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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph.

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another edition of the Monday Mini. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many this is because I think

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Speaker 2: we got a lot to say. We've already mentioned what

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Speaker 2: happened with the World Cup as Spain won and should

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Speaker 2: be celebrating. I think this is one of those tell

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Speaker 2: tale things of like, we can't have nice things, but

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Speaker 2: there is a rainbow at the end of this awful,

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Speaker 2: awful situation. So it's kind of like that. Okay, but

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Speaker 2: at least they're turning into something better. But yeah, we

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Speaker 2: wanted to do a quick update about what's happening with

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Speaker 2: the Spanish women's football club, the international World Cup champions,

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Speaker 2: who should only be celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Yep, but again, we can't have nice things.

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Speaker 2: And as as most of you already know if you

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Speaker 2: have been a part of any soccer news at all,

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Speaker 2: because even myself who has not followed along, and it

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Speaker 2: wasn't until you brought it up when we were talking

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Speaker 2: to Whitney about the incident that I even knew what

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Speaker 2: was going on, because I had been that out of

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Speaker 2: the loop that president of the Federation. Rabialis forcefully grabbed

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Speaker 2: a dinner for her mosa by the head to kiss

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Speaker 2: her as a I guess congratulatory we one type of thing.

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Speaker 2: There was a previous incident where he grabs his crotch

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Speaker 2: in front of the queen uh and makes a gesture

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Speaker 2: at the coach, who has his own set of problems

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Speaker 2: in order to celebrate the victory. Because that nothing like

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Speaker 2: grabbing your crotch and thrusting it at towards a coach

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Speaker 2: for women's soccer. Yeah, that truly celebrates a victory for

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Speaker 2: women's soccer.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things that it's I'm like, bro, what what?

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Speaker 2: But at this time I cannot so on TikTok. I'm

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Speaker 2: on that side of TikTok as well. Many are saying

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Speaker 2: that he is resigning. I have yet to find any

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Speaker 2: articles to actually say that he's resigning. I know he's

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Speaker 2: been called on by the Federation after a lot of

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Speaker 2: down and resign, which many are like, just fire him,

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Speaker 2: for the love of all that is good, just fire him.

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Speaker 2: He shouldn't be given the honor of resigning to begin with.

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Speaker 2: Do you know if he's that's actually true, because I

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Speaker 2: have not found any articles to validate that.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Okay, so we should put the date on this one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, they.

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Speaker 1: Out. Yeah, we have a book. You can get it.

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Speaker 1: It has a lot of stuff about similar issues in sports.

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Speaker 1: So this is a quick changing, developing situation. Because when

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Speaker 1: Whitney came on, I was talking about it. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about it and it was like, you know, condemnation,

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Speaker 1: but you know, not that big. But now it's huge,

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Speaker 1: so much condemnation. And I saw a piece about it today.

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Speaker 1: I believe he has been He's definitely been astro design

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Speaker 1: I think he has to.

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Speaker 2: He's been suspended, suspended for ninety days. But it's feedful

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Speaker 2: so it's different than the actual federations. That's till Aston

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Speaker 2: to resign. He was suspended Saturday and there's a pending investigation,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see what they do. Right now, there's talks

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Speaker 2: of all the Spanish teams being suspended until he resigns

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Speaker 2: and not being able to play. There's a back and

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Speaker 2: forth like Real Madrid and all of those teams about

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Speaker 2: them not being able to compete. We know that all

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Speaker 2: players were all saying they're not going to play until

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Speaker 2: I know that's all going down at this point in time,

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Speaker 2: which I think is very telling. Rubiellis's mom is on

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Speaker 2: a hunger strike in the church until he is justly

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Speaker 2: why he's being so headstrong that this this makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe it's probably been dropped by now.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a week ago, and this is

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Speaker 1: believe this Spanish soccer federation threatened to sue her Mosas, yes,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so essentially what went down is they try

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Speaker 2: going no, no, no, no, no, no, this was not consensual.

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Speaker 2: Why would I ever consider this. I did not want this.

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Speaker 2: I did not have a choice. Literally, I just had

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Speaker 2: common conversation that women have amongst themselves about bad situations

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that I kept mentioning in that episode

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Speaker 1: we did Whitney. I read this article about the history

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Speaker 2: They're like, they didn't know each other, was just walking

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Speaker 1: No, And actually there's kind of a horrifying history of

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Speaker 2: Or being at war as sexually assaulting women. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then that the whole like do you remember the I

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Speaker 2: that's it. That that big kiss. Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 2: whole conversation. And yeah, this this is a constant thing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to read a couple of quotes from

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Speaker 2: a New York Times article about people's reactions essentially, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we were back to the whole, like they came

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Speaker 2: back after she said no, this was not consensual. The

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Speaker 2: And then since then we've seen, like I saw on TikTok,

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Speaker 2: grabbing like like all these things and being obviously sexist

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Speaker 2: here's a quote, but Spanish society has erupted, seizing on

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Speaker 2: clubby and often sexist soccer culture. More than a dozen

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Speaker 2: female players rebelled last year long frustrated with unequal pay

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Speaker 2: what they considered overly harsh and controlling treatment by their

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Speaker 2: their personal belongings and a general culture of sexism. Many

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Speaker 2: pain of missing the glory. Ideas are ahead of metals,

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Speaker 2: she said. The entire team and dozens of other players

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Speaker 2: the current managers continue. So obviously they've been having issues,

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Speaker 2: and in this situation, the world got to see publicly

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Speaker 2: how the federation react, and no one could deny the

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Speaker 2: we see it, at what point would they have been consensual?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? And like we talked about, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is the end all, Beyall people react

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Speaker 1: differently in situations like this. But in that particular picture,

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Speaker 1: she does not look comfortable. It's not a picture that

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Speaker 1: looks consensual. I want to emphasize again that does not

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Speaker 1: mean like we should apply that standard to everything, but

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Speaker 1: they are saying like, no, she's a liar, will sue her?

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Speaker 1: Who is their star player, the best players right right now,

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Speaker 1: and they're more worried about protecting the men in charge

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Speaker 1: than the women on their team one in spite of this, yes.

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Speaker 2: In spite of losing teammates, in spite of seeing this

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Speaker 2: constant harassment and vilification. Obviously that happens often, and I

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Speaker 2: do find it interesting that it took until FIFA was

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Speaker 2: like a we're gonna we're gonna cut it, which a

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Speaker 2: lot of people from the jump set is gonna take FIFA,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna take the world. We're gonna s saying that

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Speaker 2: figure this out because the players can go wherever. I

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Speaker 2: know contracts are different and it could be difficult, but

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Speaker 2: the players don't play in their country, so you know,

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Speaker 2: many would love a world champion on their team. So hello.

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Speaker 2: This has also come to the point that there may

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Speaker 2: be actual criminal investigation within Spain apparently, so the current official,

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Speaker 2: I will say that about what has been happening and

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Speaker 2: who knows. He did make it a full apology on that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it came with a lot of excuses. It

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Speaker 2: came with all the excuses that you could imagine. But

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Speaker 2: he did make an apology about that. One thing that

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Speaker 2: this is about to come a false feminism. So it

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Speaker 2: he puts that false narrative, so therefore it's a false feminism.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is a dog whistle. This is

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Speaker 2: a dog whistle that begins the end of like begins

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Speaker 2: the attack on feminism in general. And I find that interesting.

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Speaker 2: He kept saying it in his little speech that he

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Speaker 2: got applauded for. Everybody's like, oh, we're supporting him, and

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Speaker 2: now they want him to resign after that, but you know,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, no, But I find that interesting and very

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Speaker 2: more more liberal, I guess in itself and in his conversation

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Speaker 2: and trying to protect people, they have done a lot

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Speaker 2: of looking into what it looks like sex violence in

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Speaker 2: the second in command actually said this was sexual violence.

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Speaker 2: This act that we see is sexual violence and naming

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Speaker 2: it as it is, which again urbialis try to come

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Speaker 2: back and this said that that was false feminism, which

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Speaker 2: and then try to add what happens when women are

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Speaker 2: really raped? They're not going to believe them. I'm like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 2: you are pulling all the stops the old tradition. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: all of them. And he was pulling it out like

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Speaker 2: this is the nineteen like two thousand and five, actually

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and it's like a brock Turner moment.

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Speaker 2: But it really is disgusting in that narrative, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: he has people to back him. So here's another quote

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