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Speaker 1: points to homicide. Imancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: why was it ruled a suicide? With me an all

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Speaker 1: Star panel, Dave Mattcrime Online dot Com, investigative reporter, doctor

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Speaker 1: Fatal Vows and author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Renowned defense attorney Darryl Cohen at Daryl Cohen dot TV.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coal Case Research Institute. Special

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Speaker 1: guests joining me. Eric eccles p I hired by the

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Speaker 1: family and DJ's sister Amanda Shirley. First of you, Dave Mack,

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Speaker 1: break it down for me what happened. Well, we have

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Speaker 1: Attorney General. You can call here's the number four zero

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Speaker 1: four six five six three thousand, repeat four zero four

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Speaker 1: six five six three thousand. I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: faith and the Georgia Attorney General. And that's because I

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Speaker 1: worked hand in hand with them as a prosecutor for

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Speaker 1: ten years. Whenever I would get a homicide a murder conviction,

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Speaker 1: they would always so SOP standard operating procedure, file what

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Speaker 1: is called an amicus cury brief, a friend of the court.

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Speaker 1: When I would go up to the Georgia Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: to argue the appellate argument to hold the conviction, they

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Speaker 1: would be there too. They would have filed a partner

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Speaker 1: brief in addition to my brief to hold my case,

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Speaker 1: to hold the conviction. That's my impression of them. Am

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Speaker 1: I wrong? I don't think so. Could I be wrong, yes,

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Speaker 1: But that's where you go when you are not getting

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Speaker 1: justice with local police when you are not getting justice

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Speaker 1: with the GBI, you keep going up phone number four

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Speaker 1: or four six, five, six, three thousand. Listen to this Donald.

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Speaker 1: Vicky Junior's death was ruled a suicide, but family members

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Speaker 1: believe it was a homicide. Vicky's death was called in

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Speaker 1: as a suicide on October third, twenty sixteenth. In a

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Speaker 1: letter to the hactives in the case, the district attorney says, quote,

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Speaker 1: while certain statements made by witnesses, when viewed in isolation,

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Speaker 1: would tend to indicate a homicide, the physical evidence and

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Speaker 1: other witness statements support a conclusion the death was a

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Speaker 1: suicide end quote. Bicky's sister says he always wants to

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Speaker 1: make people laugh and help out others. She says she

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Speaker 1: wants justice for her brother. I knew from the time

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Speaker 1: my mom called me it wasn't a suicide. We all

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Speaker 1: knew it wasn't a suicide. He was literally take thing

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Speaker 1: my mother when he was shot. Ficky's sister says one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons she will continue to fight for answers

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Speaker 1: is because of her brother's three children he left behind.

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Speaker 1: GBI performed the autopsy but did not investigate the case.

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Speaker 1: The WAC County Sheriff's office, did Vicky died from a

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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head. You're hearing our friend Robin

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Speaker 1: Asteira at News twelve, And what I'm hearing from her

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Speaker 1: is while the GBI did conduct the autopsy, they were

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Speaker 1: not the ones to investigate the case. To Eric Eccles,

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Speaker 1: a well known private investigator hired by dj Ficky's family,

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Speaker 1: who exactly performed the investigation, the investigation by the police

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Speaker 1: department was before performed by Detective Ellenberg. The is that

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Speaker 1: Walker County Sheriffs or Lafayette Police or Comy Sheriff's Department

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Speaker 1: Detective Ellenberg who was who he admits he was inexperienced

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Speaker 1: to do these type of investigations. Guys, that is not

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Speaker 1: a badge of shame. It's the place you want to live.

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Speaker 1: Where the homicide rate is so low. Local police don't

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Speaker 1: have to hone their skills on homicide. Homicide investigations are

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Speaker 1: difficult to perform, very difficult. I've done them from many

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Speaker 1: many years. It involves, for instance, some measuring with inches

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Speaker 1: the feet where each person was from the door, where

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Speaker 1: the gun was found, where the casing was ejected, where

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Speaker 1: it was found on the floor where their footprints in

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Speaker 1: the carpet. For Pete's take in this case, to you,

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Speaker 1: Eric eccles, you say, as a private investigator, there was

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Speaker 1: evidence of a cleanup. I know there was bleach right

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Speaker 1: beside where DJ was Bleach Why is that there? What

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Speaker 1: else do you believe supports the theory of a cleanup?

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Speaker 1: The blood splatter, let's talk about that. I mean there

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Speaker 1: was no testing of the blood slatter on the couch,

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Speaker 1: so I mean there was a lot of different things

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Speaker 1: that they did not do. The forensics on the gun.

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Speaker 1: You talk about measurement. They didn't measure DJ's arms fan

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Speaker 1: to see if it was physically possible for him to

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Speaker 1: hold a shotgun on the left side of his face.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing done. Fingerprints on the trigger, fingerprints on

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Speaker 1: the gun. I can go on and on. They didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything. And for the DA to write a letter

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Speaker 1: to say that there was physical evidence to justify that

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Speaker 1: it was a suicide. What physical evidence is he talking about?

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Speaker 1: What physical evidence is he talking about too, Amanda, surely

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Speaker 1: this is DJ's sister. What is he talking about? I

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Speaker 1: have no idea, Nathy, there is They did no physical evidence.

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Speaker 1: They did not put crime a crime scene tape around

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Speaker 1: the crime scene itself. There was no evidence marking anything.

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Speaker 1: They showed up on the scene and marked it as suicide.

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Speaker 1: From the day they showed up, we begged them to

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Speaker 1: bring GBI in because we knew they wasn't capable of

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Speaker 1: handling an invest you a homicide investigation. They told us

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Speaker 1: there was no need to bring GBIM to investigate this case. So,

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Speaker 1: while we've been talking about the GBI, let me let

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Speaker 1: me clarify the GBI did not do the investigation. Have you, Amanda,

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Speaker 1: contacted the GBI to reopen Walker County's investigation. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: have contacted them several times. Of Eric Eccles, private investigator,

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Speaker 1: actually went and had a three hour appointment with the

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Speaker 1: medical examiner and that's when she ordered the toxicology and

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Speaker 1: came back and says she was not changing her cause

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Speaker 1: of death. And you also spoke of contacting the state

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Speaker 1: Attorney the Attorney General's office. I've contacted them. I can't

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Speaker 1: get past the secretary, but they told me to contact

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department, that they didn't handle things like that.

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Speaker 1: I call the Justice Department, they tell me to call

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General Office. You just get ran around in

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Speaker 1: circle I'm concerned. I'm very concerned. Daryl Coe and former

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Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney, sounds to me like they're getting

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Speaker 1: the runaround. They need help. Where do you go when

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Speaker 1: you are hitting a wall? Where can they go with

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Speaker 1: this investigation? We'd go back to the DA. And we

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Speaker 1: need to remember that just because at this point the

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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office refuses to call it a homicide and

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Speaker 1: refuses to prosecute. They may be waiting to see if

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Speaker 1: our person of interest makes a slip. They may be

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Speaker 1: waiting before until such time as they believe they have

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Speaker 1: a case that they can prosecute and win, because it's

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Speaker 1: not worth it to them to prosecute a case and

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Speaker 1: not be able to win it. Okay, hold on, I

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Speaker 1: want to tell you a true story, Darryl Coe, And

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Speaker 1: you remember the murder of Julie Love in Atlanta, kindergarten

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Speaker 1: teacher that was out jogging and these guys chased her

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Speaker 1: or god or raped or killed her. At the time,

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Speaker 1: I was all over our elected DA to investigate and

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Speaker 1: indict the boyfriend. And he kept saying, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna wait. Well he waited. I nearly passed out. He

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Speaker 1: waited a long time until the girlfriend of the real

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Speaker 1: killer was getting beaten up and she came to police

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Speaker 1: afraid she's going to be killed, and blurted out that

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Speaker 1: it was Emmanuel Hammonds that murdered Julie Love. I believe

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Speaker 1: well over a year had passed and sure enough the

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Speaker 1: district attorney was right. He was doing exactly what you

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Speaker 1: are saying. Guys. We are talking about the death of

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Speaker 1: a young man in the prime of his life, a

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Speaker 1: father of three, a brother, a son, Donald Ficky. I

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Speaker 1: want justice, do you, Because if you do, I implore

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Speaker 1: you to call the Attorney General's office four zero four

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Speaker 1: six to five six three thousand and to Amanda Shirley.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to go with you to the Walker County

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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. Guys, if you are hearing the voice

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Speaker 1: of Amanda Shirley, who was never given up on finding

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Speaker 1: the truth of her brother's death, put yourself in her shoes.

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Speaker 1: If you believe injustice, at least, let's see this thing through.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and foals. Nancy Grace Crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,