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Speaker 1: to dominate because already has twelve kids, so he needs

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Speaker 1: the cash because be an expensive endeavor. I think he's

427
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Speaker 1: got his current girlfriend's pregnant right now. Maybe it's twelves

428
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Speaker 1: on the way, but I just think he's the In

429
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Speaker 1: my opinion, he's one of the best players I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen any position. So we can argue whether he should

431
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Speaker 1: be the number one overall player in the top one hundred.

432
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Obviously quarterbacks are more important, but just pound for pound,

433
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Speaker 1: if position didn't matter, if they were all equal, if

434
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Speaker 1: it's like the NBA positionless sport, you would say he's

435
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: as good as any. He's as good as any, and

436
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: his dominance in these last couple of years, I mean,

437
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Speaker 1: can you imagine the Dolphins if they weren't able to

438
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Speaker 1: trade for him. So I think it has to do

439
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: just he's just a complete player who has elite skills,

440
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: which really has separated him. The NFL is generally quick

441
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: to make significant rule changes that impact the game. Some

442
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: examples moving the extra point back. Now the new kickoff rule.

443
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Speaker 1: If you have a crystal ball, what do you see

444
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: being a new rule change the next five to ten years.

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Speaker 1: Could you see fumbling out of the end zone being

446
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Speaker 1: a touchback for the other team being taken away? Seems

447
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: like it disincentivized players from reaching for the pylons. I'll

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Speaker 1: be completely honest that one's never bothered me. Like a

449
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: lot of things in life, there are risks and there

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Speaker 1: are rewards, and usually the risky or something is obviously

451
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Speaker 1: the higher reward. That is, I think it works this way,

452
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: like in the stock market. You can short of stock

453
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Speaker 1: and it can be very lucrative if you hit, but

454
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: if you miss, you can get yourself in trouble. You

455
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: can take a margin loan. You better hope everything goes

456
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Speaker 1: your way, right. I know a lot of people over

457
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: the years have taken these helocks, right, these loans from

458
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Speaker 1: the equity in your home. But I hope everything's going

459
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: well because that can backfire on you quick. Right. Fumbles

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Speaker 1: are random. I would say no one is ever trying

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Speaker 1: to fumble, But when you reach for the pylon, it's

462
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Speaker 1: an incredible reward If you make it and get a touchdown.

463
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Speaker 1: But if you don't like that one, I am not

464
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Speaker 1: on the side of people freaking out. I'm just not

465
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Speaker 1: because I think that there should be a massive penalty

466
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Speaker 1: if you fumble that bad boy through the end zone. Now,

467
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Speaker 1: if you fumble it and it bounces, I understand that

468
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Speaker 1: one kind of a freaky thing a couple of yards out,

469
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Speaker 1: But most of them happen with guys reaching and it

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Speaker 1: getting hit out of their hands. I like, I think

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Speaker 1: it adds a huge drama element to kind of a

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Speaker 1: goal line play. Hey, John, congrats on the engagement. With

473
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Speaker 1: football season coming up, how do you balance football and

474
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: your love life? Does your fiance ever get jealous of football?

475
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: If so, how do you mitigate that? Uh? I guess

476
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Speaker 1: the best way to overall sum up what I do

477
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: and what I've been doing my entire adult life work

478
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: in football and then essentially talking about it for the

479
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: last decade plus is this was never a passion project

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Speaker 1: for me. You know, a lot of people, for example,

481
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: have podcasts now and they work a regular job and

482
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: more props to you, like that wasn't even an option

483
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: ten years ago. So it's cool that exists. But I've

484
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: never had a regular job. That was never an option

485
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Speaker 1: for me. So I'm obviously passionate about football and like this,

486
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Speaker 1: but this is how I pay the bills. And I

487
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: think this not being ever being a passion project for me,

488
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Speaker 1: this being my life. It's it took a while, but

489
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Speaker 1: like this, this is pretty lucrative for me and her

490
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: and our lives. So like, I think part of it

491
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Speaker 1: is what comes with it. Obviously the credibility of being

492
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Speaker 1: with Colin, who she sees on television and has met.

493
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Speaker 1: So it's just she just kind of gets it. I mean,

494
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Speaker 1: this is this is what you're married into, this is life.

495
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: And she likes football. She's a big forty nine er fan,

496
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: so that probably helps. I think golf drives her a

497
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: lot crazier than football, which are the two things that

498
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: I watched the most, just because it's always on. She

499
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: doesn't understand why there's just a golf tournament every week.

500
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's just a year long season. They

501
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: just play all the time. And I tried to explain

502
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: to her about the majors being like super Bowls, but

503
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: she's like, why would there be four super Bowls? Or

504
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: football is a lot easier to consume. Now, we don't

505
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: lead the craziest life. It's not like instead of you know,

506
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Thursday night football I gotta watch. It's not like we'd

507
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Speaker 1: be you know, maybe if we were going to go

508
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Speaker 1: to dinner maybe and staid we go Friday night or

509
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. I guess, but you you just balance. I

510
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's like it's it's really like any job,

511
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: but there are benefits. Right as of right now, we

512
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Speaker 1: don't have any kids, so I haven't needed to get

513
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Speaker 1: an office outside of the house for my own sanity,

514
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm gonna need to eventually. But she's

515
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Speaker 1: in real estate, so we see each other all the time.

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00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, we work in the same spot essentially, So

517
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: it's really not that complicated. And if someone didn't understand,

518
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Speaker 1: I guess the way my life is because it's different

519
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Speaker 1: than more of a normal job in the sense of, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sunday's a workday, but Sundays are a workday

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. You know, there's a lot

522
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Speaker 1: of people that own businesses that work seven days a week.

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Speaker 1: And I when I was a kid, my dad was

524
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Speaker 1: a farmer. My friend's grandparents own a construction company and

525
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I worked on the ranch and I worked on construction.

526
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: Like that's hard work. Like I think, I'm very lucky

527
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Speaker 1: that this worked out the way it did. And yeah,

528
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Speaker 1: I've benefited from sticking with it. But I don't even

529
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Speaker 1: think you need to buy I'm not a huge ballot sky.

530
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm just a live life guy. Now, obviously, once you

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Speaker 1: get engaged or married or anyone listening to this in relationships, no,

532
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: it takes effort and you have to One thing I've

533
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: learned is just because we both work from home and

534
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: see each other all the time doesn't necessarily mean it's

535
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: quality time. It's like I see twenty four seven three

536
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Speaker 1: sixty five sided, like when we go to the gym

537
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: or I play golf, or you go do something. But

538
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: obviously you just you know, he just grow as a

539
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: human being. Shouldn't be very It's not very difficult. That's

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Speaker 1: what I would say, which is probably why I'm marrying

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Speaker 1: her because this is this is my life and it's

542
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: not going to change. And yeah, she likes it. A

543
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: long time listener, great to see your success. I know

544
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you're not big on discussing the Raiders. People think I'm

545
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: just a Raider hater. I'm not. If they were good,

546
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: I'd be the first to acknowledge it. They just haven't

547
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: been good for all of my adult life. And I'm

548
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: forty or thirty nine, about to be four in a

549
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: couple months. But it's not one thing. I think Raiders fans,

550
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: which is crazy to me, drives me nuts to always

551
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: think like you just hate us, Like all the bad

552
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: teams get talked about negatively, and when you're bad, it's

553
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: usually not sunshine and rainbows, just like on the flip side,

554
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: when you're good, people acknowledge it. And you've just always

555
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: been bad for a long period since the Internet era. Basically,

556
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: you've been terrible and just been irrelevant, and that's your problem.

557
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: It's not me. It's not a me problem. It's a

558
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: franchise problem. It's not your fault, like you're just a fan.

559
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: But the national media seems to downplay the Raiders potential

560
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: this year, with many predicting fewer than six wins. However,

561
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: beat writers close to the team believe they could be

562
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: a sleeper playoff contender. Know this, if you are a

563
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: beat writer, you do like you spend a lot of

564
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: time around the team, so obviously, so two things. One

565
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you can have a jaded view of the operation,

566
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and two, you kind of are dependent on the team

567
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: in the sense of like you need those sources in

568
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: that operation, like that's your job, that's your livelihood. So

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Speaker 1: it is a tough balance to do. They have good players.

570
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Max Crosby and DeVante are stars. Colt Miller,

571
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: who I think has been banged up this preseason, is

572
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: a really, really good player. They have hot now. They

573
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: drafted Tyree Wilson last year, who might be awful. They

574
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: signed Wilkins stut but Gardner Minshew's your quarterback, and everyone says, like,

575
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: how are you just discounting the Raiders. He almost helped

576
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: the Colts won the Colts Division last year was a

577
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: lot easier than this two. The Colts head coach was

578
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: also their play caller, who many around the league, myself included,

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00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: and most fans with a brain go, yeah, this guy's

580
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: probably a star. Your coach is a guy who I

581
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: mean was playing not that long ago, who's an impressive leader,

582
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the offense, nothing, So it's like,

583
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: it's not like your head coach can impact the quarterback.

584
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Beside raw Ross speeches, which he's clearly good at like,

585
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to diminish like Antonio Pierce's impressive leader.

586
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: Do I think he's gonna be a great head coach.

587
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Speaker 1: I think it's impossible when you quarterback situation is what

588
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: it is. So there's a long question. But obviously Josh

589
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: was a complete failure, which I thought was the right move,

590
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: and I'll give Mark Davis a lot of credit. Is

591
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: unlike Dean Spanos that had to get so embarrassed and

592
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Harbaugh fell into his lap in the sense of like

593
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: he was ready to leave and it was easy. Now

594
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: ultimately he landed him, So you get credit. Mark Davis

595
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: has been swinging after big fish for a while. He

596
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: gave John Gruden one hundred million dollars. Didn't work out,

597
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: but you get credit for trying. If the Chargers would

598
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: have been aggressive with some of these coaches over the years,

599
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't have found themselves in this situation. Josh

600
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: I just second time as a charm. It turns out no,

601
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: he's just not meant to be a head coach, clearly.

602
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: So what is the national media and podcasters like yourself missing?

603
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: To me, it's just not very complicated. The quarterback situation,

604
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: and I think your coaching situation is a major, major

605
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: question mark of just how that guy can impact the

606
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: quarterback position. If you tell me you got Aidan O'Connell

607
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: and Gardner Minshew, the combination of those guys, whoever ends

608
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: up winning the job, whoever, however that ebbs and flows

609
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: throughout the season, I'm not going to bet on you.

610
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm just not. Unless your defense had Lawrence Taylor, Max Crosby,

611
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, Ray Lewis'll be like, well, maybe they can

612
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: just win nine ten games on defense alone, because the

613
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: quarterback position is so emphasized in this modern day game.

614
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: So I think it's just that if you told me

615
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Speaker 1: you had Kirk Cousins or Michael Pennox, I'd be like, yeah,

616
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Speaker 1: they could win a they could make a wild card,

617
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: for sure, I would say that. But when that's your

618
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Speaker 1: quarterback room, it's just impossible to say that. It really is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't mean it's not possible, but I

620
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Speaker 1: think anyone predicting them to be a wild card contender,

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Speaker 1: I think just it feels extreme to me. It does

622
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: with who you got behind center question for the bag.

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Speaker 1: I know there's always talks and comparisons between Mahomes and

624
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady as Mahomes continues to win and stack up

625
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: the accolades. But if the Chiefs are realistically win it

626
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: all this season and complete a three peet, how close

627
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: do you believe he really is to Tom? Mahomes would

628
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: have four Super Bowls in seven seasons as a starter,

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Speaker 1: along with four Super Bowl MVPs and two regular season MVPs.

630
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Speaker 1: I think Tom's trump card that number seven is so big.

631
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: It's like it's really hard to chase Jordan when he's

632
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: got the six. You know, Curry's got the four, Lebron's

633
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: got the three and a half. Get I give the

634
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: bubble a point five, But like, ultimately, if my number

635
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: is bigger than yours, it's and dramatically, but you win

636
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: three in a row, it would be the greatest accomplishment

637
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: in the history of the league for Andy and Mahomes

638
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: because it's never been done. It's never been done. Just

639
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: like Tom wu was, say, no one has name me

640
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: a quarterback who has six Super Bowls, let alone seven.

641
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Montana was widely considered the goat forever because he had four.

642
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we consider l Way and Manning and these

643
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: guys like top five quarterbacks and they got two. Obviously,

644
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: it's a team game and you're very dependent as a

645
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: quarterback on your coach slash play caller and your general

646
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: manager of building a good team. And he's benefited greatly

647
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: from that, but obviously so did Tom with Bill. So

648
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: I I think the hard thing ever to do is

649
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: like a quate mid career to another guy. I mean,

650
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: we do that with just great players, like is this

651
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: the greatest player we've ever seen? Listen, I'm a big

652
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: golf guy. People say about Tiger Woods. Because of Tiger

653
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Woods's body, He's never gonna have more majors than Jack Nicholas.

654
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: It's never going to happen. Just like Lebron James at

655
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: forty years old, it feels impossible for him ever get

656
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: to six championships, especially with the you know, the Lakers

657
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: roster where he's going to be for the next couple

658
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: of years, even if he plays five more seasons, which

659
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: is possible. So it's just you can argue careers, you

660
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: can argue moments, but I mean the goal of every

661
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: season is to win the title, and I think the

662
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: best if Mahomes doesn't get to the number, which fuels

663
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: pretty crazy to even have a chance. But if he

664
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: can go to like losing super bowls is also a positive,

665
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning getting the two, but he got to four.

666
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing with Rogers, Like he's got the one.

667
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: If Rogers has been to two other Super Bowls and lost,

668
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: that would be an addition to his legacy. Part of

669
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: it is like he's never been past the championship game

670
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: since that moment. Even far like Farf got to two

671
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: super Bowls, Lait, I think got to five. Now it's

672
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: a reflection of the entire operation. But obviously, as the

673
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: lead dog, you're the one that gets the most credit

674
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: for that similar question, do you think Mahomes has to

675
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: get seven rings to become the goat? End of the day,

676
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: goat conversations, there's nothing more subjective than that. There really

677
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: isn't Like Mahomes the best player in the league that's objective,

678
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: wins the most most accomplished, best eye test statistically, Like

679
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: it's just not even debatable he's unphased in the playoffs.

680
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: But like we can argue till we're blue in the face,

681
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: goats different sports, What does that even mean? And I

682
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: talked for a living I just I don't know. Think

683
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: about this. If I was a GM and you could

684
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: get any player in the history of the league at

685
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three years old, and you had

686
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, are we one hundred percent

687
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: sure Tom Brady'd be the number one overall pick? What

688
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: if you took John Elway? What if you're like, I'm

689
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: such a good GM, I'll take Peyton Manning, I'll take Mahomes,

690
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll take Farv. I'm just saying you could make. These

691
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: are all just arguments, that's all. That's all this is.

692
00:40:54,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: So I think Tom he's obviously pretty far ahead Mahomes.

693
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: He wins the third. I mean, that's that would add

694
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: a pretty big curve ball to the conversation. Though. If CJ.

695
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: Stroud is a top three MVP candidate and Bryce Young

696
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: has another below average season, would you say that the

697
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: Panthers had the biggest whiff of all time with their

698
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: number one overall pick? Uh? No, I mean there have

699
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: been bigger whiffs in NFL history, right. The other thing

700
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: is you can't do a whiff because the biggest whiff

701
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: of all time would probably be like JaMarcus Russell, didn't

702
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: he go JaMarcus Russell, Calvin Johnson. JaMarcus Russell was out

703
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: of the league in three years out of the league,

704
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: so I think it's hard to do that. Two years

705
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: into a career. You could say it's one hundred percent mistake.

706
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: There's no debating it. But it's like, let's use the

707
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence draft. Okay, Trevor still goes one. What quarterback

708
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: would be the second off the board. It wouldn't be

709
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, it wouldn't be Trey Lance, it wouldn't be

710
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: mac Jones, but it wouldn't be fields. Like, are any

711
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks getting drafted in the first round. I

712
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: think the answer is one hundred percent no. So I

713
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: think the question would be is if in five years,

714
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: CJ's just a bona fide top six to seven quarterback

715
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: in the league every single year and Bryce's on another team,

716
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: then it's it's just a catastrophic mistake, especially if David

717
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: Tepper's wife loves CJ. Surround and listen. Part of being

718
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: a GM and a head coach, there's got to be

719
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: luck involved. The Chargers had Tua above Herbert on their

720
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: draft board. That's not an opinion, that's a well documented

721
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: fact because Telesco's boys with literally every single media person

722
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: except myself tells them all and rightfully. So, I mean,

723
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: that wasn't a crazy thing to have four years ago

724
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But Tua goes first and they just take

725
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: Herbert promise you this. They don't regret that one. But

726
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know. So I made him bet with

727
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: a coworker that the Cowboys wouldn't win a playoff game

728
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: this season. We're both Cowboy fans. He's a lot younger

729
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: than me and under some delusional mind that the Cowboys

730
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: are great. He wasn't even born when they won four

731
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in a row. If we had Jimmy Johnson

732
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: as a coach, I don't know. If you beat the

733
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Niners in ninety four, they had a little guy named Primetime.

734
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: I think the Niners win that game because of Dion.

735
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean signing Dion who then you got and you

736
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: immediately win. I don't think it changes now. Maybe you

737
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: keep winning a little longer, but I think you were

738
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: losing that one. But I hear what you're saying, Uh,

739
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: what do you think my odds are to win this bet?

740
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: I'd say fifty to fifty I think the Cowboys are

741
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a playoff team. And the thing with the

742
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: playoffs and it's easy to crush people, Dak sucks. It's

743
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: not inconceivable. If they're healthy and they're depending on the matchups,

744
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: they could win a multiple playoff games and be in

745
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. If you get to the dance,

746
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: anything's possible. It's just a fact. No one thought the

747
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: Packers were gonna be the Cowboys. Then they boat raced them.

748
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: Then you're like, oh, Packers are gonna get Jordan Love

749
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: smoked by the Niners. They were kicking their ass. Happens

750
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: all the time the playoffs. That this is not a

751
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: seven game series. It's one game, and if you have

752
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: a bad half, you might not be able to make

753
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: up for it. I'll be the first to admit the

754
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: Niners got very lucky last year. In both games, especially

755
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the Lions game, they were in major trouble. I've been

756
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: watching this Pete Rose documentary, and you know, the Cincinnati Reds,

757
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: the big red machine. We're going to the World Series

758
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: all the time, and or minimum going to the to

759
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: the NLCS all the time. They're like, oh, we lost

760
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: a devastating game in Game four, see game five. We

761
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: just got Carlton fisked in Game six. That sucks. We'll

762
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: just win Game seven and win the World Series. So

763
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: football's weird that way. Now. I think the best thing

764
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: you have going for you is there is a chance

765
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: your team's pretty top heavy. If the Cowboys don't make

766
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Let's say they go nine to eight and

767
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: they don't aren't one of the top seven seeds, then

768
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: you win. But if you make the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

769
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're in the playoffs, kill the Eagles.

770
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: Part of obviously they benefited because they won the division

771
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: that they had a home game. That if you're a

772
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: wild card team, you got.

773
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: To go on the road.

774
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: But I was dming with a Cowboy fan the other day.

775
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: Home road does not matter for you, Like, it's not

776
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: like you have any advantage at home two of the

777
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: last three years. Niners beat you three years ago and

778
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the Packers killed you last year, So it's not like

779
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: must have a home game. I don't think that matters

780
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: at all. Honestly, your best game of the last three years,

781
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: i'd say was two years ago on the road against

782
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: the Niners in the second round. Easily could have won

783
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: that game. Your defense won that game, was playing winning football.

784
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: Dak screwed you with picks. I'd say make the playoffs.

785
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: This is more of a request than a question, but

786
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: can you please confront Colin on his prejudice against Bruck Purty.

787
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Colin was rambling on about how Sam Donald could still

788
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: be great and hasn't had great situations before, and yet

789
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: did Sam beat out the returning from surgery in the

790
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: first full season as a starter Brock Party. No, I'm

791
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: sure hoping the season put puts an end to all

792
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: the holdouts want to disrespect him, said this forever. It's

793
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: not gonna end. He could have the same season as

794
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: last year, throw a bunch of touchdowns, lead a team

795
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to twelve thirteen wins, have them winning in the playoffs.

796
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: Then he'll get a big contract and everyone would be like, oh,

797
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: now we judge him on a fifty million dollars, Like

798
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: now we compare him to Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes, which

799
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: you could argue is fair. Then everything's fair game once

800
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: you get a huge contract. But there's no one there

801
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: wasn't not that he would have beat out Party and

802
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: even Sam Donald admitted, Purty taught me how to study.

803
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: But it's not I promise you that the party conversation

804
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: has only just started. It is not slowing down to me.

805
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: The only way to shut it up because he could

806
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: have won the MVP last year and it wouldn't have stopped.

807
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: He'd have to have like a forty eight touchdown season

808
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: of just like what are you gonna say? But if

809
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: he has another one, like thirty two touchdowns, they're like, Oh,

810
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: Kyle the weapons mahomes. Last time I checked when he

811
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: won his first MVP. He's throwing to Tyreek Hill and

812
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Got news for you, they're both going first

813
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 1: ballot all of famers, and once all sudden done, Tyreek

814
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: Hill is probably the top three or four wide receiver ever,

815
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: Travis's gonna go down. Even Shannon Sharp admitted, this greatest

816
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: pass catching tight end of all time, and he's got

817
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Like usually these things go hand in hand.

818
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Joe Montana, you know he's throwing to Jerry Rice and

819
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: John Taylor with Bill Walsh and great defenses, Tom Brady,

820
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: great players, great defense. You can't do it by yourself.

821
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: You got no shot. You mentioned a few podcasts ago,

822
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: the Eagles valued and targeted Russell Wilson in the draft

823
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: but missed. Can you share the inside infro the stories

824
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: about draft night where the team's brass misjudged or missed

825
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: on a target. What are some of the mind games

826
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: Howie used to throw teams off the scent? Is there

827
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: a good tell all book on draft stories? You know,

828
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm not in on these conversations with Andy and Howie

829
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: when I was with the team, so I couldn't pretend

830
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to act like what's getting leaked, what's getting said? I

831
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: do think though, it boils down to ten to fifteen

832
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: years before and forever previously, the quarterback inflation is not

833
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: what it is now. So when you saw a quarterback

834
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: you really liked, like this year's a good example. All

835
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks they ended up going six in the time

836
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: I'd say fifteen years ago. Some of those guys go

837
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: in the second round. They're the same player, they just

838
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: go later in the draft. So you viewed it much

839
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: more like pure value, where's this guy gonna go somewhere

840
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: between pick sixty and ninety, And you try to play

841
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: it perfectly to spend the least amount of draft capital

842
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: on the player, like It's no different than any transaction

843
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: trying to buy a car, trying to buy a house.

844
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: If you run a business, trying to acquire another business,

845
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: what is the least amount I could pay for what

846
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: I want? And when you do that, sometimes the other

847
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: person says, no, not gonna do that, not gonna negotiate.

848
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: This is the price were when you draft forever, it's like,

849
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: could I get Russell Wilson in the middle of the

850
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: third round. Most people thought you could have because half

851
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: the league wouldn't even be interested in a player like that,

852
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: And then obviously John Schneider loved him and took him.

853
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: But I just think they played the value game. And

854
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I think how he's talked about this, they don't really

855
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: do that anymore. When they really like a guy, they

856
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: get aggressive and go get them. They've done it with

857
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: position players, but they did it with Jalen Hurts. Could

858
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: maybe they have got Jalen Hurts in the third round? Yeah? Maybe,

859
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: but we liked them, we're alling on them, let's draft them.

860
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: So I just think it was it was a different

861
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: time back then. These quarterbacks, it's hard to even describe.

862
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: The way you discussed it in the building, was nowhere

863
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: near like the way we do now. And I think

864
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: a huge reason for that is some of these guys

865
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: that have hit Because when you hit on a guy

866
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: who Josh Allen historically was never getting drafted in the

867
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: top ten, I mean he barely could throw for like

868
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: fifty five percent in college. Now he had traits and

869
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: there was a lot to like and he's a good guy.

870
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: But that kind of movement changed the sport forever, and

871
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: we've seen it not work out like twenty twenty one,

872
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: and we've seen it this year where it looks like

873
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: all these guys are pretty talented, but like bo Nix

874
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: and the history of the sport usually goes in the

875
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: second or third round. Same with like JJ McCarthy wouldn't

876
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: have been a top fifteen pick. That doesn't mean they

877
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: go on. I mean I've seen it with Derek Carr

878
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: has been a starter in the league for like twelve

879
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: thirteen years, he wasn't a first round pick. Jimmy Garoppolo

880
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: was an excellent prospect coming out second round pick. Drew

881
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: Brees second round pick. So I think back in the

882
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: day you tried to value, like can I use my

883
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: first round pick on another player and then get this

884
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: quarterback somewhere else. I mean, hell did the Seahawks I

885
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: think drafted two other players before they Bruce Irvin was

886
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: definitely their first round pick that year. I forget who

887
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: they took in the second round. Might have been Bobby Wagner.

888
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: It might have been Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson. Well,

889
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: if you could do it all over again, Russell Wilson

890
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: would have been more Bruce Irvin if they but they

891
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't even know. Partly because small quarterbacks back then. That's

892
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: the other thing. Smaller quarterbacks up until the last really,

893
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Russell was a big reason it changed. Were heavily discriminated against.

894
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: And then the sport kind of changed. You don't just

895
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: need to sit in the pocket and play. Example him,

896
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: he's not even a great pocket quarterback. He was a scramble,

897
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: run around guy. And then we've seen since you know,

898
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray number one pick tiny, short, not small, he's

899
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: thick Baker short number one overall, pick Bryce Young tiny

900
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: and skinny number one overall pick. I think there's a

901
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: decent Bryce is not as good of an NFL player

902
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: obviously as either one of those two. I keep hearing

903
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: you reference CEO head coach as a negative. Yet the

904
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: two longest coaches in the NFL right now don't call

905
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: plays on either side of the ball. Last year's Final

906
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: four was fifty to fifty play callers fifty to fifty

907
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: CEO types. As a president of a large construction company,

908
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: if I had to do day to day task responsibilities

909
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: equivalent to play calling, I couldn't properly see the needs

910
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: to the business. I would be too tied down to

911
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: my daily tasks. I don't so I have the flexibility

912
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: to support operations, sales, logistics, HR finance when needed, with

913
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: my ultimate obligation being the overall performance of the business.

914
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I have a fifteen thousand foot view of everything, which

915
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: allows me to be critical about weak points in the

916
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: business and exploit the strengths, challenge management coordinators to view

917
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: things from different perspective, own and develop a consistent culture.

918
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: My guy sounds like he's doing pretty well. I acknowledge

919
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: that McVeigh, Shanahan, and Reed are the top three head

920
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, but my point is that the

921
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: right CEO type can be just as effective in an

922
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: NFL lockerroom, and maybe even more so in different situations.

923
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Successive failure as a head coach in the NFL isn't

924
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: based on your ability to call an offense or defense,

925
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: but how you are able to positively impact the team.

926
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: You said that calling plays as day to day activity.

927
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I think we would have to acknowledge the play calling.

928
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: In your example, running a company would be a major part, right,

929
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: So in a certain that'd be like sales or depending

930
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: on your business, the product. I would say play calling,

931
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: especially offensive play calling, is a huge part of the

932
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: pie chart of everything that encapsulates a business. I've never

933
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: said I didn't like CEO head coaches. John Harbaugh is legit.

934
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Dan Campbell guy. I swear by Jim Harbaugh,

935
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. I thought it was time in Pittsburgh for

936
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: a divorce. I said he would immediately be the number

937
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: one candidate on the board. I'm more critical of a

938
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: guy like Sirianni. We're like, I know what John Harbaugh

939
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: brings the table. His leadership is elite, same with Jim.

940
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: Their ability to run the organization is top notch. Sirian

941
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: is an example. I don't know what he's doing. Robert Solis,

942
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: CEO head coach. I don't get it. I do not

943
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: get it, no different than all CEOs don't have the

944
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: same skill set. My buddy Scottie is trying to make

945
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: it in the finance world down in La Caddies a

946
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: little on the side at one of the nicest country

947
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: clubs in Newport Beach, probably within the last six months.

948
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm on a group text with him, my brother and

949
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: a couple other people. He said, I just caddied for

950
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: the CEO of Chipotle. He's like, dude's the man. He's like,

951
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: I listen, I don't pretend to know what makes a

952
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: fortune five hundred CEO, but I think this guy's got it.

953
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: What happened two days ago, that guy was hired to

954
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: run Starbucks. So clearly that guy's skill set is pretty

955
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: freaking high level. But we see CEOs all the time

956
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: get booted. Hell, Starbucks just ran the guy out of town.

957
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: Felt a little overwhelmed. So if you are going to

958
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: do the quote unquote CEO rule one. And I don't

959
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: know your background, but I would imagine you have expertise

960
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: in certain elements of your business before you became started

961
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: the company from scratch. Maybe there's a chance you just

962
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: started from scratch young entrepreneur didn't know anything, but I

963
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: would doubt that. So you have a very good feel

964
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: for X, Y and Z. Maybe you've had to really

965
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: master and learn about over the time in your career

966
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: run the company ABC D n D, which is no

967
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: different with the CEO head coach. They get there, certain

968
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: things are very comfortable doing and other things they have

969
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: to get better at. But we have to acknowledge some

970
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: people that are quote unquote CEO head coaches, do they

971
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: know X, Y, Z or A B or C. Feels

972
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: like they they what are they doing? That is my point.

973
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Like the guys you listed have elite characteristics, so I

974
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: get it. I'm cool with hiring them. I was texting

975
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: someone the other day if I had the chance to

976
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: hire a coach, because I do fall under offensive guys

977
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: play callers. I understand why that's where you'd want to lean.

978
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: But if it was January first and I was a

979
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: GM or an owner, I think Mike Rabel might be

980
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: my number one guy depending. I mean, it doesn't feel

981
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: like there's a Shanahan or McVeigh potentially in this crew.

982
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Maybe Kellen Moore becomes that, but I don't think you'd

983
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: go wrong, you'd feel pretty good. And where does Mike

984
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: Rabil fall under kind of that group? So I'm not

985
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: thinking these guys like it's a joke, but certain guys

986
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: also have that title. And like I said, what are

987
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: they doing and what do they bring to the table?

988
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: What do they bring to the table, because like you said,

989
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: you could be a CEO. You were the best sales

990
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: guy in the company for a decade and a half.

991
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: Now you don't know in construction, You're not a carpenter.

992
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: You know nothing about it, electricity or electrician work. You

993
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know plumbing. You know you're you're decent with logistics.

994
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: You'd have to learn some stuff on the fly. But

995
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: like you bring something to the table immediately, Sirianna can't

996
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: impact the offense Like what sala I don't get it.

997
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: And I like Robert Salah, but he was hired because

998
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: of his defensive expertise, and hell, their defense has been

999
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: a little overrated the last couple of years. Not gonna lie,

1000
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: but I hear you. I think you pigeonholed me saying

1001
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: something that I'm not totally against. Should slash will the

1002
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Bengals trade Jamar Chase and t Higgins I personally think

1003
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: the owner is cheap. Well, I mean, I think that's

1004
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: pretty well established over the years and that's why they

1005
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: have not paid either. But is he looking at this

1006
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: team as a whole and there are some obvious holes,

1007
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: or even looking at the Chiefs winning the Super with

1008
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: the wide receiver corps, how many picks you get? Well,

1009
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: at this point, T Higgins he's a franchise tag. The

1010
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: time to trade him would have been six months ago

1011
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: or the previous year, so that ship has sailed on

1012
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: trading him for any value. I think the Jamar Chase

1013
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: question is he's a top five wide receiver. Clearly he's

1014
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: an elite player who used draft capital in the top

1015
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: what was he the fifth pick? So that's a very

1016
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: very valuable piece. Like ultimately T Higgins was an incredible

1017
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: second round hit, Jamar was a value valuable asset in

1018
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: which you had to pay a premium for and he's hit.

1019
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: I think they'd say, we don't pay people after three years,

1020
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: beside our quarterback, which we did. I think what was

1021
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: it after four years? Joe Burrow paid last year. Could

1022
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: be wrong on that. Jamar Chase gets you all, but

1023
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: think of the teams it would be interested in Jamar Chase.

1024
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: The Rams. I bet they in a heartbeat would give

1025
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: you two ones in a two for him. Well, if

1026
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: you give Jamar Chase to the Rams, I think it's

1027
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: fair to assume that those picks are going to be

1028
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: in the twenties. So what you paid for Jamar and

1029
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: then what you get for him, does that make sense?

1030
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: The Bills, same thing the Chiefs, Like, you're not trading

1031
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: them to the Chiefs or the Bills Steelers need a

1032
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you obviously wouldn't do a deal with him.

1033
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: So I think that's where it gets with the Cowboys

1034
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: give you a couple ones in a two for Jamar Chase,

1035
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: probably not because they already got Ceedee Lamb who they're

1036
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: going about to pay. I think in a perfect world

1037
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: you trade to a team that then kind of sucks.

1038
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think those teams are interested in making

1039
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: them move. I think that's where it gets really complicated.

1040
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: I think you just end up paying him he hasn't

1041
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: practiced yet, which clearly I think Florio wrote today part

1042
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: of the reason he's holding in and not just completely

1043
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: holding out is because there was a training camp bonus

1044
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: or an off season bonus that he's hit. He hits

1045
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: for just showing up, But it doesn't look like they're

1046
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: that inclined to give him money. So it'll be fascinating

1047
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: to watch the way this plays out. But I think

1048
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: if you're all in on your quarterback and Andy and Veach

1049
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: and those guys had a little more equity, They'd won

1050
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: a super Bowl, they'd been to another, they clearly were

1051
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: a massive just problem. They already had a sweet defensive

1052
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: player that they were going to have to invest in.

1053
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: That's like, where are you going to reinvest the capitol?

1054
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: I think you should have traded t Higgins this offseason

1055
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: and used a pick on other players and just invest

1056
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: in Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow that that, to me,

1057
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: is the solution there. The volume m hm