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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome. It is Tuesday, March the first

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Speaker 1: Happy Marti Gras got to throw that in there. Very

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Speaker 1: but guys, we are back at the Indianapolis Convention Center.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming, not just because we're

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Speaker 1: back at the NFL Combine here on the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: but we are back with our friend Dame Brugler, Draft

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Speaker 1: Show alum, Draft Show originator. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people excited to see on the show man. Welcome back. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it feels so good. It feels right. You know, we

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Speaker 1: better about that first bite into that riverby at Saint Almo's.

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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Draft Show. Here from the Indianapolis Convention Center.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Kyle Yeomans and Dane Brugler. We don't

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Speaker 1: have all the funny sound effects, so I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say it. Dane Twitter on the twenty man. You're ready

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Speaker 1: Twitter Twitter Twitter on the Twitter and Brian's not here,

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Speaker 1: so we can get to some questions. We can actually

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Speaker 1: maybe ten a lot of questions. So, like I said

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Speaker 1: at the end of the last segment, it's the last

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Speaker 1: question I wrote down from Ernie. You already said cave

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Speaker 1: on Thibodeau. We can talk a little bit more about him,

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Speaker 1: but he was curious about prospects who could use really

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Speaker 1: good interviews this week at the combine. Obviously we don't

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Speaker 1: get to see that. Maybe some of these teams will

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Speaker 1: release them later after they draft a guy, but until

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Speaker 1: then we don't know. But just in terms of guys

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Speaker 1: who have questions, whether it's character, whether it's football habits, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Some guys that jump out to you that need to

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Speaker 1: impress in the interview rooms, Well, I think you start

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Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks because you obviously that's that's it's quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: an intangible position. So you have to understand what's their

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Speaker 1: mental development, what's their mental capacity, Where are they when

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Speaker 1: you put them on the white board and get a

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Speaker 1: better sense for how they can read a defense, what

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Speaker 1: they see pre snap post snap, What were their responsibilities

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Speaker 1: in college, like, uh, you know, college offenses. The number

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Speaker 1: one goal for a college offense is not to prepare

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Speaker 1: you for the NFL. It's to win games, and so

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Speaker 1: they're going to make it as simplistic as possible. And

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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of these quarterbacks just weren't asked

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Speaker 1: to do things that you're gonna be asked to do

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. That doesn't mean you can't do it,

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Speaker 1: just means they weren't asked too. So I think that'll

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Speaker 1: be big for a lot of these quarterbacks, especially you

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Speaker 1: look at Malik Willis coming from that scheme with you free, um,

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Speaker 1: Matt Carroll with Lane Kiffin, a very an offense that's

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Speaker 1: designed around uh, set throws where you don't have to

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Speaker 1: make a ton of progression reads. And so that'll be

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Speaker 1: big for these quarterbacks. Um. You know. I I think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of these players, it's maybe understand Ark

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Speaker 1: getting a better sense for you know, why the production

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Speaker 1: wasn't better, Uh de marven le Al from A and

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Speaker 1: M like, Okay, you've got the trades, you got the skills,

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Speaker 1: you know, why weren't you more of an impact player? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, and kind of challenge him a little bit

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Speaker 1: on that, you know, Derek Stingley that that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a big one. M I know, you guys have talked

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Speaker 1: extensively about Stingley, and you know, is he and alpha?

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Speaker 1: Is he can he come in and be at number one?

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Speaker 1: And is it more than just durability questions? Does he

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Speaker 1: have that it factor to be worthy of a top

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Speaker 1: pick um And so, you know, I think that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: A lot of these players are coming in and you know,

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Speaker 1: we see what's on film. Uh, we see their talent,

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Speaker 1: and that's maybe the easiest part of the process. The second,

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Speaker 1: you know, the other part of the process is understanding

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Speaker 1: who they are as people. Do they fit with your culture,

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Speaker 1: do they fit with what you're trying to build? Are

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Speaker 1: they good human beings? Off the field? A lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys just they don't fit what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: And so after an interview, you're not talking to a scout.

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Speaker 1: He told me that they cross off more names from

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Speaker 1: their list based off of interviews that did not go

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Speaker 1: the well the way they thought, compared to anything that

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Speaker 1: happens on the field this week. So, you know, bad

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Speaker 1: forties and things like that. They cross off more names

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Speaker 1: because of the interviews than anything else, because they realize, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy's just not a fit for what we're trying

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Speaker 1: to build in our in our building. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: the world's most public job fair of all time, because

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what it is. It's it's performance based, sure,

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Speaker 1: but there's an interview aspect and there's that personality side

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Speaker 1: to it. And one of the names that I thought

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Speaker 1: of first was Jordan Davis too out of Georgia, defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in that conversation about his production and his collegian scheme.

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Speaker 1: Is he able to play three downs in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Is he able to make a lengthy impact drive to

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Speaker 1: drive for an interior of a defensive line. That's something

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Speaker 1: that I would ask throughout as a scout because I

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Speaker 1: want to know if he's going to make an impact

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Speaker 1: not only on first and second down, but can he

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Speaker 1: get it done on third down as well and continue

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Speaker 1: to stop the run the way that he does whenever

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Speaker 1: he's out on the field period. It's funny because it's

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Speaker 1: definitely the world's most public job fair, But the irony

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Speaker 1: is some of the most important information never sees the

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Speaker 1: light of the light of day. Yeah, between the medicals,

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Speaker 1: which again I think we everybody agrees, is the really

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Speaker 1: the reason why we're here, absolutely, and then the interviews

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Speaker 1: and maybe the best of the best of draft media

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Speaker 1: might uncover a few of these things. Maurice Hearst comes

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Speaker 1: to mind, sitting right here. Yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 1: we were doing a showy Brian wanted to draft Maurice

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Speaker 1: Hearst in the first round and we find out he's

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Speaker 1: got an irregular heartbeat on the show, and I think

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Speaker 1: I think Brian just shut down for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the day. But but like, maybe two or three of

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Speaker 1: those things will come out, And meanwhile, every team, I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget. I'm not going to say the guy's name,

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Speaker 1: but like the Cowboys people told me after the fact,

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Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, we know you love that guy.

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Speaker 1: We were never going to draft him because of something

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Speaker 1: that was wrong with him. And I'm just like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had known that in February. But I

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Speaker 1: understand why you don't yet comblicize that information for a reason.

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Speaker 1: But it goes back to the intimacy of these conversations

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Speaker 1: and the importance of them as well. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: why the convention center is as big as it is

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Speaker 1: here in India's because they have all these rooms and

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Speaker 1: you have all these interactions that are crucial to who

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Speaker 1: is ultimately going to end up on your roster. So

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Speaker 1: we're not interested in getting too deep into the Cowboys weeds.

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Speaker 1: But Stephen Jones, interviewed with Cowboys media yesterday, was pretty

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Speaker 1: noncommittal about A Mari Cooper's history with the team. So

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Speaker 1: Mario asked, if A Maria Cooper's not here, what is

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Speaker 1: the likelihood of drafting a receiver in the first three rounds?

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Speaker 1: I think we would all agree that if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: it's fairly likely. Yeah, it's likely. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: skip that part of it, But I'm curious to hear

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Speaker 1: from you, Dane. We can do a little bit on

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Speaker 1: the first round, guys. I feel like we've covered a

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Speaker 1: lot a lot of that. But if the Cowboys find

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Speaker 1: themselves needing a receiver that badly, what about some Day

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Speaker 1: two options that intrigue you for them? I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is sorry, this is assuming Amari's not on the team.

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Speaker 1: So what type of receiver you think they go after?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they want a pure outside guy? Do

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Speaker 1: you think they'd be open to a slot in that situation?

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess they could go in any direction. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because if you're not bringing back Amari, there's a chance

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Speaker 1: to try and maybe try to lock up Michael Galla.

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Speaker 1: Wilson could come back. So let's say I would probably

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Speaker 1: say outside receiver would most likely be the biggest replacement

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Speaker 1: for him. Maybe given that CD can play in the slot,

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Speaker 1: I would assume you'd be looking at it outside, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and that's once we get to day two. We're getting

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Speaker 1: the guys with question marks. Uh, you know, the George

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Speaker 1: Pickens of the world, you know from Georgia, who is

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Speaker 1: kind of the offensive version of Derek Sting. You know,

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Speaker 1: he had that great freshman year and then things kind

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Speaker 1: of tailed off from there. So the medicals gonna be

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Speaker 1: big for George Pickens this week. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we're going to see him work out or not, because

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Speaker 1: he's had the ACL last spring. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he feels one hundred percent just yet, so that'll be

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Speaker 1: important to watch. John Metchi from Alabama, who I mean,

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Speaker 1: you want to hear Nick Saban gush, which he doesn't

610
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Speaker 1: do a ton, but you want to hear him gush.

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Speaker 1: Ask him about John Metchi and he calls him the

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Speaker 1: epitome of a wide receiver when you talk about the toughness,

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Speaker 1: the route running, the intangibles. John Metchi, how did she

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Speaker 1: chance to go in the first round? But then he

615
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Speaker 1: added the ACL and so you know this, this franchise

616
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Speaker 1: has not been scared to draft guys coming off injury.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say so, yeah, second round baby

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Speaker 1: right by John Metchi in the second round. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would absolutely be a possible fit. A guy that could

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Speaker 1: play inside or outside. Not I don't think he has

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Speaker 1: like that elite skill where average size, average speed, but

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Speaker 1: he's just a he's already a professional with how he

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Speaker 1: operates and plays the position. Um David Bell from producing

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Speaker 1: that mix. Um, he's kind of like a maybe a

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Speaker 1: poor man's Michael Pittman, you know, like non explosive but

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Speaker 1: just solid down the field. Christian Watson from North Dakota State. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's still really raw as a route runner, but he's

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Speaker 1: got athleticism. He's still figuring out how good he can

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Speaker 1: be like those justin Ross from Clemson. This is a big,

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Speaker 1: big week from him. Uh, you know, he looked like

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Speaker 1: a future top ten pick after that College football playoff

632
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Speaker 1: is freshman year and then things kind of tailed off

633
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Speaker 1: and so teams are trying to figure him out this week.

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Speaker 1: So there's some interesting options on Day two at receiver.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pair that with a question from Cowboy

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Speaker 1: Rattler of the of that crop Day two guys, is

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Speaker 1: there a guy that stands out to you as a

638
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Speaker 1: route runner? Well? I think John Metchi definitely, um and

639
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: we need to talk about John or Jalen Tolbert from

640
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: South Alabama, but he's in that mix two. But in

641
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: terms of a route runner, I have to say Metchi.

642
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: I think he'd be the the more most polished of

643
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: the group, and in just understanding how to attack leverage,

644
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: how to manipulate coverages, how to work the chemistry with

645
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: your quarterback, and be on time, on schedule with everything

646
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: you're doing out there. Metchie has that. Again, if he's

647
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: available for you in the second round, it's really because

648
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: of that injury and nothing else. So I think Metchi

649
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: would stand out as a guy that brings that polish

650
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: as a route runner that maybe you don't usually see

651
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: at that point in the draft. I really like Metchi

652
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: and at that spot, I mean, like you said, second round,

653
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: if he's there fifty six, I'm gushing at the fact

654
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: that he could potentially be available, of course if Amark

655
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: Cooper Mark Cooper is not a part of the team. However,

656
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I just want to play Devil's advocate here. He had

657
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: some problem with bald skills to a certain extent. I mean,

658
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: that wasn't the strong part of his game, but separation,

659
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: route running, his ability to find himself into space, where

660
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: all things that he did very very well. How much

661
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: are you worried about the fact that he hasn't necessarily

662
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: shown that elite ball skills that some of the other

663
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: guys that would be considered first round receivers maybe second

664
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: round receivers have in this class. Yeah, and you know,

665
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: he had a share of drops, but I think his

666
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: drop rate overall, considering the amount of targets he had,

667
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: is okay. It's not like an alarming number, and so

668
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: even though he did have some drops, it's not something

669
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: that I think it would really stop me from drafting him.

670
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Is he a guy that consistently plays bigger than he

671
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: is not necessarily not compared to like a Drake London

672
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: or some of these other guys who you know, play

673
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: above the rim and are able to expand their catch

674
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: radius and crazy ways, he's not that guy. But and again,

675
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what it goes back to, maybe not

676
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: having that elite trait, but just being solid across the board.

677
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: And I think there's something to be said about that consistency,

678
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: going back to your point about just being comfortable with

679
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: a lack of consensus. Would it surprise you at all?

680
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I actually goes in the first round, that would surprise me,

681
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: just because I think there's six receivers in that top

682
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: twenty five in my opinion, and so if he goes

683
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: ahead of one of those six, that would surprise me. Um.

684
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: And then if we had more than six, I think

685
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: that would surprise me. UM. So, especially with the a

686
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: cl we're not gonna be able to see him work out. UM.

687
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I think you know, Kyle's point is is valid. He

688
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: had I always worry about guys that had more drops

689
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: than touchdowns over the career, and Met she's one of

690
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: those guys. One more drop in his career compared to touchdowns. Um,

691
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's not ideal. So I would be surprised

692
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: if we saw him sneaking to that first Who are

693
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: those six wide receivers? I'm just curious, uh, for me,

694
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: it's Garrett Wilson at one. He's my clear cut top guy. Wow.

695
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Traylon Burkes to Drake London three, Jamison Williams four, and

696
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Williams would be higher if not for the AC I

697
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: mean just that that speed. We were robbed of not

698
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: being able to see him this week at the combine.

699
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: He doing more like two tilligence on him. He comes

700
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: from my track family, his entire family track athletes. So

701
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. There uh

702
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: five of Lava six. John Dotson to me, all six

703
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: of those guys belonging to top twenty five picks, and

704
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: probably all six probably won't go out of high so

705
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: a team picking twenty seven to thirty five will get

706
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: good value there. Nice. I love. I love forward thinking

707
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: questions from people that are trying to problem solve. So

708
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: Wayne and Johnny both ask similar questions about different players.

709
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: They're looking for j Ron Curse if j Ron Curse

710
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: isn't able to be retained in free agency. So Wayne

711
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: wants to know. And I think it's interesting because I

712
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: think of both of these guys more as cover safeties

713
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: than box safeties. Dax Hill out of Michigan and obvious

714
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: and Quon Brisker out of state. And again I think

715
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: of those guys more as coverage guys, but they both

716
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: want to know, like, are those guys capable of thriving

717
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: in more of a box sort of linebacker hybrid type

718
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: of role. See. I think if you're keeping Dax Hill

719
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: in the box, I think you're just you're not doing him.

720
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: You're doing him a disservice. You know, his athleticism, his versatility,

721
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: that's why you drafted Daxil. Because if you're drafting Jack Hill,

722
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you're doing it in the first round. So you know,

723
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna get a guy like that,

724
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: you want him to play the nickel. You want to

725
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: play over the slot receiver. You want to play more

726
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: of a split safety where he's gonna cover half the field.

727
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: You want him showing off that athleticism because Dax Hil

728
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: is gonna tear it up this week. He's gonna have

729
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: outstanding numbers. And that athleticism is why you draft Dack

730
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Hill in the first round. So you know, I if

731
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna draft them just to play on the box,

732
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I think you're maybe doing them a disservice and you

733
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: might as well, wait and draft a different safety at

734
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: a different point in the draft. Brisker, I think is

735
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: more of that box guy that he played a lot

736
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: of box at Penn State. Um, you know, the mistackles

737
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: piled up for him this year, but he's also injured

738
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: and so that's that's something with him that you're trying

739
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: to figure out, is you know how much did the

740
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: injuries cause the mistackles? But jico On Brisker should be

741
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: another top tester this week at the safety position. Okay,

742
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: as long as we're with DBS, and I am interested

743
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: in this. You mentioned cornerbacks maybe improving their stock this week.

744
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: I feel like Sting, Sauce Gardner, and Andrew Booth are

745
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: like really the only three that I hear about is

746
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: in terms of first rounders. Wow, you didn't mention my

747
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: number one corner Oh God, who am I forgive him?

748
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: From Florida? Oh McDuffie from Washington. We talked about, We

749
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: talked about my I'm gonna say it again, my apologies

750
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: to Washington because I feel like they deserve so much

751
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: more credit for franking out DBS there out West and

752
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: we will ball in the league every year. We can

753
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: talk about DBU later and whether or not the Ben

754
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Rouge or up in the Pacific Northwest. I got nothing

755
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: to say, but okay, so Chris want Chris wants to

756
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: know first of all, and his question is mainly like,

757
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: is cornerback a realistic scenario for the Cowboys? How does

758
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: the fact that Calvin Joseph and Nashan Wright are sitting

759
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: there on the depth chart? How does it play into that?

760
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: On top of whether or not you think it's a

761
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: good idea. Maybe, yeah, let's just kick around some names,

762
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: because I don't think any of us think Gardner and

763
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: Stingley are going to be there at twenty four, but

764
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: maybe some guys who would be. Yeah, and maybe and

765
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Andrew Booth makes it to you at a Clemson who's

766
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: a really exciting player just still getting better and better. Um,

767
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you guys, just with the

768
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: corner the current depth chart, the cornerback position. They invested

769
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: two corners in the top three rounds last year. You

770
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of them up and down, and

771
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: so what's the feeling in the building of those two

772
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: guys going into next season? Go first, I'll follow up.

773
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: I'll start with me like it terrifies me. It's a

774
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: chart the situation right now, because like on paper, you're like,

775
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: we spent two top one hundred picks on this position. Yeah,

776
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: and on top of that, we have an all pro now,

777
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: so we're sure you're set there. Anthony Brown and Jordan

778
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Lewis were absolutely good enough that I'm not worried about

779
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: getting rid of them. But you got to start thinking

780
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: about the future. Anthony Brown, now in the last year

781
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: of his extension, probably not going to do that again.

782
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think, I think the Cowboys are

783
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: optimistic that the arrow is pointing up, particularly on Kelvin Joseph.

784
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: But is it enough that if that guy's sitting there,

785
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: you go away from it. I don't think so. I

786
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: definitely don't think so. And that's my thing too, is

787
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph could could come in, be that slot guy

788
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: in the future, could play in the slot, could play outside.

789
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe that Anthony Brown Jordan Lewis role. He

790
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: can kind of fill in whoever's not on the field.

791
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: We can't see him do it this year. That's my

792
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: that's my point. That's kind of what I'm getting to,

793
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: is the fact that he was expected to be a

794
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: heavy part of the rotation later in the season and

795
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: he never got there. Now, does that mean he's not

796
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: going to be there in twenty twenty two? Not necessarily.

797
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: I think there's still a chance that he sees a

798
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: heavy amount of snap work and is able to show

799
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: some versatility in his game at the cornerback spot as

800
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: soon as the year kicks off later in the fall. However,

801
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: if there is a there at either twenty four or

802
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: at fifty six that you fall in love with, that

803
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you shouldn't take him just because you have

804
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: four guys right now that you feel have the opportunity

805
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: to play significant number of snaps for you. Do you

806
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: think twenty four like what McDuffie's Well, you have him

807
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: as your CB one, So I mean did The name

808
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: to watch is gonna be Kyler Gordon, McDuffie's teammate at Washington.

809
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon's gonna just have a ridiculous week and he's

810
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: got a fascinating background. He was kung fu and a

811
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: dance champion growing up. Wow, that translated at the football field,

812
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: the basketball court forum in high school. And then he

813
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: goes to Washington and it is up and down a start, Like,

814
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has the most natural instincts,

815
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: but when you talk about a guy that with size

816
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: and his athleticism and you know, can make plays on

817
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: the ball when it's in his area. He's the toughness.

818
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: He will lay out guys. So when you put that

819
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: all together, it's like, yeah, he doesn't maybe have those

820
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: elite instincts, but he's got what you can't teach with

821
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: the movements and he's you know, he's a physical, competitive kid.

822
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: So I think Kyler Gordon, if he tests like we

823
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: expect him to test pencilman the first round, he's going

824
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: to go that high. So there's a lot to work

825
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: with Kyler Gordon. This is this is what this is

826
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: what you miss with not having Dane, because like we

827
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: can watch the tape and tell you what we think,

828
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: but Dane's like, yeah, this guy's a black belt, that's true.

829
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Kung fu martial arts. Yeah, that's what he was. His

830
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: mom was a kind of like a gymnastics teacher, so

831
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: got him into all these different things and he was

832
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: mister Spotlight at like nine years old all these dance competitions.

833
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what that flexibility and quickness that

834
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: that translated. And just to back up your point, Dave,

835
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: is the fact that I'm looking at what Dane is

836
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: looking at on his laptop right now. There is nothing

837
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: here that says anything about a dance background or a

838
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: taekwondo machine, Like I have to go pull up scouting

839
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: reports just to talk about players, whereas Dane just has

840
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: it off the top. It's pretty like Dana, I'm shocked

841
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: at everywhere the Beast. I assume you don't have a

842
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: release date, but I'm guessing like beginning of April, first

843
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: week of April is always the goal. And so Kyle,

844
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned how it's March already and I'm kind of

845
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: sweating right now thinking about that. Um, but yeah, yeah,

846
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: we'll get it done somehow somewhere. As he's the Beast,

847
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: it's the best, It's the best draft guy that exists.

848
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: You're doing a disservice if you don't get it. Keep

849
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: an eye out for that, all right, Rich. I love this.

850
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I love the way people get scarred by picks U.

851
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: Rich wants to know more about David A. Jabo and

852
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the fact that in the Michigan Oh yeah, yeah, you

853
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: know where I'm going. I don't even have to say this.

854
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: I am Taco. I don't know you did more. Sorry,

855
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: it's okay, don't scout the helmet. Uh. You know, David

856
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Dajabo and Taco Charlton of very little in common except

857
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: they played in ann arbor Um Ojabo and we can

858
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: talk about guy's gonna impress it the combine. He went

859
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: to high school with Jason Oway. Oh, Dafeway, who's the

860
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: first round pick of the Ravens last year, ran off

861
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: four three seven at the forty in the forty at

862
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Pence's pro day last year. Oh, just ridiculous. David Jabo

863
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: will tell you that he used to beat away in

864
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: hundred meter dashes in high school. So he's gonna light

865
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: it up this week and you see it on the field. Now.

866
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: Do you have to hide him a little bit in

867
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: there as a rundefender, Yeah, you do. He's still figuring

868
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: out how to set the edge and be a functional

869
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: run defender, especially at his size. But if you want

870
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: a guy that can get after the quarterback, he finished

871
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: second in the Big Ten this year in sacks. And

872
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: who do you finish behind? Just hi Adan Hutchinson his teammates,

873
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: So you know he can do a lot of things

874
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: for you as a pash rusher, and he's been playing

875
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: football for five years, still growing, still learning. I mean,

876
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about him, and I'm not sure we need

877
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: to because he's not made at twenty four wow, So

878
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: no way is there any question mark around him. Just

879
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: the fact that, like you mentioned, his teammate Aidan Hutchinson

880
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: drew so much of that attention, drew so much of

881
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: the looks from opposing teams in the Big Ten to

882
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: where maybe it did allow for a job out to

883
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of see a free release at different times throughout

884
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: his film. I mean, he still has to beat his blocker.

885
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, did he see you know, fewer double teams

886
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: in Hutchinson. Yeah, but he's supposed to beat this guy

887
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: and he did consistently. So I mean that that is

888
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: something I think is fair to point out, but it

889
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: is not something that would stop me from drafting. I mean,

890
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the pass rushers this year,

891
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: a lot of split opinions about how you rank these guys. Hutchinson, Thibodeaux,

892
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Travan Walker for me is up there, um, and then

893
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: you throw Jabos in there, and then Jermaine Johnson and

894
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: then if you want to throw Karloftis in there as well.

895
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: So that's six guys that should all be in that

896
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: top twenty conversation. I get real excited when you mentioned

897
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: like six guys, and because I think you've said it

898
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: about four different positions at this point, and I'm like, well,

899
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: they can't all go, they can't all go. Dan will

900
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: be here at twenty four. All right. One one more

901
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 1: from my buddy Randall. A lot of people worried about

902
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offensive line, and rightfully so, um he wants

903
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: to know. And we've I mean, we've beaten the first

904
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: round prospects into the ground at this point. But if

905
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: they were to double dip at the position, can you

906
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: imagine a way that that would look like maybe a

907
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: first rounder and then again on Day two or what

908
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: have you? Sure? And I think nothing should be off

909
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: limits when we talk about offensive line and the Cowboys

910
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: don't want to go tackle makes sense? Guard? Okay, upgrade

911
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: at center. I think that's something that should be on

912
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: the table and something they need to consider. So uh yeah,

913
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: I no team is set on the offensive line, not

914
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: a single team in the NFL. And so if you

915
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: double dip in the first three rounds on the offensive line.

916
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: Not only does that make sense, but it's smart. Um,

917
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's especially when you think about the

918
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the identity they want to have on offense.

919
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: You need you need to give your quarterback help, You

920
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: need to give your running game help, and I think

921
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: that this draft is set up to do that. When

922
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: you look at the offensive line in the first round.

923
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: If they there's there's at least a scenario where no

924
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: interior offensive linement is off the board before the Cowboys pick,

925
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: which would be I think a great situation. If that's

926
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: a direction want to go. If they want to go

927
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: at Tyler Lennard Baum at center, if they want to

928
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: go to Kenyan Green from a and m Zion Johnson,

929
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: I think is in that mix as well. But if

930
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: they also want to wait until second or third round,

931
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: I think the position stretches. I love Luke Fortner from

932
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Kentucky or Cole Strange from Chattanooga two centers in the

933
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: third round. I think those guys will be starting in

934
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, Tyler Smith from Tulsa is a

935
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: really intriguing player because he's one of the youngest players

936
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: in the draft. He's got a really interesting mix of

937
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: power explosions. His fundamentals just need rebuilt from the bottom up,

938
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: and so he's not ready to play right away. But

939
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: what you're thinking about what he could be down the line,

940
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith's easy to get excited about. Bringing up Tyler

941
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Smith from Tulsa. Keep keep an eye on that name

942
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: just in the future. Keep keep an eye on that name.

943
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I think that's something that could possibly come up again.

944
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: I love how thorough y'all are, like. I think I

945
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: wrote down a list of names I want to get

946
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: to in the third segment. I think we've covered half

947
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: of them into this segment. So why don't we go

948
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: ahead and take that second break and we'll get into

949
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: that in a little bit more detailed. To round this up,

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984
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Speaker 1: Show wrapping up this first episode of Combine week. On

985
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Speaker 1: the Draft Show, it's gonna be hectic. There's a lot

986
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: of moving parts, there's a lot of schedules. But I

987
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988
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Speaker 1: shows this week. I'm excited about that. Yes, showing out

989
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: the cash to get a Dane on here because spare

990
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Speaker 1: no expense for the best analyst in the game. I

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: agree completely. So I laughed at the time at the

992
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: end of the last segment because I wrote down a

993
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: list of names, Like when I prep for the show,

994
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm always like, who are we not talking about? That?

995
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: We should be that fans want to hear about that

996
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: people are talking about, and I really think Tyler Smith,

997
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: that Tulsa offensive tackle, he's like right at the top

998
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: of that list. So can we just expand on that

999
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: a little bit? Who he is as a prospect. He's

1000
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: one of the youngest players in this draft, redster sophomore,

1001
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: came out early, and there's gonna be a lot of

1002
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: split opinion on him from evaluator to evaluator because so

1003
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: much of his his draft grade is based on a

1004
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: projection what he's going to be down the road. Because

1005
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: when you look at the foundational traits that you want

1006
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, size checks that box, movement, skills checks

1007
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that box play, strength there, physical brand of football is there.

1008
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: It's just the fundamentals need a lot of work. The

1009
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: he's just incredibly raw, and so when is it be

1010
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: able to help your football team. That's why I would

1011
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: be surprised if you went in the first round, just

1012
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: because I don't know that he's necessarily going to help

1013
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: you right away. That's it's kind of a draft and

1014
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: developed type of player, and that's hard to take in

1015
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: the first round. But you know, we've seen the worst

1016
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: offensive lineman go in the first round. You know Isaiah Wilson,

1017
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: you know the Titans took in the first round two

1018
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: years ago. Well, if that's the case, then maybe that one.

1019
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: But my point is is that Tyler Smith, I think

1020
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: is you're more oftenistic about him than you were about

1021
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson. So the offensive line is such a starved

1022
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: position around the league that guys like this don't last

1023
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: very long. So maybe he sneaks into that top forty mix.

1024
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: But again we're talking about a guy that needs a

1025
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: lot of work before he's you know, the guy that

1026
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you expect him to be. No, no surprise on this.

1027
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Dane's got the guy peg to a certain extent,

1028
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: and the reason why is because you look at the youth,

1029
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: but you also look at the aggression. I mean, he

1030
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: is one of the most aggressive, heavy hitting big guards

1031
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: in all of college football. Sixteen penalties this year. He's

1032
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: as fans don't want to hear, something phenomenal, six foot six,

1033
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pounds. Of course, we'll see what

1034
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: he's weighed at this week. He did not go to

1035
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl because, of course, he's twenty one years

1036
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: old by the time the draft he's actually not twenty

1037
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: one yet. Still, he will be twenty one when the

1038
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: draft comes around for like twenty five days prior to

1039
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: the first round. But he's one of those guys that

1040
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: I think Dallas has their eye on in that second

1041
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: round because, like you said, because of the unpolishedness, because

1042
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: the reason why he maybe has those penalties is because

1043
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: there are some ways that he can grow in his game.

1044
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: But if he's able to grow in his game, he

1045
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't just be a starter this year. He'd be a

1046
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: starter in the future if maybe they move on from

1047
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Connor Williams at that spot, if there's something that they

1048
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: could upgrade there, but they don't necessarily want to spend

1049
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: that high in the first round. If he's at fifty

1050
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: six and he's the selection, don't be surprised and also

1051
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: be happy about that because I think that's something that

1052
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: could really benefit this football team and especially the rotation

1053
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: and the offensive line moving forward. He mentioned his aggression,

1054
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: and that's that's the strength and the weakness. You love

1055
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: to see it, You love to see the way he plays,

1056
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it leads to chaotic timing

1057
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: and you go have a tallencl right and it's sixteen

1058
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: penalties this year, like that's that's that's an issue. Obviously,

1059
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: he needs to grow and mature and I will he

1060
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: reach that point hopefully, but again there's more of a

1061
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: projection with him, which is why we're probably looking at

1062
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: more of a second round pick. Yep. It sounds weird

1063
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: to say about an offensive line that struggled as much

1064
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: as this one day in the second half of the year,

1065
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: but if there's a unit that could take a guy

1066
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: who needs a year to sit and develop, it's probably

1067
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: this one still, yeah, because I mean, you still have

1068
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: starters available at every position, and honestly, how often do

1069
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: second round picks come in and beat the difference between

1070
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: you win. You're losing a division, right you know, Like

1071
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: it's just you have to frame it that way when

1072
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, who's gonna especially in the

1073
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: second first round maybe a little different discussion, but second

1074
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: third round, it's a long term investment more so than

1075
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: who's gonna, you know, fill that need right away that

1076
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: we have Kelvin Joseph an example that we saw earlier

1077
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: in the show and what we've seen this past year.

1078
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: And then you ask the question of earlier how could

1079
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: the double dip happen. Maybe if you take a Tyler

1080
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: Linderbaum who falls to you at twenty four, if that's

1081
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: even possible, then you turn around you want to upgrade

1082
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: the guard spot as well and just completely redo your

1083
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: offensive line. That could be a way to do it.

1084
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: Sticking with offensive line, senior Bowl guy that I feel

1085
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: like we didn't give just attention to Bernard Ryman Sentman

1086
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: the Austrian. First of all, the story just an amazing backstory.

1087
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: He was a wide receiver, came over to the United States,

1088
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: moves a tight end, goes to Central Michigan tight end

1089
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: his first few years, and not only did he make

1090
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: the tight end to tackle transition, he did it in

1091
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: the midst of a pandemic. So it's just a really

1092
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: rare thing hin with him. Not the longest player, doesn't

1093
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: have the widest range, but he's doubt at the point

1094
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: of attack for a guy that has not been playing

1095
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: the position very long, he understands how to best use

1096
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: his body posture and the technique. And so yeah, Bernard Raymond,

1097
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I think he's somewhere in that late first round and

1098
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: absolutely should be on the radar for the Cowboys at

1099
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: twenty four. See that's see twenty four. I that actually

1100
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: surprised me. I thought you would say something of fifty

1101
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: six to the third round. The fact that you said,

1102
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, really, I don't think he's is another one

1103
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: of those things of ceiling in terms of looking at

1104
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: guys in the way that they could based on their backstory,

1105
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: the way that they can improve because they're so raw

1106
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: at the position at the moment. Yes, but I really

1107
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: don't think that Raymond is is. I mean, he is raw,

1108
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: but not to the extent that I would it would

1109
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: hesitate me from throwing him out there from day one.

1110
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: I think he can handle it. I mean, I think

1111
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: because he is a little bit older guy, and I

1112
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: think he is one of the most genuine people I've

1113
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: ever talked with my life. Like he's just a really

1114
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: smart guy who understands where he needs to get better,

1115
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: what his strengths are. And I think that self evaluation

1116
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: at self awareness goes a long way with young players,

1117
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: and so I think he's going to be a really

1118
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: solid pro early in his career. I swear to God,

1119
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: the entire Georgia defense is going to get drafted. It's

1120
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: not that pretty close. It's that. But a guy that

1121
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we've really talked about is uh the

1122
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: third of these Georgia linebackers. Kway Walker. In this instance, Oh,

1123
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: he might be the I think you should be the

1124
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: second drafted of these Georgia linebackers, behind the Kobe d

1125
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: in front of Channing Tindall. Uh quay Walker. He looks

1126
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: like a defensive I mean he's like sixty three and

1127
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: a half two fifty and I bet you runs in

1128
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: the mid four fives this week. He's gonna tear it up.

1129
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: One year starter. He's got that inside outside versatility, He's

1130
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: got the experience doing both. Outstanding athlete. There's a lot

1131
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: to like about kway Walker in the second round. I

1132
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: don't know that he makes it to the Cowboys second

1133
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: round pick, but if he does, if you're looking for

1134
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: a linebacker, kway Walker would be the dude. He's my

1135
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: third linebacker as well. I mean I have Dean, then Lloyd,

1136
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a gap there and then

1137
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: you've got kway Walker sitting there. I agree. I think

1138
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: he could bring that pass rusher mentality if if he

1139
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: is able to get there to fifty six. But I

1140
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen. I always I always geek

1141
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: out about like the thirty three to seventy five pick range,

1142
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: but because they're all great players, but they slipped especially No,

1143
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: it feels even, it feels even deeper this year. Absolutely, Uh,

1144
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: it's sixty players deeper. You're gonna be geeking wake wake

1145
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: me up when the first round's over, Like I'll figure that,

1146
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Like that's fine. Just don't worry about thurday night. I'll

1147
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: show up Friday. You mentioned you mentioned him earlier in

1148
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: the show, but I'd like to talk a little bit

1149
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: more about Justin Ross because I do remember him looking

1150
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: like he was going to set the world that that

1151
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: that the playoffs with the year Slimson receiver for the

1152
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: year clumpson one national title, Thank Trevor Lawrences freshman year.

1153
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: Justin Ross, uh freshman receiver Notre Dame in Alabama. Those

1154
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: two games. He went over three hundred yards combined in

1155
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: those in those two games with a couple of just

1156
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: ridiculous highlight reel grabs. He just okay, pencilman the top

1157
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: ten a couple of years from now, but had the

1158
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: next surgery and then he missed this the he had

1159
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: season ending foot surgery this year. He was cleared to

1160
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: work out this week. So what type what type of

1161
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: athlete we're talking about post injuries? Post two pretty serious injuries, UM,

1162
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: and the medicals be obviously important for him. So justin

1163
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: Ross is kind of the I don't know quite what

1164
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: to do with him like that. That's the type of

1165
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: player that could have the most fluctuation based off the

1166
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: combine because you're getting them clinfoe and you're seeing just

1167
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: what type of athlete is he post injury? Uh So

1168
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: this this receiver position on day two, he could maybe

1169
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: make a jump if he you know, hits the boxes

1170
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: he needs to hit here in Indianapolis, where do you

1171
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: have him right now? He's like thirteen UM back end

1172
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: at my top one hundred, you know, just like behind

1173
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: guys like Pickens and David Bell, and so it's kind

1174
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: of like you just park them there and you kind

1175
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: of figure out as the process goes on to where

1176
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: you put him, because it's is a talented dude. He

1177
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: might have the biggest catch radius of any receiver in

1178
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: this draft. Uh. He's just really remarkable with the adjustment

1179
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: skills in his length. But again, coming back from those

1180
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: two major injuries and just not sure what type of

1181
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: what type of player he is. The combine will be

1182
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: big for him. Is there a chance that with him?

1183
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: Of course, with him being on the field, he's always

1184
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: played really well. I mean even this year, even with

1185
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: the injuries, he had forty six receptions five hundred fourteen

1186
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: yards town Yeah, like like quarterback situation really hurt him

1187
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: this yet clumps him, didn't help him out at all. Absolutely,

1188
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: if if everything checks out, everything looks good from the combine,

1189
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: is there a chance he skyrockets up to the top

1190
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: of back maybe top seven eight conversation In terms of receivers,

1191
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I know there's probably six guys that you feel really

1192
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: good about right now. However, I mean seven and eight

1193
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: I feel like isn't out of the ordinary with a

1194
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: ross guy. I think, going back to what we talked

1195
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: about before, how there won't be a consensus. There will

1196
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: be teams that see the injury history and just say,

1197
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, no thanks, But there will be some teams that,

1198
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, if the medical info comes back, hey two

1199
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: thumbs up, we think you know, we shouldn't shouldn't affect

1200
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: him long term, then there will be some more teams

1201
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: that have a little more appetite for risk that say, okay,

1202
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: second round, we'll roll the dice on a high, high

1203
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: end talent like that with his upside. So I don't

1204
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 1: think there'd be a consensus, but yeah, would not shock

1205
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: me at all if we have see a team maybe

1206
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: draft him earlier than we think, if he's able to

1207
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: hit those marks this week in Indie, I would give

1208
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: anything to just see like ten different teams receiver boards.

1209
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what the differences look like. Yeah, well, and

1210
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: we've remember too because there's different types of receivers, different positions,

1211
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, X, y z H. Do you do different things?

1212
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: Team's value after the catch more soil than route. I mean,

1213
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: it's it's all over the place. So uh yeah, that's

1214
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: that's a great point. That is going to do it

1215
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: for one episode of the draft show amazing and we like,

1216
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: nothing's even happened yet, So if this is what we

1217
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: can do with nothing having happened, I'm excited for the

1218
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: rest of the week. Thrilled to be back with Dane Brugler.

1219
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Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much, great listening. We will be bill

1220
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: be back Wednesday and Thursday time TVD. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: We're doing what we can, but we appreciate it. For

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Speaker 1: Dan and Kyle, I'm Dave. We will see y'all next time.

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