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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy,

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Speaker 3: State is that woom woom and Dan and Tie welcome

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Speaker 3: back to the solid verbal, Boys and girls, My name

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Speaker 3: is ty Hilden Brandon, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 3: in fatherly New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 3: how are you? Was just lowering the register usually I

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Speaker 3: take it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going low. I like that Big twelve after dark.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Today we're doing what Big twelve

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen autopsy rulings? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen. Full disclosure is I just got off

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Speaker 1: the horn with I was about to say Jake Tapper,

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Speaker 3: Been even better, have been a different kind of show.

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Speaker 1: He his insights into the Texas Tech defensive improvements just remarkable.

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Speaker 1: He knew nothing, he knew nothing at all times why

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Speaker 1: it was remarkable, But I kept pressing it.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: With Jake Trotter from ESPN, we've had him on before.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously terrific. Has been covering college football for a

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Speaker 1: while for ESPN, as was at the Austin American Statesman,

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Speaker 1: so deep within Big twelve country in I believe the

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Speaker 1: of quality insights. But before we get to that tie, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I am drawn first and foremost to

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Speaker 3: And can I be honest, can I fess something here?

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Speaker 3: As you asked me? And this was not planned. The

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Speaker 1: And this is all to say, we've gone seven plus

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Speaker 3: The TCU horn Frogs.

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Speaker 1: That's your TCU horn Frogs, Your TCU horn frog always

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Speaker 1: a fascinating conference. The conversation went quite well. We obviously

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Speaker 1: All right, give me a number ten nine, six, five,

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Speaker 2: with him in quarterback, which was the game in Austin.

436
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: They you know, and I don't know if you saw

437
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: the Washington State ball game, but I mean they had

438
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: every opportunity to win. That was a terrific game, and

439
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 2: you know, Iowa State showed that, you know, a lot

440
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: of people felt like until the end, at least Washington

441
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: State was the class of the Pac twelve, and you know,

442
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: they showed they belonged in that game. So I'm very

443
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: bullish on h you know, Iowa State, especially with Purty

444
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: and in his development. He was talking about Texas earlier

445
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: and there the quarterback issues that the problem i the

446
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: state has had basically since Cineca Wallace, uh you know,

447
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: years ago, is that it looks like they've got their

448
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 2: quarterback in the future and then for whatever reason, it

449
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: doesn't carry over. And Joe Lanning was that guy. Then

450
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: you know, he gets moved to linebacker because of you know,

451
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: somebody else, and you know, they've had a lot of

452
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: moment Yeah, they've got a lot of moments with quarterback

453
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: u you know pile Kip. Yeah, uh, he has the injury.

454
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: So now it's rock Party. I think that with Campbell

455
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: and and that offensive infrastructure that they have, I feel

456
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: pretty good about Party chances to become a really good player,

457
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: not only in the Big Twelve but college football in general.

458
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: But that is something that they have to That's a

459
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: question they have to answer that that's really held them

460
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: back from you know, being an occasional Boll team to

461
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: like a consistent, you know, eight nine win team, you

462
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: know every other year that they are kind of knocking

463
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: on the door of becoming under Matt Campbell.

464
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Speaker 1: Are they a beneficiary and this is to their credit

465
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: for taking advantage? Are they the beneficiary of a lot

466
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: of inconsistency and unrest in the sort of middle class

467
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve with you know, Texas Tech and

468
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor and Kansas State all inexplicably having pretty

469
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: disappointing last couple of years.

470
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, although you know, they beat it's not like they

471
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: have just beaten up on the middle tier teams. Su

472
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: I was at the game a couple of years ago,

473
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: when it's one of the most like unforeseen upsets. I

474
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: think I've ever been at where you know, I was

475
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: to goes to Norman with their four string quarterback and

476
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: they beat Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma in Norman, you know,

477
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: a team that would go to the playoffs and and

478
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: you know, have an overtime away from playing for the

479
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: national championship. So they they've won a lot of those games,

480
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: you know, against the you know the the the you

481
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: know the the Oklahoma State, the TCUs kind of the

482
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, the middle you know, the middle tier of

483
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. But they've shown that they can beat

484
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: the big boys too. You know, they beat TCU uh

485
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: two years ago too. Maybe the two teams that played

486
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: for Big Feld championship. They gave Oklahoma all it wanted

487
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: basically again last year. So I think that you know,

488
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State has maybe taking you know a little bit

489
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: of a step back. T see a little bit of

490
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: a step back in the past year. But I'm not

491
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: so sure that I was States not where they are anyway,

492
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: just because of how good they've been, and that goes

493
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: across the board, regardless of the opponent that they have played, and.

494
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: You are saying that there is a not zero chance

495
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: that we are talking about twenty twenty All American linebacker

496
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: Brock Purty.

497
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's He's gonna be the starting side

498
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: end in the year. I will say I will say this.

499
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: I think after Oklahoma in Texas, I think Iowa stated

500
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: is the clear number three team in the Big twelve

501
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: going into twenty nineteen.

502
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I'm with you. Give

503
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: me a number ten, nine, six, five, three two cow two.

504
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: We're talking Texas Tech. You mentioned Matt Wells and people

505
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: being bullish in Lubbock, so both with who is coming back,

506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: and I know that I think they lose their best

507
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: two receivers and the freshman now enrolling. How full was

508
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: the cupboard left by Cliff Kingsbury and Lubberck and Lubbock

509
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: excuse me?

510
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe more than people think. If if

511
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman doesn't now suffer a collapse long in that

512
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: West Virginia game and then have the reoccurrence of it, uh,

513
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: I think it was late in the second quarter a

514
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: few weeks later against Oklahoma. Cliff Seinsbury is probably still

515
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: a coach at Texas Tech. Yeah, you know, you you

516
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: think there's a couple of games that they win, you know,

517
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: because they were actually improved last year, particularly on the

518
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: defensive side, but really across the board, and Bowman going

519
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: down just really killed them because they they they just

520
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: weren't consistent enough at quarterback after him and just another guy,

521
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: you know, people focusing on you know, Patrick Mahomes and

522
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: then obviously you know Cliff's brief relationship with Baker Mayfield.

523
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: You know, Alan Bowman was uh, you know, you have

524
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, you have Adrian Martinez, but like after those guys, yeah,

525
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, Alan Bowman was right there with anybody, including

526
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: brock Party.

527
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

528
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: He you know, he was putting up some monster numbers

529
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: and they just kind of fell apart when when he

530
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: got hurt. He's been cleared. You know, he's given me

531
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: their starter going into the spring again. And I think

532
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: he is a you know, legit good another legit good

533
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: quarterback for Texas Tech. I think they've got you know,

534
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: this is always the time of the year. I have a

535
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: hard time courting, Like you know, he's a like number

536
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: of resturning starters and all that. I feel like my

537
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: brain just goes dead. In the month of February. But

538
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to say they have like eight starters back,

539
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: seven starters back. Defensively off a defense that wasn't great,

540
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: but certainly not the lacking stock to college football that

541
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: it was three or four years ago. Their offensive line

542
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: has got I believe three, four or five starters back,

543
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: so they have a chance to actually be, you know,

544
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: pretty good. I don't think they're a big told title contender,

545
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: but I think they're a bowl team, and especially if

546
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman is healthy and plays in you know, eleven

547
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: twelve games.

548
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: What was it that separated Matt Wells from the other candidates,

549
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: the other reported candidates for the Texas Tech job.

550
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think that success at Utah State. You and

551
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: you think of Utah State. I mean, I think Lubbo's remote. Yes,

552
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: they won, you know, they won ten games a couple

553
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: of times. And he's actually from Shallasaw, Oklahoma, which is

554
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: firmly in the Big twelve footprint at East Oklahoma, so

555
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: he ties to the area. I think him bringing all

556
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: his coordinators with him was the selling point in Keith Patterson,

557
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: you know, ties to the area as well. And then

558
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: David Yost, who was the the opoice coordinator at Missouri

559
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: when they were I believe, still in the Big twelve.

560
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: So I think all that combined and then you know,

561
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, sort of changing things up a little bit

562
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: from the air raid, which is something you Kirby Hope

563
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: cut the ad they clearly wanted to do. I think

564
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: all of that made him the guy. Really from the

565
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: beginning for uh, you know, Kirby and and you were

566
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: talking about some of these Big twelve programs and all

567
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: the coaching changes. Pretty much everybody got their guy. Now

568
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know, whether any of them or all

569
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: of them pan out. West Virginia got their number one guy,

570
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: Kansas State Climban. We talked about him, Matt Wells. Uh

571
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: that that was that was who they wanted, you know,

572
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: clearly from the very beginning. And then you know, obviously

573
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: with with less in Jeff Long. So everybody the bigto

574
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: got the coach that they wanted to go get. And

575
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: and so I think that that that's a positive sign

576
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: for the league.

577
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Let's stick with new coaches and just talk about West Virginia.

578
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: So I'm eliminating number ten on my list. But Neil Brown,

579
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: you've brought up a couple of times as being impressive,

580
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: as being the guy for West Virginia. What is it

581
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: about Neil Brown that offers West Virginia that something that's

582
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: a wrinkle different from Dana Holgerson, who accomplished a lot,

583
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: relatively speaking in Morgantown with his offenses with defensive improvement.

584
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: What is that wrinkle? What is that that addition of

585
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Neil that Neil Brown offers that perhaps is a step

586
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: in not necessarily a better or worse, but a different

587
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: direction than Dana Holgerson.

588
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: You know, I I that that's probably a question I'll

589
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: be better prepared to answer, you know, after springball or

590
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: even in August, because I don't know. Uh, you know

591
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Neil personally, you know him having been at Troy, but again,

592
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, you talk to people. We talk to people

593
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: in Kansas State, people at West Virginia, people at Troy,

594
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: people coach with him, and they all rave about his organization,

595
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, his attention to detail. And I think that

596
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, there's just been a lot of tension

597
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: there between the West Virginia administration and Dana Hogerson. It

598
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: felt like they weren't completely all in with him being

599
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: their coach, and he wasn't all in completely at times

600
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: with being in Morgantown, and there was just this friction

601
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: that kept kind of resurfacing, you know, every so often. Uh,

602
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: and it finally came the head when you know West

603
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: Virginia with Will Gear David Sills. I mean, you know,

604
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: for them to not get to the big old title game,

605
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: I think was a disappointment. You know, they they they

606
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: had the best quarterback on paper going into the year,

607
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: and and they had the best, you know, one of

608
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: the best offices in the country going into the year.

609
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: And uh, despite having some big wins, you know, them

610
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: not getting to Arlington, I think has to be considered

611
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: a disappointment. And then you know, uh, you know, Holgerson

612
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: in his side, they wanted an extension and and they

613
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: want a bigger buyout, and you know West Virginia and

614
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: Shane Lyons the ad, you know, they wanted to stick

615
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: to their guns and not you know, attached more dollars

616
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: to the buyout of the Contry Act. And that's kind

617
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: of you know, what prompted Dana to leave to go

618
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: to Houston. So I think just it was kind of time,

619
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: I think for both sides to maybe go their separate directions,

620
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that is given the program

621
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of rejuvenation that I think that the fans,

622
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: the administration, the program, you know, probably will all benefit from.

623
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I'll ask you another question about West Virginia that you

624
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: will probably answer similarly in the like this is what

625
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, but I don't know for sure how well

626
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: regarded as Austin Kendall, now that he has made his

627
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: transfer and has been allowed to transfer from Oklahoma to

628
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Obviously West Virginia sees something in him, obviously

629
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: Oklahoma saw something in him. How well regarded is the

630
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I guess presumptive Mountaineer starter at quarterback.

631
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's a former ESPN three hundred recruit

632
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: and he probably is Oklahoma starting quarterback at some point

633
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: if they don't, you know, take in acted back transfer

634
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winners, and oh, by the way, maybe a

635
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: guy who will be in contention to become the third

636
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: in Jalen Hurts, who was the top free agent quarterback

637
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: this past year. So he just kept getting over recruited,

638
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: uh and finally wanted to go get his you know,

639
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: opportunity somewhere else. He you know, I think that one

640
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: thing that that that is going to benefit him and

641
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: benefit wets Virginia is you just look at the track

642
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: record of quarterback development at Oklahoma and it's pretty pretty impressive.

643
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: And even though Austin didn't play a lot at OU,

644
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: I just think being being in a room with Baker

645
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Mayfield and Kyler Murray, you know, guys that are going

646
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: to be first round you know, Baker already was, and

647
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Tyler presumably is gonna be first round pick as well,

648
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: you know, being when those guys can't hurt, and being

649
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: with a guy Lincoln Riley, who you know NFL teams

650
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: were desperate to hire as a quarterback, grew this past offseason,

651
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: you know, can't hurt. So I think all of that's

652
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: gonna benefit you know, Austin kindall his chances of winning

653
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: the starting job. But you know, I've been on West

654
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: Virginia Radio and West Virginia a couple of times and

655
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: they asked me what kind of quarterback he is. It's

656
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: hard for me to say because he just has not

657
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: played very much. We have not seen him play very much,

658
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit of a question, you know,

659
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: how good he can be. The opportunity is definitely there

660
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: at West Virginia and Jack Allison, you know, former transfer

661
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: for Miami, probably would have been the projected starter had

662
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: Kendall not transferred in. You know, West Virginia obviously got

663
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: drilled in the Bowl game when Will Greer didn't play

664
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: to focus on the NFL. So I think the opportunity

665
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: is there, but how effective he's going to be remains

666
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: to be seen. Now, he does have a connection to

667
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Neil Brown, which is sort of what facilitated you know,

668
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: him going to West Virginia. Uh, you know, Brown was

669
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: at Kentucky and they recruited Kendall out of high school.

670
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: So I think that will help, but we'll see. I mean,

671
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: I I think West Virginia is pretty fascinating because they

672
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: really are Blank's lay in a lot of different ways

673
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: this year.

674
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: All right, number three, five six or nine five?

675
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: Five?

676
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: All right, five is easy, easy transition with Austin Kendall

677
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: because five is Oklahoma and one of the clear, I

678
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: guess crossovers between Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield was they

679
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: were both fearless downfield, which is not not necessarily what

680
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts looked like the last time we saw him

681
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: as a full time QB. So do you believe Oklahoma

682
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: can reach similar at least heights doing things maybe a

683
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: bit differently with a different type of quarterback, perhaps leaning

684
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: on the ground game and maybe, hey, maybe an unpredictable

685
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: defense that helps them win games. Can they win differently

686
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: on a huge level?

687
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: I think they can. Let's start with the offense. And

688
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, Baker and Kyler were a little bit different

689
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: in their quarterbacking style, and I think Lincoln demonstrated pretty

690
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, impressive acumen for adjusting it and adapting the

691
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: offense the Taylor the skill set of his quarterback. Now,

692
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: after Baker left, I said, there's no way Oklahoma's offense

693
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: is gonna be better. They're gonna they're gonna take a

694
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: big step back. And so it's been coming on the

695
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: defense to improve. Well, the defense got worse and at

696
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: Oklahoma got back to the playoffs because their offense was

697
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: even better under Kyler Murray. Now I'm not gonna say

698
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: that I think they're gonna be better under Jalen Hurts,

699
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: and I expect them still to take a uh, not

700
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: not just one step back, but probably two step backs

701
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: offensively from what they have been. They could prove me

702
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: wrong again, but I still think they think that they

703
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: can be elite offensively because of Jalen Hurts. And you know,

704
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a bigger quarterback than what they've had.

705
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: You know, he's you know, six to two hundred plus pounds.

706
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: You know, he is a he is a more physical,

707
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, physical type quarterback than what they've had, you know,

708
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: even Baker. Even though Baker could scramble and break tackles, Jalen,

709
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, he can run over guys. And so I

710
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: think they're going to have more of a you know,

711
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: emphasis on running the quarterback, uh than they probably have

712
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: had even with Kyler and his you know, as dynamic

713
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: as he was, you know, a lot of it wasn't

714
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: design and rhymes. It was just him taking off and

715
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: and and and basically being unstoppable. But I don't think

716
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be that different. And that's something Lincoln

717
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Riley said, uh, you know a few weeks ago after

718
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: they landed Jalen, that you know, we're going to run

719
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: our office and uh So I think that they will

720
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: be similar in a lot of ways, with a few

721
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: tweaks here or there. Grant Calcatara, Ceedee Lamb, Creed Humphrey

722
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: at tight end, wide receiver and center respectively. Could all

723
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: be preseason All Americans, two different varying degrees. So they

724
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: are still pretty loaded offensively, even though they've got to

725
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: rebuild the offensive line you know, around the center in

726
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Humphrey and and they need to probably you know, a

727
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: couple more receivers to step up around Lamb. But they

728
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: have the capability to be like the top three you

729
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: know who knows even better than that offense Again, now

730
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: that they've got Jalen Hursts behind center, guy that's playing

731
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: in a ton of big games and is not going

732
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: to be rattled when they go down the Cotton Bowl,

733
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: is not going to be rattled if they get to

734
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: the bigdeal championship game, and won't be rattled if they

735
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: get back to the playoffs.

736
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: I love the mystery. I love the mystery and his

737
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: scary potential. Three to six or nine to three, we're

738
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: going to go to three. We're going to talk about Baylor,

739
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: who's their offense obviously took an enormous step forward in

740
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but down the stretch the Bears they struggled.

741
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: They struggled, moving the ball. I think they averaged thirteen

742
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: points a game and those four losses in the second

743
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: half of the season. So is what is the clearest

744
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: reason to believe Baylor takes another step forward? Even if

745
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: the defense is still defense was pretty rough last year

746
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: and if they're around that, what is the reason to

747
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: believe in an offensive mo forward?

748
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: Well, the offensive line is still still got to get better.

749
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that it was necessarily you know,

750
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: strength at any point last year. And you know, defensively,

751
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, they've got to continue to improve their debt

752
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: because you know, after everything that happened, they they they

753
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: lost a lot of the debt that they'd really enjoyed

754
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: in the trenches on both sides of the ball. But

755
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: I think the biggest reason is Charlie Brewer. Like, if

756
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: you're looking at returning quarterbacks in the Big Twelve, you

757
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: might take Sam Ellinger, you might take Rock Purty. Even

758
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: after that, I think that returning in the conference, Charlie

759
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: Brewer is probably the next best quarterback. And for whatever

760
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: reason they they he was kind of a part time

761
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: starter player to begin the year, I thought he was

762
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: clearly their best quarterback. But once he finally was installed

763
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: as the guy. You know, he really had some nice moments.

764
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: You're right, they did struggle to score offensively at times,

765
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, with him as the full

766
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: time quarterback, I think they've got a chance. Listen, you

767
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: have Oklahoma, you have Texas. I think they're the clear

768
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: top two. I've said Io was stated to me is

769
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: the clear top three. There isn't a clear top four.

770
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: And you can make a very compelling case that Baylor

771
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: could be right there for that fourth. Start with Charlie

772
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Brewer and Matt Rule. You know who is you know,

773
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: one of the top coaches, not necessarily just in the

774
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: Big twelve, but maybe you know college football with what

775
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: he's done at Temple and the way he's turned around

776
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: Taylor so quickly.

777
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Six or nine, let's go to nine. Number nine. Well,

778
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: first of all, I just like to put respect on

779
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: the cheese at Bowl champions names. That would be the

780
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: TCU horn Frog.

781
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: All. I was the best ball game of the year,

782
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: wasn't it, By the way, I mean easily for entertainment purposes.

783
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't even a football game. At a certain point,

784
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: you were just watching a monster truck rally. Go horribly wrong.

785
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: It had my favorite penalty of the year with the

786
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: forward pass play. It really had something for everybody.

787
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: Forget Clemson, forget Trevor Lawrence. The big winner of the

788
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: ball season last year I think was cheesy easily.

789
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: We are saying we're not saying Wheatan, we are not

790
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: saying Pepperidge Farm. We are sticking with cheese It, and

791
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: we are rolling with the Ridges and the various flavors. Yeah,

792
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: they're the big winner. They have done themselves a lot

793
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: of favors. Secondly, and less importantly, how much of twenty

794
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: eighteen's TCU struggles were because of the crazy number of injuries,

795
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: which there were undeniably and what could actually carry over

796
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: even if Slash when the Frog's health luck actually bounces

797
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: back to normal.

798
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: I thought that last year was one of the best

799
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: coaching jobs that Gary Patterson has done, because I thought

800
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: that they were done about mid October. I thought that

801
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: they were going to lose out and they lost to

802
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Kansas the next week, and I thought, especially after that,

803
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 2: I think that they're not going to another game this year.

804
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: And I think they only lost like one or two

805
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: more games the rest of the season. That team somehow

806
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: won seven games that was not a great team, in

807
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: part because of the injuries that you reference, which especially

808
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: hits them hard at the quarterback position. So I think that,

809
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, I think they're gonna be good defensively next year.

810
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: It's usually a pretty good, pretty good bet with a

811
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: Gary Patterson team. You know, they're gonna get Ross Blacklock,

812
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: who would have maybe been the best defensive lineman in

813
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: the entire Big Twelve this past season had he not

814
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: suffered that season ending injury August, which really hurt him

815
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: on the defensive interior. You know, if he's back to

816
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: the guy that you know he was before that, then

817
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: then you know they're gonna have an impact guy up

818
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: front defensively. There might there may be I don't know

819
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: if there's a team in college football that has like

820
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: four different guys who could win the quarterback job and

821
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: I really don't know, like you could probably give them

822
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: each about a twenty five percent chance to do so.

823
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Collins took over for Sean Robinson who

824
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: was since transferred to Missouri, you know, and had some

825
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: moments before he got injured. Justin Rogers, who was, uh,

826
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: you know, one of the top quarterbacks in recruits in

827
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: the country. A year ago, you know, had that devastating

828
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: knee injury, you know, has the foot thing. Now, who

829
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 2: knows if he's going to be healthy enough to really

830
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: compete to the job. They've got Alex Delton from from

831
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: Kansas State, a grad transfer quarterback who uh you know

832
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: is is a specialist and that he's you know, he's

833
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: a run first guy, but a pretty dynamic runner. So

834
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: they've got you know, a lot of different options at

835
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: quarterback without really you know, uh uh any one of

836
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: them being I think the clear cut guy that's gonna

837
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: be a big key for them is somebody winning that job.

838
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: But Jalen Ray is you know, a superstar wide receiver

839
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: that they couldn't get the ball enough to last year

840
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: to their quarterback issues. You know, they're gonna be good

841
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: a running back again. So I think that you know, TCU,

842
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: if they can see healthy again. Talking about that number

843
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: four spot in the Big twelve, they've shown that they

844
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: you know, they have the pedigree defensively to that can

845
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: give them a chance to compete in the Big twelve.

846
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: All Right, our final team obviously is Oklahoma State, who

847
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: I believe like maybe seven of their last eight eight

848
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: of their last and nine it was single digit either way.

849
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: Everything was close. Everything either came down to them winning

850
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: something close or losing something close. And they actually seem

851
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: to be in a pretty great defensive place after the

852
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Boise State came and then they just full on warrant

853
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: for basically the rest of the Big twelve season. What happens.

854
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Do you expect improvement on defense for the Cowboys?

855
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: They were a completely schizophrenic team last year. They if

856
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: you took Clemson in Alabama out of the picture, I

857
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: think they were pretty much capable of beating anyone in

858
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: college football and losing anyone college football last year, and

859
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: they beat West Virginia, maybe Texas. They were a two

860
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: point conversion away from beating Oklahoma in Norman. Meanwhile, they

861
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: lose to TCU. They got just steamrolled inexplicably at Kansas State.

862
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: They had some really bad losses, but they had some

863
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: great wins too. You know, they with Tylan Wallason wide

864
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: receiver and Tuba Hubbard at running back, they have a

865
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: chance to be electric offensively, as they have been for

866
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: the most part under Mike Gundy. The question for them,

867
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: like so many of these big, tall teams, is you

868
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: know what happens to them at quarterback. They lose Taylor Cornelius,

869
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: who you know was up and down at some great

870
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: moments and bad ones too. Last year he's gone. They

871
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: signed the top quarterback recruit in the state of Texas

872
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: a year ago in Spencer Sanders, and they red shirted

873
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: him last year. Even with the red shirt rule. You know,

874
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: he didn't step on the field at any point last season.

875
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: You know, he's got some tools, you know that I've

876
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: heard people say he throws the tighest spiral of anybody

877
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: they've had up there since Brandon Whedon. You know. At

878
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, does he have the intangibles

879
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: the leadership. I think that's gonna be the question is

880
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: they go through a spring ball and whether he can

881
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: win the smartest starting job. But if he, you know,

882
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: plays up to his potential, his recruiting potential with what

883
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: else they're going to have offensively, they could be you know,

884
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: a team that could that could bomb away on anybody.

885
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: And you know, defensively, you know, we'll see it feels

886
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: like every time you think Oklahoma State is going to

887
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: be better defensively, they just aren't. You mentioned the Boys

888
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: State game but they they have a chance to be

889
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: pretty special offensively with Tyland Wallace might be the best

890
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: receiver in college football and Cuba Huffer might be one

891
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: of the you know, ten best running backs.

892
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: What do we know, if anything, really at this point

893
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: about Sean Gleason, the new offensive coordinator who had a

894
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: hell of a run at Princeton running the Tiger offense.

895
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Another higher from a lower level coming to Stillwater after Mike,

896
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: You're sick.

897
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: We know more about him than we did when Gundi

898
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: hired Mike. Mike Eerstitch had a Schiffensburg, Pennsylvania. Yes, so, Uh,

899
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: I've heard a really sharp guy that uh, you know,

900
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: the guys around him have been really impressed. They're gonna

901
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: play fast. Uh, you'll be interesting, interesting to see, you know,

902
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: what innovative things he can bring to the offense. And

903
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: whether you know I was mentioning Spencer Sanders, maybe a

904
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: new coordinator and position coach will be a positive for him. Uh,

905
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see with with your sage now at

906
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: Ohio State. But they're gonna be fun. They were an

907
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: incredibly fun team last year to watch. No matter what

908
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: level they were playing at. They basically played up and

909
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: down to everybody they faced, and I think with the

910
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: firepower they have, potentially they'll be a fun team again

911
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. And if Sanders can take a step forward,

912
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: maybe a team that you know, challenges I with State

913
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: or TC or Baylor as the team that can maybe

914
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: threaten the big boys in Oklahoma Texas.

915
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: Final question, because you've given us so much, and I

916
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: think it would almost be idiotic to challenge Austin as

917
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: the number one food town in the Big twelve. That

918
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: would it would have to be such an extraordinary point.

919
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: That would be idiotic.

920
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: I agree, what is number two? And support your claim

921
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: with evidence or with places that people should go wherever

922
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: your number two is.

923
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: Well, so I'm based on Oaklham City, and so I

924
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit unfair for me to count

925
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: Norman because a lot of places I enjoy in Oaklham City,

926
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: you know they are in Norman as well.

927
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: And so you're recruising, you're accusing yourself from Oklahoma City.

928
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: Normally that's a great word for it. It's a total

929
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: refusal there. So after that, boy, you know, and and

930
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: and I feel bad putting Fort Worth, uh fort Worth

931
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: in the mix because it's a big city. They're just

932
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: gonna have more options than you know, Aims or Manhattan.

933
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of big cities with not

934
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: great food.

935
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: That is true. I would not put fort Worth in

936
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: that category. That they've done a lot of great spots

937
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: in Fort Worth as well. So you can hear I'm equivocatie.

938
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: So I can't say this is what I'll say. It

939
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: could be fair. Every spot is known for something different

940
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: that I really enjoyed. So like some of the best

941
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: pizza you'll ever eat the world is in Stillwater Hideaway Pizza, right,

942
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: I love the best. The best Greek restaurant of any

943
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: big twelve city, uh to me is in Lawrence, Kansas,

944
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: the Mad Greek on the mass Mats Avenue. There obviously

945
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: the uh you know you go down to to Lubbock.

946
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: Uh they you know, Spanky's is They've got the uh

947
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: the cheese things that are fantastic. And then I always

948
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: go to you know, Blue Skyberger across the street from

949
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: the stadium there and Cagles is fun too, if you

950
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: know you've never been to love it before, Uh you've

951
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: got uh you know you go to Yeah, let's see,

952
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: Waco has got uh Smalls delis like one of my

953
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: favorite places to eat anywhere in the country. They've got

954
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: uh you know, the sandwiches and the uh the salads,

955
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: and the original location is just around uh the street

956
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: from campus there. Uh. In Waco they've also got you know,

957
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: there's some really good barbecue uh in Waco as well.

958
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: So I mean, I I could go on and on.

959
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: I think the food a lot. Uh. Harry's in Manhattan

960
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: is a fabulous That's that was Bill Snyder's favorite restaurant,

961
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, one of my favorite stops as well. Also

962
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: the Varsity Donuts in Manhattan, which you can catch on

963
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: the way out of town because that's usually a drive

964
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: trip for me. Uh. So there's a lot of great

965
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: spots in the Big Twelve. I kill that I'm probably

966
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: leaving out some of my my favorite places, but uh

967
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 2: uh Morgantown and Names have uh good spots as well.

968
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: So I enjoy eating the Big Twelve.

969
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: To be sure, you just don't want your mentions being

970
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: filled up with people being well disappointed.

971
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: Every every time I do one of these answer one

972
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: of these questions, I inevitably get attacked for uh for

973
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: this opinion or leaving this place out so I was

974
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: trying to name as many spots off the top of

975
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: my head as possible. Well, yeah, I thought, I thought

976
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: I did. Okay, you know like that, you know I

977
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: didn't you know, Hickory Park. Uh, that was it was

978
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: like on the tip of my tongue. Your names is great.

979
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: You know, that's the spot to go there as well.

980
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: So like a lot of great places to eat across

981
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve for sure.

982
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: So what I'm in I'm hearing in terms of pure depth,

983
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm hearing fort Worth in your voice.

984
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just because I mean fort Worth has

985
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: got you know, great I mean, it's just I mean

986
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: it's a big city and you almost it's sort of

987
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: hard to separate out Dallas from fort Worth because it's

988
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: basically one interconnecting city with the Metroplex there. You know,

989
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: I mentioned Norman, which kind of it's like similar to

990
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: Oklahmoma City, and we have great steakhouses and hamburger joints,

991
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: which you know kind of still spill into Norman, particularly

992
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: the hamburger joints. You know. Austin has by far the

993
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: most debts. I mean, it's it's hard to prioritize where

994
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: to go eat in Austin when I go down there,

995
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: because you can't hit everywhere, and there are so many

996
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: good spots.

997
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: To go hit, and I think they've done it's a

998
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: good like Japanese Renaissance right now in Austin. There's a

999
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: good Ramen spot.

1000
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: I can't even get into that. I mean, like, I

1001
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: don't need that's so far down the list for me.

1002
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's awesome, but it's like, I don't

1003
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: I'm not there long enough ever to get into the

1004
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: Japanese uh you know fat in Austin, I basically do

1005
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: basically stick to barbecue, and I go to Austin for

1006
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: the most part because the barbecue is so great that

1007
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't have enough time to get

1008
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 2: outside that window. If I'm there for three or four days,

1009
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'll start uh venturing out a little bit.

1010
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: But if I'm in there for like a day or two,

1011
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you've you've got to hit the

1012
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: spots in Austin. And I'm not going to name.

1013
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: An what's your barbecue spot?

1014
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: I love Franklin, but you can't get into Franklin's right,

1015
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: like just forget it.

1016
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: Correct.

1017
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: So my spot is actually mikel waste, which is.

1018
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh same same, all right.

1019
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: I know I had not heard of it up until

1020
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: about I think a couple of years ago or a

1021
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: year ago, but it was you know, Texas Monthly does

1022
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 2: the barbecue makings, and for a place that's not been

1023
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: around for very long, I think they came in like seventh.

1024
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: And if you if you're seventh in the state of

1025
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: Texas and barbecue like you are, you are a legit spot.

1026
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit. Uh it's not great like

1027
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: if it's one hundred and ten during the summer because

1028
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: of their.

1029
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Seventh it's a trailer and you're gonna be outside.

1030
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, And it's never great to eat barbecue like

1031
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: when it's one hundred and ten, Like I don't feel

1032
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: like that's a good combination because you know, the meat

1033
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: is warm and you're you're you already have the meat

1034
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: sweats anyway, now you're sweating from the sun. But uh,

1035
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: it is. It is fantastic, and that is the spot

1036
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: I try to hit when I go to offtin.

1037
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: Now, all right, we're going to finish this with us

1038
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: reaching common ground, and for that, thank you for coming on.

1039
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: I look forward to your full open records request on

1040
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey's official job responsibilities as the Minister of Culture

1041
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: at the University of Texas. Jake Trotter, ESPN. Is there

1042
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: anything anybody else should know about you? Where they should

1043
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: find you, what they should search out in terms of

1044
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: your work?

1045
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm around, I'm on ESPN, I'm on Twitter. You can

1046
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: find me.

1047
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: Done, he's on Twitter, you can find him. Don't go

1048
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: looking him up on Instagram. That's not for everybody, not

1049
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: for me, not for him. All right, Jake, thank you

1050
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: very much.

1051
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, take care.

1052
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: All right, and we're back Dan.

1053
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.

1054
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: Jake Trotter, ESPN dot com. We've had him on the program.

1055
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: I was trying to count before the show. I don't

1056
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: even know how many times now, but Jake's been with

1057
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: us for a long time. Always.

1058
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh great.

1059
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: Listen. Let me ask you this, what did you learn

1060
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: from your conversation with him that you think needs a

1061
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 3: little bit more attention.

1062
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: I've been very curious since to hire about Chris climbing

1063
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: in Kansas State, just because the ways in which Kansas

1064
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: State won under Bill Snyder, and I thought he phrased

1065
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: it really well when he said Kansas State football is

1066
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder, because our point of reference with Kansas State

1067
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: football and success basically lies with Bill Sneider and his family.

1068
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: Bill Snyder, you can't really count the run, Prince Hera.

1069
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I hope you don't. So it's fascinating because of the

1070
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: specific challenge that Chris Climban has in Manhattan, and whether

1071
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: it's building continuing to build through a lot of the

1072
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: junior colleges in Kansas, whether it's you know, following the

1073
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: blueprint that he you know, kept going in Fargo with

1074
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: the Bison, and just the challenge of winning in Manhattan

1075
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: when they're pretty much always going to be a have

1076
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: not in a conference with two three pretty significant halves.

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00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: And so that to me is fascinating because if there

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: is somebody who is able to lay that kind of

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00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: a foundation, it does feel like that type of experience

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: at North Dakota States lends itself pretty well to succeeding

1081
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: perhaps in an off the beaten path kind of place

1082
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: that has flirted with pretty high level football consistently.

1083
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: If you can build a dynasty in Fargo, North Dakota,

1084
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: and I mean this.

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: He he kept it. He didn't originally build it, but

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: he was probably one of the architects for sure.

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00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you can do that, be part of that

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: which you and I saw with our own eyes in Fargo,

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00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: North Dakota. I mean this with no disrespect to Fargo,

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00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: North Dakota. It's very off the beaten path. Yeah, very

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: off the beaten path. It's cold as hell. Yeah in Fargo,

1092
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: North Dakota when it is, and in a lot of

1093
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 3: other places around the country, it's a tough place to recruit.

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: They built an absolute dynasty, a megatron in Fargo, North Dakota.

1095
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: To be able to do that there leaves me with

1096
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of confidence that you could do something

1097
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 3: similar or at least get things in Manhattan, Kansas go

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: on on the right path. So he, I think, more

1099
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: so than any other new coach in the Big twelve,

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: has me the most exciting. I'm very curious to see

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: which direction that Wildcats program goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as Jake mentioned, his ad is the same

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: ad who hired guy. I rooted him, Jean Taylor Uh

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State. So there is infrastructure in a

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00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: positive way that it's not just going to be a

1106
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder guy breathing down his neck necessarily. So I'm

1107
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: intrigued by that the TCU bounce back after you know

1108
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: how horrendous the injury situation was in fort Worth last year.

1109
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: And I think he had a really good point about

1110
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: when you look around college ball or even the Big Twelve,

1111
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: at some of the quarterback battles, you're like, Okay, yes,

1112
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: the position is is pretty wide open, but you know,

1113
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: this guy's unless he screws it up, like it should

1114
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: be Austin Kendall and Morgantown, it should be Jacob E's

1115
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: in Seattle. There are certain jobs where're like, Okay, this

1116
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: guy is the presumptive guy. Fort Worth doesn't have that

1117
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: guy at all. They've got a fresh been coming in.

1118
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: They've got Irish liberator I think Michael Collins, they have

1119
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Justin Rogers is still there, former I think five star

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: at least, a blue chip quarterback who dealt with me

1121
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: and pretty horrific foot injury, and then Alex Delton transferring

1122
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: in from Kansas City State. So I really like the

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01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: way that Jake phrased it, where he was like, yeah,

1124
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: they each have a twenty five percent shot. That's just

1125
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: how it's sort of working. So I do like that

1126
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: very clearly wide open situations like that.

1127
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: When TCUs had a quarterback, they've been very good. They've

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: been very good. Yeah, but they need that quarterback. I

1129
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 3: don't know if they've found that in quite some time.

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01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: Jake underscore Trotter. Yes is his Twitter. Make sure you

1131
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: go out and follow if you haven't already. Great as

1132
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: always here on the show. Don't forget if you're listening

1133
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: now in the off season. If you just found us

1134
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: for the first time, Hello, we are on Twitter. We're

1135
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: at Solid Verbal. You can also find our Instagram. You

1136
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: can also find us out there on Facebook, Facebook dot com,

1137
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: slash Soliverbal, or going out to our website at soliverbal

1138
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: dot com. We've got a newsletter sign up there. We

1139
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: don't spam people or not in the habit of that,

1140
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: but whenever we've got critical announcements or important news tidbits

1141
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: that we want to share, we send it out through

1142
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: something we call the Newsletter of Intent. For you to

1143
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: sign up, going out fill out the form on our

1144
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: website soliverbal dot com. There's also a subreddit started buy

1145
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: Verballers for Verbulers reddit dot com, slash r slash Soliverbal.

1146
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: If you want to join the community, talk about all

1147
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: of our shows. I'm sure Peter from the subredit would

1148
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 3: be happy to have you. What else do we got, Dan?

1149
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: What else is going on?

1150
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: Alex Hornerbrook is transferring from the one? Why is he training?

1151
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: I didn't see a specific reason, and it doesn't seem

1152
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: too acrimonious, but it might be. I saw Paul Christ

1153
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: wished him the best. Obviously a three year starter for

1154
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: the Bangers, so whoever gets him is getting a a

1155
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: pretty proven winner and the owner of a one pop

1156
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: gun arm, which always appreciate. Oregon hired Boise State's defensive

1157
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: coordinator after Jim Levitt and Oregon parted ways. They hired

1158
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: Alex excuse me, Andy Avlos from Boise State, former linebackers coach,

1159
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: former linebacker for the Broncos, and young and very well

1160
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: regarded in terms of coaching circles. And I don't know

1161
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: what exactly the defense that Oregon will be running is

1162
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: and will look like, but by all accounts, people seem

1163
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: to like him. We mentioned some Penn State transfers. It

1164
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: looks like Cam Sullivan Brown is coming back to Penn State.

1165
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: So at least that's a thing, because that was on

1166
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: our list of what nineteen items that seemed intriguing going

1167
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: into the off season. Ty story is going to Western

1168
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: Kentucky transferring from Arkansas. And I did see well two

1169
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: other things. I did see Pitts going to be wearing

1170
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: their like the on gold, but more of the mustard

1171
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: yellow and blue look more often. I like it very much.

1172
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Pro that, sure. And then also I need to look

1173
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: further into this because I was asked this sort of

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: blindly and I hadn't seen it because I am barely

1175
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: succeeding and raising a one month old. Sure, but what

1176
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: was the story between the Pac twelve and the Big

1177
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: twelve pseudo joining forces to have a college basketball style

1178
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: challenge and then play each other in a conference championship

1179
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: thing at the end of the year. A strategic alliance

1180
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: is what I saw.

1181
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Dan, all.

1182
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna read this out loud, and we'll just

1183
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: react to this as the dumb dumbs that we are. Okay,

1184
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: you ready, sure, just react organically. I'm seeing here, So

1185
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: West Virginia President Gordon g who we all remember is

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: a g or Gee.

1187
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: I believe it's Gee. It is Gee, okay, e Gordon Gyee.

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: He's at West Virginia now.

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: Gordon Gee, he's at West Virginia. He asked former Kansas

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: State Athletic director on we Falled Wayfauld to consider ways

1191
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 1: to quote strengthen the Big Twelve. Here's what he came

1192
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: up with. Wayfauld, Wayfeld, whatever, who is not working for

1193
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve in an official capacity, concluded his pet

1194
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: project months later with an eleven page document entitled quote

1195
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: a proposal to create a strategic alliance between the Big

1196
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: twelve and the PAC twelve. So this is very much

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: on brand with today's show. In it, he writes, the

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Speaker 1: alliance of twenty two universities from the Great Planes to

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Speaker 1: the West Coast would provide the vital content of big

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01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: time football games that on thick, isn't he corporate speak?

1201
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: Oh?

1202
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: Way fair, just what you need?

1203
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So would provide the vital content of big

1204
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: time football games that dovetail nicely with the new new

1205
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: developing platforms of information.

1206
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Speaker 3: Holy he didn't say a damning in.

1207
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: The one thousand years old Yeah Wayfall's proposal calls for

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01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: all thirty of the Big twelve's non conference games and

1209
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: for thirty of the PAC twelves thirty six out of

1210
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: league games to be played against each so almost creating

1211
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: their own level of football in a way. The matchups

1212
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: would be spread evenly across the season, ten per month,

1213
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: with the winners of each conference meeting at the end

1214
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: of the regular season for a championship game, which would

1215
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: rotate between the Rose Bowl and AT and T Stadium

1216
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: in Arlington. So you see what they're doing here. They're

1217
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: setting themselves up to be their own non conference. Like

1218
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: it's in my best friend's wedding situation where if we're

1219
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: not married by forty Like, why don't we just do

1220
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: this ourselves?

1221
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: Sure?

1222
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: Good idea, bad idea, Okay idea. I mean.

1223
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 3: It gives us more intriguing games. It does, So from

1224
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 3: that standpoint, I think it's a good move for them.

1225
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: It's taking notreed ames deal with the ACC and building

1226
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: the whole plane out of it.

1227
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: Basically, it strikes me as a good move for the

1228
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 3: PAC twelve.

1229
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: Playing Texas playing Oklahoma, playing TCU playing West Virginia, you know,

1230
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: the classic PAC twelve matchup of Oregon State West Virginia.

1231
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: I think it's more we get something out of the

1232
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: ordinary each month of each each month of the month

1233
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: of the season. So if the PAC twelve is having

1234
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: a down year like they've they had last year, you

1235
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: are not inclined to be watching Arizona Washington State with

1236
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: the same type of interest that you would be perhaps

1237
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: other seasons, whereas maybe there's something tickling a part of

1238
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: your brain that doesn't get tickled and you're like, oh,

1239
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: we get a cheese at Bowl rematch at the end

1240
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: of October, we get Keltcu. Okay, you give me an hour,

1241
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: impress me, Like, I think there is that element of

1242
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: this sort of thing because the Big twelve has had

1243
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: trouble finding partner schools to add on to their current

1244
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: ten right, they really didn't look at the American Conference

1245
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: schools in question whether it was USF for Cincinnati, Memphis,

1246
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: Houston as being worthy, which that's their prerogative, whatever, And

1247
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve has had a visibility issue that the

1248
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: Big twelve doesn't necessarily have because of its bigger programs

1249
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: and its own TV deals and not having the network,

1250
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: the Conference network that is shielding off games to a

1251
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: lot of the viewing public. So in a way, they're

1252
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: scratching each other's back in a kind of an interesting way.

1253
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: It's an interesting precedence.

1254
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: So is this sort of a shadow version of the

1255
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 3: old Chip Brown Pac twelve Big twelve Pangaea conference.

1256
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting a super conference without the commitment. They're

1257
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: friends with benefits.

1258
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: I like that.

1259
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: What was your McConaughey thought, Oh have you seen.

1260
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: The McConaughey Lincoln commercials that think they played it during

1261
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? They make no sense to me, Ty,

1262
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 3: they don't. I want to live tweet one. I want

1263
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 3: to I want to go through frame by frame and

1264
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: talk about how on feeling.

1265
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: Well he gets carte blanche. He must each frame of

1266
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: the way you work for a company. Again, I'm spilling

1267
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: no secrets here in which and this is not uncommon

1268
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: for big companies like say the Lincoln Motor Company and

1269
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: the advertising agency that works with Lincoln. There anything that

1270
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: gets put into the public sphere has one hundred and

1271
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: fifty eyeballs on it. Right, Absolutely, I want notes on this.

1272
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: I want notes on this. It's true of entertainment, it's

1273
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: true of media. You have editors, you have somebody giving

1274
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: a look, giving a pass, and you're like, Okay, this

1275
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,480
Speaker 1: doesn't fully make sense. Can we reword this? Like what

1276
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: if what if we flip a and b right here.

1277
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: But the Lincoln commercials are like.

1278
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: They just gave it to McConaughey to direct commercial. They're like,

1279
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: we got McConaughey, We're part of the mconnaissance. We're just

1280
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: going to turn this over to you. It's what you

1281
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 3: read able. So now he's he's he's shooting a mass,

1282
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 3: say on a pool table.

1283
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: What is a mass? Is that a move? Is a no?

1284
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 3: That's when you curl the shot.

1285
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, good usage.

1286
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: Then all right he somehow thinkured he could put the

1287
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 3: English on it and hit the assay there. It's just

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Speaker 3: very weird. It doesn't make any sense, and I want

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Speaker 3: to go through it frame by frame and talk about

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Speaker 3: how I feel watching that commercial, because for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: it seems like it's on my TV all the time.

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Speaker 1: If you were to take one hundred road trips, significant

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Speaker 1: road trips, let's say in a Lincoln, let's stay on

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Speaker 1: brand with McConaughey, You take a hundred road trips with

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Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey, how many of out of that one hundred

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Speaker 1: are just excellent, amazing, entertaining the entire time, stories like

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Speaker 1: you could never even imagine, just a delight and how

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Speaker 1: many of them are unbearable. I think I could gain

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Speaker 1: his not trust, but I think he would open up

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Speaker 1: after a couple hundred miles, one hundred and fifty miles,

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Speaker 1: if we're going cross country or something like that. I

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Speaker 1: think I would get great stories. I think his wisdom

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: would not be unbearable, but it would be out there

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Speaker 1: in an entertaining way. There's a fine line.

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Speaker 3: I think this is how we start the mccona cast.

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Speaker 3: I think this is where this is headed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where we just watch all Matthew McConaughey movies and

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Speaker 1: determine what we've learned and what it is to live,

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Speaker 1: like Matthew ConA.

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Speaker 3: To people who have talked to him directly, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I recently did Have you seen Magic? Mike?

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Speaker 3: I have surprisingly good.

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Speaker 1: And we've we've gotten a couple of out of like,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of listeners. We're very lucky to

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Speaker 1: have them. We get like two complaints that are like,

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Speaker 1: you guys aren't talking college football now, it's a good time.

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Speaker 1: Just leave, just signed. Thanks for the download. Glad you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoyed the Big twelve episode. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: My question, ty, how good is Magic?

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Speaker 3: Mike, it's surprisingly good.

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Speaker 1: I watched that with very very good.

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Speaker 3: I watched it with mom age. Oh, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: how that was gonna go, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: uh huh uh huh, because still, even though I'm at

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Speaker 3: a ripe old age now, watching some of those movies

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Speaker 3: with you with your parents is not the most comfortable experience.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: We both genuinely enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: It's Soderberg, right, Steven Soderberg directly, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a much better viewing experience today than I thought.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a sad like, depressing and dark movie.

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Speaker 1: It was a down of a downer of a movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but really good, very surprising. Yeah. That's all I have.

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Speaker 1: That is all I have for our Big twelve spectacular.

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Speaker 1: We talked food, we talked Big twelve. We talked with Hannah. Hey,

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Speaker 1: can I I'm going to tease something for either our

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Speaker 1: Pack twelves or Big ten. Tease autopsy that or maybe

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: a Q and A episode that we'll be doing in

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We're going to talk about your vision,

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: my vision. We're going to talk about your your vision,

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: your your sense of sight, and what's going on there

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,919
Speaker 1: because there is something incredibly.

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Speaker 3: That I didn't you were talking about until like a

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Speaker 3: second ago.

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Speaker 1: But okay, I cannot believe it has taken you this long.

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Speaker 1: That's the tease. Okay, we are going.

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Speaker 3: To tell you about Okay, we can leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Big Thank you to Jake Underscore Trotter out there on

1351
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Speaker 3: the Twitter sphere. Find him, follow him. He's a good dude,

1352
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: been coming on our show for a long time, always insightful,

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 3: talking all things Big twelve. Thank you to again to him, Dan,

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Speaker 3: you take care of yourself.

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 3: I will talk to you soon. To everyone out there

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: who downloaded the show, thank you as always for downloading.

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01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 3: Please do head on out to our webpage soliverble dot com,

1359
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,480
Speaker 3: our Twitter, our Instagram, our Facebook of course the subreddit.

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 3: Get on in the verbaler community. We will be with

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Speaker 3: you all off season long. For that go of there,

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01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, for myself over here, Ty, He'll be brand

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Speaker 3: Thanks again for tuning in. Enjoy the rest of your

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Speaker 3: week as always, enjoy your weekend and end. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: Stay solid, peace,