WEBVTT - 2018 Big 12 Autopsy Rulings 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to the solid verbal. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.440 I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.680 heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.840 you want to be happy for Dake Edith. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:19.680 State is that woom woom and Dan and Tie welcome 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.320 back to the solid verbal, Boys and girls, My name 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.239 is ty Hilden Brandon, joining me as always over there 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.240 in fatherly New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, Sir, 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:35.440 how are you? Was just lowering the register usually I 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.120 take it up. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.080 Yeah, going low. I like that Big twelve after dark. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.800 That's right, that's right. Today we're doing what Big twelve 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.280 twenty eighteen autopsy rulings? Correct? 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:52.080 Yeah, so listen. Full disclosure is I just got off 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.680 the horn with I was about to say Jake Tapper, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:55.480 which would would have. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.760 Been even better, have been a different kind of show. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:03.000 He his insights into the Texas Tech defensive improvements just remarkable. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.640 He knew nothing, he knew nothing at all times why 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.600 it was remarkable, But I kept pressing it. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:09.360 No. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.040 With Jake Trotter from ESPN, we've had him on before. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.520 He's obviously terrific. Has been covering college football for a 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.560 while for ESPN, as was at the Austin American Statesman, 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.680 so deep within Big twelve country in I believe the 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.160 Oklahoma City area. So went through all of the teams 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.640 with my normal way of doing things of making him 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.160 select number between one and ten, and that's how he 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.760 got into things for the most part. But a lot 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.160 of quality insights. But before we get to that tie, Yeah, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.840 when you look at the Big twelve as it relates 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.840 to how last season ended, and I would say a 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.600 relatively fun way. We had the West Virginia Oklahoma blood 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.480 bath going back and forth. We had Texas surprising Georgia 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.200 in I believe the Sugar Bowl, and Oklahoma looking like 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.760 garbage early against Alabama but then coming on somewhat impressively 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.640 for the duration. As you look at twenty eighteen now 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.840 going into now in the off season, going into the 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.480 twenty nineteen season, what are your general impressions? Where is 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.080 your brain with the Big twelve? 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.720 Well, I think I am drawn first and foremost to 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.360 the situation at Oklahoma with Jalen Hurts, Yeah, seemingly taking 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.800 over for Kyler Murray. I'm interested in the Kyler Murray 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.200 draft angle. I know that doesn't pertain to next season, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.840 but that's something of interest to me. I want to 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.119 reflex on Oklahoma and their future for sure. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:28.639 Oh my god. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.720 Yeah, I'm very curious to see what the next chapter 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.880 of Lincoln Riley looks like because first chapter we knew 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.280 Baker Mayfield was a stud quarterback, and I think we 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.280 at least some members of the broadcasting duo here had 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.200 their suspicions that he might be working with another stud 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.040 in Kyler Murray. Jalen Hurts is really good. I don't 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.480 think he's as good, nearly as good as either of 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.399 those two guys, So how Lincoln Riley manages that situation 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.919 is interesting to me. Texas, I've been waiting for tech 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.360 Is to be officially back. It's starting to feel like 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.800 a fool's errand to sit here waiting for it. But 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.160 I think Texas, certainly, this class that Tom Herman brought 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.040 in was pretty good, and yeah, with Murley Klaim, i 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.040 think Texas will be back quote unquote back before long, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.639 and I'm curious to see if they can serve as 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.560 that counterbalance to Oklahoma. Otherwise, though, looking around the conference, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.360 we've got a new coach at West Virginia, which you know, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.280 your boy, Neil Brown, coming up from Troy. My guy, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:38.520 Iowa State always plucky, yep, I would say, we talked 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.120 about this before. I think you are I think pluckiness 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.120 sells Iowa State shorts. Oh, for sure, they are full 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.560 on good. I would agree with OJ. Yeah. The Baylor 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.840 situation is interesting to me because I feel like they 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.000 took a step forward. It could have been more of 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.080 a step forward. They still shot themselves in the foot 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.440 too much. Matt will clearly a guy in demand, So 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.080 if he puts in another season where there is improvement 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.560 on the field, I'm curious to see how long he 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.160 stays in Waco. And then looking around the rest of 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:09.960 the conference. What we got a new coach at k State, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.080 We got a new coach at Texas Tech, we got 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.880 a new coach at Kansas. The only other two schools 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.159 are TCU and Oklahoma State, and both of them have 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.720 to improve this season. I think they have to improve 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.839 this coming season. I love when it works out. By 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.200 the way, because you mentioned new coaches. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.800 I love when it works out that we get like 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.200 a third of a conference having new coaches. It's like 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.640 actually a high profile place like the NFL. This year 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.240 it is we had it with the SEC last year 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.839 with Florida and Tennessee and Mississippi State old myths, although 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.800 that was a little bit diceier, not as direct a situation. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.159 I do like when we and Jimbo obviously at Texas, 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.360 A and M. I like when we have mass turnover, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.720 even though I don't love coaches losing their jobs love. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.240 I love a good refresh, tie, reboot, reboot. Yeah. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.960 So I look, we're headed to a spot in the 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.560 Big twelve where I feel like, again it's probably Oklahoma 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.680 at the top, just given their depth of talent. But 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.560 outside of Texas, I think probably being a clear second, 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.360 it's wide open. It's wide open the rest of the way, 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.800 and generally speaking, that makes for really tricky predictions. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.120 Yeah, I predict we'll be very wrong. That is my 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.960 prediction about our predictions. No, I think you nailed a 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.280 lot of it. I think it's the Texas Oklahoma at 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.520 the top, but I don't think anything is as entrenched 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.560 on that top tier as perhaps it has been with 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.000 Oklahoma these past couple of years. And certainly Jalen Hurts 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.680 has played in huge games, has succeeded in a lot 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.000 of big games, and has a dynamic adds a dynamic 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.320 to his to at least what Oklahoma does on offense. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.919 That certainly he's bigger than Kyler Murray. He is a 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.279 better runner than either Kyler Murray in terms of his 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.760 size and what he's able to do in the open 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.400 field than Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray. So what does 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.680 a predominantly round based Oklahoma team look like. I think 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.560 it's fascinating. Texas replaces a lot upfront on both sides 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.479 of the ball. I almost I won't say I forgot, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.240 because that's not true, but I didn't fully remember how 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.119 good and fun Brock Purty with Hakeem Butler and David 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.080 Montgomery were. I think they went six. Sad they went six? 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.800 And can I be honest, can I fess something here? 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.480 As you asked me? And this was not planned. The 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.280 show's never played. But no, never ever, as we were talking, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.839 as I was talking through all the teams in the 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.120 Big twelve, I could not remember the name of the 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.360 quarterback for Iowa State, And I know that's tremendous early 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.400 season disrespect. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:37.440 Oh my god. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.600 All I kept thinking of was zeb Noland, and I 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:40.719 knew that couldn't be right. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.200 But Prety like a brock Star is already. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.520 No, it's the off season from college football. You're building 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.400 a patio, you have to print on the bran, and 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.200 all sorts of stuff going on here at Suliverbowl. We 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.240 have Valley headquarters. And yeah, it does a bit of 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.160 a disservice to Iowa State to call them plucky. And 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.039 particularly Brock Purty, who did Purty like a brock Star 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.279 all year. Was really good. Gave new life to that 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.520 offense and I'm excited to see his development because he 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:09.279 was just a freshman. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.920 And this is all to say, we've gone seven plus 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.600 minutes without mentioning and putting respect on the Cheese It 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.440 Bowl champions. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.080 The TCU horn Frogs. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.040 That's your TCU horn Frogs, Your TCU horn frog always 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.840 in forever, always in forever. So I do think it's 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.520 a fascinating conference. The conversation went quite well. We obviously 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.120 talked about food, We talked a little McConaughey, and a 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.560 lot of Big twelve football. I don't know if there's 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.840 anything else you want to add before we get to it, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.160 but if there is, this is when you should do 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:38.680 so tough. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.760 You meant you mentioned McConaughey, and I want to come 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.400 back to McConaughey, ok, but not until later on in 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:43.720 this show. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.640 Okay, fine, I'm with it. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:51.280 So on that note, as Dan eluded Jake Trotter ESPN 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.760 talking all things Big twelve, the twenty eighteen Big Twelve 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.680 Conference autopsy rulings of the school. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 With that, we, or rather I am joined by Jake 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.280 Trotter of ESPN, a man who lives in Big twelve country, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.520 who knows Big twelve country, and who is going to 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.400 be able to answer the following question better than most 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:17.280 will be able to. And that question is have you 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:22.440 yet filed a Foyer request for the official agenda and 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.920 responsibilities of Matthew McConaughey as Texas's Minister of Culture. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.680 I thought this was gonna be a food question. I 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:30.600 was not ready for that. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.880 No food, Okay, all right. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.760 I have not filed a an open record z act 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.679 for the details and responsibilities of the Minister of Culture, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.760 mister McConaughey, but I would be interested to see, you 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.320 know what this. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.040 Job evolves into it or in football season, because it 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.720 has been fascinating during basketball. I envisioned him being like 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.880 in the press box on the headset come September when 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:01.600 the long one stake the field in. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.920 The so a press box rather than field level. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.440 Yeah, I kind of see him more as like an 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.040 x's and o's guys in football, Like he's more motivation 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.679 in basketball. I think it's going to translate to, you know, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.760 play calling responsibilities by the time we get the football season. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.600 See, in my mind, I had the over under about 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.080 three and a half of games it will take for 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.960 Matthew McConaughey to run out onto the field to separate 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.040 a fight, to celebrate with the player after a big sack, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.080 Like I think, especially with Texas's history with what was it, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.840 mac Brown's son in law interfering with the play, I 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.800 think everything's on the table for Matthew McConaughey receiving a 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.080 penalty during the twenty nineteen season. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.040 You see this more like a strength like a pseudo 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.120 strength coach. Yes, in other words, Okay, yeah, that makes sense. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:47.880 I can see that. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.439 Yeah, it's sort of a strength of mind coach. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.600 As McConaughey played a coach in a movie. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.800 By the way, Marshall, I feel like. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:01.160 I need to get his IMBD MDB thing up. But yeah, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.080 he was in we are Marshall, that is correct, Yes, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.560 you are right. So, yeah, he. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.959 Has the cred, he has the coaching cred. He may 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.400 receive a penalty. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.080 He's basically qualified. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.840 All right, it's going off in Vegas at plus three 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.520 point fifty. Matthew McConaughey received some sort of conduct penalty 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.880 during the twenty nineteen season. And with that, now let's 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.880 start with Texas. Why not, because they are going to 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.080 be the team that is probably going to receive the 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.280 most attention in the way of will they won't they? 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.320 And this is a Texas team that won actually in 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.280 different ways. In twenty seventeen it was defense. Twenty eighteen 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.600 it was an offensive step forward. They lose a bunch 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.480 upfront on both sides of the ball, and it's really 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.360 it's biggest weapons downfield on offense. So given what they return, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.760 does a good twenty nineteen Texas team look closer to 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.040 the best of twenty seventeen or the best of twenty eighteen? 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:58.959 Oh boy, twenty So I think that Texas has got 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.880 to be at least as good as they were last 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.560 year in order for twenty nineteen to be considered anything 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.440 remotely near a success and probably better than they were 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.160 in twenty eighteen. I don't know if they answered your 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.960 question or not. I'm trying to think that Texas twenty seventeen. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.360 I guess will they be led by offense or defense 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.800 this year? If they are successful? 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.600 Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.160 the history the Big Twelve, the teams that win Big 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.680 tild titles have what they have elite quarterbacks. So unless 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.840 you have like Tyler Murray, nless, you have Baker Mayfield, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.960 unless you have Ben Young, Colt McCoy, these are the 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.040 quarterbacks that win Big twel titles. And if you don't 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.080 have a guy like that, there are a couple of outliers, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.360 but for the most part, you have very little chance 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.520 to win the Big tall and history suggests that you're 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.160 gonna have a very hard time competing that. When you 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.040 look at Texas over the last decade, that's been the 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.120 obvious hole that they have had. They have not had 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.600 an elite quarterback behind center. They have that it looks 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.440 like now in Sam Ellinger, and he you know, he 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.439 had some moments as a true freshman. We remember the 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.400 USC game. You know, he scared Oklahoma to death before 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.840 he left with a head injury, and last year he 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.280 really took a big step forward and I thought was 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.120 quietly one of the ten to fifteen best quarterbacks in 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.000 the country. And I think he's one of the ten 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.840 bests going into the season this year. So they're going 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.160 to be I think, you know, you have to be 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.840 good defensively at times, but you have to be elite 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.319 at quarterback all the time in the Big Twelve. So 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:34.160 I think for Texas to be a Big Twelve championship team, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.040 it's probably no matter what they do defensibly is going 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.040 to hinge on what Sam Aligher can do at quarterback. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:47.360 Fair give me a number between two and ten. That way, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.959 I will not determine which team we talk about. Texas 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.160 was the easy transition after the minister of a Minister 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.559 of culture talk. Give me a number between two and ten, 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.360 and I have a team associated at random with those numbers. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:12:59.839 So just any number. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.080 I'll go with seven, any number between two and ten. Seven, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.400 all right? Number seven? Is Kansas State one of the 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.520 lower profile stories in the Big twelve, I would say, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.240 even considering the coaching transition going from Bill Snyder to 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.240 Chris Cleman. So I mean the question is easy. How 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.720 has the transition been in a situation that could have 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:27.720 been pretty clunky, especially after a disappointing season that really 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.360 saw Kansas State come within yards of ball eligibility and 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:31.959 not get it. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.280 Yeah, I mean I think it's gone. Okay. It was 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:39.560 never going to be great just because Bill Snyder. I mean, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.240 all Kansas State football is is Bill Snyder. That's all 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.559 that we've known, at least when Kansas State has been 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.160 decent to good to great. So I think that the 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.720 higher they made made a lot of sense given the 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.840 obstacles that Kansas State spaces, given some of the strengths 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.520 that they have. There is a lot of similarities between 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.679 Manhattan and and and Fargo and the type of players 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.319 you have to recruit and development and develop. And you know, 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.720 Chris Climan did a tremendous job, you know, developing those 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.199 players at North Dakota State. I mean, the they, I mean, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.600 they they are beyond what Alabama is at the FBS level, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.560 what they've done in the s f C S and 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.640 I think they had their best team yet this past 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.320 season up there. You know, they retained a couple of 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.960 assistants from uh the Snyder era, including you know, former 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:37.280 Heisman contender Colin Klein at quarterback, who's gonna stay on 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.720 the offensive side of the ball. That will help son Schnyder. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.480 Bill Sun He's not going to be in a coaching 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.280 role like he was under Bilbo. He'll be in the administration. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.720 So there's a little bit of a bridge there between 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.040 the Snyder and climate eras I think for for Kansas State, though, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.240 you know, they they have got to do a little 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.600 bit better job in uh recruiting and developing talent that 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.640 that maybe did at the end of the the Snyder era. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.400 You know, Kansas State is always going to you know, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.320 they're going to get those walk ons. They're going to 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.200 get the guys in Salina, Kansas that nobody knew about. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.760 They're going to get the guys that maybe were big 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.480 time wrestlers and uh, you know that translated to football 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.840 or you know, the guys that might be a step 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.200 slow or a little bit short, but can really play 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.520 the game of football. But you know, they always had 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.080 like you know, Tyler Lockett or or Darren Sproulls and 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.960 and it didn't feel like they had a lot of 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.040 that here these last two or three years. And but 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.480 you know, both those guys were overlooked for a variety 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.400 of different reasons. And I'm not saying they've got to 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.840 go out and sign the five star guys to get 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.800 you know, underclimbing, but they've got to find some firepower 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.080 that they have just not had offensively. I mean, you 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.160 can run clock and you can you know, ball control, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.280 but you still have to make plays. And they just 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.760 had a hard time keeping up with people these last 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.400 couple of years, which is why they took a little 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.240 bit of a step back from you know, twenty fourteen 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.480 when they had a chance to win the Big Twelve 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.280 and you know, we're a nine win team during the 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.080 regular season. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.640 Is he the answer or is it somebody else? If 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.000 you were asked the question of the new Big twelve coaches, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.720 so that's Les Miles, Chris Climban, Neil Brown half the league? Yeah? 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.720 Is he the answer of who is going to build 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.600 the most impressive program? You know twenty nineteen on and 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:33.840 Matt Wells in Texas Tech. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.280 Yeah, boy, that's tough. I mean I thought that there 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.160 were a lot of good hires in the Big Twelve 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.360 this year. You mentioned you mentioned that Wells who had 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.520 a lot of success at Utah State had ties to 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.560 the area. I mean you talked to people speaking of 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.520 Kansas State. I mean their other finalists was Neil Brown, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.400 and I think going into the process, they felt like 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.640 Climban was going to be their guy. You know, Jean 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.240 Taylor hired climb In when he was at North Dakota 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.320 State the ad Kansas State now, but Neil Brown was 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.600 so impressive during the interview process that they really were 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.640 torn between the two before ultimately going with the guy 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.680 that they felt like was going to be their guy 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.640 all along. And so you know, West Virginia getting Neil Brown, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.120 I think has a chance to be a home run 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.680 higher as well from everything that I've heard about him 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.520 and his capacity as a football coach. I thought there 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.400 were a lot of solid hires in the Big Twelve 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.680 this year, and I thought that for the most part, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.520 everybody made about the best possible hire that they could make. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.480 You know, the one question mark I think is less 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.560 Miles at Kansas just because you know, Kansas has such 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.640 a long way to go, and can less who's been 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.760 out of coaching, you know, he's been out of the 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.879 Big Twelve for a long time. That the league is 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.840 completely different than when he was at Oklahoma State. You know, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.880 can he you know, turned them around. I think that 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.119 On the one hand, like I've been the Lawrence which is, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.200 you know, beautiful campus, but not a great football stadium 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.639 facility area, And I'd been there when you could count 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.720 the number of people in the stands before the game. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.800 I remember I was at the Kansas TCU game twenty fourteen. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.520 Trayvon Boykin was a quarterback there at TCU almost made 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.200 the playoff, and I could count there were like three 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.959 hundred and like seventeen people in the stands at kickoff. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.320 Now it was cold, to be sure, but like I 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.520 there were so few people I literally counted them. I'm 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.320 not lying because I was like, I think I can 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.919 count the number of people in the stands and there 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.640 were probably more people on the field than there were 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.119 in the stadium at kickoff. At least less is going 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.520 to bring some excitement, some you know, some some buzz 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.600 that they so desperately need because they've got to get 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.040 people interested in football game before they do anything else. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.320 But once the game start, you know, is he going 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.000 to be able to you know, make them competitive? Maybe 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.159 he will be able to. But I also felt like 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.679 Kansas maybe had an opportunity to do something you know, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.280 against the grain, like I don't know, going and you know, 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.760 hiring somebody like Jeff Mounkin to run the option or 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.919 just something different that maybe would speed up the competitive 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:20.000 gap that they face because you know, to David Baty's credit, 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.080 you know, the former coach there at they David strides 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.240 between uh when he first started and when he was fired. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.160 You know, they were much more competitive and they were better, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.160 but they are still so far away just from being 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.159 the next to last team in the Big twelve. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.320 Is it a talent thing? Is it a just general infrastructure? 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.760 Obviously you mentioned people not being super interested in Lawrence 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.119 and football, But what is what is the actual vision, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.560 whether it's it's Less Miles or somebody else, what is 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.879 the vision for making Kansas and Lawrence a destination for 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.080 competitive football? 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.119 Well, facilities is at the top of the list. You 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.199 know they were, they were, you know, marketing on a 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.119 capital project up there before they made the switch at 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.399 eighty to Jeff Long. But you know that's still you know, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.919 that's still a priority to pour a lot of money, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.000 you know, two hundred and fifty to three hundred million 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:19.720 dollars into the football facility, the stadium up there, which 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.680 I mean it's not even it's not even a glorified 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.080 high school stadium. It's basically worse than some high school 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.840 high school stadiums you'll find in say the state of Texas. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.639 So you know, that's up that's up there. They've got 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.320 to get more bodies. I mean when Charlie Wiss because 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.040 of the Charlie Weis era there. You know, when Bety 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.640 took over, they had like fifty two scholarship players. Everybody 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.520 else is eighty five. Now they gave a bunch of 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.320 walk on scholarships, so it made it seem like they 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.680 had eighty five. But at the end of the day, 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.680 you know, they still only have I would say, between 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.040