Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've
Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy,
Speaker 2: you want to be happy for Dake Edith.
Speaker 3: State is that woom woom and Dan and Tie welcome
Speaker 3: back to the solid verbal, Boys and girls, My name
Speaker 3: is ty Hilden Brandon, joining me as always over there
Speaker 3: in fatherly New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, Sir,
Speaker 3: how are you? Was just lowering the register usually I
Speaker 3: take it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going low. I like that Big twelve after dark.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Today we're doing what Big twelve
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen autopsy rulings? Correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen. Full disclosure is I just got off
Speaker 1: the horn with I was about to say Jake Tapper,
Speaker 1: which would would have.
Speaker 3: Been even better, have been a different kind of show.
Speaker 1: He his insights into the Texas Tech defensive improvements just remarkable.
Speaker 1: He knew nothing, he knew nothing at all times why
Speaker 1: it was remarkable, But I kept pressing it.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: With Jake Trotter from ESPN, we've had him on before.
Speaker 1: He's obviously terrific. Has been covering college football for a
Speaker 1: while for ESPN, as was at the Austin American Statesman,
Speaker 1: so deep within Big twelve country in I believe the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City area. So went through all of the teams
Speaker 1: with my normal way of doing things of making him
Speaker 1: select number between one and ten, and that's how he
Speaker 1: got into things for the most part. But a lot
Speaker 1: of quality insights. But before we get to that tie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you look at the Big twelve as it relates
Speaker 1: to how last season ended, and I would say a
Speaker 1: relatively fun way. We had the West Virginia Oklahoma blood
Speaker 1: bath going back and forth. We had Texas surprising Georgia
Speaker 1: in I believe the Sugar Bowl, and Oklahoma looking like
Speaker 1: garbage early against Alabama but then coming on somewhat impressively
Speaker 1: for the duration. As you look at twenty eighteen now
Speaker 1: going into now in the off season, going into the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, what are your general impressions? Where is
Speaker 1: your brain with the Big twelve?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I am drawn first and foremost to
Speaker 3: the situation at Oklahoma with Jalen Hurts, Yeah, seemingly taking
Speaker 3: over for Kyler Murray. I'm interested in the Kyler Murray
Speaker 3: draft angle. I know that doesn't pertain to next season,
Speaker 3: but that's something of interest to me. I want to
Speaker 3: reflex on Oklahoma and their future for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very curious to see what the next chapter
Speaker 3: of Lincoln Riley looks like because first chapter we knew
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield was a stud quarterback, and I think we
Speaker 3: at least some members of the broadcasting duo here had
Speaker 3: their suspicions that he might be working with another stud
Speaker 3: in Kyler Murray. Jalen Hurts is really good. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's as good, nearly as good as either of
Speaker 3: those two guys, So how Lincoln Riley manages that situation
Speaker 3: is interesting to me. Texas, I've been waiting for tech
Speaker 3: Is to be officially back. It's starting to feel like
Speaker 3: a fool's errand to sit here waiting for it. But
Speaker 3: I think Texas, certainly, this class that Tom Herman brought
Speaker 3: in was pretty good, and yeah, with Murley Klaim, i
Speaker 3: think Texas will be back quote unquote back before long,
Speaker 3: and I'm curious to see if they can serve as
Speaker 3: that counterbalance to Oklahoma. Otherwise, though, looking around the conference,
Speaker 3: we've got a new coach at West Virginia, which you know,
Speaker 3: your boy, Neil Brown, coming up from Troy. My guy,
Speaker 3: Iowa State always plucky, yep, I would say, we talked
Speaker 3: about this before. I think you are I think pluckiness
Speaker 3: sells Iowa State shorts. Oh, for sure, they are full
Speaker 3: on good. I would agree with OJ. Yeah. The Baylor
Speaker 3: situation is interesting to me because I feel like they
Speaker 3: took a step forward. It could have been more of
Speaker 3: a step forward. They still shot themselves in the foot
Speaker 3: too much. Matt will clearly a guy in demand, So
Speaker 3: if he puts in another season where there is improvement
Speaker 3: on the field, I'm curious to see how long he
Speaker 3: stays in Waco. And then looking around the rest of
Speaker 3: the conference. What we got a new coach at k State,
Speaker 3: We got a new coach at Texas Tech, we got
Speaker 3: a new coach at Kansas. The only other two schools
Speaker 3: are TCU and Oklahoma State, and both of them have
Speaker 3: to improve this season. I think they have to improve
Speaker 3: this coming season. I love when it works out. By
Speaker 3: the way, because you mentioned new coaches.
Speaker 1: I love when it works out that we get like
Speaker 1: a third of a conference having new coaches. It's like
Speaker 1: actually a high profile place like the NFL. This year
Speaker 1: it is we had it with the SEC last year
Speaker 1: with Florida and Tennessee and Mississippi State old myths, although
Speaker 1: that was a little bit diceier, not as direct a situation.
Speaker 1: I do like when we and Jimbo obviously at Texas,
Speaker 1: A and M. I like when we have mass turnover,
Speaker 1: even though I don't love coaches losing their jobs love.
Speaker 1: I love a good refresh, tie, reboot, reboot. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I look, we're headed to a spot in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve where I feel like, again it's probably Oklahoma
Speaker 3: at the top, just given their depth of talent. But
Speaker 3: outside of Texas, I think probably being a clear second,
Speaker 3: it's wide open. It's wide open the rest of the way,
Speaker 3: and generally speaking, that makes for really tricky predictions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I predict we'll be very wrong. That is my
Speaker 1: prediction about our predictions. No, I think you nailed a
Speaker 1: lot of it. I think it's the Texas Oklahoma at
Speaker 1: the top, but I don't think anything is as entrenched
Speaker 1: on that top tier as perhaps it has been with
Speaker 1: Oklahoma these past couple of years. And certainly Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: has played in huge games, has succeeded in a lot
Speaker 1: of big games, and has a dynamic adds a dynamic
Speaker 1: to his to at least what Oklahoma does on offense.
Speaker 1: That certainly he's bigger than Kyler Murray. He is a
Speaker 1: better runner than either Kyler Murray in terms of his
Speaker 1: size and what he's able to do in the open
Speaker 1: field than Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray. So what does
Speaker 1: a predominantly round based Oklahoma team look like. I think
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Texas replaces a lot upfront on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. I almost I won't say I forgot,
Speaker 1: because that's not true, but I didn't fully remember how
Speaker 1: good and fun Brock Purty with Hakeem Butler and David
Speaker 1: Montgomery were. I think they went six. Sad they went six?
Speaker 3: And can I be honest, can I fess something here?
Speaker 3: As you asked me? And this was not planned. The
Speaker 3: show's never played. But no, never ever, as we were talking,
Speaker 3: as I was talking through all the teams in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve, I could not remember the name of the
Speaker 3: quarterback for Iowa State, And I know that's tremendous early
Speaker 3: season disrespect.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: All I kept thinking of was zeb Noland, and I
Speaker 3: knew that couldn't be right.
Speaker 1: But Prety like a brock Star is already.
Speaker 3: No, it's the off season from college football. You're building
Speaker 3: a patio, you have to print on the bran, and
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff going on here at Suliverbowl. We
Speaker 3: have Valley headquarters. And yeah, it does a bit of
Speaker 3: a disservice to Iowa State to call them plucky. And
Speaker 3: particularly Brock Purty, who did Purty like a brock Star
Speaker 3: all year. Was really good. Gave new life to that
Speaker 3: offense and I'm excited to see his development because he
Speaker 3: was just a freshman.
Speaker 1: And this is all to say, we've gone seven plus
Speaker 1: minutes without mentioning and putting respect on the Cheese It
Speaker 1: Bowl champions.
Speaker 3: The TCU horn Frogs.
Speaker 1: That's your TCU horn Frogs, Your TCU horn frog always
Speaker 1: in forever, always in forever. So I do think it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating conference. The conversation went quite well. We obviously
Speaker 1: talked about food, We talked a little McConaughey, and a
Speaker 1: lot of Big twelve football. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: anything else you want to add before we get to it,
Speaker 1: but if there is, this is when you should do
Speaker 1: so tough.
Speaker 3: You meant you mentioned McConaughey, and I want to come
Speaker 3: back to McConaughey, ok, but not until later on in
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I'm with it.
Speaker 3: So on that note, as Dan eluded Jake Trotter ESPN
Speaker 3: talking all things Big twelve, the twenty eighteen Big Twelve
Speaker 3: Conference autopsy rulings of the school.
Speaker 1: With that, we, or rather I am joined by Jake
Speaker 1: Trotter of ESPN, a man who lives in Big twelve country,
Speaker 1: who knows Big twelve country, and who is going to
Speaker 1: be able to answer the following question better than most
Speaker 1: will be able to. And that question is have you
Speaker 1: yet filed a Foyer request for the official agenda and
Speaker 1: responsibilities of Matthew McConaughey as Texas's Minister of Culture.
Speaker 2: I thought this was gonna be a food question. I
Speaker 2: was not ready for that.
Speaker 1: No food, Okay, all right.
Speaker 4: I have not filed a an open record z act
Speaker 4: for the details and responsibilities of the Minister of Culture,
Speaker 4: mister McConaughey, but I would be interested to see, you
Speaker 4: know what this.
Speaker 2: Job evolves into it or in football season, because it
Speaker 2: has been fascinating during basketball. I envisioned him being like
Speaker 2: in the press box on the headset come September when
Speaker 2: the long one stake the field in.
Speaker 1: The so a press box rather than field level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of see him more as like an
Speaker 2: x's and o's guys in football, Like he's more motivation
Speaker 2: in basketball. I think it's going to translate to, you know,
Speaker 2: play calling responsibilities by the time we get the football season.
Speaker 1: See, in my mind, I had the over under about
Speaker 1: three and a half of games it will take for
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey to run out onto the field to separate
Speaker 1: a fight, to celebrate with the player after a big sack,
Speaker 1: Like I think, especially with Texas's history with what was it,
Speaker 1: mac Brown's son in law interfering with the play, I
Speaker 1: think everything's on the table for Matthew McConaughey receiving a
Speaker 1: penalty during the twenty nineteen season.
Speaker 2: You see this more like a strength like a pseudo
Speaker 2: strength coach. Yes, in other words, Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of a strength of mind coach.
Speaker 2: As McConaughey played a coach in a movie.
Speaker 1: By the way, Marshall, I feel like.
Speaker 2: I need to get his IMBD MDB thing up. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in we are Marshall, that is correct, Yes,
Speaker 2: you are right. So, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Has the cred, he has the coaching cred. He may
Speaker 1: receive a penalty.
Speaker 2: He's basically qualified.
Speaker 1: All right, it's going off in Vegas at plus three
Speaker 1: point fifty. Matthew McConaughey received some sort of conduct penalty
Speaker 1: during the twenty nineteen season. And with that, now let's
Speaker 1: start with Texas. Why not, because they are going to
Speaker 1: be the team that is probably going to receive the
Speaker 1: most attention in the way of will they won't they?
Speaker 1: And this is a Texas team that won actually in
Speaker 1: different ways. In twenty seventeen it was defense. Twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: it was an offensive step forward. They lose a bunch
Speaker 1: upfront on both sides of the ball, and it's really
Speaker 1: it's biggest weapons downfield on offense. So given what they return,
Speaker 1: does a good twenty nineteen Texas team look closer to
Speaker 1: the best of twenty seventeen or the best of twenty eighteen?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, twenty So I think that Texas has got
Speaker 2: to be at least as good as they were last
Speaker 2: year in order for twenty nineteen to be considered anything
Speaker 2: remotely near a success and probably better than they were
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. I don't know if they answered your
Speaker 2: question or not. I'm trying to think that Texas twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: I guess will they be led by offense or defense
Speaker 1: this year? If they are successful?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at
Speaker 2: the history the Big Twelve, the teams that win Big
Speaker 2: tild titles have what they have elite quarterbacks. So unless
Speaker 2: you have like Tyler Murray, nless, you have Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 2: unless you have Ben Young, Colt McCoy, these are the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that win Big twel titles. And if you don't
Speaker 2: have a guy like that, there are a couple of outliers,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, you have very little chance
Speaker 2: to win the Big tall and history suggests that you're
Speaker 2: gonna have a very hard time competing that. When you
Speaker 2: look at Texas over the last decade, that's been the
Speaker 2: obvious hole that they have had. They have not had
Speaker 2: an elite quarterback behind center. They have that it looks
Speaker 2: like now in Sam Ellinger, and he you know, he
Speaker 2: had some moments as a true freshman. We remember the
Speaker 2: USC game. You know, he scared Oklahoma to death before
Speaker 2: he left with a head injury, and last year he
Speaker 2: really took a big step forward and I thought was
Speaker 2: quietly one of the ten to fifteen best quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the country. And I think he's one of the ten
Speaker 2: bests going into the season this year. So they're going
Speaker 2: to be I think, you know, you have to be
Speaker 2: good defensively at times, but you have to be elite
Speaker 2: at quarterback all the time in the Big Twelve. So
Speaker 2: I think for Texas to be a Big Twelve championship team,
Speaker 2: it's probably no matter what they do defensibly is going
Speaker 2: to hinge on what Sam Aligher can do at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Fair give me a number between two and ten. That way,
Speaker 1: I will not determine which team we talk about. Texas
Speaker 1: was the easy transition after the minister of a Minister
Speaker 1: of culture talk. Give me a number between two and ten,
Speaker 1: and I have a team associated at random with those numbers.
Speaker 2: So just any number.
Speaker 1: I'll go with seven, any number between two and ten. Seven,
Speaker 1: all right? Number seven? Is Kansas State one of the
Speaker 1: lower profile stories in the Big twelve, I would say,
Speaker 1: even considering the coaching transition going from Bill Snyder to
Speaker 1: Chris Cleman. So I mean the question is easy. How
Speaker 1: has the transition been in a situation that could have
Speaker 1: been pretty clunky, especially after a disappointing season that really
Speaker 1: saw Kansas State come within yards of ball eligibility and
Speaker 1: not get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's gone. Okay. It was
Speaker 2: never going to be great just because Bill Snyder. I mean,
Speaker 2: all Kansas State football is is Bill Snyder. That's all
Speaker 2: that we've known, at least when Kansas State has been
Speaker 2: decent to good to great. So I think that the
Speaker 2: higher they made made a lot of sense given the
Speaker 2: obstacles that Kansas State spaces, given some of the strengths
Speaker 2: that they have. There is a lot of similarities between
Speaker 2: Manhattan and and and Fargo and the type of players
Speaker 2: you have to recruit and development and develop. And you know,
Speaker 2: Chris Climan did a tremendous job, you know, developing those
Speaker 2: players at North Dakota State. I mean, the they, I mean,
Speaker 2: they they are beyond what Alabama is at the FBS level,
Speaker 2: what they've done in the s f C S and
Speaker 2: I think they had their best team yet this past
Speaker 2: season up there. You know, they retained a couple of
Speaker 2: assistants from uh the Snyder era, including you know, former
Speaker 2: Heisman contender Colin Klein at quarterback, who's gonna stay on
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. That will help son Schnyder.
Speaker 2: Bill Sun He's not going to be in a coaching
Speaker 2: role like he was under Bilbo. He'll be in the administration.
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a bridge there between
Speaker 2: the Snyder and climate eras I think for for Kansas State, though,
Speaker 2: you know, they they have got to do a little
Speaker 2: bit better job in uh recruiting and developing talent that
Speaker 2: that maybe did at the end of the the Snyder era.
Speaker 2: You know, Kansas State is always going to you know,
Speaker 2: they're going to get those walk ons. They're going to
Speaker 2: get the guys in Salina, Kansas that nobody knew about.
Speaker 2: They're going to get the guys that maybe were big
Speaker 2: time wrestlers and uh, you know that translated to football
Speaker 2: or you know, the guys that might be a step
Speaker 2: slow or a little bit short, but can really play
Speaker 2: the game of football. But you know, they always had
Speaker 2: like you know, Tyler Lockett or or Darren Sproulls and
Speaker 2: and it didn't feel like they had a lot of
Speaker 2: that here these last two or three years. And but
Speaker 2: you know, both those guys were overlooked for a variety
Speaker 2: of different reasons. And I'm not saying they've got to
Speaker 2: go out and sign the five star guys to get
Speaker 2: you know, underclimbing, but they've got to find some firepower
Speaker 2: that they have just not had offensively. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can run clock and you can you know, ball control,
Speaker 2: but you still have to make plays. And they just
Speaker 2: had a hard time keeping up with people these last
Speaker 2: couple of years, which is why they took a little
Speaker 2: bit of a step back from you know, twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: when they had a chance to win the Big Twelve
Speaker 2: and you know, we're a nine win team during the
Speaker 2: regular season.
Speaker 1: Is he the answer or is it somebody else? If
Speaker 1: you were asked the question of the new Big twelve coaches,
Speaker 1: so that's Les Miles, Chris Climban, Neil Brown half the league? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he the answer of who is going to build
Speaker 1: the most impressive program? You know twenty nineteen on and
Speaker 1: Matt Wells in Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, that's tough. I mean I thought that there
Speaker 2: were a lot of good hires in the Big Twelve
Speaker 2: this year. You mentioned you mentioned that Wells who had
Speaker 2: a lot of success at Utah State had ties to
Speaker 2: the area. I mean you talked to people speaking of
Speaker 2: Kansas State. I mean their other finalists was Neil Brown,
Speaker 2: and I think going into the process, they felt like
Speaker 2: Climban was going to be their guy. You know, Jean
Speaker 2: Taylor hired climb In when he was at North Dakota
Speaker 2: State the ad Kansas State now, but Neil Brown was
Speaker 2: so impressive during the interview process that they really were
Speaker 2: torn between the two before ultimately going with the guy
Speaker 2: that they felt like was going to be their guy
Speaker 2: all along. And so you know, West Virginia getting Neil Brown,
Speaker 2: I think has a chance to be a home run
Speaker 2: higher as well from everything that I've heard about him
Speaker 2: and his capacity as a football coach. I thought there
Speaker 2: were a lot of solid hires in the Big Twelve
Speaker 2: this year, and I thought that for the most part,
Speaker 2: everybody made about the best possible hire that they could make.
Speaker 2: You know, the one question mark I think is less
Speaker 2: Miles at Kansas just because you know, Kansas has such
Speaker 2: a long way to go, and can less who's been
Speaker 2: out of coaching, you know, he's been out of the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve for a long time. That the league is
Speaker 2: completely different than when he was at Oklahoma State. You know,
Speaker 2: can he you know, turned them around. I think that
Speaker 2: On the one hand, like I've been the Lawrence which is,
Speaker 2: you know, beautiful campus, but not a great football stadium
Speaker 2: facility area, And I'd been there when you could count
Speaker 2: the number of people in the stands before the game.
Speaker 2: I remember I was at the Kansas TCU game twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Trayvon Boykin was a quarterback there at TCU almost made
Speaker 2: the playoff, and I could count there were like three
Speaker 2: hundred and like seventeen people in the stands at kickoff.
Speaker 2: Now it was cold, to be sure, but like I
Speaker 2: there were so few people I literally counted them. I'm
Speaker 2: not lying because I was like, I think I can
Speaker 2: count the number of people in the stands and there
Speaker 2: were probably more people on the field than there were
Speaker 2: in the stadium at kickoff. At least less is going
Speaker 2: to bring some excitement, some you know, some some buzz
Speaker 2: that they so desperately need because they've got to get
Speaker 2: people interested in football game before they do anything else.
Speaker 2: But once the game start, you know, is he going
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, make them competitive? Maybe
Speaker 2: he will be able to. But I also felt like
Speaker 2: Kansas maybe had an opportunity to do something you know,
Speaker 2: against the grain, like I don't know, going and you know,
Speaker 2: hiring somebody like Jeff Mounkin to run the option or
Speaker 2: just something different that maybe would speed up the competitive
Speaker 2: gap that they face because you know, to David Baty's credit,
Speaker 2: you know, the former coach there at they David strides
Speaker 2: between uh when he first started and when he was fired.
Speaker 2: You know, they were much more competitive and they were better,
Speaker 2: but they are still so far away just from being
Speaker 2: the next to last team in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: Is it a talent thing? Is it a just general infrastructure?
Speaker 1: Obviously you mentioned people not being super interested in Lawrence
Speaker 1: and football, But what is what is the actual vision,
Speaker 1: whether it's it's Less Miles or somebody else, what is
Speaker 1: the vision for making Kansas and Lawrence a destination for
Speaker 1: competitive football?
Speaker 2: Well, facilities is at the top of the list. You
Speaker 2: know they were, they were, you know, marketing on a
Speaker 2: capital project up there before they made the switch at
Speaker 2: eighty to Jeff Long. But you know that's still you know,
Speaker 2: that's still a priority to pour a lot of money,
Speaker 2: you know, two hundred and fifty to three hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars into the football facility, the stadium up there, which
Speaker 2: I mean it's not even it's not even a glorified
Speaker 2: high school stadium. It's basically worse than some high school
Speaker 2: high school stadiums you'll find in say the state of Texas.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's up that's up there. They've got
Speaker 2: to get more bodies. I mean when Charlie Wiss because
Speaker 2: of the Charlie Weis era there. You know, when Bety
Speaker 2: took over, they had like fifty two scholarship players. Everybody
Speaker 2: else is eighty five. Now they gave a bunch of
Speaker 2: walk on scholarships, so it made it seem like they
Speaker 2: had eighty five. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, they still only have I would say, between
Speaker 2: you know, sixty five and seventy five you know FBS level,
Speaker 2: you know, scholar caliber players. So that really has hurt
Speaker 2: their depth. You know, they lose one guy somewhere and
Speaker 2: the you know, the position group just completely falls apart.
Speaker 2: And it's talent. I mean, like you know, they've had
Speaker 2: some pretty good individual players, you know, particularly on the
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, but you need more than
Speaker 2: two or three guys in order to compete in the
Speaker 2: Big twelve, and they just they just haven't had enough,
Speaker 2: you know, above average players on their teams to to
Speaker 2: be competitive even with the lower run Big twelve programs.
Speaker 1: All right, give me a number ten nine, six, five,
Speaker 1: four three two four, go four, all right, four We're
Speaker 1: going to ames Iowa State proof that, right, A pretty
Speaker 1: down program with a good hire and some investment can
Speaker 1: turn things around. I think brock Perty went six and
Speaker 1: one this past year as a starter, and with that,
Speaker 1: the Clones have had specific breakthrough talent on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. Keem Butler, Joel Landing a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: David Montgomery, Who've I mean, these guys have come and
Speaker 1: gone these past couple of years. But do you expect
Speaker 1: Iowa State to go I guess from recruiting. Do do
Speaker 1: they go from having two, three, four of those types
Speaker 1: of guys to four, five, six, seven, eight nine of
Speaker 1: those guys?
Speaker 2: I think so, and I would stay quietly. You know,
Speaker 2: they lose a couple of their headliners, you know, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Montgomery and Butler, you know, to be sure, but
Speaker 2: they bring back the bulk of what was the best
Speaker 2: defense in the Big twelve last year. You know, a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys that are you know, all Big twelve caliber.
Speaker 2: Brock Purty, you know, was arguably the freshman of the
Speaker 2: year in the Big twelve this past season. I mean,
Speaker 2: i Was State only lost one game before the ball
Speaker 2: with him in quarterback, which was the game in Austin.
Speaker 2: They you know, and I don't know if you saw
Speaker 2: the Washington State ball game, but I mean they had
Speaker 2: every opportunity to win. That was a terrific game, and
Speaker 2: you know, Iowa State showed that, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people felt like until the end, at least Washington
Speaker 2: State was the class of the Pac twelve, and you know,
Speaker 2: they showed they belonged in that game. So I'm very
Speaker 2: bullish on h you know, Iowa State, especially with Purty
Speaker 2: and in his development. He was talking about Texas earlier
Speaker 2: and there the quarterback issues that the problem i the
Speaker 2: state has had basically since Cineca Wallace, uh you know,
Speaker 2: years ago, is that it looks like they've got their
Speaker 2: quarterback in the future and then for whatever reason, it
Speaker 2: doesn't carry over. And Joe Lanning was that guy. Then
Speaker 2: you know, he gets moved to linebacker because of you know,
Speaker 2: somebody else, and you know, they've had a lot of
Speaker 2: moment Yeah, they've got a lot of moments with quarterback
Speaker 2: u you know pile Kip. Yeah, uh, he has the injury.
Speaker 2: So now it's rock Party. I think that with Campbell
Speaker 2: and and that offensive infrastructure that they have, I feel
Speaker 2: pretty good about Party chances to become a really good player,
Speaker 2: not only in the Big Twelve but college football in general.
Speaker 2: But that is something that they have to That's a
Speaker 2: question they have to answer that that's really held them
Speaker 2: back from you know, being an occasional Boll team to
Speaker 2: like a consistent, you know, eight nine win team, you
Speaker 2: know every other year that they are kind of knocking
Speaker 2: on the door of becoming under Matt Campbell.
Speaker 1: Are they a beneficiary and this is to their credit
Speaker 1: for taking advantage? Are they the beneficiary of a lot
Speaker 1: of inconsistency and unrest in the sort of middle class
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve with you know, Texas Tech and
Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor and Kansas State all inexplicably having pretty
Speaker 1: disappointing last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although you know, they beat it's not like they
Speaker 2: have just beaten up on the middle tier teams. Su
Speaker 2: I was at the game a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: when it's one of the most like unforeseen upsets. I
Speaker 2: think I've ever been at where you know, I was
Speaker 2: to goes to Norman with their four string quarterback and
Speaker 2: they beat Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma in Norman, you know,
Speaker 2: a team that would go to the playoffs and and
Speaker 2: you know, have an overtime away from playing for the
Speaker 2: national championship. So they they've won a lot of those games,
Speaker 2: you know, against the you know the the the you
Speaker 2: know the the Oklahoma State, the TCUs kind of the
Speaker 2: you know, the middle you know, the middle tier of
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. But they've shown that they can beat
Speaker 2: the big boys too. You know, they beat TCU uh
Speaker 2: two years ago too. Maybe the two teams that played
Speaker 2: for Big Feld championship. They gave Oklahoma all it wanted
Speaker 2: basically again last year. So I think that you know,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State has maybe taking you know a little bit
Speaker 2: of a step back. T see a little bit of
Speaker 2: a step back in the past year. But I'm not
Speaker 2: so sure that I was States not where they are anyway,
Speaker 2: just because of how good they've been, and that goes
Speaker 2: across the board, regardless of the opponent that they have played, and.
Speaker 1: You are saying that there is a not zero chance
Speaker 1: that we are talking about twenty twenty All American linebacker
Speaker 1: Brock Purty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's He's gonna be the starting side
Speaker 2: end in the year. I will say I will say this.
Speaker 2: I think after Oklahoma in Texas, I think Iowa stated
Speaker 2: is the clear number three team in the Big twelve
Speaker 2: going into twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I'm with you. Give
Speaker 1: me a number ten, nine, six, five, three two cow two.
Speaker 1: We're talking Texas Tech. You mentioned Matt Wells and people
Speaker 1: being bullish in Lubbock, so both with who is coming back,
Speaker 1: and I know that I think they lose their best
Speaker 1: two receivers and the freshman now enrolling. How full was
Speaker 1: the cupboard left by Cliff Kingsbury and Lubberck and Lubbock
Speaker 1: excuse me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe more than people think. If if
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman doesn't now suffer a collapse long in that
Speaker 2: West Virginia game and then have the reoccurrence of it, uh,
Speaker 2: I think it was late in the second quarter a
Speaker 2: few weeks later against Oklahoma. Cliff Seinsbury is probably still
Speaker 2: a coach at Texas Tech. Yeah, you know, you you
Speaker 2: think there's a couple of games that they win, you know,
Speaker 2: because they were actually improved last year, particularly on the
Speaker 2: defensive side, but really across the board, and Bowman going
Speaker 2: down just really killed them because they they they just
Speaker 2: weren't consistent enough at quarterback after him and just another guy,
Speaker 2: you know, people focusing on you know, Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 2: then obviously you know Cliff's brief relationship with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: You know, Alan Bowman was uh, you know, you have
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, you have Adrian Martinez, but like after those guys, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Alan Bowman was right there with anybody, including
Speaker 2: brock Party.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He you know, he was putting up some monster numbers
Speaker 2: and they just kind of fell apart when when he
Speaker 2: got hurt. He's been cleared. You know, he's given me
Speaker 2: their starter going into the spring again. And I think
Speaker 2: he is a you know, legit good another legit good
Speaker 2: quarterback for Texas Tech. I think they've got you know,
Speaker 2: this is always the time of the year. I have a
Speaker 2: hard time courting, Like you know, he's a like number
Speaker 2: of resturning starters and all that. I feel like my
Speaker 2: brain just goes dead. In the month of February. But
Speaker 2: I don't want to say they have like eight starters back,
Speaker 2: seven starters back. Defensively off a defense that wasn't great,
Speaker 2: but certainly not the lacking stock to college football that
Speaker 2: it was three or four years ago. Their offensive line
Speaker 2: has got I believe three, four or five starters back,
Speaker 2: so they have a chance to actually be, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty good. I don't think they're a big told title contender,
Speaker 2: but I think they're a bowl team, and especially if
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman is healthy and plays in you know, eleven
Speaker 2: twelve games.
Speaker 1: What was it that separated Matt Wells from the other candidates,
Speaker 1: the other reported candidates for the Texas Tech job.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that success at Utah State. You and
Speaker 2: you think of Utah State. I mean, I think Lubbo's remote. Yes,
Speaker 2: they won, you know, they won ten games a couple
Speaker 2: of times. And he's actually from Shallasaw, Oklahoma, which is
Speaker 2: firmly in the Big twelve footprint at East Oklahoma, so
Speaker 2: he ties to the area. I think him bringing all
Speaker 2: his coordinators with him was the selling point in Keith Patterson,
Speaker 2: you know, ties to the area as well. And then
Speaker 2: David Yost, who was the the opoice coordinator at Missouri
Speaker 2: when they were I believe, still in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: So I think all that combined and then you know,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of changing things up a little bit
Speaker 2: from the air raid, which is something you Kirby Hope
Speaker 2: cut the ad they clearly wanted to do. I think
Speaker 2: all of that made him the guy. Really from the
Speaker 2: beginning for uh, you know, Kirby and and you were
Speaker 2: talking about some of these Big twelve programs and all
Speaker 2: the coaching changes. Pretty much everybody got their guy. Now
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know, whether any of them or all
Speaker 2: of them pan out. West Virginia got their number one guy,
Speaker 2: Kansas State Climban. We talked about him, Matt Wells. Uh
Speaker 2: that that was that was who they wanted, you know,
Speaker 2: clearly from the very beginning. And then you know, obviously
Speaker 2: with with less in Jeff Long. So everybody the bigto
Speaker 2: got the coach that they wanted to go get. And
Speaker 2: and so I think that that that's a positive sign
Speaker 2: for the league.
Speaker 1: Let's stick with new coaches and just talk about West Virginia.
Speaker 1: So I'm eliminating number ten on my list. But Neil Brown,
Speaker 1: you've brought up a couple of times as being impressive,
Speaker 1: as being the guy for West Virginia. What is it
Speaker 1: about Neil Brown that offers West Virginia that something that's
Speaker 1: a wrinkle different from Dana Holgerson, who accomplished a lot,
Speaker 1: relatively speaking in Morgantown with his offenses with defensive improvement.
Speaker 1: What is that wrinkle? What is that that addition of
Speaker 1: Neil that Neil Brown offers that perhaps is a step
Speaker 1: in not necessarily a better or worse, but a different
Speaker 1: direction than Dana Holgerson.
Speaker 2: You know, I I that that's probably a question I'll
Speaker 2: be better prepared to answer, you know, after springball or
Speaker 2: even in August, because I don't know. Uh, you know
Speaker 2: Neil personally, you know him having been at Troy, but again,
Speaker 2: you know, you talk to people. We talk to people
Speaker 2: in Kansas State, people at West Virginia, people at Troy,
Speaker 2: people coach with him, and they all rave about his organization,
Speaker 2: you know, his attention to detail. And I think that
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, there's just been a lot of tension
Speaker 2: there between the West Virginia administration and Dana Hogerson. It
Speaker 2: felt like they weren't completely all in with him being
Speaker 2: their coach, and he wasn't all in completely at times
Speaker 2: with being in Morgantown, and there was just this friction
Speaker 2: that kept kind of resurfacing, you know, every so often. Uh,
Speaker 2: and it finally came the head when you know West
Speaker 2: Virginia with Will Gear David Sills. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: for them to not get to the big old title game,
Speaker 2: I think was a disappointment. You know, they they they
Speaker 2: had the best quarterback on paper going into the year,
Speaker 2: and and they had the best, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the best offices in the country going into the year.
Speaker 2: And uh, despite having some big wins, you know, them
Speaker 2: not getting to Arlington, I think has to be considered
Speaker 2: a disappointment. And then you know, uh, you know, Holgerson
Speaker 2: in his side, they wanted an extension and and they
Speaker 2: want a bigger buyout, and you know West Virginia and
Speaker 2: Shane Lyons the ad, you know, they wanted to stick
Speaker 2: to their guns and not you know, attached more dollars
Speaker 2: to the buyout of the Contry Act. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of you know, what prompted Dana to leave to go
Speaker 2: to Houston. So I think just it was kind of time,
Speaker 2: I think for both sides to maybe go their separate directions,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that is given the program
Speaker 2: a little bit of rejuvenation that I think that the fans,
Speaker 2: the administration, the program, you know, probably will all benefit from.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you another question about West Virginia that you
Speaker 1: will probably answer similarly in the like this is what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, but I don't know for sure how well
Speaker 1: regarded as Austin Kendall, now that he has made his
Speaker 1: transfer and has been allowed to transfer from Oklahoma to
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Obviously West Virginia sees something in him, obviously
Speaker 1: Oklahoma saw something in him. How well regarded is the
Speaker 1: I guess presumptive Mountaineer starter at quarterback.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's a former ESPN three hundred recruit
Speaker 2: and he probably is Oklahoma starting quarterback at some point
Speaker 2: if they don't, you know, take in acted back transfer
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winners, and oh, by the way, maybe a
Speaker 2: guy who will be in contention to become the third
Speaker 2: in Jalen Hurts, who was the top free agent quarterback
Speaker 2: this past year. So he just kept getting over recruited,
Speaker 2: uh and finally wanted to go get his you know,
Speaker 2: opportunity somewhere else. He you know, I think that one
Speaker 2: thing that that that is going to benefit him and
Speaker 2: benefit wets Virginia is you just look at the track
Speaker 2: record of quarterback development at Oklahoma and it's pretty pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: And even though Austin didn't play a lot at OU,
Speaker 2: I just think being being in a room with Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield and Kyler Murray, you know, guys that are going
Speaker 2: to be first round you know, Baker already was, and
Speaker 2: Tyler presumably is gonna be first round pick as well,
Speaker 2: you know, being when those guys can't hurt, and being
Speaker 2: with a guy Lincoln Riley, who you know NFL teams
Speaker 2: were desperate to hire as a quarterback, grew this past offseason,
Speaker 2: you know, can't hurt. So I think all of that's
Speaker 2: gonna benefit you know, Austin kindall his chances of winning
Speaker 2: the starting job. But you know, I've been on West
Speaker 2: Virginia Radio and West Virginia a couple of times and
Speaker 2: they asked me what kind of quarterback he is. It's
Speaker 2: hard for me to say because he just has not
Speaker 2: played very much. We have not seen him play very much,
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit of a question, you know,
Speaker 2: how good he can be. The opportunity is definitely there
Speaker 2: at West Virginia and Jack Allison, you know, former transfer
Speaker 2: for Miami, probably would have been the projected starter had
Speaker 2: Kendall not transferred in. You know, West Virginia obviously got
Speaker 2: drilled in the Bowl game when Will Greer didn't play
Speaker 2: to focus on the NFL. So I think the opportunity
Speaker 2: is there, but how effective he's going to be remains
Speaker 2: to be seen. Now, he does have a connection to
Speaker 2: Neil Brown, which is sort of what facilitated you know,
Speaker 2: him going to West Virginia. Uh, you know, Brown was
Speaker 2: at Kentucky and they recruited Kendall out of high school.
Speaker 2: So I think that will help, but we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 2: I I think West Virginia is pretty fascinating because they
Speaker 2: really are Blank's lay in a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: All right, number three, five six or nine five?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 1: All right, five is easy, easy transition with Austin Kendall
Speaker 1: because five is Oklahoma and one of the clear, I
Speaker 1: guess crossovers between Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield was they
Speaker 1: were both fearless downfield, which is not not necessarily what
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts looked like the last time we saw him
Speaker 1: as a full time QB. So do you believe Oklahoma
Speaker 1: can reach similar at least heights doing things maybe a
Speaker 1: bit differently with a different type of quarterback, perhaps leaning
Speaker 1: on the ground game and maybe, hey, maybe an unpredictable
Speaker 1: defense that helps them win games. Can they win differently
Speaker 1: on a huge level?
Speaker 2: I think they can. Let's start with the offense. And
Speaker 2: you know, Baker and Kyler were a little bit different
Speaker 2: in their quarterbacking style, and I think Lincoln demonstrated pretty
Speaker 2: you know, impressive acumen for adjusting it and adapting the
Speaker 2: offense the Taylor the skill set of his quarterback. Now,
Speaker 2: after Baker left, I said, there's no way Oklahoma's offense
Speaker 2: is gonna be better. They're gonna they're gonna take a
Speaker 2: big step back. And so it's been coming on the
Speaker 2: defense to improve. Well, the defense got worse and at
Speaker 2: Oklahoma got back to the playoffs because their offense was
Speaker 2: even better under Kyler Murray. Now I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: that I think they're gonna be better under Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: and I expect them still to take a uh, not
Speaker 2: not just one step back, but probably two step backs
Speaker 2: offensively from what they have been. They could prove me
Speaker 2: wrong again, but I still think they think that they
Speaker 2: can be elite offensively because of Jalen Hurts. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a bigger quarterback than what they've had.
Speaker 2: You know, he's you know, six to two hundred plus pounds.
Speaker 2: You know, he is a he is a more physical,
Speaker 2: you know, physical type quarterback than what they've had, you know,
Speaker 2: even Baker. Even though Baker could scramble and break tackles, Jalen,
Speaker 2: you know, he can run over guys. And so I
Speaker 2: think they're going to have more of a you know,
Speaker 2: emphasis on running the quarterback, uh than they probably have
Speaker 2: had even with Kyler and his you know, as dynamic
Speaker 2: as he was, you know, a lot of it wasn't
Speaker 2: design and rhymes. It was just him taking off and
Speaker 2: and and and basically being unstoppable. But I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to be that different. And that's something Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley said, uh, you know a few weeks ago after
Speaker 2: they landed Jalen, that you know, we're going to run
Speaker 2: our office and uh So I think that they will
Speaker 2: be similar in a lot of ways, with a few
Speaker 2: tweaks here or there. Grant Calcatara, Ceedee Lamb, Creed Humphrey
Speaker 2: at tight end, wide receiver and center respectively. Could all
Speaker 2: be preseason All Americans, two different varying degrees. So they
Speaker 2: are still pretty loaded offensively, even though they've got to
Speaker 2: rebuild the offensive line you know, around the center in
Speaker 2: Humphrey and and they need to probably you know, a
Speaker 2: couple more receivers to step up around Lamb. But they
Speaker 2: have the capability to be like the top three you
Speaker 2: know who knows even better than that offense Again, now
Speaker 2: that they've got Jalen Hursts behind center, guy that's playing
Speaker 2: in a ton of big games and is not going
Speaker 2: to be rattled when they go down the Cotton Bowl,
Speaker 2: is not going to be rattled if they get to
Speaker 2: the bigdeal championship game, and won't be rattled if they
Speaker 2: get back to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I love the mystery. I love the mystery and his
Speaker 1: scary potential. Three to six or nine to three, we're
Speaker 1: going to go to three. We're going to talk about Baylor,
Speaker 1: who's their offense obviously took an enormous step forward in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but down the stretch the Bears they struggled.
Speaker 1: They struggled, moving the ball. I think they averaged thirteen
Speaker 1: points a game and those four losses in the second
Speaker 1: half of the season. So is what is the clearest
Speaker 1: reason to believe Baylor takes another step forward? Even if
Speaker 1: the defense is still defense was pretty rough last year
Speaker 1: and if they're around that, what is the reason to
Speaker 1: believe in an offensive mo forward?
Speaker 2: Well, the offensive line is still still got to get better.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that it was necessarily you know,
Speaker 2: strength at any point last year. And you know, defensively,
Speaker 2: you know, they've got to continue to improve their debt
Speaker 2: because you know, after everything that happened, they they they
Speaker 2: lost a lot of the debt that they'd really enjoyed
Speaker 2: in the trenches on both sides of the ball. But
Speaker 2: I think the biggest reason is Charlie Brewer. Like, if
Speaker 2: you're looking at returning quarterbacks in the Big Twelve, you
Speaker 2: might take Sam Ellinger, you might take Rock Purty. Even
Speaker 2: after that, I think that returning in the conference, Charlie
Speaker 2: Brewer is probably the next best quarterback. And for whatever
Speaker 2: reason they they he was kind of a part time
Speaker 2: starter player to begin the year, I thought he was
Speaker 2: clearly their best quarterback. But once he finally was installed
Speaker 2: as the guy. You know, he really had some nice moments.
Speaker 2: You're right, they did struggle to score offensively at times,
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, with him as the full
Speaker 2: time quarterback, I think they've got a chance. Listen, you
Speaker 2: have Oklahoma, you have Texas. I think they're the clear
Speaker 2: top two. I've said Io was stated to me is
Speaker 2: the clear top three. There isn't a clear top four.
Speaker 2: And you can make a very compelling case that Baylor
Speaker 2: could be right there for that fourth. Start with Charlie
Speaker 2: Brewer and Matt Rule. You know who is you know,
Speaker 2: one of the top coaches, not necessarily just in the
Speaker 2: Big twelve, but maybe you know college football with what
Speaker 2: he's done at Temple and the way he's turned around
Speaker 2: Taylor so quickly.
Speaker 1: Six or nine, let's go to nine. Number nine. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I just like to put respect on
Speaker 1: the cheese at Bowl champions names. That would be the
Speaker 1: TCU horn Frog.
Speaker 2: All. I was the best ball game of the year,
Speaker 2: wasn't it, By the way, I mean easily for entertainment purposes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't even a football game. At a certain point,
Speaker 1: you were just watching a monster truck rally. Go horribly wrong.
Speaker 1: It had my favorite penalty of the year with the
Speaker 1: forward pass play. It really had something for everybody.
Speaker 2: Forget Clemson, forget Trevor Lawrence. The big winner of the
Speaker 2: ball season last year I think was cheesy easily.
Speaker 1: We are saying we're not saying Wheatan, we are not
Speaker 1: saying Pepperidge Farm. We are sticking with cheese It, and
Speaker 1: we are rolling with the Ridges and the various flavors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the big winner. They have done themselves a lot
Speaker 1: of favors. Secondly, and less importantly, how much of twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen's TCU struggles were because of the crazy number of injuries,
Speaker 1: which there were undeniably and what could actually carry over
Speaker 1: even if Slash when the Frog's health luck actually bounces
Speaker 1: back to normal.
Speaker 2: I thought that last year was one of the best
Speaker 2: coaching jobs that Gary Patterson has done, because I thought
Speaker 2: that they were done about mid October. I thought that
Speaker 2: they were going to lose out and they lost to
Speaker 2: Kansas the next week, and I thought, especially after that,
Speaker 2: I think that they're not going to another game this year.
Speaker 2: And I think they only lost like one or two
Speaker 2: more games the rest of the season. That team somehow
Speaker 2: won seven games that was not a great team, in
Speaker 2: part because of the injuries that you reference, which especially
Speaker 2: hits them hard at the quarterback position. So I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, I think they're gonna be good defensively next year.
Speaker 2: It's usually a pretty good, pretty good bet with a
Speaker 2: Gary Patterson team. You know, they're gonna get Ross Blacklock,
Speaker 2: who would have maybe been the best defensive lineman in
Speaker 2: the entire Big Twelve this past season had he not
Speaker 2: suffered that season ending injury August, which really hurt him
Speaker 2: on the defensive interior. You know, if he's back to
Speaker 2: the guy that you know he was before that, then
Speaker 2: then you know they're gonna have an impact guy up
Speaker 2: front defensively. There might there may be I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a team in college football that has like
Speaker 2: four different guys who could win the quarterback job and
Speaker 2: I really don't know, like you could probably give them
Speaker 2: each about a twenty five percent chance to do so.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Collins took over for Sean Robinson who
Speaker 2: was since transferred to Missouri, you know, and had some
Speaker 2: moments before he got injured. Justin Rogers, who was, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the top quarterbacks in recruits in
Speaker 2: the country. A year ago, you know, had that devastating
Speaker 2: knee injury, you know, has the foot thing. Now, who
Speaker 2: knows if he's going to be healthy enough to really
Speaker 2: compete to the job. They've got Alex Delton from from
Speaker 2: Kansas State, a grad transfer quarterback who uh you know
Speaker 2: is is a specialist and that he's you know, he's
Speaker 2: a run first guy, but a pretty dynamic runner. So
Speaker 2: they've got you know, a lot of different options at
Speaker 2: quarterback without really you know, uh uh any one of
Speaker 2: them being I think the clear cut guy that's gonna
Speaker 2: be a big key for them is somebody winning that job.
Speaker 2: But Jalen Ray is you know, a superstar wide receiver
Speaker 2: that they couldn't get the ball enough to last year
Speaker 2: to their quarterback issues. You know, they're gonna be good
Speaker 2: a running back again. So I think that you know, TCU,
Speaker 2: if they can see healthy again. Talking about that number
Speaker 2: four spot in the Big twelve, they've shown that they
Speaker 2: you know, they have the pedigree defensively to that can
Speaker 2: give them a chance to compete in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: All Right, our final team obviously is Oklahoma State, who
Speaker 1: I believe like maybe seven of their last eight eight
Speaker 1: of their last and nine it was single digit either way.
Speaker 1: Everything was close. Everything either came down to them winning
Speaker 1: something close or losing something close. And they actually seem
Speaker 1: to be in a pretty great defensive place after the
Speaker 1: Boise State came and then they just full on warrant
Speaker 1: for basically the rest of the Big twelve season. What happens.
Speaker 1: Do you expect improvement on defense for the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: They were a completely schizophrenic team last year. They if
Speaker 2: you took Clemson in Alabama out of the picture, I
Speaker 2: think they were pretty much capable of beating anyone in
Speaker 2: college football and losing anyone college football last year, and
Speaker 2: they beat West Virginia, maybe Texas. They were a two
Speaker 2: point conversion away from beating Oklahoma in Norman. Meanwhile, they
Speaker 2: lose to TCU. They got just steamrolled inexplicably at Kansas State.
Speaker 2: They had some really bad losses, but they had some
Speaker 2: great wins too. You know, they with Tylan Wallason wide
Speaker 2: receiver and Tuba Hubbard at running back, they have a
Speaker 2: chance to be electric offensively, as they have been for
Speaker 2: the most part under Mike Gundy. The question for them,
Speaker 2: like so many of these big, tall teams, is you
Speaker 2: know what happens to them at quarterback. They lose Taylor Cornelius,
Speaker 2: who you know was up and down at some great
Speaker 2: moments and bad ones too. Last year he's gone. They
Speaker 2: signed the top quarterback recruit in the state of Texas
Speaker 2: a year ago in Spencer Sanders, and they red shirted
Speaker 2: him last year. Even with the red shirt rule. You know,
Speaker 2: he didn't step on the field at any point last season.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got some tools, you know that I've
Speaker 2: heard people say he throws the tighest spiral of anybody
Speaker 2: they've had up there since Brandon Whedon. You know. At
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, does he have the intangibles
Speaker 2: the leadership. I think that's gonna be the question is
Speaker 2: they go through a spring ball and whether he can
Speaker 2: win the smartest starting job. But if he, you know,
Speaker 2: plays up to his potential, his recruiting potential with what
Speaker 2: else they're going to have offensively, they could be you know,
Speaker 2: a team that could that could bomb away on anybody.
Speaker 2: And you know, defensively, you know, we'll see it feels
Speaker 2: like every time you think Oklahoma State is going to
Speaker 2: be better defensively, they just aren't. You mentioned the Boys
Speaker 2: State game but they they have a chance to be
Speaker 2: pretty special offensively with Tyland Wallace might be the best
Speaker 2: receiver in college football and Cuba Huffer might be one
Speaker 2: of the you know, ten best running backs.
Speaker 1: What do we know, if anything, really at this point
Speaker 1: about Sean Gleason, the new offensive coordinator who had a
Speaker 1: hell of a run at Princeton running the Tiger offense.
Speaker 1: Another higher from a lower level coming to Stillwater after Mike,
Speaker 1: You're sick.
Speaker 2: We know more about him than we did when Gundi
Speaker 2: hired Mike. Mike Eerstitch had a Schiffensburg, Pennsylvania. Yes, so, Uh,
Speaker 2: I've heard a really sharp guy that uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the guys around him have been really impressed. They're gonna
Speaker 2: play fast. Uh, you'll be interesting, interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 2: what innovative things he can bring to the offense. And
Speaker 2: whether you know I was mentioning Spencer Sanders, maybe a
Speaker 2: new coordinator and position coach will be a positive for him. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see with with your sage now at
Speaker 2: Ohio State. But they're gonna be fun. They were an
Speaker 2: incredibly fun team last year to watch. No matter what
Speaker 2: level they were playing at. They basically played up and
Speaker 2: down to everybody they faced, and I think with the
Speaker 2: firepower they have, potentially they'll be a fun team again
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. And if Sanders can take a step forward,
Speaker 2: maybe a team that you know, challenges I with State
Speaker 2: or TC or Baylor as the team that can maybe
Speaker 2: threaten the big boys in Oklahoma Texas.
Speaker 1: Final question, because you've given us so much, and I
Speaker 1: think it would almost be idiotic to challenge Austin as
Speaker 1: the number one food town in the Big twelve. That
Speaker 1: would it would have to be such an extraordinary point.
Speaker 2: That would be idiotic.
Speaker 1: I agree, what is number two? And support your claim
Speaker 1: with evidence or with places that people should go wherever
Speaker 1: your number two is.
Speaker 2: Well, so I'm based on Oaklham City, and so I
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit unfair for me to count
Speaker 2: Norman because a lot of places I enjoy in Oaklham City,
Speaker 2: you know they are in Norman as well.
Speaker 1: And so you're recruising, you're accusing yourself from Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: Normally that's a great word for it. It's a total
Speaker 2: refusal there. So after that, boy, you know, and and
Speaker 2: and I feel bad putting Fort Worth, uh fort Worth
Speaker 2: in the mix because it's a big city. They're just
Speaker 2: gonna have more options than you know, Aims or Manhattan.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of big cities with not
Speaker 1: great food.
Speaker 2: That is true. I would not put fort Worth in
Speaker 2: that category. That they've done a lot of great spots
Speaker 2: in Fort Worth as well. So you can hear I'm equivocatie.
Speaker 2: So I can't say this is what I'll say. It
Speaker 2: could be fair. Every spot is known for something different
Speaker 2: that I really enjoyed. So like some of the best
Speaker 2: pizza you'll ever eat the world is in Stillwater Hideaway Pizza, right,
Speaker 2: I love the best. The best Greek restaurant of any
Speaker 2: big twelve city, uh to me is in Lawrence, Kansas,
Speaker 2: the Mad Greek on the mass Mats Avenue. There obviously
Speaker 2: the uh you know you go down to to Lubbock.
Speaker 2: Uh they you know, Spanky's is They've got the uh
Speaker 2: the cheese things that are fantastic. And then I always
Speaker 2: go to you know, Blue Skyberger across the street from
Speaker 2: the stadium there and Cagles is fun too, if you
Speaker 2: know you've never been to love it before, Uh you've
Speaker 2: got uh you know you go to Yeah, let's see,
Speaker 2: Waco has got uh Smalls delis like one of my
Speaker 2: favorite places to eat anywhere in the country. They've got
Speaker 2: uh you know, the sandwiches and the uh the salads,
Speaker 2: and the original location is just around uh the street
Speaker 2: from campus there. Uh. In Waco they've also got you know,
Speaker 2: there's some really good barbecue uh in Waco as well.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I I could go on and on.
Speaker 2: I think the food a lot. Uh. Harry's in Manhattan
Speaker 2: is a fabulous That's that was Bill Snyder's favorite restaurant,
Speaker 2: you know, one of my favorite stops as well. Also
Speaker 2: the Varsity Donuts in Manhattan, which you can catch on
Speaker 2: the way out of town because that's usually a drive
Speaker 2: trip for me. Uh. So there's a lot of great
Speaker 2: spots in the Big Twelve. I kill that I'm probably
Speaker 2: leaving out some of my my favorite places, but uh
Speaker 2: uh Morgantown and Names have uh good spots as well.
Speaker 2: So I enjoy eating the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: To be sure, you just don't want your mentions being
Speaker 1: filled up with people being well disappointed.
Speaker 2: Every every time I do one of these answer one
Speaker 2: of these questions, I inevitably get attacked for uh for
Speaker 2: this opinion or leaving this place out so I was
Speaker 2: trying to name as many spots off the top of
Speaker 2: my head as possible. Well, yeah, I thought, I thought
Speaker 2: I did. Okay, you know like that, you know I
Speaker 2: didn't you know, Hickory Park. Uh, that was it was
Speaker 2: like on the tip of my tongue. Your names is great.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the spot to go there as well.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of great places to eat across
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve for sure.
Speaker 1: So what I'm in I'm hearing in terms of pure depth,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing fort Worth in your voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just because I mean fort Worth has
Speaker 2: got you know, great I mean, it's just I mean
Speaker 2: it's a big city and you almost it's sort of
Speaker 2: hard to separate out Dallas from fort Worth because it's
Speaker 2: basically one interconnecting city with the Metroplex there. You know,
Speaker 2: I mentioned Norman, which kind of it's like similar to
Speaker 2: Oklahmoma City, and we have great steakhouses and hamburger joints,
Speaker 2: which you know kind of still spill into Norman, particularly
Speaker 2: the hamburger joints. You know. Austin has by far the
Speaker 2: most debts. I mean, it's it's hard to prioritize where
Speaker 2: to go eat in Austin when I go down there,
Speaker 2: because you can't hit everywhere, and there are so many
Speaker 2: good spots.
Speaker 1: To go hit, and I think they've done it's a
Speaker 1: good like Japanese Renaissance right now in Austin. There's a
Speaker 1: good Ramen spot.
Speaker 2: I can't even get into that. I mean, like, I
Speaker 2: don't need that's so far down the list for me.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's awesome, but it's like, I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not there long enough ever to get into the
Speaker 2: Japanese uh you know fat in Austin, I basically do
Speaker 2: basically stick to barbecue, and I go to Austin for
Speaker 2: the most part because the barbecue is so great that
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't have enough time to get
Speaker 2: outside that window. If I'm there for three or four days,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll start uh venturing out a little bit.
Speaker 2: But if I'm in there for like a day or two,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you've you've got to hit the
Speaker 2: spots in Austin. And I'm not going to name.
Speaker 1: An what's your barbecue spot?
Speaker 2: I love Franklin, but you can't get into Franklin's right,
Speaker 2: like just forget it.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So my spot is actually mikel waste, which is.
Speaker 1: Oh same same, all right.
Speaker 2: I know I had not heard of it up until
Speaker 2: about I think a couple of years ago or a
Speaker 2: year ago, but it was you know, Texas Monthly does
Speaker 2: the barbecue makings, and for a place that's not been
Speaker 2: around for very long, I think they came in like seventh.
Speaker 2: And if you if you're seventh in the state of
Speaker 2: Texas and barbecue like you are, you are a legit spot.
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit. Uh it's not great like
Speaker 2: if it's one hundred and ten during the summer because
Speaker 2: of their.
Speaker 1: Seventh it's a trailer and you're gonna be outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, And it's never great to eat barbecue like
Speaker 2: when it's one hundred and ten, Like I don't feel
Speaker 2: like that's a good combination because you know, the meat
Speaker 2: is warm and you're you're you already have the meat
Speaker 2: sweats anyway, now you're sweating from the sun. But uh,
Speaker 2: it is. It is fantastic, and that is the spot
Speaker 2: I try to hit when I go to offtin.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, we're going to finish this with us
Speaker 1: reaching common ground, and for that, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1: I look forward to your full open records request on
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey's official job responsibilities as the Minister of Culture
Speaker 1: at the University of Texas. Jake Trotter, ESPN. Is there
Speaker 1: anything anybody else should know about you? Where they should
Speaker 1: find you, what they should search out in terms of
Speaker 1: your work?
Speaker 2: I'm around, I'm on ESPN, I'm on Twitter. You can
Speaker 2: find me.
Speaker 1: Done, he's on Twitter, you can find him. Don't go
Speaker 1: looking him up on Instagram. That's not for everybody, not
Speaker 1: for me, not for him. All right, Jake, thank you
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, take care.
Speaker 3: All right, and we're back Dan.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3: Jake Trotter, ESPN dot com. We've had him on the program.
Speaker 3: I was trying to count before the show. I don't
Speaker 3: even know how many times now, but Jake's been with
Speaker 3: us for a long time. Always.
Speaker 1: Oh great.
Speaker 3: Listen. Let me ask you this, what did you learn
Speaker 3: from your conversation with him that you think needs a
Speaker 3: little bit more attention.
Speaker 1: I've been very curious since to hire about Chris climbing
Speaker 1: in Kansas State, just because the ways in which Kansas
Speaker 1: State won under Bill Snyder, and I thought he phrased
Speaker 1: it really well when he said Kansas State football is
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder, because our point of reference with Kansas State
Speaker 1: football and success basically lies with Bill Sneider and his family.
Speaker 3: Bill Snyder, you can't really count the run, Prince Hera.
Speaker 1: I hope you don't. So it's fascinating because of the
Speaker 1: specific challenge that Chris Climban has in Manhattan, and whether
Speaker 1: it's building continuing to build through a lot of the
Speaker 1: junior colleges in Kansas, whether it's you know, following the
Speaker 1: blueprint that he you know, kept going in Fargo with
Speaker 1: the Bison, and just the challenge of winning in Manhattan
Speaker 1: when they're pretty much always going to be a have
Speaker 1: not in a conference with two three pretty significant halves.
Speaker 1: And so that to me is fascinating because if there
Speaker 1: is somebody who is able to lay that kind of
Speaker 1: a foundation, it does feel like that type of experience
Speaker 1: at North Dakota States lends itself pretty well to succeeding
Speaker 1: perhaps in an off the beaten path kind of place
Speaker 1: that has flirted with pretty high level football consistently.
Speaker 3: If you can build a dynasty in Fargo, North Dakota,
Speaker 3: and I mean this.
Speaker 1: He he kept it. He didn't originally build it, but
Speaker 1: he was probably one of the architects for sure.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you can do that, be part of that
Speaker 3: which you and I saw with our own eyes in Fargo,
Speaker 3: North Dakota. I mean this with no disrespect to Fargo,
Speaker 3: North Dakota. It's very off the beaten path. Yeah, very
Speaker 3: off the beaten path. It's cold as hell. Yeah in Fargo,
Speaker 3: North Dakota when it is, and in a lot of
Speaker 3: other places around the country, it's a tough place to recruit.
Speaker 3: They built an absolute dynasty, a megatron in Fargo, North Dakota.
Speaker 3: To be able to do that there leaves me with
Speaker 3: a little bit of confidence that you could do something
Speaker 3: similar or at least get things in Manhattan, Kansas go
Speaker 3: on on the right path. So he, I think, more
Speaker 3: so than any other new coach in the Big twelve,
Speaker 3: has me the most exciting. I'm very curious to see
Speaker 3: which direction that Wildcats program goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as Jake mentioned, his ad is the same
Speaker 1: ad who hired guy. I rooted him, Jean Taylor Uh
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State. So there is infrastructure in a
Speaker 1: positive way that it's not just going to be a
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder guy breathing down his neck necessarily. So I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued by that the TCU bounce back after you know
Speaker 1: how horrendous the injury situation was in fort Worth last year.
Speaker 1: And I think he had a really good point about
Speaker 1: when you look around college ball or even the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: at some of the quarterback battles, you're like, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: the position is is pretty wide open, but you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's unless he screws it up, like it should
Speaker 1: be Austin Kendall and Morgantown, it should be Jacob E's
Speaker 1: in Seattle. There are certain jobs where're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy is the presumptive guy. Fort Worth doesn't have that
Speaker 1: guy at all. They've got a fresh been coming in.
Speaker 1: They've got Irish liberator I think Michael Collins, they have
Speaker 1: Justin Rogers is still there, former I think five star
Speaker 1: at least, a blue chip quarterback who dealt with me
Speaker 1: and pretty horrific foot injury, and then Alex Delton transferring
Speaker 1: in from Kansas City State. So I really like the
Speaker 1: way that Jake phrased it, where he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they each have a twenty five percent shot. That's just
Speaker 1: how it's sort of working. So I do like that
Speaker 1: very clearly wide open situations like that.
Speaker 3: When TCUs had a quarterback, they've been very good. They've
Speaker 3: been very good. Yeah, but they need that quarterback. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they've found that in quite some time.
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Speaker 3: be happy to have you. What else do we got, Dan?
Speaker 3: What else is going on?
Speaker 1: Alex Hornerbrook is transferring from the one? Why is he training?
Speaker 1: I didn't see a specific reason, and it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: too acrimonious, but it might be. I saw Paul Christ
Speaker 1: wished him the best. Obviously a three year starter for
Speaker 1: the Bangers, so whoever gets him is getting a a
Speaker 1: pretty proven winner and the owner of a one pop
Speaker 1: gun arm, which always appreciate. Oregon hired Boise State's defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator after Jim Levitt and Oregon parted ways. They hired
Speaker 1: Alex excuse me, Andy Avlos from Boise State, former linebackers coach,
Speaker 1: former linebacker for the Broncos, and young and very well
Speaker 1: regarded in terms of coaching circles. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what exactly the defense that Oregon will be running is
Speaker 1: and will look like, but by all accounts, people seem
Speaker 1: to like him. We mentioned some Penn State transfers. It
Speaker 1: looks like Cam Sullivan Brown is coming back to Penn State.
Speaker 1: So at least that's a thing, because that was on
Speaker 1: our list of what nineteen items that seemed intriguing going
Speaker 1: into the off season. Ty story is going to Western
Speaker 1: Kentucky transferring from Arkansas. And I did see well two
Speaker 1: other things. I did see Pitts going to be wearing
Speaker 1: their like the on gold, but more of the mustard
Speaker 1: yellow and blue look more often. I like it very much.
Speaker 1: Pro that, sure. And then also I need to look
Speaker 1: further into this because I was asked this sort of
Speaker 1: blindly and I hadn't seen it because I am barely
Speaker 1: succeeding and raising a one month old. Sure, but what
Speaker 1: was the story between the Pac twelve and the Big
Speaker 1: twelve pseudo joining forces to have a college basketball style
Speaker 1: challenge and then play each other in a conference championship
Speaker 1: thing at the end of the year. A strategic alliance
Speaker 1: is what I saw.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Dan, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna read this out loud, and we'll just
Speaker 1: react to this as the dumb dumbs that we are. Okay,
Speaker 1: you ready, sure, just react organically. I'm seeing here, So
Speaker 1: West Virginia President Gordon g who we all remember is
Speaker 1: a g or Gee.
Speaker 3: I believe it's Gee. It is Gee, okay, e Gordon Gyee.
Speaker 3: He's at West Virginia now.
Speaker 1: Gordon Gee, he's at West Virginia. He asked former Kansas
Speaker 1: State Athletic director on we Falled Wayfauld to consider ways
Speaker 1: to quote strengthen the Big Twelve. Here's what he came
Speaker 1: up with. Wayfauld, Wayfeld, whatever, who is not working for
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve in an official capacity, concluded his pet
Speaker 1: project months later with an eleven page document entitled quote
Speaker 1: a proposal to create a strategic alliance between the Big
Speaker 1: twelve and the PAC twelve. So this is very much
Speaker 1: on brand with today's show. In it, he writes, the
Speaker 1: alliance of twenty two universities from the Great Planes to
Speaker 1: the West Coast would provide the vital content of big
Speaker 1: time football games that on thick, isn't he corporate speak?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Way fair, just what you need?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So would provide the vital content of big
Speaker 1: time football games that dovetail nicely with the new new
Speaker 1: developing platforms of information.
Speaker 3: Holy he didn't say a damning in.
Speaker 1: The one thousand years old Yeah Wayfall's proposal calls for
Speaker 1: all thirty of the Big twelve's non conference games and
Speaker 1: for thirty of the PAC twelves thirty six out of
Speaker 1: league games to be played against each so almost creating
Speaker 1: their own level of football in a way. The matchups
Speaker 1: would be spread evenly across the season, ten per month,
Speaker 1: with the winners of each conference meeting at the end
Speaker 1: of the regular season for a championship game, which would
Speaker 1: rotate between the Rose Bowl and AT and T Stadium
Speaker 1: in Arlington. So you see what they're doing here. They're
Speaker 1: setting themselves up to be their own non conference. Like
Speaker 1: it's in my best friend's wedding situation where if we're
Speaker 1: not married by forty Like, why don't we just do
Speaker 1: this ourselves?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Good idea, bad idea, Okay idea. I mean.
Speaker 3: It gives us more intriguing games. It does, So from
Speaker 3: that standpoint, I think it's a good move for them.
Speaker 1: It's taking notreed ames deal with the ACC and building
Speaker 1: the whole plane out of it.
Speaker 3: Basically, it strikes me as a good move for the
Speaker 3: PAC twelve.
Speaker 1: Playing Texas playing Oklahoma, playing TCU playing West Virginia, you know,
Speaker 1: the classic PAC twelve matchup of Oregon State West Virginia.
Speaker 1: I think it's more we get something out of the
Speaker 1: ordinary each month of each each month of the month
Speaker 1: of the season. So if the PAC twelve is having
Speaker 1: a down year like they've they had last year, you
Speaker 1: are not inclined to be watching Arizona Washington State with
Speaker 1: the same type of interest that you would be perhaps
Speaker 1: other seasons, whereas maybe there's something tickling a part of
Speaker 1: your brain that doesn't get tickled and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we get a cheese at Bowl rematch at the end
Speaker 1: of October, we get Keltcu. Okay, you give me an hour,
Speaker 1: impress me, Like, I think there is that element of
Speaker 1: this sort of thing because the Big twelve has had
Speaker 1: trouble finding partner schools to add on to their current
Speaker 1: ten right, they really didn't look at the American Conference
Speaker 1: schools in question whether it was USF for Cincinnati, Memphis,
Speaker 1: Houston as being worthy, which that's their prerogative, whatever, And
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve has had a visibility issue that the
Speaker 1: Big twelve doesn't necessarily have because of its bigger programs
Speaker 1: and its own TV deals and not having the network,
Speaker 1: the Conference network that is shielding off games to a
Speaker 1: lot of the viewing public. So in a way, they're
Speaker 1: scratching each other's back in a kind of an interesting way.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting precedence.
Speaker 3: So is this sort of a shadow version of the
Speaker 3: old Chip Brown Pac twelve Big twelve Pangaea conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting a super conference without the commitment. They're
Speaker 1: friends with benefits.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: What was your McConaughey thought, Oh have you seen.
Speaker 3: The McConaughey Lincoln commercials that think they played it during
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? They make no sense to me, Ty,
Speaker 3: they don't. I want to live tweet one. I want
Speaker 3: to I want to go through frame by frame and
Speaker 3: talk about how on feeling.
Speaker 1: Well he gets carte blanche. He must each frame of
Speaker 1: the way you work for a company. Again, I'm spilling
Speaker 1: no secrets here in which and this is not uncommon
Speaker 1: for big companies like say the Lincoln Motor Company and
Speaker 1: the advertising agency that works with Lincoln. There anything that
Speaker 1: gets put into the public sphere has one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty eyeballs on it. Right, Absolutely, I want notes on this.
Speaker 1: I want notes on this. It's true of entertainment, it's
Speaker 1: true of media. You have editors, you have somebody giving
Speaker 1: a look, giving a pass, and you're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: doesn't fully make sense. Can we reword this? Like what
Speaker 1: if what if we flip a and b right here.
Speaker 1: But the Lincoln commercials are like.
Speaker 3: They just gave it to McConaughey to direct commercial. They're like,
Speaker 3: we got McConaughey, We're part of the mconnaissance. We're just
Speaker 3: going to turn this over to you. It's what you
Speaker 3: read able. So now he's he's he's shooting a mass,
Speaker 3: say on a pool table.
Speaker 1: What is a mass? Is that a move? Is a no?
Speaker 3: That's when you curl the shot.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, good usage.
Speaker 3: Then all right he somehow thinkured he could put the
Speaker 3: English on it and hit the assay there. It's just
Speaker 3: very weird. It doesn't make any sense, and I want
Speaker 3: to go through it frame by frame and talk about
Speaker 3: how I feel watching that commercial, because for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: it seems like it's on my TV all the time.
Speaker 1: If you were to take one hundred road trips, significant
Speaker 1: road trips, let's say in a Lincoln, let's stay on
Speaker 1: brand with McConaughey, You take a hundred road trips with
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey, how many of out of that one hundred
Speaker 1: are just excellent, amazing, entertaining the entire time, stories like
Speaker 1: you could never even imagine, just a delight and how
Speaker 1: many of them are unbearable. I think I could gain
Speaker 1: his not trust, but I think he would open up
Speaker 1: after a couple hundred miles, one hundred and fifty miles,
Speaker 1: if we're going cross country or something like that. I
Speaker 1: think I would get great stories. I think his wisdom
Speaker 1: would not be unbearable, but it would be out there
Speaker 1: in an entertaining way. There's a fine line.
Speaker 3: I think this is how we start the mccona cast.
Speaker 3: I think this is where this is headed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where we just watch all Matthew McConaughey movies and
Speaker 1: determine what we've learned and what it is to live,
Speaker 1: like Matthew ConA.
Speaker 3: To people who have talked to him directly, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I recently did Have you seen Magic? Mike?
Speaker 3: I have surprisingly good.
Speaker 1: And we've we've gotten a couple of out of like,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of listeners. We're very lucky to
Speaker 1: have them. We get like two complaints that are like,
Speaker 1: you guys aren't talking college football now, it's a good time.
Speaker 1: Just leave, just signed. Thanks for the download. Glad you enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoyed the Big twelve episode. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: My question, ty, how good is Magic?
Speaker 3: Mike, it's surprisingly good.
Speaker 1: I watched that with very very good.
Speaker 3: I watched it with mom age. Oh, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: how that was gonna go, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: uh huh uh huh, because still, even though I'm at
Speaker 3: a ripe old age now, watching some of those movies
Speaker 3: with you with your parents is not the most comfortable experience.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: We both genuinely enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's Soderberg, right, Steven Soderberg directly, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a much better viewing experience today than I thought.
Speaker 3: Kind of a sad like, depressing and dark movie.
Speaker 1: It was a down of a downer of a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but really good, very surprising. Yeah. That's all I have.
Speaker 1: That is all I have for our Big twelve spectacular.
Speaker 1: We talked food, we talked Big twelve. We talked with Hannah. Hey,
Speaker 1: can I I'm going to tease something for either our
Speaker 1: Pack twelves or Big ten. Tease autopsy that or maybe
Speaker 1: a Q and A episode that we'll be doing in
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're going to talk about your vision,
Speaker 1: my vision. We're going to talk about your your vision,
Speaker 1: your your sense of sight, and what's going on there
Speaker 1: because there is something incredibly.
Speaker 3: That I didn't you were talking about until like a
Speaker 3: second ago.
Speaker 1: But okay, I cannot believe it has taken you this long.
Speaker 1: That's the tease. Okay, we are going.
Speaker 3: To tell you about Okay, we can leave it at that.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it.
Speaker 3: Big Thank you to Jake Underscore Trotter out there on
Speaker 3: the Twitter sphere. Find him, follow him. He's a good dude,
Speaker 3: been coming on our show for a long time, always insightful,
Speaker 3: talking all things Big twelve. Thank you to again to him, Dan,
Speaker 3: you take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: I will talk to you soon. To everyone out there
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