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Speaker 1: So a lot to tackle. Let's start with some news

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Speaker 1: And this wasn't necessarily stunning, but he did confirm Nate

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Speaker 1: June is in Schenectady, June. Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a better team this year. What what

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Speaker 1: that results in in terms of their final one loss record.

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us are prepared to

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Speaker 1: say right now, because let's let's get the roster down first. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get through training camp. Let's get the fifty three

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Speaker 1: on the field, you know, going into opening week number one,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about a record. But I think

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Speaker 1: we both agree this team is definitely improved. You could

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Speaker 1: tell just by the ninety day have now compared to

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Speaker 1: the ninety day at this time last year. This is

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Speaker 1: a much much deeper team. Well, there's been turned over

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Speaker 1: on the roster, which tends to happen every offseason. You

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Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, the addition of Kevin Zeitler

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Speaker 1: Remer is now being added to compete with Chad Wheeler.

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Speaker 1: Right side of the offensive line has changed. And then

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Speaker 1: the receiving corps with some new faces. You added Golden Tate.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the guys on the back endo

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Speaker 1: the receiving corps are healthy and are gonna compete. Corey

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Speaker 1: Coleman a full training camp. I'm very excited to see

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Speaker 1: what he could do. We talked about the four rookie corners,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean by that just on the surface,

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Speaker 1: regardless of productivity on the field, there's reason to feel

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Speaker 1: as if it's gonna be a different defense and there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some new wrinkles on offense. But I will

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Speaker 1: say this about the Giants, outlook, and I'm not one

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Speaker 1: to get ahead of ourselves. I think we've got a

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Speaker 1: long way to go this offseason. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at the history of this division and the turnover rate

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Speaker 1: in the division, the fact that nobody's went back to

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Speaker 1: back division titles since the Eagles in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: I've said multiple times in this program. I will continue

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Speaker 1: to emphasize that. And it's not to get the pom

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Speaker 1: poms out and make a campaign as to why the

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Speaker 1: Giants could perhaps have a good season. It's strictly to

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Speaker 1: point out this division is wide open. It's been wide

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Speaker 1: open every single year, and it's very difficult to pick

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Speaker 1: up where you left off the previous year because these

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Speaker 1: teams beat each other up. There's been a lot of changes.

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Speaker 1: The one thing, though, I will say, is the Giants

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Speaker 1: are working with probably a lot of new personnel Paul,

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Speaker 1: compared to some of the other teams in the A Vision.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are returning their core, the Cowboys are returning

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Speaker 1: their core. I'd say the Redskins are probably closest to

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Paul in terms of turnover on the roster

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Speaker 1: because of the quarterback situation, some the new faces on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line and on defense. But the Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, the one thing you have to say is,

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Speaker 1: you know, those teams that made the playoffs last year,

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Speaker 1: for the most part, the coaching staffs and the rosters

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Speaker 1: themselves are pretty much returning intact, and that usually helps

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Speaker 1: a team at least get off to a good start

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Speaker 1: in the initial stages of the season. The only thing

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Speaker 1: that that you would say on the flip side to

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Speaker 1: that is when you are a team that's under reconstruction,

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Speaker 1: you really should benefit from the energy and the hopeful

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Speaker 1: upside of as many younger players and including younger veterans

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Speaker 1: that you can bring in. That's the one case where

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Speaker 1: continuity and consistency actually isn't good you. You don't want

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Speaker 1: that because if the results haven't been very good in

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Speaker 1: the past, continuity and consistency isn't going to help you.

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Speaker 1: It's to push each other, there's no doubt about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the Cowboys, in the Eagles case, they are coming

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Speaker 1: off postseason, they are I think that's a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We've got Jeff

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Speaker 1: in Rhode Island. Jeff, welcome to the program. What's on

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Speaker 1: your mind? How are you doing? Guys? H okay, I

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Speaker 1: get a couple of comments and a question for Paul I.

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Speaker 1: We got to the draft. I don't think Dave Gedelman

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Speaker 1: has done anywhere and enough to really improve the past

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Speaker 1: rush and we got to edge rushes and so on

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Speaker 1: and so forth. I just would have gone in a

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Speaker 1: totally different direction in the draft and I would have

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Speaker 1: taken Josh Allen and draft at a quarterback next year.

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Speaker 1: We stood we will root for Mr Jones and hope

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Speaker 1: that he's successful, and uh, Paul I hope he plays

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Speaker 1: a lot more like Sonny Jurgensen than Dave Brown. So

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going with that, the man with the

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Speaker 1: golden arms, Sonny Jurgensen, that Land. Well, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: familiar with the name, and I'm certainly familiar with a

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Speaker 1: rout as well. Yeah, yeah, I know. I Um anyway,

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Speaker 1: Paul I, I'm kind of interested in this, uh tight end.

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Speaker 1: We have on a roster, a free agent from Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and C. J. Conrad is his name, and I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of hoping you'll, you know, kind of all I balled

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Speaker 1: him a little bit is uh time goes on because

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see, you know, if he really has

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Speaker 1: anything to offer us in regards to UH, at least

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Speaker 1: being you know, past past catching tight end coming out

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Speaker 1: of rookie minicamp um. My thoughts were that Dungee, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback from Syracuse, because of the versatility he brings, he

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Speaker 1: probably would have the most intriguing opportunity to be the

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Speaker 1: sleeper that makes this year's roster. But you can't name

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Speaker 1: him a sleeper only because everybody wrote about him. So

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Speaker 1: then who is the quote sleeper? And if you listen

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Speaker 1: to the show last week, my sleeper is c J. Conrad.

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Speaker 1: I think that c. J. Conrad is cut out of

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Speaker 1: a block of granite. Okay, he is absolutely just like

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Speaker 1: a block of stone. When you look at this fellow,

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Speaker 1: he moves fluidly. We've already seen him catch the ball

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Speaker 1: very well, uh in the short flat soft hands, seems

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Speaker 1: to be very confident and assertive in his movements. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: look lost out there. I'm anxious to see once they

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Speaker 1: put the pads on, how physically is that the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage? You know, when he starts getting hit and

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Speaker 1: chucked a little bit, can he break press coverage off

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Speaker 1: the line when he gets down field, is he looking

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Speaker 1: for you know, ghosts as he tries to catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: especially when he's over the middle. These are all things

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be carefully looking for. But I agree with

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Speaker 1: you right now. C. J. Conrad is my dark horse. Again.

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Speaker 1: I'm disqualifying Dungee because I got a feeling Dungee as

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Speaker 1: the Swiss Army Knife. We talked about him with Feagles

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Speaker 1: last week. He he could steal a spot on this

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Speaker 1: roster as a Swiss Army knife. But I think Conrad

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Speaker 1: Conrad's my sleeper. Okay, So I just so I understand

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Speaker 1: the the tight ends and the i'd received as the

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Speaker 1: out there during the o t as running all their yes. Okay, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that, and you guys have a good day. Hi, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Scott Simonson was getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of reps today. I mean he was targeting multiple times

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Speaker 1: from what I observed. Evan Ingram was out there. You

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Speaker 1: got Red Ellison, you got Garrett Dickerson on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and there's a number of tight ends that are returning

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Speaker 1: that have a little bit more familiarity with the scheme.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Conrad is certainly a name to watch,

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Speaker 1: but there's some competition at that position, and there, unlike

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Speaker 1: the rest of the roster, has not been exposed to

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Speaker 1: what they're doing thus far in this system. So that's

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Speaker 1: something to at least keep close tabs on moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Every year after the rookie minicamp, I always pick a

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Speaker 1: dark course and I and I'm actually got a great

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Speaker 1: percentage in terms of guys making the fifty three and

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Speaker 1: if not, making the practice squad. This one, this one's

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Speaker 1: a hard one because there's so many bodies ahead of

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Speaker 1: them who have been here before. To be honest, but

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Speaker 1: that's how much I really like a lot of what

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Speaker 1: I see this guy up close and personal. So I'm

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Speaker 1: still gonna take a stab at it. And at the

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Speaker 1: very least, I'm sure he'll be practice squad. But but

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Speaker 1: I'm still gonna say he sneaks on to the fifty three.

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Speaker 1: I don't know they're gonna keep four. It's possible you

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Speaker 1: could keep four. You can't keep more than four tight

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Speaker 1: ends more than likely you keep three, but you could

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Speaker 1: keep four. I think a lot depends on also what

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Speaker 1: happens with the fullback position and a Penny. I think

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Speaker 1: that influences the tight end spot and how many individuals

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Speaker 1: at that position make the team. So that will be

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Speaker 1: something that you'll have to watch for first. And remember,

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Speaker 1: if the fullback can play a key role as a

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Speaker 1: receiver in this offense, he increases his chances of making

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Speaker 1: the roster. Pat Sheremers made that clear, and Elijah Penny

578
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Speaker 1: could do that. If they like what Penny could provide

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Speaker 1: as a runner and a receiver and he makes the roster,

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Speaker 1: then in all likelihood, I see three tight ends making

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Speaker 1: this team, which makes the competition even tougher for a

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Speaker 1: guy like c. J. Conrad to solidify a spot. Two

583
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Speaker 1: zero five one three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. Let's

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Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Clay is in Brooklyn, Clay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. What's happened? Hey, guys, how are

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Speaker 1: you today? Let me say first of all, um that

587
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm near Brooklyn, as you mentioned, and I know that

588
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: one of you is I'm not going to mention any names.

589
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: You know who you are, but I'm here to support

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Speaker 1: the one that is a native Brooklyn. Uh. But I

591
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: want to also say that I'm a long time Giants

592
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Speaker 1: fan I don't know if you guys remember Spider Lockhart

593
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: with friends from the from the National Guard back in

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Speaker 1: the sixtie No Kid ex actually however, Yeah, that's how

595
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I became a Giant fan act that used the guys

596
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: take us to the Giants every year. Spider's son came

597
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: out here to the facility a couple of months ago.

598
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I believe the Giants, So yeah, I believe the Giants

599
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: are working on a Giant's chronicles, uh, you know the

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00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: MSG series, the document that would be in the documentary series.

601
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: I think they're working on a Spider Lockhart for this season.

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Speaker 1: And his son came out here to the facility to

603
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Speaker 1: to do an interview to talk about his up and

604
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: it was good to meet him because his dad was

605
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: one heck of a player. Absolutely, that's really amazing. I've

606
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: actually never met his son. I was like six when

607
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Speaker 1: Spider was drafted, and like anyway, long story short, our

608
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: family's kind of lost touch over the years. But while

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00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: he was a Giant, he has my dad. Like I said,

610
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Speaker 1: my Spider was drafted in International Guard, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he reported to my dad. So we lost him much

612
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: too soon. He used his wife irma, we're friends with

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Speaker 1: my mom and dad. Anyway, Uh, I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: I could ask about the undrafted free agents, especially the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. My biggest concern is old line, and I

616
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Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of young oldligneman in camp Um,

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Speaker 1: Paul Adams, Big George, the shot putter, Austin, Drew Tsma,

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Speaker 1: uh James o'hagen, Evan Brown, etcetera, etcetera. I guess I

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Speaker 1: haven't been to a practice since Spider was on the

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Speaker 1: team when they to practice of post, so I can't

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Speaker 1: quite envision how is set up to all of the

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Speaker 1: players practice in the same place or do they have

623
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Speaker 1: like the broken down into you know, talk two teams

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Speaker 1: and then the backups in a different part of the fields.

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Speaker 1: How do you keep an eye on those guys? Well,

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: they they break up clay into individual drills and then

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Speaker 1: they do team drills. I mean that's usually how the

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Speaker 1: practice is structured. So the wide receivers will be in

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Speaker 1: one section of the field, they'll do special teams, offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman will go off onto their own side, and then

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Speaker 1: during the course of practice they'll do seven on sevens,

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Speaker 1: eleven on elevens, or whatever it may be. Whatever is

633
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Speaker 1: called for on that day of practice. As far as

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, clearly, it's very difficult to evaluate the offensive

635
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Speaker 1: lineman during O t A s because they're not wearing paths.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of physical contact. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of some of the undrafted guys you mentioned, Evan Brown,

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Speaker 1: Evan Brown was actually on the roster last year as

639
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Speaker 1: a backup center. He's a name to watch if they

640
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: can toy with him, maybe a guard a little bit.

641
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I think Pat Shermer thinks very highly of him. You know,

642
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a stretch to think that he

643
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: can maybe make the roster if he could prove with

644
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: respect to his versatility. Uh. Georgia Sapho a j Is

645
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick who they brought in, so he's

646
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily a part of this group, but he's another

647
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: young guy. Nick Gates was in the mix last year.

648
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's a player certainly that I think has

649
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot. Those other guys that you threw out,

650
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I think they're extremely raw,

651
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: and I personally have not seen enough to give an

652
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: insightful answer as to whether or not I think they're

653
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna make strides. We're really gonna have to wait to

654
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: see training camp to determine, you know, whether or not

655
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: these guys can make a name for themselves. But the

656
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: ones that I think are at least in the conversation

657
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: at the backup position Evan Brown, Brian Mahalek, who actually

658
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: is a starter right now because of Nate Soldier's injury,

659
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Nick Gates, as I mentioned the seventh round pick Georgia

660
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Sapho a j and you know that I think rounds

661
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: out the group for the most part in terms of

662
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: who you should be thinking about. That could maybe be

663
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: that seventh or eighth offensive line because your figure both

664
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: centers and all likely you're gonna make the team, meaning

665
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Hallapeo and Pulley. So that leaves to meet two other

666
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: spots that they're probably toying, right, And how many guys

667
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: do they keep after the eight that are on the act, Like,

668
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: how many can they keep on contract to the practice squad?

669
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm really not sure. Well, ten guys are usually on

670
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: the practice squad. And what they did was they changed

671
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: the NFL rules a few years ago, where usually it

672
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: was you know, if you have rookie status or less

673
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: than a year you're fine, but they expanded it where

674
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: there's two spots now on the practice squad, where if

675
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: you have at least two years of eligibility you can

676
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: go onto the practice squad. So there's a little bit

677
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: more flexibility, but normally the number is ten on the

678
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: practice squad. Guys, thank you so much, appreciate it, Thanks

679
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. And you know, it's a

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: fair question, because you know, Paul, you and I have

681
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: had conversations when it comes to the numbers game of

682
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: this roster. We're just talking about it with respect to

683
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the tight ends. Every year it's fluctuated. You never go

684
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: into a season saying they're absolutely gonna keep an offensive lineman,

685
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: They're absolutely gonna keep eight. Depends on how the roster

686
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: is structure, depends on injuries too, once they get down

687
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: to the fifty three. But I think if you look

688
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: at this group, I don't think it's crazy to think

689
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: that they'll keep at least eight. I'd be surprised if

690
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: they keep seven. Would I be stunned. No, I wouldn't

691
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: be necessarily stunned. But the reason why I'm using surprised

692
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: as as perhaps a similar terminology here is because I

693
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: think that there's substance and depth on this offensive line,

694
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: and I don't think, Paul, they're gonna be so quick

695
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: to get rid of these players, especially if they feel

696
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: some of them could play multiple roles. And we've seen

697
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: how the injury bug has struck this team. I don't

698
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: know if you want to risk put a guy in

699
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: the practice squad, especially if he flourishes in training camp

700
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: as well as the preseason, and somebody can easily claim

701
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: off your practice squad. It's gonna be eight or nine,

702
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look, a lot of this is

703
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: going to depend on are they going to keep that

704
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: fourth tight end? Are they going to keep a fullback?

705
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Are they going to keep an extra corner? Because they

706
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: like their young corners so much? Maybe they only go

707
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: with three, say of these because we think Julian Love

708
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: may be able to go back there and play something.

709
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do you keep six or five wide receivers.

710
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of Robin Peter to pay

711
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Paul here, There really is. As you try to, you know,

712
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: whittle down how many you're going to keep at an

713
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: individual position. This this this is a good problem to have.

714
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: You know, you're a better team. Okay, you're a higher

715
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: quality team when you're fighting to steal from one position

716
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: to help another. That's a good problem. Okay, when you

717
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, that you can just say, Okay,

718
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep five of these, we're gonna keep six

719
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: of these, we're gonna keep seven of these. If it's

720
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: clear cut and you don't have to worry about that,

721
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: chances are you're not a very good team because the

722
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: guys you're putting in those roster spots are there by

723
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: default because there's not enough competition, bigger circumstances. Yeah. Well,

724
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: the other thing that I think is related to what

725
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and you hear this cliche more often

726
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: than not when teams are finalizing their roster. The more

727
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: you can do, the better the chance you have to

728
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: make the roster. But there's an extreme amount of validity

729
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: behind this statement, Like that case in point, If you

730
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: could play special teams and you can also play multiple positions,

731
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: positions in the secondary, yeah, your chance of making the

732
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: roster pretty good. If you could play safety, corner and

733
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: be a return guy or a coverage guy, you know

734
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a lot of reasons to keep you

735
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: versus if you're the guy that just play corner and

736
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: you don't contribute on special teams and you don't have

737
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: much experience, you're probably gonna be at the bottom of

738
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: the depth chart and be an edge fringe type of guy.

739
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines as we move

740
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: along here on mondays that they should a biglue Kioff Live,

741
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: which is presented by Corps Light lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland. Len,

742
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: what's happening, Hey, guys, how are you doing doing all right? Lynn?

743
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: What do you got first? Um? Hey, PAULI Don Perkins.

744
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: Holy cow, that's way back. That's way back in Cowboys history.

745
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But you know, uh, Paul Perkins whole family.

746
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: I haven't met Don, but I've seen the rest of

747
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: his family. Two years ago when the Giants I had

748
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I believe it was the game in Minnesota when he

749
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: had that one long run. Yeah, I met his family

750
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: downstairs in the tunnel, and my goodness, they were just

751
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: beaming with pride for him. And you know, a football

752
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: family like that, you could imagine when he had the

753
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: game taken away from him, how devastating that was. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

754
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Those who but that was that was probably the start

755
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: of the probably the start of the dynasty down there.

756
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: You could associate perkins Um, you know, with that and

757
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: the and the Cowboys. Hey, listen on a couple of

758
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: other things, Lance talking about progress and Polly to talking

759
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: about progress on this team from one year of the next.

760
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: For me, the real measurement is going to be you know,

761
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: how we do Lance, You'll like this. How are we

762
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: doing the division? I mean, are we getting any closer

763
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, the Eagles and the Redskins. I ran,

764
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: I ran some numbers. I just had some numbers shotted

765
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: down since I was on hold. I was able to

766
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: find them sixteen and twenty six in the last seven years,

767
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: one in five each of the last two years. I mean,

768
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: we got to start catching those teams and that that

769
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: to me, is going to be the real progress. And

770
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: of course it starts on that first night or that

771
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: first day, uh, you know, on September the eighth, and

772
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope we're getting closer. I hope we're

773
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: getting closer. I don't you just think about those other

774
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: three teams? Uh, you know, I think they just overlook us.

775
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they think they're worried about us at all, Land,

776
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one question before you go any further. Sure,

777
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: what's the one common thread throughout the entire statistical analysis

778
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: that you just threw at us? Um, there's one common

779
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: To help me with that, Paul, it's it's it's it's

780
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: really it's really simple. The Giant's offensive line during that

781
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: entire time has always been the weaker link against those

782
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: opponents in every one of those situations. Yeah, there you go.

783
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: And you know, Paul, I'll give you in last credit

784
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: and on too, because I know you've talked about how

785
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: you thought this was the best. Now that we've got

786
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: the best offensive line contention that we've had since the

787
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: playoff year, and that's that's the seven years, eight years

788
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Well, if forget the playoff year

789
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: against Green Bay, but but since two thousand eleven, this, this,

790
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: on paper, is the best offensive line the Giants have

791
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: had since then, and if they play to their full potential,

792
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 1: len it could be better than even before two eleven,

793
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: because you remember David Boss was the center and then

794
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Booth had of coming to play because Boss was hurt.

795
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, this line could be better than that line. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey,

796
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: can I talk about heights and waits for a second.

797
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: What do you got, um? Do they weigh these guys

798
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: on the first day? I mean, where are the official

799
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: weights and heights? Are we still using combined numbers? Are

800
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: we going off college programs? I mean what? And let

801
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: me let me just give you an example. Paul, you

802
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you you thought Pully the center was

803
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: looking a little bigger, and I think Lance referenced Evan

804
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: Brown looking a little you know, they also center looking

805
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: a little bigger. What does that mean? I mean, how

806
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: many pounds does it? Can you measure it in pounds?

807
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Probably not in height? I think that pretty well. I

808
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's going to grow They're gonna say rights

809
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: in college? But what are their official other official weights

810
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: for example roster ahead? Well, I mean usually at the

811
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: beginning of every year. They tend to update that information.

812
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think on a daily basis,

813
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: if that's what I'm sorry. I didn't mean daily basis, Lance.

814
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I just thought, is there we can go by for

815
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: for example, if you go to the website and you

816
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: look at the roster, it shows it shows Baker. Uh,

817
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: it shows Baker. It's a hundred and eighty pounds now,

818
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's combined one was I've seen one ninety

819
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: two during the season. And here's what I know you think.

820
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: What I have here is the official roster that the

821
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Giants put out, and the heights and weights are the

822
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: heights and weights that the medical staff and the trainers

823
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: have taken to the players once they get here at

824
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the spring. Polly's listed at three oh

825
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: eight right now, which is what the website has to Okay,

826
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and I know the guys who were

827
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: on the website do their best to keep track of

828
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: everything and when the changes are made. Some of them do, right,

829
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: let's be truthful, some of them do. But anyway, you know,

830
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: they do their best to make sure that they update

831
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: it and and try to be as accurate as they

832
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: can with all that stuff. I mean obviously, um, but

833
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, when when I talk about

834
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: the heights and the weights, I either go off the

835
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: combined lists that are that are onto the web that

836
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: are available, or what's here on this official roster that

837
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: the Giants put out. Now, I believe when Polly got here.

838
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Last year he was just about three hundred pounds. They're

839
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: listing them at three oh eight on the roster right now.

840
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that how Hunter, the offensive

841
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: line coach, told me he put on approximately ten. I

842
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: talked to Spencer. He agreed with that assessment. And sometimes

843
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: Len also, please understand this, a guy can look with

844
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: his physique up top, especially or even in the thighs,

845
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: he could look wider and thicker because he's more defined

846
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: and he and that doesn't necessarily reflect in the weight,

847
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: right what are you trying to fitment? That's good news

848
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: on Pulley. I do think he didn't need to add

849
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: a little more weight. Let me now, when when you

850
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: say the roster, are you talking about the one that's

851
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: on the website Paul, I mean I'm talking about in

852
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: front you here. I don't can you watch us. I

853
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: don't know if you have a saw. But the numbers

854
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: lend the numbers that palled throughout also match what the

855
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: website has, because I have the website in front of me,

856
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: so I mean those numbers are pretty much accu Yeah,

857
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm not arguing. I'm just looking for what

858
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: would be the best representation of heights and weights on

859
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the roster today? What should I look at the website? Yeah,

860
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I would look at the website. I think the website

861
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: is on point. I was checking as Paul was reading

862
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: out those numbers. But but I will tell you this line.

863
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do and you're trying to

864
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: fit these guys for a tuxedo here, I mean, relax,

865
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna eat it. They're gonna eat a few more

866
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: meals before the season. Didn't need more weight. I think

867
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: it's his advantage to bulk up because let's face it,

868
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: p O is a bigger box car frame than he is.

869
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: And and if Polly wants to take that job, the

870
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: one thing that he would have to overcome, if you will,

871
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: is the fact that Po has that bigger, wider frame.

872
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: So Pulley took that heart, and during the off season

873
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: he tried to add muscle up top so that would happen.

874
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: But and and Lance, just one other point. If you

875
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: still have that roster in front of you, it's Baker

876
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: listed at one. I mean, I mean we knew he

877
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: would slightly undersized, but one. I mean we talked about

878
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: undersized and being you know, all the time. I don't

879
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: know what you're I don't know what you get that Baker.

880
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: Baker is one three on the official roster. Okay, okay,

881
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: he's read it. I probably misread it. I thought I

882
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: saw one eighty and was shocked because his combined weight

883
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: was a little higher than that when one on one

884
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: other player and that's Bill. Um. I'm glad he's on

885
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: the field. I think he's going to be a terrific player.

886
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: I just wish he'd put if he's really sitting at

887
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: one seventy seven, I wish he'd put. You know, he

888
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: got to get well well. Let len I'm not saying

889
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: that heights and weights are not important, but my point

890
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: is there's guys they work out during the combine and

891
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: then they go on a different diet and they work

892
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: out differently before they come to camp. I've seen it

893
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: like Dexter Lawrence, for example, was even talking about how,

894
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to alter his weight a little

895
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: bit here or there. Bal is one eighty nine. I

896
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: don't know where the numbers the website roster. I'm not

897
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Bill. He's one eight nine on

898
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: the official roster that the team hands out. This is

899
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: the official roster nine. Okay, I'm you know, I'm starting

900
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: to nick pick a little, but my question was not

901
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: that list that you've got. I don't think it. It

902
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: matches the roster page, and I'll go check. I'll go

903
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: check as soon as we get off the Well, listen,

904
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: all right, I'm sorry I blocked you down, but well,

905
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I'll call later and wait. Thanks for the guys on

906
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: on on the web, on the website of what we

907
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: do here do their best to manually update these things.

908
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. The roster sheet that we have that comes,

909
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, filters down from the front office. That's manually

910
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: put in, okay, and then from there the guys who

911
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: on the website have to manually type everything in, so

912
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's possible that something gets lost in translation

913
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: or they will slowed updated, especially during the off season. Relax, len, Okay,

914
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that's the official weight. It's okay. Well, but the other

915
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: thing is you just don't know exactly where they're gonna

916
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: be when they come back from the month for training

917
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: camps starts. So we're getting caught up in heights and

918
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: weights now, and then all of a sudden, a guy

919
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: comes back from working out on his own for a moment, though,

920
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: I guarantee your when we come back for training camp,

921
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: Lance will not be six four. No, I can guarantee

922
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you that that's a safe assumption. I may put on

923
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: another body, but I'm not gonna necessarily grow. I think

924
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: that we've been through that maturity process. Unfortunately, all hope

925
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: is lost in regard to that. With that being said,

926
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: it is now time for us to get to an

927
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: update in terms of Mike Remers and what he'll bring

928
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: to the team. Paul the Tino earlier today had an

929
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with Tim Yattter, the editor of Vikings Update. Okay,

930
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: Sam Well, I guess the first question you gotta ask

931
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: you about Mike Remers is this is a guy who

932
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: last season, at the very end of the year, was

933
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: dealing with a back injury, and that's really, from what

934
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: we understand, the primary reason why the Vikings wound up

935
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: trying to redo his deal and ultimately set him free.

936
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: What is your perception in terms of what happened and

937
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: how he's able to deal with this kind of thing? Well, yeah,

938
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean backs are always concerning because I think that's

939
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing that can linger around um,

940
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, whether in the background or the foreground for

941
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: a player's career, especially an offensive line where you're consistently

942
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: straining that thing. Um. But I believe that more of

943
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: the issue with the Vikings had to do with a

944
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: new offensive system that they were bringing in and uh

945
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: last year in two thousand seventeen, Ramers went from right

946
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: tackle two thousand eighteen moved inside to right guard. Brian

947
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: O'Neill kind of won the the right tackle spot, and

948
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: with the new scheme coming in this year, they were

949
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: looking for really athletic offensive lineman. And you know, I

950
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: think if Ramers would have been willing to take a

951
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: lesser deal, he would have he would have been able

952
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: to stick around and compete for for a job in

953
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: the interior year. But I do think that they wanted

954
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: somebody that was a little more athletic. I see Remers

955
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: as a guy who really his best position, in my opinion,

956
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: is right tackle. I think that's where he flourished during

957
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: his career, although he's been kind of all over the place.

958
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played right tackle, left tackle, right guard.

959
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: So I think if he can find a spot at

960
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: right tackle, UM, that sort of consistency will help him. Well,

961
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: you mentioned right tackle was his best spot. When he

962
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: came into Minnesota back in two thousand seventeen, he had

963
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: given up a sack in each of the first three games,

964
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: then went seven in a row without allowing a sack.

965
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: Could you talk about what he brought to that Vikings

966
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: offensive line when he came in, because, as we all know,

967
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: that team went deep into the playoffs, albeit at the

968
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: end of the season he missed a bunch of games

969
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: because of that that problem. Yeah, and and also remember that,

970
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, in that season they transitioned to case Keenum,

971
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: who has a lot of mobility at quarterback, and so

972
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that helped out the offensive line.

973
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: It you know, it wasn't a great offensive line, especially

974
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: in past protection, and I think having Keenum's mobility back

975
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: there helped them. The ability to scramble, get out of

976
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: the pocket, and move around a bit helped Um. But

977
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just think that that Ramer's um, you know,

978
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: when he goes up against some of the bigger defensive

979
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: tackles when he's playing guard, I think that hurts him

980
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: a bit. Um When he's out at right tackle, I

981
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: I think that that allows him to kind of Okay,

982
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: here's the guy I've got, and he can match some

983
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: of the power of defensive end. If he runs up

984
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: against quicker defensive ends, that could be a problem. But um,

985
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's always going to be a guy.

986
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: If he's that right tackle, he can be a a solid,

987
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: decent starter. I don't think you're ever going to get

988
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl level type out of him, but I

989
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: think he's a you know, a worthy candidate to compete

990
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: for a starting Uh. Well, I tell people when I

991
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: looked at some of the cut ups on Rammers that

992
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: to me, he's not the most athletic and he's not

993
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: the strongest things that you've already alluded to. But what

994
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I call him as a scrapper because it may not

995
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: be pretty, it may wind up being ugly, but most

996
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: of the time he's going to keep the defender away

997
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: from the ball carrier, whether it be the running back

998
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: or the quarterback, and ultimately, efficiency is what you want

999
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: in a right tackle. Yeah. I mean, he can get

1000
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: out of position, but he will do everything he in

1001
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: his power to to get back and at least, you know,

1002
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: throw a defensive end deep past the quarterback at the

1003
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks where he should be and able to step up

1004
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: in the pocket. He can handle that. I think scrapper

1005
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: is really a good way to put it, because I mean,

1006
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: if you talk to him off the field, he's he's

1007
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: very quiet, doesn't say a whole lot, you know, willing

1008
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: to talk. But uh, you know, he's not a hyper

1009
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: guy by any means off the field, but you know,

1010
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: on the field, he's a he's a high effort guy,

1011
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: even if he's not a high talent guy. I guess

1012
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: it's a good way to put it. Jimmy Ottoo Vikings

1013
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: update joining us here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Jim,

1014
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: would you describe him as more efficient as a pass

1015
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: blocker or as a one blocker? I looked at at

1016
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: some of the numbers of the Vikings rushing the football

1017
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, specifically when he was

1018
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: at right tackle. It didn't look like they ran behind

1019
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: him very much. Was that because of the scheme, because

1020
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: of the design of what they were doing, or because

1021
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: quite honestly, maybe they didn't feel like that was the

1022
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: best asset of of what he brings to the table. Yeah. Well,

1023
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look last year when he was at at

1024
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: right guard, one of the big issues. No. Number One,

1025
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: I think he doesn't have the power to handle bigger

1026
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, as I said, But also when when they

1027
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: had John D. Philippo as their offensive coordinator for the

1028
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: first thirteen games last year, they were so heavily towards

1029
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: the passing game, and I think it really put the

1030
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in a in a bad spot where defensive

1031
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: linemen linebackers knew that, you know, of the time here

1032
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: they are going to be throwing, and I just don't

1033
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: think that's the way to go. I think you need

1034
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: a little bit better balanced. Despite you know, everybody's saying, hey,

1035
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: the the NFL is more of a passing game. Well,

1036
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean there when you've got Sakon Barkley, I think

1037
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: that that's really going to help out a lot of

1038
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: these offensive lineman. I mean, you you want to be

1039
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: able to run the ball and keep the defense off balance.

1040
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: So I don't think that where they ran the ball

1041
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: or how much they ran the ball had much to

1042
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: do with Mike Remmers as a player. I think it

1043
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: had to do with different philosophies between different offensive coordinator

1044
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: And that's why we asked the question because stats don't

1045
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: always tell the true story for sure. Let me ask

1046
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: you this, what kind of locker room guy is he?

1047
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: We know that Pat Shermer, the head coach here, who,

1048
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: of course you know as a former offensive coordinate there

1049
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: with Minnesota. Uh, we know that the Giants are very

1050
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: concerned about character guys and bringing the right mix of

1051
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: guys into the clubhouse. Dave Gentleman of course also new

1052
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: members from his days in Carolina. What what does he

1053
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: bring to the table that way with the intangibles? Yeah,

1054
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean to me, he's a very quiet, workman like guy.

1055
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: He's just gonna put his head down work, not say

1056
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot. Um. You know, he's not, by any

1057
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: stretch of imagination, a trash talker. I don't think he's

1058
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: necessarily an introvert. But he's one of these guys that, um,

1059
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: he's not going to really talk unless you know, you

1060
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: go talk to him. And I think that probably holds

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00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: true in meeting rooms among the different offensive lineman. I

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00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that that he's going to be a guy

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00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: that steps up as a big vocal leader of the

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00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: offensive line, but I think he can be a guy that, uh,

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00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna accept the instruction He's gonna take

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00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: what what Pat Schermer and the offensive scheme want to

1067
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: get done and work at it. Uh. He, to me

1068
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: is a pretty typical offensive lineman, head down work, don't

1069
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: say a whole lot. You know that that's really kind

1070
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: of the m O with a lot of offensive linemen, well,

1071
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: blue collar guy, which, as you know, when the Giants

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00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: were in their heyday, they had those kinds of guys

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and the trenches. Which is why

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00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: I think they're really looking forward to have an employe

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00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: here because it gets back to the old philosophy of

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00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: how Giants football used to be played. Uh. Let me

1077
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: ask you this. Uh Ramers had a bit of a

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00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: back problem at the end of two thousand seventeen. He

1079
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: missed a handful of games, but then last year until

1080
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: the very end of the season, it did not flare

1081
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: up again. Did you get the opinion or the the

1082
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: information that this was a chronic problem or is it

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: something that just went away and came back. What was

1084
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: your understanding as to how that happened and how do

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00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: you think it affected him during the eighteen season when

1086
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: he also, as you said, change positions and went to guard,

1087
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: which was not really where he suited to play. Yeah,

1088
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, I I think the NFL in general is

1089
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: very uh guarded when it comes to injuries, and I

1090
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily notice anything that said, Okay, you know if

1091
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: he's having a bad game or a bad season that

1092
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: the back had a lot to do with it. I

1093
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: think part of it was he was inside at guards

1094
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: last year and that's not necessarily his best position. Um.

1095
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: But as I said, with with back injuries, a lot

1096
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: of times it's it's more about just managing and getting

1097
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: through the pain. And I think, you know, an NFL

1098
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are that type where they want to play

1099
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: through as much pain as they can. I don't necessarily

1100
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: know that it's it's going to be a huge hindrance,

1101
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's probably going to be something

1102
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: that he deals with over the next several years. Well.

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00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: Of course, he did have a procedure at the end

1104
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: of the season and and I had to rehab for

1105
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: a while before the Giants were actually willing to put

1106
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: pen to paper. Uh, did you find it all that

1107
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: he was durable during the two years in Minnesota in

1108
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: that when he wasn't sidelined and ruled out because of injury,

1109
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: that he was able to practice during the week. We

1110
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: hear all the time about veterans who are quote managed

1111
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: during the week, miss miss practice time, and then save

1112
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: all the reps for the games on the weekend. Is

1113
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: he has he been one of those guys. No, he

1114
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: I would say, he's a guy that is is almost

1115
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: always at practice. Now, you know, you don't always know

1116
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: how much they do during practice that if they are

1117
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: given some time off. But he was, you know, it's

1118
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: he was going to play. He was a guy that

1119
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: was in there at practice. He wasn't one of these

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00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, I'm not gonna practice until Friday and

1121
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I'm in there and we're

1122
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna play on Sunday. He you know, he was. He

1123
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: was one of those where, yeah, he would go to

1124
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: the training room get things taken care of, but he

1125
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: was at practice with him through it. Alright, final question

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00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: about him, and it kind of relates to what I

1127
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: was going to finish up with head coach Pat Shermer,

1128
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: who of course had spent time in Minnesota. How much

1129
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: do you think that draw and that attraction drew him

1130
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: to the Giants when what we heard after he asked

1131
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: for his release from Minnesota. He had come right to

1132
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: the Giants within a day or two for that visit

1133
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: and did not visit anybody else. Do you suspect that

1134
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: was the biggest reason why he's here? Absolutely? I mean

1135
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I think he I think he played some of his

1136
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: the best ball of his career when he was at

1137
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: right tackle, and under Pat Schrmer system, I think number one,

1138
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: the position is best for him. Number Two, I think

1139
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: that Pat Shermer has a good understanding of you need

1140
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: to to set players up with your scheme to enhance

1141
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: their abilities and to have a good balanced attack is

1142
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: going to help. And I absolutely think that Lemurs appreciated

1143
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: what what Pat Shermer did, not only from a scheme standpoint,

1144
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: but from a people management position. I think he's very

1145
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: good at just relating to his players, a down to

1146
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: earth guy, and I think that resonates really well with

1147
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: offensive linemen especially well. That leads me to a Pat

1148
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: Shermer question, and we'll we'll leave the Memor's chapter to

1149
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: bed right now. Pat Shermer now has a new quarterback

1150
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: in Daniel Jones, first round pick, coming in here to

1151
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: work under Eli Manning for at least the two thousand

1152
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: nineteen season. Pat's known as a quarterback gurup. People have

1153
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: said all around the league, his reputation is about getting

1154
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: the best out of a quarterback. He did it with

1155
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: Case Keenum for sure. What makes him the right guy

1156
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: to take the Giants into that next generation of quarterback

1157
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: whenever it is that Daniel Jones takes the ball under center. Well,

1158
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that he has an understanding of

1159
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: whatever talent you may have worked the scheme towards that

1160
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: talent um. You know, if it's if it's Sam Brantford

1161
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: back uh there, it's a completely different player than what

1162
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: Case Keenum brings. And what we saw when they moved

1163
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: to Keenum was their their offense was different. He moved

1164
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: him around, he got him rolling outside the pocket, trying

1165
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: to use him on the run a little bit more.

1166
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: And you know, he was fairly well hamstrung with the

1167
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: offensive line and did the best he could with with

1168
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: that and and that scheme, and I think he maximized

1169
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: what Case Keenum brought. I mean, look at I believe

1170
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: that Pat Rumer had a lot to do with Case

1171
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: Keenum getting a big contract after Minnesota because of how

1172
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Keenham played in two thousand seventeen, and so I I

1173
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: do think that it's part of EXAs and I was

1174
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: an understanding matching talent to the scheme. But I view

1175
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: Pat Humer as a really good people person, down to

1176
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: earth guy. I mean, I look, I saw him at

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: the combine. We both flew into the Indianapolis Airport at

1178
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: the same time. We're waiting for an uber. Hat Schirmer's out,

1179
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, waiting in the uber line, and I asking

1180
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: complete strangers if they want to get in his uber

1181
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: and take a ride, you know, down downtown to the hotel.

1182
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the type of guy. You're right down

1183
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: to earth. He doesn't think of himself as like, oh,

1184
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm this, you know, I'm this NFL head coach. Everybody

1185
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: should bow down to me. Now he's he's uh, he's

1186
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: about as down to earth. Yeah, no, no question about it.

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01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: You you spelled it out perfectly. Tim Yoato, the editor

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Speaker 1: of Vikings Update. We thank you so much for your

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: time today. Appreciate it. We'll see you down the road. Okay,

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Speaker 1: sounds good thing alright, folks, that'll do it for this

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