1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest. J Plowski is with us. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Jay is principal and founder at TPW Advisory. He joins 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: from here in New York City via the telephone. A J. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Uh, talk to me a 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: little bit about the way you understand the market between 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: now and the end of the year. I mean, things 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: are holding up remarkably well. A lot of folks are 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: very much concerned about the headwinds that the American economy 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: is going to be facing in the first quarter of 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, I know, I'm happy to do that. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: We actually have a different point of view. We've been 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: talking for months about an earnings bridge stabilizing markets over 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: the course of time as inflation starts to moderate, and 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: that's really been the driver we see for risk assets 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: doing pretty well over the last couple of months. Looking 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: in the twenty three where of the view that stability 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: is ahead and that the big three items that we've 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: been focused on since the summer, we call them the 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: three keys. First, the pates of the US and place 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: ins declined, the path of European energy prices, and the 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: ability of China to move off of zero COVID. All 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: of those things which have been headwinds for two risk 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: assid wise are turning into tail winds, we believe, and 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: most importantly, uh, we see the dollar as the US 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: dollar as the biggest loser in a world of gradual stability. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack the Jay, I just want 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: to start with your remarks on inflation. Do you feel 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: that inflation has peaked in the U S or WI 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: Do you place the risk that this is a head 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: fake and we get another leg higher out of nowhere? Yeah? No, 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that that game has been played, Paul, And 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: you know we've we've been wrong in expecting inflation have 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: peaked earlier. UM. But I think you know the idea 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: of it coming out of nowhere and going up higher again, 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: I think is is one's really hard pressed to identify 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: where that might come from. Um, if you look at 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: supply chains back to normal, if you look at rents 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: rolling over, used car prices, collapsing energy prices down, UM, 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: it's really hard to identify that wage is stable. You 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: can't even get wage price firals in Germany where inflation 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: is doubled that in the US. They just had their 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: big union um deal come through and it was quite 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: benign from a wage price spiral fear, so where we 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: think inflation is going to continue to decline, it's going 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: to be slow, but the FED market is going to 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: follow the FED is gonna follow the data, and markets 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: are going to follow the FED. And that's uh, that's 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: for the benefit of risk asset prices into the detriment 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: of the dollar, which has been boosted by the amount 50 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: of ray heights that the US has done relative to 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. And I just want to 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: into a point you are making earlier about the likely 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: trajectory of the US dollar. We're hearing some rather davish 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: woods coming out of the latest round of FED speakers. 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: How much longer do you think this tightening cycle has 56 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: got to run now? And what's your outlook for the 57 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: U s dollar hitting into three Well, I think that's 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: really uh, that's really it, Paul, is that you know, 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: markets have priced in the FED to a terminal rate 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: of five and five and a quarter and another hundred 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: basis points or so of great heights through the first quarter, 62 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: and so that's all priced into the market. I think 63 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the markets already appreciated that. The dollars already appreciated that equities, 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: et cetera. And so as we go forward, the potential 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: is for rates to start to decline and that the 66 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: market front runs the FED a little bit. We've already 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: seen that in the dollar has reacted accordingly at peak 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: two months ago in late September one fourteen on the 69 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: d X Y and today it's one oh seven and change. 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: And you know that it's so extended versus uh certainly 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the d M f FX world overvalued versus the Euro 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: or the end, there's there's significant room for the door. 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: It's to weekend as we go into and through. But 74 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: if you look at what's happening in Europe, we had 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: a guest last hour saying that she believes that the 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: American investors have really underestimated the degree to which Europe 77 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: could be in very very dire straits economically, and not 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: just on the continent, but the UK as well. We're 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: talking earlier on this program about COVID curbs in China, continuing, 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: it's still not clear where this is, how this story 81 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: will play out on the mainland, and so if there 82 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: is a haven bid, could that not put a floor 83 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: under the U S currency? In spite of everything that 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: you're saying with respective Fed policy. Sure, I mean you 85 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: know that it's not going to go I'm not saying 86 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: it's going to go one way for you. I mean 87 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: that went from one fourteen the one oh six. Now 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: it's found a little bit. I would actually turn it 89 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: around and say, you know the fact that China UM 90 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: announces that it's going to kind of ease away from zero, 91 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: COVID dot B is strict, and then you get a 92 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: bunch of cases, um in the market's only down, but 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: yesterday last night less than one. That tells you that 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: the markets already, you know, understands fully that it's not 95 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: going to be a one way a one way street. 96 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: If that had happened three or six months ago, I 97 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: would have thought China would be down, you know, three 98 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: to five all the selling has been done. And in 99 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: the case of Europe, I'm not sure you know what 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: your guest was looking at. But um, I think you 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: have a very cheap currency. You have energy prices which 102 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: are behaving much better than expected. European storage is full, 103 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: well above where it is historically at this time of year. UM, 104 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: you have record vote unemployment, you have significant fiscal support, 105 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: much better than the fiscal situation United States, and again 106 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Europe is priced roughly as cheap as it's been versus 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: the US equity market in the last twenty five years. 108 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: So you view this as a buying opportunity. Yeah, I 109 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: think people should be adding. We've been adding more to 110 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: e M over the last couple of months. We've become 111 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: more constructive on emerging markets, probably with some specific markets 112 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: that we like, which include China in part because of 113 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: what we just talked about, UH, includes Brazil, include Southeast Asia. 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: We also like emerging market local currency debt, again on 115 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: the view that the dollars going to all over. We 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: like Asian high yield because we think the property market 117 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: in China, not to put a punt on it, but 118 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the flip there's been a floor placed under the property 119 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: market by the Chinese authorities. And so when we look 120 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: around the world, um, and we believe that the dollar 121 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: holds the key. If that happens, there's lots of opportunities 122 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: around the world, alright. Pulaski, their principal and founder a 123 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: TPW Advisory