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Speaker 1: Hey there, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Betting Pros NFL Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Harris.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris Adie.

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Speaker 1: The NFL Draft is about to be here, thankfully we

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Speaker 1: will have something to focus on in this crazy world

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Speaker 1: that we're in. With me to break down some of

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Speaker 1: our favorite prop bets is my good friend Rich Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You can find him over at the grid Iron Gamble

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Speaker 1: podcast and on Twitter at rich t Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Rich How are you gambling? It's something, right, are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you going crazy on Madden simulations or anything like that?

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Speaker 3: You know, I picked up NBA two K kind of

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Speaker 3: when this whole thing was starting, and I've been grinding

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Speaker 3: that a little bit. But no, the simulating, my favorite

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Speaker 3: is the folks that are simulating like old games. I'm

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Speaker 3: talking like NCAA basketball game, and I guess old is

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Speaker 3: a relative terms and sign. I'm in my young thirties,

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Speaker 3: but I'm talking like mid two thousands college basketball games

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Speaker 3: and just throwing it up. But yeah, you could tell

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Speaker 3: last night, recording this on a Monday morning, how thirsty

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Speaker 3: everybody was for just even a semblance of sports as

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Speaker 3: we all live. Tweeted the Michael Jordan documentary.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing though, right, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they oversold it. It had so much hype coming

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Speaker 1: into it, but I think it pretty much delivered for

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Speaker 1: the first two episodes.

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Speaker 3: Oh and behind the scenes, the team that's doing this

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Speaker 3: or doing amazing work. This was supposed to be delivered

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Speaker 3: in June. Evidently the last five episodes haven't even been

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Speaker 3: completed yet in the editing bay. So the time and

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Speaker 3: effort that these guys are putting in to cut this

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Speaker 3: and something that you know, we're enjoying it now, but

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is gonna last, you know, many lifetimes

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Speaker 3: beyond this as kind of the the documentary about Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: For them to be under that time crunch is pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing an amazing job. It really did deliver,

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Speaker 1: at least the first two episodes. I'm sure the rest

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Speaker 1: will be great. I'm excited to show it to my son,

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Speaker 1: who is obsessed with Lebron because he is obsessed with

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Speaker 1: all great athletes, he's pretty much a front runner. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to show him, you know, teach him about Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan through this with you know, the the edited version

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Speaker 2: Version of I mean, he's six, so we have to

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Speaker 2: be careful.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, all of that was a nice little return

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Speaker 1: to sports, shall we say. But now we've got something tangible,

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Speaker 1: We've got something real. We've got the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be weird. Okay, it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Really really weird with everyone doing it remotely, everyone on

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Speaker 1: zoom and calls, and I'm really kind of secretly hoping

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be various technical mishaps and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, just because it'll be fun to watch. But

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Speaker 1: either way, everyone is going to be watching it, and

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Speaker 1: everyone is finally going to have something real to gamble on.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to do today. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of our favorite prop bets. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be using the consensus lines as we always do.

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Speaker 1: Over at bettingpros dot com. You can get the draft

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Speaker 1: props one at Bettingpros dot com slash Draft hyphen props.

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Speaker 1: You can see there's a whole range of things, as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Rich will also be doing. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can do specific players or teams or whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to do. So we're gonna go through just a few

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Speaker 1: of our favorite ones here and we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: out of curiosity. Rich you correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: and please don't take this the wrong way. You've been

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Speaker 1: on this podcast several times. You are a Jets van.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Yes, as am I. So I mean named after

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Speaker 3: the great Richard Todd. A lifetime of misery. Yeah, my

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Speaker 3: father is an insane person, somehow convincing my mom to

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Speaker 3: name me Richard Todd Ryan. But yes, a lifetime of

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Speaker 3: misery thirty two years so far, and a lifetime beyond

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Speaker 3: this undoubtedly.

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Speaker 1: Well I've got thirty nine, so I'm beating you there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, out of here, do any of your favorite

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Speaker 4: I had to come on, I had to Jets.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll save it. Then we'll save it. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you whether or not you

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Speaker 2: So anyway, you can start us off Jets or not.

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Speaker 1: But what's your first one that you're looking at here?

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Speaker 3: So this part of draft season is very intriguing to

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Speaker 3: me because if you take the long view, if you

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Speaker 3: And as we progress through this process and get closer

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Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I'm very impressed that you did

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Speaker 3: And it's it's not the wonderlick, right. That whole story

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Speaker 3: He scored a nineteen. The average is a twenty. So

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Speaker 3: let's get that crappy narrative out of here.

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Speaker 1: Also, by the way, just to be clear, I mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's get that out of here. It's more

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Speaker 3: sourcing and not the player evaluation, the first prop bet

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Speaker 2: So I do like it. I'm buying this.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything that's coming out, and again you talked

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Speaker 1: like that, because that's really irrelevant when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: this is in no way faulting you whatsoever, because this

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Speaker 1: has happened to me six times today to talk.

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Speaker 2: About where we are, which is why.

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Speaker 1: You really need to move as soon as you get

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Speaker 1: an inkling on what you want to do. The consensus

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Speaker 1: odds right now have dropped to even on to A

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Speaker 1: So I have a tuo prop as well. I'm going

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Speaker 1: at plus five hundred. It was at you right. You

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Speaker 1: It would you know, whether you know, bring fans, which

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Speaker 1: getting you know, plus five hundred, it wasn't as great.

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Speaker 3: Evan Silva, the famed Evan Silva, who I believe had

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Cardinals are going to Josh Rosen

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned Sead his son is a very analytical guy.

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Speaker 1: I throw another real curveball out at you and just

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Speaker 1: trade up to do it. You know, even with him

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Speaker 4: It just doesn't seem like something Bill would do. Trading back?

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Speaker 3: Is this mantra He's He's understood faster than anybody that

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Speaker 3: as you can throw, the more successful you're going to

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Speaker 3: I think he's a bit arrogant as to who could

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Speaker 3: to peoples that full steam ahead with this Stidham thing,

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Speaker 4: But right, could Bill do it? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, enough with the Matt Castle thing, all right, when

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Speaker 1: all right, so we've both got our Toua props out

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Speaker 3: We yeah, just real quick, if you think we're both

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Speaker 3: we're wrong. Value is probably there to a third overall

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Speaker 3: and then you select your props based upon that to

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Speaker 3: the consensus odds. It's plus one fifty on DraftKings. If

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Speaker 3: you want to do a little price shopping the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 2: It just moved, By the way, this is not a joke.

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Speaker 1: I looked at this because it's part of one of

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Speaker 1: it just moved back to one fifty the consensus line.

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Speaker 1: But it was at plus one twenty five an hour ago.

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Speaker 1: Not a huge deal here in this context, at least

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Speaker 1: best line anyway, Go ahead, Okudah third plus one fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the lines tore apart their secondary. Traded Quandre Digs

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Speaker 3: And again this is all based upon nobody trading up

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Speaker 1: I think Okuda is gonna probably go to the Lions,

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Speaker 1: Plus five hundred, and I think that that's probably why

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Speaker 1: because I think there's some buzz about him potentially going

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, they need a cornerback.

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Speaker 1: As you adequately laid out, but they have also not goodness,

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Speaker 1: So it was when I checked at minus one seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: You've got Carolina at seven, they obviously need to revamp

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the price isn't as great, but the move should

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Hold on.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna check as we talk right now, just to

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Speaker 2: All right? Well?

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Speaker 3: I reference this earlier the Fantasy Pro's mock draft rankings.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Don't like him. He's got a good impersonation. But mel

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Speaker 3: Once again, Dave Gettlman refuses to trade backwards because that's

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Speaker 1: He's got the binder, though, Man, he's got that giant

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Speaker 3: the Giants pick. Everybody thinks, and this is probably correct,

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Speaker 3: they should go offensive lineman. Ye, he's got Isaiah Simmons,

436
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 3: the versatile linebacker from Clemson, do it all guy. He

437
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 3: could even sneak back and play box safety. And right

438
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 3: now that price is plus three to fifty and as

439
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Speaker 3: we noted, while I was doing research this morning, it

440
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 3: was plus four hundred, So the market is moving in

441
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Speaker 3: the other direction. Why would the Giants not select an

442
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman when they have so much equity in Barkley

443
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Speaker 3: and Daniel Jones. I don't know, but mel Kiper seems

444
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Speaker 3: to have the finger on the pulse of Dave Gettlelman.

445
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Speaker 3: So give me Isaiah Simmons first Giants player selected.

446
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that just blows a hole in my

447
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: next one, but you know whatever, that's fine, all right.

448
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: So Kuiper has come out with it, and okay, he's

449
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: got his finger on.

450
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Speaker 2: The pulse if you want to say that.

451
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Speaker 1: Look I had You know, it doesn't have to be

452
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Speaker 1: the Giants, but I was thinking it would be the Giants.

453
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily blow it up. But I was going

454
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Speaker 1: to have the first offensive lineman drafted as Jedrick Wills

455
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Speaker 1: at minus one twenty. And to me, you know, you've

456
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Speaker 1: got the four big offensive linemen right now, right, You've

457
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Speaker 1: got Wills, You've got Werfs, you've got Thomas, you've got

458
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Speaker 1: Becken Beckden probably is going to be the last of

459
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Speaker 1: the group, you assume now with his off the field issues,

460
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Speaker 1: you really got the big three.

461
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Speaker 2: You can go any which way with it.

462
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Speaker 1: I mean, Wurfs's is plus one pint eighty right now,

463
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Speaker 1: Thomas's plus four hundred. Unless I've missed something again in

464
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Speaker 1: the last ten minutes. That's sort of changing these odds.

465
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Speaker 1: I thought he was going to go to the Giants. Now, look,

466
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Speaker 1: mel Kuipers, there are a million mock drafts, and yeah,

467
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: he wasn't that accurate last year or anything like that.

468
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: That's not going to change us early the way I feel.

469
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Speaker 1: But the odds are moving. If the juice is moving,

470
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Speaker 1: that that could indicate something. But to me, look, it

471
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Speaker 1: strikes me as him as Will's going to the Giants.

472
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Speaker 2: They've got the whole Alabama, you know.

473
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Speaker 1: Patriots jojud sort of connection which has always seemed to work.

474
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Speaker 1: You draft a franchise quarterback, you really need to protect them.

475
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Speaker 1: To be fair, Simmons would do a lot for their team.

476
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Speaker 1: They need help pretty much everywhere, but you really need

477
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Speaker 1: help on the offensive line, and to me, Will's is

478
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Speaker 1: really the guy, and the odds again with the intel,

479
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: have been moving towards Wills lately. They really they've they've

480
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Speaker 1: just got to do something in the end, even if

481
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Speaker 1: they don't, even if they don't. Okay, so we're talking

482
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Speaker 1: not saying he's gonna go number four, not saying he's

483
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Speaker 1: necessarily going to go to the Giants, just that he's

484
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Speaker 1: the first guy drafted. If the Giants do go to Simmons,

485
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Speaker 1: the next one up would probably be.

486
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Speaker 2: My guess is Arizona.

487
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Speaker 1: They'd probably be looking at something they really need to

488
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Speaker 1: shore up their right tackle. Right they've got Humphreys on

489
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Speaker 1: the left. He could slide right in there. He wouldn't

490
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: need to learn a new position or anything like that.

491
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Speaker 1: He knows exactly how to play it. So for me,

492
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be the first guy off

493
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Speaker 1: the board. I'm still sticking with my prediction that it's

494
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Speaker 1: going to be on the Giants. But even if not,

495
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Speaker 1: I still think that he's going to go before Wurf's

496
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Speaker 1: and Thomas, who I think will probably go two and three.

497
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Speaker 3: Look, everything you're saying makes a lot of sense. You know,

498
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Speaker 3: if I was in that position, I would either be

499
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Speaker 3: trading back or securing that offensive line as well. When

500
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Speaker 3: I've got Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley.

501
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Speaker 1: But you're not tave Gettleman, Gettleman. No, I get it,

502
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, and again you don't. You

503
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Speaker 1: don't need the Giants to take them to be right

504
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: on this pick. Right, I mean, I'm assuming that they're

505
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Speaker 1: gonna but even if not, I think Wills is a

506
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Speaker 1: guy who look, they're all really really good. Okay, the

507
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: big four, they're all really good. Any one of them

508
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: can step right into the NFL and play probably an

509
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Speaker 1: elite level. But to me, I think Wills is you know,

510
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: whether you know Worf's may be a little more polished,

511
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: but especially you know, he can he can step right

512
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Speaker 1: in at right tackle and be ready to go from

513
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Speaker 1: day one. So it's hard to see him getting past

514
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Speaker 1: to me Arizona if he goes there, And I don't

515
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Speaker 1: think somebody's gonna be selected before that. So I'm still

516
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Speaker 1: good with Will's first offensive linemen selected at minus one twenty.

517
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Speaker 3: Let's keep it on the offensive lineman trained, okay, and

518
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Speaker 3: I will take the over on six and a half's

519
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Speaker 3: offensive linemen selected in the first round. This is the

520
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Speaker 3: first bet that I'm offering where you're paying a little

521
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: bit of juice minus one p fifty five is the

522
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Speaker 3: consensus odds. But you brought up the first and most

523
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Speaker 3: important part of this to me is that not only

524
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Speaker 3: are those top four worfs Willis, Becton Thomas probably going

525
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Speaker 3: to in the first round, They're probably gonna go in

526
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Speaker 3: the first half of the first round. So then we

527
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: only need to sneak through three more guys in the

528
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: last sixteen picks. And there's a handful of offensive lineman

529
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Speaker 3: where you have to pay juice on DraftKings to bet

530
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Speaker 3: that they will be drafted in the first round. The

531
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: highest amounts of juice you're paying are minus five hundred

532
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Speaker 3: for Austin Jackson and minus three thirty five for Josh Jones.

533
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: And then you have Caesar Ruiz, Ezra Cleveland and Isaiah

534
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: Wilson that you have to pay juice for, as well

535
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: a lot of offensive line needy teams in the middle

536
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: late selections of the first round, Dolphins, Vikings, Seahawks, and

537
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: I would even lump in the Titans and Ravens in there. Yeah,

538
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: who lost to Conklin to the Browns for the Titans

539
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: and then yonda to retirement for the Ravens. So offensive

540
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: line is so important even good teams. It always helps you.

541
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Speaker 3: Look at the Eagles last year, if they went strength

542
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: on strength by selecting a leftie even though they already

543
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: had Jason Peters at the position. I think you can't

544
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: go wrong by selecting some of these guys. And yeah,

545
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: I like the over round six and a half.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with it. And I think you

547
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: bring up a really good point, which has again the

548
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: big four. Yeah, they're all going to be gone in

549
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: the first half of the draft, so you really only

550
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: need three more. Everybody needs offensive lineman. It's a good

551
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: draft for it. It's a deep draft, so I like it,

552
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be willing to pay so much more

553
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: on this next one that I'm gonna go to. And again,

554
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little bit of an offshoot

555
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: for it, and that's under four and a half quarterbacks

556
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. Now you know the big three,

557
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: we've talked about them already. You assume Jordan Love is

558
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: probably gonna go in the first round, So then you've

559
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: got Easen You've got from I like Hurts personally, I mean,

560
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of upside, but they're

561
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: not going to go in the first round. Now, look,

562
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: everybody knows that, which is why the odds are astronomical.

563
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: It's minus five sixty for the under, so let's talk

564
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: about it. You're winning eighteen dollars essentially on one hundred

565
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: dollars bet, so that's not really something that's gonna wow anything.

566
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's as safe as they come. But

567
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out another one because of that, and

568
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: that's Jordan Love over pick nineteen and a half.

569
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: That's at minus one seventy seven, So that's still just

570
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: pretty good.

571
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't love Jordan Love, to put it frankly, and

572
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I again, I know this is much more about the

573
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: intel that you know we're getting from teams, and there

574
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: seems to be a little bit mixed here with Love.

575
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: But for me, it just I cannot see him going

576
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: that early. There's really one possibility absent somebody training up

577
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: for him, which I really don't think, and that's the Raiders,

578
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: who would be at nineteen. And I just don't think

579
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that that's what the Raiders are gonna do right now.

580
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: I know they're not in love with car. They do

581
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: have Mariota, but they're a competitive team right now. I

582
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: think they're over under a seven and a half. You

583
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: can obviously see them beating that pretty easily if things

584
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: go right.

585
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: They've got two.

586
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Picks, you know, in the time, so they can add

587
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: two real playmakers to help them this year. So I

588
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: really don't think that that's gonna happen. So after that,

589
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, you've got the Jags at twenty if if

590
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, they don't go with Tua and nine. In

591
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: my one of my earlier selections, you've maybe the Patriots

592
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: is twenty three, but either way, all that's going to

593
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: be past pick twenty.

594
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: So it's really for me.

595
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: I can't see a team training up to get Jordan Love,

596
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: so it's really for me whether or not the Raiders

597
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: are going to take them in nineteen, and I just

598
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident given you know, the Raiders were,

599
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, somehow in playoff contention all last year. They're

600
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna and that was with Antonio Brown dropping out right

601
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: before the season started. So right now they get a

602
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: little more time to prep. Of course, they've already got

603
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Mariota as their backup or you know, whatever you want

604
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: to call it.

605
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: QUB competition. You've got two top twenty picks.

606
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it's something where they're going to be able

607
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: to possibly make some Nois this year, and I think

608
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: that's where they're going to be focused on rather than

609
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: their quarterback.

610
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Of the future.

611
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: So for me, give me over nineteen and a half

612
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: Jordan Love and that is minus one seventy seven.

613
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like both of these. I mean, in what

614
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: world are hurts or Easan going in the first round

615
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: just doesn't seem likely whatsoever. And but that juice is

616
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: it's grossy, it's crazy.

617
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not you You're risking one hundred dollars

618
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: to win eighteen. That's crazy. And again that's been getting worse.

619
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: But I mean that it's a crazy bet. But still,

620
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, it is something that it's pretty much as

621
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: much of a lock as you could have coming into this.

622
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: And with regards to Jordan Love, look, he's a project.

623
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's he's got tools, but he misses layups.

624
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: And you cannot be a starting quarterback in the NFL

625
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: if you miss your layups. And which one of these

626
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: teams is positioned to take a project? We're in a

627
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: really weird space right now in the NFL. I think

628
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: the first time in my lifetime where the supply of

629
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: quarterbacks is outpacing the demand from these teams. Guys Jameis

630
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: Winston and Cam Newton don't have a job. Andy Dalton

631
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: is a lane duck quarterback who the Bengals are having

632
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: trouble giving away. So if you're going to take a

633
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: project like Jordan Love, you don't have to spend first

634
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: round equity on it. And I think these teams are

635
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: going to realize that.

636
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing.

637
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go below nineteen and a half, I mean,

638
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: none of the teams who are picking at that spot

639
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, you know, even if you go you know,

640
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: you got you know, the Browns.

641
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: The Jets, You've got the Raiders.

642
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Of course, as we just said, the forty nine Ers,

643
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: the Bucks, the Broncos, the Falcons, none of them is

644
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: in the market at this point for a quarterback.

645
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: So I don't.

646
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: See any way that he's going to go, you know,

647
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: under twenty. So again, it's minus one seventy seven. It's

648
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: not like you're getting a particularly good price on it.

649
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: But I again, I feel pretty confident that that's how

650
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna shake out. All right, what do

651
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: you got for your next one?

652
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: All right, let's go j Ets.

653
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been waiting for it.

654
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: Their first pick is going to be an offensive lineman.

655
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: I've been going back and forth as a fan. Would

656
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: I love to see Jerry Judy Ceee Lamb in a

657
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 3: Jets Jersey?

658
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I would.

659
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: We need to get Sam Darnold some weapons. But everybody's

660
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: been banging the drum for months that this is the

661
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: deepest wide receiver draft they've ever seen, So we can

662
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: probably and I say the Royal wee, we can probably

663
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: address the position later in the draft, even in the

664
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: second round, with guys like Denzel Mims, Chase Claypool. I mean,

665
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: this wide receiver class is fantastic. Joe Douglas, former offensive

666
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: lineman GM understands the need to solidify the position. Connor McGovern,

667
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: Greg Van Rotten, they're nice, but they're both interior linemen.

668
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: Greg fant He's not the answer at left tackle. So

669
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: I like the Jets first pick offensive lineman plus one hundred,

670
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: and I'll add to that that I like them getting

671
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas. I like the price at plus six hundred.

672
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: My only worry is what you brought up about the

673
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: off field issue for Beck, maybe Thomas going a little

674
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: abecton and Thomas going a little higher than people were

675
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: thinking right now. But I mean, the fit's perfect right

676
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: tackle early at Georgia had to flip when Isaiah Winn

677
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: was drafted. Two great seasons at left tackle. And people

678
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: that play mad and think that you can just switch

679
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: tackle position that easily, but it's literally like going from

680
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: left handed to right handed. Your entire brain has to swap.

681
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: So versatile player, excellent player, and frankly, i'd love for

682
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: him to land with the Jets.

683
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance about Worf's landing there

684
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: or what?

685
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: Certainly, but I just Worf's wills. They all seem to

686
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: be a little interchangeable, with Worf's being the preferred choice

687
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: of the three. It probably comes down to Worf's and

688
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: Thomas at this spot. But basically I'm just taking the

689
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: highest odds here. With Thomas getting plus six.

690
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: On the spot, well, Worfs is plus seven hundred.

691
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, put a little on both, just hedge a

692
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: little bit, just to make sure you're gonna get one

693
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: or the other.

694
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: Oh, that's actually an excellent hedge. Yeah, yeah, because it

695
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: seems you brought up the Willis pick earlier, and Willis

696
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: is steaming towards certainly being the first offensive lineman. Take

697
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: him and with the Beckton news, with him potentially dropping

698
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: yeah at plus seven hundred. Yeah, that's a that's a

699
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: that's a really good strategy to sprinkle a little bit

700
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: on both and hope that one of them lands with

701
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: the Jets.

702
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if the Jets are gonna

703
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I think they are going to go offensive lineman.

704
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: I agree at this point.

705
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be exciting to get one of

706
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, but you mentioned it is a really,

707
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: really really deep class for wide receivers, so I think

708
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: going offensive lineman again.

709
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, as you know, we'll see if Dave Gettleman understands.

710
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: But you know, you need to protect your your franchise quarterbacks.

711
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: So I do like that. So I'm gonna go.

712
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: You know, man, I hate to do this because it's

713
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be around one play. Everybody's gonna have to

714
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: hang on till the second day, but that's going to

715
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: be the first tight end drafted. Now, the consensus pick

716
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: here is Comet, right, He's at minus two hundred for

717
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: it and is over underpick is about I think it's

718
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: forty four and a half.

719
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: So I mean that's fine.

720
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: But you know, once you get past the first round,

721
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: it's just craziness. I don't think anybody can really predict

722
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. I mean, nobody can predict the first round,

723
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: but once you get past the first round, it's really

724
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of a free for all.

725
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: Comet's great, he's got a good future.

726
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: He's young. I mean he's twenty one. He's not a

727
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: great blocker, and he probably is. And you know, the

728
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: odds are that he's going to be the number one,

729
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: But for me, I kind of like the odds a

730
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: little bit better. With Alberto going, I can try to

731
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: pronounce his last name Okuwei Bunham. I think everybody, you know,

732
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: even even the broadcasters, call him Albert. Oh, so I'm gonna, like,

733
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: like Tua, I'm sticking with Alberto, just so I don't

734
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: have to mangle the name every time. So for Alberto

735
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: to be the first Titan draft, and that's plus eight hundred,

736
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: you can get that higher at a bunch of different books.

737
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: That's just the constant side of plus eight hundred. He's

738
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: a complete frequent nature right six five two fifty eight.

739
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: He ran a four forty nine forty at the combine

740
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: where he really kind of upped his stock. And again,

741
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: you know, he's been plagued by these shoulder injuries while

742
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: at Missouri and especially last year, which kind of dinged

743
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: the stock. But you know, once you're past that first round,

744
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: no rookie tight ends really make that much of an

745
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: impact almost never, you know, occasionally Evan Ingram, of course,

746
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: but for the most part they don't. And I think

747
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: if you're looking for the biggest upside, just you know,

748
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: he's so incredibly athletic that when you get there, he's

749
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: the type of guy who I think teams are going

750
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: to be looking for a little potentially more than comet. Again,

751
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the odds are comet. If you were saying the odds

752
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 1: on on both words the same, of course, i'd lean commet.

753
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: But a plus eight hundred, and again that was a

754
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: little higher, you know, a few days ago, so I

755
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: think there might be a little buzz. I'm gonna go

756
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: with Albert oh As the first tight end taken at

757
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: plus eight hundred.

758
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot of love for this tight end

759
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: class in general. You talked about that under four and

760
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: a half quarterback number, big juice on that zero tight

761
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: ends will be taken in the first round. I should

762
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: say under zero point five to be specific, minus eight thirty.

763
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: So another one that if you can stomach it, right,

764
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: if you're trying to cash in on something that seems

765
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: pretty clear.

766
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it tight mocked in like the top

767
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: forty even.

768
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean comet is the is the lowest,

769
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: and he's forty four and a half, and you know,

770
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I'd probably take the over on that, you know, But

771
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: either way, there's no first round tight ends. It's almost

772
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: a guarantee if there you know, if there is, I'm

773
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: just gonna throw my hands up. But for the most part,

774
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: that's one of the safest bets that you can make.

775
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: All Right, what do you got next to?

776
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 4: All Right?

777
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: So I mentioned it briefly in my Jets soliloquy that

778
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: this is one of the deepest wide receiver class or

779
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: so that's what we've been told, and I think we're

780
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: going to see that even depress the values of the

781
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: higher end receivers. Couple that with some of the love

782
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: that Ruggs has been getting as of late for his

783
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: speed and athleticism, and I think that there's a chance

784
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: that Ceedee Lamb goes a little later than expected. I

785
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: think he's a dynamic player, I mean, just unbelievably athletic

786
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: for his size, his ability to go up and get

787
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: the ball.

788
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: But I just with.

789
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: These teams knowing that there's going to be value in

790
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: the back end of the draft, I can see them

791
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: talking themselves into addressing other areas instead of selecting receivers.

792
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: So I'll take the over on twelve and a half

793
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: at plus one point fifteen. Landing spots that look pretty

794
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: good for him are the Broncos. I mean, if the

795
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: Niners go Galaxy Brain at thirteen, that would be pretty fantastic.

796
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: And really the only team that worries me, if I'm

797
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: going to be honest, is the Raiders at twelve. So

798
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: this feels like a coin flip to me. But at

799
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: plus one fifteen, I'm getting a bit of a weight

800
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: at edge, So I'll take the weight at edge and

801
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: hope that Ceedee Lamb goes past the Raiders at twelve.

802
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: So I know what that you're thinking.

803
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: The Jets are going to go offensive line, but obviously

804
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: there's another position that the Jets have been rumored to

805
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: be in and that is wide receiver.

806
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: I mean, is that?

807
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Are you firmly convinced that the Jets are going offensive

808
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: line here? You don't think there's any way they go

809
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver? And if they do, do you think it's

810
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: going to be another one other than Lamb or are

811
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: you just basically saying no, forget it. The Jets at

812
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: eleven are not taking a wide receiver. They're going offensive line,

813
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not concerned about them.

814
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm fairly confident that the Jets are gonna go O line.

815
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: It's just the stars seem to be aligned in that

816
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: direction and ahead of them. I think the only wild

817
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: card really is the Jags. And I honestly couldn't tell

818
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: you what the hell the Jags are doing, so I

819
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: don't no. Are they gonna address the fact that they

820
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: lost Kalais Campbell. They have so many holes on this

821
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: roster that Brown if you were to fall, and even

822
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: Javon Kinlaw are good fits as well. Yeah, the Jags

823
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: could take anybody at nine, which is kind of why

824
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: I love your two.

825
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Yes, come on, they can do anything. Take two if

826
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: he follows, come on, And that's the big one.

827
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: And even if the Jets select receiver, I think there's

828
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: just as high a chance that they take Judy as Lamb.

829
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: So if we're sweating really the Jets and Raiders, and

830
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: I think the Jets are going tackle with a slight

831
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: chance they take receiver, which could be another receiver, I

832
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: still think there's a pinch of value.

833
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the twelve and a half

834
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: is you know, that's the reason, right, it's the Jets

835
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: and the Raiders, and you know, but that is the

836
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: other thing, like, not only do one, at least one,

837
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: maybe both of those teams have to go receiver, but

838
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: they've got to go Lamb. So you never really know

839
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: which way it's going to go. So I don't hate that. Personally,

840
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm a little less confident. I think that the Jets

841
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: are going to go offensive line. They might but and

842
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: if I had to wager one or the other, I

843
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: would think offensive line. But certainly, you know, with everything

844
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: I've seen, nobody seems to know. You know, some mocks

845
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I've seen have them going to have them going receiver,

846
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: some have them going offensive line. So but either way,

847
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't know which offensive lineman, so which wide receiver

848
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: so I don't hate it. What I do like is

849
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: the number of running backs taken in the first round.

850
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: The over under is half a running back, and I'm

851
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: going to go with the under, and it's at plus

852
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: money here, it's at plus one sixty five at least

853
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: last I checked.

854
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: May have changed in the last five minutes, as a

855
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: lot of these odds are.

856
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: But you've obviously got Swift, You've got Taylor, You've got Domins,

857
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: You've got Edward Hilaire. So you've got, you know, at

858
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: least for maybe more like pretty solid running backs. Guys,

859
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: you can contribute right away. But you know already what

860
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: has happened with the NFL, which is essentially that running

861
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: backs are fungible for the most part, and that's the

862
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: way teams look at them. And you know, you get

863
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: to the back end of the first round, no idea,

864
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: what can happen? Right, anybody could basically decide, oh, you know,

865
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Speaker 1: I really want Swift. I'm gonna you know, trade minor

866
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: draft capital to be able to move up a couple

867
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: of spots. And then you get into the very back

868
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: end of the first round and you take a running back.

869
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, you've got the Ravens, the Titans, the Packers,

870
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Chiefs, none of them is necessarily.

871
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: Teams of the clue.

872
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 3: Teams with the clue that aren't gonna take a running back.

873
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: That's correct, and that that's a more direct way of

874
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: saying what I'm trying to say. So for me, look again,

875
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: you it's really difficult because you know, I think the

876
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: first running back that's gonna go is gonna go probably

877
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: early on in the second round, is what my guess is.

878
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: But so once you get to that spot, it's a

879
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: little up in the air. But you know, since they're

880
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: getting the plus money ongoing the under, I'd lean that way.

881
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: So I will take under half a running back being

882
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: selected in the first round at plus one sixty five.

883
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, love it.

884
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: Like I said, these teams are sharp at the bottom

885
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: of the first rounds. Even Pete Carroll can't ruin this

886
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: because it's so clear that they need to draft an

887
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: offensive lineman.

888
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Don't go that far. He could easily ruin this.

889
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bet at this point that that he's

890
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna you know, he's gonna stick with a normal draft

891
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: strategy and not and not screw it all up.

892
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: But it's it's certainly possible.

893
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is one again you never know, you know,

894
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: when you get to this, you know, especially as it

895
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: gets later in the first round, teams things get crazy,

896
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: so you never really know. But I feel pretty confident

897
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: that you know, because and I personally this is you know,

898
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: again we talk about the intel versus our evaluation.

899
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't really see Swift.

900
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: That you know much better than Taylor or Edwards Hilaire,

901
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: who you know, my guy Mike Tegler really loves. I

902
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: don't see that huge difference between them. So I don't

903
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: really see the need for a team to try to

904
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: trade out necessarily to go grab one of them as

905
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: opposed to waiting for another. So anyway, for me, again,

906
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: it's plus money, so that makes it more enticing. But

907
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: I'll take under half a running back at plus one

908
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: sixty five.

909
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: All right, let's do you got one more for me?

910
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? One more?

911
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to take another over. And it's a position

912
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: that is kind of getting phased out right now. You

913
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 3: speak talk about running back and how much they quote

914
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: unquote matter to an NFL team, and Patrick Queen currently

915
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: over twenty three and a half. It's basically even at

916
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: minus one ten. He's a run stopping inside linebacker. Some

917
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: of his traits are worrisome in terms of coverage, and

918
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 3: that position is slowly getting phased out of the game.

919
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: If you're inside linebacker, if you're a predominantly run stopping guy,

920
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: your utility is not as impactful is as if you

921
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: are an edge linebacker that can get in there and

922
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: rush the passer or a great coverage guy. It seems

923
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: like if you were to do an inside linebacker comparison,

924
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: people tend to like Oklahoma's Kenneth Murray over Patrick Queen,

925
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: and like I said, the emphasis on edge is going

926
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: to push people to take guys like Chase on a

927
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: Penza and Gross Matteos over him. The most popular position

928
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: I am seeing, and this is kind of a running theme,

929
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: is that he's a good CJ. Moseley replacements with the Ravens,

930
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: which would be much later than twenty three and a half,

931
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: and just looking at some of these teams in the middle,

932
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that they would spend a middle of

933
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: the first round pick on a position with such little

934
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: impact as inside linebacker. The Saints are pretty strong at

935
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: this position. The Vikings are strong at this position. I

936
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: cannot see the Patriots taking a standard inside linebackers, specifically

937
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: when they lost a lot of edge talent in Jamie

938
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: Collins last year. So yeah, give me Patrick Queen falling

939
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: down twenty three and at past twenty three at minus

940
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: one ten.

941
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I think that's great. I do

942
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: think that this has all the makings of the Ravens

943
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. I could see maybe at the Chiefs,

944
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: you know that, you know, the last pick of the

945
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: first round or something like that.

946
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would really be surprised. That's a really good.

947
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: One, and I'm a little annoyed that I didn't have

948
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: it on my list, but I'm going to bet it

949
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: as soon as we're dumb with this podcast, which will

950
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: be in two minutes. Yeah, that's a good one. I

951
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: just I don't see him going before twenty three and

952
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: a half. And I must have missed it, honestly, because

953
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: that is that is lower than I would have expected,

954
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: because I think the general consensus is, you know, the

955
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Ravens are kind of the earliest that I can see

956
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: him going, so at that point and that's twenty eight,

957
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: I believe. So that's a really good one. I like

958
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it and not the most exciting one.

959
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, random linebacker, right.

960
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: I love it. No, it's actually it's actually very very good. Yeah,

961
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: that's good. All right.

962
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I think we've given our listeners a bunch of different

963
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: things to have fun with, some with really long odds,

964
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: some with plus money, but a lot of different things

965
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: going into Day one, maybe day two if you want

966
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: to get into the tight end pool a little bit.

967
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: Hopefully Day two.

968
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: Goodness, let's not draft tight ends in round one and

969
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: this one. But either way, we're gonna have something to

970
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: focus on that is actual, something to gamble on which

971
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: is gonna be really really fun.

972
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: But anyway, that is it for today's show.

973
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: Rich as always, it was great having on to remind

974
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: everybody where they can find more of you and your work.

975
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can download the grid Iron Gamble podcast on

976
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: any podcatcher you use, Apple, Spotify, Stitcher. Catch us on

977
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: Twitter at grid Iron Gamble. We'll be doing our own

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft props later today on Monday, so check that out.

979
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be ready to go with all the draft props.

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00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I look forward to you sweat and your action for

981
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Speaker 1: three straight days as crazy as it's going to be.

982
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks again for coming on. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. We're gonna be back next week talking

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Speaker 2: about some more NFL futures. I'll talk to you then