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Speaker 2: the site of training Camp twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: We've got half the.
Speaker 2: Crew here this week after having everybody here last week,
Speaker 2: which is uh, it's it's unfortunate, but it's exciting. What's up,
Speaker 2: Nick Harris, I'm doing good.
Speaker 6: It's so lonely over here. It's over our people are gone,
Speaker 6: but no, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It feels like the last week of camp there's not
Speaker 2: a single radio road ten All of the cushy radio
Speaker 2: stations have gone back to hide in their studios and
Speaker 2: they've kind of just been just missing for the last
Speaker 2: week and a half two weeks. And then you've got
Speaker 2: the media. There's just select media that are kind of
Speaker 2: hanging around. These are the real Cowboys. Reporters, right, this
Speaker 2: is for the real grinders.
Speaker 7: This is for the real grinders.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Speaking of a real grinder, Nate Newton.
Speaker 2: I called him a couple of minutes ago and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: we only have two on the show today. Is there
Speaker 2: any way you can make it. He's on his way.
Speaker 2: So we've got reinforcements coming, just like the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: They do have a reinforcement coming. And that's probably the
Speaker 2: top story about training camp. But we'll get to the
Speaker 2: preseason game. We'll get to how I kind of let
Speaker 2: Cowboys Nation talking Cowboys Nation down by not saying Zebras
Speaker 2: or no cap or whatever it was on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: That's all on me. I didn't say any of them.
Speaker 2: I let Beam down, as he's letting me know back behind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I let everybody down in that regard. But I had
Speaker 2: a lot of fun calling the game. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: that in a moment. Talk about that in the second segment.
Speaker 2: But first, Zach Martin is back on campus and it
Speaker 2: feels like there should be a parade for the guys.
Speaker 2: He walks us in or bikes in or whatever ends
Speaker 2: up happening. Yeah, Captain is here.
Speaker 6: I think it comes at a really a really important time.
Speaker 6: I know we talked about it on the Camping Out
Speaker 6: podcast last night, but you had said early on in
Speaker 6: this whole ordeal that I think he'll be back right
Speaker 6: after the first preseason game, And sure enough, you were right.
Speaker 6: He came in that news broke yesterday afternoon, and he
Speaker 6: came in yesterday evening. It was funny because me and
Speaker 6: Patrick No Si Walker, a former you know, trader of
Speaker 6: the show.
Speaker 5: By the way, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be back on Thursday, so he will.
Speaker 7: That's baking news for the entire world to know.
Speaker 6: But we were we were out sticking out front just
Speaker 6: kind of waiting on him to walk in, you know,
Speaker 6: just so just so we know when he walks in,
Speaker 6: and Haley Sutton and our team photographer Kleena Williams, they
Speaker 6: walk up to us.
Speaker 7: They had been, you know, somewhere else the whole day.
Speaker 6: They're like, hey, did you'll see Zach And we were
Speaker 6: we were like, no, he hasn't walked in yet, and
Speaker 6: it's like he's right over there, like how did we
Speaker 6: miss him walking in?
Speaker 7: So it was kind of a funny moment yesterday. But yeah,
Speaker 7: he was. He was all smiles yesterday.
Speaker 6: He got the RAIS that he wanted, and it works
Speaker 6: for both sides financially, because I think the problem that
Speaker 6: the front office was running into was, Yeah, we really
Speaker 6: want to give Zach what he wants and what he's earned,
Speaker 6: but at the same time, we have to give extensions
Speaker 6: to these guys like Michael Parson's, Ceedee Lamb, potentially Tony
Speaker 6: Pollard down the line, Terrence Steele.
Speaker 7: I mean, the list goes on.
Speaker 6: So you had to if you gave money to Zach
Speaker 6: and an extension, then it had to take sacrifice to
Speaker 6: those guys. But they were able to restructure it to
Speaker 6: where it's not an extension. He just gets an eight
Speaker 6: million dollar RAIS over the next two years. That doesn't
Speaker 6: really affect those extension talks. Those guys still have the
Speaker 6: same amount of money on the table, So it works
Speaker 6: for both sides financially. But I think more important than anything,
Speaker 6: it gets Zach Martin back on the field at a
Speaker 6: really important time here at training camp and before week one,
Speaker 6: because you know, in an offense where the running game
Speaker 6: still needs to be established on behind Tony Pollard, you
Speaker 6: need a guy like Zach Martin to help us. I
Speaker 6: let's hate that run game at right guard. And it
Speaker 6: gives you your best player on the offensive line, So
Speaker 6: that's gonna help with a new offense overall.
Speaker 2: It gives you a leader, it gives you a presence,
Speaker 2: and it gives you just some added stability, which I
Speaker 2: think all three things are something that Dallas needed up front.
Speaker 2: I mean it's no secret. I mean this is a
Speaker 2: young offensive line. This is an offensive line that needs
Speaker 2: a guy like Zach Martin in the fold. And it's
Speaker 2: been unfortunate to not see him out on the field.
Speaker 2: We haven't really had the chance to talk about it
Speaker 2: a lot, just because I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: He's holding out and he's not here, and nothing really changed.
Speaker 2: It didn't look like it was going to change. I'm
Speaker 2: happy that it did, though, because now you've got a
Speaker 2: chance to move forward. It feels like this team was
Speaker 2: doing everything they could up to a certain point, because
Speaker 2: up to that certain point, you don't have Zach Martin,
Speaker 2: and if you don't have Zack Martin, it's hard to
Speaker 2: really further your ball club. Now they can continue to
Speaker 2: push forward together, and that's what I'm excited about. He'll
Speaker 2: probably see the limited reps he's been working out, he's
Speaker 2: been working with coach Merriweather back at a I'm back
Speaker 2: in Dallas, and he's been active all the way through.
Speaker 2: But then now he's got a chance to get these
Speaker 2: live reps in practice and he's going to continue to
Speaker 2: push forward. So what do you expect from Zach Martin
Speaker 2: this week? Whenever you get a chance to sit down
Speaker 2: and finally watch him on the field, how do you
Speaker 2: feel like he'll fair?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's probably going to be a ramp up, just
Speaker 6: knowing how Mike McCarthy operates. And I don't want to
Speaker 6: neglect the walk up right now with the great news,
Speaker 6: So welcome to Nate Newton to the show.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 5: Glad you guys invited me.
Speaker 6: Man, Wow, well we're talking about the guy who has
Speaker 6: started training camp for you, right.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir begins a training camp has officially started today.
Speaker 8: Zach Martin is back and uh man, I am excited.
Speaker 8: I am overjoyed.
Speaker 6: The question that Kyle had for me that I think
Speaker 6: it would be a good question for you as well,
Speaker 6: is what do you think he brings week one? Is
Speaker 6: it more of a ramp up stage and getting him
Speaker 6: into that mode, But also I think leadership off the
Speaker 6: field is going to be a big part of this week.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 5: He's a glue. He's he's the glue.
Speaker 8: He's the glue to our center Beyondish, he's the glue
Speaker 8: to Terrence Steele of making our offensive line solid. What
Speaker 8: he does and I'm gonna go a little bit deeper
Speaker 8: if you'll give me a chance. What he does is
Speaker 8: last week, me and you were talking about how the
Speaker 8: young kid awesome gave up a sack where if Zack
Speaker 8: Martin would have been in there, our quarterback could have
Speaker 8: stepped up into the pocket. Because what it is, we
Speaker 8: have a soft middle now and everybody's getting pushed back
Speaker 8: three to five yards.
Speaker 5: That leaves our.
Speaker 8: Quarterback not a lot of room to step up and
Speaker 8: to maneuver inside the parket Zack Martin will cut half
Speaker 8: of that down. He will allow our tackles to be
Speaker 8: better so they can just run guys around the edge
Speaker 8: and stay with them where it's not having.
Speaker 5: A two way go. That is what he does.
Speaker 8: He gives Beyondish a sense of confidence, you know, to
Speaker 8: know that he'll step down there, secure that block while
Speaker 8: he's looking out taking care of still on that right side.
Speaker 5: This guy is the ultimate team player.
Speaker 8: He's an ultimate team leader, and we need this guy
Speaker 8: if we're going to be successful this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just allows more depth in that pocket.
Speaker 6: When you can have a guy that'll keep his guy
Speaker 6: on the line of scrimmage, that just kind of opens
Speaker 6: up the whole thing for whoever's that quarterback, whether it
Speaker 6: be Will Greer, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush, or so on and so forth.
Speaker 6: We probably won't see Zach Martin during the preseason, but
Speaker 6: it's great that we have in week one.
Speaker 7: Again, I'll mention it on the podcast last night.
Speaker 6: It's so nice that this happened before week one rather
Speaker 6: than week eight, just because they can get this new
Speaker 6: offense going with everyone up front. They can get this
Speaker 6: new running game going with everybody up upfront. So I
Speaker 6: think this happened at the perfect time for everybody involved.
Speaker 6: Maybe you know, maybe right at the buzzer for everybody involved,
Speaker 6: But nevertheless, I think it works for both sides financially,
Speaker 6: and it works for both sides on the field.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, for as much as it does feel
Speaker 2: like it was right at the buzzer. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at the dates. I mean, it's Tuesday, August fifteenth. The
Speaker 2: first game is September tenth. I mean it's still almost
Speaker 2: an entire month, five days short of a month of
Speaker 2: getting Zack Martin back into the fold before that Week
Speaker 2: one matchup.
Speaker 6: The reason I say the reason I say at the
Speaker 6: buzzer is just because if this spent, if this time
Speaker 6: that was spent without Zach Martin was spent evaluating a
Speaker 6: a potential replacement at right guard or be somebody that's
Speaker 6: reliable to rotate in it right guard, I don't believe
Speaker 6: either of those tasks were accomplished, and I think Zach
Speaker 6: Martin needs to be here to help lead that room
Speaker 6: a little bit, to find it at the answer to
Speaker 6: either of those questions, or to just be that buffer
Speaker 6: until they can find that guy and.
Speaker 7: Bring him in.
Speaker 8: More more important, he needs to be on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 8: because now we can start practice. And I'll give you example.
Speaker 8: We have not had a pressure drill, and the pressure
Speaker 8: can drill consists of blitzes by linebackers. It's a passing situation.
Speaker 8: It is about twelve plays and every start of every
Speaker 8: pressure drill, it starts out four blad plays for the
Speaker 8: sack sack, sack, and that is because our offensive line
Speaker 8: has no continuity. What this guy, Zach Martin brings brings
Speaker 8: continuity number one by stopping his man up on the
Speaker 8: offensive line, like you talked about earlier, giving our tackles
Speaker 8: a sense of confidence to run these guys around. By
Speaker 8: giving a hand to our center so he can stabilize hisself.
Speaker 8: And now our left new left guard, which is our
Speaker 8: old left guard Smith can do his job.
Speaker 5: So now it just stabilizes everything.
Speaker 9: We need.
Speaker 5: Consistency. You talked about that last night Kyle a lot
Speaker 5: on Camping Out podcast.
Speaker 8: The consistency that he brings of being a guy that
Speaker 8: plays up on the line of scrimmage or be able
Speaker 8: to move people off the ball when it's a run situation.
Speaker 5: It gives us creases.
Speaker 8: Now our running backs will be better and we'll see
Speaker 8: a better team. He brings physical as well as mental consistency.
Speaker 2: Do you think the reps without him in training camp
Speaker 2: have being I think good, just good, just good, sir.
Speaker 2: That's now that he's back in the fold. Do you
Speaker 2: think this is where we can see the benefit of
Speaker 2: those reps.
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, of not having him there, not being able to
Speaker 2: rely on a guy like Zach Martin around you, and
Speaker 2: then you take the step up and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: now seventy is in there, and now I can rely
Speaker 2: on a guy like that.
Speaker 8: You know what's so funny? And now I'm not He
Speaker 8: is not Magic Johnson the Lakers. The Lakers were a
Speaker 8: good team without magic, and they probably could have went
Speaker 8: into the playoffs without magic.
Speaker 5: With magic, now you see a world championship team.
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying this guy's gonna make us a
Speaker 8: world championship team, but now I believe more than ever
Speaker 8: that we have a shot at the NFC Championship. I
Speaker 8: believe that because what he does, and I'll say it
Speaker 8: a thousand times, is he just gives us consistency. He
Speaker 8: gives us a solid wall up front. So when we
Speaker 8: called him three step drops and five step drops, we
Speaker 8: know it's gonna gonna happen. And more important than when
Speaker 8: we call that ultimate seven step drop to sit back
Speaker 8: and let Cooks get behind somebody, we know he can
Speaker 8: stand tall, step up in the pocket and throw off
Speaker 8: of that and you know, throw it how you do
Speaker 8: the le jerk, So you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 8: he can really release.
Speaker 7: We practice that every morning, don't.
Speaker 2: Getting after it? Yeah, he's thirty two, and I believe
Speaker 2: he turns thirty three at some point this next or
Speaker 2: I guess this season, at some point along the way
Speaker 2: it is twenty five days or however long it is
Speaker 2: until week one? Is that enough to ramp this guy
Speaker 2: up and get him ready to go slot? I know,
Speaker 2: I mean he's Zach Martin, and he is. He is
Speaker 2: shown to this point that it feels like he's almost indestructible. Yes,
Speaker 2: to a certain extent. But I mean, at some point
Speaker 2: age does come into play for everybody. I mean, father
Speaker 2: times undefeated in the world of sports. The I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying it's a worry. I don't think it is
Speaker 2: for me. I think he's gonna be fan past it.
Speaker 2: But is there any sort of concern on just how
Speaker 2: quickly he's gonna have to ramp up without those first teams.
Speaker 6: There was a question that Mike McCarthy got in a
Speaker 6: press conference I believe it was last week, and it
Speaker 6: was asked, whenever Zach gets here, you know, with this
Speaker 6: new offensive system, is there gonna be a little bit
Speaker 6: of a learning phase for him? Do we You're gonna
Speaker 6: have to get him up to speed? And Mike was
Speaker 6: very quick. He's like, no, everything we're doing he already
Speaker 6: has in his bag. So I think, if anything, it
Speaker 6: just brings another teacher into that room. I mean, you
Speaker 6: have a guy who's been absorbing this information during many
Speaker 6: camp and OTAs the hole that only started about a
Speaker 6: month ago. So it's and it's not that like Zach
Speaker 6: Martin hasn't been deep in that playbook since then. So
Speaker 6: I think it helps across the board for just him
Speaker 6: being here. I don't think there's gonna be any sort
Speaker 6: of laps there.
Speaker 5: It is always a connect.
Speaker 8: Whenever a guy was holding out with us, either either
Speaker 8: a player or coach system, it's always called, hey, this
Speaker 8: is where we at. This is where we know you're
Speaker 8: holding out, but hey, look at your playbook. This is
Speaker 8: what we changed, this is this is effects you don't
Speaker 8: worry about that, you know we can get past. It's
Speaker 8: always a connect. So he's not he's not behind He's
Speaker 8: not behind it. And the thing that we need to
Speaker 8: understand is there's there wasn't anyone on the street, there
Speaker 8: wasn't anybody in the camp that was close. Because some
Speaker 8: things you can wait on, and I'll give you example,
Speaker 8: we can wait to see who can be the number
Speaker 8: two running back, but you can't wait to see who's
Speaker 8: gonna be your first team start at offensive guard, because
Speaker 8: it's just it's too big of an impact.
Speaker 2: It's a big impact, and you can feel the impact
Speaker 2: from his return. I mean, I was talking to coach
Speaker 2: Linda Wells the other day and he said, he said, man,
Speaker 2: the big story is that big Man's back on campus.
Speaker 2: He said, let's throw a parade, like let's let's make
Speaker 2: sure he's he's welcome out here. And I'm sure Cowboys
Speaker 2: fans will be very excited to see him back out
Speaker 2: on the field as the Cowboys do hit a full
Speaker 2: padded practice today and tomorrow here in Oxnar before or
Speaker 2: really ramping up and then traveling to Seattle on Friday.
Speaker 2: But when we come back here on Talking Cowboys, we
Speaker 2: can maybe continue the Zach Martin conversation how it affects
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But I also want to take a
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Speaker 2: against Jacksonville. Some good, some bad, some to work on
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Speaker 2: First game of the preseason, Cowboys fall to Jacksonville twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty three at AT and T Stadium. It was a
Speaker 2: great atmosphere, great crowd. H Ultimately, the Cowboys just fell
Speaker 2: short and it comes from behind effort. They took the
Speaker 2: lead in the third quarter, everything was working in their direction,
Speaker 2: and then a guy named Nathan Rourke had made a
Speaker 2: couple extra plays, a couple of big plays on Dallas.
Speaker 2: So definitely some room to grow a ton of positives
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Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's take a look at the
Speaker 2: Jacksonville matchup. What were your thoughts on on what you
Speaker 2: saw in Arlington on Saturday.
Speaker 6: I want to start defensively, just because this defensive unit
Speaker 6: that trotted out there to start the game got reps
Speaker 6: against the first team and they got reps.
Speaker 7: Against the second team.
Speaker 6: Most of those guys and two guys specifically really shined
Speaker 6: and DeMont Clark and to Marvion Overshown. I think there's
Speaker 6: a lot of concern about the linebacker depth on this team.
Speaker 6: I think the more these guys get on the field,
Speaker 6: and the more that these guys get reps, I think
Speaker 6: the more that those concerns should be quieted a little bit,
Speaker 6: just because these guys not only have youth with experience,
Speaker 6: but they also have athleticism that flies them across the
Speaker 6: field from sideline to sideline. We saw that on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 6: De Moon Clark specifically was all over the place. De
Speaker 6: Marvion Overshown had a huge stop on third and one
Speaker 6: where he just filled a gap and stood tall like
Speaker 6: a brick wall. So I really liked what I saw
Speaker 6: from both of those guys. You know, Mazzie Smith, he
Speaker 6: had some ups, he had his downs. I think it
Speaker 6: was what you could expect from a rookie. You could
Speaker 6: say that for the rookies across the board, aside from
Speaker 6: Overshow who had a great day. You know, it's those
Speaker 6: bright lights and that's gonna be tough to overcome for
Speaker 6: your very first game. But I think there's going to
Speaker 6: be a lot of things to work on for Mazzie.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, he's on his track. He's
Speaker 6: on the track for high potential.
Speaker 8: I agree with you, man, But my offensively, man, I
Speaker 8: was just Jake Ferguson just to see him step been
Speaker 8: and make the blocks that he made and to catch
Speaker 8: the passes that he called. That that was That was awesome.
Speaker 8: And last night we did the Camping Out show, and uh,
Speaker 8: I just can't speak enough defensively about thirty three and
Speaker 8: thirty five Overshown and the other kid. It just was
Speaker 8: that was a marvel to see because I've been concentrating
Speaker 8: most of him running bags and tight ends and lineman
Speaker 8: and just word myself to death. So when I look
Speaker 8: at the defense, because you know, all you see is
Speaker 8: number eleven, but a lot of people telling me about
Speaker 8: Overshowing and the other kid thirty three from l s U.
Speaker 5: His name Clark, the Mount Clark. I don't know why
Speaker 5: I can't grab his name. This guy remember it.
Speaker 8: But you know I'm Landry too. You know, call him
Speaker 8: by the numbers. It's more simple. But these two guys
Speaker 8: open my eyes and made me realize these kids can
Speaker 8: actually be well, one of them already is. But Overshown
Speaker 8: can play day one. Yeah, when if the season was
Speaker 8: open tomorrow and coach say, hey, over shown is our
Speaker 8: will slash Nickel Nickel, Mike Backer, I would not have
Speaker 8: a problem with it.
Speaker 5: They just make plays.
Speaker 8: They come downhill, and when they don't make their play,
Speaker 8: they're still in the right gap. They're in the right place.
Speaker 8: And that forces you to other guys, and so I'm
Speaker 8: with you. The defense to me has no has no
Speaker 8: no holes.
Speaker 5: Offense.
Speaker 8: That's just you know, it's a it's a different story,
Speaker 8: which we talked about in the first segment, you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and I think the I think the stronger
Speaker 6: point with the defense that we've we've come to get
Speaker 6: accustomed with over the course of the last I guess
Speaker 6: ten to twelve games that they've played is the fact
Speaker 6: that all eleven guys do their job.
Speaker 7: And that was evident in a preseason game.
Speaker 6: So I think that's that's huge towards the potential of
Speaker 6: this defense this year because when everybody's on the same page,
Speaker 6: everybody's doing their job, then whenever that second level has
Speaker 6: to fill gaps, that's all they gotta do.
Speaker 7: They just got to do their job.
Speaker 6: They don't have to step back and coverage because a
Speaker 6: nickel missed their assignment. They don't have to, you know,
Speaker 6: fill a gap that they're not supposed to because a
Speaker 6: defensive lineman's in the wrong play.
Speaker 7: So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 6: This defense is gonna be great, and I think we
Speaker 6: could see that even in the preseason with a lot
Speaker 6: of the starters that were already out.
Speaker 2: I asked Dan Quinn on Thursday last week, got a
Speaker 2: chance to sit down with him and kind of prepare
Speaker 2: some content for the Seattle game that's coming up. And
Speaker 2: I asked him the question. I was like, who who
Speaker 2: has been the biggest not surprised, but who's been the
Speaker 2: best rookie who's been one of the rookie standouts on
Speaker 2: your unit? And it hit the first name and it
Speaker 2: was no hesitation. He said, de over shown. He really
Speaker 2: likes what he've seen from De Marvian Overshown, And I
Speaker 2: said rookie specifically, so keep that in mind. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a couple guys there. He also brought up Eric
Speaker 2: Scott Junior a couple seconds later, just talking about what
Speaker 2: he's done and the defense and knowing his assignments, but
Speaker 2: the fact that Overshown is doing what he can. When
Speaker 2: he was drafted, everybody looked at each other and said,
Speaker 2: that's a dan Quinn guy. That was a long rangeye,
Speaker 2: has some safety background, has some position versatility. That's a
Speaker 2: dan Quinn guy. And he can put him anywhere and
Speaker 2: play him anywhere and just hope that an offense doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. And that's a pretty good hope.
Speaker 2: So based off of what you've seen from these linebackers,
Speaker 2: it's almost the opposite of what happened with the offensive line.
Speaker 2: You came into camp saying offensive line depth and linebacker death,
Speaker 2: you need some young guys to step up in both regards.
Speaker 2: I could argue right now that offensive line hasn't had
Speaker 2: a step up, hasn't had a show out in terms
Speaker 2: of the depth, but the linebackers certainly have with both
Speaker 2: them on Clark, Tomarvin, Overshrow, and I thought Malik Jefferson
Speaker 2: prior to the injury on Saturday, was having a fantastic
Speaker 2: camp too. So I think the linebacker depth has stepped
Speaker 2: up in a way that the offensive line depth hasn't.
Speaker 6: I'll say this about the offensive line depth. There are
Speaker 6: some guys that have a surprised me during camp and
Speaker 6: be have taken the next step and I but I
Speaker 6: just don't feel like anybody is really taking that step
Speaker 6: to be the sixth guy, to be that guy who
Speaker 6: can be relied upon the great ways down. You know,
Speaker 6: you mentioned TJ. Bass, You mentioned Austin Richards. I think
Speaker 6: he had a really strong outing on Saturday afternoon. Brock
Speaker 6: Hoffman is another guy that had a really strong outing
Speaker 6: on Saturday afternoon as the center got a lot of
Speaker 6: reps at center which was interesting to see as a
Speaker 6: you know, a potential interior depth guy. But I just
Speaker 6: need to see one or even two of those guys
Speaker 6: take that next step and be the sixth to sixth
Speaker 6: or seventh guy.
Speaker 7: So I just feel like we haven't seen that.
Speaker 8: And what we mean by that is be consistent. See,
Speaker 8: you're not gonna as obvious a linement. Your hands are
Speaker 8: not gonna always be perfect inside, You're not gonna always have.
Speaker 5: A perfect deuce box, but you split it right down
Speaker 5: the middle.
Speaker 8: But guys that fruise to give up, Guys that are
Speaker 8: willing to fight, you know, to take a stance, you know,
Speaker 8: And this is what we're talking about. If we just
Speaker 8: need for a guy to say, hey, I'm the man.
Speaker 8: You know, you may run over me, but you know what,
Speaker 8: it's gonna be.
Speaker 5: A trench just wide in the ground with me hankering
Speaker 5: down to fight you every step of the way. That's
Speaker 5: what we need.
Speaker 8: And that comes with reps for Hoffing and all these
Speaker 8: guys and Awesome and these guys they need reps. And
Speaker 8: and sometime I think you have to move on from
Speaker 8: other guys to give these guys the rep. So I
Speaker 8: want to watch practices day to see who's the starting
Speaker 8: who's the backup left guard, who's the swing tackle? Because
Speaker 8: now with coaches watching film, they should be narrowing it
Speaker 8: down and by but by the end of this game
Speaker 8: that's coming up, we will see see it even more.
Speaker 5: Who is the backup guys?
Speaker 2: Who do you feel like right now? Is that guy
Speaker 2: the guy that's most likely to step up and fill
Speaker 2: that role that you're alluding to, the one that you're saying, Hey.
Speaker 5: Swing tackle is I think is awesome.
Speaker 8: I mean, it could be different for him, but I
Speaker 8: think I would get seventy sixth opportunity, okay, to be
Speaker 8: the swing be the swing tackle, and I would work
Speaker 8: him there exclusively.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: And I'm I'm not one of these guys that believe
Speaker 8: that if one guy go down and we all talking
Speaker 8: about Tyrone Smith, if he goes down, now you slide
Speaker 8: this guy out, you put this guy. You got to
Speaker 8: make eight.
Speaker 5: Moves for one guy.
Speaker 8: I'm just praying that if something happened to Tyrone, we
Speaker 8: leave Tyler Smith at the guard and we have awesome
Speaker 8: or we have idoga.
Speaker 5: You know, he's stiff.
Speaker 8: I don't like him, not as a human but as
Speaker 8: a player. He's stiffen iron board man. I see boards
Speaker 8: have more flex, but uh, that.
Speaker 5: That isn't my guy.
Speaker 8: Maybe he's a gamer like the guy we brought in
Speaker 8: last year, the big kid All Pro Hall of Famer
Speaker 8: last year, Peter. Yeah, you know, he could give us
Speaker 8: thirty forty plays, you know, and that's what we would
Speaker 8: need from these guys.
Speaker 6: I think with his body type is more of a guard,
Speaker 6: it's more of an interior guy, and that's that's where
Speaker 6: he's gotten a lot of his reps during a career too.
Speaker 6: So you know, before he went down injury last week,
Speaker 6: I wanted to see a lot more reps at interior.
Speaker 6: But to that same point, I was talking with Nick
Speaker 6: Eatman yesterday and he brought up a really good point.
Speaker 6: The fact that Austin Richards started at left tackle was
Speaker 6: really interesting, and I think we've been thinking about that
Speaker 6: over of course in the last few days, and Nick
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, it was probably set for Tuma to
Speaker 6: get that start at left tackle, but then once he
Speaker 6: went down, Austome had to step in and take those reps.
Speaker 6: And that's a really good point and a I think
Speaker 6: Austome did really well with that challenge. I'm excited to
Speaker 6: talk to Awesome today because I just want to talk
Speaker 6: to him about that game planning and having to kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, some cram.
Speaker 2: For that test.
Speaker 6: But he did well at left tackle and when he
Speaker 6: slide slid into left guard, I think he did even better.
Speaker 7: So I want to see more reps at both of
Speaker 7: those spots for him.
Speaker 2: The two one to zero sending us a text saying,
Speaker 2: good morning, guys, what have you seen from TJ Bass?
Speaker 2: And do you think he could step in if something
Speaker 2: is needed from him?
Speaker 8: His strength is in his legs and he had to
Speaker 8: play through that. He's got to get a better strike
Speaker 8: and he's got to always play from a leverage position.
Speaker 8: He's always got to play with his knees bent, in
Speaker 8: his hips bent, and his head up in his chest back.
Speaker 8: So he's gonna have to be a technician. But I
Speaker 8: think coach Clari likes him. He's gonna give him, give
Speaker 8: him opportunity. But with all preseason games, the first one,
Speaker 8: the guys that have already been established, gets the first run.
Speaker 8: After the preseason game, then it's every man for himself.
Speaker 8: Now coaches say, you know what, let's put seventy six there,
Speaker 8: which is awesome. Let's put TJ. Bassard I think it's
Speaker 8: sixty six. Let's put him at this right guard, and
Speaker 8: let's give him a first run with the first team.
Speaker 8: You know, they'll mix a match.
Speaker 7: And the thing with TJ.
Speaker 6: Bass I know, I've talked about it on the show
Speaker 6: a couple of times. I think it's it's what he
Speaker 6: comes from. His offensive line coach at Oregon that went
Speaker 6: out of his way to go recruit him whenever he
Speaker 6: was coming out of the JUCO ranks, Alex Mirrable, who
Speaker 6: I in my opinion, is the best offensive line coach
Speaker 6: in the country. It's hilarious because he's like five ft four,
Speaker 6: He's this tall, but he's.
Speaker 5: Tony wise like yeah, my old coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but man, he that technique is what is so
Speaker 6: strong with him and right, guys that come out of
Speaker 6: that system at Oregon.
Speaker 7: Mirball is now at Miami.
Speaker 6: But guys that were coming out of that system at
Speaker 6: Oregon come out with so much technique and just pristine movement.
Speaker 7: And I see that from TJ.
Speaker 6: Bass He has those strong legs, like you said, he
Speaker 6: has that lower half that drives forward. He's got the
Speaker 6: great hands. So it's just about putting it together and
Speaker 6: like you said, stay and consistent. That's gonna be the
Speaker 6: biggest thing for him.
Speaker 2: And while Saturday was also our first opportunity to see
Speaker 2: the offensive line, it could also be our first opportunity
Speaker 2: to see Mike McCarthy as a play caller as well,
Speaker 2: and how this West Coast scheme could work out and
Speaker 2: how it could continue to build as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a very thin margin of the playbook. But we
Speaker 2: got a question from the eight one seven Billy. He says,
Speaker 2: was the play calling just held back? Was he rusty?
Speaker 2: Was it vanilla? What did you guys see from the
Speaker 2: way that Mike McCarthy called the game. I didn't have
Speaker 2: any problem with it. It's the first preseason game. It's
Speaker 2: probably going to be a little bit vanilla because you
Speaker 2: don't want to show anything on offense. But what did
Speaker 2: you guys think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you also have to think, Ky, you know
Speaker 6: your personnel and the personnel that was on the field,
Speaker 6: it doesn't necessarily reflect what will be out there in
Speaker 6: Week one, especially from a skill perspective. I mean, you
Speaker 6: didn't have CD Lamb, you didn't have Brandon Cooks, you
Speaker 6: didn't have Tony Pollard, you didn't have Dak Prescott, so
Speaker 6: I get as far as play calling specifically, you have
Speaker 6: to keep it kind of quote unquote dry. I don't
Speaker 6: want to call it dry, but I guess that's the
Speaker 6: best way to put it, just because.
Speaker 7: You, Yeah, I know a little part of the sponsored thing.
Speaker 5: You shit well on this show.
Speaker 7: Isaiah would love you. But shoot, I lost my trade
Speaker 7: of thought.
Speaker 2: But it's all good.
Speaker 6: The play calling, I think it was drive to a
Speaker 6: certain extent, but you don't want to open up everything
Speaker 6: in the preseason. I think what we could take away
Speaker 6: from a play calling perspective is that he's going to
Speaker 6: put the guys on the field. He's going to play
Speaker 6: to their strengths. And one specific moment stood out to me.
Speaker 6: It wasn't executed, but they were put in the right
Speaker 6: spot to uh to execute. The Cowboys were in plus
Speaker 6: territory I believe it was late in the second quarter
Speaker 6: early in the third and had about a second and
Speaker 6: eight situation and they went back to back slants to
Speaker 6: Jalen Brooks and Will Greer couldnt connect with him on
Speaker 6: either of those attempts. It was kind of a rough
Speaker 6: for Jalen Brooks to get either of those attempts. But
Speaker 6: what we've seen through camp is Jalen Brooks taking those slants,
Speaker 6: being physical, creating that early separation and getting that ball
Speaker 6: and driving up field to get that first down. That's
Speaker 6: that's exactly what this offense is. It's putting those guys
Speaker 6: in the best positions to succeed. It just wasn't really
Speaker 6: executed at that point. But going forward to Seattle, you're
Speaker 6: going to see a slant to Jalen Brooks in a
Speaker 6: second and you know, long situation or so just to
Speaker 6: pick up that first down, because that's what he's best at,
Speaker 6: and that's what we see from this offen.
Speaker 2: We'll just added just on top of that. I mean,
Speaker 2: Brooks was a little bit banged up in the game too.
Speaker 2: He had had ankle tape and wrapped up. He said
Speaker 2: it was on one of the first passing plays of
Speaker 2: the game. He just kind of put a foot in
Speaker 2: the ground and it slipped a little bit and it
Speaker 2: just kind of He's fine. He's not on the injury
Speaker 2: reporter and a last he might be on the injury
Speaker 2: report if it showed up, but he would be a
Speaker 2: full participant. He's not missing time. But he just said,
Speaker 2: man I wasn't one hundred percent. I wasn't able to
Speaker 2: run the routes the way that I wanted to. I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to play with that ferocity that I've been
Speaker 2: showing in camp. I mean, there's a couple things there
Speaker 2: to think about. With Jaylen Brooks. I'm excited for him
Speaker 2: to be fully healthy and get a chance at it
Speaker 2: and to continue to roll.
Speaker 5: The one thing that Nick said over and over and
Speaker 5: I just it is so true. He was calling nice plays.
Speaker 5: It's just lack of execution.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: Will Grill wasn't on target for most of the first
Speaker 8: when he first got in it, maybe his first ten
Speaker 8: or twelve plays, he wasn't on target. The guys wasn't
Speaker 8: blocking the way by time Dukes got in the game,
Speaker 8: because you saw him calling those plays. But all of
Speaker 8: a sudden they were working. So it was about execution
Speaker 8: with me. And when I watch, when I'm watching early
Speaker 8: in the year, he's still playing to these guys' strength.
Speaker 8: If you're this type of guy, if you are runner, Donald,
Speaker 8: you are runner, I'm gonna run you. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 8: you the ball.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 8: And he and he's looking, but he's also trying to
Speaker 8: figure out what he can and cannot do with you,
Speaker 8: So it still comes down to execution.
Speaker 5: Don't worry about to play. Call him coaches. That's why
Speaker 5: he was brought here.
Speaker 8: And I didn't speak to the coach for the first
Speaker 8: year because I was mad because I want him to
Speaker 8: call plays.
Speaker 5: Oh you're doing, coach, Hey, how you doing? Nate? I
Speaker 5: just look at it, you know. But now, I mean
Speaker 5: every day I see Him'm hugging me. This guy he's weird.
Speaker 5: Now I'm not weird, just saut it. Love for you, coach,
Speaker 5: I want you to call plays.
Speaker 7: I think something else that was interesting. You brought it up.
Speaker 6: As far as the running backs is it was kind
Speaker 6: of chucked down central. Yes, yes, he talked about in
Speaker 6: the press conference yesterday. They got ten receptions to running backs,
Speaker 6: thirty one total touches to running backs. So it's it's
Speaker 6: tough to bring out your entire offense when you're trying
Speaker 6: to figure out who is RB.
Speaker 7: Two and you have to distribute those touches accordingly.
Speaker 6: So you're not going to see this full product honestly
Speaker 6: until like week three, because there's still gonna be something
Speaker 6: through in the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: The preseason for you guys, scrimmish to me. The first
Speaker 8: four games of the year is preseason to me. So
Speaker 8: you hear me talk scrimmage to preseason. Then about the
Speaker 8: fifth game, everybody should be in place, you know normally
Speaker 8: the major injuries done happened, and everybody the wound. And
Speaker 8: while how you doing, coach Harris, Good to see you, man,
Speaker 8: You're great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Now we haven't.
Speaker 5: Run into We're gonna be there in a minute.
Speaker 2: We've got an extra mic over here. All if you've
Speaker 2: got time. I love you, man, But.
Speaker 8: Nick man, I'm gonna do this openly, and because I
Speaker 8: like you, I appreciate it. We're gonna get y'all, Jesse Holly,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna take Nick.
Speaker 5: No, please, don't. I love Jesse. I I love Jesse too.
Speaker 5: He's very informative. But Nick is an old iron man.
Speaker 2: This is yeah, that's exactly what this is. He's about
Speaker 2: to get fine tampering.
Speaker 5: Let's switch it.
Speaker 2: Since he's an offensive line man, let's switch it to
Speaker 2: the defense. Get him off of his heyday three six
Speaker 2: zero says Curious on jan Yer Thomas's play the interception
Speaker 2: to start the game. He said, what better way to
Speaker 2: start on defense. That's Marco fan from Vancouver.
Speaker 5: Let me say this right here.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to defer to Nick and you because
Speaker 8: I'm telling you I was not looking at secondary, I
Speaker 8: was not looking at in line, but even linebackers.
Speaker 5: I admitted it. So what do you guys think about
Speaker 5: these guys?
Speaker 6: I will say about Wan Dyer right off the bat. There's,
Speaker 6: first off, there's no better way to start a game
Speaker 6: than to pick off Trevor Lawrence on his very first
Speaker 6: passing attempts. But I really like what I've seen from
Speaker 6: Wandier throughout training camp. He's been extremely physical, He's been
Speaker 6: in the right places, He's done his job, and I
Speaker 6: think that's what's so important to put him in that
Speaker 6: position to succeed. And there's more to that play than
Speaker 6: just getting the interception. It's being in that right place.
Speaker 6: But talking about his overall game performance, I liked what
Speaker 6: I saw from him. I think there were things that
Speaker 6: he has done out here that wasn't quite translated to
Speaker 6: the game field, but I have overall, man, you have
Speaker 6: to like what Wan Ye's done. I think we talked
Speaker 6: about it. I think last night a little bit that
Speaker 6: safety conversation is getting a little interesting in the depth
Speaker 6: of that room because of the guys that are stepping
Speaker 6: up and you know, showing their presence with Donovan Wilson
Speaker 6: being out with injury.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the defensive front because you
Speaker 2: might not have been watching the secondary, but I know
Speaker 2: you're watching the defense.
Speaker 8: I think the defensive front played well. Osa, he's ready, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know he's ready.
Speaker 2: So I would take the paths off. I think I would.
Speaker 8: And I'll keep saying this same thing. Uh for for Mazie.
Speaker 8: You know, sir, you're You're not the strongest man in
Speaker 8: the NFL. This is some office a lineman that can
Speaker 8: they they And when we were talking to camping camping
Speaker 8: out last night and uh Patrick c was saying, hey,
Speaker 8: his strength, this is strength that and I wanted to
Speaker 8: debate him, but I'm not going to debate him.
Speaker 5: Because smart smart. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well the thing is because I'm not you never hear
Speaker 8: me say you around to hear me say I played. No,
Speaker 8: I'm not going that route. But I wanted to tell
Speaker 8: him if I was playing against Mazie, I would punch
Speaker 8: Mozzie rapped in his chest and for the next sixty snaps.
Speaker 8: I know he gonna try to man handle me, but
Speaker 8: guess who. He won't touch my running back or my quarterback.
Speaker 8: Eat me alive, baby, That's what I'm here for. You
Speaker 8: get what I'm saying, and that's why, and that is
Speaker 8: my problem.
Speaker 5: That is my deal. You can't just sink into everybody
Speaker 5: on every play. You just can't throw it. Even if
Speaker 5: you take me and throw me, as long as you
Speaker 5: don't throw me back into the quarterback, who cares. So
Speaker 5: that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 8: He has to learn to not only use that power,
Speaker 8: but take a step to the right, take a step
Speaker 8: to the left, close down because if he closed on
Speaker 8: the running game the way these linebackers run, oh Man,
Speaker 8: Layton overshown and clock.
Speaker 5: But these dudes gonna kill some folks.
Speaker 8: And if they missed him, then number forty one, my
Speaker 8: homeboy gonna get them.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Markey's bail is who I'm talking about
Speaker 8: coming to get you.
Speaker 5: Donovan. You gotta sew your game, baby. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'll say this about the defensive front.
Speaker 6: I think a guy that I really wanted to see
Speaker 6: more from and I didn't with Sam Williams. I expected
Speaker 6: him being the guy that was in the quote unquote
Speaker 6: Micah Role on Saturday. You know, they had him coming
Speaker 6: off both edges. They had him even dropp him back
Speaker 6: at a couple of times. I wanted to see more
Speaker 6: from Sam Williams. I would like to see more from
Speaker 6: him in Seattle. So as far as you know, also
Speaker 6: a DIGGI Zua having a great a great out and
Speaker 6: go ahead, take the pads off him, put on the
Speaker 6: bubble wrap. Not quite with Sam Williams. I wanted him
Speaker 6: to get some more reps. I think he needs it
Speaker 6: going into the season because I think he's gonna have.
Speaker 7: A huge year. Two.
Speaker 8: The thing is, and I don't notice, but he walked
Speaker 8: out of practice a couple of times early.
Speaker 5: Is he Is he okay physically?
Speaker 2: It's a shoulder.
Speaker 6: He's battling a shoulder problem, but it's not it's not
Speaker 6: serious enough where they would keep himut in the preseason.
Speaker 6: So I think he had separated it maybe at one
Speaker 6: point popped it back in and he's just kind of
Speaker 6: dealing with that, you know football.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's just a football injury, all right. When
Speaker 2: we come back speaking of a guy that's that's played
Speaker 2: through some injury before he now has a new home, Ezekill.
Speaker 2: Elliott is now in New England. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about the running back position and we'll wrap things up
Speaker 2: when we come back with more talking cowboys.
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Speaker 2: Alongside Nick Harris, formerly Nate Newton. Nate had some other duties.
Speaker 2: He's got to go as a busy man. He's got
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Speaker 2: Gets ready to file in the gates here and get
Speaker 2: ready for practice on Tuesday, have one more padded practice tomorrow,
Speaker 2: and then it's off to Seattle on Friday to really
Speaker 2: get ready for that second preseason game. One other news
Speaker 2: and note that we've got to hit. Ezekiel Elliott has
Speaker 2: signed a one year deal six million dollars in New
Speaker 2: New England. He is now officially a part of the
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. It's it's a bittersweet day, I think
Speaker 2: for those that cover the team and that those that
Speaker 2: cheered for the Cowboys really since twenty sixteen, but and.
Speaker 7: Those on the team as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt the fact that he is officially no
Speaker 2: longer going to wear the star on the side of
Speaker 2: his helmet, but also the fact that he has a
Speaker 2: chance to go and show out in New England. I
Speaker 2: put out a tweet yesterday, I'm super happy for Zeke.
Speaker 2: I really am. I'm pumped that he got a spot.
Speaker 2: He's in a good situation with a great coaching staff,
Speaker 2: and outside of Week four, I hope he puts up
Speaker 2: great numbers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I hope he has a great year. What are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on on his signing and also how that could
Speaker 2: affect really the long term visibility of this running back.
Speaker 6: I'll even say him scoring in week four, there'll be
Speaker 6: some cheers in the crowd effect, There'll be a couple,
Speaker 6: but there'll be a couple booze but the absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: But you know, I'm super excited for Ezekiel Elliott, not
Speaker 6: only getting an opportunity like he's going to have in
Speaker 6: New England to you know, take on a bigger role
Speaker 6: than he even had last year. You know, he's gonna
Speaker 6: be alongside Andre Stevenson. I think that's a really fun
Speaker 6: running back duo, and you know he's gonna be able
Speaker 6: to make some things happen in that running back room
Speaker 6: and on that offense.
Speaker 7: But not only the fact that he's on.
Speaker 6: A team, but also he's going back to fifteen, he's
Speaker 6: going back to the old hair style. He's tapping into
Speaker 6: you know who he was whenever he came into this league.
Speaker 6: So you know, I'm excited for his new opportunity. I
Speaker 6: think he's gonna flourish in it. I think he's gonna
Speaker 6: have a really big year. I would I would have
Speaker 6: him as my flex on my fantasy team, Okay, just
Speaker 6: to you know, keep him around.
Speaker 2: Just as a possibility there. I like that idea. Now,
Speaker 2: would you keep any of the guys that showed out
Speaker 2: as RB two or three, or four or five on Saturday?
Speaker 2: Would you keep them as your flex on your fantasy
Speaker 2: team if they've played for the Dallas.
Speaker 6: Coup Man, that's a that's a good one, Kyle, that's
Speaker 6: I like how you put that one.
Speaker 7: Right now.
Speaker 6: No, just because I we've talked about it, I don't
Speaker 6: think there's a cemented guy that's that's number two right now.
Speaker 6: You can make a case for any four or five
Speaker 6: of those guys, and I'd be like, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: You know, I think there's a logistical debate for every
Speaker 6: guy that's vying for that spot. Let's run him down
Speaker 6: really quick. Rigo Dubdell, you know, he shows that burst.
Speaker 6: He's got kind of that big body set. He's going
Speaker 6: to be probably one of your better pass protectors in
Speaker 6: that room. Duce Vaughan kind of speaks for itself, but
Speaker 6: he's gonna have that big playability. He's going to be
Speaker 6: the fan favorite. He's going to be huge out of
Speaker 6: the receiving game and on special teams. You got Malik
Speaker 6: Davis similar to both of those guys.
Speaker 7: He's got that burst.
Speaker 6: Maybe needs a little bit more improvement in pass pro.
Speaker 6: He had a really bad moment in the game on Saturday,
Speaker 6: and it was kind of being thrown into the fire
Speaker 6: right in those first couple of drives from Elik Davis.
Speaker 6: I'd like to see him get some more valuable reps
Speaker 6: on Saturday in Seattle. But then Ronald Jones, obviously he's
Speaker 6: dealing with that two game suspension to start the season
Speaker 6: and with the groin injury out here, still trying to
Speaker 6: work him back into the rotation. You know, if he
Speaker 6: does get back in, he's gonna have to make a
Speaker 6: splash immediately, just because he's having less opportunity as each
Speaker 6: day goes by. And then Hunter Lopke really quick, great
Speaker 6: in pass protection, probably the best one of that group,
Speaker 6: and he's gonna get you those hard fought you know.
Speaker 7: Short yard of the yards.
Speaker 2: You think that gives a better shot for a guy
Speaker 2: like Hunter Lipke to make the roster than even Ronald Jones.
Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily knocking Ronald Jones. He's just got
Speaker 2: an uphill battle knowing that his contract's more expensive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's dealing with a suspension and right now he's dealing
Speaker 2: with an injury.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would think so for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 6: A Lipkey is a lot younger, you know, coming in
Speaker 6: as a rookie, and be I think he's a lot
Speaker 6: more versatile. You know, he's he's shown at North Dakota
Speaker 6: State and he's shown even out here that he can
Speaker 6: do a little bit more things. He can be that
Speaker 6: pass protector, he can take a couple of receptions out
Speaker 6: of the backfield if he needs to. He can you know,
Speaker 6: get those harder and short yarded yards. You know, his
Speaker 6: very first carry came in plus territory. It was around
Speaker 6: the thirty yard line I think on Saturday, and he
Speaker 6: just bulldozed a couple of guys to get five six
Speaker 6: yards and I was like, Yeah, that's that Bison there.
Speaker 6: So you know, I would love to see Lipkey get
Speaker 6: some more reps. I don't I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 6: be RB two here by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 6: but I think he'd be a really fun guy to
Speaker 6: keep around.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how this running back room unfolds,
Speaker 2: and we'll have another chance at it on Saturday to
Speaker 2: see them against Seattle. Seattle's got a pretty deep front
Speaker 2: seven too. I mean, the more that you look at
Speaker 2: their defense, they have some names that are on both
Speaker 2: the first and second teams, depending on even if they
Speaker 2: play the starters. I think you'll see a good amount
Speaker 2: of talent from a running back standpoint. So it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a good test for this offensive line. Again, it'll
Speaker 2: be a great test for the running backs and to
Speaker 2: see their explosiveness, their ball security if you're talking about
Speaker 2: Rico Dowdell. So for the most part, I think Saturday
Speaker 2: will possibly provide some clearance. I don't think this past
Speaker 2: Saturday did, if anything, has just showed Duson can play,
Speaker 2: which we kind of expected and we were excited to see.
Speaker 2: But now you've got a chance to see it flourish
Speaker 2: a little bit more. You can say, Okay, Duvon can
Speaker 2: really play, or maybe Rico Dowdell is your number two back.
Speaker 2: But it gives you some clarity as opposed to maybe
Speaker 2: looking outside and potentially finding another one of those veteran
Speaker 2: running backs that around the market.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we talked about it with Nate.
Speaker 6: As far as the offensive line, that trickles down to
Speaker 6: all of these possession groups. Just consistency, And I think
Speaker 6: that's all they're trying to look for in our to
Speaker 6: a guy that they can bring in whenever Tony Poler
Speaker 6: needs to step off the field and they know what
Speaker 6: they're gonna get out of him. That could be three yards,
Speaker 6: that could be seven yards. It's just let's let's see
Speaker 6: consistency there. So uh, I think that's probably the biggest
Speaker 6: thing that we're looking for in these next two weeks
Speaker 6: in the preseason. I think that's why the spotlight is
Speaker 6: so bright, because fans just want to see why fans
Speaker 6: just want to see that guy that is consistently showing
Speaker 6: up every week.
Speaker 7: Right now, it's Deuce one.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe we got forty five minutes into
Speaker 2: the show before we had our first Duce Vaughan mentioned
Speaker 2: after on Saturday. So we apologize, Duce, but hey, we
Speaker 2: got you in there and we'll talk plenty More'll be
Speaker 2: all right, Uh Thursday, we'll be back with another Talking
Speaker 2: Cowboys nine to am on the Pacific Coast eleven am
Speaker 2: Central time. Patrick no Cy Walker will make his triumphant
Speaker 2: return on Thursday.
Speaker 7: Steal him back.
Speaker 2: We're taking him back. We may even try and take
Speaker 2: Nate back. Who knows, Oh the way, Nate's leaving on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: So we'll have Patrick for sure on Thursday, with more
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