WEBVTT - Active Shooter On Campus: Back To School Swatting 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Tuesday, August twenty sixth. It is back to school time. Parents.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of us have dropped our kids off at

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<v Speaker 1>college campuses across the country, and I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of high school students are already back in sessions. Some

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<v Speaker 1>folks are getting ready to But this is a time

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<v Speaker 1>of excitement. It's a time of joy, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of anxiety as we leave our kids hopefully in safe hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and a series of frightening events is taking place at

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<v Speaker 1>college campuses across this country, and it's happening repeatedly and

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<v Speaker 1>far too often. TJ. You and I both got phone

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<v Speaker 1>calls yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we read a lot of news, and we stay

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<v Speaker 2>up on a lot of news, and we've been informed

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<v Speaker 2>plenty over the past week, really about active shooter incidents

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<v Speaker 2>on several college campuses. We get those alerts from breaking

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<v Speaker 2>news emails. We get them from watching the news, we

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<v Speaker 2>get them from reading the news. We got these two

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<v Speaker 2>from family members because our family members are in very

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<v Speaker 2>close proximity to two college campuses where there were two

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<v Speaker 2>active shooter hoaxes, one my alma mater. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a family member enrolled, had niece and nephew in recent years,

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<v Speaker 2>but my sister lives in that area, my niece and

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<v Speaker 2>still lives up there. And of course at least a

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<v Speaker 2>sophomore now at the University of Colorado who was just

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<v Speaker 2>dropped off there officially by you last Thursday and Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>so we aren't talking. Onto three days after you left

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<v Speaker 2>her at Boulder, you get a message saying as an

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<v Speaker 2>active shooter on her campus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She started facetiming me and she was a little

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<v Speaker 1>out of breath, and I didn't actually answer the FaceTime.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the middle of something. I said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, figuring she just wanted to ask me

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<v Speaker 1>for money or something, and she said, this is serious, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>can you call me? And she was worried, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I sat there and prepared her. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I get nervous about the Idaho murders. I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>locking your doors and making sure that everyone's responsible about

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the house secure, and everyone understands how important security is.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I didn't expect to get that call.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point. Right. We talked about this last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and if folks of you all have been keeping up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know what to call it necessary

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<v Speaker 2>a necessarily, it's not a rash anymore. It seems like

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone beyond that. It's not quite an epidemic of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a trend. It is startling, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is scary as hell. But we talked about it last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday was the first one we heard of. All of

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<v Speaker 2>you all know Villanova, but Rose. We talked about it

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<v Speaker 2>on our podcast and episodes in our morning runs, the

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<v Speaker 2>news podcast that we do. We said, man, can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine how apparent a loved one would feel? Can you imagine, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's okay, but can you imagine you just dropped your

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<v Speaker 2>kid off and left, and then you look on the news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the parent's worst nightmare, whether they're in elementary school,

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<v Speaker 2>junior high, high school, college. We said, man, imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>that feels for those parents, And then on Monday, you

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<v Speaker 2>were the parent.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got chills because I remember that conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put myself in that position. I would say, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe this is even scarily that because we had

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<v Speaker 1>just been reporting on these hoaxes, I didn't get immediately alarmed,

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<v Speaker 1>but had there not been a string of these I

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<v Speaker 1>would have panicked immediately, and I should have regardless, because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what's a hoax and what's not. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe that's the most frightening thing about all

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<v Speaker 1>of this. You know, I didn't even know the term,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess I'm behind the times, but swatting, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually asked you swatting. What's swatting? You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>You'll remember, it wasn't college campuses that were initially targeted

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day when this first started, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think they charged and made examples out of some guys,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were sending it to people's homes, wasn't it

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<v Speaker 2>these jerks that were involved in like online gaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it started back in twenty ten, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>targeting celebrities, they were targeting politicians, and then as recently

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<v Speaker 1>as last year, do you remember the long string of

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<v Speaker 1>swatting incidents. One teenager was involved in historically black colleges

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<v Speaker 1>and going after certain specific types of campuses, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with making It was a dozens and dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of these hoax false alarms that people took seriously, because

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<v Speaker 1>of course you would, you have to these days. So swatting, technically,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the definition, it's the deliberate practice of making

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<v Speaker 1>a false report to police to summon law enforcement who

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<v Speaker 1>believe a mass shooting, a hostage situation, or a bombing

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<v Speaker 1>is taking place, therefore calling in the swat team. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're swatting your community.

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<v Speaker 2>They did this to it was it was gamers who

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<v Speaker 2>are actually online playing against each other. They get into

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of beef and one of them would call

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<v Speaker 2>and swat the other persons. And there was video of these,

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<v Speaker 2>like the guys would be in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>game and all of a sudden, the swat team is

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<v Speaker 2>busting in and they, yes, they made some arrests in

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<v Speaker 2>that case. So swatting necessarily folks, it's you've heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not necessarily new. But this string and this

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<v Speaker 2>this latest string of them happening on college campuses, and

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<v Speaker 2>you send a whole community running, tens of thousands of kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of all this roades, yesterday was the

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<v Speaker 2>first day of classes.

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<v Speaker 1>For a lot of no it's you know, it just

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<v Speaker 1>breaks my heart, and all of these calls that started

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday. We don't know if one person's involved, if

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<v Speaker 1>multiple people are involved, whoever is responsible for some or

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<v Speaker 1>all of these has not been caught yet, but these

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<v Speaker 1>calls all have eerily similar trademarks. It's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>they're following a script.

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<v Speaker 2>You no, I didn't think about that until you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>what if there is one person? It's cool for all

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<v Speaker 2>of these. It's not a copycat situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You think about that. They call in and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>male voice, that's what has been reported, and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that a male Sometimes they say a white male with

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<v Speaker 1>an AR fifteen style rifle shot x amount of people,

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<v Speaker 1>or is shooting people right now, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these they specifically reference the campus library, the school library.

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<v Speaker 1>So you again, it started on Thursday, Villanova active shooter

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<v Speaker 1>on campus, shots fired in the law school. That was

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday. Villanova then also had a second scare on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga had a call on

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday as well. More than one hundred officers responded because

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<v Speaker 1>they have to, because they have to assume the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>These were hours away. So this is what started, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Villanova and you tea Chatnua. Yes, the one of Villanova

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot more attention. Is a much bigger school,

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<v Speaker 2>more well known school, if you will, offish to the

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<v Speaker 2>folks at Chattanooga, but they that was new student orientation.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Running freshman orientation.

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<v Speaker 2>Parent there were a bunch of families on campus still,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is how you start your college experience. So

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<v Speaker 2>that got so much attention. Chattanooga didn't get as much.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they went through hell same day hours apart

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<v Speaker 2>these two incidents. So we all looked and thought, well, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm the idiot, all right, let's move on with

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<v Speaker 2>our day. And then Sunday happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then Sunday happens. The University of South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>two separate reports of an active shooter on campus. Both

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<v Speaker 1>were made by they believe police believe it was the

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<v Speaker 1>same person, the same male voice. They said it was

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<v Speaker 1>similar that included background noise and mimicked gunfire. So they

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<v Speaker 1>actually whoever this was up the ante and made it

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<v Speaker 1>feel and seem even more real. And look, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you're a you're a student on campus and you

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<v Speaker 1>get an alert on your phone that says, run, hide,

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<v Speaker 1>fight an active shooter. So there are reports of students

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<v Speaker 1>just it's heartbreaking, running, barricading themselves, locking themselves in bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>hiding under desks, running for their lives, sheltering in place, sobbing,

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<v Speaker 1>sending desperate texts and phone calls to their parents.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think you're gonna die, all real, You're

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<v Speaker 2>think you're gonna somebody's making a joke in a room somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody might actually be laughing at what they're doing. But literally,

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<v Speaker 2>people thinking they might die discus on the first day

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<v Speaker 2>of college, for God's sake.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, exactly, You're you're you're you're already nervous and anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>You're leaving your family for the first time, you're starting

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<v Speaker 1>off this whole new part of your life, you're adulting

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. And this the worst case scenario happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Thursday. We've had two. Sunday we had two.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Yesterday Monday, six more swatting calls University of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>This was significant, babe. They actually they actually took the

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<v Speaker 1>most dramatic response. They canceled classes at the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas on day By the way, yes, public schools also

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<v Speaker 1>locked down a car and they got multiple calls about

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<v Speaker 1>an active shooter once again at the library. But then

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<v Speaker 1>they got other calls that made them end up they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up having to search and go through room by room,

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<v Speaker 1>floor by floor of seven separate buildings on University of

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas campus in Faetteville.

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<v Speaker 2>I think about it, how you're how Analys called you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>she immediately reached out to you, said something was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and so what happens. Imagine the chaos. There are some

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<v Speaker 2>parents who wouldn't just talk through with the cop. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>hang up and call cops. Yes, and that is what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening at the University of Arkansas. There was such

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<v Speaker 2>chaos that even though there was no shooter, words starts

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<v Speaker 2>trickling around. Now somebody hears a door slam where they

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<v Speaker 2>see other people running, or it's this building, it's that building.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I saw something. All these calls start coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and it's chaos. So it takes them hours to

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<v Speaker 2>just say hey, everything's a okay. And then hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a joke. I hate using the word joke, but

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<v Speaker 2>somebody did this as a hoax, and that's what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>And to think we rose how many times we said it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something unique about a campus community, school community, high

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<v Speaker 2>school community. Yeah, it's all, but there's something unique about

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<v Speaker 2>a campus community because it sometimes they feel like they're

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<v Speaker 2>more a representation of a It's not just happening to

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<v Speaker 2>black folks or white folks, Hispanic folks. Of this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>a campus community is more of a whole than a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways I would argue in a community than

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<v Speaker 2>I think the country or a city or a state.

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<v Speaker 1>We keep going back. We're going back to the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas campus this fall, We're going back to Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, you keep coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Back and doing something like this. It shakes the hell

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<v Speaker 2>out of a campus community. And we have been to

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<v Speaker 2>enough campuses and school campuses after a shooting and see

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<v Speaker 2>what that does to people. And even though nobody got hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody got shot, they are shook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they are again. So I like, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>actually reading what was being sent out to students and

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<v Speaker 1>imagining how that must felt. So I said, South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>their text, Oh no, the University of Tennessee was run, Hide, fight.

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<v Speaker 1>The University of Arkansas sent out avoid, deny, defend. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, each campus has these instructions to students in

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<v Speaker 1>case they encounter the shooter or in case they're in

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<v Speaker 1>an unsafe place. Here's what you should do. Avoid, deny, defend.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what the University of Arkansas sent students on

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<v Speaker 1>the first day of school. You get that text. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more partial to run, hide, fight. You get the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>They started doing this years ago because they have to.

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<v Speaker 2>If you need to get a message out and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't say, hey, you need to stay away from the

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<v Speaker 2>library because some one's on we got a report about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to tell people. This is what you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>do right now. You need to run to get away

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<v Speaker 2>from danger. That is option one. Then they tell you, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not able to run, option two is hide.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not able to do that, your last resort

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<v Speaker 2>is to fight and defend your life. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>a unfortunately we have to use it, but that one works. Run, hide, fight.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what that means. Yeah, you don't need nothing

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<v Speaker 2>else needs to be explained in order that is.

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<v Speaker 1>What you should do. Iowa State University two false reports

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<v Speaker 1>of an active shooter at the library and then another

0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.240
<v Speaker 1>incident they claimed at the dormitory, one of the dormitories,

0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:23.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the residents halls. So that was at Iowa

0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.840
<v Speaker 1>State University on Monday. Kansas State University, they also had

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<v Speaker 1>a call of an active shooter at the campus library.

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<v Speaker 1>University of New Hampshire got a scary phone call, shots

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<v Speaker 1>fired campus library, so they know they're getting to call.

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<v Speaker 1>Shots have been fired. Northern Arizona University police were told

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<v Speaker 1>there was an active shooter again at the campus library.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the University of Colorado, Boulder, where I got

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<v Speaker 1>this call from Annalys. We were at dinner. It was

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<v Speaker 1>five pm in Boulder, Colorado, there were reports of an

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<v Speaker 1>active shooter at the campus library, which Annie and I

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<v Speaker 1>have been to multiple times the old The only reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I think I wasn't as panicked was because she

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<v Speaker 1>had already finished classes for the day and she was

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<v Speaker 1>back at her house, which is just shy of campus.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she is across the street from campus, but

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<v Speaker 1>I knew she wasn't in class. But her really good

0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.000
<v Speaker 1>friend Jenna was in class when it happened, and so

0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.319
<v Speaker 1>she told me. Jenna talked about the panic people running

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<v Speaker 1>from the classrooms, people literally hysterically trying to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of harm's way, and it just was so sad to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this beautiful campus thrown into such chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the same campus nearby not too long ago

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<v Speaker 2>that had an incident with the anti Semitic attack there.

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<v Speaker 2>So again you've been out. Bolder Boulder is as chill

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<v Speaker 2>as it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, town, rocky mountains, gorgeous scenery, this beautiful little college

0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.400
<v Speaker 1>campus with shops and restaurants. It is idyllic.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fear. This is trauma. But you just mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>something about how you were. You knew she wasn't on camp,

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<v Speaker 2>so you had a little relief, yes, And therein lies

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<v Speaker 2>the problem because part of your relief as well is

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<v Speaker 2>because you've been covering for the past several days that

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<v Speaker 2>there have been a number of hoaxes. Yes, that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of our mind, and that is the problem

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<v Speaker 2>because in two weeks, in three weeks, in a month

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<v Speaker 2>and six months, who knows when that there's a possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody for real is going to step onto a

0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.440
<v Speaker 2>campus and try to do harm and try to shoot

0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.520
<v Speaker 2>a place up, and that call is going to go

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<v Speaker 2>in to nine one one, and the students are going

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<v Speaker 2>to look at their phones and see it. You know

0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.000
<v Speaker 2>what they're gonna do is roll their eyes and they're

0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna even if they hesitate for half a step, that

0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.760
<v Speaker 2>could be life and death. That is what this is

0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.200
<v Speaker 2>doing the boy who Cried Wolf? What age were we

0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.040
<v Speaker 2>when we learned that man? And so now here we

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 2>go another one. Ah, that's another one. Ah, it's another one. Ah,

0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 2>it's another one. You talk about the hurricanes all the time.

0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Some people don't leave because, Ah, we've been through this before.

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<v Speaker 1>It misses us every time. What are the chances this

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<v Speaker 1>actually is going to hit, that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to possibly what we're seeing ropes cost somebody harm

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<v Speaker 2>or death because what's happening right now and somebody just

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<v Speaker 2>hesitates half a step when they need to be haul

0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and ass and this thing has messed us all up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is one serious consequence of all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also plenty of other financial consequences, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are other issues that involve life or death because of

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<v Speaker 1>these just egregious, horrific, and unfortunately now repeated hoaxes that

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<v Speaker 1>we are seeing across this country. Welcome back to this

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<v Speaker 1>edition of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>these series of very serious, very consequential hoaxes that are

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<v Speaker 1>plaguing college campuses across our country in the past few days.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been personal for TJ and me because it

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<v Speaker 1>has hit very close to home. People we love were scared.

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<v Speaker 1>People we loved were afraid, and frankly, we all should

0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.040
<v Speaker 1>be concerned because this technology that's out there for someone

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<v Speaker 1>or several people to pull off these elaborate hoaxes is

0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:23.120
<v Speaker 1>growing voice over Internet Protocol services, that's what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes these hoaxes more elaborate, and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>them so that the people who are committing these crimes

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<v Speaker 1>or the person very difficult to catch because it's these

0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.720
<v Speaker 1>false numbers that can just generate phone calls. You can

0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.880
<v Speaker 1>change the quality of your voice, you can add background noise.

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.000
<v Speaker 1>One of these callers into one of these universities, I

0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.280
<v Speaker 1>believe it was the University of Tennessee Chattanooga actually had

0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.160
<v Speaker 1>gun fire in the background to make it seem more real.

0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 1>The technology is getting better and that makes these hoaxes scarier.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I mean we talk about VoIP voice over

0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Internet protocol, but I mean a burner foam might be

0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.080
<v Speaker 2>simple as enough. And we're speaking on this and some

0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.200
<v Speaker 2>authorities have spoken on this particular thing, and so we're

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.960
<v Speaker 2>not revealing any secrets necessarily with this. But how do

0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you catch these folks? And I'm not sure what the

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<v Speaker 2>penalties are, but I think they are severe. They have

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<v Speaker 2>made them more severe over the years. Is it anything

0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.800
<v Speaker 2>other than you know what I thought about schudeur Sanders.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember that prank that somebody played during the Terrible

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<v Speaker 2>and it turned out to be the son of a

0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.240
<v Speaker 2>coach sitting in a room thinking he's doing no harm,

0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Thinking he's doing no harm. This is funny to me?

0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Is someone you could be? Is someone just an idiot

0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.040
<v Speaker 2>out there thinking this is funny? A couple kids in

0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:46.240
<v Speaker 2>a room thinking this is funny. It's possible, But how nefarious?

0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:51.639
<v Speaker 2>How troubled are the people making these calls? I don't

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.919
<v Speaker 2>know what to I was even debated in Robes. We

0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.040
<v Speaker 2>were debating should we even be doing this story.

0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.360
<v Speaker 1>We've had that conversation because look, as we covered in

0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the national media more and more of these school shootings,

0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the decision was ultimately made by the newsrooms we worked

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<v Speaker 1>in to one time, like the first day, acknowledge who

0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the shooter is, but never say his name again. And

0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that was to make sure that we didn't give anyone

0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:20.680
<v Speaker 1>else an idea to become famous or infamous, notorious by

0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>having their name live on because they are the shooter.

0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.440
<v Speaker 1>So we made a point not to give any glory

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.600
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, or attention to the people behind the shooting.

0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.840
<v Speaker 1>And we really did have that conversation like should we

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<v Speaker 1>be covering this because we know copycats exist and if

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<v Speaker 1>this is one person who keeps doing it over and

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.440
<v Speaker 1>over again or a small group of people, they're going

0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to be fueled by the fame. They're going to be

0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.200
<v Speaker 1>excited by the attention. Unfortunately, that is possibly and probably

0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.320
<v Speaker 1>what these people are looking for.

0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.000
<v Speaker 2>They get off on looking at the television and go wow,

0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, and that's just and that's scary because that means

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.879
<v Speaker 1>it's only going to get worse. And look, when we

0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about the damage done, yes, there is signal, magnificant

0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 1>emotional trauma done to anyone who is sitting in a

0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.000
<v Speaker 1>classroom and who has gone through these drills in high school.

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Because yes, unfortunately, our kids have lived through this era

0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.520
<v Speaker 1>where they have had to learn how to handle a

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.399
<v Speaker 1>potential mass shooting in a classroom setting. So they're on

0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.679
<v Speaker 1>edge already in a way that we never had to

0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.200
<v Speaker 1>be because they've been exposed to this. So now they're

0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 1>extra traumatized when the worst case scenario they think is

0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.880
<v Speaker 1>happening in real time. But even worse, You've got now

0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>think about this, hundreds of police officers, fire officials, emergency

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:41.920
<v Speaker 1>medical EMT teams, everyone rushing to one area. Heaven forbid,

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.920
<v Speaker 1>those resources are needed somewhere else. Someone has a heart attack,

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a horrific car accident, there's whatever trauma that happens

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.679
<v Speaker 1>on a daily basis, And some of these small communities

0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.879
<v Speaker 1>don't have emergency personnel to spare. Now they are diverted

0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to something that is non existent. Someone could die, who

0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.160
<v Speaker 1>act actually needs help because the resources they need are

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, trying to help out a situation that doesn't

0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:08.159
<v Speaker 1>even exist.

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you said they don't have resources to spare. That

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 2>includes money. All this costs the University of Arkansas Fayetteville,

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the response it takes. You're not just bringing in all

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.240
<v Speaker 2>the guys who are on duty at the time, but

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.879
<v Speaker 2>the time it takes, the overtime. All these things cost

0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.439
<v Speaker 2>money for these extra bodies. And I know it doesn't

0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>seem like much of a deal. Every time you see

0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.240
<v Speaker 2>a police officer show up, Yeah, he just shows up.

0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 2>You're a taxpayer. But this drains folks in certainly smaller communities. Yeah,

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Chattanooga you think they're a wash in dough for their

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:48.040
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement. Oh, this is horrific, tough, hope it stops.

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I was looking. I did a good look before we started.

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you did too, to make sure there wasn't

0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:53.600
<v Speaker 2>another one today.

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, I know, I mean fingers crossed. It hasn't happened yet,

0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.000
<v Speaker 1>but you think about how like I know you probably

0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 1>looked to two Bay. But the amount of incidents that

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.199
<v Speaker 1>are happening, it's escalating in a very disturbing way. So

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>estimated swatting incidents jumped from four hundred in twenty eleven.

0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that's when they first started seeing it, right

0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.160
<v Speaker 1>around two thousand. I think that maybe the first one

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 1>was in two thousand and eight, but they started to

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>see them en mass in twenty eleven. It jumped to

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 1>one thousand incidents in twenty nineteen, and then just last year,

0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.720
<v Speaker 1>from January twenty twenty three to January twenty twenty four,

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.159
<v Speaker 1>there were eight hundred incidents recorded at elementary, middle and

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:41.919
<v Speaker 1>high schools. So it's just it's rapidly increasing in a

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>significant way. And now this year we're seeing what we're seeing.

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Last year that California teenager admitted to making hundreds of

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>swatting calls targeting historically black colleges, high schools, FBI agents,

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 1>a Florida mosque. He admitted to doing it and was

0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 1>able to do it in a large quantity with one person.

0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>That's all. It took. One seventeen year old out of

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>California created all this havoc, made over one hundred phone

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>calls and scared the heck out of everybody. And I

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that is what, perhaps is a copycat

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>or what triggering this new round of swatting, But God,

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I hope they find out whoever did this, or whoever

0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>is responsible, or however many people are responsible.

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 2>They need to find them, make an example, throw the

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.120
<v Speaker 2>book at them, and then that's will discourage others from

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.480
<v Speaker 2>doing it in the future. And maybe that's all. Look, thankfully,

0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and I haven't seen Make sure you have either not

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.359
<v Speaker 2>a single injury necessarily involved, not yet in any of

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>these what somebody is could potentially get hurt just running away. Hell,

0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 2>a heart attack from somebody in a stressful situation. So

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 2>that hasn't happened yet, and that's a blessing. But hopefully

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>this is just a weird stretch of things that have happened,

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and again, we would we have done. I don't know

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 2>what are the chances. Right on the same day, within hours,

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 2>we are getting alerts from our loved ones who are

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>near these campuses saying, hey, guys, this is going on.

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 2>So it's tough. I remember this, and I cannot remember. Believe.

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's a twenty fifth anniversary University of Arkansas,

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fifth anniversary to almost the day of a

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>shooting on campus in which a student shot and killed

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a professor at Kemple Hall that you have been in

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 2>where the jursal lives in the department is. This is

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.639
<v Speaker 2>a campus. It happens every now and but this is

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 2>a campus that has been shaken by violence and death before.

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 2>And I always remember when it was because it was

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>a year after I graduated, so I know it was

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years ago August I think twenty ninth, two thousand.

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I know this off the top of my head. Wow,

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But it that I was off campus by a year

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.479
<v Speaker 2>I graduated. But I, as I'm sitting here looking at you,

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't think about it. I was shaken enough that I

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 2>know the date and I could probably walk you right

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>to the room where it happened, because I remember a

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 2>professor there in the journalist's apartment. It was a doctoral

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>student shot and killed him in his office on campus,

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>right there in the building you have been in. Yeah,

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>this stuff stays with you. And if that's not an

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>indication of it, does this stuck with me? And I

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:21.919
<v Speaker 2>didn't think about it.

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And you weren't even there when it happened.

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I graduated a year later.

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 1>But it was a building you knew, in a school

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you loved, on a campus that you call home.

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.640
<v Speaker 2>And that stuff just it doesn't go away. We were

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>on the campus of Virginia Tech. You'll never forget that one.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the worst still in this country's history.

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Universities have had shootings. The worst we've seen though at school,

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>elementary schools, high schools really in this country. So I

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<v Speaker 2>know we've seen Virginia Tech. But still something about us,

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<v Speaker 2>we're still kind of programmed to not necessarily it's a

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<v Speaker 2>one off, Right, Virginia Tech was what year, It.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a long time ago. It was that long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so long ago. But you remember, you've all

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<v Speaker 2>never forget ever, Right, Parkland, all these things at some

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>smaller school just when it's happening on a college campus,

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<v Speaker 2>we're paying attention in a different way. So yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is just it. We've been rattled, and we rattled now

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<v Speaker 2>and thankfully everybody's okay. It was just to think that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody might be having fun with this when that parent

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<v Speaker 2>like you, it's terrified, but it's fun to this somebody

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in a room laughing. When a parent like you

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<v Speaker 2>and so many others are freaked out that their kid's

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<v Speaker 2>life is in danger and somebody might be sitting around laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>With us, It's sickening. There's no other way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, we were personally touched by this yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to just talk it through with everyone and recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that while we obviously can view any of these news

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<v Speaker 1>reports within the perspective that there have been a series

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<v Speaker 1>of hoaxes, but also keeping our guards up and keeping

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<v Speaker 1>our our children alert and making sure that we have

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<v Speaker 1>at least communication like this is a chance for you

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to your kids, chance to talk to your

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<v Speaker 1>student about what if the worst case scenario happens, have

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<v Speaker 1>a plan, let them know what they should do. Have

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation just in case, not to scare them. But

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare them. And it's tough that we live in

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<v Speaker 1>these times, but we do, unfortunately, and we hope this

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<v Speaker 1>comes to an end, and we certainly hope they find

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<v Speaker 1>out who is responsible for these series of squatting hoax

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls because they have real consequences. Thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for listening to us today. I'm Amy Robach alongside my

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<v Speaker 1>partner TJ. Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,