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Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode three forty eight. Ali Colleen. This was

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Speaker 1: a really fun one, but also difficult for me. It's

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Speaker 1: always difficult when there are relationships and you have to

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Speaker 1: kind of navigate them as you're doing this. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Mike, I do know you because I

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Speaker 1: like Ali a lot, and which she comes and does

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Speaker 1: hear it all in a second. Because she comes as

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Speaker 1: the show. We don't really focus on the fact that

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Speaker 1: she's Garth Brook's daughter because I know she's trying to

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Speaker 1: be her own artist, and I'm very deliberate about that

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Speaker 1: with her because she deserves to be her own self.

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Speaker 1: But on this we always talk about family and growing

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Speaker 1: up and parents, and so I have that conversation with her.

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Speaker 1: But she was super cool. We learned a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff and just it's there wasn't the central theme of it.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna like that. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: like Ali. Hopefully we introduced a new artists that you know,

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Speaker 1: But she got a new song called Halos and Horns,

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Speaker 1: which I'll play you a little bit of right now.

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Speaker 1: So she talks about moving to Nashville, why she's such

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Speaker 1: a big animal person, which I found very interesting, and

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Speaker 1: also some about growing up in the Brooks family with

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Speaker 1: and it's good stuff you to hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Here is Ali Colleen on the Bobby Cast. Ali, how

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm very well? How are you? Pretty good?

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Speaker 1: You know? It is an interesting situation with you, meaning

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Speaker 1: on two levels. One because you're my close friends close friend,

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Speaker 1: and so I always try to remain unbiased, which you know,

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Speaker 1: I booked you on the radio show and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm my only booking. Or because she's really close to

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Speaker 1: that you're close, right. I had asked myself the same

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Speaker 1: want to come on here because it's it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: navigated that as well, and it's a it's a weird

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Speaker 1: navigation for me generally here when I do this because heck.

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Speaker 1: I have friends and close friends, and sometimes they put

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Speaker 1: out stuff that I'm like, well, that's very good and

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't act like it is um. And

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Speaker 1: then the second thing is with your dad, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: especially the first time, the second time we had you upunder,

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Speaker 1: you're really good. And on this podcast different than the

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Speaker 1: radio show because on the radio show, I've really tried

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Speaker 1: to focus and not talk about your dad because you

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Speaker 1: like we had Jimmy from a little big town in

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Speaker 1: And so I'm going this, I'm just telling what what

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Speaker 1: because I'm so neurotic about everything. Anyway, before you come

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Speaker 1: And you brought it up the last time and I

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Speaker 1: you nailed the performance, which by the way. I hope

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Speaker 1: you felt a love like a lot of people love

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Speaker 1: that performance on the show. Thank you, Thank you. Know

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Speaker 1: we've gotten so much good feedback. We always do anytime

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Speaker 1: I would never ask you to navigate around my family

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Speaker 1: completely okay. So I don't want to make sure we're

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Speaker 1: the ugly here. Um, let's let's go back and talk

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Speaker 1: about at least initially, you first came on the radio

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Speaker 1: likes and she loves you. And so again, it's always

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Speaker 1: a weird thing whenever you have a friend over. But

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Speaker 1: at what point did you want to start as an artist,

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Speaker 1: talking about period. I'm Ali, I'm gonna go out and

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Speaker 1: to promote my music, because that's that's different than just

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Speaker 1: writing songs. When did that start for you? It is

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Speaker 1: Did you have that conversation with your mom and your

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Speaker 1: And I remember talking to them about the songwriting program

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Speaker 1: If they could, they could do someone else. If it

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Speaker 1: something else, but not the case. But um, my parents

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Speaker 1: different than it was years ago. Um, I struggle. I've

430
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 1: always struggled with trust. Mostly it's because I felt people

431
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 1: were going to leave now as I struggle with trust,

432
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 1: because I went from nobody caring at all to all

433
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden everybody caring. Caring is not not real

434
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,160
Speaker 1: or authentic. Being afraid that everyone's gonna leave is just

435
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 1: as scary as really not being sure why they're there.

436
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 1: And it's and I've gone from one to the other, right,

437
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 1: And I've gone from scared everybody's gonna leave to now

438
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 1: anyone that comes into my life, I'm like, why exactly

439
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: are they trying to come into my life? Because I

440
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 1: ain't that cool, right? But I know my freaking bulldog,

441
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a crap if I got a TV show,

442
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,160
Speaker 1: a radio show up, I'm writing, but he does not care.

443
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: He wants to be fed. He's going to fart, and

444
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,120
Speaker 1: he's going to gonna pet his head, and he's gonna

445
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: love on me. And it is it's funny talking with you,

446
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 1: like I can now feel that I feel the same

447
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 1: way with these animals that I always have, but it's

448
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: just shifted from hey, I'm alone owned to hey, um,

449
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: I think I want to be alone because I don't

450
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 1: trust anybody else right now, and so I still have

451
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 1: that oddly with my bulldog and now el Or, a

452
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: dog that we just adopted, although she's been really she's

453
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: been a rough. She's finally good after like a year,

454
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 1: but man, she was she was tough for a while.

455
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: Do you guys have dogs at all? Dogs around the

456
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 1: house too? I have dogs. Um, everything that we do

457
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: is based off this this label company that I've you know,

458
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: just created called Evangeline Records, and all of that goes

459
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: back to my dog. Um, My firefly is from Princess

460
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 1: and the Frog, and it's this fireflight you know, named Evangeline,

461
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: And so I named my dog Evangeline. We just called

462
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 1: her Eve. And that was my girl. That was the

463
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: first dog like I owned on my own that I

464
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: went in and rescued. It was brought into the clinic

465
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 1: that I worked at at the time and did everything

466
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: for Eve so much so that we got Eve a dog.

467
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, hold, I want to I gotta get to

468
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: that with the clinic you worked at in Oklahoma and

469
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: here I worked at the good Little Animal Hospital while

470
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: I was in college. So so then Eve got a

471
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: dog and what was so we so Eve was just

472
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of older and and I don't know if she

473
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: We just wanted her to have spunk again. And and

474
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: we found, more so than anything that other animals bring

475
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: that out, you know, more so in animals than anything else.

476
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,479
Speaker 1: So UM got a call that there was a dog.

477
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 1: It was Christmas Eve and there was a dog scheduled

478
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: to be euthanized. UM, and she was totally healthy, and

479
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: she had been at animal control for eight months and

480
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 1: all of these things, and she just wasn't gonna make

481
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: it if we didn't come and get her. So we

482
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 1: when we got her, we named her Mary Christmas. We

483
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: just call her Mary M A R M R. So

484
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: we just called her Mary. Um, I call her Mary

485
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: move pants. But it's fine. And we lost Eve maybe

486
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: a year or two after that, and it it took

487
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: me and Mary the same way for a long time.

488
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: I was like your Eves dog. He was supposed to

489
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: taking with her. Where's Eve at um? And at that

490
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: same time, I also lost the relationship that I was

491
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: in at the time, So then it was just me

492
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: and Mary, you know, it went from all of us

493
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: to just me and Mary. And I felt the same

494
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: way for a while out Mary, And now I don't

495
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: know what I would be without Mary. So it is

496
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: also interesting how the relationship cannot start the way you

497
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: thought it would with dogs, you know, and just somehow

498
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: be like, No, Mary, every time I come home, you're

499
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: still here, and when I open the door, you don't

500
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: even want to go outside. She's that lazy. So I

501
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: love Mary. Do you think because I can hear the

502
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: emotion in your voice because I understand it, especially when

503
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: it comes to animals, do you think that you need

504
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: to be in an emotionally um polar place to write

505
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: emotionally driven songs? I don't because I'm a huge impath,

506
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: so much so that I often wonder am I even

507
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: sad today? Or someone else sad? And then here I

508
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: am just having to deal with it. And so with

509
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: that said, that is the beauty of this town and

510
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: the beauty of co writing, you know what I mean.

511
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: There's no one short of misery in this town. So

512
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: if by chance I'm having a good day, I can

513
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: go find somebody who needs some help and maybe needs

514
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: a lighter side of their story, you know. And that's

515
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: so cool too. To to two writes as a writer

516
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: and as someone who is a pretty big ego to

517
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: show up and be like, hey, guys, what do you

518
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: need today? What are you going through? What are we

519
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: writing about? Let's go if it lands on happy something happy, cool,

520
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: But I would prefer it not to. You know, I

521
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: really like writing about things that that we care about,

522
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, And and I enjoy that. And I think

523
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: that I think the whole empathy thing is is just

524
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: as much of a blessings. It is a curse most days.

525
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: But I just I feel for people a lot, and

526
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful when someone is willing to share their

527
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: story so that we can write about it. It's interesting

528
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: because I don't consider myself an EmPATH at all, but

529
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: I often say that my greatest superpower is empathy. Um,

530
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: because people will they will come or they'll write articles

531
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: about me. They aren't nice, like, we don't get it.

532
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: We don't know why successful. He doesn't do anything, you know,

533
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't have one talent that should allow him to

534
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: be at this level. And so I get asked those

535
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: questions sometimes when you're a little awkward, like hey, what

536
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: is it what is it that you do that's different?

537
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: And I think, well, and now I'm happy to have it.

538
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's because I am so empathetic to

539
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: the struggle like I and I hate it and resented

540
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: it forever. It was like, I can't believe I had

541
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: to go through all this crap. I can't. I can't

542
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: believe that I had to live like this, couldn't eat

543
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: sometimes couldn't. But now that I'm an adult, it's like,

544
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for it. It has been kind of

545
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: a reversal in what I hated versus what I love

546
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: and now what actually allows me to empower others, because

547
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: that's how it's come back to me. So but I

548
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: don't consider myself an impact at all, but maybe in

549
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: a weird way I am. I just don't want to

550
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: admit it because I don't like to show emotion at all.

551
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: Well I am not a therapist by any means, but

552
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: but I always love a good button after that, and

553
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 1: it's a good button, it really is. It's a good

554
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: But from the outside looking in, I think, you know,

555
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: if if it's such an anxious thought of you to

556
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: share the love that you have for people, because it's

557
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: not that you don't love people, it's that you don't

558
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: tell people that you love them very often, And I

559
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: think I think it would be very hard to to

560
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: allow those walls to break down and say, no, I

561
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: am an EmPATH. I do empathize with people all the

562
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: time and all those things, when that alone has just

563
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: taken off just that much more armor, you know, and

564
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: that can be really scary. So I a hundred percent

565
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: believe that you're an EmPATH. I believe that you're very empathetic.

566
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 1: And I also believe too that anyone who you do

567
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: say I love you to anyone that you do open

568
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: up those gates for and whatever, they should be damn

569
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: appreciative of that. And I know that they are. You

570
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: would think that until they realize it's me. Other than that,

571
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't think. So you go to Belmont, you're studying songwriting, right,

572
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: How good are you once you're in the land of

573
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: everybody that's good? Still pretty good? Yeah? Yeah that Were

574
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: you concerned that you would get here and go oh man?

575
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Or were you just like, let's go, I'm ready to

576
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: show what I got. Just let's go, because I am

577
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: ready to show you what I got. But also what

578
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: that said, I've if I've got people around me, you

579
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: bet your but they are better than I am. I

580
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: cannot learn from anyone who is not better than me.

581
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: I mean I can, but not in a in a

582
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: talent way, in a in a songwriting way, you know

583
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I've continued my whole life to

584
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: surround myself with people that are better than I am.

585
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not afraid of that by any means um

586
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: because again, I get to learn, and I think that's that.

587
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: That was the nerd side of me when it came

588
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: to academics was I was like, I might not be

589
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: very smart, but I do genuinely like to learn about things,

590
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: because there's not anything that you can't take and put

591
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: in perspective for a song. You really can't. So it's

592
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: kind of just like the school little background work thing

593
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: that you get to do all the time, just learning

594
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: stuff and learning stuff and and getting to go and

595
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: take that and be creative with it. I feel like

596
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: you took a kind of a smart back door to

597
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: the system though, And hear me out when it's like, hey,

598
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do music until I graduate college,

599
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: but you go to college and do music, it's like

600
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: you cut four years off of the So I just

601
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: found a loophole in this dove the loophole, but was

602
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: part of your deal you couldn't go out and perform

603
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: while you were in college, so you can learn it,

604
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: but you just couldn't perform. I really couldn't go perform,

605
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: and there weren't really too many parameters on it. I

606
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: think it was more so just please go to college, Ali,

607
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: you know, and and and I think too none of

608
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: that as much as it has to do with education.

609
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: I think my parents would agree with me. What you

610
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: learn in college is not your degree. It's not what

611
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: you're going and studying. It's not what you're sitting in

612
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: class four. You know. It's learning that, oh this professor once,

613
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: that's done this way, and that's what's going to get

614
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: this grade done this way, not like what the alcalade

615
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: on the paper is, you know what I mean. And

616
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: it's just learning people. And I think just like sports,

617
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't about being fast. It wasn't about like winning

618
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: state or anything like that. For my dad, he didn't

619
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: care if I even played two minutes of the game.

620
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: He wanted to see me show up for practice every day,

621
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, and and not quit on the sprints even

622
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: if I didn't make the times, you know, like, just

623
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: learn how to work and learn how to find out

624
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: how you work well, learn how to do what you

625
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: do not want to do for the rest of your life.

626
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: My dad was very strong on summer jobs as well.

627
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: He cared about education a lot, so we didn't have

628
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: to work during our school years, but as soon as

629
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: we could drive, we had to work every single summer,

630
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: you know, and and learn what we didn't want to

631
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: do for the rest of our life, is what he

632
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: always said, and and I think that that was very encouraging.

633
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: So I think for me, my parents just wanted me

634
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: to have four years away from home, but not just

635
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: all willy nilly out there in the world, you know,

636
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: and and learn people and learn how to coexist with people,

637
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: and learn how to do stuff you don't want to

638
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: do and still do it well. And I'm so grateful

639
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: for that. And I probably could have used an additional

640
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: nine years, you know what I mean, to just grow

641
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: up and do my thing. But I'm very grateful for

642
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: that for that time at Belmont and then also yes

643
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: to be around other music kids for the first time

644
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, do you do you feel because

645
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: as somebody who creates art and when I go up

646
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: in a really small town, nobody did what I wanted

647
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: to do. There was no I couldn't talk about, writing

648
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: jokes I couldn't talk about And it wasn't until in

649
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: late in college where I started to talk to other

650
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: people that were doing radio and TV that ever felt

651
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: like somebody actually understood the weird dreams and feelings. Did

652
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: you find that with musical kids at Belmont where You're like,

653
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: I finally have somebody I can speak a language too

654
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: that I've known for a long time, but nobody else

655
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: in my town did. I found it in very small circles.

656
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: I also found way more of what I didn't expect

657
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: to find, which was I genuinely don't understand why you

658
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: guys are here. You know, there was a lot of

659
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: people that I met that I could not figure out

660
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: or crack why they wanted to do what they said

661
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, because the actions did never line

662
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: up with it. You mean, they're here and there, I'm

663
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: studying this, but they didn't enjoy it at all, And

664
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: You're like, well, it didn't seem like they enjoyed it.

665
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: They didn't seem like it was a gift, and they

666
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't seem like it was something that they had to do.

667
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Everyone always talked about, Man, how rad would this be

668
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: if it happens. If not, you know, at least we

669
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: can go do this or this or this. And my

670
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: thing has always been, if you think for a split

671
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: second of a second that you can come to this town,

672
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: fail whatever that means, and do something else, do not

673
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: even move here. Please, do not crowd up the slots anymore.

674
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: Do not crowd up this town, do not crowd up

675
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: the rent. Don't do any of those things if you

676
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: have an option to go somewhere else. And at Belmont

677
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: I found, even coming from a very financially well off family,

678
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you here spending the money

679
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: that you are spending to come to the school, And

680
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: just think about your Instagram post for this evening, which

681
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: again content is king. I get it. But there's a

682
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: business way to do it, and then there's a strictly

683
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: social side to do it, you know, And I just

684
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: I think I found a lot more of that than

685
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I expected at Belmont. But all of those things just

686
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: feeds so much more into the amazing things that you

687
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: do find, you know, like every heartbreak, every friendship that

688
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, that just feeds into those people that

689
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: have stayed forever, and I feel the same way about music.

690
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: Everyone that I meet that I want so badly just

691
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: to crack sense over their head and make them feel

692
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: the way I feel, which doesn't even mean that the

693
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: way it feels right, but makes it so much more

694
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: special to me. When I do find my writers and

695
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: my friends that don't have a choice and have to

696
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: do this and are comfortable setting in their misery sometimes

697
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: to create narratives for other people, that's really really cool.

698
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: But it wasn't as easy to find as I thought

699
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: it would be. You graduate, And what did that mean

700
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: to you? Yes, you completed something. You didn't mean like, Wow,

701
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: look what I've done? Or does it mean look what

702
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I get to do now? Because now I've done that

703
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: and I can go tackle the world. It was, look

704
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: what I get to do now. I was very proud

705
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I ran into a medical issue my

706
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: senior year in high school. UM, and I just started

707
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: falling asleep all the time. And I was a very

708
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: energetic kid. I always was. Energy was never anything I

709
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: was short of. UM and then all of a sudden,

710
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: no matter what I did, I was sleeping all the time,

711
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: whether I wanted to or not. I would wake up

712
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: at restaurants and all my friends were done eating and

713
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I didn't touch my food yet, and I've just been sleeping,

714
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: um and uh huh. And I ended up I had

715
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: an arcalepsy and I just started falling asleep all the time.

716
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: And that made school very hard, and it made me

717
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: look like a bad student to all my teachers, even

718
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: though I would explain to them, Hey, I swear I'm

719
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: not partying all night. I sleep as often as I can,

720
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: like I just I need help staying awake sometimes. And

721
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I would fall asleep and all my classes and for

722
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: the first time, I didn't have my four point oh,

723
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't have any of those things. And I

724
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: was very mad about it. And so for me going

725
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: to college and and learning that you're supposed to learn

726
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: everything outside of class and then come into class and

727
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: talk about what you've learned, you know, like that's what

728
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: lectures are. I didn't know that. I thought lectures were

729
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: teaching you that what you needed to study, and that

730
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: just wasn't really the case about whatnt You were supposed

731
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: to go out and and read your chapters or do

732
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: whatever and then come in and talk about it. And

733
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I can't read anything to save my life without falling asleep,

734
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: and it was just really hard. So for me, it

735
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: was a huge accolade to have completed those four years

736
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: in four years, you know, and and to have achieved

737
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: that that was a very big deal for me. But

738
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: more so than anything, it was I've done the work,

739
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: and I've worked my tail off. Now get ready and

740
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: see what I'm ready to do. Okay, so you're getting

741
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: ready to see what you're gonna do. Is there any

742
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: sort of refinding yourself as an artist as to what

743
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: you're going to present to the world every day? Still

744
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: every day? But what about when you finished college? Because

745
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: now you get to go and be an artist, like

746
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: you get to go and be yourself. And so do

747
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: you go, Am I going to be like an Americana artist,

748
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: a country artist? I want to do hip hop? I mean,

749
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: it really could be any thing. And obviously you have

750
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: a back your family is a huge in country. Did

751
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: that it all make you go? Maybe countries? Not for me? Maybe,

752
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what was just your mindset there. I

753
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: was definitely worried about that, you know, entering into the

754
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: same exact business as my family. Working as hard as

755
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I do to separate, you know, those relationships in those lines.

756
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: But since I was a kid, as much as I

757
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: love every genre on the planet, I would love to

758
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: be and Ami Lee, I would love to be any

759
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: of those things that would be so rad. I would

760
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: love I would love to do that so much. I

761
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like a punk rock band in high school. I

762
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: would just write for them and and that kind of thing,

763
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: and and it was so fun. But never has there

764
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: been a genre like country music where similar to reading

765
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: a book, I know what those characters look like, you know,

766
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: like I can paint you the two people that I

767
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: see every time I hear just to see you smile.

768
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you exactly what they look like. I

769
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: can tell you what his favorite food is like. That

770
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: is such a cool life to live in. His country music.

771
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: And if you can have narves that sound like Evanescence right,

772
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: or that sound like Ariana Grande, any of those things

773
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: that like that to me is the key. You know,

774
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: cross genres sound like whatever you want to say, but

775
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: have a narrative, have a story, have nourishment, have something

776
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: to feed off of. And to me, country music is

777
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: champion that better than any genre. And so as much

778
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: as I wanted to maybe not be in country or

779
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: as scared as I was, That's that's who I am,

780
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, as an artist, for sure. So Jacob Diylan

781
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: is Bob Dylan's son. And the story was Jacob Diylan

782
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to go by the name Jacob Dilan for

783
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: a long time because they didn't want people to know

784
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: he's Bob Dylan's son. So he would go and he

785
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: would audition for things, and he would not be Jacob Dylan.

786
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: He would be Jacob. Whatever the case is, is that

787
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: the reason that you're Ali Colleen is so people don't

788
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: instantly associate the two. So that's definitely a huge part

789
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: of it is to to not associate the two. The

790
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of running joke in my family is my dad's

791
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: mom was cooling. She's cooling Carol, she was on Capitol Records,

792
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: she was a musician, an artist, an amazing singer, all

793
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: these stuff. A lot of people don't realize it, but

794
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: kind of the joke and my family is, Okay, Well,

795
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: if i'm gonna sing off a family name, I'm gonna

796
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: sing off the you know, the prettier one, and and

797
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: then then the better singer one. Is kind of our thing. Um,

798
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: because my dad calls me miss Colleen most of the time. Um,

799
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: if not, he calls me Ali Coleen. But since I

800
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: was a kid, he's called me miss Colleen. And I

801
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: apparently just emulate his mom very very well. She passed

802
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: away when I was three, And so it was just

803
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: a huge honor as well. It would be a huge

804
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: honor to sing under the Brooks name. It would be,

805
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: but I never saw that people would see it or

806
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it for what it was. It would just be

807
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: a cotail name, you know. And and so to get

808
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: to sing under Ali Colleen and and just completely emulate,

809
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: you know who who raised my dad and who my

810
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: dad thinks he is the greatest person on the planet

811
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: was a huge honor for me and something that I

812
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. So when you leave college, you

813
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: ever think about being in a band? Is it all solo? Is?

814
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Because you give a lot of decisions now because you

815
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: now get to go and forge your own path, which

816
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: is terrifying and exciting at the same time. I always

817
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: thought it would be so cool to have a because

818
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: growing up, UM, a lot of the players that go

819
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: on the road with Dad, a lot of the gmon.

820
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: A lot of them do have children that are also

821
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: very very musically talented. Um and I always thought, man,

822
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: if I was ever have a band, how rat would

823
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: it be to just rally up all those kids and

824
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: we would be the bloodlines. And if it was in

825
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: our blood, like we' well you know, if it's it's

826
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: in our blood, were good enough and our bloods enough

827
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: so like we don't need a name, it's in us,

828
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: we got it. It would be the bloodlines, which would

829
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: be rad um. But then when I realized that queen

830
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: got to keep touring his queen even though Freddie Mercury

831
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: passed away, I was like, hey, nobody gonna continued to

832
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: ravel with my music if I die. No. Uh, like

833
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I said, ego, I got one. So where do you

834
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: start playing Scoreboard? Um? And I did play there. I

835
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: did play there. And I started playing there maybe late

836
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: into my junior year, senior year only on the weekends,

837
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: promised my parents wouldn't affect my school stuff like that.

838
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: Um and uh, I got to start playing at Scoreboard.

839
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: It's it's really really cool cocoreboard. Just because I don't know,

840
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: it's this really really cool restaurant over kind of by

841
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Opera Land. It's right behind National Palace and the Willie

842
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Nelson Museum and Cooters and all that stuff. Um, it's

843
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: right behind there. At that time, about five or six

844
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: years ago, they had just opened this huge patio deck

845
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: out back if they want to start having music on

846
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, sweet, I would love to open

847
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: that for you. Let's go. And so I would play

848
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: every Saturday night. What would you play like covers, originals?

849
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: I'd play six to ten. I would play covers, and

850
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: I would speaking my originals and when I could. And

851
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: then I was very lucky enough for Scoreboard to to

852
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: realize that my my original started to get more attention

853
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: than a lot of the covers did. Um. And I'd

854
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: always split it with somebody. I would always bring another

855
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: artists with me and we just go back and forth

856
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: for the three hours, which was also an amazing way

857
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: for me to meet a lot of the friends that

858
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: I have now, um that weren't necessarily Belmont kids. And um.

859
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: You know, when you play downtown, a lot of people

860
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: don't realize this, but you are strictly asked and requested

861
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: not to play your original music. Um. However, if someone

862
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: comes up and puts money in your jar on requesting

863
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: original song, then you can do it, you know, but

864
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: you're you know, or encouraged not to play original music

865
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and to just play the top forty whatever it is,

866
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: top requests, all those things. And I was like, well,

867
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: that's rad, but I'm not a I'm not a cover artist.

868
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to

869
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: grow my name. And I found that that's just something

870
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: you don't get to do on Broadway, which stinks because

871
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people are moving this to

872
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: this town for to make a name on Broadway, and

873
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: you don't get to do that anymore. So I was

874
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: very lucky to find a place like Scoreboard where I

875
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: could play every Saturday night, play my covers, play originals,

876
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: and it really did turn into if you want to

877
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: see Ali Colin in this town, you have to go

878
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: to Scoreboard, and Scoreboard's not going to give that date

879
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: to anybody else. You know, it's my date, it's my

880
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: Saturday night. And then the band that came on afterwards

881
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: was Organic Country, who are all the guys that toured

882
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: with Randy Travis? And it was just such a rad

883
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: place to just get to again, just grow up a little,

884
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, and spend my time there in a place

885
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: where the booker, the owner, bartenders, waitresses, all those people

886
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: they loved me and I loved them, and I knew

887
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I was safe going to my car at night. And

888
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: it was a place where I could spend late hours

889
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: at and a place where I trusted people, and and

890
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: it was just again, just another really amazing place to

891
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: grow up at. So you're playing at Scoreboard for three

892
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: or four hours a week, and that's a pretty long

893
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: set to sit and just play. And you know, you

894
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: read about the Beatles and when they were playing in

895
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Germany early and they were playing seven eight hour sets,

896
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: and they would say those were the most important shows

897
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: to them because they actually learned how to play, and

898
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: they learned how they could sing, and they learned when

899
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: their voices were hurt, how they needed to sing. Then, like,

900
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of learning the winto that situation. My

901
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: assumption would be that's a similar story to you, meaning

902
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: that's a long time to play. You probably have to

903
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: learn every song and how to play everything and seeing

904
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: everything right. Absolutely, Um, I waitress to a barbecue shop

905
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma for a long time and I would sing

906
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: there on the weekends as well. I would sing my

907
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday nights there, and then during the weeks

908
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I would I would waitress, and those were three hour

909
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: sets unamplified. I didn't get a microphone, I didn't get anything.

910
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I saw in the corner room maybe two of these rooms,

911
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, nothing, huge little barbecue shop, and I would

912
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: sit in the corner by the saddles and I would

913
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: play unamplified for three hours every night. And you talk

914
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: about learning to sing, That's where I learned to sing,

915
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: in the sense of to be able to project to

916
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: fill a restaurant that's cramped with seventy five people that

917
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: are all talking, you know, and everyone can still hear me.

918
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I also learned how to be background music. You know.

919
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: I knew some people came in that day for brisket.

920
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: It did not come in there for Ali Jiminy Christmas.

921
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: They wanted fried pickles and brisket, and I did too.

922
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: I was just waiting for my set to be over. Um.

923
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: But then there were nights and my grandma would come

924
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and watch, and she would just clap at people until

925
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: they would clap for me. She would just stare at

926
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: people and clap until they'd clap for me, and I

927
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: was like, thanks, Grandma, that's funny. She would she would

928
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: walk around table to table and clap, and sometimes she'd

929
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: come grab my tip jug and take it around of

930
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: different tables and you know, Pat was on it. She

931
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: was on it. And um, that was a really cool

932
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: place to grow. And then yes, take that to Scoreboard.

933
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: We're now for the first time, you're getting to learn

934
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: how to perform, because in Nashville they do come for

935
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: the music just as much as they come for the

936
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: really awesome wings that score Board has and still fried pickles.

937
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: But um, just a really great learning learning place. What

938
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: about song writing because even with your music, and this

939
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: is just me having an opinion about an art, so

940
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: there is no sex thing in the right opinion about art.

941
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like your songs, Um, I'll just make

942
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: it very simple, have gotten a lot better, but so

943
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: in the same way that you are getting better by

944
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: playing over and over again. At what point did you

945
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: start to write so much? We're like, I'm kind of

946
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: figuring out not only who I am, but how I write.

947
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Like when did that happen? I think it really started

948
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: to click when again, I just continued to surround myself

949
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: with writers that were better than me, because as a kid,

950
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: as much as I would love to say that I

951
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: got to share my writing or my artistry or any

952
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: of that stuff with my parents, I did not. My

953
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: dad and I have never wrote together. We've never sang together.

954
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: We've not done anything like that. Um. And then staying

955
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: together me and like publicly on a stage, you're staying

956
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: together at home. No, you've You've been in the living

957
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: room and been like, justice, do you I've been in

958
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: the living room and I saying before, and he's been

959
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: in the living room and he's saying before. But we

960
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: have never sang together, and you're avoiding it. Why are

961
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: you why I've singled with my wife. We both sucked,

962
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: you know what. I agree with that, and it's terrifying,

963
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think a lot of it

964
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: too is I don't know that he knew how to

965
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: navigate it either. Um. But also he sings, I cry,

966
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: I sing, he cries. That doesn't sound very good together.

967
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If one person crying even

968
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: though you heard your dad singing your whole life, and

969
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: still makes you emotional when he sings, seeing somebody do

970
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: what they were put on this planet to do and

971
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: was brave enough to do it. Will make me cry

972
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: every time. Way to rade commercials make me crying, not

973
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: crying right now watching me do this? And why why

974
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: am I not crying? Bowie? So you are songwriting with

975
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: folks who are making you a better songwriter? Yes, just

976
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: so talented and like finding the ways that we're all

977
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: sitting in the room writing the same thing, and they're

978
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: telling the story completely different than I am, you know,

979
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: And that was really cool to learn to how many

980
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: ways there are to tell the same story, and not

981
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: in a skewed way, not in a different way, you know,

982
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: but literally just a different perspective because of all the

983
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: things that we're bringing into the right that we're not

984
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, which is how we were raised

985
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: and what we experienced as kids and what we're experienced

986
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: as adults, and the relationships that we have around us.

987
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: And and I've learned too through songwriting. Nobody really looks

988
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: at love the same way, especially romantic love. You know,

989
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: a lot of people have much different expectations for what

990
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: that looks like to love somebody and what it takes

991
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: and what they expect to get in return, and you

992
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: take that and you implement it onto a narrative songwriting

993
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: of a love song, you're gonna learn a lot about

994
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: each other, you know, on what lines they think that

995
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: the characters would say, and what lines I think the

996
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: characters would say. And I think just learning that love

997
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: is not universal. I thought it was the one thing

998
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: that was very universal for us, you know and like,

999
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's so different. And and to to

1000
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: find out ways that, Okay, well, if we're gonna target

1001
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: this love song towards this love language, right, or this

1002
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: perspective or this idea, this is how we'd write it.

1003
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: But if we want to target it this way, this

1004
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: saw we'd write it. And that was something that I

1005
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: continue to learn with my co writers. Um, it's just

1006
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: the different ways to achieve the same story, which I

1007
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: think has really really helped my writing and also just

1008
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: how I process the events of my life. Well, let's

1009
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: talk about how you when you wrote Halos and Horns,

1010
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: because you played this song on the show recently, I

1011
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: mean a couple of weeks ago. Right, all the days

1012
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: are weird, Mike, would you please play some of the

1013
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: song so to go into a writing room and have

1014
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: to not have to. Sometimes you have to be a

1015
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: little more vulnerable than you're really planning to that day.

1016
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: So but to go into a room with halos and

1017
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: horns the idea, I don't know who had to, but

1018
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: you were with Eric Dodd, who I know, um Stephen Hunley,

1019
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: who I don't, But you're sitting in this room, and

1020
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: so what's what's the conversation like and how does it

1021
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: get on this sort of area to to write about?

1022
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: Stephen Henley had a song at the time that he's released.

1023
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: It's called in the Wind. I'm such a Stephen Hunley fan,

1024
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: and him and Eric and I just tend to be

1025
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: the dream team. Everything that we right, we just love,

1026
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: we love so much. And he had had this song

1027
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: for a while that was just centered on blame it

1028
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: on my cowboy ways. And I thought, man, how rad

1029
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: would that be to it for a female to get

1030
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: to sing this song about hey, you blame and all

1031
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: my cowboy ways, you know? And I loved it so much,

1032
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: but I also loved how Stephen sang it so much,

1033
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: so I was like, listen, keep it. I'm not trying

1034
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: to take your song. I don't want it whatever. But like,

1035
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: that's so cool, and so he had the hook Halos

1036
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: and Horns, and he was like, all right, well, if

1037
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: you won't take in the wind, do you like this

1038
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: title and you want to write it with me? I said, yes, um,

1039
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: let's do it. And so Stephen had brought the hook

1040
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: in that day and we just talked about that, that

1041
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: whole narrative, you know, that we had mentioned on the show,

1042
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: of just good and evil and what that looked like

1043
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: in Halos and Horns. To a lot of people, you know,

1044
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: they see a left and right shoulder, and they see,

1045
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, angels and devils and stuff like that. I

1046
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: see bulls and cowboys and dirt and and just like

1047
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: that archaic story of the cowboy, you know, and and

1048
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: good and evil and how everything to them is always

1049
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: chalked up to either they worked too hard to love somebody,

1050
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: or they're too scared to love somebody so they leave,

1051
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: or they're just a rambling man, all of those things.

1052
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: And I thought, no, I think the conversation is much

1053
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: deeper than that. And I've always related to a cowboy

1054
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: my whole life. I don't know what is so lame

1055
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: to me about the term cowgirl, but it just is

1056
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: and I hate that so much. I feel like women

1057
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: who are cow are just cowboy. I feel like they're

1058
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: cowboy cowboys exactly. They're cowboys. And so I've always been

1059
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: a cowboy, and we just thought that would be so cool.

1060
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: So we just dug in that day on what that

1061
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: would look like. Um, and you know, the cowboy is

1062
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: always almost it's so often associated with with with God. Cowboys,

1063
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, talk about God and faith a lot too,

1064
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and all of those things, and and

1065
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: and that was a really interesting thing to bring in,

1066
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: just that opening line, if I'm a Sunday morning center

1067
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: in a white church, you know, like I'm just I'm

1068
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: an artist that doesn't deserve to do this, who gets

1069
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: to do it every single day and hopefully gets to

1070
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life. And that was just

1071
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of what we just kept putting my artist narrative

1072
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: into a cowboy life and and wrote halos and horns

1073
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of it. I was reading this

1074
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: article and People magazine about you, which by the way,

1075
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: it's a really great article, thank you, and a few

1076
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: lines stuck out to me. In a pool a couple here,

1077
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: you said, I got to grow up. I got to

1078
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: see a lot of things in this industry. A lot

1079
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: of people don't find out until it's thrown at them.

1080
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: What it? What is that what we're referring to thrown

1081
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: at them. I think the invasion of privacy is a

1082
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: big one. I don't think people understand how much of

1083
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: of a of a personality and a connection they can

1084
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: place on you. Right. So I learned very early that

1085
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: when I got picked up from school, Okay, it's a

1086
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: fifteen minute drive home, I get to go home in

1087
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. And that's because they're going to be

1088
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: people at the gate, and my dad is the artists

1089
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: of all artists, and it's going to talk to them,

1090
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna have to sit in the car,

1091
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, and wait on him to go and talk

1092
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: to these people that I didn't really understand why they

1093
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: were outside the gate. Um. And then I get to

1094
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: go home and play, you know, and then I get

1095
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: to go home and do that. Um, I needed a

1096
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: grocery store was going to take a long time. And

1097
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I also knew that I didn't get to go out

1098
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: and meet people at the grocery store who would ask us,

1099
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: what are you guys? Doing for the rest of the

1100
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: day and we'd be like, oh, we're go get ice cream,

1101
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: And then I was always so confused as to why

1102
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: those people were at ice cream after the store, you know,

1103
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: And I just I learned consistently through my whole life,

1104
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: just that want a huge invasion of privacy from fans

1105
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: that again, my parents, I don't think how a clue

1106
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: how to navigate and navigated it in such an amazing way.

1107
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of them for for how they did

1108
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: navigate that as parents and things like that. But that

1109
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: was a big one for me. Um also just learning,

1110
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: you know what you were talking about, how it shifts

1111
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: from I'm learn all the time and don't trust people.

1112
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: So now why are these people in my life? I

1113
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: was going to ask you that because now I there

1114
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: was never a friendship or like way, I'm fearful for

1115
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: you now, or a handshake or anything ever that happened

1116
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: to me as a kid that I didn't have to

1117
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: ask myself, why are these people talking to me? Why

1118
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: am I invited to the sleepover? Who's going to drop

1119
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: me off with a sleepover? But were you thinking about

1120
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: that as a kid? Yeah? I had to because I

1121
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: learned very early negative instances where I was shown it,

1122
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't learn it by observation.

1123
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: I learned it by experiencing it. Um And I think

1124
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: that too, you know. It's it's such a beautiful desire

1125
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: to want to grow up and to do music and

1126
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: to move to this town and to do all those things.

1127
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't expect any of those artists to ever think about. Okay,

1128
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: what can you see in the background of my social post?

1129
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Can you see my house number? Can you see a

1130
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: landmark that's very identifiable to where people now know where

1131
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: I live? You know? Can you can you see those things?

1132
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Because just as an adult, I've had people show up

1133
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: to my house and that's very uncomfortable. And I had

1134
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: to quit taking videos in my backyard, you know. And

1135
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: I had to quit doing all these things. And and

1136
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine moving to this town and having to

1137
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: learn all that and as not of a safe environment

1138
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: as I got to learn it growing up. Yeah, and

1139
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: again you have to be I mean, how do you

1140
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: separate now? I don't know. Um, for the first time,

1141
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm in my artist career. Also, I'm I'm single for

1142
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: the first time. I was married and I'm not anymore.

1143
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: And I have not even dabbled with that life. You

1144
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: know that sounds absolutely terrifying, you know, and and figuring

1145
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: that out and and trying to learn how to meet

1146
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: new people and how to go on about those relationships,

1147
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: and just as much so in my friendships, you know again.

1148
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I just keep such a

1149
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: close corner and I love people. You know, I'm very

1150
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: quick to be like, hey, if you see me out,

1151
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: come say hi to me. Let's go making plans. I

1152
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: don't make plans with a lot of people. I really don't.

1153
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: It's especially when it comes to dating, because I went

1154
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: from somebody who couldn't get a date to say my

1155
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: life two. It was a pretty quick when I started

1156
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: to get success, then it was everybody want and I

1157
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: was like, I have not changed, Like I look the same,

1158
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: smell the same, and now a lot of people want

1159
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: to go out with me. So then I started to

1160
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: go anybody that wants to go out with me, they

1161
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: only want to go out. But then I was making

1162
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: my life harder than it had to be. Yes, I

1163
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: should have always been looking um and paying attention to

1164
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: who was coming into the circle. And I still struggle

1165
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: with that mightily. But I was sabotaging myself to the

1166
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: point where I allowed nobody and I was like, nope,

1167
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: nobody want to go out with me. Nobody's going out

1168
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: with me now, and we're you know, we're not We're

1169
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: not doing that. Um. And then it took me to

1170
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: really meet my wife, who was the first person who

1171
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: does not give a crap so so much so that

1172
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I get annoyed. I'm like, do you know who

1173
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: I am? I'm like, look, look we just did. She's like, hey,

1174
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: the dog's crapped. It's in that second room. And so

1175
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: it is such a weird but positive balance for me.

1176
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: And then I just it has to be something that

1177
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: you deal with constantly. And again, if you're single, now

1178
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: it's something that's gonna be in the back of your head.

1179
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: And but I think you have the right like the

1180
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: right attitude. You surround yourself with people that you trust,

1181
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Like you know, Bay or Laura whatever you call what

1182
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: do you call her Laura? How did you guys become friends?

1183
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: So Laura's father is one of my dad's best friends.

1184
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: He's been kind of like, uh, I've always called him

1185
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: his farm hands. He is absolutely everything. I mean, he's

1186
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: an amazing contractor, he's he was a retired chief firefighter,

1187
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: all of those things. But he's always just helped my dad,

1188
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, maintained the property and just helped dad do life,

1189
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, and all of those things he always has.

1190
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: So his MoMA, Laura's grandma, was my nanny growing up.

1191
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Bey's grandmother was your nanny. Got it, Yes, So she

1192
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: was my nanny growing up and we spent all of

1193
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: our time together. She was my best friend. And her

1194
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: name is Polly. And so that's how I met Laura, who,

1195
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: at the time our age difference made it kind of

1196
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: hard for us to be close friends. Now right back

1197
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: to where we started, you know, and especially once I

1198
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: moved here, she was like, hey, you know, let's let's

1199
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: get lunch, let's get the coffee, and then you know,

1200
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: just instantly got back to where we used to be

1201
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: when we were kids and that kind of thing, and

1202
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: so I got really close with her. Um. But yes,

1203
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: just surround myself with with people that have always been

1204
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: there and and in my mind sometimes have no reason

1205
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: to be there, you know, sometimes like why are you here?

1206
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: It would also here's my advice, you don't need my advice,

1207
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: but I'm happy to give it because I'm not a therapist.

1208
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: But I am a doctor. Now you are a doctor

1209
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: well deserved. No, not at all. But sometimes what I

1210
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: found was letting the people that I trust help me

1211
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: do things that seemed a bit uncomfortable for me. But

1212
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: because I trusted them, it was easier and it worked

1213
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: out positively more than not. Do you have an example, Um,

1214
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: I do, and I give you an example. Outside of romance,

1215
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't take any of you. If somebody comes up

1216
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: to me and they go, hey, here's my song or

1217
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: here's my whatever it is, I won't I won't listen

1218
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: to it. I just won't because I don't, not because

1219
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't like music or new music, or I do

1220
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: love it all. But I can't just go yeah, I

1221
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: let me, let's do it for a couple of reasons. One,

1222
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: if I'm writing comedy music, I don't want to steal

1223
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: some of of his melody if I'm not thinking about it.

1224
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: If I hear something, I'm like, oh, that's a great

1225
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. Don't want to get sued.

1226
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: And then two, I don't want to tell somebody I

1227
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: don't listen to new music and they're like, no, no no, no,

1228
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: what you did that. My friend Christoper here said, you

1229
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: listen to his right and they'll ourt you every time.

1230
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: So I just want to be consistent, so I don't listen.

1231
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: But the way for people to get music to me

1232
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: is not by getting it to me. It's by getting

1233
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: to pe boll that I trust to get it to me.

1234
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like my love filter, you know, because

1235
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm very close to them. They're gonna watch out for me.

1236
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: But if something is so good that they know I

1237
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: might like it or might not, they will go, I'm

1238
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: filtering this through. I think this is great. And they

1239
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: all have the ability to do that. All there's like

1240
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: four but they all if it's friends, if it's music,

1241
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: if it's any of those things, they are my filter two.

1242
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: Now everybody's gonna go to my people. But that's how

1243
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: things as my career started to get weird, That's how

1244
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: things then got to me. That's a beautiful way to

1245
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: share too, And I think a very a very brave

1246
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: one as well, because from the outside looking in you

1247
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: you seem to kind of be a little little little

1248
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: control freaks. Sometimes not a little, a lot, a lot

1249
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot. I was being kind a lot, and I

1250
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: think that's a beautiful way for you to share with

1251
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: the people that that you care about and then you trust.

1252
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying, So trust some people to

1253
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: help you because you trust them in other ways. I'll

1254
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: leave that there. I'll put a pen in it. We'll

1255
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: leave that there. I do want to play a little

1256
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: bit of work in progress, and this is Mark. You

1257
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: wrote this with Marcus Hummond, with Marcus Hummond and Gregg Beck.

1258
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: It's so funny. You know the like off the top

1259
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: of your head, but Marcus is Levi's dad, and I

1260
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: know Levi pretty well. Marcus also written so many massive songs.

1261
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: But here is work in progress. I think you did

1262
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: this on the first Did you perform this the first time?

1263
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: This was the first one because it was our debut single,

1264
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: was our biggest release, and you guys are kind enough

1265
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: to let us come on and share our first release

1266
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: on the show. I was like, I know that, and

1267
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: you know again, just total transparency here. Whenever I had

1268
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: heard the song and I was like, yes, that's a

1269
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: good song, and she didn't come in. I was like,

1270
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be cause she's a

1271
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: ba his friend, Like really, it was like an extra part.

1272
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I cannot penalize

1273
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: her for being friends with somebody that I'm very close

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: to well and at all fair gonna say you might

1275
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: not remember this, but I'll hold you to it anyway,

1276
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: because he said it, and I have proof these sets,

1277
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: so it's out there. I think it was maybe sixteen

1278
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: or something. This was the day that I learned I

1279
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: do not have the luxury of covering my dad's songs.

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00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: My dad has this beautiful song called She's every Woman,

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00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: and I love it. I love it since I was

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: a kid. I always thought, man, if someone hears that

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00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: and thinks about me, I nailed it, Like I nailed

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do. That's my person. Let's go.

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00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: And I love that song. So I covered it. I

1286
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: put it on Facebook. You had shared it on the show,

1287
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: and you played it on the show, and you'd even mentioned, man,

1288
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: this is Garth's daughter and she's doing stuff that must

1289
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: be kind of hard for her, you know, to figure

1290
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: out and to do, and you don't all that stuff.

1291
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: And you did an open invitation. You sent me an

1292
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: open invitation to the show. He said, I don't know you.

1293
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, Alli, but if you ever

1294
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: hear this, you know, open invitation come on the show.

1295
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: We'd love to do whatever. I freaked out about missing

1296
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: an opportunity because I was like, why I can't go

1297
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: on the show now because I don't have any music

1298
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: to promote. That'd be stupid. What if I only get

1299
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: one chance? Whatever? What do I do? Ray goes he

1300
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: likes letters, and I said, let's go. I wrote you

1301
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: a letter, said he gave it to you. I don't

1302
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: know if he did. I don't know if he ever

1303
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: got anything. But it was just me explaining how one

1304
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: stoked I was. Do you recognized to I don't have

1305
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: anything to promote. I have to deal with my dad.

1306
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: I had to get through college. Three if at some

1307
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: point in the future ever the opportunity rises again like

1308
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: I would love to do it. And then three years

1309
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: after that, which I do not expect. You remember I

1310
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: got to come on the show. That's crazy. I have

1311
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: the audio file. Yeah, I'm saying it is, I believe,

1312
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: but there are two things that probably happened. One Ray

1313
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: Price Sole the letter, and and and probably not though

1314
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: really I that is that is a really interesting story.

1315
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Well, So what's the goal?

1316
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean musically, what is where do you want to be?

1317
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: What do you want to be doing in five years,

1318
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: in ten years? Like, what's the goal? When you see yourself?

1319
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: I want to be doing this? I am. I love performing.

1320
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: I love performing so much more so than that, I

1321
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: really do, genuinely love the people that I meet on

1322
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: the road. Um I for the most part, um vs.

1323
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: And here in studio with us today, Bev and I

1324
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: sell all my merch after the show together, UM and

1325
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: I get to meet all these people in my merche

1326
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: lines and they're so kind and they have all these

1327
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: crazy stories, and I'm sure the next day they're like,

1328
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe I told her that I was so drunk,

1329
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I remember all of it, Sherry, I

1330
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: got to I know you said. And I just get

1331
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: to meet these people and I get to find out

1332
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: so much about people, and I don't ever want that

1333
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: to stop happening. Um And as as much as I

1334
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: would love to envision myself and have before and dream

1335
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: about it doing huge arenas and stadiums and all those stuff,

1336
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: they're such a sweet spot and like and this is

1337
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: still a lot of people, so don't get me wrong,

1338
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: but liked seat theaters that were like built for music.

1339
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's my favorite thing to play to it.

1340
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: It's the most it's their ratizing on the planet. And

1341
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I still have not really been lucky enough to get

1342
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: to really to to to sell those kinds of tickets

1343
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But but to be on supporting

1344
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: shows where I've got to do that, or even just

1345
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: when you go into those tiny you know, circle downtown

1346
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: square towns, that that's the only thing they had to

1347
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: do that night, so they bought to it's before even

1348
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: knowing who was on the lineup, you know, like those shows,

1349
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: those are my favorite shows across the board. And and

1350
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: and to get to do that for the rest of

1351
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: my life and spend time in those intimate settings where

1352
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of people in that opportunity to

1353
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: have all those words sang back to you in to

1354
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: fill a room and do all that stuff that would

1355
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: be amazing. And to do it in this country and

1356
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: all the other countries, and and just travel and play

1357
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: my music and and help people validate their own stories

1358
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: in their own lifelines. Coolest gig on the planet. I

1359
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: had two questions for you here. If we're on an

1360
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: hour here, which is great. Be tired. Okay, I'm a

1361
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: little tired, but not because of femst like because I

1362
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: did get out with three oclock this morning. Yeah, exactly,

1363
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: You're only going to bed. I ask you're tired because

1364
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: you told me that this is like your wake, your

1365
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: complete inverted schedule than I am. I am inverted schedules.

1366
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: Have any of your songs that there's a rumor been

1367
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: inspired by Ray and Bay's life? Like Ray claims yes,

1368
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: very very loosely, but yes, yes, are you serious? I

1369
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: really thought that would be a no, we'd fun No

1370
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: it is. I know. No, we can still make fun

1371
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: of them. I have a whole list of things. Let's

1372
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: just go right to it. Then playing house familiar? Was

1373
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: that about Ray not marrying Bay for six years? It

1374
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: was about It wasn't about them, but yes it was.

1375
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: So we're talking about lyrics, were writing the song, Um,

1376
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: we're doing all of these things. Um. And they were like, man,

1377
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: you know these people are just why are they Why

1378
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: are they playing house? Like? What about them is playing house?

1379
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: And I made the mistake of being like, well, my

1380
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: best friend is in a relationship that has it's beautiful

1381
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: and it's kind of it's awesome, but there is like

1382
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: a stagnancy to it, you know, in the place of

1383
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: like it's not growing, but also shout out to Ray

1384
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: in the sense of I've told Bay to propose to

1385
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: Ray for years. I was like, I was like, if

1386
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: this is what you want and you talk about it

1387
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: so much, go do it, Like, go make it happen,

1388
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I love them

1389
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: always went on both their sides all these things. But yes,

1390
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: but they're like, Okay, what is that look like, what

1391
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: is it not? And they're like, well, how long have

1392
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: they been together? And I was like, I was like,

1393
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: and at the time it was probably three or four years.

1394
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: So then we buffered that and added two more and

1395
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: did six. But that is the own like that is

1396
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: a very loose connection to me when it comes to

1397
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: the narrative of playing house. But I think you talked

1398
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: that into reality because it was six years before they

1399
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: got married. They really did. They really did. Uh. So

1400
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: fairs and festivals, you're out opening, you're doing a lot

1401
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: of stuff. Open up. Scottymcury, big and rich, Nitty gritty

1402
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: dirt band. People can go to Ali Colleen music dot

1403
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: com if you want to get tickets. Um, what do

1404
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: you do the rest of the day today with your

1405
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: inverted schedule at the time to breakfast oatmeal on after this?

1406
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, definitely definitely summolpe meal after this was probably

1407
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: like a cheeseburger in it. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Um.

1408
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: And then I got home last night from a twelve

1409
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: day trip and landed and had to go go go

1410
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: play around. Got to play around. Had the amazing opportunity

1411
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: to go play around, is what I meant to say, Um,

1412
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: in midtown, So went and did that. After this, I

1413
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: go pick up my dog, I go pick up mary

1414
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: moo pants and we go home and we nap until tomorrow. Yeah,

1415
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: I think I want to go home in naptil tomorrow.

1416
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: To Mike, it's been great hanging with you for now.

1417
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, that's been really good. You guys.

1418
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: All you have to do is go follow Ali Colleen

1419
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: at Ali Colleen Music on Instagram and I'm just gonna

1420
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: and same on TikTok um. Your Twitter is different. But

1421
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: who cares? Meaning nobody? No one cares about my time,

1422
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: Like Twitter, but just to read it. And now I

1423
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: think I tweeted yesterday for the first time forever, and

1424
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: it was toast is plural. I don't care who you are.

1425
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: Toast is plural. You bring me two pieces of toast.

1426
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: There's an option of toast. You bring me two pieces

1427
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: of toast. That's interesting. I never thought about that. I

1428
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: thought you were just saying, yeah, so I'd like some toast, okay,

1429
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: And that's what happened yesterday. Ali great to spend time

1430
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: with you. You guys go and stream halos and horns,

1431
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: and if Ali is near you, I suggest that you go.

1432
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: If you can't go, go watch her play. And she's

1433
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: opening it for one of these guys, Scotty or Nitty

1434
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: Gritty or Big and Rich? Right said big and rich?

1435
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: Are they playing together? Still? They get along? It's all

1436
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: on the same post as I know, are thinking along.

1437
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I know them both. I

1438
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: mean they're smart enough to know to keep playing, you know,

1439
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: going because people want to see them get along for

1440
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: a few minutes. Yeah, get along all right? There? There

1441
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: she is, Ali cooln Thank you. Al