WEBVTT - Directed Hit with Eric Stoltz 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.559 And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.000 Welcome to and that's where you really miss podcasts. We 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:19.080 have an extra very extra very extra very special Guess. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.720 Wow, that was the most special intro thus far, and 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:27.240 I think deserved well. It is the one and only 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:34.800 Eric Stoltz actor and director extraordinaire. He directed twelve episodes 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.800 of Glee. By the end of it so much. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:44.000 So many episodes? Was that the most anybody directed? Maybe 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.560 maybe fat Track, I don't know, but close close. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.240 Yeah, he's up there for sure, and like we fought 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.519 for him to keep coming back, not that we had to, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.520 but like we'd let it be known that we loved him. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.720 Yeah, anytime Ryan came around, we'd be like, we love 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.720 Eericiodes and he would kind of be like, why do 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.720 you love so much? And not that I think he 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.880 was like had disdain over it, but I think he 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.880 was just genuinely curious because, like you said, we never 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:14.199 did that and the people heard because he was there. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.679 He was there for that whole journey and we are 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.279 better for it. So here, Eric stalts. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:24.880 Yeah, she's in a suit? 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:31.160 What my friends? Wow? 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.160 Oh god, I haven't. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.600 Seen you in over a decade. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.959 My eyes are watering. I have to say. No one 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:44.119 has made me feel this way. We talk about how 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.480 much we love you, and here it is. It's happening 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.320 right now. I have goosebumps. I'm sweating. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.520 Oh it's good to see you. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.600 It's so good to see you, guys. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:59.840 Oh my god, oh my god, so much to catch up. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.880 Thank you so much. I know you're busy. Thank you 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.000 so much for one just like stopping by to chat 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:06.560 a little bit. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.320 First of all, who's busy? There's a strike going well, 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:11.920 I don't. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.160 Know you know the world everybody else I see. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.560 Yeah, I assume you're busy. You should be busy. I 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.560 want you to be directing and acting and everything always. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.960 So you're very kind. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.600 I did watch I did watch all of your directing 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.400 in Madame Sack, which we absolutely love, love love. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:30.440 So oh I'm so glad. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.720 No, it's wonderful. I always we even started rewatching it. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.799 Wow, it's a lot of watching. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:39.920 It is a lot of watching, but it's really great. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.640 It's really good TV. I think, thank you. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:48.880 I rewatched the first two seasons of Glee in preparation 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.280 with this. I had to stop. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.160 What that's a lot of Yeah. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.200 Well I hadn't seen the show. I mean, I you know, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.520 when Corey died, I couldn't. Yeah, I just couldn't. And 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.680 it's been ten years, and I have so many, so 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.880 many fond memories of it that I wanted to I 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.239 wanted to catch up with it as much as is Well, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.000 I could not do all the ones that I directed 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.040 because there were just too many. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.240 And he's like, do I need to watch all twelve episodes? 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:19.880 You no know? 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:27.680 No, no, so many episodes. Well, it's really good to 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:28.200 see you. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.280 Good to see you guys all grown up and beautiful. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:32.600 It's so nice to see. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.800 Oh. Thanks, we're trying trying. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:40.760 Yeah, we're four adults. We were still assholes like when 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:41.280 you met us. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.040 But that's just not true. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.760 Well, we have the wonderful Eric Stilts. Let's talk about 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.480 all the good things and all the good memories. We 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.120 talked about you a lot on this podcast because we 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.600 have so many fond memories. He became one of our 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.680 favorite directors, if not our favorite director, for many many reasons. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.680 But you started as an actor, and I'm just interested. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.960 I don't think we ever. I don't know if there 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.560 was time to ever know when you transition from actor 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.920 to director or what made you get into directing, and 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.360 because obviously you are an actor's director, and that's why 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.279 we loved you so much. So I'm just curious about 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.320 that transition before we get into the Glee stuff. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.520 Gosh, I got into it in a very roundabout way. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.960 I was annoyed at how I was being treated as 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:35.159 an actor by people whose job it was to treat 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:44.200 me that way. It was sort of spawning. And people 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:49.200 are hired to serve you in every way when you're 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.960 doing a big film anyway, certainly not an independent film, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.400 and bringing your clothes and bringing your food and wake 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.560 you up and take you home and treat you as 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.599 though you are not quite a human. And I began 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.560 to bristle with that. So I thought, I love I 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.400 love the business, and I love what I do. Maybe 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:13.520 there's something else that would intrigue me. So a friend 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.240 of mine, Cameron Crow, was making his very first film, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:21.359 Say Anything Wow. And I had introduced him to my 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.400 favorite ad Jerry Zizmer, who did Apocalypse Now, among other things, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.760 in a podcast. Now he's the one who said with 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:34.359 extreme prejudice, and so Cameron hired Jerry, and he also 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.479 hired Laslo Kovacs, who I'd worked with on Mask. So 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.400 I realized this, and Polly Platt was the producer who's 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.240 the genius. And I realized, all these people that I 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.800 loved are making this film. So I asked Cameron if 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.800 I could be a PA on it Wow, and he 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.120 said sure, sure, man. So I was a PA, and 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.240 I also played a small part and say anything, but 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.120 I was a PA. And I found that I really 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.080 enjoyed being on the other side of the camera, and 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.479 I really enjoyed not caring how I looked, and I 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.279 really enjoyed watching how the actors interact. I mean, Cameron 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:14.440 is fantastic with actors. He's he's touched by genius. And 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.680 it was a real education. So I paid on a 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.520 couple more films, and then I started producing some independent 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.520 films and then on What I had one experience for 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.280 the director, the director pitched a fit. I'm looking around 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.160 as if he's in the room with it. Heed me 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.640 walk off the set and he insulted the crew. And 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.000 I was producing it. I thought, we can't we can't 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.600 lose this day. We're losing the light, We're losing the money. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.520 So I stepped in and I said, Okay, here's what 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.880 we're gonna do. We're gonna put the camera over here, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.320 We're gonna come over here, and I talked to the 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:46.919 actors and at the end of the day, I thought, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.800 I really like that, and it never really occurred to 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.839 me before. So then I started doing some short films 0:06:54.920 --> 0:07:00.359 and some television, and then I just started direct I 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.279 started bartering my acting for directing fair enough, which you know, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:05.520 you gotta do what you gotta do. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.040 You're good at both, which is crazy. You know, it's 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.800 hard to be good at one of them, and you 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:16.080 just happened to be very good at both things. Makes 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.200 a lot of sense though, Like people can hear you 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.720 talk like you're so nice, you're thoughtful, you really care 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.000 about and that's you know, our experience with you too, 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.240 is like the care you take in each conversation, each 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.280 set up with the crew, actors, whoever it is. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:35.080 All the extras loved you the most because you gave 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.680 them direction, you gave them intention, you gave them action 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.000 like that. I think they were startled when a director 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.040 was talking to them, because that doesn't happen very often 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.880 on set at least the ones that I've been on, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.920 and so I thought I was watching the episode. I 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.760 think it was Duets, and I was watching it recently, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.680 and I was like, there are so many kids in 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.400 this hallway. This looks like high school. And I was like, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.920 Eric directed this, yes, and some. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:05.080 Of them are kissing. Yes. Yeah. I maybe doing Harry 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.120 Kiss a lot. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.200 A lot. It was in the world Blame It on. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.320 The alcohol, You guys were. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.400 Just so many memories of you being like, Okay, you're 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:14.920 gonna kiss. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.960 I watched Blame It on the Alcohol before this, and 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.520 I was like, Heather and I are making out the 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.000 entirety of the song. I was like, Eric starts at 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:23.360 it again. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.080 I know my strength would have a field day with that. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.000 But it was fun. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:30.960 It was a lot of fun. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.520 I couldn't complain so much fun with you guys. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:38.040 When you came into the show. Did you feel prepared 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.760 for a musical TV show? 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:50.520 I did. I mean, I mean I did, because I 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.920 grew up doing musical I felt like, you know, I 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.400 listened to your podcast and I have to agree that 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.760 I Ryan with Ryan. I felt like I was part 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.200 of every one of you guys, like I was that 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:08.440 part of Ardi part of Dina and that part of Cory, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.080 and I felt like I was a theater kid who 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:13.920 was also in the orchestra of the band, of the 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.559 jazz band. I did all the musicals. I think by 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.520 the time I got to college, I'd done forty two 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.800 plays and musicals, and some of them with Dante di Loretto. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.680 No way, what that's right. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.080 I grew up with Dante in Santa Barbara, California. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.200 I don't think I knew that. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.559 I don't know if I knew that either. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.959 Oh wow, okay, okay, it's. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.400 True, although although I don't believe Dante is the one 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.160 that it brought me. Oh No, Dante did bring me 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:48.080 to Glee. But I had met Ryan through I was 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.319 in Shondaland. I was doing Gray's Anatomy's and Private Practice, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.319 and there was a fantastic nurse on it named Linda Kleine. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.959 Yes, Harry just talked about her. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.000 Oh my god, just the biggest hoot in the world. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.720 And I'd come in and say, good morning, how are you? Said, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.200 I was on Booth Weekend with Ryan Murphy. You gotta 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.320 meet him. You're gonna love this guy. He's doing niptok 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.360 And I said oh great, okay, yeah, I meet him 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.040 and Linda set up a meeting no with Ryan, we. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.599 Have to I guess she keeps getting mentioned. She's fantastic. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.319 Had a meeting with Ryan. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.320 I had to meet with Ryan, and I remember they 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.079 walked me in to a large conference room with large chamber, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.520 and I was sitting at one end, and then Ryan 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.560 came in and sat at the other end, and she 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.880 had looked at me for a while because I think 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.640 he likes, you know, making people a little uncomfortable, which 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:45.320 is fun. And then he kind of went, so, what's 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:51.920 your favorite movie? And I immediately like thought, I think, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.040 I asked him it from the forties, fifties, sixties, and 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.760 seventies foreign American. I am, I have these lists in 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.120 my head of films that I love and Ryan said, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.440 minds Network and I said, oh, damn it because Network 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.439 was one of my favorite movies too. But I can't 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.959 say it after because then you seem like a sycophantic, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.560 you know, right. So, but the meeting went well and 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.920 he hired me on Nip Tuk, which was difficult show. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.760 It was in the the last few years of the show. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.880 But I had a decent time and I met Chris Sioffa, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.640 who went on to be the DP at Glee and 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.640 I'll never forget. I was setting up a shot on 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.400 Nip Tuck and said, I want the camera to sort 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.800 of drift behind and around on this line, and the 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.200 crew sort of looked at and Chris came out of me. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.840 Said why, it's a very good impression. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.400 And I said, well, because this is a shift, a 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.280 dramatic shift in the scene. This is the point where 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.680 it becomes a little more intimate, and I want the 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.480 camera to sort of move and help. Finally goes oh okay, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.760 And later on I told that story he said, yeah, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.680 I was kind of a dick, and I no, no, no, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.440 I totally understand it, because when you come on as 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.000 a guest director, you are literally coming into someone's home 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.240 having dinner with them, and you can't be saying I 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.880 don't like this food, bring me something else. You have 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.520 to sort of say, what have you to offer and 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.480 how can I help? So I met a lot of 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.760 the crew from Glee on that, and I came onto 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:22.160 your show. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.240 We've had a lot of actors on here, and actors 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.360 who weren't necessarily regulars but were there a lot and 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.960 the difficulty of when you're stepping in to do a 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.680 scene here, a scene there, how hard that is and 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.599 sort of sounds like when you're coming in to be 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.200 a guest director, where it's like, yeah, I can't come 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.600 into the kitchen and tell you how to cook this. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.199 What are sort of the places where you can, though, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.680 you know, scoot your elbows out and have little freedom 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.000 to because you every director that came in had a 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.160 different technique, had a different style, and you threw in 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.000 shots and you even like threw in some little story 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.400 moments that weren't even in the script and you managed 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.960 to get them in there and they were great. How 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.120 how do you go about sort of finessing that and 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.160 doing that when you are especially if it's your first 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.240 or second episode, right. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:33.080 Well, what a good question, that's it. I always found 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:39.040 the best way to work was to and and Glee 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:44.320 was kind of wide open. That way is to do 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.839 it as written and make sure we got it as written, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.000 and then come to you and say, hey, why don't 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.760 you try this, or is there something you want to 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.880 try or wouldn't it be fun if and then shoot 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.120 that as well. And then I would watch all the dailies. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.120 I would like forty four hours watching dailies and I 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.079 go through to Kevin sneezed don tape free. I love 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.000 that and I give it. I remember I would send 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.959 I think the first episode I sent my editor in 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.800 post production thirty nine pages of notes on which takes 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.960 I thought had the best performances. And it probably wasn't 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.200 the Yeah they hate you or do it a gracious way. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.800 I don't think they knew what to make of me, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.320 and I I probably should not have done that, and 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.040 I later apologized to them because it's it is a 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.320 little rude, but I was so passionate about what you 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:46.000 guys were doing and what was what was coming out 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.880 in the story and the music, and it all came 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.880 from a good place. It wasn't you know, I'm the 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.560 director and I know what's best. It was wouldn't it 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:55.160 be great? 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.680 Right? 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.480 You did? I mean, because having been a fan of 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.800 your acting work for forever and also the first time 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.880 my family ever was impressed of like who I was 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.160 working with. My brothers was like you working with Eric Stoltz. Yeah, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:11.600 I was like, this is the first time you showed 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:17.640 any interest in gleaning and so coming onto a set 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.280 knowing that you're working with an actor is very intimidating, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.480 especially one that you respect as much as like we 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:28.040 all respect you, and you could it was that thing 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.400 that you just described where we'd get to the last 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:35.280 take and you'd be like, we got it already, we're done. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.120 Do now whatever you want, or you would like throw 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.960 in a word or two. And for some reason, that 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:51.560 ability to or that permission was so liberating, and we 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.760 didn't know that was an option. Wait, we can do 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:02.120 this trying yes, And really, for somehow, you know, got 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.400 rid of all of that intimidation because you just wanted 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.600 to allow us to play, allow everyone to just play. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.960 And we trusted you because you spoke to us differently, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.920 and the way you ran a set was different and 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.400 also intimidating, which we should talk about because it was great, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.880 but it challenged us in all these wonderful ways. And actually, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.000 let's talk about that. You had some rules no sides 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:28.720 on set. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.760 Well, Eric showed up in a suit and we were like, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:31.560 who's this guy? 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.360 Because Eric was there before, not in a suit, when 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.960 we were not shooting, and then we shoot and he's 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.080 in it. Yeah, it's been great. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.160 He's serious, but then our first day on set. I 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.320 remember no sides on set and we're like, who's this guy? 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.280 Who is this? 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:49.680 Who is this guy? 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:50.280 No? 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.360 And it was it was driving because as all the 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.840 other directors that had come in, everybody had some caliber 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:03.040 directorial work. Who they know how to approach a TV 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.480 show that has been on for at least a season 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.280 or two. Now that you're coming into somebody's health house, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.760 but also getting things done with confidence and with you know, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.080 making your days most of the time. But you it 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.840 was like, who's made this guy making all these rules 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:20.600 and who does he. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:21.120 Think he is? 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.080 But it was really exciting because it was new for us. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.280 It kind of like we were slumped in our chairs 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.280 and it like made us sit up in our chairs 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.600 a little bit. And that was exciting to me because 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.840 it was like somebody who actually cares somebody totally different. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:41.160 There's this absolutely different strategy going on and everybody's eyes 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.640 are wide open, and it was really exciting. Talked us about, Yeah, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:51.479 tell me about like when that rule came in place. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.040 Well, I don't know if you remember, but I was 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.200 sort of hanging around your set for a couple episodes 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:04.680 before we started do as because I wanted to get 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:05.960 the lay of the land. I wanted to sort of 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.320 see how the crew worked with you, how you worked 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.080 with the crew, And I introduced myself to each of you, saying, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.679 I am your next director. How do you like to work, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.720 do you like to rehearse? Do you like to shoot 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.480 the rehearsal? What is missing? Or what would you like 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.160 or what did you feel your character needs that hasn't 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.880 been given to you, that kind of stuff, And so 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.200 I and I realized you were having a blast on 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.120 that show, and I thought, I'm gonna have fun too. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.320 But I also I've always felt like unless you know 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:43.000 the lines, you can't really go off of them, you 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.919 can't really expand you can't really bring yourself to it 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.639 because you're struggling to figure out what the lines are, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.080 as opposed to I know what my lines are, and 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.400 I know what my intention is, and I have feelings 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.960 about this and that it's kind of freeing. So I 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.240 thought i'd try, and I remember I did that, and 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:07.360 literally within an hour, Dante came down from the from 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.240 the his offices, which I found out later didn't happen 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.800 that often, and he pulled me aside, said, what are 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.480 you doing. I said, what do you mean? He said, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.159 you take away their sides. What are you doing? And 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.200 I said, yeah, I did. I think it's I think 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.760 it'll be good. I think it'll be good for the show. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.040 And he says, are you sure, because you know some 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.720 people are pissed off about it? And I said, just 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.560 give me a day or two and and we'll see. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.320 But uh, and there were some you guys, some of 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:36.800 you guys are a little grumpy about it. And I 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.440 understand because you know, you get you find your ways 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.280 to work and it's comfortable for you. But I do 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.440 think that it paid off because then when we got 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.080 to episodes like Blame It on the Alcohol, which were 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:56.679 just chaos and just you know, the improvisational, wacky, you 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.919 know stuff, you were able to come to play. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.520 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.880 So was this the first time you've ever done that 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:07.520 on a show? 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.320 Well? No, no, no, I had done it. I had 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:16.560 done a TV movie with mainly kids, I mean Katerina 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.119 SCARSONI I think it's nineteen and Alison mac And I said, 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.760 you know, no signs on set MM, because you know 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.000 you have limited time. I want you guys to come 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.440 ready to do your best, and I think it's hard 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.960 to do your best when you're sort. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.399 Of you know, yeah, fair you laid the land for 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.600 us though. For sure in terms of. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.399 The ripples that's sent through base camp, we got that 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.359 note we're in hair and makeup. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.360 Yeah, I think nay I came up to me and say, Stills, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.639 what the hell is this? Like, she's like right in 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.440 my face. Also try it. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.560 She doesn't need signe. That's the problem that she photogram. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.960 So I don't know what she's all upset about now. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.679 But you you made our days. You shot, you know, 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:12.199 your takes were shoot the rehearsal to three takes. We 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.200 got it move on And that was new for us too. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.440 A lot of the time we were doing five, six, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.560 seven takes of each, you know, a setup and and 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.919 so there was something like refreshing about it. And you 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.320 came prepared and all your notes and your binder and 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.399 everything was printed out, and we always felt like he 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.440 cared so much. So it raised the bar for us 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.919 because number one, we really had to know our lines. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:45.000 Number two, number two, we you were giving everything so 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:51.400 much focus that when we came onto set, it made 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.200 us kind of like strap up our boots a little 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.880 bit and get to work, which in a fun way though, 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.200 like we still had a lot of fun. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.639 So we oh, you know, I do remember the first 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:08.560 couple of days, and particularly I remember Leah and Corey. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:17.160 Were a little mistrustful and stand offish, and it made 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.280 me think, you know, I don't know. Well, no, I 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.040 figured it out. I mean, you guys had been through, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:27.320 like we made a pilot. We're usually famous. Everybody wants 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.920 something from us, yes, And I remember I was giving 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.159 a direction like if you're the camera, I was talking 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:37.480 to Corey, I'm Corey, and Corey was given the line like, hey, 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.960 doing this, and I said, it's really Notice the intention 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.000 is great, but when you go like this and the 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.239 camera's here, I can't use it. If you limit your 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.000 range of motion to just this, then I see both 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.000 eyes and I'm more likely to use the reaction. And 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.840 they said, oh okay, And then they would try it 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.520 and they'd say, yeah, that kind of makes sense. So 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:02.119 they realized I wasn't just trying to con troll their performance, 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.200 you know, but yeah, enhance them. 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:07.560 I mean that was sort of the beauty, though, of 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.320 your communication, is that you would communicate those things to 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:15.520 us that had never been communicated to us. 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.960 See that's the thing that the thing like, don't tell 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.159 the actors the truth. Yeah, don't don't let the actors 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.440 make a decision other than lunch, you know, bring them 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:32.080 what they want, infantalize the actors. And I found that, Uh, 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.800 it didn't sit well with me as an actor. So 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:37.439 I always thought, we want to direct, and I'll just 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.879 tell you the truth, right, here's what we need. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:42.680 And must must want that. 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.720 Yeah, it goes a long way because I remember too, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.359 like explaining to people, you know, like at the time 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.000 Lindsay Lohan was having a rough go of it publicly, right, 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.720 You had to understand when you're on a set, you 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.239 are catered to in every possible way. When we're doing 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.640 a musical number, there are multi people dabbing off our 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.560 brow from any sweat, we have fans, we have people 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:10.280 bringing a site like you know, we have full teams 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.240 like we don't. We're basically getting lifted and carried onto 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.800 the set. And so when you get taken away from that, 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.600 it's you can see how it could be hard for 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:24.760 people to adjust to not being in that yeah, all 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:28.760 the time. And when you do have somebody on set, 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.159 who is in charge, Like a director being honest with you, 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.400 It goes a very long way because that's all you want. 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:36.639 It's like, yeah, just tell me we need to do 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:37.280 I'm going to do it. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.359 Yeah, that's most people. Most people just want to hear 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.840 the truth, not and you can all I remember when 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.119 I was acting, you can just always tell when a 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.560 director is coming at you with some sort of bullshit, like, 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.199 you know, wouldn't it be good if you stood up 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:58.400 on this word? And my immediate reaction was like backleg No, 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.240 why that's instinct, you know, as opposed to I would 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.560 come up you guys, say at some point, you need 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.159 to get to the door, right, because that's got to 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:08.840 be the last shot on scene, because it says you 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.840 exit and I'm into the next shot. So let's figure 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.920 out when that is. Show me what feels right to you, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.679 and we'll shoot it. So I would figure out how 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.399 I needed to get in and out of scenes, the 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.480 transitions from one scene to another, and I would tell 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.320 you guys, like I'm going to start on the door 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.919 knob and then pull back and then let's see what 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.920 happens and we'll cover it. And then the ending has 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.800 to be you go out shoes office. So you guys 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:36.040 were really helpful figuring out the meat of the scene. 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.439 I had this sort of you know, intros and outros, 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.280 and you guys had a fair amount of freedom within that. 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.560 Speaking of introts, an actress, do you remember, I can't 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.320 remember what season it was, but you started directing back 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:55.640 to back episodes and it was very rare that any 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.720 director should should have to do that ever, because that's 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.320 so difficult. You have no time to prep. You're prepping 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.919 while you're directing, if you're prepping at all. But I 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.720 remember that happening. Do you remember that? 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.080 Nope, it was I must. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.400 It might have been a prom episode, or it might 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.600 have been a finale. I can't remember. All I remember 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.000 is you being like, We're just going to do it. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.480 We're here, I'm just going to do it. I was like, wait, 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:23.080 I do remember. 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.080 There was one season opener I did. I can't. 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.240 It was Purple Piano Project. 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.520 Oh three, yeah, three, And it was I was told 0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.879 after as by Leo Bauer or Genius A d that 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.760 it was my first episode, that it was done in 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:37.320 eight days. 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.320 What see? This is my point. I've always said we 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.320 were always scheduled. People ask how many days it takes 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.480 to shoot an episode, like, well, we were always scheduled 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.320 for eight days, but never did we ever make that 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:50.760 except for. 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.159 It was hard too because and I understand it, you know. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.879 I remember we were doing one giant tap dance number 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:02.640 with Chris Kolfer and everybody, and you know, we would 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.080 show Ryan the numbers before we shot them, and Ryan 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.280 came in and he sat down and we did the 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.280 whole number. And I turned to Ryan, and Ryan said, 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:15.359 I hate it. Let's wrap. We're doing it over and 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.439 I said, oh my god, okay, and Leo Kimelmer said, 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.600 I don't worry about it. It is what it is, 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:25.160 this happens. Yes, we'll do it on another day. Get 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.240 them back to the shed with Zach and Brooke, and 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.119 I was I tried not to take it personally, but 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:37.240 you can't take anything personally, and you know it's all subjective. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.199 But things like that would happen for the better of 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.520 the show, by the way, you know, most shows didn't 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.480 have an overlord would come down and say that really 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.240 works or what are you thinking? No, start from this. 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.199 I don't care if it costs money, I don't care 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.639 if it costs time. We wanted to make it the 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:55.760 best thing possible. 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.879 It did suck too, because we'd have to that would happen, 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:00.280 and we like, damn it, we have to go back 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.240 and do this. But he was unfortunately always right yeah 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.399 about those things, like damn he was. 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.879 Yeah, the really tough part was going back to that 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:14.080 bloody cheated shd that that or Zack and Brook where 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.480 you guys had to rehearse. 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.960 Until he moved to the Powerhouse. The Powerhouse that was 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.080 a magical place. There was I don't remember which season 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.840 it was, but you we were sitting on this one 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.000 of the smaller stages. I think we were shooting in 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:33.920 the library or we had like a mini cafeteria set 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.240 up thing. It was like a little like one room 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:42.760 thing and you were talking. You're like, I just wish 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.160 like this character would do this because this is what 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.440 happens and you but this is how you would think, 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.640 and you were, you know, verbalizing it, and I was like, damn, 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.800 how do we get him to be a writer on 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.680 the show, because like, seeing how much you cared. You 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.840 were talking to one of the other writers as well, 0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:02.920 so must have been you know, season three and beyond 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.840 and there were great ideas. And that started with duets. 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.360 When you had like Heather show up to to like 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:13.360 do the meatball push with her nose. That was like, yeah, breadsticks. 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:15.840 And since then. 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.440 We're like, yeah, he's got like great ideas for Tina 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.360 and Artie and Finn and Rachel. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.200 Like could he just write it? 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.000 And I remember thinking, because we had done it a 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.240 couple times for things, we're like we had harry on 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.880 recently and we talked about how he and I sort 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.480 of incepted Ryan to get the Michael Jackson songs we wanted, 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.880 and I remember trying to plot how we could get you. 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.000 I didn't even know if you were interested in writing. 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.800 I didn't know if you were a writer. I was like, 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.560 but we need him in there. I was like, he 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.719 goes home and is thinking about what these characters are 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:50.840 doing in the future, and he's right, and I need 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.880 him to get some pens and paper and do this 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:55.760 for us. 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.360 Well, that's very sweet. I know I'm not a writer, 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.479 and I'm I wasn't interested in it, but I would. 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.200 In fact, I have a place in New Mexico that 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.520 has some cows and things, and I remember so clearly 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:16.280 walking with a script through the cows and saying to myself, 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:22.880 if I was a gay high school cheerleader, how would 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:28.400 I feel if I was rejected by my lover and 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.160 I'd sort of acted out, I mean, with the script 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:36.800 in my head. The cows were very entertains, riveted, patient 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.240 by it. But you know, a grown man's sort of 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:44.760 why was a teenage girl cheerleader? How would I deal 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:49.360 with this? Which is silly, but I was very invested. 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.080 I just I love you guys, and I love the stories. 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.280 And by the way, I heard your podcast on duets, 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.840 and I have to say that the nudging of the 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.040 meat ball I remember quite clearly. I had asked Heather, 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:03.400 did we bring Heather in? 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:04.040 Yes? 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.560 And there was a bit of an uproak because she 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.600 wasn't in the script and there was nothing written for her, 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.680 and she'd had a long day or something, I can't 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.760 remember what, but I said begged, and she brought her 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.040 in and I did the shot and I came over 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.400 and she wasn't nudging the meatball. And Kenneth Silverstein, do 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.480 you remember Kenneth the function manager. He was standing there 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.000 because he was a little you know, he was kind 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.520 of in charge of the money in the hours, and 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.400 he sort of sidled up to me. He said, why 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.880 don't you have her nudge the meatball? And I said, 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:40.360 can I do that? And he said, she's here, and 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.960 so we had the take where she doesn't nudge the meatball, 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.000 and then we had her nudge the meatball. Oh, I 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.760 cut it in And I thanked Kenneth for that because 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.120 what that did was that opened up a little door 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.080 for me where I thought, I can try things and 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.560 I can cut them in and if they don't work, 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:02.480 they'll say what the hell are you doing? That's about? 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.320 But if they if they do work. Like my favorite 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.600 moment I think of the whole run of Glee, was 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.600 you Kevin in that pool scene going into the pool 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.640 in your wheelchair. Was like, you can't do that. He's 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.320 in a wheelchair. You can't do that. 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.120 Like done everything else, So yes we can. Let's we 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.960 have to talk about this, do you know? Because I'm 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.360 like terminally online, I'm on Twitter all the time. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.440 How in the past like two years, the gift of 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.520 me being pushed into the wheelchair has become such a 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.120 viral thing. I get asked about it more than anything. 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.920 People bring it up to me all the time. I 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.360 get sent it on Twitter several times a week, or 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.040 on TikTok or on Instagram, and when it happened. I 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.960 remember when it aired, like I was really excited for 0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:02.240 it personally, but you know, it happened, the episode aired, whatever, 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.200 we moved on, and then all of a sudden, there's 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.960 been this like re emergence of this one little clip 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:13.640 and I'm like, yes, finally, because I remember, like you said, 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.800 you know, if we do everything as scripted, and we did, 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.600 and then you walk up to me because everyone was 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.720 sort of talking if I remember this correctly, and you can, 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:24.880 but I think we were all sort of joking about 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.640 it the entire time, like I need to get in 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.680 the pool. While in the pool, and I remember like 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.720 Leah and All was like shouting like push this, yeah, 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.080 just get him in the pool. And then you came 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.320 up to me and like whisper to me, Hey, so 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.720 like we got it, We're done. I want to do 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:43.560 one more. How are you with being pushed into the pool. 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.880 I was like, push my ass in the pool, please, 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.280 and not no ear in years did I ever think 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.120 it actually get cut in? Like I didn't think it 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.720 would make the edit, and I think we ended up 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.960 doing it twice or something. But I was so happy 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.080 because also, if any director was going to be like, yeah, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.040 let's try it, it would have been you. And it's become 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.600 such a random Is that how that happened? Is my 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:08.440 memory correct? 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.040 Your memory is correct. I think the idea happened on 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.720 the day and it didn't make any sense because everyone 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.239 was diving in and you would just sort of roll 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.360 by and it looks kind of weak. And then I 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.719 remember I pitched it to the team. You always got 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.359 to pitch it sort of your AD and your DP, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.480 and they all said, oh hell no, right, no, you 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.160 got to get a stuntman. You don't have permission. What 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.200 Ifrian doesn't like it. I mean all these reasons, I said, 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.520 those are all really good reasons. But I just think 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:39.960 it'll be good. And I had sort of a I 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.400 had done a movie in a wheelchair. I think I 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.879 told you this my worth together. I did a sun 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.160 Dance film called The Water Dance with Helen Hunt and 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.800 I was playing a quad and one of the fellows 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.839 who wrote and directed that, Neil Jimenez, who sadly just died, 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.360 was in a chair. The whole time, and so I 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.479 stayed in my chair the whole time, and he would 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.560 give me these books like he Won't get far on foot, 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:07.640 and these really sort of darkly funny, weird takes on 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.040 being in a wheelchair. And he said, we just hate 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.400 it when anyone pities us or tries to take the chair. 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.440 I mean, he would taught me through it. And so 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.239 I thought, this is something that already can do. It's 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.480 like a giant finger to the world. Yeah, And it 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.520 makes total sense because it's it's not it's not a 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:33.040 pitying thing. It's a joyful, crazy act that a teenager 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:33.440 would do. 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.560 I also that reminds me that he came up to 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.120 me and you're like, they don't want to do that. 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.200 He told me that, But you're like, I told I 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.279 think it was Andrew, and you're like, I'm going to 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:47.279 have Andrew's day on you. 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.279 And Andrew will get it. Andrew would definitely get it. 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.680 Oh, I got you a partner in crime. 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:56.400 Yeah, because I was like, if we have one take, like, 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.879 I need to throw my body into this water. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:02.399 And you know what, it was kind of foolish because 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.200 you could have hurt yourself. You could have heard yourself 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.440 that wheelchair could have snapped your neck. You don't know, 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.200 and it is always better to plan things and discuss 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.640 it with stunt coordinators and the official But every once 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:14.919 in a while, you just got to say, hey. 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.000 What the hell is it pretty safe? Like I was 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.319 going into the water. There wasn't a lot of risk 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.080 in that one, Like it was true. 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.960 That's true. But now that I have back then, I 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.480 was just a director saying how can we make this 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.319 episode sing? Now I've sort of been producing shows, and 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.440 I think if you did that to me, that's kind 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:37.279 of a liable You're opening yourself up to a lot 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:42.840 of a lot of questions. So but I would enlist 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.120 you guys. You guys would do anything, which is fantastic 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:47.560 I mean. 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.200 For you specifically for you. 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.040 Yeah, well, I think you do anything because you were 0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.320 enormously talented and at that point free enough to say, 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.080 why don't we try that? Why don't we? 0:36:58.480 --> 0:36:58.719 Yeah? 0:36:58.800 --> 0:36:59.120 Why not? 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:00.640 Yeah? 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.240 It is a great place to approach acting. 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.080 When you came on the beginning of season two for Duets, 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:22.960 we were probably pretty well behaved, yeah, mostly, And then 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.520 when blaming on the alcohol your next episode, I think, right, 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:38.839 was that your next episode? Yes, how was that? I 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:43.520 remember because that episode was written sort of as a 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.680 telling off of us in real life, because we got 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:49.480 caught coming back from lunch a little under the influence, 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:53.319 some of us more than others. And so when we 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:58.120 did that episode, you were very adamant, obviously about nobody 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.279 actually drink. We're not going method, and you taught us 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.840 this technique of you know, spinning around in circles adah 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:06.439 and then and then. 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.000 Start trying to stand still. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.960 Yes, which was great, But I don't know if I 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:17.680 do know that not everybody followed that, you know, how 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.200 was that experience comparatively? 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.920 It's interesting because I felt like in watching the season 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:31.920 two h for me, I felt like I was being tested, 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.960 maybe unintentionally because you never know how the scripts are written. 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:40.120 But I mean, Duet's was obviously an intimate, sort of 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:47.960 relational about you know, Kurt rejected, Arty is rejected. It's 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:53.279 about love that isn't working out. And there were two 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.120 guest stars and they each had a line. You know, 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.960 I think the librarian went shush to to do you 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.759 and Mike, and there was Jonathan Wolf in the cafeteria 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.640 where Santana comes in and says she's just using you already. 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.040 Everyone slept with her, hey you hey kid, and this 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.240 guy turns around, Jonath Wilma says, oh, yeah, I slept 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.000 with her. Those are the only two guest stars. So 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.440 I think, you know, I was the new director. I thought, okay, 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:22.279 Duet's was probably the easiest production wise episode. Let's try 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.520 the new guy out on that. And then when we 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.680 had a good time and it worked, they might have said, oh, 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:34.960 let's give him the most crazy, anarchic, chaotic episode, depending 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.040 on the alcohol and see what happens. And luckily, I 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.880 mean Ian had written all three of these, so I 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.080 was I was triple blessed with that. And you guys 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:49.799 were maniacs, main alcohol maniacs, maniacs. 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.040 But I loved it. 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.000 I loved it. I just kept shooting, and the ones 0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:00.480 that were drunk or drinking, I said, well, let's just 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.279 keep shooting. Do it again, let's go back, We'll keep 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.960 shooting and get a real close on his face. And 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:07.640 it was, you know, like the crew was sort of 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:08.839 at that party. 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:15.040 Too, yes, and that so that's my favorite episode. Has 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.319 always been my favorite episode. It is because because it's 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.040 so different, like we're never going to go to a 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:25.440 house party. It really was teens being teens outside of school. 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.000 For them, it's such a mixed message to the adults 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.600 are getting drunk absolutely so they may want to. They 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.160 may have wanted to have taught you a lesson, but 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.279 the lesson was like this weird double edged sword, like 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.120 it's fun, but you shouldn't do it, but we do it, 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:41.800 but don't right. 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.520 And we talked to about how like we never really 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.160 got to improv that much on the show. Oh but 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:54.400 yeah with you, and I remember that was probably like 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.960 the most like you said, chaotic thing, because I remember 0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.640 us having a pow wow, I think sort of in 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.120 the middle that day, like okay, what is everybody's thing? 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.560 Like what are because we had talked about with the 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.239 writers about the different drunk types and who would be 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:09.799 funny to see in each type of thing, and you 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.520 really like encouraged us to just really go for it 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.000 and play and like set up these things on the 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.959 day as we're in rehearsal, like what if you guys 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:21.040 were over here and what if you guys said this, 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.680 what does that look like? And having the freedom in 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:29.399 that situation to really just be pure maniacs. I think 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:31.920 probably why it's my That's probably why it's my favorite 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:36.600 episode because we felt like we were also at a 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.560 party the entire day and sitting there. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.680 And by the way, you would do anything like what 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.680 if Heather did a backflip and then you did blow 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.560 on her belly? Just like what I don't think the 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:56.880 blow made the final but no, Heather, the back flip, like, 0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.480 what is happening over there? Get away real quick? Yeah? 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.840 The daily from that, but the must be nuts nuts? 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:04.480 Oh they are. 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:05.839 I watched them all. 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:07.759 Guess you did. 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.200 Do you have a favorite episode that you directed? 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.759 Well, you know, like I said, I only watched the 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.799 first couple of seasons, so I didn't. I didn't get 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:23.520 how dare you? But I'd say, you know, I would 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:28.799 say I did love prom just because you know a 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:33.640 musical number that ends in people puking. Oh no, that 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.640 was that was blaming on the alcohol. Prom. Oh prom 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:38.560 was the one that entited dance. 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:46.200 With the prom Queen dancing, hurt dancing, Queen dancing Queen right, 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.880 that was park. I loved them jar Parks. 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:55.600 Did you just multiple proms? I feel like, yeah, you got. 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.440 I think like how Brad Beeker got stuck with all 0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:59.360 the competitions. 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.799 You got got practical dances, Yeah, it was that Heather 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:08.000 pro Dinosaurs. 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.360 I got that. Yeah, weird. 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:14.160 Those were so much fun, fun because Eric, Yeah, you 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.120 made them really fun. 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.560 And I think I rented a pale blue prompt suit. 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.880 Yes, you did one of them. 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.360 Yes, I remember that because the crew and one of 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.800 them a crew dressed up too, like everybody problem Joey Patrick. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.279 Yeah, Andrew, Yes, everybody got dressed up. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.240 It was a you know, it was a problem. 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:39.160 It was a prom and it was that show as 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.719 hard as it was to do overall, as hard as 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.400 it was to do, and as much of a strain 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.799 as it was on everybody, particularly you guys. I mean 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.520 at that point, I think you had just gotten back 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.520 from touring in between seasons, so you were wiped out 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.240 starting a season, which is insane, right, But there really 0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:02.160 was a feeling like we just loved what we were doing, 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:08.680 you know, and and all your your characters. It meant 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.399 a lot. I mean, I went to high school at 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:17.400 a time in the seventies where one of my best friends, 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:24.360 Scotti Durnovich, just gayer than you can imagine. In the 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:30.160 seventies before it was cool, and I remember we were 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.920 walking outside the gym at school or something, and I 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:37.520 was a tiny, loud and obnoxious kid and some jocks 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:41.080 walked by and said, hey, fag and they like punched it. 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:47.359 And I remember like that feeling of oh my god, 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:52.800 and he was like, it's okay, it happens. I was shocked, because, 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.839 you know, we would do plays together in the theater world, 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.399 the music world. We love everybody. It's like the Dyscapellian church. 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.799 You know, hey, you're straight a woman, you're a man, 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:01.800 what are you? Who cares? 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:02.160 We love it. 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.960 And to have seen that happen growing up in a 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:10.280 school situation, and then to come around and be able 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.880 to work with you guys on a show that is 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:19.600 probably the most inclusive, open, helpful show for kids who 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:24.560 are struggling to perhaps come out in a place that 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:29.720 is not welcoming or caring or loving, it meant something, 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:35.480 you know, and it was. It sounds ridiculous to say important, 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:40.000 but I think the fact of it mattered. And I 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.080 should love those curtain bird scenes too, because of the 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:48.880 best Father's sons and Michael Mathews, Michael, Chris Colper. Truly, 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.640 Mike was a beast and Chris, you know, Chris was 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.080 a guy. I think I owe an apology to Chris 0:45:56.120 --> 0:46:00.279 because I felt like my job as a director was 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.719 to sort of connect with each of you and get 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.520 you guys to try stuff that I thought you might 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:12.280 have in you. And that's a bit egotistical, and sometimes 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.160 it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I tried some things 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.960 with Chris and I remember him looking at me like 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:20.239 what no, And I'm just said, come on, man, let's 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.040 just try it. And I was insistent, and I didn't 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:27.000 need to be because his instincts were oh my god, 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.239 oh my god, that man's instincts or that boy at 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.600 the time. And I don't think I used a single 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:38.000 take of me directing him. It was always go back 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:39.840 to Chris's first couple of takes, go back to what 0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:43.840 he how he saw it, because he was touched. 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:50.160 Yeah, not unbelievable, undoubtedly so, and the two of them 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:56.200 together like just yeah fire. Michael Malley, Michae O'Malley. He 0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.600 was always like a like a parent said to us. 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.239 He always gave words of advice. He always loved to 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.680 be nice to everybody. Be nice to everybody, Be be 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.560 kind to the people you work with. No, they're learn 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:14.160 their names, and it really it hit. He's like invest 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.080 in real estate, don't blow your money. Just a really 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:21.920 smart guy with the best tickbits of advice for new, 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.760 young successful actors that I never ever. 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.439 Forgot, like on an acting and getting to watch him 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:33.439 like rehearse the scene. Yeah, was also like you Eric, Yeah, 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:38.839 thought deeply came in prepared. I had ideas, wanted to 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:43.919 really make sure every emotional beat was going to be hit. 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.200 And yeah, like a. 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.640 Racehorse he was. He was ready to and he was 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.080 so good. Oh my god, And I'm glad to hear 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:57.400 that he gave that advice to you guys, because I 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.319 will never forget. I think it was season four or 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:04.200 five Mark and I think it was cored and I 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:08.240 think it was Corey came up to me in between setups, 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:09.600 so we were waiting around and said, hey, man, you 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.839 got any No, they didn't start with the advice. They said, 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.080 it's my birthday. One of them was having a birthday. 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.800 It's my birthday next month. Hey, stults, what do you 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:20.680 think I should do for my birthday? Do you think 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:24.760 I should rent a plane with for fifty my friends 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.600 would fly to Vegas for the weekend, or do you 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.839 think we should rent a yacht and do this and that, 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.719 and they were all happy and excited, like what did 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.040 we do with our money in our fame? And I 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.000 looked at them and I was I was in drunky mood. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.080 I thought, I said, you want my honest answer, here's 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.279 what you should do. You should take that money and 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.920 get in therapy and buy a house, a small house 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.560 that you can keep forever, because it's not always going 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.640 to be like this. And I remember they looked at 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:53.640 me like I shot their dog looked at me like, oh, 0:48:54.080 --> 0:49:00.000 stones down, getting it away from him. But it is 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:00.520 good advice. 0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.360 Home therapy and homes. 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.560 Very those were the three wrong guys to be talking. 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.400 To you, that's right at that point time. 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:11.640 Mark, Corey and. 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:15.960 Yeah, there was no talking about that. 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:21.839 No, No, they definitely probably Vegas. What before we let 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:27.600 you go? Which is so sad. What feeling does Glee 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:28.160 leave you with? 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.200 Well, I tell you I watched. When I got to duets, 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:42.400 I wept. I wept because you were all so so 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.239 beautiful and talented and and it was such a lovely experience. 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:53.200 And then I wept for Nya and Corey m and 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.400 even Mark. You know, Mark was yeah, a piece of 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:57.880 work and he wasn't easy. 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:07.040 But yeah, yeah, it's a sort of a sad loveliness 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.680 that I look at that that time because I so 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:11.800 loved you guys. 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:16.080 I just you know, I cherished being able to get 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.720 get there with you and do what I did. Yeah, 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:26.000 I mean, I haven't watched the rest of the seasons. 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:27.640 Yeah, there really were. 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.160 The feeling I can say I can speak for all 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:34.600 of us is very mutual. We felt that from you. 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:39.080 We're still obsessed with you. Yeah, you're not going to 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:40.760 get rid of us that easily. 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:42.600 Ok. 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:49.440 Yeah, well, thanks for taking your time to prepare for 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:55.799 this podcast number one. Refresh your memory, always prepared, hang 0:50:55.840 --> 0:51:00.040 out with us, share your feelings. Yeah, Like I just 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:03.160 echo Kevin, like anytime you were coming on, we knew 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.680 we saw stilts on the roster and be like, oh, 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:10.319 like a breath, like a sigh relief and such a 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.880 joy and always just kind of like picked us up 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:16.759 and back out of our choir slump. So thank you. 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.240 It is true. And I don't know if you knew 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.759 that where you know, we could get into the the 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.960 rut of the process of the exhaustion of it all, 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:31.480 and there absolutely was an injection of you know, positivity, 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:36.239 and absolutely picked us back up and injected us with 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:36.800 some energy. 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:37.600 That's right. 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.799 No, I'm glad, I'm glad. I mean, look, you guys 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:42.760 didn't really need any help with the energy department. 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:45.200 I could now, I mean I do now. 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.640 We all grow older. But at that point, literally like 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:54.080 you had toured all summer and you were making another 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:57.960 twenty two episodes and you were partying in the on 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.040 the weekends. It was you guys. Correct, You guys are 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.000 living the dream we were. 0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:03.879 We really did. 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:04.879 Yeah we did. 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:06.640 I wonder I don't want to leave my house over. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:08.239 Yeah we did it all. 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:08.800 I didn't. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:10.160 Yeah, I did it. 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.000 No need truly, we've done it. We've seen it all. 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:13.840 No fomo. 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.839 Well, thanks Eric. We we love you and adore you. 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.080 Thank you, I love you right there. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.239 Thanks for spending so much time with us, and so 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:23.920 good to. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:25.279 See you you too. 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.160 He hasn't changed a bit. I mean he's I'm sure 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.400 he's evolved, but he hasn't changed at all. 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.960 No, in all the great ways, he's the same and 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:37.720 just wonderful, caring and so prepared. 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:41.759 Always so prepared, more prepared than we are for this podcast. 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.000 Yeah, so you know, going forward, when you're rewatching the 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:48.520 show with us, just pay attention to who's directing and 0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:51.640 you'll see it's a little more loose around the edges 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.799 with us. I think when Stultz is directing, that's right, 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:56.640 that's totally great and a great way. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.120 Well, thanks Stoltz for coming on. We really if you 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.560 couldn't tell by the episode, you guys, we really loved 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:08.480 Erek being one of our directors. 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