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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. It

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday, August twenty sixth. It is back to school time. Parents.

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Speaker 1: A lot of us have dropped our kids off at

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Speaker 1: college campuses across the country, and I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of high school students are already back in sessions. Some

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Speaker 1: folks are getting ready to But this is a time

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Speaker 1: of excitement. It's a time of joy, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of anxiety as we leave our kids hopefully in safe hands,

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Speaker 1: and a series of frightening events is taking place at

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Speaker 1: college campuses across this country, and it's happening repeatedly and

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Speaker 1: far too often. TJ. You and I both got phone

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Speaker 1: calls yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we read a lot of news, and we stay

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Speaker 2: up on a lot of news, and we've been informed

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Speaker 2: plenty over the past week, really about active shooter incidents

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Speaker 2: on several college campuses. We get those alerts from breaking

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Speaker 2: news emails. We get them from watching the news, we

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Speaker 2: get them from reading the news. We got these two

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Speaker 2: from family members because our family members are in very

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Speaker 2: close proximity to two college campuses where there were two

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Speaker 2: active shooter hoaxes, one my alma mater. I don't have

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Speaker 2: a family member enrolled, had niece and nephew in recent years,

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Speaker 2: but my sister lives in that area, my niece and

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Speaker 2: still lives up there. And of course at least a

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Speaker 2: sophomore now at the University of Colorado who was just

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Speaker 2: dropped off there officially by you last Thursday and Friday,

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Speaker 2: so we aren't talking. Onto three days after you left

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Speaker 2: her at Boulder, you get a message saying as an

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Speaker 2: active shooter on her campus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She started facetiming me and she was a little

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Speaker 1: out of breath, and I didn't actually answer the FaceTime.

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Speaker 1: I was in the middle of something. I said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on, figuring she just wanted to ask me

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Speaker 1: for money or something, and she said, this is serious, mom,

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Speaker 1: can you call me? And she was worried, and I

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Speaker 1: get it. I sat there and prepared her. You know,

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Speaker 1: I get nervous about the Idaho murders. I talk about

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Speaker 1: locking your doors and making sure that everyone's responsible about

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Speaker 1: keeping the house secure, and everyone understands how important security is.

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Speaker 1: I have to admit I didn't expect to get that call.

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Speaker 2: At this point. Right. We talked about this last week,

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Speaker 2: and if folks of you all have been keeping up,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what to call it necessary

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Speaker 2: a necessarily, it's not a rash anymore. It seems like

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Speaker 2: it's gone beyond that. It's not quite an epidemic of it,

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Speaker 2: but it is a trend. It is startling, and it

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Speaker 2: is scary as hell. But we talked about it last week.

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Speaker 2: Thursday was the first one we heard of. All of

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Speaker 2: you all know Villanova, but Rose. We talked about it

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Speaker 2: on our podcast and episodes in our morning runs, the

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Speaker 2: news podcast that we do. We said, man, can you

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Speaker 2: imagine how apparent a loved one would feel? Can you imagine, yes,

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Speaker 2: everything's okay, but can you imagine you just dropped your

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Speaker 2: kid off and left, and then you look on the news.

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Speaker 2: It's the parent's worst nightmare, whether they're in elementary school,

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Speaker 2: junior high, high school, college. We said, man, imagine how

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Speaker 2: that feels for those parents, And then on Monday, you

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Speaker 2: were the parent.

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Speaker 1: I just got chills because I remember that conversation and

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Speaker 1: trying to put myself in that position. I would say, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: but maybe this is even scarily that because we had

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Speaker 1: just been reporting on these hoaxes, I didn't get immediately alarmed,

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Speaker 1: but had there not been a string of these I

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Speaker 1: would have panicked immediately, and I should have regardless, because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what's a hoax and what's not. And

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Speaker 1: I think maybe that's the most frightening thing about all

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Speaker 1: of this. You know, I didn't even know the term,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I'm behind the times, but swatting, I

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Speaker 1: actually asked you swatting. What's swatting? You know what?

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Speaker 2: You'll remember, it wasn't college campuses that were initially targeted

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Speaker 2: back in the day when this first started, and I

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Speaker 2: think they charged and made examples out of some guys,

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Speaker 2: but they were sending it to people's homes, wasn't it

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Speaker 2: these jerks that were involved in like online gaming.

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Speaker 1: Look, it started back in twenty ten, and they were

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Speaker 1: targeting celebrities, they were targeting politicians, and then as recently

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Speaker 1: as last year, do you remember the long string of

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Speaker 1: swatting incidents. One teenager was involved in historically black colleges

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Speaker 1: of course you would, you have to these days. So swatting, technically,

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Speaker 1: this is the definition, it's the deliberate practice of making

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Speaker 1: you're swatting your community.

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Speaker 2: They did this to it was it was gamers who

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Speaker 2: that case. So swatting necessarily folks, it's you've heard of.

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Speaker 2: It is not necessarily new. But this string and this

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Speaker 2: you send a whole community running, tens of thousands of kids.

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Speaker 2: And on top of all this roades, yesterday was the

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Speaker 2: first day of classes.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of no it's you know, it just

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Speaker 1: breaks my heart, and all of these calls that started

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Speaker 1: multiple people are involved, whoever is responsible for some or

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Speaker 1: all of these has not been caught yet, but these

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Speaker 1: calls all have eerily similar trademarks. It's almost as if

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Speaker 1: they're following a script.

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Speaker 2: You no, I didn't think about that until you just said,

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Speaker 2: what if there is one person? It's cool for all

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Speaker 2: of these. It's not a copycat situation.

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Speaker 1: You think about that. They call in and it's a

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Speaker 1: male voice, that's what has been reported, and they say

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Speaker 1: or is shooting people right now, And a lot of

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Speaker 1: these they specifically reference the campus library, the school library.

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Speaker 1: So you again, it started on Thursday, Villanova active shooter

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Villanova then also had a second scare on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga had a call on

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Speaker 1: Thursday as well. More than one hundred officers responded because

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Speaker 2: These were hours away. So this is what started, all right,

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Speaker 2: Villanova and you tea Chatnua. Yes, the one of Villanova

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Speaker 2: folks at Chattanooga, but they that was new student orientation.

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Speaker 2: Parent there were a bunch of families on campus still,

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Speaker 2: that got so much attention. Chattanooga didn't get as much.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they went through hell same day hours apart

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Speaker 2: these two incidents. So we all looked and thought, well, hell,

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Speaker 2: so I'm the idiot, all right, let's move on with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Sunday happens. The University of South Carolina

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Speaker 1: two separate reports of an active shooter on campus. Both

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Speaker 1: same person, the same male voice. They said it was

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Speaker 1: similar that included background noise and mimicked gunfire. So they

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Speaker 1: actually whoever this was up the ante and made it

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Speaker 1: imagine you're a you're a student on campus and you

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Speaker 1: just it's heartbreaking, running, barricading themselves, locking themselves in bathrooms,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you think you're gonna die, all real, You're

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Speaker 2: think you're gonna somebody's making a joke in a room somewhere,

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Speaker 2: somebody might actually be laughing at what they're doing. But literally,

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Speaker 2: people thinking they might die discus on the first day

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Speaker 2: of college, for God's sake.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, You're you're you're you're already nervous and anxious.

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Speaker 1: So that's Thursday. We've had two. Sunday we had two.

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Speaker 1: Then Yesterday Monday, six more swatting calls University of Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: This was significant, babe. They actually they actually took the

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Speaker 1: most dramatic response. They canceled classes at the University of

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Speaker 1: an active shooter once again at the library. But then

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Speaker 2: I think about it, how you're how Analys called you, right,

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Speaker 2: she immediately reached out to you, said something was going on,

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Speaker 2: and so what happens. Imagine the chaos. There are some

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Speaker 2: hang up and call cops. Yes, and that is what

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Speaker 2: somebody did this as a hoax, and that's what that means.

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Speaker 2: And to think we rose how many times we said it.

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Speaker 2: There's something unique about a campus community, school community, high

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Speaker 2: school community. Yeah, it's all, but there's something unique about

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Speaker 2: black folks or white folks, Hispanic folks. Of this, like,

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Speaker 2: lot of ways I would argue in a community than

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Speaker 2: I think the country or a city or a state.

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Speaker 1: We keep going back. We're going back to the University

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Speaker 1: of Arkansas campus this fall, We're going back to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you keep coming.

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Speaker 2: Back and doing something like this. It shakes the hell

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Speaker 2: nobody got shot, they are shook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they are again. So I like, I was just

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Speaker 1: actually reading what was being sent out to students and

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Speaker 1: imagining how that must felt. So I said, South Carolina

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Speaker 1: their text, Oh no, the University of Tennessee was run, Hide, fight.

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Speaker 1: The University of Arkansas sent out avoid, deny, defend. So

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Speaker 1: you know, each campus has these instructions to students in

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Speaker 1: case they encounter the shooter or in case they're in

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Speaker 1: an unsafe place. Here's what you should do. Avoid, deny, defend.

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Speaker 1: That is what the University of Arkansas sent students on

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Speaker 1: the first day of school. You get that text. I

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Speaker 2: I'm more partial to run, hide, fight. You get the idea.

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Speaker 2: They started doing this years ago because they have to.

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Speaker 2: If you need to get a message out and you

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Speaker 2: twenty five years ago August I think twenty ninth, two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I know this off the top of my head. Wow,

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Speaker 2: But it that I was off campus by a year

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Speaker 2: I graduated. But I, as I'm sitting here looking at you,

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Speaker 2: didn't think about it. I was shaken enough that I

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Speaker 2: know the date and I could probably walk you right

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Speaker 2: to the room where it happened, because I remember a

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Speaker 2: professor there in the journalist's apartment. It was a doctoral

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Speaker 2: student shot and killed him in his office on campus,

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Speaker 2: right there in the building you have been in. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this stuff stays with you. And if that's not an

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Speaker 2: indication of it, does this stuck with me? And I

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Speaker 2: didn't think about it.

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Speaker 1: And you weren't even there when it happened.

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Speaker 2: No, I graduated a year later.

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Speaker 1: But it was a building you knew, in a school

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Speaker 1: you loved, on a campus that you call home.

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Speaker 2: And that stuff just it doesn't go away. We were

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Speaker 2: on the campus of Virginia Tech. You'll never forget that one.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the worst still in this country's history.

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Speaker 2: Universities have had shootings. The worst we've seen though at school,

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Speaker 2: elementary schools, high schools really in this country. So I

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Speaker 2: know we've seen Virginia Tech. But still something about us,

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Speaker 2: we're still kind of programmed to not necessarily it's a

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Speaker 2: one off, Right, Virginia Tech was what year, It.

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Speaker 1: Was a long time ago. It was that long ago.

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Speaker 2: It was so long ago. But you remember, you've all

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Speaker 2: never forget ever, Right, Parkland, all these things at some

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Speaker 2: smaller school just when it's happening on a college campus,

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Speaker 2: we're paying attention in a different way. So yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is just it. We've been rattled, and we rattled now

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Speaker 2: and thankfully everybody's okay. It was just to think that

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Speaker 2: somebody might be having fun with this when that parent

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Speaker 2: like you, it's terrified, but it's fun to this somebody

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Speaker 2: sitting in a room laughing. When a parent like you

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Speaker 2: and so many others are freaked out that their kid's

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Speaker 2: life is in danger and somebody might be sitting around laughing.

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Speaker 1: With us, It's sickening. There's no other way to put it.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we were personally touched by this yesterday and

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Speaker 1: wanted to just talk it through with everyone and recognize

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Speaker 1: that while we obviously can view any of these news

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Speaker 1: reports within the perspective that there have been a series

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Speaker 1: of hoaxes, but also keeping our guards up and keeping

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Speaker 1: our our children alert and making sure that we have

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Speaker 1: at least communication like this is a chance for you

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Speaker 1: to talk to your kids, chance to talk to your

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Speaker 1: student about what if the worst case scenario happens, have

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Speaker 1: a plan, let them know what they should do. Have

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Speaker 1: that conversation just in case, not to scare them. But

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Speaker 1: to prepare them. And it's tough that we live in

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Speaker 1: these times, but we do, unfortunately, and we hope this

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Speaker 1: comes to an end, and we certainly hope they find

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Speaker 1: out who is responsible for these series of squatting hoax

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Speaker 1: phone calls because they have real consequences. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: for listening to us today. I'm Amy Robach alongside my

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Speaker 1: partner TJ. Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,