1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you, 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: Scott Pain with a Scott. You wrote a book called 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: Code Name Pale Horse that came out this year. How 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: you infiltrated a neo Nazi group? Tell us what happened? 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 3: Uh So. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 4: The title of the book that I will say this, 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 4: the subtitle I wasn't one hundred percent sold on, but 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 4: the big wigs that Simon and Schuster said this is 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: the one to go with because to me, if you 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 4: read it, it makes it sound like the only undercover 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 4: that you're going to read about. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: Is a neo Nazi group. 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 4: But there's multiple there's all kinds of cases that I've worked. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: But the particular story. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: The neo Nazi group that that I say, I but 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: we it takes a village. It was the FBI infiltrated. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: They they're not it's a newer thing. Even law enforcement, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 4: a lot of lawenforcement doesn't know this belief system. 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: Is out there. 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 4: They're called accelerationists and they it's not your typical If 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 4: you think of a neo Nazi, you think like people 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: staying in the street like you're Charlottesville waving signs. 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: That's not what it is. 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: Their belief system is this. They don't believe that there's 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: a political solution to save the white race, and they 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 4: believe that society is going to collapse either on its 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 4: own or for man made events, and they want to 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: speed that up. So these type of belief systems, you're 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: not going to see them on the corner with the 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: picket signs screaming. They want to do more guerrilla warfare 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: tactics where this picture, a power grid goes down, a 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: train gets derailed, a water system gets poisoned, a lefty 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: journalist gets killed, anti fascist people get killed, non white's 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: get killed. And much like most extremist belief systems, whether 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: it's far right, far left, radical jihatis, it doesn't matter 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: that it ends with an ethno state. 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: And that's what we found. 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: And we were seeing all kinds of stuff online that 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: was crazy, and we were getting some very good reporting 41 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: from overseas as well. But most people know this in 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: the United States. But you have a First Amendment freedom 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: of speech. You can say all kinds of radical, crazy, 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 4: hateful stuff as long as you're not doing anything to 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: further that, and we got in there because of everything 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: the attention they were drawing. And once we got in 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: there and I gained the trust of several individuals, we 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: uncovered numerous murder plots takeover things. 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: There was going to be a Second. 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: Amendment gun rally in Virginia in twenty twenty January of 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: twenty twenty. The idea for several people in the group 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: was to fire off a couple of shots so cops 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 4: start shooting militia people and vice versa, and they consider. 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: They used to call D Day their boogloo. 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: They called it the boogaloo, and it was really wild 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: because you find these young a lot of younger guys 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: that are outcasts, most likely been bullied, don't have a partner, 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: and I'm talking. 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: Like twenty one year old, twenty three, twenty. 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: Four year olds, don't have a car, don't have a job, 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 4: but they have an arsenal in their closet because they're 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: preparing for a boogloo. 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: And that's what we found. 64 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: And fortunately we found out murder plots and all these things. 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: We gathered the evidence that was need to be gathered, 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: and we arrested everybody. 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, what was their motives, Scott, What did they want 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: to do? Pull down the country? 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: Yes, and it doesn't go like the some of the 70 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: groups I've infiltraded. It's like we're gonna turn the entire 71 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: United States white. Well they didn't say that, but I 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: think it should be noted that this group was called 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: the Base, and it's not just a coincidence that al 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: Qaeda in English is the Base, So the Base in 75 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: Arabic is al Qaeda. And al Qatta's mo was multiple. 76 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: I got a redneck accent, so I'll spell it cell 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: when I say sale. Some people think I'm talking about 78 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 4: purchasing something or selling something, but they had they wanted 79 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 4: three to five man cells all over the world waiting 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 4: for that call. 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: That's the same thing al Qatta was doing. 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: So I ended up getting in and I made it 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: into my Celle was in North Georgia. It was the 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: closest to where I was, where I said I was from, 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: and yeah, it's it might not be the entire United States, 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 4: but like my cell and the Virginia and Maryland sales 87 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: were looking at property in the Appalachian Mountains to buy 88 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: up and make that our own little compound. Ethno state 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 4: we had other members of the group that had the 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: Upper Peninsula of Michigan and they were already looking at stuff. 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: We had other members that had property in the Pacific Northwest, 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: that kind of thing. I won't say there's a lot 93 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 4: of forethought or afterthought, because even while I was on 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: the inside, I mean, I got a stupid sense of humor. 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: But I'd be like, so, what about the National Guard. 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 4: I won't worry about that. What about the cops? Well, 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: how about the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 4: the Marines. I mean, at some point do we think 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: we're going to stand up to all that? But at 100 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: the end of the day, they wanted that Hitler regime 101 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: where everything's white and everything is really socialists. 102 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 3: They get everything for free. 103 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: Is this happening all around the country or is it 104 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: just in that area you busted. 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: No, we had members all over the world. You have 106 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: to realize now, I've seen the articles and one of 107 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: them was one that was done on me. But they 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: talked to academia and they're like, there's millions of neo 109 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: Nazis out there. I'm not gonna say there's millions, but 110 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 4: you have to understand in today's age on the phone, 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 4: and you've got a smartphone or a tablet. There are 112 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: applications out there that say they're encrypted, so it could 113 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 4: be four chan, eight chan, twelve chan, discord, threem, a 114 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: riot wire, Telegram, gab, you name it, and there's probably 115 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: even more out there. 116 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Now. 117 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: I don't have my thumb on the pulse anymore because 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: I retired, and as I say kind of jokingly, since 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: I retired, I made a conscious decision not to hang 120 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: out with the white supremacist anymore. 121 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: So they go into these things. 122 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that everybody in those apps are 123 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: up to nefarious activity. That would be not right to say, 124 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 4: but a lot of these people go to those apps 125 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: because they think that because it's encrypted and it's overseas, 126 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: that the United States government or law enforcement can't subpoena 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 4: those records. 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: How are they funded? 129 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 4: Scotti the group I was in, it's still up for grabs. 130 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 4: As I said, some of these young guys, it was 131 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: like where you I mean, they might have did some 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 4: work for their dad or their mom. Maybe their parents 133 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: give them money. But I will say this, the leader 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: of the base, and you take it for what it's worth. 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 4: His name is Ronaldo Nasarro. He is an American citizen 136 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: born in America. Villanova Grad Army former Army Intel had 137 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: a contract job in the. 138 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Department of Justice. 139 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, but by the time 140 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: we infiltrated the group, we being me and the FBI, 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: he resided in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and he has a 142 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: Russian family, and I'm I'm willing to bet he's on 143 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: a no fly list to come back in the United States. 144 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 4: So you take it for what it's worth. Does that 145 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: mean it's Russia funding propaganda stuff? I don't know, but 146 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: I do know that through my dealings of being a 147 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: case agent, being an undercover court, being an undercover in 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: the domestic terrorism realm towards the end of my career, 149 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: there's definitely influence from our threat countries pumping into the 150 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: United States just to create chaos. 151 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: Why doesn't most of the American media portray this? 152 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know. 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: Maybe it doesn't sell. I don't know. 154 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: I mean, we can go down in some deep rabbit 155 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: holes of whether it's conspiracy, whether they know and they're. 156 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Trying to further that. 157 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: But me, I'll look at it like even back in 158 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: the Let's say I was a cop. 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: I became a cop of ninety three, and I. 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: Remember early nineties, mid nineties, like I'm in Greenville, South Carolina, 161 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: and I go out on a call and this kid 162 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 4: says he's a crip and this, and. 163 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: I'm looking at him like a crip. This is Greenvile, 164 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: South Carolina. 165 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: You need to go back to la Well, I was 166 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: an idiot and that happened all over the place. They're like, oh, 167 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: there's no gangs here. Well guess what he got. Moved 168 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: to South Carolina because his parents were trying to get 169 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: him out of a bad situation. But he gets to 170 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 4: South Carolina and he creates the same thing, was a 171 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: part of next thing. You know, We've got crips and 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: bloods all over South Carolina. So I don't want to 173 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 4: say we turned the blind eye to it, but we 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: were naive. 175 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: You were there trying to save a goat too, weren't you. 176 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 4: Oh boy, yes, that's uh so. 177 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: The best way for me explaining is this. 178 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: White supremacy, that white nationalism, neo Nazis. There is a 179 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: belief system called Christian identity, not to be confused with 180 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 4: being a christ follower, not to be confused with Christianity. 181 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: What they do is they take the Bible and the 182 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: story of the Garden of Eden and they twist the 183 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 4: living you know what out of it to fit their ideology. 184 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 4: So the base was doing that with paganism. I've got 185 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 4: great friends of mine that are Pagans. They're in the 186 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 4: pagan belief system whatever, and they are good people and 187 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 4: they are peaceful people. 188 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: But much like the extremistism. 189 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: So if you look at like Norse mythology, the goat 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: Night was a Halloween of twenty nineteen, I'd already done 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: several blots b lot for the listeners that don't know 192 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: that is a ritual ceremony in Paganism, and this one 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: in particular was being done by one of the members, 194 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 4: and he just twisted it. There's something called the wild Hunt, 195 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: and essentially, if you look at Norse mythology, it's Odin 196 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: and other gods going out and just whipping the you 197 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: know what out of their enemies. But the way the 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: group I infiltrated twisted it was they stole a goat ram. 199 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: It's whatever. I've talked to people who owned rams and goats. 200 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's either a big goat with horns 201 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: or it's a little ram. I don't know, but it 202 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: was a go to a ram. They stole it, brought 203 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: it to the property we were at, which was one 204 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: hundred acre farm in North Georgia, and we were having 205 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: basically what people call a hate camp. There was probably 206 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: like thirteen or thirteen of us from all over the country. 207 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 4: They steal this goat and we go down to the 208 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: holy Spot, the ceremonial spot, and we have a sacrifice. 209 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: Now, the sacrifice was supposed. 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: To symbolize sacrificing the goat to go to Odin to Valhalla, 211 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 4: and it was going to kick off the wild Hunt. 212 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: But in the. 213 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: Twisted version of the extremists, the wild Hunt was going 214 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 4: to be us starting the racial holy War and cleansing 215 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: the world of non whites and non or Antifashi type people. 216 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 3: And yeah, they kidnapped the goat. 217 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: They stole it. I'm not kidnapped, they stole it. I 218 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: remember being at training that day because we did training. 219 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: This isn't just people walking around yelling hateful stuff. These 220 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 4: guys were training machine guns, firearms, and tactics, hand to 221 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: hand combat. Living off the land, building, bunkers, all that 222 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: stuff to prepare, like I said, for this boogloo. So 223 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: we had already done training that day and I fell asleep. 224 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: I went to charge my phone in the truck. It 225 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 4: was very, very cold, so once that heater hit me, 226 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: I kind of dozed off for a minute. I woke 227 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: to the sound of somebody pounding, one of the other 228 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 4: members pounding on my window. My code name and that 229 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 4: my nickname or moniker in the group was pale Horse. 230 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 3: Hence the name of the book. 231 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, because really every undercover title you can think of 232 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 4: has already been taken. 233 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 3: If you start trying to write something, but. 234 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: There it's like pale Horse, Pale Horse, gott to get up. 235 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: You got to see this. And I go out there 236 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: and they've got this goat. And the guy leading the 237 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: blot actually named the goat gar short for Garfield because 238 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: his middle name was Garfield and his grandfather's name was Garfield. 239 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 4: And I remember looking at him George, and I said, 240 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 4: I said, hey, and nobody else is around. It's just 241 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: me and Eisen. The guy that's going to be leading 242 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: the blot. It's not his real name, that's what he 243 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: went by. And I'm like, Hey, is it bad that 244 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: I feel I said, is it bad that I feel sorry. 245 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 3: For the goat? And he said, you can't let the 246 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: goat here? You say that, And I'm thinking, what are 247 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: you talking about? 248 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: And he's like, well, this goat needs to be known, 249 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: it's loved, it's going to Valhalla and all this stuff. 250 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: And I just remember thinking, in my sixth sense of humor, 251 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's what the goat's thinking right now. 252 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 4: So I tried to think in my head, is there 253 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: something I can do to stop this? I mean, there is, 254 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: but I'm deep undercover. I'm in this case. Everybody's got guns, 255 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 4: we're in the middle of nowhere is And I remember 256 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: reaching out to the case team because they're monitoring me, 257 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: and I said, hey, something to the effect of, I 258 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 4: can't think of a reason to shut this down federally, 259 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: but if you don't want me to do this or 260 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 4: go you don't want this to happen, send me something, 261 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 4: let me know and I'll shut it down. We'll just say, hey, 262 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: we'll pull Chock's say at the end of the case. 263 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: And I got nothing. So my last words into my 264 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: my monitoring device was well, I guess I'm headed down 265 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 4: here for this this sacrifice. So we go down there 266 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: to the middle of the woods, in the middle of 267 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: nowhere one hundred acres, and Eisen leads the blot, says 268 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: a bunch of things to start the wild hunt. And 269 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: when he goes to kill the goat, he has a 270 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: machete and he goes to hit it, and it didn't 271 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: kill the goat. 272 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: I don't even know if it broke a hair. 273 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: I don't know if the blade was I don't know 274 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: if the blade was dull or it was just a 275 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: backstrap was so thick. But to speed it up and 276 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: not to be too gross, somebody had a pistol. 277 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: They took the pistol. I will say this. 278 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 4: Before Eisen was getting ready to shoot the goat in 279 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: the head, we're all in a circle on our knees 280 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: around the goat. I don't know how I ended up 281 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: at the back of the goat, but that's where I'm 282 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: at holding the goat, and Easen points the gun towards 283 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: the goat and turns his head the opposite way. And 284 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: that's when the instructor in me comes out and I'm like, 285 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: whoa time of day, what are you doing? And he's 286 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: like what I said, look at what you're shooting at. 287 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: We're all in a circle. You're gonna shoot us? What 288 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 4: are you doing? And uh, And he killed the goat 289 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: and then they did a sacrifice ceremony, sliced his throat, 290 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: filled a cup with blood. We all drank the blood 291 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 4: as part of the sacrifice. A lot of them did 292 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: acid and and cut the head of the goat off 293 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 4: and carried it around for three or four days taking. 294 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: Pictures and and uh. 295 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: It's pretty disturbing, pretty pretty sad, pretty disturbing. I will 296 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: say that once we did arrest everybody federally and came 297 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: down with that, we did circle back law enforcement circle 298 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: back and arrested and charged a lot of people with 299 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 4: the animal cruelty when rightfully so. 300 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 301 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 302 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: dot com for more