent, they are the problem. 615 00:36:16,817 --> 00:36:19,417 Speaker 3: So like really training, our score is not going to 616 00:36:19,497 --> 00:36:22,777 Speaker 3: come from changing game jum North create a puppet stare 617 00:36:22,817 --> 00:36:26,137 Speaker 3: of China. So China has all the keys and they 618 00:36:26,657 --> 00:36:27,897 Speaker 3: have the contipulated chop them. 619 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:33,457 Speaker 2: You on me Park, amazing your story and I mean 620 00:36:33,457 --> 00:36:37,377 Speaker 2: the bravery that you've displayed in your life just to 621 00:36:37,417 --> 00:36:39,777 Speaker 2: be able to live a life on your own, but 622 00:36:39,817 --> 00:36:44,817 Speaker 2: also now to take up the fight against totalitarian madness 623 00:36:45,857 --> 00:36:48,137 Speaker 2: all over the place, which unfortunately I think is spreading 624 00:36:48,297 --> 00:36:49,977 Speaker 2: and something that I'm probably gonna want to talk to 625 00:36:49,977 --> 00:36:52,537 Speaker 2: you about more again in the future. But here is 626 00:36:52,817 --> 00:36:55,257 Speaker 2: the book while time remains. I know you have another 627 00:36:55,257 --> 00:36:57,617 Speaker 2: book as well. I have them both. I didn't bring 628 00:36:57,617 --> 00:36:59,777 Speaker 2: them both on set, but I have them both, and 629 00:37:00,377 --> 00:37:02,817 Speaker 2: I'll come back to you with my full book reports 630 00:37:02,817 --> 00:37:04,417 Speaker 2: for both of them in the future. But you on 631 00:37:04,497 --> 00:37:06,697 Speaker 2: me really appreciate you making the time. Thank you so much, 632 00:37:06,697 --> 00:37:07,897 Speaker 2: and thank you for telling your story. 633 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:09,017 Speaker 1: Thank you so much.