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Speaker 1: Request Left show is a production of iHeart Radio. Actually

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Speaker 1: I did have like, you know, the typical multi hyphen

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Speaker 2: Scroll for you.

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Speaker 1: But we were kind of mid small talk conversation. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: finish what you were saying and then I will introduce

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Speaker 1: you as if you need introduction, But go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, it's an honor to be here. Good sir,

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Speaker 2: mister Love you know, mister Rock, how are you? Oh man?

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Speaker 2: Never better man? Like I was saying before, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: let you do your lass introduction. But we were just

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Speaker 2: talking about trying to keep the chee the energy functually

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Speaker 2: in one room. So I was just, you know, explaining

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Speaker 2: to you how I can't even sleep without a night

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Speaker 2: light and all the doors close. Where does that come from? From?

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Speaker 2: A fortune cookie? It said, the ones you love, even

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Speaker 2: the ones that's not here with you, are always looking

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Speaker 2: over you. Oh I believe that. I'm like even when

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Speaker 2: I'm in the bathroom, like, oh dude, I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: So I had a medium situation like I was gifted

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Speaker 1: a medium for my fiftieth birthday and a shout out

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Speaker 1: to Larlen Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Which is like a type of like psychic ability.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean initially I thought it was something

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Speaker 1: closer to like what will be Goldberg was on and

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Speaker 1: Ghosts and Ghosts. But yeah, Larlen Jackson is I knew

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Speaker 1: nothing of that world and she has like the most

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Speaker 1: popular Netflix show or whatever. I was gifted her for

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Speaker 1: my birthday and the stuff she was communicating to me.

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Speaker 1: As far as the ancestors that are walking with us

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Speaker 1: right now, yes they're amongst us.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why that center scene is so epic. Yes right, yes,

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Speaker 2: yes it is, so make that introduction all right, Here

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Speaker 2: we go.

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Speaker 1: Our guest has redefined the landscape of music and fashion,

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Speaker 1: most notably perception of New York City in terms of

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Speaker 1: culture hip hop of course, but just beyond that, I

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Speaker 1: can attest that his critically acclaimed albums, notably.

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Speaker 2: Long Live Ave Sep.

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Speaker 1: And I will say that at Long Last A Sep,

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Speaker 1: It's good to finally have this conversation with you, because

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Speaker 1: for Tarik Black thought, at Long Last a Sap was

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Speaker 1: always his backstage ritual.

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Speaker 2: What oh dude, get the fuck up?

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Speaker 1: I think even by osmosis, like I know everything by heart,

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Speaker 1: Like what.

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Speaker 2: Literally I mean you played drums on the Feudals when

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Speaker 2: we did right Jimmy Fallon back in the day.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, massive, massive man,

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Speaker 1: massive maan. But I'll basically say that our guest today

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Speaker 1: has really been.

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Speaker 2: The paradigm shift of the culture of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that you'll probably believe the last Mohican of

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Speaker 1: the mixtape rappers now that we're totally in the streaming era.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you co shared.

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Speaker 1: The met Galla, my second one. I was on it,

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Speaker 1: the super fun Tailor in Black style. Not to mention

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Speaker 1: pushing boundaries and your acting starting in Spike and Denzel's

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Speaker 1: highest to Lewis, I love Roseburne to death, so I

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Speaker 1: believe that she's going to have an oscar and her

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Speaker 1: collection for if I had legs.

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Speaker 2: I kick you. She deserves it.

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Speaker 1: You're currently serving creative director right now for power Asse

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Speaker 1: brands like Ray Band and Puma, and now you're right

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Speaker 1: on the cusp of your next journey in music, curious title.

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Speaker 1: Don't be dumb. I like this and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to have you here a sev

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Speaker 1: Rocky coming to the Quest Love Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, thank you for having me. Brother. How

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Speaker 2: are you all right?

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Speaker 1: So I want to know what's the first thing you

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Speaker 1: did in the first half hour of your day to day.

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Speaker 2: I usually wake up, brush my teeth, check my phone,

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Speaker 2: show my kids. That's how I started my day, you know,

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Speaker 2: not in any particular order, but it varies, like one day,

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Speaker 2: I wake up and I just answer whatever emails and

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Speaker 2: I just go see my you know, get my common sake,

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Speaker 1: And you know, now that you're about to release this record,

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Speaker 1: it's the cycle different now, like are you in promotion

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, I'm in promotion mode, man, And it's like

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Speaker 2: now I just I wake up and get straight to it.

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Speaker 2: I try to go for like a job, hit the

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Speaker 2: sweat out. Were you born in Harlem?

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just finding out that you were also Pennsylvania residence.

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Speaker 2: When did this happen? So? I was born and raised

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Speaker 2: in Harlem and Bronx the Bronx New York and when

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Speaker 2: I was around eight nine years old, I moved to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: well actually Hershey rather for a Pennsylvanian, then in Dauphin County.

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Speaker 1: Kid, going to Hershey Park was always like a treat,

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Speaker 1: if something will take you to Hershey. I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Philadelphia and so always there. So were you

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Speaker 2: Or regular that chocolate factory smelling all the cocoa and city,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's just a crazy experience

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Speaker 2: you like a Twizzler, and if you toiler in that,

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Speaker 2: you're a reces. If you toiler in that, you're Hershey's

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Speaker 2: Hershey's chalkol. Like I think it's the smallest is a

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Speaker 2: kiss Hershey kiss man? You bringing back memories and you're

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Speaker 2: making me hungry right now. I say, what.

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Speaker 1: Are your fond memories of Harlem? Or did you have

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Speaker 2: Lots of fun memories, man, I mean to this day.

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Speaker 2: I was just in Harlem yesterday out of school and

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Speaker 2: teaching them how to rap. I love Harlem, man. Right

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Speaker 2: after that, I want to go see my grandmother three

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Speaker 2: blocks away from there. Chill well, health for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the night. You know, Harlem is just in my DNA.

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Speaker 2: What I picked up from Harlem. It made me a

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Speaker 2: renaissance man, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Harlem is

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Speaker 2: the shit man. It's just so much culture to adopt

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Speaker 1: Know, you know, for all the boroughs I meant. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm pushing my twentieth year of kind of denying that

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Speaker 1: I'm a New Yorker. I think one I asked to

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Speaker 2: Well, you were born here, so you're native New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I've you know, I'm pushing year eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Philadelphia is a very jealous city, so

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Speaker 1: I at least do twenty years before I do it.

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Speaker 2: So this is how you measure a different like, you know,

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Speaker 2: being able to like claim a different region. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you take your age, okay, and you say, with my age,

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Speaker 2: you know, was I living you know, in this location

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Speaker 2: you've been living in Philly for fifteen years, in New

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Speaker 1: All right, give me, give me, give me four your dog.

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Speaker 1: You you already know Philly is known for booing.

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Speaker 1: So I used to scratch my head often. And you'll

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Speaker 1: that Harlem is what I.

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Speaker 2: Think it is. I mean, you know, it's very gentified.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, like super gentrified. Not my

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Speaker 2: Or is it just not the same anymore? Oh man,

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Speaker 2: nothing is the same. Everything changes, right, But I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: I think the older I get significantly, I have this

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Speaker 2: that was twenty two, all right, So if you were

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Speaker 2: kind of outgrow those activities. Rightfully, so, right but I

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'll be forty in three years.

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Speaker 2: You believe that shit, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's a good thing, yeah, because most of us

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Speaker 2: For sure. I know I look twenty six, but I'm

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Speaker 2: I'll take it as a compliment. But you know, at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, I just let me give

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Speaker 2: of Harlem. She's a true from Barbados. First place she

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Speaker 2: moved to was Harlem, back and forth from the Bronx

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Speaker 2: to Harlem. She refuses to move out of her building.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's like a community, and it's still like a community,

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Speaker 2: you know, neighbors, neighborhood. So you want to upgrade her,

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Speaker 2: but she still insists, She insists she you know, I

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Speaker 2: love how humble she is. I just paid the rent

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Speaker 2: for everybody in her building this month and shoutouts to build,

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Speaker 2: and you know they were also graceful and thankful and

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Speaker 2: just appreciative. But the point I'm making is I'm in

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Speaker 2: to me just going back and doing the same old ship. Right.

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Speaker 2: So I went to drop her off last summer, I

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Speaker 2: drop off me and a couple of family members. And

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Speaker 2: you know, not the brag. You know, I don't go

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Speaker 2: when I go to hallm I take the train or

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Speaker 2: I take like an anonymous that much. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, because I don't want to hurt nobody,

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Speaker 2: Like why would I do that. I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 2: I still have my first car and it's raggedy. Is

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Speaker 2: I go see my brother Tawhia on the east Side

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Speaker 2: Like? When did you first learn who rock in? My

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Speaker 2: Or we're people telling you? Yeah, my pops in them

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Speaker 2: So what year did Juice come out? Got ninety two,

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Speaker 2: ninety two? So I all right, look eighty eight, eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: TV right and Rock Kim had the bucket, had Cano

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Speaker 2: was like, that's Rock Kim, that's who you naked after.

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Speaker 2: You named after him. I just was like, damn, that

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Speaker 2: I'm just a little comfortable right now. Well you should be, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm big on time travel, astro traveling like that sort

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Speaker 2: I would go to Maley Empire around eleven hundreds. Oh damn, okay, explain,

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Speaker 2: I mean Massimosa. Right, Like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I'm still curious, Sam, how about you?

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Speaker 1: My level of time traveling has more or less to

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Speaker 2: Yes, you get on my nerves. I wanted to say that. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: See I got all philosophical, you got all cool, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, I just you know, some of the best

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Speaker 1: So what would you say, is professionally speaking, at least,

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Speaker 2: The single moment that changed my life is when I

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Speaker 2: was introduced to a Savims. Tell me about it, man,

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Speaker 2: rest in peace to the homie. Man. You know, A

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Speaker 2: Savims was like responsible for all the peopot Wal moments

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Speaker 2: What I was in North Carolina, what I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: You give what I'm saying. Come on, bro, Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it was significantly accurate. As a kid. You got to

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Speaker 2: It was like eight feet went or like popped back up.

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Speaker 2: His arm was haryeus. Fuck. I grabbed it, and that

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Speaker 2: motherfucker's like we was at sea World or some shit

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Speaker 2: put me on the sideline, left me there. I'm on

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Speaker 2: And my father's like, man, he already been throughing nothing.

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Speaker 2: Little motherfucker almost dry and let him.

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Speaker 1: Man, even when your life is on the line, like

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Speaker 2: Like is that? Like, I'm glad you're alive. Now, go

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Speaker 2: in your room. Oh, she was about to whip me

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Speaker 1: Has this uh discouraged you from swimming or it's a

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Speaker 1: fucking louly You have not done it since I learned

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Speaker 2: That long to jump back in the water. Hell, yes, damn,

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Speaker 2: I'm traumatized. Man, How are you with it now? Oh?

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Don't give me nothing more deep. It's quiet,

430
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: so you'll take it just a little bit as long

431
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: as I could touch a toe, pop back up and

432
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: I'll be all right, you know what I mean. Nah,

433
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm a good swimmer. I just learned, like you know, uh,

434
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: density and stuff and going and you know, to see,

435
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: you don't really have to know how to swim and float.

436
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: You just use your body and salt and salt water

437
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: and shit like that. It's really cool when you think

438
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: about the physics of it. But you know, I'm a

439
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: decent swimmer though, all jokes aside.

440
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: All right, So I have questions, of course about your

441
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: latest project. And yeah, I'm kind of raging with a

442
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: little bit of jealousy because you were able to pull

443
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: off a trick that I've not been able.

444
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: To pull off. What's talk to me?

445
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: How the hell did you manage to get with on

446
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: a writer out the house? Yo, I've been phone friends

447
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: with this person for years. She'll never come out the house.

448
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: How did you get her out the house?

449
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: God? God, God, man? God? Is everything is a lining

450
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: right now? Like everybody from Tim Burton's Ethos, from Tim

451
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Burton himself, Danny Elfman with on a rioter, a couple

452
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: more people that I can't say as yet because it's

453
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: still a surprise, but like, okay, oh damn yeah, Like

454
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: Tim Burton played a really big part in this whole project.

455
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: And she was so down. She was so cool, yo,

456
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: She's coolest shit. She had her own fucking merch, she

457
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: had old fucking Beavis and butt Head and Pink Floyd shit. Like,

458
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: she was so cool, man, And I can't wait, Like, hopefully,

459
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: with the grace of God, I could share the silver

460
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: screen with her one day, and I will be honored

461
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: to do it. Like yo, she as cool as fuck.

462
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: She gets so much cool points in my book.

463
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: Man, you worked with another hero of mine, with just

464
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: Danny Eufman, and you know Tim Burton of.

465
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Course, is also the hero.

466
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: First of all, why did it take you so long

467
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: to I know that you were talking about like sample

468
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: clearances and all that stuff back a few years ago

469
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. Why did it take so long for this

470
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: album to come to fruition?

471
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: Dummies? Keep leaking my shit?

472
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: You recorded the next thing you know, it's out just

473
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: like that. So now you realize that you're at the

474
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: level where you have to protect your shit.

475
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: And man, I realize I'm at the level where I

476
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: gotta change my number every three months, you know, And

477
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: I make everybody around me change their numbers and emails

478
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 2: for real frequently, because once one person is breached, it's

479
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: like a virus. You wanna spread that shit, It's contagious.

480
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: What they do is they trick you. They'll put like

481
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: asat Rocky at all com and if you're not really

482
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: clicking it, and they'll know they'll have intel. They'll be like,

483
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: you know, they'll talk about a record I don't know

484
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: how they know, and you're not smart, you'll click on

485
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: that and you breach. Yeah, okay, just like that.

486
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: So you're saying that what we're getting, well, when this

487
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: comes out, the album would have been out already. So

488
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: for you, though, you felt that because it got weak

489
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: to the public or whatever, that it was still tainted even.

490
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: A work of art like yourself from it. To be

491
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: honest with you, and like, you know, I'm not indecisive

492
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: as much as people would assume. I just evolve. So

493
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: like what you made yesterday, you might be over it

494
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: by next week or next month or next year. So

495
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: sometimes when you sit on stuff too long and get

496
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: leaked and all this shit happens, it'll be over you

497
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: onto the next one. And sometimes, like your sound, it

498
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: evolves and changes with you, so your taste preference changes

499
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: and you might be over this kind of sound and

500
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: you go onto this kind of sound, experiment with that.

501
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: And I think with this album too, you know, it's

502
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: not only just that it was getting leaked. Like I

503
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: was waiting on Tim he was doing Beauty Juice Part

504
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: two and Wednesday and all type of shit. So it

505
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: was just a role about the right moment for me.

506
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: You know, what's your favorite work of Tim Burton's, Like,

507
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: why did you choose him to collaborate with on this record?

508
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: I chose him because I'm heavily inspired by German expressionism.

509
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: That's like his go to aesthetic. When you look at him,

510
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: you could tell. The reason why I think German expressionism

511
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: is amazing is because if you think about it, it's

512
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: almost equivalent to how you think about sci fi. What

513
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: I would say is, like, German expressionism is equivalent to

514
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: sci fi. You don't have any ghetto saphi, you don't

515
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: have any ghetto expressionism. Okay, that's what I could provide,

516
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: and I put my take on it and develop something new,

517
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: which is genre bendon and which is like forthcoming knew

518
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: of its own It's new in its own light. You know.

519
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: You take two components that are pre existing, mash them

520
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: together as like infuse them and make a hybrid of

521
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: something that's brand new. Hip hoppers mostly don't really you know,

522
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: know about German expressionism, which allowed me to offer something

523
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: new to them, to my crowd, to my people and shit,

524
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: And you know, I think that he's the king of

525
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: that shit and the film that I fell in love

526
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: with first My first film that I fell in love

527
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: with was a Nightmare before Christmas. My dad bought me

528
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: that and I had that on mute, and I had

529
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: Vincent his first college film. You know, I had it

530
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: all on mute while I was recording the album, and

531
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: all of the songs would kind of go to that,

532
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: and you know, my boy who that was a visual

533
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, I use motion pictures as a move board.

534
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, congrats, man, because that, to me is what I

535
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: would call it.

536
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: Come up, Thank you man, a great come up.

537
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: What's the thought process or the inspiration that you go

538
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: through in order to determine this is the sound that

539
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to go with, this is the visuals I

540
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: want to go with.

541
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: And the art I want to go with. I've always

542
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: been this way, man. I mean, eleven years ago I

543
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: made a song named LSD. That same year, I made

544
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: that song in twenty fourteen, released it in twenty fifteen.

545
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: The same session is when I recorded the song Sundress

546
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: that Everybody's in love with, so and I didn't release

547
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: Sundress until twenty eighteen, and so it's always just been

548
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: in me and I try to make what we considered

549
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: timeless music so that you can't really put a time

550
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: stamp on it or expiration date on it, because music

551
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: needs to outlive the artists, you know. And that's why

552
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: you got Jefferson Airplane, you got you know, Pink Floyd

553
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Hendrix, and you know, great people like Nat

554
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: King Cole and like, you know, even going back to

555
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: the early Renaissance days of people like Louis Armstrong, etcetera, etcetera.

556
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: List goes on, Billie Holliday, all of these people are toomless.

557
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra, they make thomless music. And the music that

558
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to affiliate my brand and my lineage and

559
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: my like whole catalog desciography with was jenre Bendon from

560
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: the start. And if there would be no asat Rocky

561
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for experimentational music or cloud rap or

562
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: trail shit or you know, when we first came out,

563
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: they never knew where we was from. Are they from Cali?

564
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: Are they from the Midwest? Know where you from? You know?

565
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you know Memphis? Like where these motherfucker's

566
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: from New York? Hall them in the Bronx with the

567
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: fuck gold teeth braids. Now that's the standard that's regular.

568
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: This particular project, Don't Be Dumb is inspired by the

569
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: the personas that you and Timberton created. Can you talk

570
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: about the origin of shirt Head, like the characters that

571
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: you have.

572
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: For Okay, so they all inspired by just aesthetics that

573
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: I created in the past, like seven years, right since

574
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: my last album. So the last album I did was

575
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: called Testing and it had crash Dummies. That was the

576
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: whole esthetic crashing out right, This is the answer to that.

577
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: After the Crash Dummy was the Babushka Boy. After the

578
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Babushka Boy was the shirt Heads. The shirt Heads is

579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: significant to the moors. We could get into that later,

580
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: you know. Shout out to brother Tyrek. I don't know

581
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: if you guys seen hidden colors, but I get a

582
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: lot of like my edgumication and my information, you know,

583
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: from watching what he did, reading up on like different

584
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: professors that he would you know, recommend, and talking to

585
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: brothers like him, you know. So you know, it's a

586
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: lot of like hidden black history and that goes across

587
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: the whole globe that we don't really know about. So

588
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: I try to embed that or include that into my

589
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: esthetic without feeling like I'm preaching the motherfuckers. You know,

590
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: it's just a little like if you know, you know

591
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: kind of situation. And so after that was this Rocky Rugahan,

592
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: the Pearl King persona where I wear like, you know,

593
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: multiple genes and stuff, and that's me getting into ghetto expressionism.

594
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: And after that is the guy that's sit in front

595
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: of you today, which we call mister Mayors. You know,

596
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: the dad, the entrepreneur, the multi faceted talented rapper, director, actor,

597
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: handsome fella, fashionisto, etcetera, etcetera.

598
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: You know, that's a mic drop movement for me. I

599
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: don't got nothing else after that.

600
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: So those are all the characters that Tim Burton depicted

601
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: on the cover, all the personas and alter eagles of myself.

602
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: Who is your creative north star? Who would you say

603
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: your top three heroes are just in terms of like

604
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: the creatives that you not even hip hop, just in

605
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: life like but okay, I'll say.

606
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: To go with hip hop. It's too many people for

607
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: me to just That's why you got to pick a

608
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: category or margin or something more just.

609
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: Like a okay, in music, I mean in music, if

610
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 3: you want to talk about dance and stuff like Bob Fosse,

611
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: fred Astaire, Charlie Chaplin.

612
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he was film. But music genres psychedelics,

613
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: mod psych, I can roll fucking of course, hip hop, rap,

614
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: you know gangst the rap, the Golden Age, you guys,

615
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: you know, soulful music. I just think it's just I'm

616
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: a fucking sponge. I'm inspired by every fucking thing. If

617
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: I get inspired by something, I know how to use

618
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: that to my advantage without appropriating or biting or stealing.

619
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

620
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: You filter it through your own creativity so that it

621
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: comes absolutely.

622
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: I like how you wrede it. That very eloquent of you.

623
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: Hey man, that's that's what I'm here for. Thank you.

624
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's go a year before your first album.

625
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to twenty ten. What was in your mind,

626
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: in Rockhem's mind in twenty ten, what was your definition

627
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: of making it? Like, I want to get into the game,

628
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: and this is what I think making it.

629
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: Is everything that happened to me is without no define,

630
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 2: is making it all the blessings all of so.

631
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Even in twenty ten, you have the foresight to know, sure,

632
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: this is the path that you're going to travel.

633
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: For sure, two thousand and nine, I knew.

634
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: You gotta understand that that's I think that's a beautiful thing.

635
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: But I came up in the generation before in which

636
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: like literally, like if you listen to Biggie's lyrics and

637
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Juicy really making it was just like having a dope

638
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: video game system, place, a place to swim in your backyard.

639
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's making it and getting a good review

640
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: in a.

641
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: Magazine like five mics in a sauce.

642
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like for real, Like jay Z's the

643
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: first rapper who even uttered words that most rappers lived

644
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: at home with their mama, you know what I mean,

645
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: Like easy, he's talking about boys in the hood, you know, God, get.

646
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: Drunk, gonna start a BII about my friends.

647
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: Right and even snoop like six, my mama ain't home.

648
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: But jay Z like owned property, And to me that

649
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: was a big deal in ninety seven, like, oh, he's

650
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: dreaming a property, So we weren't. I mean, statistically, I

651
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: don't think black people are ever wherever taught to dream

652
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: because we had the.

653
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: Hustle, you know what I mean.

654
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: And jay Z was a hustler, yeah, but then he

655
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: became a dreamer, you know, and back then I just thought, like, well,

656
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: they're just lying. They don't have that stuff. But now

657
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: call it, we call it manifested now. So but for you,

658
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: this is the path that you're on right now is

659
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted it to be back in twenty

660
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: ten when you first started.

661
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: I was referring to twenty eleven and twelve when I

662
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: was when I was talking about twenty ten. God, yeah,

663
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: like I was just like I knew it, you know.

664
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I'm not trying to sound like

665
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm a fake psychic on some miscleo shit, but I knew,

666
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: like I can't settle for less. I can't settle for this.

667
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: If I'm hopping the train right now, that's right now,

668
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: because I know like it's going to happen. It has to.

669
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: I used to just be like these motherfuckers, it's corny.

670
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, they need me in life. I knew they

671
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: needed me. I knew I wasn't normal, you know, not

672
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: to just come across so cocky. I'm full of myself.

673
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: But the truth of the matter is I'm quite accurate.

674
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: Like I think it's something it's cocky at all.

675
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if anything, I think we need to be

676
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: more in the space of owning it, right, because again

677
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: we've been taught to be humble, but my small.

678
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, you know. And I just was

679
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: looking like, man, this shit needs me. You know, our

680
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: culture has been exploited and you know so many times, right,

681
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: and to the point where you can't even identify no

682
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: more or really kind of you know, connected to any

683
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: what we attribute or just contributions. It just don't even like,

684
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: you know, correlate to the culture anymore. What is the culture?

685
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Right? So it's just like

686
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: it's to a place where I just want to just

687
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, show people how to just be the best them,

688
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: be the best artist, you know what I mean, because

689
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: we come from an era where you have to keep

690
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: it real, you know what I mean. And mostly all

691
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: the real niggas I know is dead in jail. True,

692
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: it's no space, it's not a climent to be real,

693
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: which if you really keep it to yourself, because the

694
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: moment they sniff that out then for you.

695
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it took me like five years reacclimate myself

696
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: with the word failure.

697
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Like first I thought failure was.

698
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: Like a bad thing, Like ah, I feel now I

699
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: embraced failure as a lesson, learn not to do that again.

700
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: What's the biggest rejection you've ever gotten and how did

701
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: you overcome it?

702
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: It started out with a girl. The first time you

703
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: get rejected by that one girl, you like, damn, she

704
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: kind of could crush your pride, right, Like the fuck

705
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: is it me? You know what I'm saying. Then you'd

706
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: be like, look at me and look at yourself, sweetheart,

707
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: Like you got to tell yourself, like you're bugging, You're lost. Right.

708
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: So that's how I take anytime, like I do something

709
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: that I'm positive about, you know, confident about, and if

710
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: it quote unquote fails, I take it as a lesson learned,

711
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: just like what you just said. Man, Like, I definitely

712
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: was in a place where if I did something that

713
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: was considered a failure, it hit me hard because I'm

714
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: so compassionate about everything that I do or everything that

715
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm involved in. You know, it's not just about putting

716
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: numbers on the board and just saying how I did that.

717
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: I did that for bragging rights. Nah. I love this shit,

718
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: and you know I'm a renaissance man, so I care

719
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: about it. You know, I care a lot. So if

720
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: I fail to somebody else's standards, but to my own

721
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: and visual standards. You know, sometimes failure and success could

722
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: be subjective, you know, as long as you feel like

723
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: you succeeded. But if it's something that you did feel at,

724
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: if you're gonna keep pursuing it, just make sure you

725
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: bigger and better next time, stronger and faster and smarter

726
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: next time. How do you deal with creative blocks? Smoke weed? Okay?

727
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: If not, like work with people that like are very creative.

728
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: Like you know, I've ran into moments where I had

729
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: a lot on my plate and I would have The

730
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: Baby come through, Big Sean come through, and I'll just

731
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: parish Texas. I had these guys come through, and I'd

732
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: be like, hey, throw put a flow down, like some

733
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: guys wouldn't even say words dribberish, and that could inspire

734
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: you and push you to write your own shit, you

735
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I'm not really

736
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: too keen to like ghostwriters, but the Baby is one

737
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: of the first artists that I ever collaborated with on

738
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: some bars, and the last artist too. You get what

739
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I don't. I guess I come from

740
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: an era where that's just a that's just a no.

741
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: But when you you block yourself from creating by having

742
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: an ego and shit like that, that's when you your

743
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: own worst enemy. And when I let my guard down

744
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: and he was listening to me about how to produce,

745
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: he produced his own first record. He was like, yo, bro,

746
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: we really feed off of each other's energy. Shout outs

747
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: to the baby man. He's one of the illis MC's

748
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: and lyricists. I know, man, you know what I'm saying.

749
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: Like I think writers block. If you put a powerful

750
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: component in the room with you, it'll help. It doesn't

751
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: matter if you're a novelist, a journalist, a poet, or rapper,

752
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 2: a lyricist. You put a cool motherfucker that you could

753
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: bounce energy off of, like in the same room as you,

754
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna come up with something good. Man, Trust me, man,

755
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: question what's up?

756
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: What's the last lie that you told?

757
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I used to be lying like a motherfucker, man,

758
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, in what kind of contexts you're talking? What's

759
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: the best lie you've told? The best lie ever told?

760
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Let me think, I mean you say all type of

761
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: lies to get some pussy. Back in the day, I mean,

762
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: but like now, I try not to lie. Man. I

763
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: might fabricate a little nowadays, but I try not to

764
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: lie because it's like I don't lie to God. I

765
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: don't lie to my mother, my woman. I ain't about

766
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: the lot of these motherfuckers. Like when you tell the

767
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: truth and own it, nobody could bust your burst your bubble,

768
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They can't really blow your spot,

769
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: pull your card. They can't because you already owning it.

770
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: You owning that flaw, like you know what I'm saying.

771
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: And like if it's a situation where you doing something

772
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: that you couldn't bear to live with, don't do it.

773
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: Or if that's really you living your truth, that's it.

774
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. If you were a killer,

775
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I wouldn't recommend self snitching

776
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: on yourself. But like you, if you know you a

777
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: killer at heart, you just gotta like accept the fact

778
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: that you might do life in prison, you know what

779
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I accept the fact. Like if you're a prostitute,

780
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and you sell some pussy

781
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: and shit like that, whatever, you just admit it to

782
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: yourself that you're a hooker, Like that's just it, Like

783
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: you're simple as that. You know what I'm saying. Shout there,

784
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: all sex workers out there, sex POLTI all right.

785
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: So when I first got my advance, the very first

786
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: thing I did was I went out purchased twelve pairs

787
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: of Pumas and every color spectrum.

788
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: I was young and dumb, but yes, I went out

789
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: in person.

790
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: The way you're looking at me right now, it's the

791
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: way my dad looked at me.

792
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, what the fuck? Where did you buy these

793
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: sneakers from?

794
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: Talk about your collaboration with Puma, like how did that

795
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: come to be? Why did you look? We all know

796
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: that you're the fashion god. So for you, I know

797
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: that if you loan your credibility to any brand that

798
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: it's official. Why did you choose Puma and talk about

799
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: that collaboration?

800
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: I chose Puma because Puma was family. My girl already

801
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: did like crazy work with them, inspirational shit, like I

802
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: don't know how many years ago, twelve, thirteen years ago.

803
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: You know, my manager, Jay Brown, my brother Henry Jones,

804
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: jay Z, my family at Rock Nation, they all helped

805
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: like usher that deal for me. Here we all because

806
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: It's just like I need to be able to get

807
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: out my ideas my main first priority.

808
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Who's your top five best stressed best stressed?

809
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: What I gotta get specific? Yeah, because it's a lot

810
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: of best stress motherfuckers?

811
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Man, Who do you respect in terms of jess? Okay,

812
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: it's one thing when you're doing promotions or whatever, do

813
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: you dress like this? Just want to regular every day?

814
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Like if you weren't doing promos. Yeah, all right, you

815
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: got to be my mentor mant I'm saying shit with

816
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: Greg Lauren or whatever.

817
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: But nah, I feel like, I mean, come on, that's

818
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Ralph learning nephew man.

819
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel I gotta I gotta step my

820
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: game up. But for you, who are the five people

821
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: that you respect their fashion game?

822
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? I seen Big Kanye West most he made the list.

823
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: Of course. Nice Man was rickied out. So I got

824
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: my name Pretty Flaco from him. He gave it to me.

825
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: You know that I did not. He gave me permission

826
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: because a Dominican girlfriend gave it to me when I

827
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: was before I was famous, and then when I got

828
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 2: famous he named me. That's why my name is Lord

829
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: Pretty Flaggle. Jody the second because he's the first. You know,

830
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: that's big bro right there. Shout outs to the most

831
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: death Man, it's my big brother, but basically him, it's

832
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: it's more than five though, So can I just soon

833
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: someone get offended they're not on your list. They might,

834
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: but I'm sorry just again. Alright, So yay Pharrell, Grandpooba

835
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: most Deaf Fabulous dip set.

836
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad Pooper made your list because people don't acknowledge that,

837
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's really I think the first rapper would swag.

838
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: In terms of I fuck with cool Keith. Who else

839
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: was a fly slick Rick? Slick Rick was a fly

840
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: bro to me. I mean, came, mightn't have more money,

841
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: but he wasn't fucking came to fly nigga. But who else?

842
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Even j Man? He had his like the T shirt

843
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: on the head. Jay Z used to do that. Man,

844
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, the Yankee fitted tilted. Is

845
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: there a fashion trend that you regret following? Yeah, as

846
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: a Harlem night, did you have to go through your

847
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: pink period? Yeah? Yeah, but I still I'm still on

848
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: my pink shit. Okay, it's Harlem. I think uh a

849
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: fashion trend, fashion trends that I tend to start, is

850
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: what I regret sometimes. You know what I'm saying, But

851
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: because you don't get to shine on your own shit. Nah,

852
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: because some of that shit looks ridiculous fifteen years later.

853
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

854
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So is there a piece of clothing that you

855
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: know you should get rid of but you can't let go?

856
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: Remember that? How our sentimental are you with? Nah? Man?

857
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: That shit is out the door? Remember that brand? Kate Easy? Yes,

858
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: that shit was garbage, but you loved it. I used

859
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: to wear that shit. Man. Have you ever gotten roasted

860
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: for any of your outfits? For sure, some people don't

861
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: be getting a vision, But I mean you can own

862
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: it now. I mean you're I appreciate that. Man. Do

863
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: I look big of roast me? They could cook me,

864
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: they can deep fry meat, they can saltee whatever they want.

865
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm not nigga Like, it's nobody who could fuck with

866
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: my fashion sense and my taste is impeccable. I'm just like,

867
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: I impressed myself a lot.

868
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: What is your proudest non work achievement, non music achievement.

869
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: Like your family? Man, just being like a dude to

870
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: like show guys like yo get you a nice girl,

871
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: chill out sometimes because like look at look at Shannon's

872
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: sharp look at you know, girls be you know, I

873
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: don't want to throw people under the bus or nothing

874
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: like that, but like they have to get you right now.

875
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: You can have a little bit of money, you have

876
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: a lot of bit of money. You gave a little

877
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: bit of fame. Could be very famous, you could be

878
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: it's anonymous or anonymous, but they out here to just

879
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, make a name for themselves. Dudes is worse

880
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: than females these days. You gotta do. That's having sex

881
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: with girls and then going on podcasts to talk about it.

882
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like everybody got the game fucked up.

883
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: It's these youngsters. So I ain't outside like that. Like

884
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: they scared me, you know what I'm saying, And I

885
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: think I got out the game at the right time.

886
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: You feel me for me, I'll say that one of

887
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: my weak points was people pleasing. You know, when you

888
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: start thinking of other people's feelings, managing their feelings before you.

889
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: Even That's what got me to this place. People pleasing.

890
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: Given the fuck having survivors remorse or survivors guilt and

891
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: fuck that shit. Look, life is like this. We evolved,

892
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: We're born to evolve. You gotta realized. That's why they

893
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: show you the man evolution from primemate to caveman. Now,

894
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: even though I don't think that any of my incestors

895
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: with caveman. But that's another story. But basically, I feel

896
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: like if I'm in a place where I'm evolving creatively

897
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: or my integrity or my creative integrity, or just I'm

898
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: maturing at a certain pace, if my peers who are

899
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: really close to me aren't growing at that rapid pace

900
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: at the same time, I mean, it's quiet. There's nothing

901
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: I could do because I'm gonna have to really come

902
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: down to your level to really see you out of

903
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: eye at that point. And I'm not trying to step

904
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: on nobody and make it say I'm a big man

905
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: like that because of my success and you know, accolades Man.

906
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg told me this in twenty thirteen on the interview.

907
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: He told me, you're gonna have friends that's gonna stay

908
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: here and you're gonna go there, And the only way

909
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: for y'all to be friends, you gotta come back down here. Man.

910
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: Fuck that shit.

911
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that no more, how easy is it

912
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: to spring queen to let dead weight go?

913
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: Oh? I do you saw about my closets? Oh? You

914
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: mean literally? Oh yeah, Oh, I mean I spring cleaning

915
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: the winner and fall all that. But but I mean

916
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.

917
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: Like, you know, if I'm the smartest guy in my circle,

918
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I need a new circle.

919
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: You know, I never really fucked with that theory and concept. Really,

920
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: you know why I don't fuck with that? Why because

921
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: every circle need a leader. The leader has to be

922
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: smarter by default who you're gonna follow. That's kind of

923
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: like you planning that my head, key, low key, that's

924
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: not that's there's nothing wrong with that. Like Asam James

925
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: was a month younger than me, right, he was my leader,

926
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: he was my mentor, and were was the same fucking

927
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: age right now. Robert Gallaoto, Happy birthday to you. That's

928
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: my brother. Today's his birthday. Happy birthday, bropirthday. He is

929
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: my creative director and mentor. To this day. I got

930
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: mentors like my my lawyer, he's my big brother, my manager.

931
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: Then I got personal people who mentor me. I'm never

932
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: ever too old or too big or too cool to

933
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: learn or follow somebody else's lead because you can't know everything, man,

934
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, not how much pressure it is

935
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: being the leader. You know, I've been the leader of

936
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: a crew for over fifteen years. You think I wanted

937
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: that shit? I did my best for everybody to look

938
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: at us equally. Are you reluctant leader? Are you comfortable

939
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: with leading? If the shoe fit, I wear it. I

940
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: don't never want to be labeled as such. I do

941
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: what I do and if these motherfuckers follow suit, then

942
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: that mean they look as good as I look. All right, man, man,

943
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: and you gotta rock him.

944
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: Thank you man for coming on The Quest Loft Show,

945
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: and we will see you guys on the next go round.

946
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,919
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